1 Read this.

2 The Rahm dude...he claims a charitable foundation in his home.  Tax avoidance.
http://tinyurl.com/5864sg

3 I detect a sense of apprehension that no Democrats would wish conservatives to treat Obama as they did Bush for eight years.

We don't always get what we wish for.

4

Well, if you're looking for something else to add to your list of "Things to Check On" - how about chargebacks for credit card fraud to the Obama campaign?

If the credit card company forgives the debt, is that an illegal campaign contribution? 

Wouldn't it be ironic if the first victim of the Barack Presidency is when the Barack for President 2008 Campaign files for bankruptcy?

-

oh, and the chick in the Bahamas.

Her, too.

5 My penis is tinier than Joe Biden's brain.

6 Insist on extending the "fairness doctrine" to network news and tv shows. Not that I wish that, either -- but insist on its general applicability to any broadcast medium

I totally agree.  I've always wanted my own television talk show.  I figure each and every one of we Morons would need a show in order to balance out the current bias. 

7
Teacher harasses students who don't support Obama.

8 You can bet a load of cooters they are coming for the Internet.  Free speech will be defined by the Marxist as that which emboldens Dear Leader.  Any true criticism will be met with notification from DOJ that no ISP will provide connection to the backbone for the offender.  It will be a punishable offense reminiscent of the Rape of Nanking.  

9
Timeless words from Reagan after failing to receive the
GOP nomination in 1976.

watch

10
Hmm. VDH has a point, but ...

I'm not feeling generous toward the Dems. I want some payback. And what better form of payback than to give exactly as we got? There's symmetry to it. There's justice.

I will have my revenge.

11 I totally agree. I've always wanted my own television talk show. I figure each and every one of we Morons would need a show in order to balance out the current bias.

How about: Dancing With the Morons!?

12 For all the vetting Obama has supposedly received, he will still be unable to pass the security check to become a member of the Secret Service, those brave men who will protect the Marxist. 

13 Oh, but we'll have our brave RHINO senators to defend us. Hopefully, they'll be reaching across the aisle to protect the first amendment.

It'll be important to set a new tone in DC with the new administration, don't you know.

BARF

14 I do not disagree, however, when has being civil ever worked for the conservatives?*



*I have to pause every time I write either republican or conservative. I know I'm a conservative but I am almost entirely convinced I am not, nor do I want to be, a republican. Too many RINO's. I am not a libertarian. I'm not an independent. Conservative isn't a party, but I wish it was.

15 But AlexTheChick, your show is the only one any of us will watch.

16 Insist on extending the "fairness doctrine" to network news and tv shows. Not that I wish that, either -- but insist on its general applicability to any broadcast medium.

No way. That argument should only be used to show how absurd the fairness Doctrine is. We should insist that the First Amendment be preserved.

17 Well, maybe that's what you were getting at.

18 I know what elementary school he went to

OMG INVASIVE! I don't need to see any college transcripts or theses or State Senate records or hear about the New Party or Jeremiah Wright or Bill Ayers or the felon who helped him buy a house or the Khalidi party or who enabled the credit card fraud in his campaign if I know where he went to elementary school!

19 Actually, the more I think about it I hope the Dems crush the guts out of the ol' pubbies. Maybe enough of the current crop of gutless wonders will get discouraged and resign.

20

Don't worry about the return of the Fairness Doctrine, Ace. After all, the 30-minute long Nicolle Wallace & Andrew Sullivan Show should more than represent conservative positions. Once per week.

21
Thank God that Stevens and Don Young won. Right now we need every sorry-ass Republican in Washington we can get. And we can't let Franken steal Coleman's seat with a recount.

Our main goal should be to increase our seats in Congress in 2010. Forget about 2012. We have no hope for 2012 if we don't win in 2010. Why? Because of shit like the Fairness Doctrine -- it could silence our voices by 2012.

22 After watching that Reagan video I started crying. That man runs deep.

23

Obama will need a new head for the Department of Political Paybacks.  Ayers will be the first in line.  "Hey bitch, I was cool, silent as a bomb that didn't go off, that I want a few nights in the Lincoln bedroom... and get the maids to line the floor with American flags that I can step on... then I want some pictures."

24 Totally right about the Ayers/Wright thing.  See, that was really the dumbest thing about the CBS/Texas National Guard memo thing.  Even if the memo weren't fake, who cares?  The only conceivable reason that might have mattered was to bring into question his fitness for being commander-in-chief.  Well, duh, the guy already was commander-in-chief!  And had been for almost four years!  We knew how he'd do.  He'd been doing it!

So, yeah, Bill Ayers/Rev. Wright bring into question Obama's judgment.  But in four years time, we won't have to speculate about his judgment.  We'll have actual results, which is all anyone should care about.

25
I'm not sure about the vetting issue. I get the impression that all the bad news about Obama--why he shouldn't be the president--had gotten out by election day but that a majority of voters (like Seattle Slough) chose to ignore that information and vote for him anyway. They knew what they were getting and it was okay with them. Which I find even more troubling to than the notion that he was insufficiently vetted from the start.

26 Being civil does not work.  John fought this election as a gentleman from 1970.

27 This guy has been put through the ringer so many times

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

That's a funny one...

28 The election basically wiped the slate clean on Ayers, Wright and company. The election basically said we will make you president despite of your associations.

Now, if Obama decides to continue the relationships with any of these losers while in office, that's another matter altogether. Invitations to the Lincoln Bedroom, etc.

For the 2012 campaign, the judgment will be made about President Obama's four years in office.

One thing to keep in mind, however, is how President Obama positions himself early for the next election.

Look for organizations like ACORN to receive huge government funds in the ensuing years to get out the vote for Obama 2012. This partisan "non-partisan" organization played a major role in getting out the vote for Obama 2008, and it will only expand its role for the next campaign.

With Democrats controlling Congress and the White House, there is really no police cop to stop the growth of ACORN. The Republicans must find a way to counter there impact and so far there is no effort to do so.

29 Maybe the first thing conservative need to do is find a political party they have some say in.  Don't hate on me.  I'm just suggesting. 

30

I am truly conflicted.  There is this http://tinyurl.com/5jfhxb which I saw over at the Corner - I still go there despite the anti-Palin faction. 

So now - now that their guy will be in charge - they think that we should get along and be friends.  When our guy was in charge it was their DUTY, SIR, to obstruct, to be nasty, to hate. 

But let's let divisions go.  NOW. 

This is just too much like the Democrat version of bi-partisanship, where Democrats get to be partisan, and Republicans get to be "bi." 

And NOW Chris Matthews thinks that his job is to help a Presidency succeed, because, you know, he's an American.

NOW. 

On the one hand I think it is important to respect the President regardless of party, and we are in for some hard times ahead. 

But on the other hand, fuck those fucking cocksuckers.  If they had shown any semblance of this in the past 8 years, maybe. 

I think I just talked myself into going all Kos on them. 

 

 

 

31 a partisan insider like Paul Begala urging at the 11th hour that we now rally around lame-duck Bush in his last few days

Begala has blood flowing into his clit for the first time in 8 years; no wonder he's saying weird shit.  He almost sounds as dumb as Seattle Slough's comment.

32 Sorry, that should be "conservatives."

33 >>>oh, and the chick in the Bahamas.

Now that Obama has been safely elected,  I do expect NE to break that.

34 Can you imagine if a conservative pulled this crap?

Emanuel is said to have "mailed a rotting fish to a former coworker after the two parted ways."[14] On the night after the 1996 election, "Emanuel was so angry at the president's enemies that he stood up at a celebratory dinner with colleagues from the campaign, grabbed a steak knife and began rattling off a list of betrayers, shouting 'Dead! ... Dead! ... Dead!' and plunging the knife into the table after every name."

35

5 At the risk of having my post childishly altered (again), how is Obama unvetted exactly? 

The details of everything you're about to write about have not been reported or presented for consideration by the electorate.

I know more about Obama than any President Elect in my memory. 

That speaks to your memory.

I know what elementary school he went to. 

That's a data point - so you know that Obama was enrolled in a Muslim school as a Muslim by an uncle?  So, when Obama put up an ad about education that featured him in a modern, American classroom with an English alphabet on the wall and bright primary colors and he said "I grew up in a classroom like this." that he was lying?  That kind of stuff?

I have seen his birth certificate. 

Given the circumstances of his becoming incarnate, and the fact that an issue had been made of McCain's citizenship, Obama's birth certificate was relevant.

I know all jobs and schools he has attended. 

This is, well, wrong.  You know *of* the jobs and schools that he claims that he's attended.  That's a Jeopardy! sort of knowledge.  For example, do you know that there is not one shred of independent evidence that Obama attended Columbia University?  Did you know that Obama was hired, because of his skin color, to work as a community organizer and assigned a specific community?  Do you know that, while working as a community organizer, he left that community to work as a community organizer trainer?

Do you know the circumstances of His becoming the Harvard Law Editor in Chief?  The way that about 1/3rd of the Law Review applied for the position?  Obama's late entry?  His selection from among a pool of candidates throughout the course of a Saturday panel review?  That he cooked the panel breakfast as part of the candidate pool?  That Obama just-sorta-ended up as the selection rather than as a definitive choice?  That, after his run as Law Review Editor that nobody can actually say just what the hell Obama accomplished?

That knd of "vetting" stuff?

I have seen his wife's college thesis. 

You know Cindy McCain had a drug problem.

I know what his house looks like. 

But you don't know how he could afford it or the circumstances under which he acquired it.

Give me a break.  This guy has been put through the ringer [sic] so many times, they had to start making shit up about him to have something new to say. 

Sadly, no!  Obama was selected (not elected) to be the Democratic nominee, who got to that position through an series of circumstances which ensured that he would never be vetted.

Chicago state senator - part time gig

Mentored by the political boss

Gamed the system throughout his state office and Senate campaigns to ensure that there was no significant opposition.

The only time Obama got roughed up was during Operation Chaos and - as far as political hardball goes - that was nothing.  The only wonder of the campaign  is that Chris Mathews didn't offer to give Obama an interview with a happy ending.

You know, to relieve Obama's stress.

But that's okay - you're about to learn about all the stuff that you should have known because Obama's the President-elect.  Just do us the courtesy of not acting surpised.

Fair enough?

36 I don't see why people are equating being civil with bending over and taking it in the pooper.  One can be civil and still be a very strong critic.  We'll win more people over to our way of thinking if we are not shrieking nuts.  The media would love to show conservatives as crazed fanatics - lets not give them the opportunity.  Press our new president on issues that matter to us - ABSOLUTELY.  Do it in a way where we can easily be dismissed - NO.

37 Interesting, Seattle, I've never seen Obama's thesis. Or any of his "cough" scholarly law briefs. Never seen his medical records.
Never saw a lot of stuff.

38

I know more about Obama than any President Elect in my memory

Is that so.  I remember hearing Bush's grades while at both Yale and Harvard B school.  I remember hearing about his membership in Skull and Bones.  I remember hearing about his time in the National Gurard, even the parts the left faked.  I remember his DUI, reported days before the election.  I remember hearing about his problems with drinking and how he gave it up and became an evangelical/  Bush's life was an open book.

What can you tell me about Obama's days at Occiental?  How about at Columbia?  Harvard Law?

There is at least a decade of the man's life that were declared off limits, by him, and a willing press and the institutions he worked for and schools he attended helped him cover. 

39 I look forward to listening to Limbaugh's show on NPR. I think the reception may be a little better.

40 I'm really stunned at how Stalinist and thuggish the idea of the Fairness Doctrine is. Conservative opinion has one outlet, -one-talk radio, and that's because market forces have decided it. Now we're going to have government try and bully out the one area that's dominated by conservatives. That liberals are at all cool with that shows how intellectually insecure and myopic they are, and that their sops to "freedom of speech at all costs" is so much horseshit.

41 Obama wasn't vetted by his party, or by the media.

He was vetted by fucking bloggers.

Big. difference.

42 BumperStickerist at November 06, 2008 06:41 PM (GuX8p)

Good job!

43

 Oh, but we'll have our brave RHINO senators to defend us. Hopefully, they'll be reaching across the aisle to protect the first amendment.

To paraphrase Ted Nugent when he was defending his vote for McCain to Glenn Beck:

Stay on their asses.   Congress works for us.  We need to keep reminding them of that fact. 

RE: Whether Obama was vetted.

Most of the info about him was out before election time.  But since it was all coming from GOP sources (none from the MSM) it was dismissed as either Rovian lies or hyperbole.

44 anybody else wanna see what Palin has to say:


http://community.adn.com/adn/node/134082

45 Conservatives don't engage in nearly the violent aggressive talk in which the far left engages. We're the "uptight" party: The party of the perpetually "unhip". Rush and Coulter are about as crazy as we get. They are comparatively tame. We are, as a party, "conservative". Self-indulgent hedonism isn't exactly what we are known for.

46 The talking head Fred Barnes has turned into a complete ass.  He just stated that all O'Bambi has to do is name the Secretary of the Treasury and it will calm the markets.  Fred has been smoking some of that Bambi crack!

47 On the one hand I think it is important to respect the President regardless of party ...

No it isn't.

Respect the office, yes. But not the occupant.

I don't respect Obama, and that's that. I won't support him either.

48 With Democrats controlling Congress and the White House, there is really no police cop to stop the growth of ACORN. The Republicans must find a way to counter there impact and so far there is no effort to do so.

Michelle: and there won't be.

The only way the low information voter is going to wake up is by losing their job, 401k, pension, having their utility bills quadruple, gas to to $7/gallon, etc.

Even then half of them will still the dems are for the little guy.

I can't wait for all of the newly unemployed unionized auto workers, coal miners, steel workers, constructions workers to have to go begging for a greeters job a Wally World.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

49 Silly gun clingers.  America, and the Congress, is a "center right" coalition.  So says Jon Meacham in Newsweek.

http://tinyurl.com/6fz743

50

Sorry we are in a war, not a debate. We have been doing this every time and losing. No quarter. No slack, No kissy face.

51 Fred Barnes is as inside DC as any of the other DC assholes.

52

Bush's life was an open book.

Don't forget, Jackstraw, we HAD to be informed of his 20 year old college student daughters' drinking a margarita at a cheesy Tex-Mex bar. Matt Lauer, consumed with journalistic integrity, snarkily questioned Laura Bush about it on the Today show.

That, sir, is how who keep the public informed. What, Obama's years at Columbia? Sorry, old news.

53 Have no doubt about it, the hammer and sickle have descended upon us thanks to the enlightened voters.

54 And by the way the war has been brought to us. Foriegn campaign contributions, massive fraud. There should be an insurrection not a game of checkers.

55 Fred Barnes is uber DC.

56 Had some liberal on a blog finally look at the video on FM/FM. Here's what she said (I know, unbelievable!):

I’ve taken time to see your video and read some articles with respect to Freddie Mac and Fannie Mac, I just want to say thanks for opening up my eyes to this aspect.

I think it is appropriate that apologize to the conservatives on this site for believing that the Bush Administration were responsible for this financial crisis as it seems that it lies largely with the complete lack of forsight by the Democratic congress particluarly Chris Dodd and Barney Frank.

The sheer lack of understanding and appropriate leadership is unforgiveable.

I still think the best man won but I definately agree that we will need to have a bipartisan government as the Democrats clearly have alot to learn from the republican party.

----
We need to stay on that as well since most ignorant voters had no clue who got us into the financial mess in the first place.

57 I once saw Jenna Bush drunk off her ass sitting on the corner of Wisconsin and M shouting at people laughing late on a weekend night [like 6 years ago]. It was funny. SS guys were trying to get her up and into a car.

UT!

58
JackStraw, BumperStickerArtist:

Good points. Totally agree. I guess what troubles me is that a lot of people probably did know about Obama but voted for him anyway. But that's a separate issue.

59

Over at NRO they offer some good advice:  NEVER call it the "Fairness Doctrine".  Call it "Radio Silence",  or the "Silence Conservatives" Doctrine, or "Squelching Dissent" doctrine, or the "anti-First Amendment" doctrine.

Query for technoids:  will universal wi-fi, audio streaming and satellite radio make the "Radio Silence" doctrine moot?

 

 

60 Seattle, you know trivia.  I could know all those details about any candidate if I cared, which I pretty much don't.

By vetting we mean, for example, asking questions about what he did in Chicago.  Where did the money he spent go?  What did it accomplish?  Was it just a coincidence that he sent government money to his wife's employer, and then she got a huge raise?  Maybe so.  But I don't know, and neither do you.  And if it had been Sarah Palin, we would know.

61

We're the "uptight" party

We're the grown-up party. The party that does things like serve in the military regardless of the commander in chief. The party that always wants America to succeed, even if we don't like the party running it.

They're the party of bumperstickers and temper tantrums.

62

That's a data point - so you know that Obama was enrolled in a Muslim school as a Muslim by an uncle? 

 

The Franziskus Assisi school in Indonesia Obama attended doesn't sound very 'muslim' to me.

63

Agree that "associations" are no longer as relevant in terms of speculating on his true beliefs, policy desires or how he might lead, but any revelations that prove he LIED about his associations will definitely be relevant i.e. did Ayers write his memoir, full extent of Ayers relationship, is there evidence he was at Trinity during some of the tirades etc.

And the research won't stop on 1) Rezko land deal 2) campaign financing 3) lost years at Columbia 4) ACORN connections

And although this may prove to be somewhat less relevant depending on how he leads, I am surprised nobody pursued the point about the "my brothers keeper" rhetoric in relation to being friends with and supporting Rezko while his housing projects were complete failures and screwed the poor in Obama's Chicago district--did Obama ever confront Rezko or just look the other way?

64 You know what would lift people's spirits? A human sacrifice. How about it? Where's SS?

65 I think where we should really seek to extend the Fairness doctrine (if we can't defeat it) is in the schools and UNIVERSITIES!  Equal numbers of conservative teachers and courses for every liberal one.

66 The left were a bunch of douchebags for 8 years and it resulted in their kicking our asses. We were still playing nice after being labeled Nazis and the man we voted for being called Hitler. Hell, these assholes are the party of the 9/11 truthers and they STILL kicked our asses. Somehow, now, trying to criticize democrat policy with dignity will be witnessed by the public as a virtue!?

67

 Sorry, I have to disagree,  we can take the high road to obscurity or we can fight.  I will give Obama the same treatment Bush got from the left for the last 8 years. I want the lefties to be tired of defending Obama over every little thing.  I want the country to be so sick of the negative atmosphere (THAT I HELP CREATE) that they vote in huge majorities of Repubs in the next elections just to get rid of the source of the friction tearing apart the country.  Its a winning strategy, as we are now seeing.

The stock market is down, Impeach Obama.

68 I can guarantee you that if President Obama ever sends troops overseas, I will never hope that their mission fails just because it would be politically useful for the right.  Never.

69 (7) I saw that video and was totally disgusted. Not surprising, though. One of my daughter's friends had a teacher tell her Palin was a racist. Everyone should ask their kids if their teacher has said anything political and put a stop to it.

Oh, and my daughter wrote NOBAMA on her arm today. She had to wash it off. So, I am going to the school tomorrow and complain. Why? Because on Tuesday, I helped with Kid Vote and kids had Obama t-shirts on and wrote Obama on their arms. No problem there. Of couse, my sister and I didn't allow them to vote because the school wanted it to be as "real" as our election rules. I did ask one teacher, "What? They need ID to vote?" She didn't appreciate it. LOL.

70 I disagree.  I'm tired of playing by the rules, being the Good Guys, and doing what's right... and getting fucked.

Especially since their seems to be two set of rules. 

I say we return the favor.  I say it's time for some payback.  I say we treat Obama the same way they treated Bush.  Or Palin.

BLOCK WAAAAAAAAAAAR!

71 Speaking of human sacrifices, where's Diderot's Dog?  Is it possible to masturbate yourself to death?  That I'm still breathing indicates the answer is "no" but I'm just asking.....

72 "With Democrats controlling Congress and the White House, there is really no police cop to stop the growth of ACORN. The Republicans must find a way to counter there impact and so far there is no effort to do so."


Agreed, and the answer is to create our own similar organizations.  As we gather at the upcoming meet-ups, we should strategize on how to implement this.

Their tactics have been successful so it make sense that we should do the same.  And while we're at it we should read Alinsky's Rules for Radicals and everything else written by Ayers, Wright, etc.  We should also download Obama's iphone application and join his website.

They may have been flying under the radar previously, but their methods, tactics, and talking points are available to all. 

73

Victor David Hanson, just as a by the way, was an ardent McCain supporter back in the primary.

Totally rocked the house on that call.

74 What's even funnier is the fact that the CRA is still going to be up and running and taxpayer's are going to be footing the bill for both prosecuting and defending the FM FM execs.

The $700B bailout is only the first installment.

Move your money to the Caymans or Channel Islands while you still can.

75

We owe Hussein O the exact type of respect the democrats showed GWB, Chaney, McCain and Palin. They're not going to like our show of 'respect'. Well be on him like junebugs on a cowpile. Every word he says will be ran through the wringer.

Some wise guy says Hussein O has been vetted. Ok, Show me a true copy of his birth record, show me his school records, Show me his work records where he and his terrorist buddy went through over a hundred million taxpayer dollars without one accomplishment. His record of associating with and lying about his terrorist and criminal friends are out there but covered up by the 'Chicago Mafia ran political machine'. Show me his legistative record in the U.S. Senate which supported America at all. His record of voting here to avoid making a decision is well known in Il. His record of voting to murder a living breathing baby in on file. Make it easy on yourself, just show us the one non-criminal accomplishment which qualified him for any office higher than street sweeper, make that assistant street sweeper. I'd like to invite him to visit, by himself, the far west county in Va which depends on coal. A lot of mine shafts are empty and he wouldn't make a dent in the bottom of a 1300 foot mine shaft, nor would he ever be found.

When everyone gets cold and has no electric power don't call us. We will still have plenty of coal and the ability to heat and cook with it.

I understand there is a big increase in gun sales across the country. Wonder why that is. At least he's good for one segment of the economy.  The stock market looks like millions around the world have the same lack of faith and trust in him as I do.

76 [blah blah blah...asshole trolling is not forgotten...maybe you can appeal to the Fairness Doctrine.]

77 #73 You know VDH is a dem, don't you?

78 Just saw this, makes you wonder:  http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/stevepeters

79

How long before the "reparations" drum beat starts?  And, what recourse will those of us who never owned slaves have?  Will The One have the stones to call it what it is or will he give it a more acceptable name? 

 

80
Torches and pitchforks.

81 I wouldn't piss on obama even if he were on fire. There -- I said it.

82

Bush couldn’t get a judge through Congress for most of his presidency. I couldn’t put a McCain sticker on my car in Oklahoma for fuck’s sake. Why would anyone agree to make it easier on the left than they made it on us.

 

America isn’t indestructible, and I’m going to burn those who are trying to end it. Our ancestors risked their lives for this country – but now we should just play nice and watch it die?

 

That being said, I will, of course, fight with more class than the left, because they are filthy hippies and I’m not.

83
Bob Tyrrell became obsessed with digging into and exposing Clinton's past, thinking that in doing so he would bring him down. He failed. Instead Tyrrell very nearly went insane and his magazine temporarily went under. Maybe there's a cautionary tale for us in his experiences.

On the other hand I do sincerely hope that some sort of conservative group is formed to dig into and expose the past of liberal scumbag journalists.

84 There is no hint of illegitimacy with Obama.

Ban this fucking lobotomized shill, already.

85 he's not my president - he can govern the blue states - screw him

86

I can guarantee you that if President Obama ever sends troops overseas, I will never hope that their mission fails just because it would be politically useful for the right.  Never.

I agree... about foreign wars. And only about foreign wars.

I've got money in the stock market. But if the market is gonna tank it's ass for REAL during an Obama presidency, it'll be saccharine at worst. If the economy is to suffer, let Obama be blaimed avariciously.

And like Rush said, let people learn the price of Obama's policies.

I'm absolutely not at all opposed to sabotaging his domestic policies and bringing upon ourselves ill effects to pin on his ass.

87

Uh, Seattle, you do realize that Palin was running for Vice President and not President, don't you?  She was on the national political stage for 15 minutes and I know more about her life, thanks to a strangely curious msm, than I do about Obama's who was running for over 2 years.

And of course, you don't see anything unusual about that.

 

You're either delusional or a flat out liar if you insist that Obama was vetted more than any other candidate.  I shouldn't rule out the possiblity that you are both.

88 You are exactly right, Xenphon!! We need to start NOW ... two years is going to come up quickly. GOPTrust had 40 million people donate to their org for the Wright ad. I sent them an email requesting they start a membership, similar to moveon.

Don't forget to read Ayers little pamphlet ... Obama’s Constitution. It blueprints getting communist professors into schools to indoctrinate our children and how to quietly plant moles in our electoral system. In Ayers’ own words, how they plan to destroy America from the inside.
zombietime.com

89 yeah we can't compare foreign contributions and acorn ballot box stuffing - take your psuedo pres and hug a tree

90 One line of attack that is now mostly past its expiration date is Ayers/Wright.

True dat.  Now, WHAT'S ON DA MURTHAFUCKIN LA TIMES TAPE?  Dat bitch ain't expired.

91

Don't be too surprised that in addition to stifling free speech on the internet, they decide to start taxing the internet too.

A few years back they wanted to tax e-mails. Under the theory that you had to buy a stamp for regular mail, e-mail should be regulated too. It was also touted as an anti-spam measure.

 

Yeah, on the whole issue of being civil. W. tried that, and look what it got him. So I say what goes around comes around. If they want peace they can surrender anytime they want. Otherwise he's fair game. As of Nov 4th anything that goes wrong in the world is Obama's fault.

So while his deep dark past remains a mystery (is that racist?),  land deals, Mistresses in Martinique REKAB AREV, drug use, tax fraud, campaign finance fraud, and voter fraud are all fair game.

Let's also not let off the heat on Barney "The Boy Lisperer" Frank and his Fannie Buddies, Dodd, Wexler and the rest of Pelosi's crew.   

92 Seattle Slough is a fucking idiot.

Did we see Palin or McCain's transcripts? YES.
Did we see Palin or McCain's medical records? YES.
Did we see Palin or McCain's birth certificates? McCain showed his.

Your messiah showed none of the above.

93

Also, impeach Obama.

Wait, of course, until he actually does something marginally controversially of course.

At least formally. You know.

But plan on it, all the same. If he sneezes and does not cover his mouth, we must impeach him.

94 hahahaha no sense of illegitimacy with Obama ... now there's a hidden joke

95

Seattle Slough -

Of course you know that you can't see Obama's State Senate records.  Public records?  http://tinyurl.com/2yw83b

Haha!

 

96 Saw this on a blog today and it is spot on:

I’ve been amazed by all the left-wingers posting on right-wing blogs the past two days that we should all “shut up, you lost, get over it” and demanding that we end our divisive partisan behavior. These are the same people who have relentlessly bashed every move Bush made since before he even took office. They never gave Bush the slightest benefit of the doubt for eight years.

Now they elect their most left leaning Senator, who sat in a racist church for 20 years, has questionable domestic terrorist connections, has ties to groups engaged in widespread voter fraud, took illegal contributions, spouted socialist ideals, repeatedly played the race card, was never vetted by the media, has the most outrageous postion on abortion imaginable, and is completely unqualified, but we are told to shut up and join with them in worshipping this man.

Do they really believe we will now abandon our principles just because they are in power? Do they really believe that we are going to give Obama the passes that they never gave to George Bush for one second? If so, they better put down their bongs and face reality because IT’S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN! The left has fed the divisiveness and hate for eight years and now will have to lie in the bed they made.

97 your godman needs to step it up-first 2 days of his reign not too prosperous

98 Lindsey Grahamnesty on The Great Uniter's garrote-toter:

“This is a wise choice by President-elect Obama.

“Rahm knows Capitol Hill and has great political skills. He can be a tough partisan but also understands the need to work together. He is well-suited for the position of White House Chief of Staff. I worked closely with him during the presidential debate negotiations which were completed in record time. When we hit a rough spot, he always looked for a path forward. I consider Rahm to be a friend and colleague. He’s tough but fair. Honest, direct, and candid. These qualities will serve President-elect Obama well.

“Rahm understands the challenges facing our nation and will, consistent with the agenda set by President-elect Obama, work to find common ground where it exists. I look forward to working with him in his new position and will continue to do everything I can to help find a pathway forward on the difficult problems facing our nation.”

The RHINO's are gonna be dicktuckers.  Someone has to fight in their stead.

99 No, Obama has been as vetted as any candidate if not more.  His friends, his religion, (quick, name the church that McCain attend? (How about Bush, Clinton, Reagan?).  What was Clinton's GPA at what schools?

Again, trivia.  Real questions about what he actually did in Chicago were not asked.

100 And yes, Seattle, I know Obama won the election.  Unlike you sorry losers, we aren't gonna drag the country through months of recount hell.

101 With Democrats controlling Congress and the White House, there is really no police cop to stop the growth of ACORN. The Republicans must find a way to counter there impact and so far there is no effort to do so.

Clinton County Ohio, my home county, reported 2X as many votes for each candidate than were reported by Comrade Brunner, Bitch Extraordinaire and current Ohio vote Commisar.  I found that out between bouts with internet Pr0n and politically incorrect flash games.  The wonder of the intertubes is the amount of info available to you, the unwashed masses.  Taking a fucking look is actually just optional.

102
Just to remind everyone Seattle is a longtime cocksucking liar who to this day will not admit Gregoire and her King County goons stole the gubernatorial election in 2004. But he'll still be cute and coyly mention that Bush stole the '00 and '04 elections.

103 You can talk yourself blue in the face about getting organized, arguing, fighting with the left but it won't do a bit of good.

Only real, serious economic pain dealt out to the obots will wake a few of them up. The rest will blame everything on Bush or the man.

At the current rate the down will be down to 2,000 by inauguration day. That's a good start.

No honeymoon, no quarter.

104 No slack - no quarter - no mercy if the left wants a war - lets give em one - lets see how big the campus punks are when they are not hiding behind a keyboard or badgering old men and children

105

I am filing a complaint with the FEC on Obama's illegal campaign contributions citing the articles in the New York Times, Washington Post and NRO. It's time to start the harassment maneuvers. That I really think there are several $ Million in illegal contributions that he will have to give back and pay fines on and the scandal that will bring. We need to start bringing down his approval rating. I urge you all to do the same. If he is going to put the government on our ass we might as well return the favor.

106 I'm with you, robtr. Send the idea via email and have them pass it on.

107

Lisping Lindsey Graham has been touching cocks for so long he has forgotten what it's like to be a man.  This pussy should have been unelected long ago.  What a butt sucker. 

108

re:  Obama's school

There's a "serve and volley" aspect to these conversations that's tiresome.  The Left tends to think that every return of serve is a winner, when it's not.  Not even close.

After two years in a Fransciscan school, Obama was enrolled in Jakarta's Belski public (read: Muslim) school. 

oops.  You didn't know that.

109 I will put it together tomorrow and then post it.

110

And Lindsay goddamn Graham..

God help us, if we don't throw everything AND the kitchen sink at him in the next primary and WIN we deserve the Gulags.

111 and I dont mean a talking war ...

112 Thanks, robtr ... you rock ... include all contact info for lazy morons.

113

You know what would lift people's spirits? A human sacrifice. How about it? Where's SS?

How would SS constitute a human sacrifice?

114 I'm all for taking the fight to the liberals but we would be wise to avoid doing so in red-faced anger.  The media will not be as forgiving to us as it has been to liberals.  We saw this in the last month of the election when the media portrayed conservatives at McCain rallies as violent racists.  Calling for Obama to be impeached at the drop of a hat, calling him a Nazi and all the rest may make you feel better but it won't help our cause.  Accurately articulating the negative impact that what any given Obama policy will have is more effective.  They will respond to how we attack them.  If our attacks are tinged with rage and are outlandish then they will respond by calling us nuts (with the medias support).  If we attack them with reason and principled arguments then they must engage us in the arena of ideas - which is exactly where we want them.

115

I think I just talked myself into going all Kos on them.

I'm inclined to join you. The fact is that the dems depend on the republicans being decent and above-board like they depend on the sunrise. They know deep down that, whatever evil they do to us, we won't respond in kind, much like spoiled teenagers who shit all over their parents.

Well, I say it's time for them to grow up and for us to stop indulging their idiocy. They need to learn that their behavior has consequences and that isn't going to happen if we keep giving them a pass because, after all, we're all part of the American family.

I'm not suggesting moonbat levels of vile, but I am suggesting that we give them a significant dose of their own medicine, enough of it that they think long and hard before they steal the car keys and go joyriding again.

116

Would someone on the R side please show some moxy and publicly tell The One if he wants to move to the right, we're here...otherwise pound sand?

The moderate R's can't win ANY election without the conservatives supporting them.  The conservatives don't win elections when they pursue the center...who needs who?  

Time for the Rhino's to move right or move out. 

Immigration, more accepting of pro choice, free spending, gay marriage, bailouts...all have been real winners for the R's...haven't they? 

117 Bald Ninja has an excellent point. We can fight them without being vile and disgusting like they are. They think we cannot get a grassroots org together ... let's prove them wrong.

118
No honeymoon, no quarter.

Absolutely agree. I intend to do whatever I can to obstruct, wreck, ruin, confuse, and confound the Obama presidency. I want his presidency to fail.

Eight years of "Bush/Hitler" and all that crap, and now they want me to respect the president? As Daffy Duck would say: It is to laugh.

They sowed the whirlwind. Now let them reap the storm.

119

I'm going to work to undermine him at every turn except when dealing with national security.

And in my personal life, I'll make things are difficult as posible on lefties. They want every thing to be about politics? Ok, they've got it. I'm dumping my left leaning realtor and will shop and buy gas only in nearby red counties.

All investments will now be made in overseas countries or indices. No more investing in the U.S. Let the Baby Boomers suck on their plummeting portfolios as they approach retirement.

120 bart (I can't believe I am actually arguing with you):

[Actually, you're not. You're being deleted. Welcome to the new America. Hope, change, and censorship by the media. How do you like it? Is it enjoyable? Please tell us and we will ignore you some more.]

121 I could not disagree more Ace.

We need to plant the seed -- that every time Obama makes a decision that harms the majority of the populace, we cite Wright, and God Damn America! and KKK of A! and his hatred of Whites in Ayer's Dreams of Obama's Father, as evidence that ...

Obama hates Whites, here it is in action.

Obama's GREATEST STRENGTH is he's Black. That can be also his greatest weakness. Since he cannot help pandering to White-baiting lunatics like Farrakhan and Wright. Obama is under constant pressure to prove he's "Black Enough" and the Dem Party has moved to an explicit "anti-White Guy" party.

So, take advantage of that. Republicans will get ZILCH Black or Hispanic support. We ARE the party of White Guys, and married women, and the small number of Asians that live in this country. That is who we are. We should not be ashamed of it ... we should use it to our advantage. Obama is in fact a racist and we ought not to shy away from it. Starting now.

Obama hates White Guys and wants to take their guns and Talk Radio away is an excellent message. Simple. Easy to remember and say. And ... TRUE.

122 There's a "serve and volley" aspect to these conversations that's tiresome. The Left tends to think that every return of serve is a winner, when it's not. Not even close.

After two years in a Fransciscan school, Obama was enrolled in Jakarta's Belski public (read: Muslim) school.

oops. You didn't know that.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 06, 2008 07:17 PM (GuX8p)

Didn't know that? No, he probably did and deliberately omitted it.

But, you're right. It gets tiresome. Any time you debate a democrat you know they are either being deceptive, lying, or omitting something relevant. You then have to correct them over and over again.

123

Bald Ninja (#114) is right.  I love the idea of calling Barry out for every stupid little mistake he makes.  In fact, I think we’ll need to do this because the MSM will continue to cover for him. I’m all for unrelenting negativity.

But I don’t think we should resort to the stunts the loony left engaged in (e.g., Bush and Palin effigies, vandalism of private property, vetting private citizens etc.) 

124 there is some talk about pentagon choices too...

http://westhawk.blogspot.com/2008/11/on-jan   uary-20-robert-gates-will-leave.html

fighting like the Kossacks do will only turn off people we are trying to convince to come to our side.  That doesn't mean don't fight.  Winning political wars are all about hearts and minds of the electorate.  High body count of the enemy can look good (we are winning, and people like winners), but we have to minimize casualties from stray fire.  Hit legitimate targets hard, avoid the others.

125

And no, I have no intention of fighting these guys on the turf they want to define.  It has been eight years of listening to these cocksuckers, lie, manipulate, use our troops as tools, do anything and everything in the pursuit of power so they can implement what I consider deeply un-American and dangerous policies. Fuck 'em.

What I have learned about Obama and his palls over the last couple years leads me to believe they are in fact enemies to our way of lfe.  The subscribe to a socialistic if not marxist philosophy. They don't want to tweak little bits of the country, they want to make fundamental and what I consider un-Constitutional changes by packing our courts and using billions of dollars filtered through 527's and other outside groups. I intend to fight against these bastards in any way I can.

Call my unhinged if you want.

126 There is simply no comparison with Bush who, by all accounts would have lost the hand recount under any of the criteria had the recount not been stopped by the Supes.

The election was decided by the Supreme Court.  The recounts continued well into his presidency.  And guess what?  He won.

But you leftists continue to spread destructive lies about the 2000 election, which undermine people's faith in American democracy, and then you accuse Bush of being a divider.

As for what you and Bart are arguing about, I don't know and I don't care.  But stop spreading divisive lies about 2000.  That poisoned the political atmosphere for the last 8 years.  Put it to rest.

127 Free Scooter Libby

128 Well written. Good advice. We are better than the bitter Left. The Hateful Left. The 'tard Left. We have our voices, our internet, our radio's. At least for now. Stand up when needed and remind them all in government, they work for you and me.
God bless the USA.

129

So Rossi's suit in the county he wanted to bring it netted him -3 votes.  He lost.  Fair and square.  There is simply no comparison with Bush who, by all accounts would have lost the hand recount under any of the criteria had the recount not been stopped by the Supes.  Plus, Rossi obviously didn't have the ignominity of also winning the popular vote.

SS, are all liberals as uniformed as you are? To start with I also live in King County and Rossi lost. The reason he lost is that his attornies did a terrible job for him. There were 1,800 illegal votes cast by felons, the judge agreed. He should have called for a new election instead of trying to prove that felons are usually democrats.

As for Bush V. Gore. The Chicago Tribune, New York Times and Miamin Herald did do a hand recount and all three papers said Bush won.

130
Let the Baby Boomers suck on their plummeting portfolios as they approach retirement.

Hey, Warden ... WTF?

Don't blame Baby Boomers for Obama.

It was the cohort of young voters who got Obama elected.

131

I think where we should really seek to extend the Fairness doctrine (if we can't defeat it) is in the schools and UNIVERSITIES! Equal numbers of conservative teachers and courses for every liberal one.

Looove this idea. We should link the two at every opportunity.

132 I don't know and I don't care.

We fighting for your love, sandy.

What the fuck do you think we're fighting for?

Seattle Slough lies and I expose him for the intellectually dishonest, partisan, programmed shill that he is.

133 You know what I don't understand? It's the rush to make nice. I am not saying pettiness is to be desired. But why not realize these guys are my ideological enemies and not to be trusted? I am saying we need to sharpen our philosophical knives and get ready to fillet their coming socialistic surge.

You want to know the truth? It won't matter what you do. They will still assault us with vile hate and specious arguments. I think we have called them on their double standard until we are frankly speechless with disdain. Therefore I don't care how they respond to truth. I am honor bound to oppose them and they are sociopathically bound to try to silence me.

Game on.

134 everyone wants to work together when they have the upper hand. We have learned thru Obama associations how he is going to lead. Don't believe that will change, it will be suttle and of course always in the name of civil rights. Don't let your guard down, still have a long road ahead. Yes I still want to know more about how deep he was into Ayers and Wright the public also needs to know especially how it relates to the decisions he makes. Remember Obama has an army of volunteers, we need to match that and stay on your congressman.
Also need ideas on how to change peoples minds regarding their plan of attack using civil rights as an issue of taking away our rights.

135

In the future, criticism should be offered in unified pro-American tones, rather than anti-Obama screeds. When disagreements arise, they should be couched in a sense of regret rather than ebullition. There should be no conservative counterparts of Bill Maher, Michael Moore, or Al Franken.

 

Yeah good luck with that.  I do not hate I pity.  I will figth with all ammo.  I will be full on anti-liberal  anti marxism from now until we are victorious. 

 

Obama bought the election he owns the problems. 

 

You buy it you own it.

136 Hey! Barney took a bite out of al-Reuters. Good doggy!

137 There is simply no comparison with Bush who, by all accounts would have lost the hand recount under any of the criteria had the recount not been stopped by the Supes.

I'm vetting your bullshit better than your president-elect was.  This is what is in Wiki under Florida election recount:  The media reported the results of the study during the week after November 12, 2001. The results of the study showed that had the limited county by county recounts requested by the Gore team been completed, Bush would still have been the winner of the election.

and

The media recount study found that under the system of limited recounts in selected counties as was requested by the Gore campaign, the only way that Gore would have won was by using counting methods that were never requested by any party, including "overvotes" — ballots containing more than one vote for an office.

138 - Settle down, they will turn on each other soon.
They always do.

tony
south haven,mi

139

Steve,

The Boomers begat Ayers and his ilk who begat Obama . They've collectively shat upon the constitution and the American way of live for 4 decades.

I know that not all Boomers are lefties, but collectively they are the most vile, selfish, and self absorbed generation in American history.

140

133 You know what I don't understand? It's the rush to make nice. I am not saying pettiness is to be desired. But why not realize these guys are my ideological enemies and not to be trusted? I am saying we need to sharpen our philosophical knives and get ready to fillet their coming socialistic surge.

Obama's first appointment and first opportunity to "make nice" in his administration.

Rahm fucking Emanuel

nuf said about making nice

141
Warden --

Okay, that's the booze talking. I'm just going to back away from this. For now.

142 I have no intention of being vile and petty, I have every intention of being ruthless and relentless. I like fighting in the shade ... bring it!

143 if the Fairness Doctrine applies to the airwaves, could it apply to other mediums?  satellites are in US airspace and the internet was created by DARPA and currently run by ICANN.  Sounds like ace is going to have to run a joint venture with huffington or markos moulit-umm-sitas

144 Tomorrow is the jobs report

145

#129 robtr - Seattle Slough is not uninformed, he is dishonest. 

There is a difference.

146 - Baby Boomers suck.
Alway have ..Always will.

tony
south haven,mi

147 I know that not all Boomers are lefties, but collectively they are the most vile, selfish, and self absorbed generation in American history.

As a boomer, that comment really got to me; I haven't felt so bad since I accidentally ran over Mom with the Mercedes. You wouldn't believe how big a dent that old bag put in the hood!

148

If you're going to hispander, the way to do it is not the way they have been doing it, by going liberal for their votes.

Flood radio (RADIO!) with your boilerplate Baby Jesus stuff. There's a zillion mexicans in the Chicago area listening to spanish language radio all day long while they work.

You want hispanic votes? Get on those stations, and I say the tact to take is play to your strengths. Social conservatism. "Dems with thier public no-choice schools want to turn your children into gay atheist pornstars". How bout the voice of a little girl coming home from school and asking daddy about what they learned today? 'Papi, what if Mary had an abortion?'.

149 Has anyone seen McCain on T.V. yet defending Palin? I know I haven't. Where is all the honor Jonny? He had no problem defending obama, but not a peep out of him about all of the horrible shit being said about Palin. This woman agreed to be his VP uprooted herself and her family, energized the party and he turns around and shits on her. What a dirtbag. I'm so freaking pissed of at him right now I could spit.

150

I have every intention of being ruthless and relentless

I like that. No, I won't be vile either. Petty? Yeah, maybe a little.

151

fighting like the Kossacks do will only turn off people we are trying to convince to come to our side.

Really?  Then how did acting like unhinged douchebags for the last 8 years get the far left almost veto proof majoirities in both houses of Congress and the White House?

Some of you guys are still not getting it. There was no grass roots welling up against Bush.  It was a highly coordinated effort by very wealthy people and included the msm to a large degree.  There has been a lot of talk about astroturfing over the last few months of the election.  Faking a grassroots uprising to make Obama look even more popular and inevitable than he was.

Well guess what, the Shadow Party has been doing it to this country for years.  Media Matters, Kos, ACT Blue and dozens and dozens more are all funded by the Soros machine.  Didn't anyone ever wonder why messages would appear on virtually all left leaning blogs and places like Matthews and Olbermann almost simultaneously?

http://tinyurl.com/5c2bo7

Don't think big media has been involved?  Read this.  Look closely and you will see the name Henry Rivera.

http://tinyurl.com/5o6anv

This is a war and inspirational messages or high minded debate alone are not going to get it done.

They brought a knife.  I intend to bring a gun.

152 We don't have to be vile and petty to attack Obama, there is plenty to attack on that are serious concerns. His campaign finance for one thing. What we lack is a news outlet with investigative reporters. It would be sweet if we could somehow recruit the Palestra Goddesses.

153 "communications policy as a civil rights issue"

Not that freedom of speech has ANYTHING to do with "civil rights"...

154 I have sat through eight years of "kill bush " rallies, every dirty trick in the book to undercut him, and the treasonous activity of Moveon.org and answer. Done with the Mr. Nice Guy stuff

155 read what cristoph linked.
 and then get used to thinking differently about "this is just another crazy democrat" we elected.
 it isn't....and if we don't figure out what to do America will be just a memory....and that is exactly what barry has in mind.
 do not fool yourselves...the time for playing nice is O-V-E-R.
 and we should talk about it while we can....

156 How come we always have to be the nice ones? We need to quit being fucking doormats for the left.

157 3 feet of snow in South Dakota, this global warming shit has got to stop.

158

Settle down, they will turn on each other soon.
They always do.

I agree that they’ll turn against each other soon.  Obama has support from people with deeply varied interests.  He has far left types that want socialism and moderate business people Dems that have been suckered into thinking he’ll govern like Clinton.  He also has Hispanics and union voters who clash on immigration reform. 

Lastly, I think it’s important to not assume all Barry’s voters are true blue Kool Aid drinkers.  He got a lot of votes from people who were motivated by their anti-Bush sentiments, desire for anything but more of Bush’s policies, and disgruntled centrist Dems that think Republicans are intolerant assholes.  The truth is Barry’s core, most loyal coalition is made up of only three groups: Blacks, college kids and latte liberals.  Everyone else is subject to disillusionment if we’re careful how we handle Barry’s presidency. 

159 >Tony LaVanway:  Baby Boomers suck.
Alway have ..Always will.<

Watch it, there, cupcake.

160 His pick of Rahm reminds me of his New Party membership.  Rahm is his hardass sheepherding link to the Congress.  the New Party was created because the Dem party just wasn't good enough for the purer lefties, and so they created a new party from which to launch from.  It also links to his unwillingness to "spread the wealth" to help fund fellow Democrats.

161

ehhh...I'm not trying to start a generational fight. My in-laws are Boomers. Love 'em . Salt of the earth.

I know lots of great Boomers.

But as a group? Die faster please.

162 Maobama....petty enough? I think it's 1st too .

163

JackStraw, its more like they brought a knife and we brought some pointed but not quite harsh language. 

 

164 Me, I like 'Barochester' myself. As in Jack Benny's radio sidekick, Rochester.

'Barochester!'

'Yes, Mr. Soros?'

Waddya think, too racialist?

165 check out the creepy change.gov site and discover that soon even your middle schoolers will be required to do 50 hours of community service every year.
 how long till bill ayers is officially named the head of education?
 make nice?
 not going to happen.

166 What's the very first thing Obama will do in office?

He's going to instruct his new AG to 1) fire all of the conservative and moderate US Attorneys and 2) dig dirt on all Republicans (using FBI files and other sources a la Clinton) and begin investigations. That how he's going to get reelected -- by constantly keeping his political enemies on the defensive.

So fuck all of this "let's work together" shit. Obama's first order of business is to destroy the GOP.

167

Case in point - Dirty Harry calling in Lieberman and they had some supposed dust up about his status. I don't know what's really going on. Maybe for real maybe not. I like Joe, appreciate what he did - but lets man up and take it across the goal line. If Harry threatens him just say fine - I'll just switch to republican and til the next election help you evil bastards. Then he can go on his merry way into the sunset. If you think some strong words are going to fix this - the joke is on you. We need action and sacrifice, just like the people who gave ALL to start this great experiment.

168

You're going to bring up financing?  Like Democrats care, like anyone cares.  Remember how much all that Chinese fundraising hurt Clinton and Gore. 

Fuck that.  Find his drug dealer.  You know he had one. 

 

 

169

Ace,

don't you see? this is how the Left gets away with all their crap... they throw a hissy fit and we give them what they want to shut them up, then when it's our chance to throw a fit, we don't do it, (good of the country and all) and that's how we get what we got, we play the game by their rules and we wonder why we lose? even when we win, we lose, why? because we always compromise and they never do, and so the line gets ever further to the left and never further to the Right.

sometimes you have to fight fire with fire and until we conservatives accept that we will keep losing

no compromise for me... i'm sick of compromise

and Obama is not my president, i will disrepesct him, belittle him and cast incredible despersions and falsehoods on his person, i will blame him for every single problem in the world, and i will teach the children in my family to hate him. I will treat him exactly like the Bush-haters treated Bush except times 10.

 

and to all you RINO's out there, fuck off and die! sarah palin drew the crowds, not McLame   

170 No they brought a gun and we have sat in the back room wetting ourselves. Screw that.

171 OT, but: Ha ha ha - Barney the dog bites a reporter.

172

Excellent Entropy (#14.   I totally concur. Barry’s Hispanic voters are not Obama Kool Aid drinkers.  They love the Clintons, not him.  They can be won back.  If Barry stays true to his far socially left ways he’ll provide the ammunition.  It’s a matter of keeping up with what he’s doing.

173

Fuck that.  Find his drug dealer.  You know he had one.

Finding drug dealers that survived 30 years might be hard for me. On the other hand the FEC just takes an email.

174 rob@167....my ancestors were some of those people.mayflower/american revolution and then one of them signed the declaration of independence and this just breaks my heart.
 to see this great country being thrown under barry's bus like this.
 to think all it's going  to take to destroy America is a piece of trash like obama... i never believed that we would be facing something like this. and that's why we are.because NONE of us ever thought this would happen. screw being nice, we have to be crafty, smart, organized and vicious. the time for nice is over.
 my dad was a fighter pilot in WW2 and korea and i have never seen him this worried....and he doesn't worry easily.
 ace....you still don't get it. this isn't like any other election. this will destroy us.
 we cannot afford to be nice.
 and i'm pretty sure there were a lot of people that wanted to be "nice" before the american revolution too...........

175 They brought a gun. The GOP brought flowers with a straight razor hidden in them, which they used to carve up Palin and their base.

176

The treatment meted out to Sarah Palin in this election was beyond disgusting.

The good folks that brought us "Sarah Palin is a C*&t" t-shirts now want us to make nice. After eight years of Chimpy McHaillibuton and being called fascists I'm all out of goodwill.

These folks are always arguing "The personal is political." That is why most of them are social retards. Sometimes, the personal is just a matter of taste.

You want to see Nuremburg twerps, look at that "Yes We Can" chant in Grant Park led by the new Fuhrer. If the jackboot fits...

177

Then they offered Obama the flowers.

178 Shoey
"and Obama is not my president"


I agree with you generally, but he is my president. He won a majority of the vote=democracy.

In the words of Mario Coumo "the people have spoken, now the must suffer the consequences." I think I butchered the quote, but you get the idea.

179

And thus the resistence is born. 

Wolverines!

180

Fuck those fucking motherfuckers.  VDH can kiss my ass.

Let's review:

Granny Nancy McBotox spent the last four years saying nothing but "failure, failure, failure."  It got to the point where Ring Around The Collar was Bush's fault.  She and Harry Reid declared the Iraq war LOST and tried their damnedest to lose it, all to score political points and turn Iraq into another Vietnam that the Democrats could run against for another 30 years. 

The entire Valerie Plame "scandal" was made up out of whole cloth by the Kerry campaign, in conjunction with David Corn.  It planted the "Bush lied" meme that Democrats rode all the way through the 2006 elections.  Then they pulled the Dan Rather bullshit with the fake TANG memos to try to nail George W. Bush.  Only thanks to Buckhead and Charles Johnson did they not get away with it.

Ray Nagin refused to call a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans, left 200 school buses unsused, and made no contingency plans for getting people out of the Superdoem or the Convention Center after Katrina.  But Granny McBotox and Dingy Harry were right there to blame Bush.

No terrorist attacks on U.S. soil since 9/11.  But all Granny says is "we are not safer" and the media laps it up like beaten bitches.

They started websites, made movies, wore T-shirts, ran protests with hanging effigies and Hitler photoshops constantly in order to destroy the President and the Vice President of the United States.

Now they have foisted the biggest empty suit in history on us as President.  For all we know, he may have lived with Bill Ayers in New York for four years and helped him build bombs. 

These motherfuckers proved they will lie, publish forged documents, and try to lose a fucking war in order to gain power.

And NOW I'm supposed to take the high road and go all National Review?

Not on your life.

FUCK 'EM.

181
One thing everyone can do right now is resist the temptation to burn bridges with their friends and associations who voted for Obama.  I would sincerely enjoy telling some of my friends to get fucked, and hope that ending a friendship over their vote would send a message.

However, those most enamored with Obama will be the most disillusioned once they begin to question his policies.  Many college students and first time voters were caught up in his demagoguery and the excitement participating his campaign.  They voted on promises and rhetoric, not principle.  "Hope" and "change" have broad appeal, but only so far as they remained safely undefined.  Just like the movie is never as good as the book, Obama can never live up to the 65 million versions of himself that exist in the minds of the voters.  When they begin to turn, you want to be there.

Restrain yourself, let Obama's own actions (or inactions) plant the seeds of discontent, and then capitalize on your friendship and their newfound receptiveness to make your case.

We must plan on making a GOTV effort of an even larger magnitude for the 2010 elections.  Obama won this election by offering the chance for people to act on their discontent, we can do the same.

182  Wolverines!

183 Republicans and conservatives who don't want to go to political war with Barry and his thugs....
You are not going to have the luxury of sitting this one out because he is coming towards you whether you want it or not.
And he aint holding any unicorn.

184 Xenophon@181....you are totally wrong.
 there will be no more free and clear elections in this country again.
 don't believe me? check out washington state, or chicago for reference.............

185 that alaska independence movement is looking pretty good right now, isn't it?

186

I'm from Buenos Aires, and I say kill 'em all!

Johnny rico.  Federation hero

187

Obama's not going to destroy all the GOP. He's going to go after popular governors who successfully blend the social and fiscal planks in the GOP platform. He'll leave crooks and RINOs well alone.

He'll also leave Jindal, Perry, and Huckabee alone, if he's smart (and he is smart).

It's like pruning a bonsai tree. Trim the people with broad appeal from the other party; allow those with only regional and sectarian support to thrive.

188
Many college students and first time voters were caught up in his demagoguery and the excitement participating his campaign.  They voted on promises and rhetoric, not principle.

Argh, today's college students, don't get me started! Collectively they are the most vile, selfish, and self absorbed generation in American history.

189 There won't be any fairness doctrine as such, there just will be rules in place that make any business who runs Rush or similar shows incredibly disadvantaged. They will try to destroy Clear Channel etc, and in the name of "local control" try to prevent big companies from syndicating major shows over multiple states. They will throw stacks of cash at stations to run products other than talk radio, etc.

190 - Im a child of baby-boomers.

I love my parents,step-parents,aunts and uncles.
But, im going with Warden on this one.



tony
south haven,mi

191 Shoot a nuke down a bug hole, you got a lot of dead bugs

192 Come on you apes, you wanna live forever?

193
Im a child of baby-boomers.

Argh, children of Baby Boomers, don't get me started! Collectively they are the most vile, selfish, and self absorbed generation in American history.

194

and my personal fav  because it also applies to the dems:

 

We must meet this threat with our courage, our valor, indeed with our very lives to ensure that human civilization, not insect/dems, dominates this galaxy *now and always*!

195

#168

i am aware that legally he is the President, and i have no intention of committing any sort of illegal act, but my thoughts are still my own... for the time being

 

196 Ain't it great how they want to be your friend right after they rip your guts out?

197 This is Roughneck Two-Zero-One. I request retrieval now! This place crawls, sir!

198

Oh, and the Fairness Doctrine thing is a total TRAP.  It's a diversionary tactic they are launching because they know it's a hot button for our side.  While we're all getting organized and sharpening the pitchforks to fight the FCC, they'll be passing Card Check and giving ACORN another $100 million of our tax money and repealing the class action reform and bankruptcy reform laws, passign the Kyoto treaty, reinstituting the ban on offshore drilling, declaring CO2 a pollutant, and loads of other left wing bullshit that will fuck up the economy and destroy business for a generation.

We have GOT to keep our eye on the ball, people.  These guys are Marxists, but they are not Stalinists.  They are going to play us like fiddles if we let them.  WE CAN'T LET THEM.

199 Ain't it great how they want to be your friend right after they rip your guts out?

Like one of my former girlfriends. But she was a Baby Boomer, naturally, so whaddya expect?

200 These are the rules. Everybody fights, nobody quits. If you don't do your job I'll kill you myself. Welcome to the Roughnecks

201

oops! #178

sorry, ace should put a "preview" function in... doh! he did, and i didn't use it, lol

 

202 All right, let's sum up. This year in history, we talked about the failure of democracy. How the social scientists of the 21st Century brought our world to the brink of chaos. We talked about the veterans, how they took control and imposed the stability that has lasted for generations since. We talked about the rights and privileges between those who served in the armed forces and those who haven't, therefore called citizens and civilians.

203

Let us piss on their joyous rapture. 

 

Conservative isn't a party, but I wish it was.

Posted by: mare at November 06, 2008 06:30 PM (X1fsj)

It is in New York.

204 My God. How could this happen?
We thought we were smarter than the Bugs

205 One line of attack that is now mostly past its expiration date is Ayers/Wright.

Really?  Just like Dan Rather decided in 2004 that the whole Texas National Guard thing was past its expiration date?  Hello?  Remember memogate?

Why the hell should we let them bring up past shit while we take the high road?  Tell you what, you and I should get into a fight.  But you fight using the Marquis de Queensbury rules.  Me?  I'll just kick you in the balls and scratch your eyes out.  And when I'm doing this to you, you feel free to take the high road. 

Anyway, the point of the above is that if you allow people to get away with bad behavior, don't be surprised if you don't get a whole lot more of that bad behavior.  The only way to keep them from doing this to us in the future is to make it too painful for them to do it again.

After all, why did you post the address to the Seattle Stranger when they published the addresses of those people in Seattle with McCain signs?  Because they needed a taste of their own medicine.

The left has been playing dirty pool for the last 8 years.  Time to get a taste of their own medicine.

Your buddy Steve Snate (sic?) is a historian.  What kept Hitler from using chemical warfare against us?  Was it because we took the moral high ground and committed not to usin it?  No.  Because he feared our horrible reprisal if he used chemical weapons first.

Same thing here.  The dems have to feel the same pain too in order to keep them from doing the same to us.

206

Wow, ol' Vic--and not a few commenters here--appears to have forgotten the 90's completely (and him an historian).  They were good times, practically unrivalled for peace & prosperity, certainly greater than anytime since. The only buzzkill?  Friggin' insane conservatives, crawling out of the woodwork, accusing a sitting president of drug-dealing, murder, rape, in addition to the usual tropes about marxism, abuse of power, blah, blah, blah.

Pardon me, Vic, if don't hold much hope that this time they'll act any better. Hell, Limbaugh was practically hissing on his show today.

207 Ol' Dolf is unhinged.  And they wonder why we slap away the falsely extended hand of friendship.

208

They brought a gun. The GOP brought flowers with a straight razor hidden in them, which they used to carve up Palin and their base.

You know what, I'm beyond all that.  I know I will get heat for saying this but enough of the past and enough of who is conservative enough to satisfy us.  Hell, I'm pretty damn sure I'm not conservative to satisfy a large percentage of you.  These arguments are becomming more pointless by the second.

We can bitch about Palin and McCain and who got screwed this election season but it is pointless now.  We lost because our message, whatever it was, didn't resonate with enough people.  Where McCain lost was not conservatives.  He got abused with the same group that decides ever election, the Independents who went in big numbers to Obama.  His message, even if we all believe it to be bullshit, was the same optimistic and energenic kind Reagan used to build a coalition well beyond a core of conservatives.  We need our political leaders to understand that and move to create a more inclusive and optimistic message that reaches more people.

What we need to do now is work to expose the very dishonest and equally dangerous people who are in DC and attempting to take this country in a radically different direction than they promised or most are aware of.  Every time a the Libs institute a program or a ruling it stays forever and all we can do is hope to minimize the damage.  Social Security, welfare, Roe v Wade...... all that shit becomes the baseline and then we spend the rest of our time trying to figure out how to work around the damage.  Well we are in a financial period when we are weak, people are weak, and they will grasp at big government solutions that promise relief.  Just like during the Great Depression. 

Totalitarianism and fascism are on the rise.  Wars and situations that are threatening to spin out of control are everywhere.  The Russians are massing missles on the their borders, the Syrians are massing troops on the Lebanese border, Kim is playing games with his nukes again, Pakistan is roiling, Iran is has just announced they have missles that can reach Europe and their nuclear development continues apace.  We are in a period that is unnervingly similar to the time just before WWII.  And Obama is our new President.

There are bad times ahead and I really don't care about how badly McCain's aides are treating Palin.  I am a lot more concerned with what is going to happen in the next 6 months.  We all better be. Our 401Ks might soon be the least of our worries.  And I am not counting on the msm to help spread the alarm.  It better come out of places like this or we are going to be well and truly fucked.

209 - Steve
Where do you think we learned it,nugget?

tony
south haven,mi

210

174 I hear you - and to the suggestions of wolverines I like it. Booyah! I love that movie. And to the entire legally president issue ... says who. The voter fraud was so massive people have just given up talking about it. Foreign donations. Donations by cartoon characters. Thugs with night stics at polls. GOP poll watchers kicked out of polls. Legal my ass. These people work for us. This sound familiar ....

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government

211

The only buzzkill?  Friggin' insane conservatives, crawling out of the woodwork, accusing a sitting president of drug-dealing, murder, rape, in addition to the usual tropes about marxism, abuse of power, blah, blah, blah.

Well, that and digging through the FBI files of your opponents, taking money from the Chinese in exchange for access to classified technology, and using the power of the IRS to silence your critics.

212

Dolf Fenster

 

yeah good times...good times...giving away money to subprime folks, getting Blowjobs in theoval office,  allowing our embassies to be blown up, our ships to be blown up, our soldiers to be dragged thru the streets of a third world hell hole.....good times...bombing entire countries into submission, trying to tak over 1/7th of the national economy....good times that for sure...  good times

213 The first thing these assholes due that violates our founding documents we need to come up with options ... I didn't say violent ... just options.

214

We lost because our message, whatever it was,

"Whatever it was"

That is a good message.

Nobody even knows.

There was no message.

How could there be a message?

http://tinyurl.com/2q67zo

There can't be a message with that. We have no message. We have some wrinkly old dude who thinks he's earned it.

Thus is the problem. The cure is obvious.

215 Now where can I find (other than U of Mich) a Wolverine t-shirt

216

McCain never made the case for conservativism. Instead he tried to ape (RACIST!) Obama with watered down populist attacks on Wall St greed and goody bags to various interest groups.

Hell, before Joe the Plumber came along, he had nary a word to say about Obama's socialism.

We need someone who can advocate for conservatism. It's a very common sense philosophy at its heart, but none of our leaders seems to be able to make the case for it.

 

 

217

Looking ahead to coming battles, as Ace himself observed, we need a schwerpunkt.

That is conservatism.

It is the only thing that will mobilize and organize an army large enough to win an election.

218

New message for 2010 elections.

 

"Have you had enough hope and change yet?"

219 Nobody is suggesting that we play nice or that we go easy on Obama or any other Donk.

However, we should be focused and intellectually honest in our criticism and opposition.  We should not indulge ourselves in death fantasies, Hitler metaphors or any other form of mouth frothing.

Getting deranged is bad for the soul.  Do you think these jackholes are happy people?  Do you think our asshole trolls are happy people?  They aren't.  They can't be.  One of the things I'm going to really enjoy over the Obama presidency is watching the disillusionment of the cultists once they realize that the ocean hasn't been healed and they still have to pay for their gas and mortgages.

So we shouldn't allow ourselves to develop ODS, not for their sake but for ours.  Fuck them.  I'm not going to develop an ulcer over these morons, and you shouldn't either.

220

We need someone who can advocate for conservatism. It's a very common sense philosophy at its heart, but none of our leaders seems to be able to make the case for it.

That is because conservatism leads to less power.  Our leaders have been suduced by power.  To them more power is the answer not less.   No one not tied to principles would voluntaryly give up power. 

 

Conservatism and government does not make a good couple if you want to stay in power.  The more power you give to the people the less they need you.  Thus the attacks on Palin

221 "Have you had enough hope and change yet?"

Ha ha!  See?  I think something like that could be very effective for us down the road.

Another one that I think we can safely indulge is complaining constantly that Obama hasn't healed us.  It can be our version of "BUSH SAID HE WAS GOING TO UNITE US, BUT HE DIDN'T _{(even though we will never acknowledge that we were intractable cocksuckers who would never under any circumstances allow ourselves to be united)}."

Obama said he'd heal us, but we aren't healed!  He lied!

222 jackstraw.  their side was never really countered by conservative leadership.  If you tell a lie long enough and loud enough, then people start to believe it.  "You can only hear the richard gere-gerbil story so much until you think there might be something to it".  The media shaped public opinion.  And Republican corruption and incompetence didn't help either.  People didn't become enamored with the Democrats, they became disgusted with the Republicans.  Bush, whether he wanted to stay above the fray out of respect for the office or just thought his opponents would be shown to be liars, did not fight back.  I respect his reverence for the office, but I cannot stand his allowance of lies and deception to propagate. 

Yes, the media was against all of us; they invision themselves as powerbrokers in the future politboro.  So we have to go around them, like Reagan did.  For example, I have for years said that our good guys in office should be holding townhalls and local media interviews (and I don't mean local conservative radio) to go straight to the people on a somewhat regular basis.  If the gatekeeper blocks you, take him out of the equation.  The people we need to convince to vote our beliefs probably do not listen to Rush or Sean or Glenn et al.  They don't read our blogs. They get their news from around the watercooler and some from tv.  Many roll their eyes at the "spooky voice" negative ads.  You get a girl to give head by punching her in the face and then saying "suck my cock you filthy cunt"?  It's basic psychology man.

The Dems won in 2006 because the war had been waged poorly up to that point and for some odd reason people thought the economy was bad, even though they were personally doing well.  The Dems won this time because we had McCain as our standard-bearer and he couldn't spell economics, let alone speak the language.  Oil prices were a big issue too, but that was never pushed hard either.  Frankly, most Repubs can't speak the language of economics and translate it well to ordinary folk - we either get "uuhhs" and blank stares from McCain, "quit bitching" from Gramm or populist nonsense from others who don't matter.  People don't like hearing that.  Obama, even though he totally bastardizes the concepts so he can inflict this country with his foolish policies, can at least speak the language.  The dumb masses found comfort in that.  McCain couldn't even argue his own policies; exhibit A: the individual health care credit.  Fantastic idea, but he wouldn't challenge the bogus criticisms.  That's why I call McCain the seppuku candidate.  He ran an effective insurgency campaign, but quickly switched to seppuku tactics.

We need to fight, fight like our country depended on it (b/c it does). We need competent standard-bearers and discard the gimps.  We need to keep and improve good tactics and discard the bad ones.  The Roman legions crushed their far more numerous opposition in Gaul and elsewhere through far superior tactics.  Our numbers aren't nearly as small as theirs were.  The Democrats appeal to people's baser instincts; we need to weaken that and dominate the areas of nobler intent.  We can do it, we just have to be smart about it.

223

We need to walk the line between just rolling over and taking it and becoming the deranged crazies the lefties have been these past few years.  Keeping an edge of mockery instead of trading it for ODS shrieking will do more damage.

We can highlight, underscore, and make known Rainbrow Bright's every move and every failure without the vitriol and hatred, because that just makes us blind. It's much easier to sharpen and aim the knives when you're not foaming at the mouth. 

224 Shit. Didn't change my sock puppet.

225

OBAMA LIED UNICORNS DIED!

 

 

NO ... OIL! THERE'S NO DAMN OIL!

226

"There are bad times ahead and I really don't care about how badly McCain's aides are treating Palin.  I am a lot more concerned with what is going to happen in the next 6 months."

 

i'm very concerned about both and more, one of which is, exactly how we are going to rid ourselves of the current GOP leadership? they have to go, Cantor may survive but the rest have to go and be replaced by younger, smarter and more conservative ones.

your arguement leaves them intact... not something i can stomach

 

227

McCain never made the case for conservativism. Instead he tried to ape (RACIST!) Obama with watered down populist attacks on Wall St greed and goody bags to various interest groups.

Not disagreeing with you at all.  But this election is over and the wolf is at the door.  Many wolves.

I know many aren't ready to put the election and the recriminations behind them yet.  I hope they get their soon.  We have a couple hundred thousand troops in harms way and countless other challenges, foreign and domestic.  We need to use the platforms to fight the next battles not the last. 

Spending our time arguing now about what conservatism means and how it cost us the last election is less powerful than showing people how wrong the response of our current beyond liberal leadership is.

228

 Kensington at November 06, 2008 08:51 PM (xFNQx)

 

you can pity them and win,  you can hate them and win, you can even screw them over and win  but you can not play patty-cake with them and win.  

Intellignet arguements are fine.  But like the Dow today.  Ace is saying well maybe it's not really Obama's fault.  that there are other factors invovled , blah blah blah. 

I don't care!.  Yes other factors yes.  But there is enough facts and evidence to place the blame on Obama.  You can be 100% honest or you can go for the juguler when given the oppurtunity. 

 

Our major right wing bloggers pulled their punches today.  We can not do that and expect to win.  The dow crash is totally on Obama.  he bought it he owns it.   the libs come back with jobless figures blah retail sales blah  blah blah  we come back with hisotric selloff.  never been seen before . 

 

We fight.  We don't pull the punches.  We sear into the brains of america that from this point forward their misery is do to democratic policy or planeed democratic polices ot even dreamed up democratic polices.

229 Not foaming at the mouth just reading the decalration of independence - taxation without representation

230 Posted by: Veruca Salt at November 06, 2008 08:54 PM (Hjij/)

Exactly!  They think we're evil.  I just think they're profoundly unwise, like children before they've learned reason.

231

Exactly!  They think we're evil.  I just think they're profoundly unwise, like children before they've learned reason.

 

i think they are insane uneducated brainwashed zombies but i could be wrong.

232 JackStraw@208...
 
 EXACTLY!

 and rob...how about we design one?
 and you have some very good points:

"And to the entire legally president issue ... says who. The voter fraud was so massive people have just given up talking about it. Foreign donations. Donations by cartoon characters. Thugs with night sticks at polls. GOP poll watchers kicked out of polls. Legal my ass. These people work for us."

 actually you have a lot of very valid and very good points.
 i have to agree, president my ass..........

233

My opinion is that the GOP didn't have a farm team system. We need to get involved locally and recruit people to start filling offices from the local level up. Good leaders in local offices can change peoples votes in national elections.

234

Another bumber sticker for 2010

 

"remeber when the DOw was 9511 before Obama?  good times...

235 our dear is our freedom ... to the point of give me liberty or give me death ... or give me my starbucks and I'll go back to sitting on my ass in front of the TV whining

236 jackstraw.  just read your next comment, and it looks like we are closer in opinion than before.

my point is that we need to be tactically smart and keep up the fight.  I agree that there may well be bad things in the near future.That is why we need to fight and fight intelligently.  If we sound like some lunatic fringe to the dumb masses, then it will only strengthen the support for fascist policies.  Some variant of fascism is the government of choice throughout history for a reason - it is popular.  We need to be able to counter it effectively and make our ideas more popular.

237

#98 Lindsey Grahamnesty on The Great Uniter's garrote-toter:
"This is a wise choice by President-elect Obama. "

 

God how I hate this man.  I live in SC & he was all I had to choose from...and he was just re-elected.  He's such a friggin RINO wuss.  He, and those like him, are what's destroying the GOP.  Until we dump these pansy assholes, we're sunk.  They stand up to nothing!  Listen to that Grahamnesty crap already.  Ass kissers...all of them.

Btw, there is no way in bloody hell I'm going to give a free pass to Obama.  The hypocricy of the left knows no bounds.  He's going to be afforded the exact same treatment the Dems gave Bush...and Cheney...and McCain...and Palin.  Every move, he will be held accountable...as will Reid, Pelosi & their entire slimy motley crew.  That's one silver lining in this hideous nightmare.  Whatever happens, it all falls in their laps. 

I will NEVER respect Obama, President of our country or not.  He is not a respectable man.  Fuck him.  I respect the office, but not a man of his character.  As far as I'm concerned, he is not my president & I won't address him as such.  I'm a free agent, so to speak. 

(can't get the italics off!)

 

 

238 232 president my ass ... now there's a t-shirt! I suck at designing stuff but I know good when I see it ... any artists on here... I am sure you can make wolverines look cool. ordered my "don't tread on me - give me liberty or give me death t today

239 my point is that we need to be tactically smart and keep up the fight.  I agree that there may well be bad things in the near future.That is why we need to fight and fight intelligently.  If we sound like some lunatic fringe to the dumb masses, then it will only strengthen the support for fascist policies.  Some variant of fascism is the government of choice throughout history for a reason - it is popular.  We need to be able to counter it effectively and make our ideas more popular.

Posted by: A.G. at November 06, 2008 09:06 PM (JoIvi)

 

In that regard we must immediately switch and be agains tthe patriot act.  They will never recend the act but we can say we as conservative vaule freedom and liberty over the fasict state. 

From this day forward I am against the patriot act.  was never to fond of it anyway.

240 On the bright side, there will still be porn, and they will probably legalize marijuana.

241 Posted by: unseen at November 06, 2008 08:57 PM (aVGmX)

I'm sympathetic to what you're saying, but if you don't care about being intellectually honest, you're on your way to ODS, and that's not going to be good for you.

Look, we're conservatives, and there's no need to be irrational to score wins.  I'm not talking about anything milquetoast like President Bush's "new tone" nonsense.  I'm just advising against frothing at the mouth, which is what starts to happen when you say "I don't care" whether something is true or not.

Listen, I'm sick inside over Obama's victory, but I dearly hope I'm wrong about that.  If, four years from now, things are going well, I don't want to be so caught up in hating the guy that I can't acknowledge it.  Now, is that likely?  Of course not, but you have to remain open to the possibility whilst at the same time mounting a rational, yet unrelenting opposition.

Dude, I'm sure you've seen Moonbats up close and personal, right?  Do you want to become that?  Yeah, they won, but is that worth becoming like that?  They might have won in 2004 if they hadn't been such batshit lunatics.

242

Look for small, incremental steps disguised and named as other things rather than obvious, in our faces attempts to destroy liberty and the nation's foundations.

Obama and his crew are too smart, I think, to go the heavy handed route. This will make it even harder for us to stop him I'm sorry to say. They may be planning on a good cop/bad cop routine with the congress to come off as reasonable while looking for the same outcomes.

I admire VDH for many things but he is too much of a gentleman in his advice here. No, we don't have to, and won't become Kosites of the right. But I think we are in for a series of battles on which the survival of our nation and families futures depend. With that in mind I ask you how much you can hold back without fear of future regrets.

 

243 2/3 of the colonies opposed the revolution to start with - guess they thought the third for it were  the lunatic fringe

244

Kensington at November 06, 2008 09:09 PM (xFNQx

You misunderstand.  I don't care if something is 100% true.  I don't care if every i is dotted and T is crossed.  If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck ......

It is a duck to me.  I am not going to wait to make sure that it is a duck and take a picture with my cell phone so my firend can say its a duck too. 

 

245 there is no need for a civilian security force we have the nat'l guard - talk about a police state

246

hey we could put - president my ass on the back of the wolverine shirt haha

 

247

emotion sways the masses, not facts

248 i think they are insane uneducated brainwashed zombies but i could be wrong.
Posted by: unseen at November 06, 2008 09:01 PM (aVGmX)

Many of them are, but if you act as though they all are, then you won't win back any of them, and believe me, a lot of them can be won back.  My father and my brother, for two, voted Obama for remarkably stupid reasons.  Their attachment to him is not deep.  If McCain had made the Fannie Mae argument, for example, I think he would have won my brother over.  I tried but couldn't.  If McCain had been making the case, too, it might have given me more credibility with my brother.

The point is, my dumbass brother is not a lost cause.  A smart, aggressive unified argument could win him back.  Shrieking hysterically probably won't, however cathartic (and justified).

249

AG

I'm not arguing against having a new political leadership that is consevative and more importantly can reach beyond the base.  That is exactly what Reagan did. Do you think the country became more liberal as soon as Reagan left?  Hell no, he just knew how to make the message more inclusive.  Many of today's conservatives seem more intent on ideological purity.  That's what our primary consisted of this year.  It is a losing strategy.

Whether its a popular message or not, this country is roughly divided in thirds, liberal, conservative and moderates.  Take a look at the election results this year.  Obama won with a coalition of liberals and moderates.  Just as Reagan did on the other end of the spectrum.  That will be important in a a year or so.

your arguement leaves them intact

All arguments leave the current leadership intact.  We can rant all we want but there are now less conservatives in DC than there were 2 days ago. That will only change when people stop supporting people who don't represent what they believe in.  I'm not advocating anything else.  Hel, I am going to have a liberal packed SC for the rest of my life and I am very unhappy about it and the mindless arguing about who was most conservative this past primary.  How did that work out?

But the more urgent problem is what happens in the next year.  For all of Bush's warts, he has fought two wars, worked to disarm the N Koreans, dealt with an incredibly unstable Pakistan, and on and on and on.  In January of next year, all that gets handed to Obama.

I want to see the country survive to the next election.  And if that sounds like hyperbole, who would have imaged that 18 guys could hijack 4 planes, kill 3000 Americans and nearly tear this country apart?  The world is even more dangerous now.

250

looks like a duck.....Obama gets elected

quacks like a duck....Market tanks 10%  coal stocks tank 30+%

It is a duck...Obama causes market and coal stocks to tank. 

Is there other factors involved?  maybe.  Did they play a part maybe.   But the fact is that we had the worse postelection selloff in history.  It was Obama's fault.  he bought it, he owns it. 

 

Not deranged.  Not ODS.  Just stating the facts how I see them.  Obama's caused the markets to go Oh shit a fucking marxist in charge SELL! SELL! SELL!

 

251 i suggest all conservatives read Saul Alinsky... use their own tactics against them

252 no reason to scream hysterically- every reason to think, plan and act strategically - it's called total warfare

253 Posted by: unseen at November 06, 2008 09:13 PM (aVGmX)

I do understand, but I don't think it's going to work.  It wasn't the shrieking hysteria that won the election this week, it was the bizarro cult leader.

emotion sways the masses, not facts
posted by: shoey at November 06, 2008 09:15 PM (RxUMK)

Fine, but don't confuse "emotion" with something irrational.

254 I think it's a mistake to think that the Democrats took back Congress in '06 because of how the moonbats behaved - they took it back because Bush is unpopular and too many Republicans are too much like Democrats.  Equating the left's BDS with their victory at the polls is a mistake.

255 Posted by: unseen at November 06, 2008 09:18 PM (aVGmX)

For what it's worth, I think you're right, and I think it's reasonable to make this case.  I just wouldn't follow it up with a death fantasy or a Hitler metaphor, and I think that's all VDH is cautioning against.

256 and the bizarro cult in a emotional trance

257 unseen... the patriot act had a sunset clause included for this very reason.

rob... I seriously doubt our secession from Great Britain would have taken place if 2/3 of the nation weren't even sympathetic to it.  Most people were pissed at the treatment of the American colonies; some just found it difficult to get over that secession hump.  They wanted change and some autonomy.  And 8 or 9 colonies would never have seceded if that were the case.  Nor would have people from all across the land have signed the Declaration of Independence.  The war for independence would never have occurred, let alone have been successful, if it were that unpopular.

258 Posted by: Bald Ninja at November 06, 2008 09:22 PM (bB8hJ)

Plus, they had a (presumably) once in a lifetime cult leader at their head, and it was still closer than it should have been given the anti-GOP feeling in the country.  That won't be so easy to pull off twice.

259

our party leadership is stuck on stupid, we can't accomplish anything with this bunch, we can't move on until they are gone, we have to have better leadership in order to advance our cause, the ppl there now have proven themselves inept.

260 and the bizarro cult in a emotional trance

Even if Obama manages to do it again in '12, I don't see Plugs successfully taking over the cult in '16, does anyone else?

261

And we have policies that are popular.

Like somebody else said in another thread, Bush's strategy was to propose a plan, halfass the sell for a week, then the liberals would oppose it, then he'd give up and move on.

He didn't keep fighting for any of it, didn't refocus the message or try another angle or push the issue like any other president normally would.

Issues like school choice are winners for us. We ought to be pounding that all day long. It's what right. It's best for our kids futures. AND it does a lot to kill the liberal strangehold on our schools to boot.

262

JackStraw makes some pretty good points and I, for the most part, agree with him.

A couple of caveats:

1. Let us not be too quick to turn away from the recent past.  There does have to be some shaking out after a defeat like this if you want to be able to win the next time.  I believe we must do what we can to name and shame the sort of folks like those McCain/Palin staffers who are doing whatever it is they think they are doing with these anonymous smearjobs.

Jack, and others, perhaps it would help to look at it this way: After a mission, be it successful or failed, you do a debrief.  We are not even two days removed from this last failed mission, so there is no reason to declare the debrief over.

2. There is a distinction between unhinged lunacy and cynical sarcasm.

3. Saul Alinsky.  Obama is proposing all these "volunteer" service corps.  In essence, he is willing to give us our own version of ACORN, if enough of us are willing to sign on and subvert.  A "Veterans Corps?"  LOL, I suspect that one would be low-hanging fruit for us smart military blog afficienados.

263

Even if Obama manages to do it again in '12, I don't see Plugs successfully taking over the cult in '16, does anyone else?

____________________________________________

Absolutely not. 

264 No matter how civilized we are about our criticism, it will be "inciting hate". Clinton accused Limbaugh of inciting the Oklahoma City bombing, for fuck's sake.

265 Posted by: A.G. at November 06, 2008 09:23 PM (JoIvi)

To be fair, though, I think people were generally sturdier back then, too.  I think they'd be appalled by most of us now, in spite of our amazing water closets.

266

AG that is an historical fact ... look it up 2/3 of the population opposed the revolution early on ...

267

i suggest all conservatives read Saul Alinsky... use their own tactics against them

 Remember, the goal for them is to undermine and destroy the system. They do this by stoking anger and dissent while piling on limitless grievances and demands until the system buckles under its own weight.

Pretty hard to duplicate their methods, as they follow directly from their goals. Goals which are diametrically opposed to our own.

268

Great post A.G. (#222)

My opinion is that the GOP didn't have a farm team system. We need to get involved locally and recruit people to start filling offices from the local level up. Good leaders in local offices can change peoples votes in national elections.

This is a good point.  It’s the best way to ensure better (more conservative) leadership in the future.  It’s silly to sit around passively waiting for the new Reagan to emerge.

I’d also like to see a rightroots movement develop.  I think the smartest thing would be to focus on specific issues instead of using ideological purity tests. We an get socially conservative blacks and Hispanics to side with us on issues like abortion and gay marriage. We can get libertarians and centrist Dems to side with us on fiscal issues like the multi-billion dollar auto industry bailout that’s about to happen but has received very little coverage.

269 Posted by: Jim62sch at November 06, 2008 09:27 PM (zYagu)

Yeah, but Limbaugh didn't have to become Randi Rhodes to get under Clinton's skin and help promote the Contract with America that won us the Congress one year later.

270 Collectively they are the most vile, selfish, and self absorbed generation in American history.

...after their parents, the boomers.

271 rob...well, as a matter of fact i am an artist.

 president my ass
 has a ring to it but we don't want to develop ODS.
 say it out loud and you'll know why.
 we aren't  odious.....they are.

 twinks...you are right. we do need to get rid of them, but right now we need to mobilize to use them like rented fucking mules.....until the replacements are lined up. and frankly, with the high speed let's destroy America trip that obama is obviously on....we have to work very fast indeed.
 and of course he legalize weed.....how better to placate the masses?
 socialism 101.

 i'm going to start working on a subtle [we don't want to be targets] design for shirts......we cannot be obvious like the lefties. we have to do this so they don't see it coming until it's too late.

272 christmasghost@184

I share your concern, but my logic is sound.  It is true that we face challenges in the election process.  However, the opportunity to win back Obama supporters, especially first time voters or independents, is fundamental to success.

Conservatism is not a tough sell, you just need a receptive mind.  I contend that many who voted for Obama do not have a well articulated political viewpoint.  These people will be hard for Obama to hold on to. 
 
The point is that many of you have friends that can be brought around over time.  Not venting on them now should be part of your long-term strategy.  I am not saying that this is the only tactic, and I wholeheartedly agree with bringing the heat to the left and the msm. 

Ensuring a fair election process will be difficult but it can be accomplished.  To think otherwise is counterproductive and defeatist.

273 For what it's worth, I think you're right, and I think it's reasonable to make this case.  I just wouldn't follow it up with a death fantasy or a Hitler metaphor, and I think that's all VDH is cautioning against.

Posted by: Kensington at November 06, 2008 09:22 PM (xFNQx)

The case must be made.  voters like your brother must be educated.  If say you go to your brother today and say look what the election of Obama caused a 10% market crash.  I hope that doesn't impact your job.   then next week when another piece of bad news comes out go and say look at what that crazy Obama id doning now and on and on.  In 2 years or 4 years your brother will think that Obama is the cause of all the mess.  

the trick is to never accuse Obama of something that can not be tied back to him in some way.  Never outright lie but don't wait for 100% confirmation either.  

Taxes go up on 250,000 and a jobs report comes out the next day blame it on the FEAR of tax hikes,  the next month blame it on the the tax hikes themselves.  

I'm sure we will have plenty of ammo over the next 4 years to not make shit up.  we don't need too.  We just need to lossen the top fact checking. 

Look at biden in his debate.  he just made shit up and people believed him.  Even the MSM  because they didn't know enough to say bullshit.

 

 

274 And yesterday was the first day of the Mayan Calendar New Year - countdown to 2012 begins.

275 Posted by: Entropy at November 06, 2008 09:26 PM (HgAV0)

Excellent point!  God love him, but President Bush was usually a lousy salesman, and that's as much to blame for his failure to advance a lot of sensible policies as the shrieking, hysterical opposition of the Moonbats.

276 Bush, like all the current GOP leadership, give up because they get trashed in the press, we have to have leaders who read every word of the NYT, watch MSNBC and take delight in being trashed by them, wear the scorn of the press like a badge of honor and live to make them froth at the mouth. 

277 Like somebody else said in another thread, Bush's strategy was to propose a plan, halfass the sell for a week, then the liberals would oppose it, then he'd give up and move on.

Actually, President Bush about every week won a battle with the Democrats, accomplishing exactly what he wanted for five years, then he sort of... gave up.

278

AG that is an historical fact ... look it up 2/3 of the population opposed the revolution early on ...

Posted by: Rob at November 06, 2008 09:28 PM (/Zcox)

 

Or better yet watch John Adama took two years to get everyone to agree

279

Pretty hard to duplicate their methods, as they follow directly from their goals. Goals which are diametrically opposed to our own.

Posted by: Warden at November 06, 2008 09:28 PM (QoR4a)

You need to understand that THEY are the system now.  THEY are the establishment now.  THEY are ones who have to defend the system.

THEY can indeed now be hoist on their own petard.

280

christmasghost - go for it - subtle yet cool - I like it - something I can wear working out or to the range

Lots of smart people here with great ideas - do your thing - just call the warriors when you need us and yes I mean as a last resort - we'll be here if you need us- but don't want to mess things up for you... thoughts to sleep on

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281

 Remember, the goal for them is to undermine and destroy the system. They do this by stoking anger and dissent while piling on limitless grievances and demands until the system buckles under its own weight.

Agreed.  Better to learn from where those tactics have been used before and how they were defeated. 

The first and most direct of these attacks was against the welfare system in NYC.  Rudy recognized and called it for what it was and beat it.  The only thing that is going to work against these tactics is sunlight and a leader who is strong enough to stand up to them while being called a racist and a bigot.

We don't have a Rudy this time  We have to do it ourselves.

282

On the bright side, maybe they will finally legalize homos in the military. The current "don't ask, don't tell" policy from the last Democratic president is fucking stupid. Everyone knows who the gay dudes and chicks are now, and nobody gives a shit except some old puritanical officers.

Then maybe Obama will force the liberal colleges to have ROTC programs, and allow recruiters. It will be his military, after all. I can't wait to hear the college lefties screaming at him about that.

283

Pretty hard to duplicate their methods, as they follow directly from their goals. Goals which are diametrically opposed to our own.

Posted by: Warden at November 06, 2008 09:28 PM (QoR4a)

 

Nonsense.  Look at the child helth program in hawaii.  They liberals had to back track because EVERYONE signed on and canceled their priviate insusrance.   We have 8 years of Bush court appointees.  We can take case after case to court on consitutional grounds.   I am surprised no one has taken the bailout to court.  show me wher eit says the government can take over the banks.  We must use the courts.  Lawyers are dems true but they are capitalists first. 

 

 

284

#267

ok let them use Alinsky, we should read Alinsky and apply the philosophy of the author of "The Art of War" to defeating it.

the chinese guy, damn i'm horrible with names, somebody tell me his name please

 

285

The point is that many of you have friends that can be brought around over time.

Yes, they can. I successfully won over my sister-in-law with help from my wife. Today I had her watching old Reagan speeches. The key is to work them slowly over time when they give you an opening. No browbeating. And always focus on philosophy and principles rather than policy.

286 Tsun Tzu.

287 Meh.. my bad. Sun Tzu. Translitteration..

288

Jackstraw,

We should study how to defeat their tactics then write an instruction manual - Rules for Radical Conservatives.

I'm serious.

289 samIam @242..."Obama and his crew are too smart, I think, to go the heavy handed route."
 wanna bet?
civilian security force
rahm emmanuel
fairness doctrine

 rob.... "2/3 of the colonies opposed the revolution to start with - guess they thought the third for it were  the lunatic fringe" yep....i guess i am offspring of lunatic fringe. gosh, in liberal-land that would make anything i do not my fault.kind of like a new age political twinkie defense, huh?
 hmmm, that's just good to know.HEH.
okay this is a great point and really made me think:
I do understand, but I don't think it's going to work.  It wasn't the shrieking hysteria that won the election this week, it was the bizarro cult leader.

 you are right, it is the cult leader. and you know what the biggest weakness of the average nutbag liberal is?
 appearances.
come on people, all of us should know this. remember how the fainters stopped once the phenomenon was mocked publicly?
 they are weak and shallow and so is the cult leader. but with rahmbo at his side  he is going to be tough to defeat. that's why we can't wait, and we can't appear to be doing it either.
 but perhaps this is the greatest weakness for obama.....if we can, at every turn, subtly convince his people, the fools that voted for him that they were played like cheap kazoos.
 over and over and over again.......
 could it work?

290

Sun Tzu's axiom's work for just about everything else, that guy was a freakin' genius

291

Ok, let me backtrack. You can use some of Alinsky's tactics selectively, but not all of them.

We're not looking to collapse the entire system. We're still in this together.

But yeah, there are a lot of ways to undermine them. Legal harrassment is certainly one of them.

292

The key to defeat Obama is and always was laughter and mocking.  Palin hurt Obama more than any other politician because she mocked him.  She held him out to ridicule,.  It worked. 

No comedy shows mock Obama. No SNL, No Dave letterman, No leno.   They know that comedey will crush Obama. 

293

Leftwing institutions also have to be targeted economically.

294

Warden at November 06, 2008 09:51 PM

that depends on what the system is in 2010, 2012.  If it is some socialist crap sandwhich then yeah I will be looking to destroy it from within. 

 

295

The key to defeat Obama is and always was laughter and mocking. 

Yup. Limbaugh has this down to a science. That's just one part of the equation, though.

296

We should study how to defeat their tactics then write an instruction manual - Rules for Radical Conservatives.

Well I'm clearly not smart enough for that but I was around when Rudy took this shit on and what I learned at the surface level was 1) Expose this shit to sunlight because it shrivels like a vampire when people see the truth and 2) have a very tough skin because you will called every slur in the book.  Rudy wasn't my first choice this cycle but one thing I saw in him from his days putting the mob in jail and rebuilding NYC, he is the toughtest politician I have ever seen.

Fuck Obama.  I have no problem fightng against this two bit marxist and his minions.

297 jackstraw... ummm i guess we agree then

kensington... heh

rob... i have seen widely varying numbers; and so they usually sound like wild ass guesses to me.  I was attempting to apply a bit of logic to that notion.  Sure it wasn't a popular idea at one time, but more and more people were won over to the idea.  Just because there are 3 stances (for, against, neutral), doesn't mean that they break down to 1/3 each.  That is the breakdown I usually hear; and I hear it because many who got history majors are retards when it comes to math.  Even if it were about 1/3 were ardent advocates of secession, there was considerable sympathy for the cause amongst much of the remainder. 
We think the far left is insane, the far left thinks we are insane.  They don't matter.  And they, for fuck's sake, aren't 2/3 of the country.
Regardless... the point is, they [the founders] won their fellow citizens over to their cause and made them part of the solution.  The exact percentages don't matter.  They succeeded, we can too.

298 "I contend that many who voted for Obama do not have a well articulated political viewpoint".
 understatement of the century.

299

JackStraw at November 06, 2008 09:55 PM (VW9/y)

 

way ahead of you.  My book will be called "What is wrong with Vermont?"

300

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention:

Pelosi's gang got their pal Ronnie Earle to gin up a totally bogus indictment of Tom DeLay.  Then they manufactured a scandal on Mark Foley and made sure they waited until late September to drop it through a bogus blog that didn't have their fingerprints on it.  The party that loves homosexuals suddenly decided it is a scandal for a Republican to be one. 

These people have proven over and over again that they will do ANYTHING, smear anyone, manufacture criminal charges, obtain bogus indictments, forge documents, hack a vice presidential candidate's private emails, use government agency lackies to dig up dirt on a citizen who dares to ask a question of their Messiah.  

If you put it all together, it is a Leninist coup that they have just engineered, using all of the dirty tricks and manipulation of facts that Lenin would be proud of. 

So no, I do not plan to be nice to them or even be civil to them.  They have hijacked my government through criminal means and Leninist tactics.  They are a clear and present danger to the survival of our Republic.

 

301 we have to have leaders who read every word of the NYT, watch MSNBC and take delight in being trashed by them, wear the scorn of the press like a badge of honor and live to make them froth at the mouth.

The only Republican I know who is like this is Ann Coulter.

302 @267

"Remember, the goal for them is to undermine and destroy the system. They do this by stoking anger and dissent while piling on limitless grievances and demands until the system buckles under its own weight.

Pretty hard to duplicate their methods, as they follow directly from their goals. Goals which are diametrically opposed to our own."

Not true.  The "system" is Obama and his administration.

A year from now, you create discontent by reminding the pudding heads of who is responsible for the high electricity bills, deflation, recession etc.  You remind them of the promises of Obama and ask if he delivered.

It will buckle under the weight of its own ambitious rhetoric.  It is human nature to be discontent.  Our task is to show cause and effect.

303 And Rush Limbaugh.

304 The only Republican I know who is like this is Ann Coulter.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 06, 2008 09:59 PM (bMJ2V)

 

Palin

305 The Democrats always overplay their hands. Always. 'Restraint' is a word that is not in their dictionaries. Hopefully, the GOP leadership-in-exile knows this.

306

jackstraw,

i agree with that, we need leaders who are perfectly aware of what the Ober-hole is saying but truly doesn't give a rat's ass

307 Thank you unseen, how soon I forget.

308 Everyone knows who the gay dudes and chicks are now, and nobody gives a shit except some old puritanical officers.

I suspect more care than you are aware of or are willing to admit, but not being in the military, that's just a guess. Based on human nature and knowing people. Its sort of a massive Bradley Effect, everyone has been browbeaten and indoctrinated to pretend they don't care but most still do.

We have rules already, we don't need radical rules. We just have to get busy and work and take charge instead of assuming everything will work out and politics is too sordid and filthy to get involved in. Our way works... it just takes longer.

309

The only Republican I know who is like this is Ann Coulter.

Seriously, you should have looked harder at Rudy and Romney.  I said this all through primary.  These guys weren't ruling form the green zone, they were in the fight.  All I heard on hear day after day was that they weren't perfect conservatives. 

Well no shit.  They lived in the heart of darkness.  It's easy being a rock ribbed conservative in Tennessee or even, ahem, Alaska.  You want to impress me?  Get elected and fight every damn day in a liberal area.

Rudy and Romney got slimed by the msm just as Palin did?  Well fuck, who could have seen that coming?  The only difference is how many "conservatives" who bought it about Rudy and Romney but rushed to Palins defense.

310 A.G.   except we now have as "president" [and yes, i respect the office of the president i am not a moonbat...but obama is a traitor so he can get screwed]
 and we now have one of the far far left insane people about to take office as our president.
 "And they, for fuck's sake, aren't 2/3 of the country."
 true...but that really doesn't count since their fearless leader is in charge.
 i think that makes the,granted, small amount of far left nuts magnified immensely, don't you?

311 watch john adama?  is that the guy in battlestar galactica?  j/k  Like you said, it took time to win them over to the cause for independence.  But it was done.  The majority of the populace was won over.  Bitching is cathartic but it doesn't accomplish anything.  And so the populace was won over to the cause.  Which was my initial point: you don't scare them off, you win them over.

312 If I had a middle school aged chilld, how could I fight the community service requirement?  I don't have the ability, but some sharp legal minds need to start formulating plans to fight these coercive acts.

313

i liked Rudy, but Rudy plays a little weird in Peoria, and he was pro-illegal alien, and Romney would make probably the best Sec. of Tres. we could ever have..

 

314

The key to defeat Obama is and always was laughter and mocking.  Palin hurt Obama more than any other politician because she mocked him.  She held him out to ridicule,.  It worked. 

Yep.  And remember the one time the McCain campaign got any traction pre-the Palin pick was when they mocked Barry’s star turn in Germany with “The One” ads.  The lefty media scorned the ad but it actually took Barry’s poll numbers down a notch.  There’s a lot of mileage to be had mocking Our Dear Leader’s Messiah complex.  Ridicule is a powerful weapon.  (I think Alinsky said that too.)

315 292

The key to defeat Obama is and always was laughter and mocking.  Palin hurt Obama more than any other politician because she mocked him.  She held him out to ridicule,.  It worked. 

No comedy shows mock Obama. No SNL, No Dave letterman, No leno.   They know that comedey will crush Obama. 

Posted by: unseen at November 06, 2008 09:52 PM (aVGmX)

Exactly.  We bring the funny, lambasting him at every turn, he crumbles.

316 rockmom@300..
 

So no, I do not plan to be nice to them or even be civil to them.  They have hijacked my government through criminal means and Leninist tactics.  They are a clear and present danger to the survival of our Republic.

 absolutely spot on.

 it has been a coup and the only reason that all of us haven't even said this is because we are afraid to sound as nutty as the left. the left that bitched endlessly that the patriot act *might* hurt them.

 and then they all vote for this socialist piece of crap that IS going to destroy this country and free speech right along with it.

 every stupid liberal that i have had to listen to always always brings up the patriot act.

 i have to deal with it all the time doing international business....so what. it's necessary and if you aren't a terrorist it just takes a little longer to do things and that's all. so the f what?

 but barry is going to take this country and turn it into a socialist country fast. we need to get over being worried about looking like the nutty left, because they are banking on us having better manners than they do. they always bank on that and guess what, it always works doesn't it?

 and besides, all of us know that we aren't going to be like the nutty left. we just can't be like the spineless right anymore.

that is OVER.

 so we need to get dirty and fight now, we cannot wait.....what we have to fiight will just get stronger.....

 this isn't just some creepy loser democrat we elected. rockmom is so right. this was a coup. planned and played and the voters fell for it.

 now we need to wake them up.....

317 VDH has the big brain.   VDH is wise.  VDH can craft sentences from his tower that can bring tears to your eyes.

Trainer, however, lives in the real world and doesn't have the inclination to give those lefty bastards the time of day.  Fight!

318 One line of attack that is now mostly past its expiration date is Ayers/Wright.

Sure, you say that now.  But wait til Jeremiah's holding up that Koran for the swearing-in...

319 the problem with conservative humor is that we don't have an SNL or a "Daily Show", college kids and other young ppl watch those shows and that's where Obama got the votes that Kerry didn't, add to that the fact that some conservs sat home because of McCain and you have the numbers we had on the 4th, to be machavillian about it, what the Republican Party needs to do is increase the excitement of their base and suppress the excitement of those that could overwhelm our numbers, and twice in a row now we have ignored the coldly practical and paid dearly for it.  

320 xmas ghost... yes i do agree.  he got in for a whole host of reasons.  someone that we could have tolerated or enjoyed did not, again, for a whole host of reasons.  there is nothing we can do about that now.  Unless you quite literally want a civil war.

Not really sure what your point is though... I was responding to someone else who said that 2/3 of americans were against the revolution, who was using that as a response to me when i said that in order to spread our beliefs, we can't appear as some lunatic fringe.  "Lunatic fringes" get ignored by those who think they are lunatics.  Thus you need to win people over instead of scaring them off.  That is how Obama got in - he didn't scare off most voters.  We know his sketchiness, but the majority of voters either didn't or didn't care.  And probably some had heard it but just rolled their eyes and figured it was just some smear.  The populace who could be won over to our side never had his weaknesses or our strengths properly articulated to them.  Obama largely separated his public image from the radical stuff - he talked about tax cuts and school choice et al and played to populist sentiments.  He can say other stuff to the obamatons at rallies or behind closed doors, but he pretended to be quite reasonable while in front of the masses on tv.

Like I said earlier...  Its basic psychology.  for those who don't want to take a class, go read (at least a summation of) "how to win friends and influence people".  If you want to bum a cig off someone, do you kick him in the nuts and screw his sister?

321

On the good news front, all those Hillary PUMAs so many of you slurped for months will be there for us now.

Oh, what's that, they told us to go fuck ourselves while they go support Hillary for Majority Leader?  Damn, now that is shocking.

 

It's time to fight for our own and for our country.  By any means necessary.

322 The closest thing we have to conservative humor is South Park and it’s really more libertarian than anything else. However, they do poke fun at self-righteous, hypocritical liberals once in a while.

323 I detect a sense of apprehension that no Democrats would wish conservatives to treat Obama as they did Bush for eight years.

You can wish in one hand, and shit in the other...

324

Tversky,

i can't think of anything funnier than Cartman's loathing for hippies... god damn hippies!

325

 If you want to bum a cig off someone, do you kick him in the nuts and screw his sister?

Dude that sounds fucking awesome.

On second thought, keep your cigarette.

No wait - I'm gonna steal em while you're groaning.

Then I'm gonna nail her doggy style.

326

WAIT a goddamn minute here.

She's hot, right?

This isn't some kind of trap where you trick me into nailing your porker sister?

327

Tversky,

i can't think of anything funnier than Cartman's loathing for hippies... god damn hippies!

Yep! A kid after my own heart.  Lol.  One of my favorite South Park episodes was total poke in the eye of liberals: Death Camp of Tolerance.  I also like their lispy version of Al Gore and his obsession with Man Bear Pig.  Lol.

328

and then there was the "Smug Cloud" caused by an over abundance of hybrid cars, yeah, South Park is cool, but it's like the odd apple in the basket...

 

329 bart (I can't believe I am actually arguing with you):

[Actually, you're not. You're being deleted.

Lol... Brutal.

Welcome to the "Unfairness" Doctrine of AoS.

330 All I heard on hear day after day was that they weren't perfect conservatives.

They weren't conservatives in any sense. They were liberals, one strong on crime and the other strong on some social issues. Both were big spending liberals, not conservatives.

You're right about the embarrassing and pathetic PUMA love, though. I about abandoned AOSHQ because of that, it was ugly to watch.

331 entropy... hahaha... let's roshambo. first i kick you in the nuts...

332 the if he had put up an anti-illegal immigration candidate and let that person talk about it, we would be celebrating a republican as the president-elect, we could have easily won this election if we had sided with the ppl on the immigration issue.

333

You're right about the embarrassing and pathetic PUMA love, though. I about abandoned AOSHQ because of that, it was ugly to watch.

I’m sorry but I don’t get this.  What was so embarrassing about appreciating Dems that worked harder to get McCain/Palin elected than many in the GOP base did?  I know you guys hate McCain but most of you love Palin.  So I’d think you would appreciate the fact that these ladies were trying to help Palin reach the White House since it would make Palin the defacto GOP standard bearer in 2012.  Most of the PUMAs I know actually put their own liberal agenda aside to support this ticket because they knew before anyone else, conservatives included, what a dishonest, shady, corrupt Chicago pol, crypto-Marxist sexist infanticide enthusiast Barack Hussein Obama is.   I don’t understand the antagonism toward the PUMAs or life long Democrats (like myself) that voted for McCain/Palin.

Honest question: Are you guys irritated that some of us are still posting here?  If so, why?  Do you automatically despise us because we’re lifelong Democrats?  That sounds like the Daily Kos kids that think all Republicans are evil, intolerant, racist, dimwitted scumbags– i.e., deranged. 

334

They weren't conservatives in any sense. They were liberals, one strong on crime and the other strong on some social issues. Both were big spending liberals, not conservatives.

Romney cut spending and balanced the budget with a veto proof Dem Majority in both houses and every Constitutional office.  He cut spending. He fought publicly and to the detriment to his public standing against gay marriage because the courts pulled a Roe v Wade against his state and it cost him a huge amount of good will in the state.  He is a god compared to what Reagan did in California in a much less hostile environment. Was Reagan a conservative in California or does myth triumph reality?

Rudy had to deal with NYC.  Not only a liberal cesspool but when he took over a bankrupt, totally corrupt, chock full of illegal alliens and completely dysfunctional mess.  Rudy had over 6 million constituents in the most important city in the world when he took over.  An island a few miles long and a couple wide.  Palin had an overwhelmingly Republican state of 600,000, millions of acres large with an oil economy that guaranteed not only a balanced budget but checks to each citizen annually.  What did Reagan do accept sign the largest abortion expansion bill at the time as governor?

 

Come live a few days in the shoes before you cast stones.

335 and the more i think of it, what a sham this election was, hardly any important issues were discussed by either side, the scope of the discussion was so incredibly narrow, the press is especially empowered by the Constitution and more than any other election in my lifetime they have completely ignored their responsiblity of being an impartial player, it seems to me that the Constitution doesn't specifically demand impartiality of the press, but at the very least it has always been interperted that way in the past, how can people decide for themselves which person to vote for if the information they have is not balanced? how can they be expected to make a decision that is in-line with their own personal philosophy if the players are allowed to lie about who they are, the press is empowered by the Constitution to call them out, the MSM is the true loser in this whole bloody cluster-fuck.

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I’m sorry but I don’t get this.  What was so embarrassing about appreciating Dems that worked harder to get McCain/Palin elected than many in the GOP base did? 

I'll be happy to answer. 

You guys for the most part didn't give a shit about issues.  You hated Obama, that was your only reason for supporting McCain.  You felt you got dissed by the msm and you wanted revenge.

Well welcome to our world.  We have been dealing with this shit for-fucking-ever.  I never heard any of you say boo when any Republican woman got savaged.  You only care when it is a liberal woman.

Condi Rice?  sell out.  Jean Kirpatrick?  misguided.  The list goes on and on.  The fact is that Republicans have had more women and minorities in senior positions in government than Dems but you guys never supported any of them.  It was only when St Hillary got trashed by your own team that you came over.

And you didn't work harder.  In the end your numbers weren't decisive at all.  And tomorrow, you will be right back supporting Hillary and fighting us.  You will be fighting for Obama and the very liberal government that we now have.

If I am wrong and you are still here fighting against them then I will apologize to you.  But I won't to the overwhelming number of PUMAs who just wanted to rage against Obama and used us.

337

the MSM is the true loser in this whole bloody cluster-fuck.

I completely agree.  They lost so much credibility this year.  I know for a fact that many lifelong Democrats opened up their eyes this year and finally realized Republicans were right about liberal media bias. (Hell, I’m one of them.  I used to fight with my conservative father about this all the time.  He’s thrilled that I’m finally on his side. Lol.) I spend a ridiculous amount of time now reading multiple news sources because I refuse to be fooled by the MSM.

JackStraw: I prefer Romney and Guiliani as candidates over McCain.  Both are superior debaters (I think Guiliani did the best during the Republican Debates) and both have superior knowledge of economics (on that issue I give the nod to Romney.)  McCain drew me to the GOP but over time I got disillusioned by his economic illiteracy.  Anyway, I’m sad to hear the GOP base rejects Romney and Guiliani as RINOs.  Who the hell passes the conservative purity test?  Good grief.

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hardly any important issues were discussed by either side, the scope of the discussion was so incredibly narrow

Yup. He had nothing but a hopey changey personality cult.

And we had.. a dude who's turn it was. What the hell did he even run on, besides being 'not Obama' (who himself, was not anything, just some unknown insubstantial thing).

The whole election was like "You know me, you know you don't like me, so vote for me because I'm not this vapid dude who showed up tuesday with greek columns".

I think the MSM is right when they say this was a 'referendum on Obama'. It was. He offered nothing of substance but even so, McCain somehow offered less.

On both sides it was about nothing but character.

Alot like the dem primary. Do you want... a black liberal or a woman liberal?

Black liberal..kay.. now do you want.. and old crazy guy or a black liberal?

339

grassroots conservatives didn't know anything about Sarah Palin, but they only had to hear her speak once before they knew she was one of them.

340 fred! is old, but any conservative will tell ya, he's a conservative...

341

And just for the record..

NO, the constitution does not call on the press to be neutral. Christ. When it was written the press were blatant partisans. Guys like Thomas Paine and Ben Franklin. They were goddamn propogandists, plain and simple.

This 'neutral' press shit got started in the 20th century, when everything was being centralized and institutionalized. Historically we've had much more partisan press (but on both sides...and without the mass illusion of objective neutrality).

The constitution does not make the press anything special. This, I think, is misunderstood, especially by the press. They see themselves as some godawful all important institution without which democracy is impossible.

The press is special in this country because it's not special. Literally, there's nothing special about it...and that's what makes it special. Anyone is the press. You are the press. It's freedom of speech. Citizen journalism, if you will. Anyone can be the press. "credentials" and "journalism school" is BS. An ivory tower.. but the press is not suppose to be special in a democracy. It's special in a communism because it's a government organ. In democracy, it's especially not special. Anyone can be a press organ.

The founding fathers were pajama-clad pamphleteers, cranking out rants from their mother's basements. Literally, if you HAD A press, as in a printing press, you were the press. When the constitution was written, our press was a nation of hyperpartisan bloggers hollering on street corners.

342 The decimation of our Constitution is going to be inevitable under both an illuminati President and leftist congress.  We will be censored, fined, and maybe even jailed for our dissent.  Welcome to a "changed" nation.

343 ah, highly partisan yes, but each side had roughly equal numbers and a kind of balance was had, the numbers don't balance today, way more liberal media finds it's way into the national scope than conservative.

344 Democrats win because nothing is more important to them than gaining power. They would sell their daughters into a thai whorehouse to gain more power. Hell, they would sell themselves into a thai whorehouse for power.

You cannot fight that kind of evil by attempting to "rise above it" any more than you fight Islam by trying to "be better than them".

345 A.G. forgive my rambling. i guess what i was trying to say is that we can't be worried about appearing to look like the lunatic fringe.....when we are not.
 we have valid concerns and worries and too many times i have seen conservatives back down from a fight about it because they didn't want to seem ruthless or rude.

346

Amen rockmom.

There is no civil discourse with these people. President-elect Monkey-fucker's best friend /sensei wrote a book advocating death camps for US, you know people who won't submit.

On top of that, President-elect Shitheel Hussein Monkey-fucker wants to create a "Civilian Defense Force" as well equipped as the army. Hello, WaffenSS anyone? Death camps, WaffenSS, and some of you are worried about making Hitler comparisons. Give me a break, this war to the knife and knife to the hilt. Nothing is off the table. We're in a fight to save the Republic and some people here are talking like some kind of fucking wussie Emily Post.  

WOLVERINES !!!

 

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JackStraw:

Thanks for the honest answer.  A lot of your points are valid.  For example, it’s true that many Democratic women have treated Republican women shabbily.  Some Hillary Clinton supporters continued this practice by attacking Gov.Palin as a traitor to women, a non-woman, a bimbo, etc.   But the PUMAs I know that worked hard for McCain/Palin were/are different.  They may have acted that way in the past, but watching Hillary Clinton get eviscerated (often using misogynist terms) while the Democratic Party idly sat by( thus implicitly condoning such behavior) really changed these women.  Then watching Governor Palin get trashed in a VERY SIMILAR WAY totally rocked their worlds.  These women no longer labored under the delusion that only so-called “knuckle-dragging Rethugs” were capable of misogyny.  Seeing “oh so tolerant” enlightened liberal Democrats engage in that same level of misogyny was to put it gently, a real eye opener.  

I know many PUMAs started watching FoxNews and found it was fairer to Hillary Clinton than any of the other networks.  Many (myself included – I’m not a PUMA but I was a Dem) started reconsidering every assumption they had been operating under as indoctrinated Democrats.   Few of us became card carrying conservatives as far as I know, but many of us did modify our stances on issues.  However, you’re right when you say PUMAs were not motivated by issues per se.  But it’s wrong to say they were simply bitter shrews motivated by revenge.  Their main motivations as far as I can tell where 1) the misogyny exhibited by Obama supporters that the Democratic Party implicitly endorsed, 2) the Obama campaign’s race baiting tactics and 3)the Obama campaign’s caucus fraud.  These factors made them unable to support Obama even though Obama and Hillary had very similar platforms (In fact, I think the Obama campaign ripped HRC’s platform off to a large degree. )

RE: Who worked harder.  I don’t know if the PUMAs worked harder than the GOP base did on average.  However, I personally know a number of PUMAs that worked very harder for McCain/Palin as well as a number of members of the GOP base who where practically working for the Obama/Biden campaign.  In addition, PUMAs maintained very active anti-Obama/pro-McCain/Palin websites, recorded and distributed anti-Obama podcasts, and created campaign (admittedly low budget) videos.  Although the number of PUMAs wasn’t decisive in the election, we know for certain that high profile PUMAs came out in support of McCain/Palin (Greta’s husband, the President of NOW in LA, Lynn de Rothschild – the big name Hillary campaign fundraiser, etc. ) In contrast, a lot of members of the GOP base could barely maintain their loathing for McCain during the election.  They were exceedingly negative much of the time.  Lastly, it’s clear that the base did not turn out for McCain/Palin the way they turned out for President Bush in 2004.  I’m not saying the PUMAs were the best McCain/Palin supporters.  (I think Michael Medved, Bill Kristol, Sean Hannity and later Rush Limbaugh did an enormous amount to help McCain/Palin during the election.)  I’m just saying I find it weird that some of you hold them in contempt. 

RE: Whether the PUMAs will continue to help fight Obama.  I think  many were quite clear that their goal was McCain/Palin 2008 and Hillary/somebody in 2012.  As long as its in their interest to hurt Obama I’d think they were still on board.  (Some have grown disillusioned with Hillary though.  They think she’s a phony liar for her vocal Obama support during the last days of the campaign.)

Personally?  I’m not interested in voting for Hillary.  I’ll admit that I toyed with the idea because I thought she was smart, willing to work her ass off (I bet she was the girl in school that worked the hardest), tough, a national security hawk, and somewhat fiscally conservative like her husband.  Then I looked at her actual plans.  She is a smart, tough, hardworking national security hawk.  But she’s the furthest thing from fiscally conservative you could be and not be a Marxist.  I guess you could say I like RINOs because McCain drew me to the GOP (for character reasons primarily: bipartisan, willing to buck his own party, gutsy, but also a national security hawk, reform minded and a budget cutter) but I ended up liking Romney and Guiliani the most of all the Republican candidates.  (Guiliani most of all.  Romney is brilliant and clean cut/wholesome but he unfortunately gives off a smarmy vibe.)  

Bottom line: I’m still here fighting against the Democratic Party.  Thanks to Soros money, they’ve evolved from well intentioned but clueless liberals that advocate terrible (often self-defeating) policies to corrupt, lying, deranged leftist loons that will do anything to destroy the opposition so they can impose those same terrible, often self-defeating, ideas.  The former was bad but not intentionally dangerous.  The latter is heinous and frankly a threat to our democracy . ur democracy.  

348

WE must change the languauge.. It must be retitled the;

THE SILENCE TALK RADIO DOCTRINE

or somesuch easily understandable, descriptive phrase.

 

We have been buying into the liberal dictionary and when someone hears  FAIRNESS DOCTRINE,  They automatically think, " Oh yeah, I'm in favor of fairness."

349

These are the rules. Everybody fights, nobody quits. If you don't do your job I'll kill you myself. Welcome to the Roughnecks

Here's the thing.

I'm not sure about the vetting issue. I get the impression that all the bad news about Obama--why he shouldn't be the president--had gotten out by election day but that a majority of voters (like Seattle Slough) chose to ignore that information and vote for him anyway. They knew what they were getting and it was okay with them. Which I find even more troubling to than the notion that he was insufficiently vetted from the start.

I'm thinking: fuck 'em. Western civilization wants to commit suicide? Fine. I'll be shorting the market and doing blow off hooker's asses.

350 Let's start small.  From now on we all refer to him as "Hussein" - written or speaking.  Imagine how that will spin up all the lefty/socio/cummi/demos.

351

"That said, I'm still pretty interested in knowing who wrote Dreams from My Father, or, as one reader called it, Bill Ayers' Dreams from Barack Obama's Father. And I'm not giving up on that Rezko land deal anytime soon -- a previous corrupt land deal turned out to be a rather big deal some years back."

Ace...."Pretty interested" is not enough to expose a fraud.  You have to gather the most ruthless that you can find and do not stop until this slime is legally removed from the political landscape of the USA.  You need to give a daily update even if you just report that you are still on the case.  Close to half the population of this country is asking for this.

352 Come live a few days in the shoes before you cast stones.

Where you work doesn't change who you are. Either you're conservative or you're not; and a politician is known by their actions not their words.

The defense of "oh they would have been conservative if only the people had let them, gosh they tried real real hard, but the politics were just too much!" is sickening and weak.

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