And So It Begins

The exodus of McCain staffers from political life, that is. Marlys Popma is a pillar of the Iowa pro-life and Republican community, and after serving as McCain's Iowa outreach coordinator to the evangelical community, she's decided to withdraw from politics and "do what grandmothers like to do", namely spend more time with the grandkids.

I know a lot of people in the Iowa evangelical community consider her a "sellout" for going to work for McCain, but she's been fighting for pro-life causes since back when li'l Russ was walking to elementary school every day, so I'm going to choose to give her a virtual hearty handshake and a "thanks for all your work over the years" as she rides off into the sunset.

And if you're interested in the 2012 race already, Bobby Jindal is scheduled to give a speech here in Iowa on Saturday, November 22. I'll see if my paltry contacts in Republican politics can get me a ticket to hear what he's got to say, and if possible, I'll report back to the Moron Political Clearinghouse.

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at 12:28 PM



Comments

1 Eh. The only ones who are sellouts are the ones who chose to make a statement and not vote, thereby allowing a socialist to become CinC.

Posted by: J-Rod at November 06, 2008 01:06 PM (JC+x3)

2 I think Jindal would make a fine choice for 2012.

Posted by: EC at November 06, 2008 01:07 PM (mAhn3)

3 I love licking dog balls!

Posted by: Carlos at November 06, 2008 01:07 PM (B5k/5)

4 As everyone in Iowa allready knows, the only pro-life candidates in this race were Huckleberry and Barry.
All those other bastardswant to make it legal to serve embryos in a dill sauce with potato dumplings.
Seriously - no more primary for you.

Posted by: Entropy at November 06, 2008 01:10 PM (m6c4H)

5 Market is now down almost 800 since the election. Unicorn futures up 68%.
Thanks, Barry!

Posted by: mikeyslaw at November 06, 2008 01:14 PM (QMGr1)

6 Yahahaoaoaoao, Tank it!

Posted by: Jay at November 06, 2008 01:19 PM (qddqX)

7 5 Market is now down almost 800 since the election. Unicorn futures up 68%.
Thanks, Barry!
Actually, from what I've heard, many companies warned their employees about voting for this moron. So this time, I'm not inclined to blame President Elect Hussein, but instead, blame the absolute morons who believed all the promises this con man made. The liberals are dragging us down once again. Wonderful.

Posted by: shibumi at November 06, 2008 01:19 PM (tZB/c)

8 Carlos, you missed the part where the Obamedia actively suppressed revelation of his past. "Rightist press"! What a laugh. The "majority" just bought a pig in a poke. We'll see what happens when they don't get what they think they're entitled to.

Can't blame Popma, or anyone else who moves on to more quotidian pursuits, one bit. The treasonous media and the deranged left (e.g., Carlos) have just had their agenda validated by an overwhelming mandate. The sheep want to be fed and entertained, not informed. So the rest of us are all fair game to have our lives destroyed, as their treatment of Joe Wurzelbacher - who did nothing more than ask a simple question - has demonstrated.

Posted by: goy at November 06, 2008 01:21 PM (BCIGN)

9 Posted by: J-Rod at November 06, 2008 01:06 PM (JC+x3)

Cry me a river, Nancy.

Posted by: krakatoa at November 06, 2008 01:21 PM (/FUhT)

10 Carlos, You want to see a limp brained bile spewer?
Find the nearest bathroom. Stand in front of the sink, and look up.
Sen. McCain never called Sen. Obama a Marxist nor a Muslim.
Fact: Sen. Obama will cancel the Bush tax cuts. Guess what? That's a tax raise.
Fact: To see how much confidence the economy has in Sen. Obama, take a look at the DOW. The evil capitalists are taking their money elsewhere so that they don't lose it. We capitalists like money.

Posted by: Old Sailor at November 06, 2008 01:22 PM (8NiWI)

11 3 I love licking dog balls!
Posted by: Carlos at November 06, 2008 01:07 PM (B5k/5)

Stay classy, "Carlos"

Posted by: blogRot at November 06, 2008 01:23 PM (EKMxC)

12
On top of McCain not really wanting to win, he surrounded himself with morons, thanks maverick.

Posted by: billypaintbrush at November 06, 2008 01:23 PM (iQrTY)

13 Coupled with Yosemite's abysmal campaign and the trashing of SP it's looking like McCain was running as O's stalking horse,hence those gloves never coming off. I was duped by that POS. Backstabber doing what he does best.

Posted by: JohnTBissell at November 06, 2008 01:24 PM (AjfGV)

14 You forgot to give her a laurel.

Posted by: Phil Smith at November 06, 2008 01:28 PM (n+cpx)

15 Enough, troll. I'm merely a trollbuster- I don't wield the power of the banhammer- but it's seriously time for you to disappear.

Post redacted for threadjacking.

Posted by: Elitist Lib at November 06, 2008 01:30 PM (fdXAd)

16 Elitist Lib
We should not resort to Obama tactics. It's unchristian like.

Posted by: Mr. Pissed at November 06, 2008 01:33 PM (X7Ey1)

17 Workin' too hard, E.L.

Posted by: The R.N.G. at November 06, 2008 01:33 PM (kGN8o)

18 Obama's paid campaign slaves angry about not getting paid. One Obama campaign worker, in the true spirit of Obama supporters everywhere, spouted "I want my money today! It's my money. I want it right now!"

Posted by: socky at November 06, 2008 01:34 PM (PLvLS)

19 I agree with #1. The real sell-outs are those who stayed home and allowed this tool to become CinC.

Today is the first day he gets his highly classified intel briefings. The idea of someone who couldn't pass a security clearance getting this today is nauseating.

Posted by: Amy at November 06, 2008 01:36 PM (U0dI+)

20 J-Rod

Excuse me but this is going to introduce another Reagan in 4 years.

The country did a collective "WTF?!" when Carter got in. Now that the ball is in the Dem court and they have been forced to actually DO STUFF with their majority, people will once again say "WTF?!" thus sweeping in a Reaganite to save the day again... NOW STFU McCain is the SELLOUT you retard.

Posted by: Melodic Metal at November 06, 2008 01:36 PM (0TU9n)

21 Oh please, cry me a river. Mittens Romney or Giuliani or Thompson would have lost the popular vote by double digits.

I'm sure Romney being the head of a Venture Capital Fund would have played really well during the financial meltdown.

You guys need to let go for a while or you will have an ulcer by 2010. There are paid Republican Strategists with far more knowledge and inside connections doing this spitballing right now.

Posted by: JohnnyB at November 06, 2008 01:38 PM (XARRY)

22 There are paid Republican Strategists with far more knowledge and inside connections doing this spitballing right now.

Somehow, that just doesn't make me feel a whole hell of a lot better............

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at November 06, 2008 01:39 PM (kKgTD)

23 Oh come on, the story about the old codger getting upset over Obama losing and biting another bar patron's nose was both funny and topical. You're doing your readers a disservice by depriving them of this tale of conservative cussedness.

Sorry if it was more interesting than the tale of the IA granny who went out with a whimper. No more threadjacking from me, I promise.

Re: the topic at hand - does Bobby J plan on giving his speech in tounges? Will he perform any miracles or exorcisms?

Posted by: Elitist Lib at November 06, 2008 01:40 PM (fdXAd)

24 Yes, the RNC should turn to Weekend Politicos and Monday Morning QB's to shape the future of the party. The RNC needs more on-line "community organizers" doing the heavy lifting.

Posted by: JohnnyB at November 06, 2008 01:42 PM (XARRY)

25 Where is the rights Mickey Kaus....

88 million dollars and one million volunteers for the left.
Between Move On and Acorn.
We are screwed forever.

Posted by: free at November 06, 2008 01:42 PM (cFwGO)

26 Moving forward...

The GOP needs to recruit Petraeus. He can carry the social cons, fiscal cons, and attract the indies and moderates. Evangelicals can get behind true military heroes and military celebrities even if their social con credentials are spotty/non-existent. It's the uniforms and authoritarianism. If the GOP wants to win after Obama's third term, they need to A. find a celebrity candidate that unifies and grows the base, and B. develop new policy positions that actually have some appeal. Screaming about socialism is just retarded.

Posted by: Elitist Lib at November 06, 2008 01:46 PM (fdXAd)

27 in the true spirit of Obama supporters everywhere, spouted "I want my money today! It's my money. I want it right now!"
Dude should have gone into JG Wentworth.
It's my money and I want it noooowwww!

Posted by: Entropy at November 06, 2008 01:46 PM (m6c4H)

28 Seriously, people need to realize that we were totally screwed this election. Short of Zombie Reagan running, there was no way in hell we were going to win. The majority of Americans (which are not Republicans btw) hate Bush and were going to punish the GOP. Hell a lot of really fiscally conservative Republicans hated Bush and didnt show up this go round either.

We have no one to blame but ourselves.

Posted by: JohnnyB at November 06, 2008 01:47 PM (XARRY)

29 Make it almost 900 points down since Tuesday.
My unicorn must have a shipping delay or something.

Posted by: Francase at November 06, 2008 01:49 PM (nrLPb)

30 Eh. The only ones who are sellouts are the ones who chose to make a
statement and not vote, thereby allowing a socialist to become CinC.

Nobody was making a statement. Nobody.
Any Conservatives who are even slightly active voted. They wouldn't be active if they weren't. The 6 million, at least, who didn't show up at the polls would have supported a conservative if there was one to vote for. Nobody votes for VP.
Those six million are part of the tens of millions of people who are casual voters.
They vote when it means something to them or not at all. McCain is generally conservative but not on any of the important issues of this election and not in any strong voice on social issues. People don't hear what they like they don't show up. You can rail till you are blue in the face about how selfish that is but it doesn't change it. This was not a foreign policy election, that was 2004.

With Clinton appointees it sure looks like Obama will be just as bad as Clinton on foreign policy so 2012 may be, but 2008 never was.

This is a tremendous opportunity for Conservatism. Social issue props did well this election, even in blue states that went heavily for Obama. Socially the country is still firmly center right. If the Republicans can convince the public that they are really fiscally conservative again, which shouldn't be hard with Dems ready to bailout everyone except churches, they should be able to rebound very quickly. There was no sea change this election, people just booted those they thought responsible, regardless of who really was.

Posted by: Rocks at November 06, 2008 01:49 PM (Q1lie)

31 A. find a celebrity candidate that unifies and grows the base, and B.
develop new policy positions that actually have some appeal. Screaming
about socialism is just retarded.

Yep, we better grow the base or you can kiss NM, NV, CO goodbye forever. Not to mention the 15-20 million illegals who are going to get amnesty in the next 4 years. Then you can kiss AZ goodbye as well, which means no more Presidents ever again unless we figure out how to expand the base.

Posted by: JohnnyB at November 06, 2008 01:51 PM (XARRY)

32 ok this is why we fail to win. right now the caol industry is crashing. it is down more than 30% in since mid tues. Obama has caused the caol industry stocks to crash. his comments. Has lost millions to investors and we don't say anything. Maybe we are too stupid to win.
Obama has caused a 9% sell off in the market. Everyone's 401k is being destroyed by the obama victory and yet we are not yelling it from the top of our lungs.

Posted by: unseen at November 06, 2008 01:52 PM (aVGmX)

33 I love me some Piuyush "Bobby" Jindal. I voted for him when he ran against Kathleen "edith bunker" Blanco and have wanted to have his babies ever since.

Posted by: MFin G I M P at November 06, 2008 01:53 PM (rjaXU)

34 Screaming about socialism is just retarded.

Excellent point ! I like you.

Posted by: Karl Marx at November 06, 2008 01:53 PM (NPzE8)

35 Policies that'll win:
- Immigration reform that's Mexi and Business friendly: the xenophobia thing isn't getting any more popular, but locking down the border and fast tracking Mexi citizenship can be done and would be a big win. Obama won't do this.
- Return to strong defense posture and foreign policy realism (more appealing after Obama) Petreaus can do this.
- Pro Green Business Policy: green is also growing. After Obama falls short here, folks like the Terminator and Crist can make this a GOP cause. Tax breaks for families who practice real and literal conservatism, and for businesses who do likewise.

*stop fighting yesterday's battle and looking for a "change agent" messiah. Jindal will be old hat after Obama is through playing the young change agent card. Folks will be ready for a seasoned voice of moderation. Recruit Petraeus. He'll leave CENTCOM in March or June of next year. You heard here first.

Posted by: Elitist Lib at November 06, 2008 01:54 PM (fdXAd)

36 EL,
Does anyone else ever call you on your repulsive anti-faith bigotry? Or are all your friends just as vile, venomous, unthinkingly hate-filled, and doltish as you? Do they also confuse Catholic and Protestant/Charismatic as stupidly as you do much like a KKK member might call a Polynesian a racial slur derived from the background of a Pakistani? Just like those other bigots, your hatred shows your stupidity. Get bent, bigot. Backwards.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 06, 2008 01:55 PM (4OJ78)

37 Attack people. Obama causing a 9% selloff in the market. Coal stocks being destroyed. 401k's losing trillions because of fear of socialism and Obama's policies.

Attack this news use it make people understand the price of their vote. Dow 9500 never to be seen again in the next 4 years.

Posted by: unseen at November 06, 2008 01:57 PM (aVGmX)

38 Pro Green Business Policy: green is also growing

I'm BACK, baby!




Posted by: Global Warming at November 06, 2008 01:59 PM (NPzE8)

39 After working my arse off for Palin/McCain for 90 days I will enjoy the leftist freak show.

Do Jesse Jackson and all the other neo-con, moveON, moonbats realize that Obama is surrounded by Jews?

- Rahn
- Soros
- Pritzker
- Katz
- even terrorists Ayers and Dohrn!

What will anti-semites like Farrakkhan think?

Get out the popcorn......too funny.

Posted by: exDemocrat at November 06, 2008 02:00 PM (ALxX7)

40 And if you're interested in the 2012 race already,

God, FUCK no I'm not. Starting the 2008 race at the end of 2006 was bad enough; I've been burned out on this election for nearly a year now and just wanting it to be over with. It's like if stores started playing Christmas music in May or something. If the 2012 campaign starts now I'm checking right the fuck out of politics for a good long while.

Posted by: Alex at November 06, 2008 02:02 PM (pZyFx)

41 Attack people. Obama causing a 9% selloff in the market. Coal stocks being destroyed. 401k's losing trillions because of fear of socialism and Obama's policies.
Obama is just making it easier for poor people to buy stocks.

Posted by: robtr at November 06, 2008 02:02 PM (C6ME0)

42 Evangelicals can get behind true military heroes and military
celebrities even if their social con credentials are
spotty/non-existent. It's the uniforms and authoritarianism

You're confusing the evangelicals with the fags. I don't doubt that you love to be whipped by a butch blond guy in a Nazi uniform.

Posted by: flenser at November 06, 2008 02:02 PM (ANOxp)

43 If I read correctly, there are 80 truly contestable House seats now held by Democrats. Think a single one of those Dems is going to vote for nationalizing our 401Ks?

Posted by: Cedric at November 06, 2008 02:05 PM (lnz0F)

44 Melodic Metal -- Out of curiosity - since I was only 8 years old when Carter got elected - how soon did the country do acollective WTF? Was it within the first six months, did it take longer? Just would like to know when we all can begin to witness the buyers remorse from people. For obvious reasons, I'm hoping it's way sooner rather than later. I hope everyone's not ridiculously stubborn re: Obama as their choice. You know how liberals and democrats can be. Now that they've got their dream come true, it would have to take a lot for them to wake up and smell the coffee and actually admit that The Annointed One is just a regular schmoe from Chicago -- not someone special.

Posted by: sassypants at November 06, 2008 02:05 PM (0O502)

45 I figured outwhy Obama was elected and McCain was not.
Please go to www.tinyurl.com/5wmqugto read all about it!!!!

Posted by: Puget Sound Island Girl at November 06, 2008 02:05 PM (Z5Swx)

46 Yea green policy is the ticket.....to destruction. They couldn't even pass it in Cal with Obama, Green is fucking dead. The only green that matters in a recession is cash. People could care less about the environment if it's gonna cost real money, which it always will. Republicans should be pushing drilling and digging wherever and whenever they can.
Even Germany is saying fuck Global Warming. Gaia will look good in a bikini.

Posted by: Rocks at November 06, 2008 02:06 PM (Q1lie)

47 The dems like Cramer were yelling "go to cash over two years ago" always wondered why cause at the time things didn't look bad. I'm still in the market and I see all of their "wealth" was preserved for now. McCain was telling the truth when he said soemthing about being a republican and being poor. The dems have all the real wealth now, let's see if they can keep its worth.

Posted by: incredulous at November 06, 2008 02:06 PM (zplc6)

48 Seriously, Fuck coal. It currently makes up approximately 60% of our base power source and is one of the dirtiest sources of energy out there. It dumps more carbon into the atmosphere than burning oil. Sequestering the burn off by pumping it into the ground (i.e. "clean coal" - is too expensive, too risky, and limited to areas with a specific and narrow set of geographic features).

Global warming is a reality, much like evolution - which means (I realize) that many of you knuckle draggers will continue to deny it at your electoral peril. But, hey - McCain sure cleaned up in coal country didn't he? If the GOP wants to grow its brand, than it needs to acknowledge global warming and the oil, coal, and ethanol industries' contribution to global warming. We need alt energy and nuke power, like France! The sooner people stop voting on the basis of their narrow local interests (cars in Detroit, ethanol in the upper midwest, oil in TX, coal in Appalachia) the sooner we'll make progress on this front. You know what's even dumber though? Not even having skin in the game and going along with the party line (MORE COAL, DRILL BABY DRILL) because you're a partisan hack.

Posted by: Elitist Lib at November 06, 2008 02:09 PM (fdXAd)

49 ok this is why we fail to win. right now the coal industry is crashing. it is down more than 30% since mid tues. Obama has caused the coal industry stocks to crash. his comments has lost millions to investors and we dont say anything. Maybe we are too stupid to win.
Obama has caused a 9% sell off in the market. Everyones 401k is being destroyed by the obama victory and yet we are not yelling it from the top of our lungs.

Posted by: unseen at November 06, 2008 02:09 PM (aVGmX)

50 Two suggestions:

1) We need to start reading Alinsky and all the other books the leftists read and start following their strategies. After all, they are "the Man" now, and we are the radical revolutionaries.

2) We need to start our own "long march through the institutions". Get conservatives onto school boards and local political offices, into teaching, into the media under the radar. Start influencing the system. Start changing minds. Start building that farm team from which future state and national conservative candidates will come.

Posted by: lmg at November 06, 2008 02:10 PM (A/vgC)

51 "The only ones who are sellouts are the ones who chose to make a statement and not vote"
Prepping for the Romney run, 'eh. Make my day, punk.

Posted by: Gary Gulrud at November 06, 2008 02:10 PM (WVqWP)

52 The Carter WTF was fast. first because he barely got and would never have without Nixon. Everything was just bad and Carter's answer literally was we deserved it.
Plus the Dems were at war internally. Kennedy hated Carter and fucked him whenever possible. The press followed suit.
Obama's will be slower unless he really buys into his own philosophy as right no matter what ala Carter.


Posted by: Rocks at November 06, 2008 02:10 PM (Q1lie)

53 Re: 44, For me and alot of others it was Carters first day in office when he gave amnesty to all Veitnam draft dodgers and deserters.

Posted by: robtr at November 06, 2008 02:10 PM (C6ME0)

54 Unseen, there aren't going to be any rich to tax, the market is getting worse every day. The traders and WS people who voted this guy in are just plain stupid or shorting the market and making millions.

Posted by: incredulous at November 06, 2008 02:11 PM (zplc6)

55 The sooner people stop voting on the basis of their narrow local
interests (cars in Detroit, ethanol in the upper midwest, oil in TX,
coal in Appalachia) the sooner we'll make progress on this front.

Yeah you keep waiting on that. Get back to me when it starts working.

Posted by: Rocks at November 06, 2008 02:13 PM (Q1lie)

56 Wonder how many hedge fund managers contributed enormous sums of money to BO's campaign?

Posted by: incredulous at November 06, 2008 02:13 PM (zplc6)

57 Seriously, Fuck coal.

Seriously, what will you replace it with?

Come on, you pretend intellectual, dazzle us with your grasp of the energy topic. Or go back to yakking about how you want to adapt straight kids and introduce them to the joys of homo sex. You were more persuasive on that topic.


Posted by: flenser at November 06, 2008 02:14 PM (ANOxp)

58 Maybe we are too stupid to win.
Cannot disagree with this.

Posted by: Mr. Pissed at November 06, 2008 02:16 PM (X7Ey1)

59 I live in Louisiana, I like Jindal, but be very careful what ya ask for if ya plan on backing him. He did real well in Gustav, but I get the feeling he is moderate cutting taxes and less intrusive government. If he runs in 2012 I probably will not vote for him. Governor in 2011 yes, President 2012, no. I like Palin much better and her at the top of the ticket would be my pick, one caveat, I do not want a moderate or liberal on the ticket with her. Therefore, I don't want Jindal on the Presidential ticket in 2012.

Posted by: Fred W Hailar at November 06, 2008 02:17 PM (JP0r3)

60 "Global warming is a reality"

No, it's your religion, or your attempt to justify central planning given that it failed miserably on economic grounds.


Posted by: Cedric at November 06, 2008 02:17 PM (lnz0F)

61 Out of curiosity - since I was only 8 years old when Carter got elected

My memory on this isn't perfect. I was twenty-one and far more interested in chasing the perfect buzz and the perfect blow job than I was in fiscal policy. My recollection is that about the time of the mid term elections, people began to realize that there was a turd in the punchbowl.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 06, 2008 02:18 PM (DVVXZ)

62 If the 2012 campaign starts now I'm checking right the fuck out of politics for a good long while.

Amen to that.

And Elitist Lib -- Carbon dioxide as a global warming agent is a fucking fallacy that anyone with half a brain and the ability to follow a chart could see.

You might as well say increased foliage gives a net aggregate to GW, because the logic and the data are. exactly. the. same.

Retard.

You are so eager to castigate those of more provincial religions, and yet are a firm adherent to the post-modernist one of "Anthropogenic Global Warming."

What a frick'n joke.

Posted by: krakatoa at November 06, 2008 02:19 PM (/FUhT)

63 I wonder if Jindal will want to run in 2012. He's only 37, he clearly wants to improve his state from corruption and Blanco's ineptness. He's up for reelection in 2011. By the time the 2012 campaign starts in 2010 (god help us), he'll have to decide whether he wants to run for governor or not. If he decides he wants to run for president, he won't run for governor, b/c the campaigns would be going on at the same time. How would he explain to people in his state that he should be re-elected when he's also running to be president. I suspect at this point, his interest lies in fixing Louisiana.

Posted by: Dan at November 06, 2008 02:21 PM (f0JFT)

64 I hope the RNC realizes from this loss that people, especially during hard times financially, *WANT* the government to bridge the gap. I served for 5 years in the US Army and my GI Bill alone would not be enough to fund my education. If not for Stafford loans, subsidized and unsubsidized, I could not finish my education in a reasonable amount of time.

The RNC needs to refocus on Government Partnership with the citizens instead of the liberal ideal of having Government artificially lifting people via redistributive policies. The RNC needs to develop a 21st centruy model that promises people that their personal sacrifices will be met with rewards.

Bridging the Gap:

- All eligible students seeking a *first* 4-year degree in Math, Science, and Engineering will receive a 50-75% subsidy to their tuition in return for signing a contract to serve in those 3 fields for 8 years following graduation with a B (3.0) GPA.

- Create a National requirement in education (7th grade - 12th grade) in Civics, Personal Finance, and Personal Investment. It is a sad day when the average citizen has no idea what the 3 branches of government are, how to balance a checkbook, and what a Roth IRA are. Start creating fiscally sound principles in personal finance and investment and the youth will break Republican in the long run.

- There are already talks of $99 Internet-focused notebooks around the corner. Ensure that rural America has access to Internet infrastructure and computing in school and at home. The more savvy the flyover country becomes, the more connected their values become with the rest of the US and the rest of the world.

Just a few ideas on how to grow the base through the youth of the US via logic.

Posted by: JohnnyB at November 06, 2008 02:22 PM (XARRY)

65 Thanks for clarifying about Carter.
Yeah, isn't it interesting, how the market's gone down so much, and yet no one (no report I can see) is at all alluding to the fact that it's tanking because of Obama. Cause you know, if McCain had taken office, and this happened, the media would be all over it - interpreting the fallas investors being very uneasy about McCain as the new president. No, instead, reports like Bloomberg News are attributing it all to the worsening economy even though president elect Obama is taking measures to alleviate the problems. I would quote it, except I'm paraphrasing. That's essentially whatBloomberg said.
And as to how the Republican party moves forward, I too agree with 1mg and others who say we should begin taking a page out of the Democrat's rule book and start reading up on crap like Saul Alinsky etc... Maybe when we as Republicans, start spreading fear into the hearts of everyone in regard to the repercussions of liberals, than maybe people will wake up from their collective reverie. Let's face it, the Dems did an excellent job spreading fear into everyone about 4 more years of Republican leadership. They used the internet to their advantage. We've got to get much smarter. We played it toonice and easy. And next go around, we need to get someone like Karl Rove back in charge of the campaign. This was a fucking disaster.

Posted by: sassypants at November 06, 2008 02:23 PM (0O502)

66 That was an interesting question that rush posed "They knew who he was/is and why are they bringing this out now? Are they afraid of what he is going to do?"

Posted by: incredulous at November 06, 2008 02:23 PM (zplc6)

67 WHY I AM HAPPY MCCAIN LOST:
Based upon McCain HORRID campaign and CRINGEWORTHY commercials, I often found myself wondering aloud if he was, in fact, becoming senile.
If he is, we are better off letting the Democrats crash and burn in charge then have a Republican who is "out-of-it" screw things up.
P.S. Dow down 1000 points since Obama elected. Press trying to spin it as completely unrelated. Yeah right. They are saying "this selloff just makes no sense". Da, of COURSE it does. We elected a tax-hiking socialist!

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at November 06, 2008 02:23 PM (3Tdbm)

68 Africa is not visible from Alaska....hence Governor Palin's confusion.

Posted by: Carlos at November 06, 2008 02:23 PM (B5k/5)

69 To Flenser and Inspector Asshole,

You guys should show me more respect. I at least know how to call a winning horse early in the game, and I'm only trying to help you losers out. The fact is the religious nuts in the GOP will never get a chance to drive the national party bus. Sure, they're necessary for knocking on doors and making phone calls, and they can even put their folks in power in "key" backward shitholes like AK and LA. But they don't gel with the rest of us, whether we're liberal, defense con, fiscal con, etc. Maybe Huckabee does, but only because he's nice and overcame being a fatty.
Evangelicals and social cons turn everything they touch into shit. They're the retarded uncle who lives in the basement. They can help keep the house in order and make things interesting, but there's no way we'll ever let them touch the checkbook. If you want to visit a fucked up part of this great country, go to any backwater municipality that considers itself a bastion of morality (i.e. Wasilla or any other hick Red Sore) - I guarantee you you'll find more obesity, meth, divorce, high school drop outs, teenage pregnancies, and general ignorance than if you come to any of our liberal and rapidly gentrifying big cities. The social cons need to clean their own act up before they try to "rescue" the rest of the GOP. Stop trying to "home school" the GOP. You've fucked it up enough, thank you very much.

Posted by: Elitist Lib at November 06, 2008 02:23 PM (fdXAd)

70 Evangelicals can get behind true military heroes and military celebrities even if their social con credentials are spotty/non-existent. It's the uniforms and authoritarianism.
I have no idea where you're coming up with that, Elitist Lib. As you may recall, Gary Bauer and social cons were the most adamant against Colin Powell getting the nomination in 1996.

Posted by: Matt at November 06, 2008 02:25 PM (ecpMe)

71 I take it that that means "I don't have a clue" in response to my question. And you seemed so darned intellectual too,

Posted by: flenser at November 06, 2008 02:28 PM (ANOxp)

72 Global warming is a reality

Typical lib polytheist with his gods being public schools (epic fail), communism (discredited through failure to all except the tenured morons) and global warming (reverse Galileo where man becomes the center of all problems of the universe). Don't dislocate your shoulder patting yourself on the back for going to the head of the dumbfuck class.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 06, 2008 02:28 PM (m2sQh)

73 Alaska and Africa are BOTH continents because they begin with the letter A, right? Picky, picky, picky.

Don't start, "Kilo."

Posted by: Helen at November 06, 2008 02:30 PM (CXoVZ)

74 The fact is the religious nuts in the GOP will never get a chance to drive the national party bus.
I thought you libs believed that George W. Bush was a religious nut.

Posted by: Matt at November 06, 2008 02:30 PM (ecpMe)

75 am shocked and saddened by the right blogs. Obamas election has caused a 10% fall in the stock market. it has wiped out the coal industry stocks and we say nothing.
When the market droped 10% in Sept the dems were all over it. blaming Bush, McCain rep failed policies of free market.
Now we have elected a socialist and the market tanks 10% and this isnt news? Are you people nuts.???? Obamas voters were the poor and the affluent white middle class. To destroy Obama and the dem majority we must tak back the white affluent middle class. To do that we must shove in their faces how much of their money their white guilt has cost them.
TYhis should be every post every houtr of everyday until the market goes up and then we move on to the next problem the dems make. ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK.

Posted by: unseen at November 06, 2008 02:31 PM (aVGmX)

76 Carter blew ass, end of story. Iran was holding our people, gas lines were insane with $3 maximums, unbelievable unemployment, 20% mortgage rates, and all that dumb fuck did was keep saying " lets join hands". If brains were dynamite he couldn't blow a ripple in a teaspoon of piss. Not to mention that he is a fucking traitor with his bashing the US at every chance he gets.

Posted by: Hellfire at November 06, 2008 02:31 PM (AcZF0)

77 Matt, 1996 wasn't a time of GLOBAL WAR AGAINST THE MUSLIM MENACE!!!!

Things have changed. Soldiers are saints now. Folks like Haggerd and Falwell? Not so much. When everyone has money and things are going well, it's easy to go after Bubba for getting a BJ from a fatty and having reservations about Powell because he's not a religious nutter. Priorities have shifted.

Posted by: Elitist Lib at November 06, 2008 02:31 PM (fdXAd)

78 How the hell could she be a sellout for working on McCains campaign? Are these people, idiots? Any Pro-Lifer that didnt vote for McCain is a liar and/or an idiot. This next president may be the difference between Roe v. Wade being overturned and not. Those Pro-Lifers that called this lady a sell out and refused to support McCain signed a death sentence for 40 million + babies last Tuesday. I swear, that kind of mentality will destroy not only the Republican Party but the conservative movement itself. Idiots. Blooming idiots!

Posted by: Tversky at November 06, 2008 02:33 PM (NVJWK)

79 If you want to visit a fucked up part of this great country, go to any
backwater municipality that considers itself a bastion of morality

I've always noticed that you elitist libs consider yourselves to be the bastion of morality. You clowns could teach the religious right lessons when it comes to holier-than-thou sanctimony and delusions of moral superiority.


Posted by: flenser at November 06, 2008 02:33 PM (ANOxp)

80 Do you have any candidates you can point to in support of your argument? Which military guys with spotty "social con credentials" have evangelicals swooned over?

Posted by: Matt at November 06, 2008 02:34 PM (ecpMe)

81 dear elitist lib:

First off: Go fuck yourself

Second: take a gander into any urban area. Crackheads, bums (err homeless people errr vagrants errr transients) graffiti, trash, corruption, failing school systems, broken families, high crime rates (hell, more people were killed in chicago and nyc than in Iraq the past few months) litter those urban basitions of liberal light.

dipshit

Posted by: icemike at November 06, 2008 02:35 PM (lT1JC)

82 Elistist lib:

Here's a funny story: A nutty lefty friend of mine claimed that we HAVE to stop global warming, and not passing Kyoto was a disgrace...blah...blah..blah...

I asked him how much more he was willing to pay for gas to curb carbon emissions. His face went white, and claimed NOTHING -- that HE shouldn't have to pay for it.

By the way, there is an easy way to make all this global warming nonsense go away. Republicans need to come out in support of a carbon tax as long it is completely offset by income tax cuts.

Posted by: Cedric at November 06, 2008 02:35 PM (lnz0F)

83 Flenser, let me guess - your plan for a GOP comeback involves going harder to the right?

Matt, GW is religious and kind of a nut, but not on the scale of Palin or Jindal. Bush had you folks convinced though, didn't he? Question: what did Bush ever do to reduce abortion or end gay marriage? Nothing. At heart he's a Yalie and a Harvard man, more like his pop than the white trash Jesus freaks who he pretended to like. That's what's so cool about the devout - they're soooo easy to dupe.

Posted by: Elitist Lib at November 06, 2008 02:36 PM (fdXAd)

84 the problem with the GOP is its failure to educate people on the cost of their choices. the choice of the Americian people has cost the USA 10% of its Stock Market. It has cost the coal industry 30% of its capital.
As of right now those voting for dems vote for them because they dont want to be selfish, racist, uncool etc. there is no cost for their vote. They vote for the dems and think highly of themselves. They did good
We must educate them to the cost of that vote. How their vote cost the market 10% how their vote cost millions their freedom around the world, how their choice made entire regions of the world unstable.
EDUCATE the votes. god knows they need it.
The Dow closed at 9511 on Tues it is now below 8750. That was the cost of their vote.

Posted by: unseen at November 06, 2008 02:37 PM (aVGmX)

85 Boringtroll is boring. Ban his ass.
Markets down 450 points.

Posted by: Entropy at November 06, 2008 02:38 PM (m6c4H)

86 I am interested in hearing what Jindal has to say, but do not want election stuff for 2012 to start yet. It lasted too long this time. Can we however, do anything about having areas of the country that are more liberal choosing our candidate next time? That would be worth doing.

Posted by: Hurting Head at November 06, 2008 02:39 PM (yW/Al)

87 When everyone has money and things are going well, it's easy to go after Bubba for getting a BJ from a fatty

I recall you elitist libs going after Packwood when some bimbos claimed that he'd patted them on the ass thirty years earlier. So your sudden belief that sex is no ones business is just the routine hypocrisy that we've long come to expect from the master hypocrites.

You know, sort of like the way you fucktards attack Republicans as the party of the evil rich, AND as the party of trailer park trash.

I guess it requires some minimum level on intelligence to be aware of the contradictions in what you say.


Posted by: flenser at November 06, 2008 02:39 PM (ANOxp)

88 winning horse early in the game

see asshole? your stupid mixed metaphor shows the difference between thinking people and you collectivist idiots.

Thinking people recognized that this election was about the future of the country.

IT WAS NOT the Superbowl, World Series or some horse race.



You won this round elitist pissant.

America and freedom lost.

check back in 4 yrs and tell me ALL ABOUT your "victory".

sleep tight, dickhead.

Posted by: Global Warming at November 06, 2008 02:40 PM (NPzE8)

89 <purchases a paychecks worth of carbon credits >


/Global Warming off

Posted by: jadedinga at November 06, 2008 02:42 PM (NPzE8)

90 Hey icemike,

What are the property values like out in red America? What are the property values like in the cities? If city life is as blighted as you think it is, than why is it that anyone who can afford to is moving intown or already lives in a city. It doesn't matter where you live - Chicago, DC, Atlanta, NY, LA, etc etc etc. People live in the burbs and hinterlands because it's affordable, not because it's desirable. When you have more disposable income you'll know what I'm talking about. Until then, enjoy another shitty weekend eating at some chain restaurant while oggling the white trash high school hostess. Maybe you and the wife can rent a movie at Block Buster for shits and giggles.

Posted by: Elitist Lib at November 06, 2008 02:45 PM (fdXAd)

91 Elitist,
I'm sure all the Wiccans, Pagans, Muslims, Jews, as well as the Reverends Jackson, Farrakhan and Wright would love to hear your opinion of religious nuts.

Posted by: katya at November 06, 2008 02:45 PM (G3frc)

92 sassy', Bloomberg is probably getting their copy from AP's Tom Paradis - or they're all getting their marching orders from a third party, because it all looks the same: "Huh? Election?? What election, dude? Cisco! Retails sales!"

I'm already burnt out this afternoon blogging about it...

Also, Drudge points to this: http://tinyurl.com/5vlwmk . Worst post-election stock plunge. Ever. Including FDR at the start of the GD. Getting no airplay whatsoever.

Posted by: goy at November 06, 2008 02:49 PM (BCIGN)

93 I want to reiterate my points. The future of the GOP and Conservative Ideals are being fought at this moment in the schools and universities in the US and we are losing badly. If you make the current education system analogous to WWII, Conservative ideals in education are the 101st Airborne in the Battle for Bastogne. Surrounded, freezing, starving, and under constant assault and bombardment. Look at Obama and Ayers, they are infiltrating our school system and instilling ideals that will forever alter the political ideals of future generations. Why is it that the vast majority of college educated voters swing Liberal Democrat? Because they are marinated in that shit for 4 years!

The GOP needs to stop relying on HS-educated White Voters as a base. Why? Because they are eventually going to be overran by liberal leaning blacks and hispanics - hispanics having the only positive birth rate in the US at the moment. The GOP needs to take back the education system. It is the single largest indoctrinator of liberal ideals in the US.

Until you shift the thinking of the US towards one of fiscal conservatism and logic based governance in support of Free Trade and Capitalist ideals, we are losing one generation after the next.

Look at it this way. Who has more to lose from higher taxes and runaway government spending? The High School grad working for $11 and hour, or the Electrical Engineer making $40 an hour? It defies logic. We need to combat this hopey-changey-give your money to someone else stream of consciousness spewing from university professors. This is where the radicals shifted after the 60's because they new it was a fertile breeding ground for impressionable youth.

- Create a National requirement in education
(7th grade - 12th grade) in Civics, Personal Finance, and Personal
Investment. It is a sad day when the average citizen has no idea what
the 3 branches of government are, how to balance a checkbook, and what
a Roth IRA are. Start creating fiscally sound principles in personal
finance and investment and the youth will break Republican in the long
run.

Posted by: JohnnyB at November 06, 2008 02:49 PM (XARRY)

94 ACCORDING TO CNBC:
There is NO correlation between Obama's election and this 1000 point selloff. So the new POTUS says he is going to explode the Cap Gains Rate and that has NO effect on stocks?

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at November 06, 2008 02:50 PM (3Tdbm)

95 Seriously, though, I want to help - which is why I'm encouraging you to recruit Petraeus.

Praying for an Obama light (Jindal) or for a reprise of 2008 (Palin!) to resurrect your movement reeks of a lack of creativity. I realize you're conservative, but if you want to be electorally viable in the future you'll need to evolve and come up with something a little more salient than the best hits from the 1990's - tax cuts! Gingrich! Christian Coalition Redux! 1994 called, and they want Joe the Plumber back.

Posted by: Elitist Lib at November 06, 2008 02:51 PM (fdXAd)

96 applebees is very shitty. Except for the happy hour.

High school waitress? Nah.


19 year olds are the bees knees.

Posted by: icemike at November 06, 2008 02:51 PM (lT1JC)

97 The John Galt of the stock market has begun. Thanks Obama! Where is my fuckinig unicorn bitch?

Posted by: robtr at November 06, 2008 02:52 PM (C6ME0)

98 Elitist Lib, I guess you weren't actually able to come up with any military types with spotty or nonexistent social con credentials that evangelicals support.
Question: what did Bush ever do to reduce abortion or end gay marriage?
I can give you a pretty long list of what Bush did with regard to abortion at least. In 2001, one of his first acts was to ban use of U.S. money for organizations that promote abortion overseas. He restricted RU-486 funding. He put pro-lifers on international panels. He started putting pro-life judges on federal courts, culminating with two very strong pro-lifers on SCOTUS. He classified fetuses as unborn children and thus eligible for federal health aid. He opposed human cloning and funded abstinence and adoption programs. He supported the ban on partial birth abortion. I could go on. In short, he did a lot to reduce abortion. You make a lot of claims that you can't back up with facts, my friend.

Posted by: Matt at November 06, 2008 02:55 PM (ecpMe)

99 I agree #95, Contract with America is so 90's. The RNC needs to develop a Partnership with America to create a means for citizens to enter into the 21st Century. Education, Personal Finance and Investment, and a Strong Foreign Policy to defend our interests and Free Trade abroad.

Americans will break Republican when they feel they have a vested monetary interest in the success of Wall Street and growing personal savings. Remember:

"Investors are evenly divided between the two candidates (McCain/Obama), but Obama leads by a two-to-one margin among non-investors."

Posted by: JohnnyB at November 06, 2008 02:56 PM (XARRY)

100 Don't get the love for Jindal....creationism...no thanks.

Posted by: Eric at November 06, 2008 02:57 PM (WGBbc)

101 JohnnyB (#93) - for what's it worth, I do agree with you. Due to missteps on the GOP side and clever marketing by the Dems, Republicans have been sold as the party of uneducated, backward hicks while the party leaders have been country club republicans selling out on the ideals of fiscal responsibility and reduced spending, etc. It is time to change things in the GOP, get some new blood in and get articulate and intellectual conservatives in the game. Jindal has potential, he is intelligent and very articulate. Dems would try to hold his Catholic faith against him but I don't think that would get them very far. But the GOP needs folks like this, with fresh ideas which can be inclusive to all.

Posted by: IC at November 06, 2008 02:57 PM (jZNCU)

102 Thanks, Goy (interesting screen name to say the least). Yeah, it truly is amazing to me that the stock market drop is not at all being correlated to the Obama win. I wish some financial advisors that these sites quote, would have the f'ing balls to say: the drop is due to that asshat taking office - in nicer words, but you get the drift. Anyway, I guess we'll be seeing you at the CT morons get-to-gether depending on where it's held.

Posted by: Sassypants at November 06, 2008 03:00 PM (StrII)

103 #100 - All practicing Catholics believe in creationism, Jindal is no different and he is not ramming down the throats of folks in LA, as the pope has said, it is not incompatible with evolution. A person's religion should not be held against him/her, we learned that with Romney.

Posted by: IC at November 06, 2008 03:01 PM (jZNCU)

104 Flenser, let me guess - your plan for a GOP comeback involves going harder to the right?

Going hard to the left has not exactly been a rousing success, has it? Most of the GOP domestic agenda these last eight years has been cribbed from the Ted Kennedy playbook.

BTW, you're a far bigger bigot and vastly more ignorant than those people in small town America who you detest and fear.

And in come dank corner of your hate-filled mind, you know that. It's what makes you so fucking furious.


Posted by: flenser at November 06, 2008 03:02 PM (ANOxp)

105 Johnny B - interesting thoughts. Basic life skills should be part of any grade 7-12 education, but what makes you think that knowing how to manage money and knowing how govt works somehow excludes harboring liberal sentiment? Lots of people with lots of money are liberal - lawyers, doctors, the investor class, etc. Look at Buffet, look at Soros. Look at the fact that you just got owned by a candidate who out raised yours by more than 4:1. And he didn't need to rely on govt handouts to fund his campaign! Seriously, if anyone needs a life lesson it's your typical red state redneck. Look at Palin - unwed teenage daughter who's a highschool dropout. Look at Johnny Mac - divorced. Look at Joe the Plumber - tax evasion, not much money, divorced.
If you want to indoctrinate the youth, you need to inject some ideology. Start banning books, change curriculum, bring in religion and throw science out. Or better yet, start a parallel education system. Maybe the conservative movement will benefit from more Bob Jones Universities, Wheatons, or Patrick Henry's! Bwah ha ha ha ha ha!

Posted by: Elitist Lib at November 06, 2008 03:03 PM (fdXAd)

106 Eric,
who gives a shit about creationism? It's a local issue at best where it is one.
Would you rather vote for a guy who thinks God created the earth or a guy who thinks Bill Ayers is just a guy in the neighborhood?


Posted by: Rocks at November 06, 2008 03:03 PM (Q1lie)

107 Another point, I think everyone here agrees that the Financial Mess we are currently seeing, minus the "Obama Effect" is based upon fiscal irresponsibility. Sup Prime BS loans, people taking all the equity out of their homes to remodel kitchens, buy sports cars, and plasma TV's. The more we shift America towards an Investment culture, the less likely people are to appreciate tax increases, social program bread line and soup kitchens.

Americans save, on average, $0.01 per dollar earned. Wow. Holy shit, WTF! That number needs to come way up. People need to wake up and realize that if they invest with dollars that come from low taxes and a strong economy that they can buy their own unicorns.

That way, Obama has nothing to offer except the exact opposite of human nature. People are inherently self-interested and greedy.

Posted by: JohnnyB at November 06, 2008 03:04 PM (XARRY)

108 incredulous at November 06, 2008 02:11 PM

I'm up about 20% I bought SDS at the end of trading on Tues. Sold Wed night bought again this morning. It goes up 2 times what the sp500 goes down.

I hate taking stupid peoples money but anyone that things we will every see dow 9511 again in an Obama admin have no idea what they are doing and should not be in the market.

Dow 7,000 by jan 21st
DOw 1500 by nov4th 2010

Posted by: unseen at November 06, 2008 03:05 PM (aVGmX)

109 umm, can we ban Elitest Lib from the site? Why don't you just go back to your happy liberal blogs and get in touch with your new- found euphoria. Move along now, and don't bother us with your stupidity.

Posted by: Sassypants at November 06, 2008 03:07 PM (StrII)

110 the problem with the GOP is its failure to educate people on the cost of their choices. the choice of the Americian people has cost the USA 10% of its Stock Market. It has cost the coal industry 30% of its capital.
As of right now those voting for dems vote for them because they dont want to be selfish, racist, uncool etc. there is no cost for their vote. They vote for the dems and think highly of themselves. They did good
We must educate them to the cost of that vote. How their vote cost the market 10% how their vote cost millions their freedom around the world, how their choice made entire regions of the world unstable.
EDUCATE the votes. god knows they need it.
The Dow closed at 9511 on Tues it is now below 8750. That was the cost of their vote.
I agree unseen. But the GOP needs to educate its own base too. By staying home or voting Barr or Constitutional Party last Tuesday these idiots gave Obama a vote. I dont want to hear any more so-called true conservatives (that refused to vote for McCain because he didnt pass their purity test) whine about Obama. They can shut the fuck up because they couldnt have done more to help elect Dear Leader Hussein if they were one of Barrys Brownshirts. Theres no excuse for that kind of stupidity. But judging by many of the comments here (e.g,Id never vote for Jindal! Hes a moderate!!, Im so happy McCain lost! Now well get Reagan!) stupidity is rampant in the GOP base.
Im also wildly unimpressed with the teach the GOP a lesson voters. You hurt yourselves, hurt your country and ensure the death of millions of unborn babies. I hope youre happy. Maybe you should start posting at Daily Kos or Democratic Underground? After all, you helped Barry win.
Oh, and dont assume McCains loss means the resurrection of Reagan. Carter was nave while Barry is shrewd. Hes basically a conman. I think the better analogy is with FDR. FDRs policies actually pro-longed the Great Depression but with his amazing communication skills and ability to manipulate the electorate he managed to con millions of people into becoming lifelong Democrats. Barry will do the same when he, Pelosi and Reid grant amnesty to those 40 million + illegal alien Hispanic voters. The Republican Party can kiss the West goodbye.
Lastly, Id love it if some of the Lets defeat McCain so we can get our new Reagan voters would go back and actually look at Reagans record.Reagan was a RINO. He granted amnesty to millions of illegal aliens, he raised taxes, he signed a super liberal abortion bill while Governor of California, he picked moderates for the Supreme Court, etc. Theres no way hed pass your pure conservative test. Unless the base wakes up and gets realistic theyll be in the same position they are now in 4 years: Wimpering about the lack of true conservatives in the Republican Party. Refusing to vote for the dreaded RINOs and helping ensure Barry Obamas socialist party garners even greater control of this country.

Posted by: Tversky at November 06, 2008 03:07 PM (NVJWK)

111 wow so believing in any sor of creationsim disqualifies you from public office - thanks for the tip

Posted by: Rob at November 06, 2008 03:08 PM (/Zcox)

112 Hey EL, as a restaurant owner in the suburbs of New Orleans, I am absolutely certain you will never darken my door. You'll have to go into the city to have that 5-course penis-tasting dinner. Cocksucker.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 06, 2008 03:08 PM (bu0Ek)

113 YES Rush finally brings up the market! Ace, you could have beat RUSH to the punch. DOW down 9% coal stocks down 30% in two days.

Posted by: unseen at November 06, 2008 03:09 PM (aVGmX)

114 #105, McCain and Obama were tied amongst investors. Obama led by more than 2:1 amongst non-investors.

The only reason they were tied amongst investors is because people ignorantly believed the Republicans were to blame for the Financial Mess. If they had the facts that these "Credit Default Swaps" were infected by Pookie getting a Democrat-subsidized sub-prime loan, then the investment class would have broken much greater for McCain.

I'd much rather go after the 50/50 crowd that voted out of ignorance than the 2:1 for Obama that voted for free unicorns, gas, and government paid mortgages.

Posted by: JohnnyB at November 06, 2008 03:09 PM (XARRY)

115 Elitist Lib, you might be surprised, but some of us do think the high school drop out, teenage and pregnant Palin daughter actually has learned an important life lesson. Even though it will dramatically change her life and her education she thought it was important that she didn't kill her baby for her own convenience.

Posted by: Matt at November 06, 2008 03:09 PM (ecpMe)

116 I live in a big city, eat at non-chain restaurants, and occasionally attend the Pops. Broadway shows? Tasty! And you people make fun of Arugula. In my neighborhood, we have no crime, religious people, or unwed pregnancies! That crap all happens in the ghetto, a few blocks north!

And the crashing stock market is Bush's revenge...the death throes, if you will.

Bwahahahahaa!


Posted by: Another Stupid Typical Fucking Moonbat at November 06, 2008 03:10 PM (YmPwQ)

117 #103 - I agree 100% that evolution is not incompatible with creationism. Teach evolution in biology class and creationism in church. Jindal signed a bill effectively allowing creationism to be taught side-by-side in biology class. I think this would prove a huge obstacle for Jindal to overcome on the national stage, and I want republicans who can win to run for president.

Posted by: Eric at November 06, 2008 03:11 PM (WGBbc)

118 Tversky at November 06, 2008 03:07 PM (NVJWK)
agreed. teaching a GOP a lesson does not work they just close ranks. We must teach the lesson from a power of strength.

Posted by: unseen at November 06, 2008 03:11 PM (aVGmX)

119 So let me get this straight - according to Flenser the GOP has been hard left these past 8 years, and according to Matt Bush is the second coming of Christ because he reduced abortion.

I think we can all agree that the party just got its ass kicked! And that's why I'm so happy! But I digress - it seems like many here are advocating for going harder to the right and for trying to pull the rest of the country rightward via reforming the education system. Why not study what the Dems did with the DLC? Pragmatism and moving up the middle seem to be a much better strategy at a time like this. But if you want to double down the stupid that's your prerogative.

Posted by: Elitist Lib at November 06, 2008 03:13 PM (fdXAd)

120 Elitist,
Your list of people to hate and deride is getting pretty long. To the religious nuts (many of whom voted for Obama), we add:
pregnant teenagers, high-school dropouts, blue-collar workers, fat people and divorced people.
Who's left?

Posted by: katya at November 06, 2008 03:14 PM (G3frc)

121 There is NO correlation between Obama's election and this 1000 point selloff. So the new POTUS says he is going to explode the Cap Gains Rate and that has NO effect on stocks?
Hah! I heard a guy on CNBC say stocks went down because Barrys victory speech proved his class warfare Main Street vs. Wall Street crap was more than just campaign rhetoric. He actually means it! Lol. Apparently there were a lot of idiot finance, investment, business people types that were hoping Barry was a closet moderate a la Bill Clinton. What these people fail to remember is that Bill didnt move to the center until the Dems lost control of the House to Gingrich and Greenspan/Rubin had their coming to Jesus meeting with him.

Posted by: Tversky at November 06, 2008 03:15 PM (NVJWK)

122 ElLib, btw, I'm an Atheist, Fiscal Conservative and US Army Veteran. So most of the insults you cast have little impact. I am a centrist on social issues. What I don't like, and will fight to the death over, is trying to model the United States of America on the Crypt of Western Europe.

Europe is a dying, decrepit, specter of socialist ideals. They realize that due to the youth now screwing for fun and not for kids, they can no longer pay for all their entitlements unless they raise taxes to 75% and above. Working like a slave to pay for elderly people with the guarantee that I won't ever receive the same benefits sounds like a great model on which to base a social contract.

Posted by: JohnnyB at November 06, 2008 03:15 PM (XARRY)

123 agree 100% that evolution is not incompatible with creationism. Teach evolution in biology class and creationism in church. Jindal signed a bill effectively allowing creationism to be taught side-by-side in biology class. I think this would prove a huge obstacle for Jindal to overcome on the national stage, and I want republicans who can win to run for president.
Posted by: Eric at November 06, 2008 03:11 PM (WGBbc)

the only differene between evolution and creationism is the timeframe and the who/what caused it.

The path of evolution from single cell to man is the same story as Genisis just with more detail.
Amazing the Jews got it right thousands of years ago. It took millions of scientists and billions of dollars for them to prove what Genisis says. the only questions left to fight over is who/what caused it and the time it took.

a day for God could be billions of years. So that is easy enough to do away with. That leaves who/what
that question will never be answered. So to Say you believe God used evolution to create life on earth is a great way to square the circle.

Posted by: unseen at November 06, 2008 03:16 PM (aVGmX)

124 Ahhh I see

Posted by: Rob at November 06, 2008 03:16 PM (/Zcox)

125 A word about evolution. I took a series of biology and AP classes a few years back. The instructor stated that she would not cover the evolution chapter of the biology text since evolution could not be proven as fact. She was an athiest.
I'm just saying.

Posted by: katya at November 06, 2008 03:19 PM (G3frc)

126 yeah those religious nuts are a problem - watch out, alot of right leaning religious nuts in the military on the tip of the spear - I say we give the islamofascists the bluestates

Posted by: Rob at November 06, 2008 03:20 PM (/Zcox)

127 Matt,
Bristol should have kept her pants on. Now her and Levi can look forward to a life of labor, with no chance of ever broadening their horizons and getting an education. People who marry young and have children when they're young are much more prone to divorce and lives of poverty and ignorance. She should have aborted, dumped Levi, and gotten the hell out of Wasilla (aka Children of the Corn country). Apparently momma Sarah is destined to be the preeminent scholar in the family (5 shitty schools in 6 years for a sports journalism degree, no wonder she fucked up every media appearance).
Ah Wasilla, meth capital of America's #1 welfare state. Northern Exposure indeed!

Posted by: Elitist Lib at November 06, 2008 03:23 PM (fdXAd)

128 Also, claims of indoctrinating children with Civics and Personal Finance and Investment principles is somehow far right? What the fuck? So we should teach our kids to be lifelong debtors and slaves to credit card debt? Republicans should stand upon the principles of personal responsibility and firmly opposed to the sentiment that because I become educated and wealthy I somehow owe the Lion's Share of my earnings to some POS who never thought it a good idea to become educated, wrap his jimmy before screwing and popping out 5 kids before the age of 21.

Just because poor people decided to double down on FAIL does not mean its the responsibility of the successful to pick his silly ass up and buy him a unicorn farting rainbows.

Posted by: JohnnyB at November 06, 2008 03:23 PM (XARRY)

129 if you want to double down the stupid that's your prerogative.

I guess the fact that it uses words like "prerogative" is the nod it gives towards being intellectual. The fact-free and hate-filled comments tend to blow that notion out of the water though.

Tell you what, fuck-wit. You want us to bow down before your mighty intellect, say something intelligent.

Posted by: flenser at November 06, 2008 03:23 PM (ANOxp)

130 Elitist,
One more to your hate list:
Young parents.

Posted by: katya at November 06, 2008 03:24 PM (G3frc)

131 Elitist,
One more to your hate list:
Young parents.
Don't forget Unicorns

Posted by: robtr at November 06, 2008 03:25 PM (C6ME0)

132 according to Matt Bush is the second coming of Christ because he reduced abortion. Sorry dude, I didn't say that. You made the argument that religious nuts will never get a chance to drive the national bus and I said that I thought you libs believed George W. Bush was a religious nut (a guy who still has the keys to the bus).So then you responded that Bush wasn't really a religious nut because he didn't do anything to decrease abortions or gay marriage. I then gave you a pretty long list of things heactually did do to decrease abortions. You are very difficult to have a discussion with because you're constantly changing the parameters.

Posted by: Matt at November 06, 2008 03:26 PM (ecpMe)

133 I've heard ONE media comment on Obama and the market meltdown, and then they shut up about it really fast. Yesterday morning, I turned on the Business News Network to see what the early stock market reaction would be. It was too early, the markets hadn't opened in NY, so the giddy, smiling anchors filled the time with video of Obama celebrations from the night before. An hour later I checked again - market was down 150 or so, and the anchor said "It looks like the election of Barack Obama is already old news to the markets; they're clearly responding to forecasts of an economic turndown next year." Since then, nothing.

Posted by: Dr Mabuse at November 06, 2008 03:27 PM (AVYqB)

134 I don't care one way or the other if creationsim is taught in public schools, I am surprised at the level of fear evolution devotees show whenever the idea of it comes up. It's almost as if they believe it can't stand competition in the arena of ideas

Posted by: Rob at November 06, 2008 03:27 PM (/Zcox)

135 One more to your hate list

Poor people.

Rich people.

People in towns.

People in the the rural areas.

Really, it would be shorter and more to the point to just say "people". Left wingers have always hated people. Just look at how many they killed.


Posted by: flenser at November 06, 2008 03:28 PM (ANOxp)

136 I am a creationist. I know Christians who are evolutionists. I think evolution and creation should be taught equally in public schools.

Posted by: katya at November 06, 2008 03:29 PM (G3frc)

137 I think we can all agree that the party just got its ass kicked! And that's why I'm so happy!
I wouldnt get so excited Elitist Lib. The Republican Party stupidly kicked its own ass. A big chunk of the GOP base stayed home because they couldnt bear voting for McCain the RINO. (Theyre laboring under the delusion that by handing over the reigns of government to a crypto Marxist Chicago thug politician and infanticide enthusiast theyll ensure the second coming of Reagan.) If the base had shown up, McCain would not have lost Indiana by 1%, NC by 1%, Florida by 2%, Ohio by 4% and Virginia by 5%. The electoral count wouldve been much closer. Imagine that: After raising $600 million illegal and foreign campaign contributions, 2 solid years of brown-nosing by the press and a full on assault of the Republican ticket by the lefty blogs and Barrys media shills, Barry Hussein Obama just barely outperformed Bush in 2000. Dont delude yourself into thinking the lefty Democrats have any sort of mandate. If the dumbass true conservatives would get their heads out of their asses and align themselves with the millions of outstanding Americans that respect our country and believe in free markets over socialism, Red Barry would be out of power. Luckily for you, these true conservatives would rather go RINO hunting and engage in Stalinist like purges of their party than actually go after the real enemies: The MoveOn.Org bought and paid for Democratic Party.

Posted by: Tversky at November 06, 2008 03:30 PM (NVJWK)

138 You are very difficult to have a discussion with because you're constantly changing the parameters.

It's not really here to have a discussion I think. It would almost certainly lose if it did that. More safer to drop little turds here and there and then hide under the bed.


Posted by: flenser at November 06, 2008 03:30 PM (ANOxp)

139 Marketed college text books for years, always fun to call on biology profs.

Posted by: Rob at November 06, 2008 03:32 PM (/Zcox)

140

wow elitist, that is a super exclusive club you belong to...with every post you make it more clear why you will die unloved and alone.


Posted by: jadedinga at November 06, 2008 03:33 PM (NPzE8)

141 Why are you still responding to a bigot like EL? He is no different than some slope-browed dual-drooling Stormfront idiot howling about "mud races". Same false superiority masking a deep inferiority complex, possibly co-related with scrambled sexual identity problems, all covered by ranting his irrational hatreds against his chosen victims. One chooses to fixate on race, the other retard fixates on faith. Same poison, different bottle.
Ignore the bigots, just learn to recognize them and when necessary, and use the statutes on the books against the idjits.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at November 06, 2008 03:33 PM (4OJ78)

142 Bristol should have kept her pants on. Now her and Levi can look forward to a life of labor, with no chance of ever broadening their horizons and getting an education.
You don't need to tell me the downside of her decision. Everyone is aware of the consequences of teen pregnancy. What I was trying to show was that there might have been something very decent and self-sacrificing in her decision that was worthy of being what you call a "life lesson."

Posted by: Matt at November 06, 2008 03:34 PM (ecpMe)

143 To those who are lying about our opposition to Jindal, claiming itas antipathy to his faith -
Our opposition has to do with Jindal's signing of theLouisiana Science Education Act. He flouted the Constitution, his state will be sued, and his constituents will lose money.

Posted by: David Ross at November 06, 2008 03:35 PM (GwV+j)

144 If the only thing the drive-by media and libs come up with to attack Jalin in 2012 is creationism, I like his chances!

Posted by: Originalist at November 06, 2008 03:36 PM (uAytX)

145 Oops. I mean Jindal.

Posted by: Originalist at November 06, 2008 03:36 PM (uAytX)

146 Bristol and Levi have nothing to fear because Obama the godman is going to pay for everything for everyone ... woohoo where's my check? Oh wait they are taking my money to pay for everyone else. Well then woohoo ... where's my unicorn?

Posted by: Rob at November 06, 2008 03:38 PM (/Zcox)

147 and right on cue ..heeeeeeere's the PAULITES !!

what America needs right now is a RETURN to
the GOLD standard !!!111!!!11 eleventy !!! 1!1!!!111

Posted by: jadedinga at November 06, 2008 03:38 PM (NPzE8)

148 Our opposition has to do with Jindal's signing of theLouisiana Science Education Act. He flouted the Constitution

He has? Details, please. Which particular part of the Constitution has he flouted?

Posted by: flenser at November 06, 2008 03:38 PM (ANOxp)

149 Believe what you want, katya.
I believe I will vote for non-Republican parties if Republicans front candidates who agree with you (and against Palin)on this issue.
I further believe that Obama's voters this year will also vote for non-Republican parties in that event. Best drop this as an issue. Best drop Jindal, unless he publicly recants the "Science Education" Act.

Posted by: David Ross at November 06, 2008 03:39 PM (GwV+j)

150 Bristol should have kept her pants on. Now her and Levi can look
forward to a life of labor, with no chance of ever broadening their
horizons and getting an education.

Elitist displays the type of thinking of having a cunt for a brain: Levi and Bristol will be able to have whatever type of life they choose to have if they're willing to put in the time and effort to do so. You're so fucking dense that you think that the percentages of failure equal an absolute certitude (probably because some idiot public school teacher decided to give you an "esteem" pass when taking statistics, assuming whatever failed school that had the misfortune of you attending offered the course). Judging from the families they come from, they'll do quite well while you're getting your fudge packed for nickels to try and maintain your elite status.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 06, 2008 03:40 PM (m2sQh)

151 Never realized there was so much antipathy in conservative circles towards creationsism. Just started noticing it at LGF. I don't care what you think, but damn, get a life.

Posted by: Rob at November 06, 2008 03:40 PM (/Zcox)

152 Better bring home all those bible believeing soldiers, damn, no telling what they might do, but save your ass.

Posted by: Rob at November 06, 2008 03:42 PM (/Zcox)

153 Yesterday I called Katya out as a liar. Looks like I'll have to do it again - "The instructor stated that she would not cover the evolution chapter of the biology text since evolution could not be proven as fact. She was an athiest."
Prove it.

Posted by: David Ross at November 06, 2008 03:42 PM (GwV+j)

154 To those who are lying about our opposition to Jindal, claiming itas antipathy to his faith -
Our opposition has to do with Jindal's signing of theLouisiana Science Education Act

You know David, I've read your comments on this topic on this thread. And it's pretty damn clear that it is antipathy to his faith. So why not just admit that?

Posted by: flenser at November 06, 2008 03:43 PM (ANOxp)

155 PETRAEUS! 2016! He will be the new GOP Jesus!
1. stop praying for a young ethnic change agent to save your party's sorry ass. Obama already has that one covered for the Dems.
2. stop trying to play the Palin card. If it lost big this year, it will lose even bigger in 2012 and 2016.
3. Find a candidate that appeals to the base (evangelicals, fiscal cons, defense cons). Evangelicals do not appeal to fiscal cons or defense cons. They're too socially conservative. Fiscal cons don't typically appeal to social conservatives. They're usually too socially moderate or Mormon. A solid defense con with a relatively blank record could potentially bridge the gap.
4. Find a candidate whom the base trusts, but who appeals to indies and moderates. Romney and Huck are too polarizing within the base, and those cards have already been played. Petraeus is the only "Bush admin player" who will come out of the past 8 yrs with a reputation not only intact, but bolstered. The guy is going to be huge, especially after he resigns or leaves CENTCOM when Obama pushes him out.
5. Keep the racists, the xenophobes, and the religious nuts. They don't have money, but they're good for GOTV. Keep throwing them a bone here and there, but keep them in the basement. They smell bad and are retarded. They are the GOP version of the Code Pinkers.
6. Get some new policies that actually appeal to people who live outside of Appalachia and the deep rural south.

Posted by: Elitist Lib at November 06, 2008 03:43 PM (fdXAd)

156 Never realized there was so much antipathy in conservative circles
towards creationsism. Just started noticing it at LGF. I don't care
what you think, but damn, get a life.

That's the Jewish influence in the GOP I think. They are viciously anti-Christian for the most part.

Posted by: flenser at November 06, 2008 03:46 PM (ANOxp)

157 Actually, I'm just here to be a giant dick, and turn you all against Petraeus as a GOP front man and the idea that a little pragmatism and widening of the base is a good thing.

Keep on closing ranks, that's the ticket!

Posted by: Elitist Lib at November 06, 2008 03:46 PM (fdXAd)

158 Talk about bigotry wrapped in the constitution and pseudo-intellectual purity.

Posted by: Rob at November 06, 2008 03:47 PM (/Zcox)

159 Actually, I'm just here to be a giant dick

In that case, Mission Accomplished.

Posted by: Slublog at November 06, 2008 03:48 PM (R8+nJ)

160 Actually, I'm just here to be a giant dick

Then you have finally found something in life which you are naturally suited for.

I henceforth dub thee Biggus Dickus.

Posted by: flenser at November 06, 2008 03:48 PM (ANOxp)

161 Flenser, tell me more about this Jewish influence in the GOP!

Posted by: Elitist Lib at November 06, 2008 03:49 PM (fdXAd)

162 A conservative utopia should not be limited to monster truck rallies, gun shows, and Baptist Churches. These things are fine, but pretty superficial and more cultural than anything. Conservatism needs to transcend surface things like these if it's going to be viable and worth pursuing. Whatever happened to small government, ethics in business, intelligence in the Academies, and a proficient military that's used judiciously and with restraint? If conservatism is worth preserving and pursuing, than it should be better at delivering solutions to the problems that a majority of Americans are concerned with than the statist alternative. Conservatives shouldn't shun the cities, education, environmentalism, or a reformation of how certain sectors of the economy work. Conservatives would be better off I think if they decided "hey, we're going to be the ones that solve these problems." Conservatism ought have enough meat on its bones to appeal to the aspiring Indian 7-11 owner, the Mexican who snuck in a few years ago but managed to set up a successful landscaping business, and the herbalist who wants to sell hemp and small quantities of weed. It should also appeal to the old urban Jewish person who wants their retirement savings to be safe and the kid who wants to pay for college (how about ROTC?). Right now the GOP is scaring all of these folks away. We ned to pull these folks in while retaining the foot soldiers and true believers. This will require some give and take. But give and take is better than throwing in the towel.

Posted by: Elitist Lib with the Biggust Dickus at November 06, 2008 03:51 PM (fdXAd)

163 Well I have to say, your persuasive hysterics are impressing the hell out of me. A little more of that and I might actually have voted for McCain.*
Hysterics? Hah. Everything I said was true. Enjoy living in ObamaNation. After all, you did your part to get him elected.You might as well enjoy all that the Marxist, corrupt Chicago pol appeaser infanticide enthusiast has to offer. Maybe you can join his Civilian Corp? Im sure he appreciates your support.

Posted by: Tversky at November 06, 2008 03:51 PM (NVJWK)

164 A conservative utopia should not be limited to monster truck rallies, gun shows, and Baptist Churches. These things are fine, but pretty superficial and more cultural than anything. Conservatism needs to transcend surface things like these if it's going to be viable and worth pursuing. Whatever happened to small government, ethics in business, intelligence in the Academies, and a proficient military that's used judiciously and with restraint? If conservatism is worth preserving and pursuing, than it should be better at delivering solutions to the problems that a majority of Americans are concerned with than the statist alternative. Conservatives shouldn't shun the cities, education, environmentalism, or a reformation of how certain sectors of the economy work. Conservatives would be better off I think if they decided "hey, we're going to be the ones that solve these problems." Conservatism ought have enough meat on its bones to appeal to the aspiring Indian 7-11 owner, the Mexican who snuck in a few years ago but managed to set up a successful landscaping business, and the herbalist who wants to sell hemp and small quantities of weed. It should also appeal to the old urban Jewish person who wants their 401K to grow, and the kid who wants to pay for college (how about ROTC?). Right now the GOP is scaring all of these folks away. We ned to pull these folks in while retaining the foot soldiers and true believers.

Posted by: Elitist Lib with the Biggust Dickus at November 06, 2008 03:51 PM (fdXAd)

165 Actually, I'm just here to be a giant dick, and turn you all against Petraeus as a GOP front man and the idea that a little pragmatism and widening of the base is a good thing.
So you think that laying out an argument for how we could win with Petraeus was a good way to turn us against him? You might want to rethink your strategy.

Posted by: Matt at November 06, 2008 03:52 PM (ecpMe)

166 Bristol should have kept her pants on. Now her and Levi can look
forward to a life of labor, with no chance of ever broadening their
horizons and getting an education.

Sounds like a parody of what 1950's conservatism was supposed to be. But it's coming from a an enlightened liberal elitist with a gigantic brain! Er, make that an enlightened liberal who is a gigantic dick.

Posted by: flenser at November 06, 2008 03:52 PM (ANOxp)

167 David Ross aka Christoph aka Atheist Conservative Concern Troll

You hate God. We get it.

Send us the address to subscribe to your newsletter ,The Atheistic Evangelist Tribune and STFU.

Posted by: jadedinga at November 06, 2008 03:53 PM (NPzE8)

168 If you conservatives want to make the movement dominant, you need to help take back the cities. The cities are the key to the universities, the arts, and the media. Stop burying yourselves out in the hinterlands. Stop being so fucking afraid of vagrants and bums and inner city crime. Be a part of the gentrified solution by moving in here; be a pioneer! Bring your guns!
You guys abandoned the cities and surrendered them to the libs. The libs organized and slowly started to turn the cities around (with help in some cases from moderate GOP mayors). Now the libs are using the cities and more urban areas in NoVa, NC, etc to dominate during elections. If you want to initiate an upward march through the institutions, you need to come in-town to do it.

Posted by: Elitist Lib with the Biggust Dickus at November 06, 2008 03:57 PM (fdXAd)

169 Yesterday I called Katya out as a liar. Looks like I'll have to do it again - "The instructor stated that she would not cover the evolution chapter of the biology text since evolution could not be proven as fact. She was an athiest."
Prove it.
She was an instructor at Spoon River Community College in Macomb, IL. I took the class about 12 years ago. No way to prove it, as I refuse to give out her name. I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me. I have ne reason to lie, but believe whatever you want.

Posted by: katya at November 06, 2008 03:59 PM (G3frc)

170
If you conservatives want to make the movement dominant, you need to help take back the cities.

It would be more fun to raze them to the ground, then sow the ground with salt. But yeah, I suppose your idea might work too.

Posted by: flenser at November 06, 2008 04:01 PM (ANOxp)

171 Elitist Lib:

Conservative would move back into the city if you guys would allow us to implement tuition vouchers.

Currently, one must be childless or wealthy to live in the city.

Posted by: Cedric at November 06, 2008 04:01 PM (lnz0F)

172 Yesterday I called Katya out as a liar.
Um, I must have left the thread before that. What did I lie about yesterday?

Posted by: katya at November 06, 2008 04:03 PM (G3frc)

173 So Elitist, are you telling us to move to the cities because, like your Petraeus strategy,you really don't want us to move to the cities?

Posted by: Matt at November 06, 2008 04:04 PM (ecpMe)

174 I'm having a hard time figuring out if David Ross is being a bigger douche than Elitist Lib; that "prove it" comment had a much high douchery factor than Elitist's multiple comments, which at least contained a blast at Code Stink. I'm pretty sure katya could kick both their pansy asses easily.

Posted by: Captain Hate at November 06, 2008 04:04 PM (m2sQh)

175 Biggus Dickus

Flenser, tell me more about this Jewish influence in the GOP

It's liberal. But you already knew that, unless you are even more ignorant than I thought. And while you are cosmically stupid and a complete dick, I don't think your are ignorant.

Posted by: flenser at November 06, 2008 04:05 PM (ANOxp)

176 I'm having a hard time figuring out if David Ross is being a bigger douche than Elitist Lib;


too close to call

Posted by: jadedinga at November 06, 2008 04:08 PM (NPzE8)

177 Gentrification is fucking awesome. Right now you can buy homes in Washington Park, Atlanta (an historic black suburb) for 10 and 20k. Fix it up, and defend your turf. Bring your friends. Before you know it you'll have an organic corner mart, two stores that sell running shoes, and more Volvo's, Subaru's and Zip Cars than you can shake a stick at. Property values will shoot through the roof, and everyone will want to be your neighbor. White people will even drive in from the suburbs to shop at your farmer's market and take bicycle rides through your neighborhood. Join the PTA.
If the former residents can't keep up with the rent or don't like it, let them move out to the exurbs. In Europe, the public housing is on the outside of the city, not in the heart of it. Bring back good old fashioned Eisenhower Republicanism, via David Petraeus. Bring back an era where it was classy to be a Conservative and a Republican. This redneck worship stuff is not a winning strategy.

Posted by: Elitist Lib with the Biggust Dickus at November 06, 2008 04:10 PM (fdXAd)

178 Hysterics? Hah. Everything I said was true. Enjoy living in ObamaNation. After all, you did your part to get him elected. You might as well enjoy all that the Marxist, corrupt Chicago pol appeaser infanticide enthusiast has to offer. Maybe you can join his Civilian Corp? Im sure he appreciates your support.

Posted by: Tversky at November 06, 2008 04:14 PM (NVJWK)

179 I'm Catholic, like Jindal, and I'd like to make the record very clear. Catholics areNOT creationists. In fact, the position of the Catholic Church is basicallythat evolution is the truth. Jindal is very devout -- there's no way he himself is a creationist, because the more devout the Catholic, the more he adheres to Church teaching, and the LESS likely he is to be creationist.Jindal signed a law to teach creationism side by side with evolution because that's what his constituents want. And as a believer in evolution, I not only have no problem with that, I advocate it. If evolution is the scientific truth I think it is, then it can stand up to alternative theories. In fact, when I was in college (at Berkeley, no less), I had an argument with my (very famous) physical anthropology professor about just this very topic. His insistence on not even broaching creationism and calling its believers nameswas, in my view,an unscientific approach. You demonstrate the truth of a scientific theory like evolution in part by comparing it to other possible explanations, and you show how the evidence supports one and not the other.The refusal to even talk about creationism in class doesn't eliminate belief in it -- quite the opposite, it makes creationists stubborn, because the powers that be don'teven try to address their beliefs. If you talk about creationism, and you do it in a way that is respectful to the person and not filled with ugly disdain, you actually havea chance to convince some folks of the scientific truth. The way many anti-creationists act, they treat the Theory of Evolution like it's a religion itself, one that no one is allowed to question on pain of excommunication. (Kind of like Global Warming...definitely a religion and not a science.)Incidentally, there are more than a few unanswered question in evolution as well. The famous Harvard prof Stephen Jay Gould was famous for proposing evolution theories that are generally considered preposterous by most other scientists, so they don't all agree amongst themselves. If creationism serves the very valuable purpose of pointing out inconsistencies or lack of evidence in evolution, then that's a very valuable function, scientifically speaking, because it forces scientists to revisit preconceptions and broaden their search for evidence. What I as someone who is convince of the truth of evolution oppose is acting like evolution is a religion that can't be questioned, and not a science, which must be.

Posted by: bluejade at November 06, 2008 04:14 PM (DjMXQ)

180 Bring back good old fashioned Eisenhower Republicanism

Ah, those happy days when liberalism ruled the roost.

If we're going to do this whole "Back To The Future" gig, maybe you people can stop hating white people and go back to hating blacks. You know you enjoyed that a whole lot more.

Before you know it you'll have an organic corner mart, two stores that
sell running shoes, and more Volvo's, Subaru's and Zip Cars than you
can shake a stick at

What about monster truck rallies? Gun shows? Baptists churches?

You're describing a yuppie liberal utopia, not a right-wing one. In the yuppie liberal utopia, the yuppie liberals are the new OverClass. As such they naturally live at the heart of the cities, those symbols of yuppie liberal power. The black and brown people who do the menial work live in a ring around them, befitting their lower status. And the horrible white people who live in the towns and the countryside, those wretches lowest on the totem pole, can be safely mocked from the Olympian heights of the million dollar one bedroom condo.

Posted by: flenser at November 06, 2008 04:21 PM (ANOxp)

181 Im also wildly unimpressed with the teach the GOP a lesson voters. You hurt yourselves, hurt your country and ensure the death of millions of unborn babies. I hope youre happy. Maybe you should start posting at Daily Kos or Democratic Underground? After all, you helped Barry win.

Well I have to say, your persuasive hysterics are impressing the hell out of me. A little more of that and I might actually have voted for McCain.*


* This has been a test of the AoS Sarcasm Alert system. Regular programming will now continue.

Posted by: krakatoa at November 06, 2008 04:37 PM (/FUhT)

182 Posted by: Elitist Lib with the Biggust Dickus at November 06, 2008 04:10 PM (fdXAd)


Why the hell does this douchebag think we want his advice on how to fix our party? Ban plz. He's not even entertaining anymore.

Posted by: Angry Beaver at November 06, 2008 04:41 PM (7sVL1)

183 bluejade- " If creationism serves the very valuable purpose of pointing out inconsistencies or lack of evidence in evolution, then that's a very valuable function, scientifically speaking, because it forces scientists to revisit preconceptions and broaden their search for evidence."
Okay, then: point me to a creationist article in a peer-reviewed biology journal, which makes a falsifiable claim about the natural world.
Intelligent Design is. Not. Science. It does not make any claims which can be tested. All it does is point at biological facts which are hard to explain, and say "huh? HUH? what about THIS?"; and when the objection is answered (as it always is) thepreening mountebank moves on to the next bullshit target. It is pure "Fear Uncertainty Doubt".
Part of the damage Jindal has done is to turn Catholics against science education, and against their own Church. And he's ruining Catholics' image among non-Catholics (that exorcism weirdness doesn't help either).
And, of course, liberals read threads like this and get a good guffaw at the Republican War Against Science....

Posted by: David Ross at November 06, 2008 05:26 PM (GwV+j)

184 Hysterics krakatoa? Hah. Everything I said was true. Enjoy living in ObamaNation. After all, you did your part to get him elected. You might as well enjoy all that the Marxist, corrupt Chicago pol appeaser infanticide enthusiast has to offer. Maybe you can join his Civilian Corp? Im sure he appreciates your support.

Posted by: Tversky at November 06, 2008 05:42 PM (NVJWK)

185 Unfortunately, the staffers of the McCain campaign will need to be replaced, permanently. There is no excuse for a campaign that botched. The illuminati left was already a shoo-in to win, but this paltry excuse for a campaign tipped the scales with a lead weight.

Posted by: RJ at November 06, 2008 11:42 PM (7nbTg)

186 Russ in Winterset,
Do you truly live in Winterset? My grandfather lives on Green Street. He is 89 and has been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. My parents live in Ames, most of my relatives live in Winterset.
I, fortunately live in Colorado. But I do LOVE my family.

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