1 That's funny. I was just about to call Slublog squishy.

2 Aw, how sweet.

3 “We are the salt of the earth. Do you know what salt does? It just keeps the carcass from putrefying.”

4

You know Christoph, usually you're just being a dick (and this is no exception), and just occasionally wrong.  Dude, he was telling the other side to fuck off with their poseys and heartie notes of "can't we all get along now"?

Did you miss that somehow?  Am I encouraging you to respond by asking?  Let me rephrase then.  Don't bother, cause I'm really not interested, thanks.

5

The liberal pundits who embraced the candidacy of Barack Obama are also eager to issue a death certificate for free market capitalism...

I find the argument that the free market is now proven wrong maddening. Every year or two, a socialist country completely implodes economically. And when they aren't imploding, socialist economies are lucky if their unemployment rate stays under 8 or 9%. But that is never viewed on an indictment of socialism.

On the other hand, the free market needs a reboot for the first time in 75 years, and liberals say it's now irrefutable that the market doesn't work.

Drives me freaking crazy.

6

If Reagan had run in this election cycle, I don't believe he would have won.  We have to build up our fraud efforts to match that of the Democrats (I say this only slightly sarcastically).  We can't just win 51-49 anymore without it being challenged as illegitimate.    

7 Dude, he was telling the other side to fuck off with their poseys and heartie notes of "can't we all get along now"?

Yes, I was wrong about that. I know you're not interested, Dave in Texas, but I apologize to Slublog.

Where I take issue with Slublog, and I really hope he's fucking right, is that he believes Obama is Jimmy Carter incarnate (hence the article he linked, which basically made that point) whereas I think Obama is a different and more dangerous entity entirely.

Nonetheless, Slublog's criticism of Obama as Carter-like is severe even if I ultimately think it will prove mistaken. So squishy is absolutely the wrong word. Naive is closer to what I meant to say.

Again, I could be wrong and I certainly pray I am.

8 It's time to start blaming Rove for this "how to win" republicanism. It helps me feel better. Magnificent bastard indeed.

9 Thank you, Christoph.  I appreciate that.

Like you, I don't believe Obama is the second term of Jimmy Carter, no matter how many times I make that joke (makes me laugh, anyway).  I think Obama is a charismatic demagogue who is unhappy with what America is and now has the power and a seeming willingness to reshape America into one that better suits his personal ideology and preferences.

As much as I disagree and dislike what the man stands for, I can't bring myself to descend into the fever swamps, because I think doing so would undermine who I am.

10

That's funny. I was just about to call Christoph a squishy douchetool.

11 As is the case in most instances, Armey (my former boss) is spot on.

12 Dick Armey is spot on. There is no such thing as compassionate conservatism. By its very nature, conservatism IS compassion. It allows people to do things for themselves and not TO them, like nanny state liberalism/socialism.

The sooner we realize that there will be no bi-partisanship with a Democrat party hijacked by the ultra-left, the better. They will give not quarter and they should get none. This is a battle for the future of America and sadly we have been utterly defeated in the last few rounds.

So, first we must take back our own party from the RINO's and the McCains who just don't get it (unconsciously or otherwise) and then the rest will work itself out once the base is unified and those foolish enough to have voted for O and his minions will be drawn to our side for what we are offering. Not the other way around.

G-d help us.

13 Well said Dave, well said.  General Petraus comes to mind.  Need a "Surge" back in the States I think!

14

Thank you, Christoph.  I appreciate that.

Slu you just thanked Christoph for calling you naive.  He's not Obama. Go all CDS on his ass.  He deserves it.

15 Slu you just thanked Christoph for calling you naive.  He's not Obama. Go all CDS on his ass.  He deserves it.

I was thanking him for the apology, not the opinion.

16 His apology included calling you naive. Oh nevermind.

17

I'll repeat what others have said, Reagan didn't win the Reagan Democrats by blessing the values of FDR, the 'kinda ok' parts of the Soviet Union, the supremacy of government intervention and the nice intentions of the Great Society. He won them by pushing his values, ones the Reagan Dems shared with his base.…Armey's right. The problem isn't the followers. The followers are right. We're just looking for the leader.

Agreed, but please keep in mind Reagan was a man of IDEAS. We need coherent plans for health care, education, taxes, the deficit….alternative, conservative proposals for everything. Not just obstruction.

 

A charming conservative leader can’t do a thing without the right ideas.

18 No one here really cares what the sheep riding mountie from America Jr. has to say.  Stop talking Christoph, you're removing all doubt concerning that old phrase about fools and silence.

19 I for one welcome our new opportunity to tell John McCain to STFU, and don't reach across the fucking aisle in my name, unless it is to rip some Dem's balls off.

20 McCain had to move to the right to get the moderates.  I still can't believe he was the repub candidate.

21 Noises from the Republicans (with the capital R) don't sound promising in this respect.  There's still four years for this to shake out, and God knows what's going to significantly shape the political landscape in that time.  But what I've been hearing so far (particularly from the Blame Palin Brigade) indicates Republicans still think if they move just a bit more to the left, and ditch all those krazy konservative kooks, they can regain their momentum.  I'm with Dave in thinking that way leads to catastrophe, but we aren't known as the stupid party for nothing.

22

Armey is absoutely right. The problem is that we can never get our message out because of the bias in the media.

http://www.hostileopposition.blogspot.com

23 Just keep in mind, Armey favors open borders.  If we were in the middle of the same debate we had last year on immigration, too many people would be shouting him down and calling him a RINO.

My point being that many different opinions exist within the GOP, and purging the party until only the true believers (who would deem them such is unknown) exist.

24 His apology included calling you naive. Oh nevermind.

Oh, I know.  I do try to remain mostly civil when I can.

Except in the posts I write when I'm mad about something, like the 52/48 hypocrites.

Or in traffic.

25 Dear friends,
A touch of history is in order (though why I'm posting it here, where visceral reaction is the rule, is nuts -- but then again, so am I).
Think back, or look back if you're not old enough, to 1976.
Remember how the GOP establishment hated one Ronald W. Reagan for supposedly costing Gerald Ford an election that Republicans had no chance of winning, thanks to Vietnam and Watergate? How they tried to minimize him as "a movie actor"?
Draw comparisons to the reaction of the DC/NY GOP establishment over Gov. Sarah Palin.
Spooky? No, history repeating itself, unfortunately.
If the Gov. is so inclined, she just might have the stuff to follow in Reagan's footsteps. In her own way. We do not need a second Reagan, admirable as he was. We don't want a clone. Conservatism is a very individual philosophical choice, based on core principles. The way I enunciate it isn't necessarily the way you would, or Rush would, or Reagan would. We don't have to agree on every particular policy, for cryin' out loud.
Attempting to quote Wm. F. Buckley Jr. from "The Unmaking of a Mayor"... "Surely there are alternative ways of doing things, all in the spirit of conservatism."
But we should agree on certain principles -- limited and honest government, personal liberty and responsibility and a strong defense for our country.
Over the past eight years, six of total GOP rule, two of divided government with the GOP in the White House, we have had only a strong defense actively supported by the party. The GOP deserved to lose this election.
Conservatism didn't lose it.
If I were to offer advice to Gov. Palin, I would say, "Finish your term. Don't seek re-election. If you want it in 2012, or even in 2016, figure out what you need to learn and learn it. In 2010, spend time letting more people get to know you and what you stand for. Help like-minded people win seats in Congress and in the state legislatures. Build something so strong that the GOP establishment cannot tear it down. There are enough of us who think you can represent conservatism in a way not unlike Reagan, but with your own touch."
Conservatism may be down this black Friday. But it's up to us -- not the fucking GOP -- to come off the canvas and fight again.

26 Agree with you completely, DiT. Both your post, and your comment.

Since I was so late to the other thread, I'll just repeat what I said there.

Electability of an unprincipled scoundrel who happens to have the correct letter after his/her name and to have been nominated is not the answer to the slide to the left by this country's leadership. If it was, we would not be where we are now.

McCain seemed to share very few of the principles that animate the average voter. On every big issue he was a squish, with the exception of defense.

In the quicksand of his soft principles, and against the backdrop of a Media propaganda blitz these past few years, and Bush's own shortcomings, and his own stubborn resistance to actually campaigning to win, he never had a chance.

You cannot separate the concept of principles from the mantle of leadership without inevitably diluting what it is to be a leader to the point that he/she is fundamentally incapable of making the soft decisions, much less the hard ones when everything is on the line.

Obama, whatever his faults, is undeniably the leader of his party, and now our country, by virtue of the principles he holds to and the ruthlessness with which he has pursued them. Our leaders need to be equally ruthless. Not in the way of Obama and the media, spinning ridiculous stories, but ruthless in message and ruthless in defense against the sorts of lies that McCain not only let slide, but often gave some credence to.

Choosing electability over principles brings us more like McCain, who would compromise further with the left on things like energy, environment, economics, justices, etc...

That would be all fine and good if the Left were ever satisfied with a compromise. Or if the pendulum ever swung back on their policies. But they very rarely are satisfied, and the pendulum sits atop a slanted base. Our country has moved left on almost every major and minor issue that comes to mind over my lifetime. At what point is enough enough? At what point does one draw a line in the sand and say "no further"?

I reached my point with the McCain candidacy. I will not be a party to electability over substance. I will not allow my vote to be abused by a serial backstabber such as McCain, or Lindsey Graham, ever again.

If someone wants my vote, they need to uncynically honor a plurality of the principles I hold to. Nothing more, nothing less.

27 If McCain had been as hard on Obama as he was on Bush, perhaps he would have done better.

28 I agree. No more squishy moderates.

So who's going to run for Senate and KO McCain?

29 The commie-lib Dems intend to END democracy, and in a dictatorship/oligarchy there will be no such thing as "over-reaching", it is no longer going to be about what anyone wants, who are not part of the power structure. The Constitution goes out the window(it arguably did some time ago, esp. with McVain's help), there will be no refuge in the courts, there will be no revolution, as everyone, virtually, is fed/ clothed/medicated by the State, and can not exist without the State's help.

30

Oh, I know.  I do try to remain mostly civil when I can.

I've noticed that about you.  Damn character qualities.  (I refuse to post a smiley face)

31 Here's the thing: the Dems say the same thing when they lose. They say, "We were too accomodating. We didn't play dirty enough. We didn't stay true to our ideals. We didn't articulate our ideas clearly."

And when they say that, what do we say? We say, "Oh, good one. Yeah, the reason you lost is because you didn't run far enough to the left. Snort."

Here's the pure fact of the matter: we were destined to lose. We were the party in power, and the economy is in the process of tanking. It doesn't matter that McCain tried to address the problems that led to the collapse. He's a Republican. Bush is a Republican. In the minds of the squishy middle, they're functionally equivalent.

Adding to our woes are two factors: 1) Whether the Dems had nominated BHO or HRC, voters would have been given a chance to "make history". 2) Obama is smooth, good looking, and charismatic. McCain is not.

We were fighting an uphill battle in three directions. Four, if you factor in the media.

32 there will be no revolution

Don't be too sure of that. It's happened before.

33

I didn't know the Pope lived in the woods.

34 I didn't know the Pope lived in the woods.

Only when it's the bear's week to wear the funny hat.

35

I didn't know the Pope lived in the woods.

And old gag, fusing "Does a bear live/shit in the woods?" + "Is the Pope Italian?" (Back when they all were.)

= Does the Pope shit in the woods? (More funny than "lives.")

Man that was a long explanation.

36 Caeci caecos ducentes. Blind are led by the blind.

I once was blind, but now I see. Leaders are no more knowledgeable than those they lead. It isn't conservatism that is unpopular. It is fraud feigning progressive liberalism to be conservatism that is unpopular. We have had enough of revisionism, and the natural inclination is to reestablish first principles before they disintegrate. The attacks in the media now are all aimed to complete the assassination of conservatives and conservatism.

Qui pro innocente dicit, satis est eloquens.  He who speaks for the innocent is eloquent enough. [GO PALIN!]

Nulla avarita sine poena est. There is no avarice without penalty.

Nemo gratis mendax. No man lies freely. 

Fortitudine vincimus. By endurance we conquer.

Imperare sibi maximum imperium est. To rule yourself is the ultimate power.

37 I never thought Obama the man was a formidable opponent, he was really never made to answer for anything. In the second debate where kept saying McCain was right was the time to go after him on Ayer and Wright. When the heat was put on, Obama would start stuttering. That said he does have a formidable organization especially the internet side. We really need to put our push behind and organization that has the principles and values we believe in and are able to articulate them to the public. NRA perhaps? Not sure if they do enough or can lead like is needed. As far as the media they are a giant but they have damaged credibility enough people will go out and search other means of information.
I do know we need to start now.
As far as the GOP how long is the purge going to last because I really don't have the patience to wait for them to get it together if it will take long. We don't have the time to wait. They got to get it together NOW.

38 As I've said before , the difficulty in putting together a conservative coalition that can be sustained is that the main trait of a conservative is his individualism.  One's man squishy postion is another man's concrete position.  This individualism causes one issue voters to bolt from any coalition and they cannot be easily convinced to return unless there position is satisfactorily addressed.  Hence the squishiness of any coalition.  Its a catch-22. 

39 Like you, I don't believe Obama is the second term of Jimmy Carter, no matter how many times I make that joke (makes me laugh, anyway).  I think Obama is a charismatic demagogue who is unhappy with what America is and now has the power and a seeming willingness to reshape America into one that better suits his personal ideology and preferences.

To my surprise, we agree. I hope we're wrong.

40 there = they're

41

Or lets try

there = their

42

The bottom line is this..

Conservative principles win every time.  It's time for us to get the hell out of the middle and back to the right. 

I hope the Republicans in power are listening.

43 " We lose when we don't embrace what we believe."


How . . .  nutrootsy!

Hopefully we'll have the pure conservative candidate in 2016, then, since that's how long it took the Left to get the cypher-Messiah

ugh.

44 The Obama Administration represents nothing left than the Fourth Reich. Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer.

Obama Uber Alles.

If we're going to beat the fascists, we're not going to do it with the help of the Squishy Moderate (French) RINOs like McCain, Lindsey Graham, or Chuck Hagel.

We need to purge them by running against them in GOP primaries and beat them.

Especially McCain - how about we take his campaign slogan: Country First. We'll put our country first by backing true conservatives, steeling our will, and FIGHTING THE FOURTH REICH.

45

When people talk about purging their party of all the squishies, moderates, etc. so they can have a pure ideology, I think of the Libertarian party and all the resounding success they've had in winning elections and promoting their ideas.

46 Tea Bag Revolution!  I'm on board for that.  This govt needs a giant wake up call.

OT: Last night I finally figured out who O looks like. 

Topo Gigio.  If Topo Gigio was Hawaiian or uh, um from Kenya or uh , uh from Indonesia or ah, uh, um from Chicago.

Yeah that's it!  President Elect Barack Topo Gigio Obama.

47

46

Dick Armey and the Tea Bag Revolution

Awesome

48 In reality, we're not planning for a 2010 comeback, but a 2014 comeback.  If Boehner isn't going,  it means sufficient pain still hasn't been applied to our side to straighten things out.  So, we're in for 2-4 years of KosKids style internecine warfare, which will see many of us go stark raving batshit crazy.

Fort Marcy Park and Ron Brown's Plane are going to seem like sweet reminders of a more lucid past compared to the gnostic shit we're going to be talking about.  Ugh.

49

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

50 Slublog, this article by Quin Hillyer you may have read already.

It touches on domestic rather than foreign affairs. I think it's a little closer to your true understanding of Obama than the Steven Den Beste piece (which did make some excellent points on international relations and trouble spots).

I think your readers would be interested in your thoughts on the points it raises about how Democrats may attempt to tilt American elections and the institutions of government in their favor.

51 Rush read the Hillyer articile yesterday ... it is chilling.

52 Grrreaaatt, "wolverine"

Keyboard revolution is even better than bitter hatred and party purges

Didn't Axelrod fire you already?

53 I think the Hillyer article is a middle case, not a worse case, Wolverine.

54

We have tea bag revolutions every weekend at my townhouse.  What's the big deal?

55 I thought "Dick Army" was the nickname of the Obama campaign team.

56 Some of the numbers coming out on the electorate show that there was no significant increase in voter turnout  (60-61%) from the 2004 election. The big difference is that...wait for it...
REPUBLICANS STAYED HOME!

There was a gag bumper-sticker that said "F*ck it...McCain 08" and another that said "McCain, the least liberal Democrat running" We had McCain slamming the sitting Republican President...just like the Dems. He blamed CEO greed ^TM for the housing crisis...just like the Dems. He touts the AGW BS and the need for green government initiatives...just like the Dems. The only thing he had different was the War and, ironically, because it's going so well it is no longer really an issue, at least not as far as the MSM was concerned. Given the choice between Democrate-Lite and the historical messiah, independents went with the obvious choice. Most conservatives felt that they didn't have a dog in this fight so why bother to vote against the inevitable?

The Republican Party is not dead. That stinkin' Moderate Republican "Brand" that the blue-bloods and their toadies tried to stick us with is...or should be. Reaching out to your opponents only works if they reciprocate. The only time Democrats reach across the aisle is to point a finger and yell "racist" when their plans are questioned.

To paraphrase "Steel Metal Jacket" the Republicans need to "reach down and grab a hold of 'em!" Stop being sorry for conservatism. Stop trying to dumb it down or make it "compassionate." There's no compassion in condemning a generation of Americans to a lifetime of overbearing government intervention.

We need to keep pointing out where the Dems have failed over the last two years and stop nodding when they blame corporate America when it was the Dem Congress' meddling and the Dem Congress' GREED that caused the problem in the first place because sure as God make little green apples the Dems are going to make it worse. But come midterms you can bet that the Dems and the MSM will blame the continuing problems, not on the actions or inactions or the Dems but on the "depth of the problems cause by 8 years of the Bush administration."

57

I  know this is getting old, but….

 

Obama's former pastor says media exploited him

 

...Wright's comments were a stumbling block for Obama's campaign. In an impassioned speech about faith and race, the Democrat at first expressed support for Wright, saying that "I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother."

But six weeks later during a speech at the National Press Club, Wright offered eyebrow-raising opinions about the U.S. government, praised Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan and hinted that Obama was distancing himself from the pastor for political expediency.

The next day, Obama said he was outraged and denounced Wright's remarks.

Total misrepresentation. Wright had already said the same things before, for years. He had previously given Farrakhan a Lifetime Achievement Award. The only change was the personal dig at Obama.

 

Now where on earth do MSM critics get the idea that the vetting of our new president was less than serious?

58 Glad you showed up, iowahawk. You just reminded me I wanted to read your latest.

59

Now, that guy who looks like he has to fart, Boehner, needs to vacate his spot ASAP.

I like the guy, but he is not the face of Conservatism, he is the face of a minority leader who likes being there, even if the entire country gets fucked.

Jeezis Christ.

60

Iowahawk, HAH.

 

True sir.  True.

61

 If Boehner isn't going,  it means sufficient pain still hasn't been applied to our side to straighten things out. 

McConnell needs to be ousted as Senate Minority Leader also.He's a pork-gobbling RINO.

62

If Hillyers article was not worst case scenario then God help us. Of course we will just stay passive and have our debates and cocktail parties and hope things work out next time.

63 Zo's latest.

The first segment alone makes it worth watching, even if the rest sucked. And of course it doesn't.

64

And old gag, fusing "Does a bear live/shit in the woods?" + "Is the Pope Italian?" (Back when they all were.)

= Does the Pope shit in the woods? (More funny than "lives.")

Man that was a long explanation.

Thanks.  I hate being out of the loop.

65 The godman will have a press conference on the economy today. Perhaps he will dress as Zeus.

66

We lose when we don't embrace what we believe.

How come everytime we say that, the party elite think we are just full of shit?  Bush is a FLUKE! we thought he was real in 2K, and NO WAY NO HOW he would have run uncontested in the primary if it hadn't been for the wars, cuz he was right on the wars.

Why does the party ALWAYS ignore the fact that we are conservative?  And I'm barely even conservative by any of the "elite" definitions, but the elite always recommends someone less conservative than I am?

It's Insane!

67 ruh-roh......GM trading just halted on pending news....

68 Just heard on the radio that there's a push to put Michael Steele in as head of the RNC. Great...another moderate. Isn't there a "Draft Fred" movement somewhere?

69

Thanks.  I hate being out of the loop.

Happens to me sometimes with the Internet slang or Obscure Reference of the Week.

Young people, with their rock and roll and their hula hoops and carbonated beverages....

70 If Boehner isn't going,  it means sufficient pain still hasn't been applied to our side to straighten things out. 

...McConnell needs to be ousted as Senate Minority Leader also.He's a pork-gobbling RINO.

Any leader associated with the last eight years of dicking around must go.

I would say it's time for the young turks to make a move, but I don't know if we have any in the Senate. Maybe the House.

71 I would be axelrod's worst nightmare. A conservative man that still has a pair. Palin showed more courage than the entire McCain campaign combined.

72 Just heard on the radio that there's a push to put Michael Steele in as head of the RNC.

Is that why she left the Bangles?

73

Just heard on the radio that there's a push to put Michael Steele in as head of the RNC. Great...another moderate. Isn't there a "Draft Fred" movement somewhere?

Don't we get a say in this?

74

I would say it's time for the young turks to make a move, but I don't know if we have any in the Senate. Maybe the House.

*Sigh* You may be right. I was thinking of one of the guys from OK as a maybe, but his name escapes me right now. And you're right, there really are no "young turks" in the senate--just old dinosaurs for the most part..

75

Gov. Babe

 

"I think she's been working from home," McAllister said. "Maybe she just liked the idea of spending a whole day at home. It could be the first time she woke up in her own bed and spent the night in her own bed on the same day since late August."

 

I just like reading that, OK?

76 Isn't Obama's old Senate Chief of Staff the former CoS for Dick Gephardt?

I know Obama had old Gephardt staffers on his own staff in the Senate and in the Presidential campaign.

Also, Gephardt is a huge farm lobby champion which is Obama's Washington base.

77 70 If Boehner isn't going,  it means sufficient pain still hasn't been applied to our side to straighten things out. 

...McConnell needs to be ousted as Senate Minority Leader also.He's a pork-gobbling RINO.

Any leader associated with the last eight years of dicking around must go.

I would say it's time for the young turks to make a move, but I don't know if we have any in the Senate. Maybe the House.

I'd love to see Jeff Sessions from Alabama or the other So Carolina senator - Jim someone or other (name escapes me right now) - get in the Senate leadership.  They are awesome. 

The House has plenty of good conservatives to pick from.  Boehner and his crap sandwich need to get out of the way.  He's a Bob Michel wanna- be.   Ugh. 

78 Kenny Marchant voted against the bailout crap sandwich bill.

79 Hillyer's piece is just the intro to what follows, which will be the worst case scenario. Because Americans have never experienced fascism as actual life circumstances none of us can yet wrap our heads around what could be. Hitler was voted into complete power(after appointment to Chancellor by Von Hindenburg) voluntarily by 95% of the German people in a Republic. He used all of the new-fangled mass media/radio, like B. Hussein has used internet/TV/Fawning media/education. Hitler did to German finance what Paulson, with Bush backing, has just done to ours. We will shortly see National Security Forces to back with guns what Hussein plans to do to things/people/ideas that communists don't approve of...There will be no revolution, as there is no longer the ability for large groups to resist the government they have allowed to be installed, and shortly there will be another 20 million new Mexican mouths to feed as "US citizens".

80 Yer makin sense Ace.

81 Most of the GOP leadership is "squishy."  That's the problem.

82 Why do you think Dems have mostly held onto the legislature while the Republicans have been successful in winning the executive branch? One requires an effort by a collective mindset while the other is best suited to the individual mindset of a leader.  You also see the opposite effect.  When the Republicans get the legislative majority they become a bright flame that burns out quickly while the Dem presidents are usually failures when measuring present and future results because they are always looking for a compromise solution that will please the collective.  Conservatives will never sustain a legislative majority because of these traits and when we do hold the majority we will become more squishy the longer we hold it.  Our best bet for the health of the country is to concentrate on being the conservative opposition in the legislature as opposed to the squishy majority and get back the executive branch.  

83 It is no coincidence that McCain hit his high points precisely when he embraced conservative principles.

At the convention shortly after the selection of Palin.

When he spoke on the Georgia situation, off the cuff, and before the handlers could screw it up.

When he shifted to "Drill baby drill."

The rest of the time he was handcuffed by past positions, including I might add, the opposition to tax cuts, born we think from bitterness following the 2000 loss. 

A lesson to us all.

84 Jim DeMint.

85 The only way to slow the monster oligarchy is for 50 million actual taxpayers to just not pay on April 15th. the mechanism that we are funding to ensalve us would grind to an abrupt halt.

86

84 Jim DeMint.

Thanks!  He'd be terrific, wouldn't he?

87 Yes he would.  Good man.

88 I'm going to email both Sessions and DeMint about running for the leadership.  Hope it's not too late!

89

Gonna violate one of aces banning rules.

That evil indoctrinating bitch of a teacher is a CUNT!

90

Thaddeus McCotter says a lot of excellent things, but he doesn't quite have the face for this kind of job, Jeff Flake does...but can he actually put together a protocol for modern Conservatism?

I just see Conservatism as an old musty cellar right now, with Rich Fucking Lowry in it, mopping up some little spillage while ten thousand leaks are spurting out all around him.

get Boehner the fuck out, and he will not want to go, that's for sure. I would have expected some attacks on him by now, but they don't seem to be happening.

Blow it up.

91 Here is the list of seats up for grabs in 2010.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Senate_election,_2010

Step 1:  Figure out who needs to go.
Step 2:  Find some conservative candidates (look at Govs and in US House and State Senate/House)
Step 3:  Start PACs

92

When the Republicans get the legislative majority they become a bright flame that burns out quickly while the Dem presidents are usually failures when measuring present and future results because they are always looking for a compromise solution that will please the collective.  Conservatives will never sustain a legislative majority because of these traits and when we do hold the majority we will become more squishy the longer we hold it.  Our best bet for the health of the country is to concentrate on being the conservative opposition in the legislature as opposed to the squishy majority and get back the executive branch.  

This is interesting...I do Communications stuff for the Pennsylvania Senate GOP, and one inherent obstacle is that it is much, MUCH easier to run and govern as a liberal. There is a never-ending list of new government programs to advocate and implement to cure a never-ending list of problems/complaints.

By nature, conservatives are supposed to take power in order to…diminish it. You’re supposed to take office to, in a way, do LESS. Kind of a tricky dance.

One way to do it is not just scream NO! at every liberal plan, but to offer a conservative, market-based alternative. We are slowly doing that in PA to combat our Democrat governor’s massive health care plan. The first thing we did was frame the argument in our favor – that is, there are not nearly as many truly “uninsured” citizens as reported. We made that argument and then addressed the much smaller group of truly uninsured.

Hard to govern as a conservative, but it can be done.

 

 

93 Who the fuck is Dick Armey to tell me what I need? Tell Armey to get back to me when he and the other 'Contract with Americans' remember the part about term limits. Anyone remember that bullshit? Didn't take them long to get both front trotters in the trough with the Dems, did it. Until then , he can STFU.
And how is Jack Abramoff, anyway?

94

no ban WP.  She is all that and more.  Bitch.

How chickenshit do you have to be to tell a child that daddy might be in Iraq for a hundred years?

 

I so wish it had happened here.  I would have made it my life's work, you know?

95 Dick Armey is awesome. I think he's from Texas, too!!!

Anyway, Dick Armey is another who got shunned by the dinks in our party when he got vilified by the media. And now he's out of Congress. Thanks douchebags.

96

Dick Armey ran off the field rather than stay and fight.  At the time I respected him for term-limiting himself, but we have seen that the term-limiters did not accomplish anything except removing some of our best minds and toughest fighters from the field.  And they didn't train and promote a bench behind them.

If Dick Armey and Phil Gramm had stayed in Congress, I can almost guarantee that there would have been no financial crisis this year because they would have fixed Fannie and Freddie before they fucked up the market.

97 I agree, you don't give up your principles.  but you better learn how to attract new players and new voters.

98

Agreed, but please keep in mind Reagan was a man of IDEAS. We need coherent plans for health care, education, taxes, the deficit….alternative, conservative proposals for everything. Not just obstruction.

 

LOL, it is only 3 days after the election in which roughly 10 million of the base stayed at home rather than vote for a damn liberal Democrat with an (R) after his name and already some of the AOSHQ morons are calling for more fucking liberal bullshit.

 

The above paragraph reflects WHY WE FUCKING lost. Plan for healthcare???? How about we leave it to doctors and private insurance??? Taxes???? How about make the Bush cuts permanent, you know, something McLame couldn’t talk about because he fucking voted AGAINST it.  Education???? How about repeal ALL of the NCLB bullshit and eliminate the fucking nation dept of education that Jimmy the Stupid put in place???  The deficit??? Fuck the deficit, the GD public doesn’t want to hear it. The Dems actually ran on that in 06 and where was it in 08???

 

This is what is wrong with our party. Look people, you can not fucking out-fucking liberal a communist so quit trying and get back to the roots. Let me repeat what I said after we lost:  McLame lost for two reasons;

 

1. He failed to make the case that the bank fiasco was the Dems fault

 

2. He was McLame, a liberal with an (R) after his name that even Sarah couldn’t redeem. 10 million conservatives stayed home.

 

BTW, Reagan didn’t have the media either and he was able to get his ideas around the media.

99

Okay, I finaly wrote it, but I did it just to get rid of the thoughts, now I have to work out the barney post for the hostages, but I made my Obama post at AMA.

If you don't know AMA then don't worry, I'm really just asking for a review from those of you who remember AMA.

100 85 J David I am with you bro on the tax deal - what will they do - throw 50 million people in jail - the 50 million who produce for the rest of the leeches

101 Yes, a plan for healthcare system reform. Starting with tort reform, just like Bush ran on in 2000.

The frivolous lawsuits brought on by greedy cocksucking lawyers are the main reason for the skyrocketing cost in health care. The phrase "frivolous lawsuits" was dropped by Bush when he pussed out after the Dems and media hammered him on the issue.

102 Glenn Beck played the audio of that teacher video today - he was not a happy camper - yesterday he was all kissy face "he's our president" - today uh not so much

103 AW fuck, forgot the charlie rose links.

104

On a different topic,

In MN it looks like Frankin may be steeling it, according to Powerline.  I want to know if the Coleman Campaign of anyone with the party was prepared to counter this.  If not, then the GOP and us need to relize that win or lose, an election is not over until all the races are done.  We have monthes to plan for the future.  We may only have hours, even minutes on election night to prevent a race being stolen.

105

“greedy cocksucking lawyers”

 

That sounds remarkably like by “greedy cocksucking Wall Street CEOs”. 

 

Look, I am no fan of trial lawyers but they are not the main reason for high healthcare costs. The States that have legislated significant tort reform have not achieved significant healthcare savings. The main reason for spiraling health care costs is government paid healthcare and employer provided health insurance.

 

We have too many customers chasing the too few doctors with unlimited dollars and no incentive to reduce costs. What we should do to lower costs is the get the fucking government OUT of the healthcare business and make private insurance pay for only catastrophic costs. In short, make every policy have a $5000 deductible.

106 104 we play nice - they don't - hell no we weren't prepared

107 In MN it looks like Frankin may be stealing it.

Of course. While we were busy wasting our time with the Palin rumors on Wednesday, the Democrats were fudging the numbers for Franken.

These stupid distractions are killing us.

108

Fucking cunt Oprah now wants Sarah on her cunt  shownow that the election is over. I say Sarah should tell her that her fucking show is now past history and not worth a visit, then she can go to Glen Beck of Hannity (as long as asshole Colms is not there).

109 of = or

110 A Uof Texas football player has been kicked off the team for putting a smear against the O on his myspace page....He says he didn't do it, but they kicked the kid off the team...

111 A Uof Texas football player has been kicked off the team for putting a smear against the O on his myspace page....He says he didn't do it, but they kicked the kid off the team...

Thou shalt not criticize the holiness and "ONE"

112 Kaitian - do you have a link?

113 Aye
http://tinyurl.com/5c2w88
http://tinyurl.com/6dr966

114

To me the GOP is dead! Dead To Me!  As Limbaugh points out, the Blue Blood Country Club Republican are the problem.  News Flash! They ain’t going anywhere!  They don’t have too, they don’t have jobs, in the same sense as we do.  They’ve got the time and disposable income to run the steering committees.  Deciding who get the nod at the entry level for political office.  The Sarah Palins & Bobby Gendals get in the mix, in spite of them, not because of them.  They pick the “Wide Stance” Republicans.  I’m voting the Libertarian ticket; I’m with the pot smoking nutjobs from now on.  Yea, they’ll never get in power, I know… Pass the Valu-Rite….Arugh!  Damm, I think I can make better than this in my basement.

115 "We need coherent plans for health care, education, taxes, the deficit… alternative, conservative proposals for everything. Not just obstruction."

Revisit Reagan's 1964 speech addressing the Republican National Convention (it's on YouTube.) He had very specific ideas about the role of government, and it had nothing to do with being more liberal than the Democrats. That is the first thing he says in that speech.

Right now the Democrats absolutely must be obstructed. Obama has already laid out his mandate: Industries such as oil and gas producers, utilities and pharmaceuticals may face greater regulation and even taxes, while labor unions and the automakers will benefit. Banks, insurance companies, hedge funds and the rest of the financial sector will face attempts at a regulatory overhaul by the Democratic Congress next year. Look at what Rahm Emanuel has already said about healthcare and the New Bill of Rights.

The Republicans must at least come out strong in 2010. Their message should be one of small government and freedom.

116 Again, I'd rather hold on to what I know is right and die with my boots on than expand the tent just to win a few elections.  How's that working out for us anyway?

117 looking for a place to get involved in the resurgence of the conservative movement - check out anystreet.org

118

I found this on the Texas Longhorns.

119 #56....I challenge your information.
John Fund reports that absentee/mail in is a republican vote....*stolen, thrown away, manipulated

Early voting is democratic *added to, mickey mouse, 72 times etc.

I will give you, some stayed home because of amnesty.  But, Sarah added to the vote..Rasmussen new poll 91% of republicans approve of Sarah.

120 Thanks Kaitain - and so it begins - and I am ashamed to say ... in Texas

121

I think that Barry O will be as much a poll watcher as Clinton was.

The best way to keep Obama honest is to keep hammering him. If you drive his poll numbers down he will be much more afraid to take actions that would be negatively perceived.

122 I haven't read all of the comments...yet, but someone upthread was speaking of the free market and I just have to say that we haven't had a free market in forever.  Capitalism works!!  Mixed economies, depending on the intervention, work most of the time.  The problem with them is, that since they are not a truly free market, that in order to get the desired (as determined by the "desirer") results, there must be constant adjustments, or tinkering.  What then happens is something akin to overcompensating for a skid, then we have this constant fishtailing, back and forth.

Government controlled economies do not work, whatever name you want to apply to it; socialism, marxism, communism.  Just ask China.  Why do you think that they are turning to a Capitalist market and endangering the communist government.  Because state controlled economies implode.

Thankfully we are not quite in as deep as the Euros, but damn we're getting closer.  Every time the government gets involved in some sector of the economhy, to ostensibly do good, they create a monster that has an insatiable appetite.  Look what Social Security has become; until the advent of the tax deductible savings programs (IRA, 401k, Roth) very few middle income owners planned for their retirement, they were content to depend on SS.  Look at the boondogle of Medicare and Medicaid.  Government created programs that spawned an artificail demand that shot up the cost of goods and services.  Look at the mortgage market, HUD, FHA, FMFM, et al, creating and "industry" out of what was a craft, subsidizing demand, outstripping supply and artificially inflating costs.

What we need is less government and weaning from the Govt tit.  AW FUCK, I could go on all day about this, but we're gonna have to have some soup lines before we ever even think about putting the Genie back in the bottle.

123

If that teacher had been a conservative doing that to a lib kid - she would have already been fired. Anybody know her status?

124

Free

 

How do I put this simply??? You are wrong. Even with Sarah app 10 million Republicans stayed at home while the Dems INCREASED their turnout. I counted and compared only the States that switched from rep to Dem between 2004 and 2008. The Dems only had one State that decreased turnout and oddly enough that was OH. The Repuiblicans decreased in EVERY fucking State by wide margins.

 

In the 9 States that switched Dem turnout increased by 2 million while Rep turnout decreased by 1 million. Over the entire country Rep turnout decreased by app 10 million,

125

"We need coherent plans for health care, education, taxes, the deficit… alternative, conservative proposals for everything. Not just obstruction."

Easy fucking peasy man.

Education: SCHOOL CHOICE!

Health Care: A la carte. Reduce the regulations so people can purchase the health insurance they actually need and can afford, and move toward encouraging individual health care instead of company provided (you pay the same either way - that comes out of your check). Why the bloody hell do I have more choices in how I insure MY CAR then my damn self? The car's worth $12k. I'm priceless. 

I hardly ever get sick. And when I do, I can easily afford $200 on my own to go the doctor and have him tell me to drink lots of fluids or toss a generic antibiotic at me for some random bug. So give me a higher deductable and lower rates! I only want health insurance to insure me in case I beat the odds and come down with some $400,000.00 emergency room case of Ebola.

Deficit: Duh. Get rid of it. Lower taxes (this will increase revenue because we're still ahead of the Laffer curve) and much more importantly, REDUCE spending.

Taxes : I just said it. Lower.

126 The media failed us.  Plain and simple.  They decided that BO was their candidate and they proceeded to get him elected.  We no longer have a free press.  We have BO state controlled media.  Without a free press a thriving democratic republic is at risk.

127 sarah got McCain an extra 16 pts - people stayed home because of McCain and general anger at GOP-not because of Sarah

128 Just hear that Greta is on her way to Alaska to interview Sarah Palin

129

What we need is less government and weaning from the Govt tit.  AW FUCK, I could go on all day about this, but we're gonna have to have some soup lines before we ever even think about putting the Genie back in the bottle.

That's fine, but there's a reason most people here aren't registered libertarian.

130 Vic
Part of the problem we are having is that we equate R turnout with victory.  We need to simply return to values and govern that way and the votes will be there.  There are many conservative Dems and a shitpot full of moderates.  We just need to return to the ideas and platform of the Reagan era and we will win elections.

131 Why doesn't BO realize that you do not conduct a news conference about the economy while the markets are open.   Ugh, he is just like Uncle Ben and Hand out Hank.

132

As for turnout:

Here is the key point : Total voter turnout was less in this election then 2004.

It's not - it cannot just be - simple people who voted for Bush voting for Obama. The numbers don't add up. We're flat out MISSING millions of people. They voted for NO ONE. They stayed home.

Now subtract the 10% NEW voters, and we're missing even more.

McCain got less total votes then loser John F'n Kerry did in '04.

133 want to get involved in rebuilding conservative movement - anystreet.org

134

A Uof Texas football player has been kicked off the team for putting a smear against the O on his myspace page....He says he didn't do it, but they kicked the kid off the team...

No, I think he said he didn't WRITE it, but someone sent it to him and he posted it on his Facebook. Implied "hunting *&^%!" The bad word.

His apology seemed pretty detailed and sincere, but they canned him anyway.

135

That means that a good 10 million+ people didn't buy Obama's shit.

That's enough people to have caused him to lose.

But they didn't buy McSquish's shit either.

136 I never liked John McCain because I never felt he was a true republican.  I didn't like Hillary because of her sense of entitlement so I helped Bo figuring that the republicans would put up a Romney or a Guiliani and there would be no contest with BO.   Seriously, maybe republicans believed the press when they said it would be a blow out and didn't bother to vote.

137 regardless, what he posts on a myspace page is his business ... that is just b$llsh*t - hope Texas Tech picks him up

138 Austin is like a different country from the rest of Texas - Glad we whupped them

139

Armey is so right. The problem has never been conservative ideas. They work.  IMO the GOP faces two other problems:

1) Republican politicians abandoning conservative ideals too often (as many have noted).

2) Republicans and conservatives mismanaging the message.

I know everyone on this site would agree with point one (e.g., all the RINO talk).  But I think many of you overlook the second problem.  In fact, I think this second problem is a partial cause of the first problem.  Specifically, many people in the GOP move to the middle and become Democrat-lite because they think this is the only way to expand the party.  That is, they're blaming the GOP's failure to expand in recent years on the information content of the message (conservatism) rather than blaming the way that message is presented and perceived by the voter.  (Perception is king.  We can't forget that.)  In a nutshell,  the GOP has lost and alieniated many potential constituencies (e.g., socially  conservative Hispanics and Blacks, fiscally conservative types like myself, libertarians, etc.) because they've been sloppy about how they present conservative messages, not necessarily because of the information content of the conservative message.  They've allowed the lib media and Dems to paint conservatives as angry, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, intolerant small minded cretins.

One thing conservative Republicans need to do is revamp their public image because as long as these negative perceptions hold with a mass part of the public (e.g., racist, intolerant, angry, hateful, etc.), people will be resistent to listening to the information content of the message being offered.    Jindal helps because he shows the GOP isn't made up of just old rich white guys and rednecks (which is the impression of many Dems and Indpendents).  Paul Ryan, Mike Pence and a few other House guys are good representives of rational, thoughtful conservatives instead of firey flamethrowers.  Sadly, Governor Sarah Palin is a textbook case of the GOP losing control of the message.  She had the potential to really change the face of the GOP for much of America. My impression of Sarah (from her political record and biography) is that she's a self-made, gutsy pragmatic reformer, who lives her conservative values but doesn't necessarily impose them on other people.  But the MSM caricatured her as a dim-witted 80s era religous zealot culture warrior that wanted to force rape victims to pay for their rape kits and bear their rapists babies, burn every book but the Bible, declare Holy Wars and force gays to attend re-education "pray you're not gay" camp.   This woman had enormous potential to unite the traditional conservative base of the GOP with more pragmatic, freedom loving independents, libertarians and open minded non-GOP women.   The way she's been vilified by the MSM is unconsciounable.  

I don't think Governor Palin  is ruined.  But it's not enough that the GOP base, many PUMAs and Ex-Dems like myself know Governor Palin's public persona is a twisted left wing smear. Other people need to learn the truth about her.  More importantly, we need to make sure this kind of thing never happens again.  We can't let the MSM brand conservatives anymore.   

140

Part of the problem we are having is that we equate R turnout with victory

 

And the problem with that is what????

 

If Republican turnout is LOW and Dem turnout is HIGH we lose. Just like Tuesday.

 

BTW, you don’t liver near Chester do you???

141

#90

Dr. Buzz: I saw some of the same trial baloons about Flake floating around yesterday. He's my Congresscritter, but let me tell everybody something. He's a 1-trick pony with the earmarks/pork issue. That's it. That's all he's got. Nice family guy, solid, etc., but not a leader for any Repub caucuses, leadership, etc.

He's got that maverick streak which should be buried about now. He'll criticize other Repubs for pork (deservedly), but it makes him no friends in either party. Can't lead like that. Also has this fixation with rolling back the Cuba embargo, and he's a little squishy on immigration. Leave him as a back-bencher, please.

142

Hot Air has a story about a possible struggle for the Senate leadership between McConnell and DeMint over the Ted Stevens mess. 

Go Jim DeMint! 

 

143 CJ, that is just plain wrong.  Where is this kid's right to freedom of speech?  This is what I think a lot of the so called "adults" are fearful of which is why they went along with this guy thinking if they were on his team they wouldn't have to worry about retribution. 

144 The very phrase 'Compassionate Conservatism' was the mistake. Your trying to appease Political Correctness. Appeasement is understood by both your allies ("uh-oh, they'll sell us out next") and your enemies ("suckers!")

Now, what's this have to do with McCain? I have no idea. We were certain he'd stand up for us against foreign, armed enemies. That's all we knew. Nothing else jibed. He doesn't seem particularly troubled by our domestic enemies. Couldn't tell what he was doing on the bailout. Confused by his unwillingness to bring up any issues that might hurt Obama. Gang of 14, what the heck was that?

Imagine if it had been a referendum instead of an election on John McCain for President. He might've gotten 5%.

Conservatism hasn't changed. Have you changed? Neither have I. Have the benefits of freedom changed? Nope. It still comes down to equality of opportunity versus equality of outcome.

We don't have to 'articulate a new message' or 'reach out to new groups'. Conservatism is group-less. The message, according to the Declaration, is built into all of us.

Just need to allow better leaders to develop. A senator will never be that leader.

145 A senator will never be that leader.

Worth repeating:

A senator will never be that leader.

Maybe an ex-senator, who has spent some time in other endeavors and regained some of the individuality and fortitude that leadership demands.

But lacking that:

A senator will never be that leader.

146

Tversky

 

You are so right. This is one of McLame’s major problems. He was depending on the media to get his message out because they loved hi Maverickness in the past while he was bashing Republicans. The RINOs all promoted him as being the only possible winner because he could deliver some of the prior blue States like PA. hahahahah we see how that worked out don’t we. He also thought his supporting amnesty would deliver the Hispanic vote. How about another big ahahahahaha, all it did was cause a lot of the base to sit at home.

 

The problem with communicating conservative ideas is illustrated very well above by the individual posing the “we need a plan on healthcare” meme. His last sentence said we “will be viewed as obstructionist”.  This is what scares the RINOs aside from the fact that they really are closet socialists themselves. Being opposed to socialism is somehow being “obstructionist”. Hell, that should be a good thing; we “obstructing socialism”.

 

Why was it that Reagan could successfully get that message across to the public? He was able to coin the snappy phrase “government doesn’t solve problems; government is the problem”. That is what we need now. We need a conservative politician who can deliver a snappy phrase. Governor Huckabee was good at that, but it was too bad that he was a religious liberal and a zealot.

 

What we need is someone like Palin or Jindal with a damn good speech writer. They also need to learn how to think fast on their feet so that can come back at liberal asshat reporters and they need to learn to do ONLY live interviews. (or do what Illinois Power did to 60 minutes when they invented the edited answer hatchet job, film in parallel with them and release the video)

 

147

Demint is one of the best in the Senate. Too bad he shares the same State with that asshole Grahamasty.

148

“Agreed, but please keep in mind Reagan was a man of IDEAS. We need coherent plans for health care, education, taxes, the deficit….alternative, conservative proposals for everything. Not just obstruction.”

 

LOL, it is only 3 days after the election in which roughly 10 million of the base stayed at home rather than vote for a damn liberal Democrat with an (R) after his name and already some of the AOSHQ morons are calling for more fucking liberal bullshit. The above paragraph reflects WHY WE FUCKING lost. Plan for healthcare???? How about we leave it to doctors and private insurance???

 

Then that’s our plan, Senator. It’s what the GOP is advocating in PA, except, see, THEY FUCKING ADVOCATE A POSITION. They don’t just scream “NO FUCKING WAY” at the TV set.

 

And since you brought it up, announcing that your plan for “40 million uninsured Americans”* is to tell them to go fuck themselves is political malpractice. Conceding any major issue (yeah, just screaming that IT’S NOT AN ISSUE doesn’t count) to the other side is surrender. I concede nothing. First, we whittle that “40 million uninsured” claim down to an actual number of actual, long-term uninsured. Then we offer a mix of market solutions, Health Savings Accounts, lawsuit reform and other conservative measures to address it. YOUR approach wins the vote for Most Snappy Retort. MINE wins the vote of conservative Republicans, conservative Democrats, and Independents who believe there is a real problem requiring a real solution.

 

Taxes???? How about make the Bush cuts permanent, you know, something McLame couldn’t talk about because he fucking voted AGAINST it. 

 

Agreed. Another plan where one previously did not exist. We’re making headway.

 

Education???? How about repeal ALL of the NCLB bullshit and eliminate the fucking nation dept of education that Jimmy the Stupid put in place??? 

 

Great plan. Let’s expend all of political energy on this libertarian wet dream. Bush & Co. boosted federal involvement in education to a level unprecedented in history. (This goes back to my argument that Bush/Rove only cared about winning two elections, not ideological consistency or the future of the party.)  You try to go from the top of Mt. Everest to sea level in one jump and, well, you lose.

 

The deficit??? Fuck the deficit, the GD public doesn’t want to hear it. The Dems actually ran on that in 06 and where was it in 08???

 

So fiscal conservatism is now OFFICIALLY removed from the GOP plank, instead of just in practice? Damn.

 

I don’t give a shit about using a conservative platform to appeal to…the same god damn conservatives we’ve been appealing to for decades. I want to use conservative principles to draw in new people. And advertising conservatism as something that doesn’t give a shit about actual issues is surrender.

149

CJ, your plan is what McLame ran on Tue. It is a proven fucking loser.

150

"We need coherent plans for health care, education, taxes, the deficit… alternative, conservative proposals for everything. Not just obstruction."

Revisit Reagan's 1964 speech addressing the Republican National Convention (it's on YouTube.) He had very specific ideas about the role of government, and it had nothing to do with being more liberal than the Democrats. That is the first thing he says in that speech.

Is there something about "conservative proposals" that is confusing here?

School choice is a conservative proposal for education. Contrast that with the Fuck Off, We Don't Care slogan. My mantra is 'you can't out-liberal a liberal.' It's Politics 101.

But it’s not 1964 anymore. Christ that was even before The Great Society kicked in. It takes time and effort to turn an ocean liner around. We need conservative plans for every major issue to start. Just dismissing the issue is surrender.

 

151 How To Get Your Hand Bitten
By Randall Hoven
American Thinker
Nov. 7, 2008

...the really irritating theme to me was the idea that we need to work together with Democrats more.  As if that has been the problem.  Let us review the last eight years and see how often we did work with the Democrats and how that worked out for us.

...Why do Republicans keep thinking their problem is not cooperating enough with Democrats?  Name one thing Democrats have been willing to support in the last 40 years that did not increase the size, scope and intrusiveness of the federal government.

I will mirror Gephardt's admonition.  If Democrats support it, it can't be good.  Just as Groucho Marx would not be a member of a club that would have him as a member, Republicans should not support legislation that has significant Democratic support.

There's a joke where the husband wants a dog and his wife wants a cat, so they compromise and get a cat.  With Democrats, every "compromise" is a cat.  A bloated budget, bureaucratic, cat.

How often do Democrats reach out to Republicans?  Joe Lieberman did, on just one issue.  The Democrats left him high and dry in his next primary election, and essentially kicked him out of the party.  He is now in the Senate as an Independent.  That's how they reach out.  (At least he knows how to pay them back.)

Here's an example of how they compromise.  In the great debate on abortion, where one side says life starts at conception and the other says not until birth, Barack Obama wants to compromise by making sure even babies born alive after a "botched" abortion get no health care.

So please, Republicans, spare me the bi-partisan, reaching out talk.  We are putting country first when we stick to traditional Republican themes; that's why we have them.

[end quote]

152

BTW

There is NO FUCKING such thing as a "conservative Democrat".

153

125

Now you're talking.

Next time, we’ll have a candidate who can’t defend those ideas with conviction, not squinting at a teleprompter in an awkward attempt to enunciate a governing philosophy he just learned.

154

Amanda “the Babe” Carpenter reporting on the  the meeting of the RINOs  that conservative bloggers were shunned from.

155

CJ is right. You're misinterpreting him.

McCain didn't have a plan for anything - conservative, or even otherwise!

It was just "Hey vote for me, I'm John Fuckin McCain, bitches".

Seriously. His #1 issue in this election was "I was a POW 40 years ago".

WTF?! Dude, we all respect your service. And I kept my mouth shut. But now speaking hurts no one. 

How the bloody hell is that different from Waffle's act we all made fun of 4 years ago? I was waiting for McCain to say "Reporting for duty!".

Did you know he was in Vietnam? John was. I mean. No not that John, the other John. They were both in Vietnam actually. Did I mention that? That part about them being in Vietnam?

Conservative plan for Global Climate Change: Educate the public about what a multi-billion dollar watermelon scam AGW is.

That's a plan. Let's not just not mention it and pretend like we've never heard of it. Fight it.

156

In a nutshell,  the GOP has lost and alieniated many potential constituencies (e.g., socially  conservative Hispanics and Blacks, fiscally conservative types like myself, libertarians, etc.) because they've been sloppy about how they present conservative messages, not necessarily because of the information content of the conservative message.  They've allowed the lib media and Dems to paint conservatives as angry, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, intolerant small minded cretins.

 

Exactly.

 

I’ve been saying that the GOP no longer has to play defense on race. We just witnessed a winning campaign that employed blatant racial politics to silence criticism, headed by a candidate who spent two decades in racist church, mentored by a racist preacher from whom he has yet to unequivocally denounce. [SEN. OBAMA: There's been great damage. You know, I -- it may have been unintentional on his part, but, you know, I do not see that relationship being the same after this.]

 

Again: The Right is now the more racially tolerant side.

 

Also, at one point, 40% of Hispanics supported tighter borders. We appeal to them, and the rest can join us if they want. We’re not changing.

 

Concede nothing. Run from no issue.

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No CJ is NOT right, he is left; pun intended.

 

On education, we need to eliminate all federal involvement and we need to run on that principle, not hide from it. The people fucking hate NCLB.

 

On the deficit we need to NOT mention it while at the same time running on a real tax cut and cutting spending. The deficit will then take care of itself.

 

On healthcare we need to get the government OUT of that business and we need to COMMUNICATE how that will reduce the price for EVERYONE.

 

A number of people have said this over and over and the reason is that it is worth repeating.

 

You can NOT out-liberal a communist. We need to run on conservative principles and actions NOT liberal ideas that have failed.

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CJ, your plan is what McLame ran on Tue. It is a proven fucking loser.

 

 Really? My plan includes attacking “Wall Street greed” and a convoluted health care tax and being outmaneuvered on tax cuts?? I don’t think so Vic.

 

We had a liberal making a half-assed argument for some conservative approaches and we STILL came within 4 percentage points of winning. We don’t need to nominate a Libertarian, just a conservative Republican who can speak in complete sentences.

 

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Vic:

I agree with you about McCain and the media.  One of his biggest failures in this election was his total naiveté about the MSM.  I guess he thought he and Palin would be treated differently because the MSM used to be friendly to him.  Boy did that backfire.  The reason the MSM liked him was because he was a Republican loser that took on his own party.  The minute he became the party’s standard bearer, and in particular – took on Our Dear Leader Obama – all bets were off.   We cannot trust them.  We also need  to find a way to expose them for their absurd bias.  It’s going to be tough, but I for one have pretty much declared war on the MSM after what I saw during this election.  I think the biased MSM is no better than crooked cops or pedaphilic priests.  They abuse their power and destroy trust in important institutions.  They’re scum.

However, I disagree that CJ described what McCain ran on.  McCain ran on his biography and national security credentials.  He barely touched on specific issues.   I essentially agree with CJ that when the conservative position is “keep government out of it” or “do nothing” the politician has to explain why that’s the right answer.  This is particularly true since all the Dems do is offer solutions: Terrible, self-defeating, self destructive, inefficient, ineffective solutions.  But solutions nonetheless.  (The election of Barry the King of the Unicorns shows it’s hard for a lot of people to grasp the notion that “change” sometimes leads to worse conditions.)  

I agree with Krakatore that Senators make bad leaders.  In fact the most effective Senators are often the worst leaders because to be an effective Senator (i.e., get bills passed, especially major sweeping bills) they usually have to engage in compromise.  It’s not surprising that the two most recent Senator-Presidents were pretty inexperienced and ineffective (JFK and Barry the King of the Unicorns).  They didn’t have records that could be used against them during the campaign.

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They didn’t have records that could be used against them during the campaign

 

I agree with everything except that statement above. Barry did have a record that could be used against him. He had an extreme liberal record. McLame did mention that a few times near the end, but not enough. I guess he was again depending on the media to advertise it.

 

That record would have fit nicely in the attacks on the supposed O’Bama tax cut for 95% of the people that McLame did not start attacking until AFTER the advent of Joe the Plumber.  Image this, if you will, suppose Joe the Plumber had never happened? It was an accident that the Vomit met him on the street anyway.

 

McLame would have lost another 500,000 stay at voters and a couple more States is probably what would have happened.

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"There is NO FUCKING such thing as a "conservative Democrat"."

Two words: Zell Miller 

162 Zell Miller is no longer a Democrat. Remember those famous words "the Party left me".

163 > Some argue you have to win to lead. Not me. I argue you can't win if you won't lead.

Here, here!
Also, if you campaign on the right values, the right philosophy, even if you lose , you've probably forced your opponent to move towards your positions just to woo your supporters. As opposed to the current GOP practice of sliding to the left and giving the voters a choice between real Democrats and fake Democrats.

164 Hell, let's run Zell Miller. John Breaux.
Both very conservative and not classic democruds.
Both more conservative than Grahmnesty and McClown.

165 McCain has Stockholm syndrome, I swear it. He sort of wants to oppose the lefty statist-type stuff he's ostensibly been fighting/campaigning against in Vietnam and in politics but in the end he can only let himself put up enough of a fight to be an "honorable opponent" and just ends up letting the other side win. Palin wouldn't have (and didn't) take any prisoners whatsoever. What a crock.

166 Stockholm syndrome as in, he sort of knows that he supports his own side, but he subconciously feels he has to/wants to win it for the other side. Five years in the Hanoi Hilton were bound to leave more marks than are visible on the outside. I am betting this analysis would be pretty accurate if presented to someone who knows more than precisely zero about psychology (ie. not me.)

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