1 I would... but I've got so many now.

What I do need is ammo. Need to get to a gun show post-haste.

Actually, need to buy a good reloader.

Any suggestions on a reasonably priced setup? I primarily need something that can handle .308, .223, .40 & .45.

2 Happiness is a warm gun, yeah yeah yeah yeah.

3 Would've bought my Sig P226 last night had the guy "wanting" to buy my camera equipment hadn't been stringing me along for a week now...

In any case, I've got a handful of AR-15 mags and pistol mags on the way.

4 Any news on the Ammo Tax front?  Last I heard Dirty Barry was in favor of a 500% increase in the taxes applied to ammo.

K

5

Buy as much guns and ammo as you can afford.  Ditto for reloading components for those who reload.  If the lefties have their way, there won't be a domestic gun industry at all. 

Dont forget to stockpile spare parts because they'll will be scarce.  They don't really cost much but they'll keep that assault weapon perking.  Don't forget high capacity magazines too because they are sure to be on The One's hit list.

 

6 7.62X39 ammo has been a rape job for the past 4 years, thanks to the Soviets restricting supply to well paying Arabs.  I sucked up and stocked up a while back.  But even shotgun shells and pistol ammo has shot up in the last year.  If this keeps up, I'll only have enough ammo for my grandkids.

7 Guns a-flyin off the shelves here in DFW, Texas. Been in the local news a few days.

8 Dont forget to stockpile spare parts because they'll will be scarce.

Lathe.  Grinder.  Stock steel.  I can make your wife a lifelike dildo with the above.

9

Krakatoa

 

Any reloader will handle multiple calibers. The die is simply changed out for each different caliber. I used to prefer the RCBS turrent press but the non turrent presses are cheaper.

10

Krakatoa

For a low cost simple foolproof reloading setup try the RCBS rock chucker reloading press.   It's a single stage press so it's not as fast as those mult-station machines but it is solid, reliable and last forever.

Just buy RCBS dies and shell holders for each caliber you intend to reload.  The Rock Chucker can reload most rifle and pistol cartridges.

Buy a reloading manual then stock up on reloading components, bullets, powder, brass and primers. 

Good luck. 

 

11

Go to gunbroker.com - prices are up a lot.

 

Ruger mini 14 used to go for about 500, now about 800

12 Maybe we should wonder why any legitimate industry (or fans of that industry) should feel afraid when someone gets elected.

Coal stocks are down like 20% since Obama is elected. Wonder why?

Gun stocks down as well. Wonder why?

13 Heh, I wonder what my pristine CAR-15 would go for?   If the prices are right, I'd unload it.

14 The good news is I have some stuff that is going to be worth a fortune, and I can afford to let go if necessary.

More than I can say for the rest of my investments.

Thanks for the tips... I'll put the RCBS on the list to check out.

15

I had a friend that had  one of these and he loved it also. Note all of the other accessories that come with the press. Those are NOT optional so you are better off buying it as a complete “kit”.

16 off to the Bass Pro shop this weekend.

17 I second the Rock Chucker.
I am pretty set on guns ammo and reloading supplies, but I did buy a 9mm that I need dies and etc for.
I have a crapload of 357 brass and bullets, that I do not have a gun for. I keep telling myself that I will pick up a Python some day.

18 The good news is I have some stuff that is going to be worth a fortune, and I can afford to let go if necessary.

Good point.  I may actually have too many guns.

Neh.

19 Anyone know of a reputable source for blueprints?  - Full blown (legal) production/component prints?

My interests are purely academic and/or for personal use only.

20

CAR-15s are going for between 750 and 2000 on  Gunbroker-dot-com.

21 Well here in NY basically any gun requires a waiting period, I was planning on getting my CCW permit when I turn 21 in March, but it might already be too late. I really hope that Obama just encourages stuff like BS gun buybacks and says that it should be a state level issue.

But I doubt that. Long live the 2nd amendment.

Obama's policies just encourage illegal guns... (not that there should ever be such a thing as an illegal firearm)

22 They'll not take them away.  That would require effort.  What they will do is make it where we can't purchase shells, parts, and new rifles.  Shotguns may sneak through for a while but they will eventually follow when the "O" corps shows success in the handgun/rifle category.
Maybe we can cobble together enough flint lock smooth bores in Lexington when they come for us.  But finding somebody with a horse and the required parade permit (not to mention burn permits for the lanterns) may be a stretch.

23

I didn't grow up around guns, but I took an NRA pistol class a couple of years ago.  Still don't own a pistol though.  Where do I start?  I'd be looking to shoot for food and home security.

I wonder how many had been lulled to sleep about gun skills like my own family. 

24

I'm the proud new owner of a S&W .38 Spl Airweight. 

Been looking for a new pistol for concealed carry, my .45 is just too bulky for most days and I finally pulled the trigger.  So to speak.

I've been buying ammo for the past year or so.  You can never have too much ammo.

25 I have an AK, no one is taking from me.

26 I thought the whole idea was that we, as citizens, possess the power to resist our government...by force if necessary.  I agree that machine guns don't make sense in New York, NY, but any movement on this front is a slippery slope I think.  Better to allow it and regulate its use (duh) than to ID certain items that are just too risky for dumb civilians.  On that last part - when the revolution comes I'll snag a Mk-19 from the armory and wash my Mazda in the blood of my enemies.  Full auto grenade launcher = zoom zoom.

I understand the reason why they say semi-auto rifles are dangerous, but it doesn't change that making the people weaker to resist the government by force opens up a can of worms.  If we let this happen there will come a time when we are powerless to resist our government.  Well...powerless if you don't count the pipebombs and such that would surely come from such a time...but still pretty powerless.  Have any of these people ever actually fired a weapon?  It is like saying butt sex is awful when you've never even given it a chance...snobs.

27 Let the newspeak begin.

Guns? Oh, they'll be permitted. It's those "people-killers" that will be banned.

Shoot the weapon? Sure, as long as it is a static target on range. In defense of your household? Verboten.

Just watch the language in the legislation evolve. See how it's done.

28

DPR

I have a Colt Model 1991A1 (compact model) which is very carry-able. It weighs in at just over 2 pounds with a full clip.

29

Dude, I told you two weeks ago that when I went in to buy my new Springfield XD 40, that it was 1415 in the afternoon, after lunch, but not the end of the workday, and the shop was jam packed.

Even after I had selected the gun, passed the background check, and had ammo in hand, it still took almost 15 minutes for a register to clear so they could ring me up. I asked the sales guy if they're always so busy and he said "Yeah. Lately we are. Everyone is worried about the election."

Just now, coming back into the office for a few hours, I rode up on the elevator with a co-worker who asked if I have protection when I leave so late at night. Then, he told me that he's going out this weekend to buy two more guns. "The election" he said.

30 People laugh at it, but I'm very fond of the diminutive Walther .32 PP as a carry gun.  I can draw and put three in a pie plate sized target at 25' in about 2.5sec with that little peashooter.  I figure three .32's in the chest will catch most people's attention.

The pre-WWII Walthers were works of art, the wartime ones not so much.  The 3rd party manufactured wartime ones ranged from OK workmanship (Mauser) to crude (Spreeworks).  Post-war French made Manhurin's are OK. 

For a cheap pistol that goes bang reliably, the Russian Makarov isn't too bad.  Trigger pull is harsh and stiff, but they work and are cheap.  Mine was about $150 new some years ago.

31 Got myself a Mini-14 the other day.  The father-in-law picked up a 10/22 for less than $300 out the door.  Wow.  We're going back for more.

32 _{Posted by: DPR VIII at November 07, 2008 08:51 PM (4XUD3)}
I am sure I have some 38 in my mess of 357 I have. If you want some or want me to load some for you....That can be arranged.

33 Still don't own a pistol though.  Where do I start?  I'd be looking to shoot for food and home security.

You sure as hell don't start with a pistol.  It's basically worthless for food procurement.  Get a Remington 870 Wingmaster 12 gauge shotgun.  Good hunting weapon, blows the shit out of bad guys at short range (Actually greater range than a pistol), easy to use, and comes in designer colors.  Handguns are the LAST weapon you buy when filling you arsenal, not the first.

34 I would like to trade my Unicorn( as soon as it gets here) for an AR 15. Any takers?

35 It's basically worthless for food procurement.

I'm pretty sure most leftist yuppies would give up their sack full of groceries in a heartbeat if you shove a gun up their nose ;->

36 I have good things about the Markarov too PA.
My office carry gun is a Kahr PM9
My normal carry gun is the Kimber Ultra Carry.

37 I'm OK on the handguns, shotguns and deer rifles, but I need to get something in a nice lightweight assault weapon.

38 and comes in designer colors

I just can't keep up with these fashion trends. Is Mossy Oak or Realtree the hot color for the 2009 Spring Collection?

39 Time to call it a night folks. Keep the skeer on 'em.

40 and comes in designer colors

I just can't keep up with these fashion trends. Is Mossy Oak or Realtree the hot color for the 2009 Spring Collection?

Posted by: Andy at November 07, 2008 09:24 PM (B+HYX)

That is so gauche.  Think stripes.

41 Any recommendations for shotguns? How much do best bang-for-buck versions cost?

And I'd really rather have a tactical version, 'cause they look cool. Bad idea?

42

Below is a personal email between myself and my brother. This is personal, but it might be relvant to the Fricking Socialist that was just elected and a creeping ban on guns.

The email may be confusing at first, becasue it copied from and ongoing electronic conversation.

And the Brown shirts might be knocking soon....

Begin..........

"Wow, very interesting, I can see you pretty driven by this subject.
My response:

First I recognized the propaganda, although I did not know the origin.
However I forwarded it almost 100% percent because of this line:

7. "The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady
commented on his wearing his sidearm. 'Sheriff, I see you have your
pistol. Are you expecting trouble?' 'No Ma'am. If I were expecting
trouble, I would have brought my rifle."'

Thought that was great!

I also replied to the originator of the email: "Bullsh*t, most
Australians kept their guns for home defense". (my opinion)


No, I'm not a member of the NRA, never really gave the organization much
thought and the only gun I had for 20 years was a single shot 4/10 Rob
gave me. I inherited a few others from Bunny's dad but have never looked
at them since bringing them to the house. We live in a semi rural area
and have a 170 pound wolfhound. So I sleep sound every night.(because of
the dog) And always considered the 4/10 more than adequate for any
thing.
I don't hunt, at least until I can hit something with my re curve and
that might take years more practice. Ha.

I agree and disagree with you. Those officers should be given a raise.
One for the crappy pay they get and two perhaps combat pay. And those
Animals committing the crimes, well bring back the frying chair. We put
down savage pit bulls or rogue bears with out blinking an eye. Animals
are animals. Fk them.

However on the subject of gun control, I probably sit, far, far to the
right of the NRA.
Guns are only tools or toys and I see no reason to or constitutional
right to restrict them. Hey, but Bunny tells me I'm f8cked up all the
time.

Down here in Florida, the state gives out concealed carry permits, like
chicklets and has extended the law, that you can shoot people in defense
of your property, outside of your house. (used to be you had to be in
your house to shoot) And guess what, this is only a surprise to liberal
pussies, the crime rate has plummeted. And shooting by honest citizens
has not jumped dramatically. This in a state flooded by immigrants with unvetted history, and Florida has it's share of goofball rednecks.

Also my philosophy, comes not from the worry of the rednecks, drunk or
sober, or the immigrants with possible criminal intent, but from the
Government that might wish to come in and take your M1, because it's a
bad weapon and only evil people would own that. Or for example the D.C.
gun ban in a city with the worst crime in the nation. WTF?

Recently I read the history of gun bans in Great Britain, the creeping
manner in which they did it and the 2000% rise in strong armed robbery
AFTER the ban went into effect in 1964. Pretty troubling scenario, and
the story might have been b.s. or propagandized. But still troubling.

The pattern begins with minute restrictions that no one minds and then
creeps up. This also happens to be the argument that prevents the state
of Florida from implementing an income tax upon it's citizens.

Sounds like your not that far from Rob's viewpoint, only sober.
You wrote:
"Sadly this is the world we live in and until it changes, I keep a M1
carbine and a 410 single shot by my bed.  My hope is that if I ever have
a need for the use of one, the shotgun will be enough to scare them
away, if I have to shoot, the 410 will not penetrate the walls and hit
my kids, the carbine is to finish the job cause I refuse to be sued by a
wounded scumbag. I would attend his funeral".

I think you know the world will not change. It is as it is and as it
always been".
unquote.

43 My money is tight right now but I think I'm covered. I already have an AK-47 that was purchased under the Assault Weapons Ban, 2 handguns and 9mm carbine.

I bet they tax the hell out of ammo.

44 Any recommendations for shotguns? How much do best bang-for-buck versions cost?

And I'd really rather have a tactical version, 'cause they look cool. Bad idea?

Posted by: adamthemad at November 07, 2008 09:28 PM (aVVGO)

Rem. 870 wingmaster pump.  Stock.  No Rambo delusions, because while a laser sight is really cool, it scares the rabbits.  Point and pull, then eat or shovel, depending. 

45 Ooh. Thanks for pointing out that the gun grab has been formalized on that website. Gonna have comb through that site to see how fucked we truly are.

I was gonna wait since, there's time until inauguration, but the prices are going up on everything right now it looks like. Time for a shopping trip.

46 Besides a good sturdy pump 12 ga. (did I meniton the always reliable 870 Wingmaster yet?( and I'm not a salesman)), every American should be issued a .22 rifle at birth.  Greatest food producer on earth.  Cheap guns, cheap ammo, and you can stack up more meat in an average afternoon than you can in 2 weeks on a deer stand.  Squirrels, rabbits, pheasants that sit still, the neighbor's cat, hobos urban outdoorsmen, all are susceptible to the charms of the .22 Long Rifle.

47

welcome to the resitance ...

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

48

A sincere thank you to Herr Morgenholz and all your others here for the info in this thread.

49 Have any of these people ever actually fired a weapon?  It is like saying butt sex is awful when you've never even given it a chance...snobs.
ROFLMAO and crying!! And the hubby just spotted. Shit funny!

50

Don't mean to be rude.  I stocked up for Y2k.   5000 rounds for my ar 15, Russian rounds, will get me through most shit, but I think I'll be back to the sto.

I don't want to listing my inventory, the MAN might be reading our blog, but I have a good gun store.

Guys, GOP or DEM  makes no difference, stock up.  Guns are not a bad investment. Guns hold there value. WHY?? 

Da Huh, cause new folks, like you all, want them.

Kemp

 

51 Have any of these people ever actually fired a weapon?  It is like saying butt sex is awful when you've never even given it a chance...snobs.
ROFLMAO and crying!! And the hubby just spotted. Shit funny!

Posted by: CInAz at November 07, 2008 09:44 PM (qIOmI)

Your husband's laughter was more evil than you're letting on, wasn't it?

52 Just give me a 12 gauge and a hacksaw. And keep the hell off of my lawn.

53 Indeed, Herr Morgenholz, Indeed.

54

#49.

And just like with butt sex.......you gotta pull the trigger real slow and gentle. Or you might fuck up the target/spoil the meat.

55 I just got a .40 Beretta PX4 storm. I thought it would be smart to get it NOW. I'm trying to get my dad to buy a shotgun before Jan 20. I don't know if I can afford another one right now and CA has a 30 day wait period to boot.

Going to go pick up some more ammo next week if I get a chance. Anyone know where I can get it in bulk a little cheaper? Hollowpoints are bloody frackin' expensive. And I won't buy ammo in LA County.

56

Mr. Pissed is fully armed and loaded but, thinks we need a MILITARY COUP ! 

 

57 He's gotta get those guns out of our hands so that there is no possibility of rebellion from dissent.  If he happens to let a few dissenters through the cracks, his illuminati police brigade better not run into any firefights when arresting you for... ohh wait.. absolutely nothing!

58 Yes, like AdamtheMad I'd appreciate some advice on a shotgun for a first-time buyer. Can you get anything decent for under $300? I've looked online for some ideas but would rather give my business to a local gun store.

59 Dateline: Washington State
November 7, 2008

A week before the election, I bought a 9mm rifle for $155. On Sunday the exact same rifle was $255. Today, I went to buy ammo for said rifle and the clerk said that when the store opened at 10am, there were FIFTY (50) people waiting outside the door to by the 9mm ammo and they purchased almost all of the ammo in stock. I got there at 11:30 am and bought one of the last 4 cases. I was also told that ALL of the 9mm rifles for sale were now gone. The fear is palpable.

God Bless America because we sure need it. 

60 Don't miss the largest gun show in the world this weekend.  Ten acres of guns and ammo under one roof!

61 You want to address gun violence in the cities increase the frikkin' penalties for firearms use in the commission of a crime. Especially since criminals aren't going to respect your frikkin' ban and will buy their illegal guns at the same time they buy their illegal drugs. Stop blaming the object, and start blaming the people who misuse them.

62 I'd be a first time buyer as well.  I don't own any guns. so if I went and bought a shotgun I'm not sure what I'd do with it.  I live in the city so not much hunting except squirrels.  Which I think is frowned upon in city parks.

I may go over to a local range and take a pistol training class or something.

63 When they come for your guns.....give'em the bullets first.

64 Bought three stripped receivers the other day.  I guess I need to buy a truckload of magazines then.

The local gun show won't be until Dec 13th.  I wonder what the prices will be like then?

65 I remember when Bush 41 dropped that import ban on us after that assmunch shot up that school in california. The day the shooting happened I ran to the store because I just knew shit was gonna get ugly. I threw a deposit down on a gun, and came back 2 days later to get it and the frigging place was cleaned out of every assualt weapon they had, I mean bare, and it was a huge store with all the cool civilian versions of stuff. I'm talking H&K, FN, AR15's out the ass, AK's , UZI, you name it they had it. They had shitloads.

Gone....I mean fucking wiped out, picked clean. I walked in there and it looked like the dudes working their were gang raped, and the racks were empty.  They looked like zombies, leaning on the counters with their heads in the hands and just staring off in space. I said man wtf happened here? The guy says, and I'll never forget it, he says " There were lines out the door all day. I even had an old granny come in and say give me 2 of whatever you got left, they bought everything...everything....""

All the elmer fudd guns were left, but that was it. I can't imagine what the scramble now must be like.

66 A firearm purchased Nov 3 added 20% to its price Nov 5. As I said in another post, firearms never depreciate.

67 Herr Morgenholz, you couldn't be more right about the lowly .22 rifle.

And I've got 2 870's - a Special Field and a regular one. They just work. Period.

68 yeah, time to buy that .40 carry pistol I have been lusting after. And maybe that Remington Bushmaster I have been thinking about for awhile.

Better that I go down to Cabela's and pick up some more reloading gear. At the very least, I can resell ammo to guys not wanting to pay the 500% ammo tax I see in our future.

69 I can't find 30 round AR15 PMAGS for shit anywhere.  I backordered a bunch from someone reliable and I'm just going to leave them in the plastic when I get them.  I've got about 10,000 rounds of ammo in various calibers (which isn't that unusual when you shoot a lot of different guns), but I've noticed I've gotten more hesitant to practice with my rifles since I worry about losing access to 5.56 and 7.62x39 first.

On a whim I looked at buying a Saiga-12 today since I figured they were dead at the first hint of a new AWB, and I'll be damned if a decent conversion isn't about $2K now.

Good luck getting a stripped AR lower for under $200 if you can even find one.  I bought a few when I started to see the writing on the wall this spring and they reside in bubble wrap hidden in a safe.  I should probably grab a few parts kits but I'm kinda afraid to see what they're going for.

If you want a decent shotgun for home defense that's cheap, its tough to go wrong with a Mossberg 500.  I got one for $229 at Big 5 just a month ago.  There's tons of after market parts for them too.

70 Mossberg 590A1 Persuader 12 guage pump shot gun.  Holds 8 rounds plus 1 in the pipe for under 300 bucks.  It works like a champ.

71

Hey, "The One" is from Chicago, they got guns, just off the books, call one of the "boys" they'll hook you up. 

Or buy your own ASAP!  Ammo,  guns without ammo, they make good hammers.  AMMO!!

Ammo does not go bad. I have ammo from WW2, it still fires!!

72 I better load up on extra ammo.

73 I hope the NRA is strong enough to stave off the gun stupidity of The One and the Dems in Congress. This is ridiculous. Does this mean there weren't enough gun owners and gun rights supporters to keep Bambi out of office?

74 Obama will probably require some sort of license to buy ammo (and fixings for ammos) and limit sales to a dozen or two per year per license.  He won't take anyone's gun away, he'll just make it hard to use for anything but a paper weight. 

Which is another way of saying, the black market in bullets could be lucrative in a couple months.  Maybe not enough to restore your 401k, until Obamanomics takes that away too.  

75 I went out and bought an AK the day after he made his acceptance speech. I knew what the line 'keeping AK47s out of the hands of criminals' meant. It meant he's going to keep them out of the hands of law abiding citizens.

76 Yeah loading up on ammo is the best idea, and mags if your gun needs them.  Kempermanx is totally right about it never going bad.  I shoot 50 year old ammo through my garand all the time and its perfect.

77

My questions to all the morons are 1. How far is too far with regard to what Constitutional rights we will tolerate being infringed and 2. What are we going to do about it?

We all know that the Second Amendment exists so that we, the people, are the last check in the check and balances. WE are the militia they talk about. That being said, how would the militia organize? Certainly a spontaneous uprising looks great in movies. But really, if the federal government decides to ban assault rifles, the equivilant of the musket of 1776 and thus the weapon of the militia, what do we do? How do we do it?  

78 Anyone who's looking for an inexpensive reloading kit, check out the Lee Anniversary kits. Not up to RCBS quality, but half the price. Wouldn't use it for super-precision benchrest ammo, but it's good enough to do general plinking ammo and SHTF ammo. Before the election, I was thinking of getting a Rock Chucker to replace my Lee, but I'm going with mags, ammo, another pistol, and spare parts before Jan.

Start looking at AK kits and 80% AR-15 receivers as well. You can legally build them off the books in most jurisdictions, as long as you mark them correctly (serial #, your maker's mark and location), but you can never sell them or transfer to another party legally, strictly for your own use only. Lots of info on DIY gunsmithing online.

79 My questions to all the morons are 1. How far is too far with regard to what Constitutional rights we will tolerate being infringed and 2. What are we going to do about it?

Good questions, and we should all be thinking about what our answers are going to be.

But I'm paranoid enough not to answer them in a public forum. Opsec, people.

80 Already got all the weapons I need, and I;m right here where I've always been,20 rounds up the driveway.

81 How effective is a people's militia going to be against a civilian national security force that's "just as powerful, just as well funded as the military"?

82

Ok, for the several people that have asked for advice.

Pistols ... good.  Rifles and shotguns better.  Under 25 yards, up to about 40 shotgun is primo.  Beyond 40 yards a rifle is better.

Really neat, butt ugly rifle is Hi-Point 9mm or 40 caliber.  9mm ammo is cheap compared to everything else, and you can use it in the most common hand gun in the world for military and police use.  The Hi point is ugly, but it is a tack driver at 50 to 100 yards, and being a rifle, the 9mm round has more velocity than out of a pistol (longer barrel lets the powder do all of it's job instead of burning after it leaves the short barrel of a pistol) www.hi-pointfirearms.com  And it's cheap as heck.  Around $250 with neato options.

For an inexpensive shotgun that is badass looking, I like the Mossberg.  For the $300 range, you can get it with a 4 position stock, and it even shoots skeet pretty good.  Have not tried it with slugs, but that's supposed to be a great installer of holes in solid objects.

For good pistols, I recommend the XD45 by springfield for a less expensive gun.  I love my Kimber 1911's that shoot ACP45, but at roughly a thousand, they are pricier than the XC at about 5 to 6 hundred.  And the XD has 12 or 13 in the clip instead of 7 or 8 for the 1911's.

And for just carry around all day, I like the North american arms small revolvers.  Less than a pound, and less than the size of your hand, you can have 5 shots of 22mag, which is the same bullet weight as 22lr, but almost twice the velocity.  Probably won't stop the guy on pcp, but no one wants to get shot with one either.  Black widow is neat and has a grip on it that is minimal but adequate.  Most of their other models have a grip too small for me to grab and hold properly. 

And then if it's ever needed, I really like my M1Carbine, AR15, and my 308 light tactical rifle with the great scope.

Buy more ammo and clips.  That is the first thing that they will try and limit and or grab.

Oh, and by the way.  If they come for my guns, it's too late.  I sold them all to a homeless guy last week down at the corner.  No law against that, and no, I didn't get his name or a receipt.

83 Arming up and stockpiling ammo isn't enough - you need to start organizing locally. Know who your friends are in your neighborhood (note the McCain/Palin signs and take a plate of rum balls over and introduce yourself). One of the rules of gunfighting is bring lots of friends with guns. Go to or organize local shooting events (trap, skeet, appleseed, etc.). If you don't have a gun and don't read this thread and go buy something randomly. Go to a range and fire a selection, talk to a professional, and get the right gun. Get trained and be safe. The purchasing order is shotgun (~ $300), then rifle (~ $350), then semi-automatic rifle (~ $800-$2000), then handgun (~ $450). If you don't have the commitment to fire the handgun monthly, then skip it. Do consider the cost and availability of ammunition, if ammunition taxes are levied I expect there to be a shake out in the production of the less common calibers.

84 Wow, Mephitis, my Kimber Ultra Carry II was only about 600 bucks. The one I used to have before I sold it to the little old lady down the street who passed away with no heirs, her estate being auctioned off to the government and all.

85 I did use the return key - that rant only looks like I'm crazy.

86 Mephitis, I have cowboy set of lever gun and revolver in .357 that does same thing.

87 I'm am proud owner of a new 9mm CK 75B and started stocking up on ammo today.

Went to Wal-Mart and picked up 4 boxes and when I was in the checkout line, a guy was waiting to be helped and said to me, 'I guess you didn't vote for Obama'. He knew exactly what I was doing because he was doing the same. The fear and preparation out there is palpable.

88 Just curious, does anyone have any knowledge of the Hungarian AMD 65 conversion kits? I've been thinking of toying around with it when I have free time; this thread reminds me that there is now a limit on when working on this in my free time is no longer possible.

89 It's okay, Jean, you don't have to be crazy to post here but, well, actually, yes you do.

Where are the trolls on this thread, anyway? I'm down for some creative editing.

Or does the subject of guns just scare them?

90 @ 77

You refuse.  When comprehensive immigration reform was being shoved down our throats America collectively gagged and our intellectual betters were forced to change the agenda.  With any luck, that open defiance will be enough.  Personally, I'm a damn patriot and taking my ability to defend myself away is tantamount to robbing me of my liberty.  That is unacceptable and if we can articulate that and make that connection clear I think no majority in DC would have the weight to take the guns away from us.  It isn't about "reasonable measures enforced locally" it is about the slippery slope of regulating the law-abiding citizen into a state of defenselessness against the criminal (and of course the state.)  We need to get off our soapboxes as conservatives and explain this shit to people though.  We get it - most people don't.  I think we take it for granted sometimes that some people don't naturally arrive at our conclusions. 

We are the voice - talk to the people you know and be the face of conservatism.  I really don't think the government has a chance of taking away that right if we can explain to people why it matters so much.

91 87 Four boxes!!, you need to be thing lots of 5K.

92 Vinnie, they cant understand the terminology and run away. Have you ever seen women expose men posing as women online by talking about stuff in the bathroom closest we know nothing about -- same principle, plus its a big party night for the leftys. My LEO friends all have DUI checkpoints ready for them tonight.

93 In 91 thing --> thinking

94 "I guess you didn't vote for Obama."  That is rich. 

If only I could set up some claymores in the yard I would need so much .223.

95 91:

Jean, agree totally. I'm a noob and I'm just starting the stockpiling process. But I better hurry up. I suspect the Obammunist will try to cram as much Marxism down our throat as he can through executive order. Deep down, I really think he thinks has a damn dictator.

96 That's pretty much what I figured, Jean. Still, I was hoping for at least one to show up, like they did on a post I did on Jawa a couple of days ago, to reassure us that OBarry really doesn't want to take away our guns.

97 87: Sorry. My new weapon is a CZ 75B.

98 95 The economies of scale when buying bulk ammo are significant. You will go broke buying it in boxes at Walmart.

99 Actually, Obambi doesn't scare me as much as the other leftys around him. He doesn't have the experience to get anything done. I expect the locus of power in Washington swing firmly down Pennsylvania Ave to Reid/Pelosi and friends. I actually think that was one of the reasons why the "superdelegates" flocked to Obama - it enhanced there status. (That an all of that untraceable, foreign campaign cash.)

100 Damn, grammar and spelling are shot tonight, in 99 there -> their.

101 Milesdei at November 07, 2008 11:15 PM (ACHxk)

81  How effective is a people's militia going to be against a civilian national security force that's "just as powerful, just as well funded as the military"?

To quote Crocodile Dundee- "Better than average"...

Most will be 19-25 yr olds with "majors" like Education, Sociology, and English Lit.

102 @99
I agree that his lack of experience will tilt power to Reid/Pelosi, but don't overlook the man's ego.  The last 2 years have been a monument to Obama's hubris and I suspect that his new power will go right to his head.  Standby for overcompensation.

103 @101
I don't look forward to that fight, but I will relish it all the same.

104 I hate to say this, but Inouye taking over Senate Appropriations may be what saves the country. There is no way he's buying into the bullshit, upon the rock of the Senate appropriations committee will be where the Civilian National Security Force and Millennium Fund crap dies.

105 For the first time in my life, I looked into applying for a firearms permit...


...I never felt like i needed a gun until now.

106 Arming up and stockpiling ammo isn't enough - you need to start organizing locally. Know who your friends are in your neighborhood

Along the same lines, using the Intarwebs to communicate is great, but we've developed some kickass snooping algorithms to support the GWOT.

Not to go all tinfoil hat here, but I can see banning encryption software being right up there with the fairness doctrine and 2nd amendment encroachments on the left's agenda. Think I'll go get a copy of PGP while I can.

107 Andy, If you think those "snooping algorithms" are going to be slowed down by PGP - you need some more tinfoil. The bad guys routinely use encryption and stenography to hide messages in child porn, are you going to do something stronger - if so, there will be a very small community of people to talk to.

108 Andy @ 106, fear not.  There are a number of hard-to-crack cryptosystems that are fairly easy to implement for anyone with a programming background.  We'll make our own.

109 Vic at 28 - I have an HK USP compact .45 as well as two other 1911's - a Kimber TLE  and a Colt Commander.  That is, I had them until I sold them earlier today,  to some guy down the street who was moving out of his house.  Ahhnnnyways, the S&W weighs about 18 oz (loaded) with a shrouded hammer for easy carry, and .38 spl+P rounds loaded with wadcutters are more than adequate to nuetralize a threat until you can clear the fuck out.  If I need more than 5 rounds, I'm either an idiot who blundered into a real bad spot or my tacticts suck.

110 Steganography is just a way of hiding encrypted data in something innocuous.  It's clever, but it's not really that hard to code.

111 my tactics suck.  Jeez.  Like my spelling.

112 32 _{Posted by: DPR VIII at November 07, 2008 08:51 PM (4XUD3)}
I am sure I have some 38 in my mess of 357 I have. If you want some or want me to load some for you....That can be arranged.
 

Posted by: Vmaximus at November 07, 2008 09:12 PM (zWV8s)

 

We should talk, Vmaximus.

113 Leon, its not the coding or even the strength of the algorithm, its the system of key management, trusted relationships, and distribution that are the Achilles Heel of a distributed, secure system. We just have to remember that online is not private, it is the town square. If you would not say it in public, then don't say it online.

114 DPR VIII, glad you came to the same conclusion I did that the Kimber TLE and H&K USP, while fine firearms, aren't worthy of owning. After selling mine in an anonymous gun buyback, I'm going to just depend on my government issued unicorn to defend me. That horn's so sharp and spiraly.

And thanks for the crypto comments, guys. Just tryin' to get a step ahead of Obamarx.

115 Did you already get your unicorn Andy?  Shit, I was told to hope for a change in the backorder status of mine.

116 On the bright side of that cryptography, you can always create a "sub-internet" I suppose.  Tunnel all traffic.  Point to point trunks and whatnot.  That would be worst case shit though.  Short of ISPs screening and blocking ISAKMP we would be able to piggyback off of their net and make our own free net on its back.  Moral?  Where there's a will there's a way.

117 There's always carrier pidgeons, too.

118 Cans with strings.  Fuck it...who do I need to talk to?

119 I am one of those people that went out Monday to get in compliance with the 2nd amendment. Gander Mountain was very busy. I never told the salesman exactly why I was buying (if Bambi won, no more guns, if McCain won, get the hell off my lawn and drop my damn tv), but they figured it out and joked with me about it. Virginia has a nice instant check, I was walking out with my new Taurus PT111 an hour later. Ammo display looked a little thin.
Funny thing about all of this was that I was talking to my sister this morning and told her about my purchase. I of course told her not to tell the Mrs (Mrs is very conservative, but has told me we don't need a gun the house, I have chosen to disagree in silence) that I made the purchase. After she stopped laughing, she told me SHE had armed up a couple of months ago and invited me to lunch at the range. This is my sister that I thought was a little squishy on conservatism. When I asked her why, she said it was her constitutional right. I tear up just thinking about that.

120 "Nothing concentrates the mind so wonderfully at the prospect of being hung in the morning" - Ben Franklin

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves in all cases to which they think themselves competent..., or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press." --Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." --Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787.

121 If you want to do something then join the NRA. Remember, the NRA pursued the Washington DC ban that resulted in the Heller decision that established the 2nd Amend. as an individual right. Could you image where we would be WITHOUT Heller now?

If you live in a state that allows concealed carry, apply for it even if you never plan on carrying. If you live in Illinois or other states that require it, apply for a Firearm Owners Identification Card FOID.

The more people that start exercising their 2nd amendment rights, the more the politicians will notice. OF COURSE Obama and Emanuel want to restrict all they can, BUT, if they can see it will be resisted VERY strongly, they will think twice about approaching it.

122 Also go to the NRA News and listen to the daily talk show with Cam Edwards called Cam and Company. The show is on live 9pm-12am eastern streamed over the internet (no podcast yet). If you go at other hours you can see and hear the last show. The show is also on Sirius Satelite Patriot Channel. You probably think a 3 hour show about just guns won't be interesting, but believe me, it is. Try it.
 

123 F-cking sockpuppet

124 Hey Steelers fan @ 101, my undergrad is in Lit and grad in early childhood ed, and I'm totally pro gun rights, am teaching my kindergarten boy about responsible gun use and am trying to break into hunting.

We're not all a bunch of idiots, ok? Seriously, you might want to look at people a bit deeper than that--I just found out someone in a class of mine is as conservative as I am--and probably more. For a conservative in an education setting all day every day, that's a godsend.

I get your stereotype, just sayin', it's not always 100%.

125 Lets not forget about..
JPFO
GOA
Knox Report
Gunvoter.org

More than just NRA out there guys and gals..

126 Glad to here it, fireweed.  I grew up with guns around me, and somehow never managed to shoot anyone accidently or on purpose.  Everyone should at least shoot a few times so they know what it's all about.

However, I took a "preparing future faculty" course when I was a grad student, and the constant stream of progressive crap I had to endure annoyed me no end.  I spoke up often, which probably earned me the enmity of some and the admiration of others.

127 cranky, i totally hear you. it is annoying as all get out. we had a few sort of radical professors, but never the crap games they play nowadays (that I hear about in the news). but then again, it's totally red up here. i guess they know they're way outnumbered.

128 Vlad, #121, thanks for the suggestions. 

I got my FOID over the summer, have taken a couple of women-only shooting classes, and when my son the former Marine comes to visit later this month I'm taking him with me to a gun shop in Lincolnwood to help me pick something out.

During the women's classes the shotgun we used was a Remington 1100 (youth model), 20 gauge, but my son says 12 gauge is better. 

Those of you who are familiar with guns, please go easy on the rest of us.  Lots of us grew up urban/suburban and never knew anyone who hunted or did target shooting.  We weren't anti-gun, just non-gun -- there's a difference.  But we have to make up for a lot of lost time in a hurry. 

129 For references purposes:

Don't forget your state gun rights organizations!  For CT it's Coalition of CT Sportsmen, for MA Gun Owners Action League, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, etc.

130 Steeler fan----- I don't think you will find many "19-25 yr olds with "majors" like Education, Sociology, and English Lit in the hood.

131 I hope everyone spares a couple bucks to get Gadsden flags so we can tell each other apart when the Schumer hits the fan...

132 FYI Mossberg also makes an 8-shot 500 Cruiser, 20" w/ pistol grip. Lighter on the wallet than the 590. A Knoxx Breacher's Grip makes it nice on the wrists.
http://www.knoxx.com/index2.html

133 DPR VIII
Rick*750*at*yahoo.com
no stars no spaces etc

134 I didn't read all of the comments, but in case no one said this, 'assault rifles' are NOT the same as your Dad's 30.06.  While I don't agree with the ban and will fight it in whatever way I can, 'assault rifles' would be almost useless in a hunter's hands.  The barrel's too damned short.

On the other hand, you can splat a silver dollar from 500 feet with a 30.06 if you have a mind to do so.

135

Kevin, I agree with what you're saying about most assault rifles being almost useless for hunting, but that was never the purpose of the Second Amendment. Be careful when people say to you that you don't "NEED" a fill-in-the-blank-weapon. The intent of the Second Amendment is to make it so the people can rise up and overthrow the government. This is our right as citizens if our leaders violate our rights, given to us by G-d or whatever you call your creator.

136 Nah, you got more time than three months, it will take congress at least another month to pass legislation effectively making it impossible to buy the guns you want, and probably a year before gun businesses leave the country and you can only get guns from special dealers in Antarctica.

137 I did my patriotic duty and went out to my range this morning and practiced with the Colt Trooper. I got about 15 boxes left of somebody's hot loaded 38Spc that is great for practice.

138 "Nothing concentrates the mind so wonderfully at the prospect of being hung in the morning" - Ben Franklin

Nothing reinforces the need for marksmanship skills like a thorough understanding of the bayonet.

Can't remember who said that or where I heard it...

AMD65 kits are basically just AKs with fairly short barrels and a sidefolding stock. Probably not recommended, since the barrel is short enough to be an SBR (short-barreled rifle) under Federal law. You can still build it in some states, but only if you register it properly. The other thing with the AMD kits is that ATF mandated that the barrel be cut during the demill process before importation. Barrels cannot be imported anymore. Hard to find with a complete barrel, unless it was imported before the barrel ban. Barrels can be manufactured in the US or a raw pre-ban import barrel can be used, but it radically complicates the build process.

139 I live in Jersey - they already have an AWB.  Sigh.

140

http://tiny.cc/sAPtV

 

If you need training(and most of you do, admit it) check out the Appleseed Project and become an American rifleman.

I don't know why anyone would think an assault rifle wouldn't be an acceptable hunting rifle. I use mine for hunting all the time. Remember, if it will kill a man it will kill a deer.

I have trained people in the use of firearms for more than twenty years and I can't stress enough how important training is for the first time gunowner.

You should own a good rifle in the current military caliber, 5.56mm/.223 caliber. You can purchase a bolt action rifle in that caliber if you can't find a semi-auto. I also recommend having a rifle in 7.62mm/.308win caliber either bolt action or semi-auto because this caliber is also used by the military. In times of trouble these will be easier to obtain than many others.

You should own at least two handguns, a .22 for low cost training and an effective centerfire caliber for self defense. I prefer the .45auto and I have trained 12 year old girls to use it effectively, so don't let anyone tell you it is hard to shoot. A .357 revolver is another good choice and it can also fire .38 special too. A .40 caliber is another good choice in a semi-auto pistol. If you're a beginner I would recommend that you stay away from the large magnums and small short barreled pistols and revolvers. The magnums are experts weapons and are better suited to hunting. Short barrel weapons are also experts weapons and are difficult for beginners to shoot well. Stick with barrel lengths of 4 inches and leave the snubnose belly guns to those who have been shooting for years.

A good quaility 12 gauge shotgun is a must for both hunting and close range defense. I also recommend the Knoxx compstocks for your shotgun. They are very good at taming the shotgun's heavy recoil; my sister-in-law can shoot my Remmington 870 riotgun equipped with the Knoxx Spec-op stock and loaded with 3 inch magnum buckshot without any discomfort at all. Knoxx stocks are worth every penny; get one.

Finally a good .22 rimfire rifle "fer squirrels an' such" and cheap practice.

 

 

141 http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html

I posted this elsewhere on this site today, but you folks who are so concerned here have every right to be.  I don't see this as paranoia, but rational thinking.

The above link is to Ali Sina's article on pathologic narcissism and leaders of nations who had (and have) it.  It is mental derangement and it fits our Messiah to a "T".  It explains all O's behavior. Ali Sina is an ex-muslim and Iranian, very familiar w/ Khomeni. 

Regardless of what you may think of Sina, this is a very cogent discussion of how this mental sickness operates in political leaders.

It is chilling.  Going for ammo now...

142 DPR VIII, Hitler banned carrier pigeons.  Read that on a site discussing Kristalnacht.

143 Man, this thread is STILL going. You peeps rock.

144 I just heard something about a "possible" credit card bailout, which of course is code for "pending" credit card bailout.  Buying guns and ammo on credit is looking better and better by the day.

145

Hiya, my great american friends...Despite Im portuguese , I love your country and I if (I wish...God only knows how much) was there I would be a Republican since I'm already a conservative in my own country *sighs* (we have a socialist government so you can imagine my ordeal)...By all means I'm not an expert like you but here's a sugestion in "Surviving Obama Special Gear":

handgun : Desert Eagle 50 AE with HUGE AMOUNT of AMMO

shotgun : SPAS-12 Autoloader with HUGE AMOUNT OF SHELLS

assault rifle : M-4 in any SOP-MOD config or just plain simple- yeah, thats it..you guessed..with HUGE AMOUNT OF ROUNDS

and lets throw in a couple of two dozen grenades and Claymores...

HUGE HUGS to all...hope these tmes of trouble end soon!!!

146 Fuckin' Hitler.  I guess we'll have to go with blankminde's fancy intertubes thingy he was talking about.  Or the cans on a string.

147 Of course we can co-opt their unicorn's magic telepathy rainbows to send our messages.

148 Of course we can always subvert their unicorn army's' magical telepathy rainbows of hope-change to send our messages Morse code style.

"Hope hope hope - change change change - hope hope hope"

149 Ugggg!

150 Does this mean that my anti-tank bazooka that I use for dove hunting might be taken away? 

151 Two great gun rights Blogs that are always worth reading:

http://waronguns.blogspot.com/

and

http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/

152 The guy who lives in the double-wide next to mine has the right idea but needs ammo for a military surplus 50 caliber rotary cannon he mounted in the back of his Chevy Suburban. He figures the 150 rounds he already has will last a little over 2 seconds. He could also use a good reloader and would like to know where he could find some spent plutonium bullets. Actually, my twin 700 megajoule pulsed lasers will put his Gatling gun to shame.

153
J'Accuse RINOs

I was just tipped to this by a buddy of mine.


H.R. 6257: Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008  Sponsered by these yo-yos.


Mark Kirk
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen
Micheal Fergusen
Christopher Shays  

An R by each one of their names. I just sent the following  to the GOP and Boehner.




What in the name of Ronald Reagen has happened to the Republican Party? Are you trying to lose my vote? This is ridiculous.
These things do nothing except deny the law abiding firearms ownership. It's a bogus feel good measure that achieves nothing.
Criminals will simply buy illegal guns from the same people whom they buy their illegal drugs.
 This is a time for choosing, do you people want to be Democrats Lite?
Or do you want to return to being the party of freedom from government that made you great.

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