1 Ace, shouldn't you make at least a sporting attempt to spell the guy's name right?  You have two (incorrect) variations between the header and the post alone.

2 Also, I wonder what it means that Scheunemann ended up "going rogue" himself, taking Palin's side.  He's no dummy.  Maybe that says something good about Palin?

3 I gotta be honest:  I'm enjoying this.  Suddenly the Big O has disappeared into the twilight while the rest of us circle and start shooting.

It's very therapuetic ... especially since the villains now before us have the special trait that makes leveling them so delectable:  they're traitors.  At least when the MSM and DailyKos went after Sarah it was in their best interest:  serving the Big O.

4 So, it's Schmidt then.

Topsecretk9, break out your magic investigative juice.  Who are his current clients?

Ace, post them, we'll start fucking with him for a few months before the primaries start up.

5 Time for a Google Bomb - STEVE SCHMIDT DOUCHEBAG

6 If it's not Schmidt, he can easily enough say who it was.

7

We now have an agenda .... to the battle stations

8 Just to legalese it up some - "According to unnamed sources within the McCain campaign, Steve Schmidt is allegedly a colossal homo backstabbing traitor of a douchebag."

9

Looks like Randy Scheunemann was trying to protect Gov. Palin, and help her, but McCain's backstabbers were sharpening their knives.

They need to get on the ground and thank this gracious woman, else McCain's defeat would have been a 490-state, double-digit sweep.

10 Tell him to shut the fuck up then.

Tell him to suck his sack back and quite being a lttle pussy.

Whoever hires he and Nicole Wallace? YOU ARE FUCKED.

11 Amusingly enough, getting fired from McCain's staff may turn out to be the best thing that ever happened to Randy Scheunemann's career. 

Or maybe it won't.  The base will obviously love him (he got canned for defending Sarah!), but how much does the base care about a foreign policy adviser, after all?  And perhaps other campaigns will be wary of someone so openly fired for "disloyalty."  Whether in service of a good cause or not, I suspect it's still looked upon as reflecting untrustworthiness or a lack of discipline.

12
It is difficult to believe that this whispering "faction" could have survived unless senior staffers turned a blind eye to it. And the guy with the day-to-day control of the campaign was Steve Schmidt.

13 "other campaigns will be wary of someone so openly fired for "disloyalty.""

Why should he care?  He showed loyalty to the biggest, most important campaign of all.

Of course, that won't officially start for a few years.

14

Side note

Bobby Jindal speaking at a fundraiser meeting in Iowa next month.

BATON ROUGE, LA (AP) - Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal is fueling speculation of possible long-term presidential ambitions with a planned trip to Iowa next month.

Jindal will keynote a fundraising dinner for the Iowa family policy center's "celebrating the family" banquet, a high-profile christian conservative event in a state pivotal in presidential races.  The governor's spokeswoman, Melissa Sellers, confirmed that Jindal will attend the event November 22nd and also will make a stop in the Cedar Rapids area to see some of the recent flooding damage there.

Jindal is considered a rising star on the national Republican scene, and he's traveled to several states lately to fundraise and help other GOP politicians with their fundraising efforts.

Think this relates to Sarah crap ?

15

McCain himself decided he wouldn't run on the subprime crisis -- no matter how much his aides screamed at him about this (and I, in turn, screamed at some of his staffers, not realizing... they agreed with me) -- and himself decided to put the whole election on fucking Bill Ayers.

The whole election.

That's really it, isn't it?  That's the game, right there.  McCain' probably doesn't win even if he runs on the subprime crisis, but Jesus God what kind of decisionmaking is this?

16 Steve Schmidt has herpes.

17

Um...

[Edit: for some reason, Minx will not allow me to post a paragraph from the NYT, claiming it's "unbroken text". Just click the link. Scheunemann wasn't fired.]

From today's NYT. Emphasis mine.

http://bit.ly/3zZxuk

18 #14 doubt it is related.  This was old school GOP vs new school GOP fight.  If anything those same people will be after him as well.

19 Let me be the first to suggest that Palin '12 campaign with be every bit as successful as the Lieberman '04 one. 

20

 

Who bought them off ..... thats the real thing ..... find the money trail and the blood is on thier hands

 

21 Erm, my last post was in response to #13.

22 Really, have we ever witnessed anything in the past fifty years like this gangbang of Sarah Palin?  The fear and loathing she has triggered is nothing short of amazing.  Dan Quayle was mocked and considered as harmless as a kitten.  Sarah Palin is mocked and considered an extreme threat to 1) feminists, 2) abortionists, 3) the wingnut left, 4) Romney, 5) maybe Huckabee, 6) definitely the McCain staff, and 7) the conservative elite, and the MSM and even now Fox.  Oh, and everyone else.

Even as she drives off into the polar sunset, the wrath towards her intensifies.

I like her.

23 Jeff B., regardless of '12 or '16, isn't it a positive to have a politician whom the base loves, drawing crowds?

24
More on Steve Schmidt, who has a lot of historical revisionism ahead of him:

"McCain’s main strategist was brought in after a shake-up to hammer Obama hard every day, and he did that with gusto, hatching the highly effective “Celebrity” ad equating Obama with Paris Hilton. But McCain never seemed comfortable being an attack dog, and Schmidt’s mid-campaign testosterone boost turned off independents, young voters and women. Meanwhile, the base never believed the Arizona senator was one of their own — even when Schmidt succeeded in persuading McCain to choose Sarah Palin as his running mate. Schmidt is also largely responsible for cloistering McCain from the media, forcing the candidate to give up the straight talk give-and-take that defined him in his previous presidential run."

If you were wondering why we lost the positive message, there you go.

25 "Let me be the first to suggest that Palin '12 campaign with be every bit as successful as the Lieberman '04 one."

You're in the wrong party, kid.

In the GOP, we stick by our guys.  Even for much too long.

26 Inside sources tell me that Nicole Wallace has a weener.

27 Now the NYT is fucking with her. McCain should resign. If he can't control his staff or stand up for Palin, he's gone senile.

28 I actually heard Steve Schmidt frequented underground masochist clubs and he especially enjoyed being dominated by massive transvestites. Steve Schmidt requested spankings and anal penetration. He liked to cross dress and take copious amounts of drugs, but was always the proper gentleman.

I also heard from sources Steve Schmidt is a closet democrat and he was telegraphing McCain strategy to the Obama campaign on the down low.

I also heard - from unnamed sources of course, that the Obama campaign was really happy with Steve Schmidt's reports and considered him their most valuable mole.

Elected Republicans? Hire this man at you own peril. His google fu is fucked alon.

29
and also smoothed things over when Palin and her husband became pissed off about how their handlers were handling them.

But according to Scheunemann, Schmidt was one of the handlers she was pissed off at.

30 So, he suggests, it's unlikely Schmidt is one of the anti-Palin leakers.

Are you kidding me? The biggest backstabbers are the ones who smile to your face and act oh so helpful while kneecapping you behind the scenes.

31 How about that snotty little fucker Tucker Bounds, who was an on-air campaign spokesman?

32

What her enemies have never grasped .... the more you attack her, the more popular she will become. She has a force, a charisma that brings out the goodness in normal Americans.

How long will it take her to wash out the canned campaign phrases from her vocabulary and get back to being the conservative that she is.

One thing for certain, she should know how to spot a RINO, and figure out how to get rid of that corrupt infection.

33 2008: A new Hope
2012: Palin strikes back

34 I'm guessing Schmidt was behind McCain not going on O'Reilly against Barack's infomercial.  O'Reilly just can't let this go.  He talks about it every day, radio and TV.  And while I hate him when he's in meglomaniac mode (23/7), I gotta admit, he's right about this one.

The strange behavior of the McCain campaign is almost as eerie as the Obama cult.  There is something in the air, I tells ya.  Kind of like when Macbeth murders King Duncan and some late arrivers to the castle arrive with messages of evil spirits on the loose and chimneys being blown down (never did quite get that one).  Macbeth responds:  Twas a rough night.

Things are just odd, very odd.

35 That Politico rip on Schmidt is wrong, though.  Up through the Sarah selection, he did spectacularly well, constantly gaining points on Barry from when he took over -- to the point of having a fairly commanding lead.

Of course, he got killed by the credit crisis, but that was both bad luck and the candidate's fault.

36 "Incidentally... Dan tells me that it was Schmidt who suggested Palin as a veep in the first place, and also smoothed things over when Palin and her husband became pissed off about how their handlers were handling them.

So, he suggests, it's unlikely Schmidt is one of the anti-Palin leakers.

Not sure myself. Just posting this defense."

C'mon.  Schmidt is guilty.  He's not on the record saying who's shit-talking, right?  So, it's probably him.  He can tell us on the record if we're wrong.

37
Here's Schmidt's lukewarm defense of his VP candidate on election day:

"When asked whether vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin had been a drag on the GOP ticket as well, Schmidt took a pass: "You know, we'll uh, I'm not going to do, there'll be time for all the post mortems in the race.""

WTF? The campaign manager gives that sort of response on election day?

38 from The Other McCain: http://tinyurl.com/6ky7t4
Granted, Campbell Brown is an Obamaphiliac bitch, but do you think the douchebag spokesman did anything to help the candidate with his snotty non-responsiveness? Do you think that Sarah Palin could have possibly done worse in a live interview than this douchebag? Imagine you're Sarah Palin -- somebody who started her career in TV news -- and you turn on the TV to see that the McCain campaign has sent out this douchebag to represent you. Wouldn't you start to suspect that somebody inside the campaign was trying to sabotage you?

The only way I figure Tucker Bounds got that job was that his daddy must be a major GOP donor or something. At least a dozen of my Facebook friends are more qualified to be campaign spokespeople.

39

Oh, god.

Fuck these people. Fuck them ever so much. Both "sides."

 

40 tsk9:  why just Schmidt, though?  Couldn't it just as easily be Salter?

41 Here's my one hedge about fingering Schmidt as the leaker -- by all accounts I've read of his career, he's a pro that actually behaves like a pro. He doesn't have a track record of open back-biting like this against the principals he's worked for. And what's the motivation for him -- hasn't he already been identified as the one who helped convince McCain to select Palin in the first place?

That said, he does increasingly look like the source.

Rick Davis would take a bullet to protect McCain's reputation and image, but Palin has never done anything but be effusive in her praise of McCain. I don't fully see a motivation with him.

Salter has been actively trying to discount the talk of a rift between McCain aides and Palin aides and has suggested that the smears are coming from hangers-on talking out of school.

Both Mark and Nicole Wallace are plausible, but Mark was pretty key (along with Scheuneman) in her debate prep. Nicole I am more suspicious of but she is one of the few McCain people who has made on the record statements about the "blame Palin" effort.

Conspicuous in his silence? Tucker Bounds.

42 Steve Schmidt touch me on my naughty bits.

43 The GOP needs to get a handle on this crap like yesterday.

Sarah Palin's selection for VP marked the first time I'd ever donated a large amount of money (>$1k) to a presidential campaign.  If they attempt to destroy her to cover for their own screw-ups, it'll be the last time I donate.

44 Scheunemann was fired by Davis thwn McCain hired him back because he didn't want to create an infighting story.

45 McCain from the media, forcing the candidate to give up the straight talk give-and-take that defined him in his previous presidential run.

Uh, the only people who went along with that dumb meme were the moonbats who pretended that they would vote for him if he were ever on the ticket and the msm who only liked him because he bashed fellow republicans. Too bad McCain believed them.

46 So your assumption is that these people are lying about Palin? Or are you just angry that they are talking about it? If it is true that she didn't even know that Africa was a continent and not a country, then do you think that is defensible? That is third of fourth grade geography. If someone running for vice-President is that ignorant about the world, you have a big problem on your hands, correct?

47 Barack Obama himself said that Wright was a legitimate issue. I think McCain did himself, even as he stated that it was wrong for that state GOP ad to link a Democratic candidate to Wright through Obama. (He didn't elaborate on why it w as wrong -- just that it was, and that he didn't want to talk about it.)

I believe McCain expected the media to make it a campaign issue simply because it was so explosive. He probably assumed that if a Republican had past association with someone like that  it would get round the clock coverage so Obama's Wright problem should also be news.. Then he could  take the high road and stay above it all.

48 smiling_dog, how likely do you really think it is that she doesn't know Africa is a continent?

49 Jay:  You have inside info?  Who did this then?

50 I suspect Jindal won't run in 2012.  He wanted too much to be governor to fix his state from corruption and Blanco's ineptness.  He's up for re-election in 2011.  The presidential race will have started in 2010.  He's only 37 (I think).  I say he finish as governor and then run.  But that's just me.   I look forward to him running, whenever that is. 

51 I actually heard Mark Salter frequented underground masochist clubs and he especially enjoyed being dominated by massive transvestites. Mark Salter requested spankings and anal penetration. He liked to cross dress and take copious amounts of drugs, but was always the proper gentleman.

I also heard from sources SMark Salter is a closet democrat and he was telegraphing McCain strategy to the Obama campaign on the down low.

I also heard - from unnamed sources of course, that the Obama campaign was really happy with Mark Salter's reports and considered him their most valuable mole.

Elected Republicans? Hire this man at you own peril. His google fu is fucked alon.

52 Someone

I Google fucked Salter. Better?

53 CNN reported this a couple of hours ago... He was fired then rehired again....

54 46 So your assumption is that these people are lying about Palin? Or are you just angry that they are talking about it? If it is true that she didn't even know that Africa was a continent and not a country, then do you think that is defensible? That is third of fourth grade geography. If someone running for vice-President is that ignorant about the world, you have a big problem on your hands, correct?

Dipshit Dog? Um, wrong she knew her shit, this is a hatchet job smear by some bitter fucks in the campaign. Im lookin' at you Tucker Bounds.

55 Somebody should edit his Wikipedia page to include a few of the juicy tips posted here. From unnamed sources, of course.

56 #43 it's not about money or the party.  Its about the remaining leeches sucking the remaining blood left of the old GOP party.  They know change is coming and they are not part of the new movement.  They are trying to hang on to power as long as possible, which is why we have to kill them off (in the literal sense) ASAP.

57 Jindal is laying the groundwork...  But at his age, it may well be for 2020 or beyond.

He'd be one of the obviously good VP picks, though... if his LA reforms take.

58 Let's figure this shit out.

We don't have to govern anymore.  We have months before the next primaries.

Let's figure out who's on our team and who isn't.

Like Reagan said, "I'm paying for this microphone."  There is a time and place for this shit.  It's now, it's here.

59 Here's a likely scenario:

Someone:  Obama's from Africa.

Sarah Palin:  Yeah, Kenya.

Someone:  A country with some civil unrest.

Sarah Palin:  Africa?

Horrified looks and gasps.


I imagine it was something like that.

60 >>>I believe McCain expected the media to make it a campaign issue simply because it was so explosive. He probably assumed that if a Republican had past association with someone like that  it would get round the clock coverage so Obama's Wright problem should also be news.. Then he could  take the high road and stay above it all.

I think there's truth in that.  McCain kept seeming to think his old media friends would carry a story for him, even as  he distanced himself from it,or half-heartedly pressed it.

61 they are not the "Anti-Pailin" group, they are the "Pro-Romney" group... they bow before the plastic idol... now get off your asses and join defend-america.com and write about the new conservative movement.

62 Yall 'member Bill Kristol calling for McCain to fire his entire staff back in early October?

Maybe he was onto something.

63 He saw it sort of worked for Hillary...  But she's a *Democrat*.  She has actual allies in the press.

McMaverick, no.

64 Jeff B., regardless of '12 or '16, isn't it a positive to have a politician whom the base loves, drawing crowds?

Sure.  But the base isn't enough.  Not anymore, maybe never again, at least until we redefine what the base is.  Evangelicals are no longer enough to get us even close to 50%, and fiscal conservatives are becoming increasingly disenchanted with the "culture-warrior" brand of candidates that the religious right keeps pushing.  (McCain being an obvious exception to this.)   Let's not even talk about the more pronouncedly libertarian types.  Shit, they're already galloping away: we lost IN and NC because of them, and they probably cost Gordon Smith his Senate seat as well.

Aside from her religious right bona-fides (which I think are becoming more and more of a turn-off to a country that is consciously trying to move away from "identity" candidates, hence the insidious appeal of Obama), Palin seems to be correct on core conservative issues.  But is she really?  That's why I was disenchanted with her during the campaign: she wasn't exactly what I would call an eloquent advocate for economic and foreign policy conservatism.  She frankly didn't seem to know much of what she was talking about at all.  I heard talking points without much evidence of a deeper understanding of the issues.

I fear we are indeed heading towards a civil war of some sort within the GOP party.  Hopefully not that bad.  But as someone who has, up until now, been content to work within the GOP marriage of religious conservatives and fiscal conservatives, I'm getting to the point of frustration.  This is probably just my frustrations boiling over, but I'm tired of the veto that the evangelicals have been able to exercise over otherwise qualified candidates.  Romney?  No thank you, we don't do Mormons.  Giuliani?  Sure he'd appoint the right judges (which is all that matters), but he's personally pro-choice, so we can't vote for him despite his other good qualities.  But hey, here's this guy we really love, Huckabee!  Okay, so maybe he's basically a big-government paternalist, but at least he's right with God and one of us! 

Absent some sort of self-destruction on the part of the Dems (very possible), the next successful Republican candidate will have to build a coalition that pulls libertarians, fiscal conservatives, and moderates back into the fold.  A Palin candidacy doesn't look to me like it could do that.  Leaving aside the questions about her intellectual capacity for the job, she's branded herself primarily as yet another base-pleasing evangelical type.  That ain't gonna fly no more, methinks.

65

guess you go to RNC or GOP.com to see

 

Republicans, Duncan said, "are going to take a deep breath and listen to the American people."

The party is creating a new online forum that will allow people to explain "how we let them down" and "what we can do to restore confidence in our party," he said.

66 Bilby, I don't know, but these people aren't going to hide her from the press unless she said some things that really got them concerned. I know Bill O'Reilly thinks it's "nitpicking", but I imagine it would be quite a horrifying moment for the campaign if she was questioned about Africa and didn't seem to know it was a continent rather than a country.

67 Hey, Jeff B: 

Palin didn't send any Repubs to the other side.  Zero.  She did bring in millions to the voting booth.

And here's something else, my friend:  Palin did nothing to promote her evangelical views or roots.  It was her detractors that brought that up.  She has a record of being able to set aside her personal beliefs from governance.

So don't give me that crap about the evangelicals destroying the party.

68 Jeff B, why do you fear a civil war.  Each cycle the GOP loses more libertarians and more and more GOP voters just stay home.  A civil war, or better yet a complete cleansing is exactly what is required.

69 "she wasn't exactly what I would call an eloquent advocate for economic and foreign policy conservatism"

Are you as naive as you appear?

She was reciting the McCain campaign talking points.  As she was supposed to.

What do you think got her so pissed off at her "handlers"?

Sarah Palin's probably the closest thing to a libertarian we're going to see from the GOP in decades.  Her personal story and faith mean she doesn't have to push the social con legislative stuff -- which is good because she doesn't.  Not only that, she's the only thing standing between us and Huckabee fucking us all again.

70 smiling_dog, what do you mean you don't know? How likely do you think it is that she could go through college, be mayor of a town, and elected governor (in which capacity she made trips to Kuwait and other African countries) and now know Africa is a continent?

Apparently you're willing to believe it because to you it confirms your prejudice about her.

71 The party is creating a new online forum that will allow people to explain "how we let them down" and "what we can do to restore confidence in our party," he said.

Well, shit! How out of touch are they that they need a web forum to figure out that we don't like pork, big government, corruption, vice, and GD debt financing?

72 Kuwait and other African countries? You want that one back, Bilby?

73 I am beginning to think it wasnt Schmidt, or Wallace or Scheunemann. I think its a name we havent seen yet

74 Who should the RNC Chair be ?

75 #74 Palin's husband.

76

I like the idea mentioned earlier of knowing who's on our side and who isn't.

For starters, can we please, please get an actual republican to replace that foot-stomping, tiny-hands-waving, tear-squirting squeaking little he-bitch lindsey graham?

Please?

Oh.

And now that the election's over and I can say it...

anyone associated with Johnny Mac, whatsoever.

Including mav himself. Show him the fucking door. I daresay we can hold onto that seat.

 

77 Jeff B.,

I always get stumped at this point.  I'm an atheist (pro-religion though if that makes sense, hard to stop being Catholic).  I'm socially liberal.  I'd legalize a heck of a lot.

Yet, with all that, I've never once been tempted to go squishy moderate.  Not once.

Economics is my issue.  When we're poor, we always lose.  On all issues, all the time.

78 Dog shit,

You guys won. Congrats. No need to continue agitating.

Fuck off.

79 or joe the plumber.  That would make a hell of a statement.

80 The return to conservative/libertarian roots is so simple it makes me sick that McCain couldn't figure it out.

1.  Smaller government
2.  Strong defense.
3.  Free markets.
4.  Individual liberties
5. A culture of life.  (That does not mean outlaw abortion.)

That's all we ask for.  As for immigration, health care, whatever, see where it fits above and make it work.

81 "Who should the RNC Chair be ?"

I've been saying Fred, but if someone else has a better idea...

He's comfortable in the Beltway, but not one of them.  He's as eloquent an advocate for our ideas as there is.  His wife is in with Palin.  And he understands us (hell, he reads Ace!).

The only question, I suppose, is if he has the organization-shaping skills to get the inner workings in shape.  Ideological leadership is unquestionable.

82 If it's Schmidt who is the leaker I'm guessing the vp pick was his idea, built around narrative to compare and contrast Palin and Obama(this wouldn't have worked anyway without policy pivots towards the center) , he feels like she didn't give up enough info in the vetting process and the stuff which came out overwhelmed him,  and he doesn't want to get Bob Schrumed....


You know what I want leaked?  I want to know who exactly in Team McCain decided to actually respond to Obama's "Lipstick on a Pig" remark?  That's the moment I sensed Team McCain going from it's brief alpha position(5ish days after the convention) back into beta mode... and that's the exact moment(before the stock market crash) that I sensed the election would be lost because they didn't have  the ability to define themselves for themselves and for others... and part of it was a lack of really forward looking policy innovation... especially on health care and income inequality... they ran on rah rah Reagan sentimentalism...

83 Okay, I'm off to Africa, rebel boy.

84
That Politico rip on Schmidt is wrong, though.  Up through the Sarah selection, he did spectacularly well, constantly gaining points on Barry from when he took over -- to the point of having a fairly commanding lead.

Here are the results from CNN's Poll of Polls:

July 3 O 48% M 42%
Aug 1 O 47% M 44%
Sep 1 O 49% M 44% (RNC convention starts)
Sep 7 O 44% M 43%
Sep 8 O 45% M 47% (the convention bounce gave us our biggest lead)
Oct 1 O 49% M 43%
Nov 1 O 50% M 44%
Nov 4 O 52% M 44%
Election Results: O 53% M 46% (just for comparison)

Some of his attack commercials were effective, though I didn't like them very much.

85

How much you wanna bet it's Wallace?

http://tinyurl.com/69amg4

WALLACE: The more that we see kind of the crazies like Ann Coulter out attacking John McCain, the better Republicans feel about their chances in the general election.

 

 

86 77 .. you need some GKC reading .. "Everlasting Man"

87 dude,i have 20 women who will tear this dude the fuck up.

88 Smiling_Dog this is from your blog, about the 'ruling clique stealing the wealth of other nations through overt militarism'.

"Those who cannot afford to pay — the poor, the elderly, the sick or injured, the unemployed and uneducated — will just have to suffer and die. They will be forced to subsist on whatever they can beg, barrow, or steal and slip into the realm of non-persons."

Fuck off and die!

89

The return to conservative/libertarian roots is so simple it makes me sick that McCain couldn't figure it out.

Shut your piehole!

Bigot.

 

90 smiling_dog, why would I want it back?

91 In all seriousness I like Fred as well, but the GOP needs a new face.  I'm not into appearances for appearances sake, but I'd rather just start over and do it right.

92 Jeff B, why do you fear a civil war.  Each cycle the GOP loses more libertarians and more and more GOP voters just stay home.  A civil war, or better yet a complete cleansing is exactly what is required.

I fear a civil war because, frankly, I think my side will lose.  I think that the evangelicals, who have money plus a macrostructure (churches) plus a well-developed and coherent advocacy group within the party, would win such a civil war.  Or if they lose, they stomp off in a snit and stay home (remember this was the big fear this year...why did we bring in Palin in the first place?  To please the religious right who were making noises like they might stay home without someone who pleased them).  And they are becoming increasingly intractable and unamenable to compromise: people like Dobson almost come off like thugs to me sometimes, making threats and demanding obeisance. 

93 geoff:  Those numbers (except the last) are all registereds.  Look at the Gallup likely selection (until it went crazy at the end and way overstated Barry's support).

94

Here's a question:

Why was it Scheunemann that contacted Ambinder about the Palin going rogue leak on Ayers?

Scheunemann is a foreign policy advisor. Ayers has nothing to do with foreign policy.

Shouldn't Wallace, Bounds, you know, communications people be the ones dealing with the media?

Another question

Why was were the stories about Palin's alleged $150K spree allowed to fester for days? Why was she the one who had to fully explain it at a rally, no less?

I don't know if Nicole Wallace is the leaker. I do know that someone who admires Katie Couric should not be in the upper levels of anybody's GOP campaign, especially a presidential one. So let's make sure she never works for anybody in the GOP again.

Schmidt? He was in charge of a losing campaign? Maybe he's not the Palin smearer, but since he did such a lousy freakin' job, maybe he shouldn't work for any senior GOP campaign again. Just sayin'

95 RE: geoff - "When asked whether vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin had been a drag on the GOP ticket as well, Schmidt took a pass: 'You know, we'll uh, I'm not going to do, there'll be time for all the post mortems in the race.'"

Damn. That right there is some fine, incriminating evidence. It's practically DNA to the scene of the crime.

Good eye, geoff. If Cameron's, the gossip monger, "reportage" proves true, and I still maintain some pretty heavy skepticism that everything he passed on was true, then Schmidt doesn't look good with that quote. Did he develop that talking point on the day of the election alone, or did he see some trends from previous weeks and have a canned response ready to go to salvage his own career should things end unsatisfactorily?

Let's just say that I'd not want him on my team either way. That is one poorly timed and pathetic response.

96 Nicolle Wallace (of the 2008 McCain campaign) gave my cousin Darrell crabs.


Twice

97

WALLACE: The more that we see kind of the crazies like Ann Coulter out attacking John McCain, the better Republicans feel about their chances in the general election.

 

In fairness Ann Coulter was saying at the time she would rather vote for Hillary Clinton than John McCain. It wasnt an undeserved slapback.

98 cromag, when I say I'm an atheist, I'm taking the weak form of that argument.  Most people would call me an agnostic.  Personally, I'd just call myself too simple to understand the universe.  I don't mean to be antagonistic.

99 Jeff B.,

Nothing Palin has said or done in this campaign, and nothing in any of her years of governance, marks her as "religious right" (of the type you're insinuating-- an "identity" candidate which would constitute a "turn off"). She has strong personal religious values & convictions that she's enacted in her private life-- but never imposed in her governance. She's as libertarian a GOP candidate as we've seen on the national stage in recent years. It's idiotic for Republicans, of all people, to conflate the personal & political-- tar Palin for being a "Christianist" or whatever, just because she personally may be a devout Christian. Freedom of religion & conscience is what our country was founded on. You're just swallowing the absurd MSM line about Palin fomenting "culture war." It's utter BS.

100 Kill em all

101 Leaving aside the questions about her intellectual capacity for the job, she's branded herself primarily as yet another base-pleasing evangelical type.

She never branded herself that way, that's the blue-bloods and the MSM trying to make her into another Buchanan or Huckabee. I heard of her long before she was selected as VP, and I always thought of her as a small-government corruption-buster, not a religious type. There's never been any indication that her religious views influence her policy choices. Jeff, you're way too susceptible to the MSM memes, research things for yourself.

102 The lipstick on a pig also irked the heck out of me.  It reeked of cynical opportunism and made Palin look weak, like she needed defending from a corney joke.

103 """""
I also heard from sources SMark Salter is a closet democrat and he was telegraphing McCain strategy to the Obama campaign on the down low.
"""""

That's another thing, whose(I take it your post is tounge in cheek) genius idea was it to telegraph so much of the strategy?  What was with all the anonymous McCain staffers?

104 "In all seriousness I like Fred as well, but the GOP needs a new face."

Who, then?

RNC chair really is an inside-the-beltway job:  besides the internal stuff (for which you need to have been around long enough to know where the levers are) you appear on the Sunday talk shows.  The talky set is the audience for this stuff...  Joe the Plumber types don't watch that shit anyway.  (Hell, I certainly don't either.)

Whom do you trust to set the direction of the party better than Fred?

105

More on Nicole Wallace

From her Daily Beast Q and A with Wonkette or somebody

Do you think Katie Couric’s treatment of Sarah Palin was fair?

I don’t know. I’d like to take another look at it after the campaign is done. I think people focused on one part of the interview. They focused on a time when she was thinking out loud. I have to watch the whole thing in its entirety.

When do you think you can do that?

I don’t know

 

and .....

 

Who are your role models?

My mom. My sisters—they are younger but they are so wise.

Any non-family members?

I learned a lot working for Michael McCurry at a very formative stage in my career. Between Jeb Bush and George Bush, I worked for Mike McCurry, and every day I would think, “What would Mike McCurry do?”

And there were a lot of strong women in the Bush White House. Karen Hughes and Mary Matalin were there. They’ve always been role models in a professional capacity; I try to pick up something from everywhere I’ve been. Dan Bartlett is someone that I learned from. Karl Rove and Ken Mehlman. Katie Couric, talk about grace under fire.

Everywhere I’ve worked. Again, this campaign may do me in.

106
geoff:  Those numbers (except the last) are all registereds.

That's why I included the election results for comparison. The registered poll numbers agree pretty well with the actual result.

107 McCain was doing well when he used humor to bash Obama. He should have kept up with the "Britney Spear" type assault.

108 Bilby, you doubling down on Kuwait being in Africa?

109 Jeff, I understand your concern, but lets get the cards on the table.  If the GOP is all about social right and economic left then its time for a new party and better to know that instead of hoping for something that will never happen. 

I will vote L until I die if that is the case and I really am a concerned Christian blah blah blah, but I vote freedom above how I think people should act and I don't care to explain to Christians at this time on how that jives with scripture.

110 Jeff B.: Evangelicals are not a monolithic block.  Many of us (especially the under-50s) do understand federalism and small government.  And I don't give a flying burrito what Dobson thinks or says about anything.  He's even less useful as a group spokesman than Jesse Jackson.

111 Leaving aside the questions about her intellectual capacity for the job, she's branded herself primarily as yet another base-pleasing evangelical type.

Yeah, that's total BS. I saw her as a Gingrich padawan. And we didn't see her as a Reaganesque  figure because she  loves her some Jesus.

112

Palin was always off message. She did not adhere to the message that McCain's fondest and only desire was to Lose With Honour^tm and actually tried to win this mother for the people supporting them. That is why McCain had to keep her hogtied in the basement for a good part of the proceedings once she'd got support for him to levels where his defeat would be a Loss With Honour^tm instead of a regular old Ass Kicking.

113

97

There's a couple more stories there at newsbusters about her.  She seems pretty hostile to the base to me.  I would not be surprised at all if she has blames the whole thing on Palin.

114 Well this is the exact opposite reaction we should be having.  And the GOP would have a very hard time holding on to McCain's seat.  In all likelihood, Janet Napolitano would run for it, and get elected. 

Look - we're all pissed McCain lost, and we're all a little upset he even had the nomination - understood.  The reaction is not to kick the two men who were among the very, very few of either party in Congress to back the surge.  A lot of Republicans opposed it - hell, Oliver North (!) opposed the surge.  Are these other guys who refused to go to bat for it "real" conservatives?  If that's the case, I'd take McCain and Graham (and Lieberman, if he'd like to switch parties), no matter what their other faults, into my party over the guys who were too chicken to back it.

We look at Mike Pence as a "true" conservative leader now.  But just last summer, he was one of the many otherwise conservative leaders suggesting something had to be done on immigration.  But a number of the guys over at National Review, which I usually agree with, were shouting him, and others, down as RINOs and supporters of amnesty, no matter what the proposed solution was.

I know the whole "Big Tent" philosophy has an aura of "squishiness" to it.  I don't suggest we buy votes.  But McCain (McCain!!!), who NR called "Amnesty John" on a cover a couple years ago, was walloped by the Hispanic vote.  WALLOPED!!  Republicans could end up losing Texas someday soon if we keep going like this.  I don't think we need to start handing out passports and drivers licenses in return for votes, but we also have to understand that "conservatism" is not a check list of pre-approved positions that have to be all checked off before one can get the stamp of approval.  If we start looking at it that way, the Republican Party will be dead in no time. 

I am a social con, a fiscal con and a foreign policy con.  But I'd probably disagree with many of you on immigration.  Does that make me a RINO?  Does that mean you wouldn't want to use my support for the other 99% of the issues we agree on?  Sure, the Lincoln Chaffees of the world come from a Republican Party of social liberalism, big spending and foreign policy squishiness (detente, realism, etc).  But John McCain and Linsdsey Graham are no Lincoln Chaffee.  They are good people to have in the Republican Party, and when we disagree with them, we argue respectfully over it, and then go back to agreeing as normal.   

115 smiling_dog, no, I didn't say it's in Africa, though an argument could be made that technically it is.

116 I have been doing meth for the last 3 days, did the colored fella win?

117 I should add, for presidential picks - its ok to look for the person with conservative principles over the moderate with the hope of attracting independents.  In that sense, McCain was always going to be a hard pick even if I do greatly respect him.  But then again, we didn't have many good nominees this year.  We had good Republicans (both moderate on some issues and conservative on others), but no really good presidential nominees.  Fred was the closest, but he had no interest in actually campaigning. 

118 An argument could then be made that Israel is in Africa. Really, an argument could be made that Spain is the northern part of Africa. Plenty of arguments could be made.

119 I'd honestly like to see Michael Steele as RNC Chair.

120 "I have been doing meth for the last 3 days, did the colored fella win?"

The 50's called, they want their joke back.

121 @Dan I give McCain credit for the surge, but Iraq is almost done and so is McCain's usefulness.  If he's not going to fight against the biggest internal enemy this country has seen (people behind Obama) then I have no use for him anymore.

BTW you don't happen to live in Nevada, do you?

122 "We look at Mike Pence as a "true" conservative leader now."

Speak for yourself.

"But McCain (McCain!!!), who NR called "Amnesty John" on a cover a couple years ago, was walloped by the Hispanic vote.  WALLOPED!!"

And your prescription is MORE amnesty?

LOL

What is this pro-McCain rant doing in this thread anyway?  It's not about him, except as far as he's failed to keep his guys disciplined.

123 smiling_dog, yeah, they could, but they wouldn't all be equally valid. But to get back on the point, what makes you think Sarah Palin really doesn't know Africa is a continent?

124 Michael Steele is a relatively new face, all considering, that I can absolutely live with.  That's some good thinking there.

125

Some Nicole Wallace videos

http://tinyurl.com/5thd2y

Nicole Wallace talks to Shemp Smith

http://tinyurl.com/6aptgd

Nicole Defends Sarah not talking to Media

http://tinyurl.com/6772v9

 

 

 

126 She never branded herself that way, that's the blue-bloods and the MSM trying to make her into another Buchanan or Huckabee. I heard of her long before she was selected as VP, and I always thought of her as a small-government corruption-buster, not a religious type. There's never been any indication that her religious views influence her policy choices. Jeff, you're way too susceptible to the MSM memes, research things for yourself.

Look, I already know everything you're saying.  I also know enough about politcal campaigns, branding, and public image manipulation to know that what you're saying doesn't matter.  Whether she branded herself that way or whether it was done for her by the media, the damage is done and will be extremely difficult to undo.  First impressions being the most lasting, and all that.  Furthermore, she is also at least somewhat complicit in this as well: she knew full well coming in that she was the "base pick," chosen in large part because her evangelical and pro-life and general culturally conservative bona-fides would rally the religious right to the ticket, and she (nor McCain's people, to be fair) made no effort whatsoever to flesh out that stereotype by playing up her libertarianish side.  If Palin had heavily emphasized THAT aspect of her political beliefs, she would have been a far more appealing candidate, in fact quite possibly a truly transcendent one.

It's one of the most famous political maxims of them all: if you don't define yourself to the nation, your opponent will find a way define you instead.  That's what happened to Palin, and whether or not it's "fair," it just IS.  We have to deal with that reality.

127 "I'd honestly like to see Michael Steele as RNC Chair."

Based on what?

IIRC he's something of a squish anyway.

128 what '50's the 1850's

"And say hi to your mother for me"

129
Let's just say that I'd not want him on my team either way. That is one poorly timed and pathetic response.

Yes, he should have been fired for that alone. A campaign manager who can't enthusiastically and unequivocally defend his candidates doesn't belong in that position.

130 Quit playing smiling_dog's game.  If he wants Trivial Pursuit: African Edition to be the new VP litmus test than I would pay-per-view to watch someone administer it to Joe Biden.

131 127 "I'd honestly like to see Michael Steele as RNC Chair."

Based on what?

IIRC he's something of a squish anyway.

He's been a staunch conservative in all political views that I've seen him espouse.  Especially when it came to the war, drilling, and core beliefs of small government.

132 She didn't seem very intelligent to me. Somewhat witty, I suppose, but just didn't give the impression of any kind of knowledge base. I also didn't get the impression that she cared about much of what was going on in the outside world (or even the U.S. outside of Alaska). The problem with your argument is that you are saying that she was hidden from the press for no reason at all. You have to admit that she had to have some very huge knowledge gaps in order for them to hide her away the way they did.

133 Oh, My!. What am I sayin'? God love ya, Ian S.

134 Its obvious that Palin is still a threat the way they are still attacking her.  They want to make sure she never ventures out of Alaska again.  In 2012 will she be the best candidate?  Who knows?  I love the gal now and would love the chance to see if she is the best option for the country in 4 years.

135 Would it help if I constructed a giant paper-mache Steve Schmidt head? Suddenly I have nothing to do.

136 smiling_dog, your impressions don't mean anything. There are other reasons to keep her sequestered in the beginning. She needed to be up to speed on the campaign talking points for one thing. When she was finally sent out for media interviews they were gotcha instead of on the points.

137 smiling_dog, and you shouldn't talk about her in the past tense. You'll be seeing and hearing more from her in the future.

138 Frankly, I think that Palin has had her 15 minutes. She will go off into obsurity in a few weeks and will become a trivia question.

139 #135 Stay put and don't do anything.  You will be contacted shortly for the civilian police force.  Most likely the Ace of Spades blog will be your first assignment.

140 Did I mention how much I love having balls in my mouth? It's just something about the contrast of the smooth skin and the tickling of the ball hairs on my tongue. Delicious!

141 Shows how much you know.

142 I see where the courageous resort to their usual line of attack when they can't convince that Kuwait is in Africa.

143 What I don't understand is how we're rating all of this shit.

In the dem primaries, Obama said that he'd take cap gains taxes above optimal treasury return levels.  For what, because he's into unnecessary taxation on investment?  It was so stupid that even Gibson was surprised and came back to the question, basically asking, "Really, that's really your answer?"

Yet, Palin, never once saying anything nearly this stupid, is the retard?

I don't get it.  I just don't.

144

134 Its obvious that Palin is still a threat the way they are still attacking her.  They want to make sure she never ventures out of Alaska again.  In 2012 will she be the best candidate?  Who knows?  I love the gal now and would love the chance to see if she is the best option for the country in 4 years.

Exactly.  Whether she's the choice for 2012 depends on many factors, but in my opinion she has a bright spot at being able to be.  Once McCain was chosen as nominee, I was done with the Republican Party.  I was up to sitting out and letting the chips fall where they may.  But once he picked Gov. Palin, and I researched her, I became enthusiastic over the party again and worked to get HER elected more than McCain.

I hope she stays on the national stage, and I look forward to hearing, and reading things about her (good things, not this smear crap) in the close future.  Especially her speech at CPAC.

145 I am so angry that the Mccain camapign refused to let Gov.Palin speak before his concession. And he almost forgot to mention her in his speech, after all that she has done for him and then spoke one measly line about her without even looking at her or praising her. Fuck them.

146 Do not worry.  Articles will be written and books will be published. Names will be named.  We shall soon know all there is to know about the inner workings of the McCain-Palin campaign.  Sit tight.

147 smiling_dog, what are you talking about?

148 Jeff B.,

I reject your assertion that Palin's evangelicism, something she did not campaign on or force anyone to accept, is a detracting factor even though she was lauded by some Dobson-type ideologues.

I'm an evolution-worshipping, agnostic (which is as atheistic as I can be as a disciple of science), libertarian-conservative, and I embrace Palin as a candidate more than anyone since Reagan. She lives what she believes and she functions in government according to the job description and within its defined constraints. I know she respects other POV's and would respect me even if we have fundamental,  philosophical and diametrically opposed views on critical topics.

Do I yeild such deference to any ol' evangelical? Not on your life. But she's the genuine article. She has enough "intellectual curiousity" to do her job, perform it admirably and within the limits of governance, and exhibits a class very few in DC, quite obviously, possess.

Don't pigeonhole independents as a monolithic bloc afraid to touch the Bible-thumpers. People like me want honesty. We accept mistakes and imperfections if the intentions of those making them are sincere. We do not accept smears and disingenuity. If an evangelical meets basic preconditions of just being plain decent and hard-working, then they have appeal. If their platform agrees enough with mine, then I'm receptive even if some litmus test of the many we contrive do not match.

149 Dan I am not sure what you are getting at regarding McCain.

As you say he LOST the Hispanic vote big time, so what did his pandering get him on election day? Why make that compromise when there is no pay-off for doing so?

150 Jeff B.,

What you're conceding in #126 is very different from your original complaint. There's no reason why, liberated from McCain & free to define herself as she likes, display her full political persona, and with more time & opportunities to do so-- after all she was acting in service to *Mccain* here-- Palin shouldn't highlight those different aspects of herself as a candidate. By the way, the unfair "branding" you're talking about-- which you ask us to accept as "reality"-- was enabled & furthered by distorted characterizations of Palin just like yours, above. I see no reason why we should accept the MSM branding of Palin as unchangeable reality, fuck that.

151 David,

No question, McCain wouldn't hit back, and it hurt him.  But to say he's fading in his usefulness is absurd.  First, you completely underestimate the seminal importance of the surge.  Second, you don't reward people by throwing them out of your party.  Third, Afghanistan is rising in importance as Iraq falls.  We need to figure out what to do there, and I trust McCain on that more than many of the other Republicans.  Fourth, Obama is not our enemy.  Al Qaeda and other jihadists are.  I will likely agree with Obama on very little, but he's not my enemy.  And no, I'm from VA.

Someone,

Your response isn't even coherent.  If McCain was really lining up to hand out drivers licenses to illegals, he'd have gotten much more of the hispanic vote than he did.  Of course the answer isn't amnesty (even though that word has lost all meaning - kinda like neoconservative).  But the answer isn't to stand there and shout at people in your own part with whom you largely agree.  B/c while you're doing that, the Democrats are the ones who benefit.  Shouting Amnesty everytime someone tries to propose a solution is not a conservative principle.  It's a talking point. 

152 Forget 2012. This is about 2010.

While everyone is looking for someone to blame, let's not forget that Sarah Palin has a lot of enemies up in Alaska...most of them corrupt Republicans she ousted...most of whom would be happy to see her lose in 2010.

It may indeed be someone in McCain's camp spreading these stories, but if not, I would start looking at:

Alaska Republican Party Chairman Randy Ruedrich,
Former Alaska Attorney General Gregg Renkes,
Former Governor Frank Murkowski,
Senator Lisa Murkowski,
Senator Ted Stevens.

153 Bilby:  please do not feed the trolls

154 McCain kept seeming to think his old media friends would carry a story for him

McCain was totally fucking blindsided by the way his best buds in the media, who had always been on his side (when he was the maverick taking on other Republicans), turned around and stabbed him in the back as soon as he was running against a Democrat.

155 Dan, my point is the people behind Obama are our enemy.  Obama is just the puppet, but still dangerous considering the entire package.

I'd love to have McCain's influence on foreign affairs but as Israel believes already, foreign policy will be a joke these next 4 years.  McCain is another washy moderate who makes the Conservative movement look like a bankrupted joke.  If I was in AZ I'd vote L and would have voted L (even though I hate Barr) if the attacks on Palin didn't wake me up to what was at stake this election.

156

How the hell is Sarah Palin or anyone else supposed to know how to answer questions as McCain would. It isn't possible. As a typical political junkie I could do a press conference for just about any candidate out there except for McCain. There's no internal logic to his positions. None. He is vehemently anti-abortion, but okay with embryonic stem cells. Where's the logic. He is all about linking Obama to Ayers but not Wright or Rezko. He fucking dropped everything to race to DC to facilitate a handover of nearly a trillion dollars to people who squandered their own money and calls himself a conservative. None of this made sense, but was only better than the alternative.

Now we've got slime in the campaign trying to blame their mistakes on Palin. Fuck them too. This is like 1996 a campaign that should be the last for anyone who worked on it.

Purge the idiots and Quislings and backstabbers and let's get back to work converting the Republican party into something respectable that conservatives would want to be a part of. All the rest follows from that. We will never win by acting like the other guys.

157 The MSM branding of Palin is entirely reversible.  The truth is, Palin didn't start the culture war - the left did.  Palin never injected social conservatism into governance.  Instead, she's a social conservative with libertarian bent.  She has her own opinions, and tries to bring people around to her position, but has never tried to legislate that way.  She even signed a bill on same sex benefits. 

The problem was, neither she nor McCain pushed back on this.  They never brought up social issues like abortion or gay marriage, but neither did they really try to push her reformist credentials.  True to Mac's focus on earmarks, they tried to push the Bridge to Nowhere.  Regardless of who was right, they lost that battle.  They should have been pushing how she got the corrupt state GOP chairman and attorney general to resign (without the specifics that would anger state GOP officials) and started clean up of the corruption in the oil services business in Alaska.  They should have talked about her energy experience.  The week she was picked, she was on CNBC with Maria Bartiromo, and gave a great analysis on how the Obama/Biden energy policy was unrealistic.  Obama successfully hit against drilling saying it was only a small percentage of oil, but Palin's point to Bartiromo was that it was the perfect bridge to renewable energies.  Obama and Biden want to just start with the renewable energies, even though that will take years and years with no short term solution.  But it never came up during the campaign.  She didn't give any kind of policy speech until the last 2 weeks, and it was well received by the media when she did.  She should have been doing that earlier.

She's going to go back to Alaska and govern for 2-6 more years, build a policy agenda that focuses on more than just Alaska, tackle a bit of a budget crisis now that oil prices have plummeted, and come out of it renewed. 

158 Obama/Dave/Whoever,

I disagree.  I think McCain will be good on foreign policy, be it Afghanistan, a more agressive Russia, etc.  I don't expect him to be a stalwart conservative on all issues though.  I still don't see that as grounds for getting the boot.  And McCain is definitely not a joke.  The corrupt Republicans falling left and right are the joke.  The ones with no principles are the joke.  The ones who voted on the bailout based entirely on who was winning in phone calls to their office (first opposing, and then supporting) are a joke.  McCain frustrates me sometimes, but he's not a joke.

159 Is it time to send an actual paper letter to Sarah Palin asking her not to give up, and to consider a run for the White House in 2012?

160 Dan, Can't argue with the RINO part.  Glad the party is dead.  The only use of it is to try and hold back Obama as much as possible while the rebuilding happens.

161

Ref. Comment 33.

3. The Return of the Conservatives.

162

This pointing of fingers by McCain aides needs to stop.  Conservatives needs to pick up their detached manhood (and womanhood), and to regroup.  There is no time for wallowing.  Now is the time to restructure the party, and take back its ideals, and to plan for 2010, and then 2012.

Wallowing in self-pity, denial, and infighting is what caused Democrats to lose in 2002, and 2004 after their Goracle lost.  They focused and frenzied on stolen elections, and never took at look at their party so they were under-prepared.  After 2004, they got their crap together, reformed, and came back fighting in 2006, and now this year.

Now is the time.

Not later.  Not next year.  It needs to start now.

Otherwise, this party is screwed until 2016, or worse.

163 Dan #157, exactly: the left started the culture war. The sequence of events: Palin calls the other side out, ever so subtly, for its display of elitist contempt (quoting Obama's own words re bitter clingers etc.), and hit her target all to well-- deadly & with a smile. And those who were wounded, only because the shoe fit exactly-- e.g. NY Times editorialists-- turn around in a huff to bleat: "oh, she hates us for being the *elite*!"

It was nauseating, seeing all those self-described "college-educated" "coastal-elite" "Ivy League" Democrats go about preening, moaning in hurt tones-- "oh, she hates us because we're educated, and sophisticated, and secular, and scientific, and worldly, and altogether superior human beings. She's an anti-intellectual evolution-denying fundamentalist bigot, the ignorant white trash religious freak! She's stoking the flames of culture war! They're coming after us with pitchforks! Banning books! Fascist! " It would've been hilarious if it wasn't so vomit-inducing. (As someone who happens to be an Ivy-League-educated, coastal academic, I never felt in any way that Palin was targetting me-- but the suffocating arrogant parochial elitism & contempt on display all around me. I was cheering her on.)

164 I was all set to drill, baby, drill.  Now I'm all about burn, bastards, burn.

165 Ace, all of this infighting shit is tedious, there's a new war to be fought.


And it starts with this:

Predictably, Obama campaign staffers are PISSED (and I am shocked...just shocked) that they haven't been paid.

Great quote: "I want my money today! It's my money. I want it right now!" yelled one former campaign worker."

fucking impetuous children.



Read it and laugh your ass off:


http://tinyurl.com/6ex3yb

166

LOL

167 OMG thank you for that link kal. I laughed til I cried. My favorite line:

"I worked nine hours a day for 4 days and got paid half of what I should have earned," said Randall Waldon."

Now you know how taxpayers feel cocksucker!!!!

168 Sarah needs to prove her bona fides. If she is as good as she seems, she should be able to wonk-up on all of the important issues, then hit the talk shows. For a few years. She's coming from such a PR deficit, the "bimbo" needs to prove to the chattering classes that she is a force to be pleasantly feared. Once she is "Bidened", the media might treat her rationally. (or maybe they'll make her clothes a #1 issue again)

169 I don't think the media will ever treat any conservative rationally until the current media is burned to the ground and rebuilt. Or at least all the far left lefties are gone or stymied. And it seems they reserved a special kind of vitriol for Palin. I hope that means she has a real chance in 2012--if she wants it.

170 "the media might treat her rationally"

The media will NEVER treat her rationally.  She is too obviously gifted, too much of a threat.

They will alternately fawn obsequiously and rip the hell out of her.  She needs to play them so they have to stick to the former.

171 The key here is to purge the party of RINOs and somehow take back (or at the very least, change) education and the media. When the party can figure out how to do that, we might have a fighting chance. And all the different factions of conservatives are going to have to work together and compromise. Voting based solely on single social issues is not going to win us any points.

And lots of people have said it before, including me, we have to fight dirty. Taking the high road has gotten us nowhere. McCain's campaign is an example of that. We fight like they do. It may be honorable to wait to see the whites of their eyes before firing, but you'll be dead before you can fire.

172 Lots of crap here and I suspect that nothing good will come of it.  It is making us all smaller, regardless of age.

In time, cooler heads will prevail, and we will get some better analysis: Fred is not lazy, Mitt has one wife, and Palin is no idiot.  How we are played!

Sure, there were problems with the message, problems with the candidate and, no doubt, problems with the handlers.  But this can only be left to a future Woodward book, which he will probably publish after all the principals have died.  In any case, there was a strong wind blowing this year and we were all pissing into it..

I can't help thinking back to the grace and dignity of George H.W. Bush (41) after a tough loss and a popularity rating of 90% only a year earlier.  Nor could one forget Nixon and Gore, who set ever lower standards for small and bitter.

We can do better.

173 LOL disinfranchising the poor folk already....haha  Now thats change you can believe in (regarding the Where's my pay story)

as the the cock sucking pieces of shit flapping lips about Palin from inside the McCain campaign, i hope you republicans learn one thing from this.  Don't hire dipshits to run your campaigns.

I am still in shock.  You guys (The McCain Campaign Staff) had the worst possible type of democrat to run against with only one defense, the race card and you let him play it and play you into a corner.  You are a bunch of fucking morons, i hope you are reading this, you had democrats and independants lined up ready to vote for you if you just ran a decent campaign and nailed Obummer to the wall and you couldn't grow a set of balls and go after him.  But you have the nerve to go on record anonymously and smear Palin who Prevented Gramps from suffering a 49 state loss?  You dirty shit for brains don't deserve the water it would take to flush your pathetic spineless selves down the political toilet.

I hope each and every one of you gets a boil on your ass the size of a grapefruit and ends up with anal warts.  I really do.

Shame on you for being such total incompetant boobs, and for smearing a woman who did more to save that shit on a flaming piece of toat campaign that you people ran than even Jesus would have.

You couldnt get a clear mesage out if your lives depended on it, and Tucker, you fucking moron, you have no business being a campaign mouth piece you moron, you couldn't even hold your own against that idiotic bimbo on cnn.  I was screaming at the boob tube that day hoping to telegraph some basic lines to you but no way were you competant enough to handle anything leastwise a campaign.

All of you staffers sucked!

No excuse for losing this one people.  You couldn't have had a worse candidate to run against.  Even Joe the Plumber was smarter than you ivy league surrogates.  He got the message out in one brilliant move while you morons ran around shitting your pants and showing total incompetance in managing your candidate.

I really can't blame McCain, Its the team that defines the way the message is handled and gets out.  None of you deserve to ever work in politics again.  All of you go sterilize yourselves so you can avoid poluting the gene pool further.

Beyond disgusted.

Didn't know Africa was a continent my ASS!

Stop the bullshit.

You only have yourselves to blame.

McCains highest point in the polls 47 after selecting Palin.

McCains election night percentage of pop vote 46%

The total mismanagement of the mortage crisis and the final two months of the campaign should have cost you boobs atlest 20 points in the polls.

You all should Kiss Palins hot ass for keeping you in respectable territory with the loss.

Stupid jerks.  You are all incompetant.  Truly you are.

Don't take this as a personal inslult, its just a statement of fact, you suck at your jobs and should all be blacklisted from working a campaign ever again.

Assholes.

174 @163

The sad thing about liberals is that they fail to see the irony in many of their positions. It's funny to see on our end, but it's pathetic they can't learn from it.

Liberalism really must be a mental defect. They're some of the most unself-aware people I've ever come across.

175 Oh, and the Republicans need to STOP PANDERING to minorities. They all vote Democrat. For whatever reason, Republicans can't seem to draw the majority of blacks into the party. McCain was one of the co-sponsors of the amnesty bill and he got no thanks for it from the Hispanic community.

And really, as an American of Chinese descent, why isn't anyone pandering to the Asians?!

176 anyway my final comment to my fridns on the right before i return to my life on nonpolitics.

The democrats always fuck it up.  Be ready Be Consistant and Be Ruthless.

Now that we have a black President Elect, there is noone who can ever get away with saying the country is racist again.

The next time they play the race card, shove it so hard and far down their throats it pops out of their collective left wing asses.

Now Go rebuild your party, exterminate the rats with lips and come back to fight stronger next time.

And as much as it pains me to say it, your greatest fear, hillary was neutralized by Obama and her career is over.  Half of your battle was won for you.

With Pelosi Frank and Reid you have no reason to lose going forward.

Make sure you astroturf fully over he next 2 years that the democrats layed the groundwork for the crisis every chance you get and hold to it.

Once that sinks in they are screwed.

Good luck and i hope to cross party lines to vote for Palin again in 4 years.

177

Get used to complaints about Obama. That guy is a snake oil salesman.

When we talk about the future of the Republican Party, and we look at Bush, McCain and most of the other Republican leaders for the last thirty years, with the notable exception of Reagan and Gingrich, what do we have? A bunch of pansies who are afraid to take the fight to the other side. Every now and then, McCain would put out a comercial that would give me some hope, but they never would mix it up with the Democrats. And all the while the Democrats are pouring it on. On the other hand, Sarah Palin was eager to get in the mix. So if you want me to make a decision between McCain and Bush and other like-minded Republicans and Sarah Palin, I am going with Sarah. I don't care if she thinks Africa is another planet. We have let the elites run the party and the country long enough.

With all the money that has been spent on pork in this country, we could have rebuilt the infrastructure of the entire country ten times. Conclusion. Current leadership does not have the best interests of the country at heart. and it is not going to get any better with Obama. i am going to hunker down for the next four years and hope that all the people that voted for Obama really pay the price.

178

"Palin's expressed opinion that Rev. Wright is a legitimate issue -- which subtly knocks McCain for not raising it -- was perceived as an attempt to preemptively blame McCain's wobbliness for his loss, which would theoretically enhance Palin's standing with the base."

 

If she's smart enough to figure this out...doesn't that make her prety savvy and intelligent?

179 Can't do anything until republicans drop the antiquated seniority system - a system responsible for pushing the old shit to the top of the tank.

Exhibit A:

Bill Frist
Dennis Hastert
Trent Lott

180 It's good to note who the early bailers are in the McCain camp so we can avoid them entirely for the next election, but I think Palin will keep them away from her anyway.

181

Since history books are written by the winners, why are we wasting our time listening to the views of the losers as to why we lost?????  I know what Palin brought to the campaign, and they are not going to make me think that "but for her we could have won".  They, and to some extent McCain, are the reasons we lost.  Sarah is the only reason we had a fighting chance and lasted as long as we did. Against all odds.

My dream ticket would have been Thompson/Palin.  Lets look to the future.  All we need to learn from those losers is "What are their names?"  That way we can be sure not to let them near another campaign.  Any other lessons we need, we should acquire from the winning playbook.

182

Hi I usually just lurk here,but this thread really got me P.O'd.

Palin is the one who created the excitement for the campaign and got people out to vote.She was the ticket.I can't believe that they are attacking her.

Well actually I can...They are destroying her so they can set us up with more of the same *ss kissing  moderates as before.

Another thing,whats with the congratulations of Obama from so called conservatives and repubs?

He lied and cheated,and bought his way to the whitehouse.

I will not congratulate a fraud,he is an illegitimate occupier in the WH.I say its time to bring out the SELECTED NOT ELECTED bumper stickers.He stole the primary and stole the general with full cooperation from the media.

I will show him the same respect that GW got ,none.And to the people who think that taking the high road will get you votes,it won't.The same hatred was on display the day after this incompetent boob was elected as before.By taking the high road you may be making yourself feel morally superior,but you are letting the rest of us and your party go down in flames.

Time to fight or get out.

Thanks for listening ya'll.

183

Another point.  Sarah going rogue was shown by saying she would have been willing to campaign in Michigan?????Many, many Michigan politicians were horrified when McCain said he was pulling out of Michigan,  Some of us thought we had our best shot at getting rid of Levin in years before they pulled out.  Some of us blame the fact that we lost our Representative to them pulling out.  Sarah saying she would come here (she evidently was not allowed to) caused lots of people to send her money.  Anybody who thought that her saying she wanted to come here was going rogue obviously knows nothing about politics.

184

Let me be the first to suggest that Palin '12 campaign with be every bit as successful as the Lieberman '04 one. 

Two totally different situations.  Liebermann pissed off his base in his support of the Iraq war.  He was screwed from the start.  Palin was brought in to appeal to the base.  That hasn't (and shouldn't) change.

185 Palin is an absolute gem of a candidate, a potential once-in a-generation transformational figure. If someone with competence was able to transform a candidate as flawed as Obama into a tax-cutting, pragmatist Democrat, imagine what unreal potential Palin has... that is why so many are trying to destroy her, both on the left and right. McCain's disfunctional orbit was probably not her best introduction to the national stage.

186

Ya know, politicians of any stripe are destined to disappoint you...

It's just the way it is. You got to stop listening to the media memes. Palin was great, she fired up the base. McCain was nowhere without her. They are trying to destroy her because they fear her.

The real problem the GOP has in 4 years is letting independents and democrats voting to choose the nominee in the primaries, notably the early ones. That is how they got stuck with McCain. 

And all the strategy post-mortems are moot. When the stock market crashed and the GOP did not immediately come out lockstep and finger Frank, Dodd, and Obama and their buddies at Fannie/Freddie for the credit crunch, it was over.That was it. Ballgame.

This is politics, not a gentleman's game. Name names, blame the perps or you lose.

 

187

Nothing new for the GOP, look how fast they turned on Bush, there is an interesting article from the WSJ linked at Instapundit on the shameful treatment of Bush by the left and right. One of the saddest parts of this campaign was listening to McCain criticize Bush. If he had been as hard on Obama as he was on Bush, maybe he would have won.

Yeah Bush tried to work with the dems to get things done, thats the nature of politics. Reagan didn't get everything the way he wanted it either. Big freakin deal, Bush also:

Allowed nNo terror attacks after 9/11 on US soil, rebuilt the US military, passed large pay increases for same military, restored honor to the Whitehouse (no midnight blow jobs in the oval office), passed tax cuts to help economy which we all benefited from, etc

Palin's treatment is par for the course. Well boys and girls , the revolution to take back the country from the looney left begins today ... who is in?

188

I'm done. I am a life-long conservative who is registered Republican, but that will change. I want nothing to do with that piece of shit party. The RNC completely fucked up with this campaign by selecting incompetent idiots to run this thing. Now because of interests of self-preservation, the worst of the startegists are using Gov. Palin as a scapegoat.

McCain was a very flawed candidate, and the campaign directors were worse. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

Theses attack on Gov. Palin are the last straw. When I colored in that circle on the ballot for the presidential pick, it was not for McCain; it was for Palin.

The election was not lost because of her. She was he reason it was as close as it was.

I, for one, think the GOP is a rotting corpse. It has abandoned conservative principles and is morphing into what was the old Democratic party.

I would like to see a revived Buckley-ite Conservative party. I can see Palin being a leading figure in it. What I would like to also see happen is when her term in AK is up, that she get a rotating fellowship with conservative think tanks like the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute. They would learn as much from her as she from them.

Anyone else interested in developing a fellowship fund for that?

189 @173

+1

and JeffB?
You led the charge in the "McCain or Die" movement last summer.Ignore the McCain's problems , vote for (R), suicide voters are traitors,hang together or hang separately.

Now you want to take the easy media-sponsored path of evangelical-bashing?

What. Ever.

I hope your anti-religious bigotry keeps you warm at night.

190

I have been married for a little over 7 years. People are actually having a discussion on a woman's wardrobe? How much was spent? How much was worn? My wife has a whole closet of "nothing to wear", I am sure almost all of us that are married do as well. Do I complain, no. So a woman running for the 2nd highest office in the land is being criticized for her clothing?

This doesn't even pass the simple sniff test.

191 If it is true that she didn't even know that Africa was a continent and not a country...

Give the troll a Scooby Snack. 

192 I voted in this election for Sarah Palin and the old guy she had on the ticket with her.

193 OK let me see if I got this right ...

Diva (check)
Emotional tantrums (check)
Shopholic (check)
Tart (check)
Dumb (check)

Am I missing any stereotypes? I guess no one has accused her of being indecisive.

We are no longer racist country but we sure as shit are sexist.

194 What you have to realities is that she is only average intelligence and people can tell that. Like it's not enough to be just smart enough when you are running for an office that is a 71 year old heart beat away from being leader of the free world. You have to have be really smart to do that and Palin does not cut the mustard.

The Cannuck prank call made this point.

You betcha...

195

The RNC is not the Grand Old Party anymore.  It does not represent me as a female, because obviously I am fodder for destruction. 

Palin is like me, 44 years old, children, husband, job, faith and integrity.  If they are this pissed off at her then she must be something to behold!  I say bring her back and clean out the whole damn rotten, stinky RNC.  The more she scares them and they attack the more I like her.

196 How dare the f*ckers try and blame Sarah.  Sarah was the ONLY thing that saved McCain's 'Campaign' (The whole god damned thing was a concession speech).  McCain was the worst 'Republican' candidate EVER, and ran the worst campaign ever.  NO BALLS.  That was the problem.  McCain never stuck it to Obama like Obama stuck it to him.  He did the standard republican thing and continued to get kicked in the face and say "see, I'm not as bad as this guy.."  What happened to the old Republicans?  The ones who would say "Don't tell the teacher, KICK HIS ASS FIRST!"  I guess they're all gone.  We no longer have 2 parties in this country.  The new GOP needs to rise and flush out all of the dead wood.  The leftists won with an extremist. 


....BTW   ROMNEY WOULD HAVE NEVER LET HTIS HAPPEN

197

This is OT for this thread but I read a comment here in another thread that stated pretty much what I was thinking.I voted early for the first time ver this time as did everyone else I encouraged to vote this year.Turnout was very heavy for early voting.I'm beginning to wonder if some of McCains early votes were made to disappear.I can totally see that happening, with all the overt voter fraud going on.It would be easy to be distracted by that and have someone "erase a couple 100 or1000 votes per county.One thing I do know is that I will never vote early again.I will wait until election day no matter how long the line is,and I will encourage everyone I know to do the same.

 

Also I'd like to know when someone is going to investigate the fraud in Obamas campaign?Where'd all that money come from?Why hasn't ACORN been shut down?What about the military ballots that were thrown out?

Who is going to hold Obama accountable?

198 Albert I am sorry that is elitist bullshit.

My guess is Sarah didn't cow to the inside the beltway ivy league staffers and they are pissed. Why because their whole world view has been since 8th grade is how much smarter they are than everyone else. And none of them have a lick of common sense.

And even IF (big if) all this about Palin is true they are disloyal scum bags. Do they have no sense of decency of what is right for this country? The GOP just has had a stunning upset. The country has elected a socialist. And these idiots are gossiping about Palin. What purpose could that possibly serve other than egotistical self interest.

BTW who is any dumber than Joe Biden a heart beat away.

199

This sort of bickering over who lost the election must be music to the Dem's ears.  Barack Obama won with illegal campaign financing and massive voter fraud, so who do the Repubs blame?  Sarah Palin, of course.  Idiots.  If this is how they behave we deserved to lose worse than we did.

The financing and voter fraud MIGHT have been overcome by a GOP candidate with charm, charisma and a willingness to fight.  John McCain wasn't that man, it's time to face the facts.  McCain would have won against a boring, stuffy Gore or Kerry.  No one could get any leg tingles from those guys. 

Sarah Palin was the best decision McCain made.  Too bad he didn't capitalize on that.

 

200 I have been saying for months McCain did not even try to win. He tried to copy the Bush 'I am above all the dirty politics' shit, but he is a shit, so it did not work.  Bush has the most respect for the presidency of any president in recent history.  Without Sarah, not sure McCain would have topped 42%.  I was going to vote for Barr, but could not get past Sarah.

She will hit the circuit the next 2 years and hopefully get a good shot at 12. USA will be tired of the One  pretty quickly.

201

I wonder if Biden knew Africa was a continent?  We do know that he didn't know who was President during the 1929 stock market crash.  We also know that Obama didn't know that his own home state of Illinois bordered Kentucky or that Auschwitz was liberated by the Russians and not the Americans. 

Talk about not knowing 5th grade geography and history.  

202
The Cannuck prank call made this point.

Which puts Bill Gates and Sarkozy himself in the same league.

203 But... she was exactly fucking right on all those points. So again, these clueless McCain aides can fuck themselves.

204

I'm just a regular Republican in a solid red state. I'm hardly a "party insider" or anything of the like. However, isn't it remotely possible that the reason that we lost is the simple one that no one seems to bring up. We did what the Dems failed at in 2004. We ran on a "anyone but Obama/Hillary" platform. We never gave people a reason to vote for us in an ocean of ads to vote "against them."

I'm just saying...

205 “I hate newspapermen. They come into camp and pick up their camp rumors and print them as facts. I regard them as spies, which, in truth, they are. If I killed them all there would be news from Hell before breakfast.”

-William Tecumseh Sherman

Already sent to Bill O'Reilly and commented at Sondra K

206

Here a newsflash for the Rockefeller Republicans.....Palin, Jindal, Cantor are the FACE of the Republican Party and they better get on the train or get RUN over by the train

207

All I had to know that the McCain senior staff were a bunch of losers was Bill Kristol's comment on why they didn't attack Obama has a liberal.  The senior campaign staff told Kristol that that line of attack was "old news" . 

Sooooo  it is now old news to attack tyhe dem on liberalism....check  got that.   the entire difference in you from them is old news.   You all get that mind set.  and they want to blame Palin?   fuck them.   I will try to do my part and change the GOP from within.  If not I will move on and join the dems to keep the dems conservative in the south. 

 

208

The clothes thing was always ridiculous. Michelle Obama wears borrowed designer dresses to every event, including the giant Grant Park Rally. Her dress was straight off the runway (as reported in the Chicago Tribune), and would have cost over 10,000 bucks to own. I'm guessing the value of her outfits over a year of campaigning at over a million. But since it was all willing given to her by the designers themselves, there's no embarrassing bill. Heck, because they were worn by the wife of the one, they likely increased in value! It's an investment.

209 These disgruntled McLame staffers are no better than Scott McClennan and his ilk.  And where the hell is McLame at to denounce this trash about Sara?????  If it weren't for her, he'd have less than a snowball's chance in hell of getting the number of votes he did!!!!  Those whiney little pissants will be running to Obama for a job in the next few months

210

Well, here we go again.  Now we get to hear about the "infighting".

The truth is, McCain hit his "high point" with his convention, acceptance speech.   (If you want to call that "high".)  During that speach he seemed sincere and told a good story. 

From then on he was incoherent, stiff as a board (dont tell me about his injuries) and quite frankly, boring.  His debate performances were crap.  His pause and smile technique was, well, creepy.  He never seemed relaxed, it never seemed as if he had a clue as to what the point of his comments were.  He stuck to standard talking points.  He never attacked Obama on any of the hot items of the day, even as a throw out comment during the debates.  He never got out of character - except when he and Obama were trading jokes at that Catholic fundraiser (he should have brought THAT game to the townhall instead of the tired, retread act).  He lacked sincerity.  He assumed the entire population knew what he "meant" and never proposed detailed solutions.  His response for example to the question about how he would handle veterans issues was as I recall, an emotional "I know the veterans.  I will take care of the veterans".  What the hell does THAT mean?  It sounds heartful, but what the hell was his position on veterans issues? 

If he could not control his own campaign and VP, how the hell did we expect he would be able to run the country?

He was the wrong guy at the wrong time. 

Now we get to eat crow, hang on to our guns and religion and listen to our Republican "leaders" with a SMALL "l", cannibalize themselves.

 

 

 

 

211 Palin is the classiest act ever. Her saboteur detractors put themselves to shame.

Michelle Obama announced that she shops online from J. Crew, yet wears designer originals all of the time. Her taste, for all the fortune Michelle spends on herself, sucks. Wearing the Rodriguez victory dress, it looks as though the female anatomy is hemorrhaging.

212 Seriously, the evangelicals are ruining the party? Please, if they would have got off their butts and actually voted how they are supposed to vote, i.e.- sacredness of life, decentralized gov't, etc. the Reps could have any candidate they want an EVERY level of gov't.

But as it stands, they are distracted by shiny things like coins. Thus, they 30% of the EV's voted for The One while over half stayed at home probably to watch the praiseathon on TBN or to watch their TIVO'd dancing with the stars.

I'm disgusted with how Christians and Catholics vote, each cycle. I will have to answer for many things, but the dolts who vote for anything other than life as they hold to the Author of Life for shiny things are asking for trouble.

213 Let's not even talk about the more pronouncedly libertarian types.  Shit, they're already galloping away: we lost IN and NC because of them, and they probably cost Gordon Smith his Senate seat as well.

If the libertarians galloped away from Smith because they think he's a "culture-warrior" then they are even more stupid than I'd previously thought. And I did not think that was possible.

214 David Frum, no friend to Palin over the last 2 months, says it was Wallace.  It's on his NRO blog.  Why he would sell out someone who is trashing a person he despises is to be determined, but he has had run-ins with Wallace in the past.

215 Dan

But McCain (McCain!!!), who NR called "Amnesty John" on a cover a couple years ago, was walloped by the Hispanic vote.  WALLOPED!!  Republicans could end up losing Texas someday soon if we keep going like this.  I don't think we need to start handing out passports and drivers licenses in return for votes, but we also have to understand that "conservatism" is not a check list of pre-approved positions that have to be all checked off before one can get the stamp of approval.

If you want the Hispanic vote I can tell you how to get it. Support massive increases in spending for schools and universal health care. That's it. That's the only way the GOP gets the majority of the Hispanic vote. We're going to start losing Texas some day, but it's because of Republicans like you and Bush and McMoron.

216 This is all such crap.  Without Palin McCain's race would have been over, period.  A lot of people who voted for McCain voted for him for two reasons 1. They didn't want BO to have his "landslide" and  2. they wanted to send a message that they like Sarah Palin.

The republicans were outscored on tech.  The dems used tech brilliantly.  In the beginning I made calls, during the primary, for BO.  It was a finely tuned machine.  The names popped up you called and there was always a person on the other end.  In the last week I made calls for McCain.  Most people were not home so I just left the message.  The ones who were home refused to give their email addy.  With McCain you got one name at a time and you had questions to be answered.  Questions people didn't want to answer.

217 #211.  It is hysterical what the "conspriracy forums" are saying about that dress.

#212.  Not one word was said in churches as they were afraid of losing their tax exempt status.   They probably should have said something like "we are afraid of losing our tax exempt status, but, you are here, you know the right thing to do".  All those lawsuits, using the courts to his advantage were a great strategy, however, the moral aspect is concerning.

218 Aside from her religious right bona-fides (which I think are becoming more and more of a turn-off to a country that is consciously trying to move away from "identity" candidates, hence the insidious appeal of Obama)

Obama was the ultimate identity candidate, so that is a very peculiar thing to say. His skin color was the only reason many people voted for him. If he'd been a white guy the Dems would have gone with Hillary. But black trumps female in the identity politics sweepstakes.

219 In the beginning I made calls, during the primary, for BO.... I In the last week I made calls for McCain.

You're an odd one. What made you switch?

220 Andy,

The Catholic vote is divided between "Catholics" and those of us who actually attend Mass regularly and believe in this mumbo-jumbo and vote accordingly. Churches are filled to overflowing on our high holy days because these pretenders, motivated by the last vestige of conscience that has not been atrophied by secularism, feel obligated to show their faces. They are Catholic to the extent that Hillary is a Yankee fan.

221 #220.  This is why the Catholic church needs the Hispanics.

222 Republicans lost this election because they have strayed from the most important core republican value: fiscal conservatism.

People like Tom Delay and Ted Stevens represent this departure in deeds.  The McCain campaign represents this departure in message by failing to communicate to the American people the failed Democratic policies that caused the housing bubble and subsequent financial crisis.

I am a fiscal conservative who is not religious.  I changed my voter registration during the primaries from independent to republican in order to vote against Huckabee.  I did so not because of his religion but because he has not governed as a fiscal conservative and I knew it was unlikely a democrat would. Sarah has.  I admire Sarah because she has made fiscal responsibility the hallmark of her governance and has refrained from imposing her religious views on the public.  Sarah's actions speak louder than the media's words. 

I have always admired John McCain, but ultimately he is responsible for the behavior of his campaign staff.  Negative, anonymous rumor-mongering is the lowest form of betrayal and cowardice.  These people have no honor, and any organization that harbors them is doomed to failure.

As a woman, I am proud of Sarah for accomplishing so much in her short life, without the hand-up of a politician husband or father.  As a conservative woman, I feel I have finally heard my voice echoed on the campaign trail.  If the republican party turns its back on Sarah, they turn their back on the sleeping giant of this country: conservative women.

If the republican party turns its back on Sarah, I will turn my back on the republican party. 

Forever. 

I will never forget nor forgive.

And, I am not alone.

223 Read an article that the Catholic Church is doing a forensic accounting investigation of their contributions to ACORN which amount to millions.  Basically, because, when this "news" came out, people felt betrayed.  It is one thing to think that your contribution is going to feed a family in some poor country or to support a missionary and it is quite another to find out that it is going into a political campaign.
Catholics aren't giving money like they used to.  This started with all the lawsuits against the priests who were not properly vetted in the 70's.

224

Incredulous, many Bishops seem to agree with you but the studies of faith after being in the US for a few years proves them wrong.

What the (American) Catholic Church needs is very much what the RNC and the Country needs: Better leadership and better spokesmen.

 

225 #219.  I was never a McCain fan.  Always felt he was a democrat in republican clothing.  When he picked Palin I felt that she was "every woman".  Even if you didn't agree with her politics, you understood her life cause you were living it.  She was real.  Then, when they attacked her all over the place and throughout the campaign it looked like she was the presidential nominee, being given such deference from the BO campaign, I knew she was a winner.   Been talking to people about her.  Many perceive her as stupid based on the Coric interview "I mean couldn't she just give one newspaper that she reads?" and on that SNL comment repeated by Sarah Palin.   The media crafted the image of her as "stupid" and she didn't have enough time to change her image among the people.  Teh campaign this time was way too long and it worked to the dems advantage. 

226 Lately I've been saying that McCain voted for BO and forgot to tell Palin.  That certainly gets people talking.  People were apparently reading on the internet and then, when McCain didn't at least try and fight, they became disenchanted and just "went with everyone else."

227 Fuck Campaign Carl and Fuck O'Reillys dumbass.  This is ridiculous.  Oh and FUCK Megyn Kelly for bringing it on her show.

228 Isn't Kuwait the capital of Africa?

229

#175 Wherestherum

Oh and the Republicans need to STOP PANDERING to minorities.

Pandering and fighting for their votes is not the same thing. The GOP has done neither.

They all vote Democrat.

Nonsense. Even now over 30 % of hispanics vote Republican and we have done everything to chase them away. Obama can hardly get more of the black vote but we can get more of the hispanic and asian vote. Unless we keep being  stupid. Like all working people, they are natural conservative allies.

For whatever reason, Republicans can't seem to draw the majority of blacks into the party.

The reasons are well known. Still, a couple percent can be the difference between winning and losing a state. No minority is a monolithic block, though blacks come close. 

McCain was one of the co-sponsors of the amnesty bill and he got no thanks for it from the Hispanic community.

The amnesty bill that went nowhere because the Republican base screamend bloody murder? That one? We let 12 million illegals in and it was always obvious that many of them would stay. Should have made them citizens and quit whining. And that is the majority opinion even among Republicans, including Sarah Palin.

And really, as an American of Chinese descent, why isn't anyone pandering to the Asians?!

It may yet happen. Perhaps the perception is thatthey are smart and successful enough to know where their interests are.

230 So, the criticize Palin by illustrating how right she was and how wrong they were?

I think this is more a move to untie her and free her from McCain. They can't seriously think that "she thought we should fight Obama" is a valid criticism.

231 McCain definitely has a problem with judgment when it comes to picking his staff. Besides the obvious good call of picking Palin as his VP, sure seems like he whiffed on the rest of them.

Case in point:

Didn't think about this until the post-election Palin-bashing started up, and I had something of a memory-bomb hit me at about 4:00 this morning.

Bear with me here.

I'm a member of the CalGuns forum, which is mostly Republican (of course). But there are a few liberals here and there. If you believe what one of the CalGuns liberals says, it turns out that he knows the makeup stylist hired by McCain for Palin, and more importantly, she's a "total liberal".

  Wow, SUPER small world. So I'm reading the new york times today and I came across this article. It's talking about the highest paid person in the McCain Palin camp for the first two weeks of October.

Quote: Updated | 12:20 p.m. Who was the highest paid individual in Senator John McCain’s presidential campaign during the first half of October as it headed down the homestretch?

Not Randy Scheunemann, Mr. McCain’s chief foreign policy adviser; not Nicolle Wallace, his senior communications staffer. It was Amy Strozzi, who was identified by the Washington Post this week as Gov. Sarah Palin’s traveling makeup artist, according to a new filing with the Federal Election Commission on Thursday night. Amy is this girl my best man (best friend) dated for a long time a few years ago. We used to drink tons of beer and hang out with homeless people in my neighborhood in San Pedro.

The funniest part? She's a TOTAL liberal.

HAHA!
At first, I was thinking "okay, she's professional. she can separate her political and professional lives.", and I commented as such at the time.

Now, I'm not so trusting. Seems like such an obvious opportunity for the Dems to have a mole inside the McCain camp. Ask any intelligence officer: some of the best spies come from the service staff.

I'm not saying that she was a Dem. mole, she could certainly be able to maintain an appropriate level of professionalism. I'm saying that, if what this guy says is true, this illustrated just how stupid the McCain camp was about picking their staff.

232 Whoa. The quote got all screwy there. Here's the quote from the CalGuns thread.

  Wow, SUPER small world. So I'm reading the new york times today and I came across this article. It's talking about the highest paid person in the McCain Palin camp for the first two weeks of October.

Quote: Updated | 12:20 p.m. Who was the highest paid individual in Senator John McCain’s presidential campaign during the first half of October as it headed down the homestretch?

Not Randy Scheunemann, Mr. McCain’s chief foreign policy adviser; not Nicolle Wallace, his senior communications staffer. It was Amy Strozzi, who was identified by the Washington Post this week as Gov. Sarah Palin’s traveling makeup artist, according to a new filing with the Federal Election Commission on Thursday night. Amy is this girl my best man (best friend) dated for a long time a few years ago. We used to drink tons of beer and hang out with homeless people in my neighborhood in San Pedro.

The funniest part? She's a TOTAL liberal.

HAHA!

233 Nonsense. Even now over 30 % of hispanics vote Republican and we have done everything to chase them away

Bullshit. Bush and McCain spent the last several years kissing "The Races" ass.
That 30% is what the GOP has always gotten from Hispanics. Even Reagan got that much back when he was winning every state in the Union. After the Reagan amnesty in 1986? The GOP share of the Hispanic vote dropped.

We let 12 million illegals in and it was always obvious that many of them would stay.

No, cocksuckers like you let them in. The American people did not sign off on having their country transformed into a Hispanic one.

234

Nonsense. Even now over 30 % of hispanics vote Republican and we have done everything to chase them away.

WTF?

Like all working people, they are natural conservative allies.

Then they should naturally be attracted by what naturally attracts other goddamn conservatives. Including those evil white ones.

We don't have to go out, wear a sombraro, speak spanish, and offer them  a free burrito if they vote for us, because conservatives not only don't base their vote on handouts, they actually are offended by them.

You can't racially profile people at an airport, but you want to racial profile voters?

Perhaps the perception is thatthey are smart and successful enough to know where their interests are

If I were hispanic I would kick you in the nads.

235

McCain himself decided he wouldn't run on the subprime crisis...

What are you talking about, Ace?  McCain made a great show of suspending his campaign for the sole purpose of dealing with the crisis, only to come off as a feeble weirdo.  Little wonder, then, that after such an embarrasing debacle he would choose to keep his mouth shut and fall in line.

Of course, if you mean that McCain should have placed all blame for the meltdown on Democrats and minority homebuyers, the problem McCain likely ran into there was that it's patent horseshit (hence its popularity on talk radio and in winger blogs).  No-one buys that the party that was out of power while the crisis gathered is wholly responsible for it, and no serious analysis of what is a worldwide credit crisis will lay it a the feet of poor brown and black Americans, not with the $45 trillion market in CDS's last year.

Admittedly, that latter does seem to hold a lot of appeal for the conservative base.  For the life of me, I just can't imagine why that would be so.

236 McCain was one of the co-sponsors of the amnesty bill and he got no thanks for it from the Hispanic community.

The Hispanic community does not give a fuck about amnesty. They want more money for the schools. They want more money for the hospitals, ideally universal health care. That's the sort of thing they want. The faux-libertarians need to come up with some practical suggestions about how we win the Hispanic vote, since they're all so fucking obsessed with opening the borders.

237 Of course, if you mean that McCain should have placed all blame for the meltdown on Democrats and minority homebuyers, the problem McCain likely ran into there was that it's patent horseshit

Why don't you entertain us with your Mighty Intellect by explaining why it's patent horseshit.

No-one buys that the party that was out of power while the crisis gathered

I'd think that  Gigantic Brain like you would know that the Rats were not out of power while the crisis gathered. They were obstructing needed reform every step of the way.

238 no serious analysis of what is a worldwide credit crisis will lay it a the feet of poor brown and black Americans, not with the $45 trillion market in CDS's last year.

Strange, but I notice that these same "serious analysts" have no problem blaming it on a US political party which was not even in power at the time - the GOP.

239 Perhaps the perception is that (Asians) are smart and successful enough to know where their interests are.

Asians vote Democratic. As do Jews.

240 "McCain himself decided he wouldn't run on the subprime crisis."

Someday I would like him to tell us why. It cost him the election.

241 Someday I would like him to tell us why.

He'd have had to tear into the Democrats. McCain has never, ever done that. The only people he feels comfortable attacking are Republicans.

242 McCain always hated conservatives, Palin was forced on him by the party because they knew Lieberman would enrage the GOP and he needed those votes. Now he's making them pay by taking it out on her.

243 ^^

exactly correct.

244 #24 Schmidt could have won the campaign, if he had a better candidate. "Celebrity" worked. Staying on message worked. Palin was a brilliant VP choice. It was John McCain who wanted to cover his ass in case he went back to Congress and refused to lock and load. ""Make them famous" was Steve Schmidt. McCain went to Congress during the financial crisis and refused to pin it on the Dems. That would have been his moment to walk instead of talk. He opposed the House Republicans and pushed for that "crap sandwich" laden with pork that hundreds of economists said would never work. Then we heard about AIG partying it up at a 5 star resort. John McCain was a Dem Lite running against a newer, cooler Dem. He lost to Obama (like Hillary did) for this reason. Not for being "too negative" or because of Schmidt.

245 #237 All McCain would have had to do was explain that this was an example of welfare statism gone awry and why we cannot trust the Dems with the White House, Congress and possibly the courts. Our government was not set up for handouts. The crash was not brought on solely by minority homeowners who should have been renters instead of buyers. FNMA pushed communities to flood the market with liars loans and fought regulation. Dems had no problem blaming capitalism, the President and Wall St. John McCain just had to argue like a Republican and push harder when the Dems cried RACISM like they always do and will keep doing even with their new Suntan Carter.

246 Palin is a victim of the implosion of the Republican party.  All the crisis and movements have damaged and confused the Republican party.  This disgraceful campaign of muddled communication and outdated tactics is simply the culmination of the destruction of the old Republican party as we know it.  The illuminati Democrats needed to win.  If not, the Republican party would have continued down this archaic road.  Now is the time for reformation of the Republican party, the purging of these "aides" whom seem to desire destruction of election needs to begin now if we are to be ready in 2012.

247 All of these schmucks who think they're the big players in the RNC are going to have some 'splaining to do when Palin is the top dog in the party.  She energized the true conservatives while the sycophants followed the old man over the cliff.

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شات دردشة مون لايت

منتدى مون لايت

دليل مواقع سعودي

فيديو يوتيوب رياضي

مقاطع يوتيوب المفضلة - مقاطع اغاني فيديو كليب يوتيوب , فيديو يوتيوب مضحك , يوتيوب رقص , يوتيوب مسلسلات ومقاطع منوعة - احلى يوتيوب

صحف سعوديه

صدى الملاعب

معلومات عامه,عواصم ودول

دليل الادله

شات دردشه كتابيه

شات دردشة صوتيةشات صوتي

العاب فلاش , بنات مكياج باربي

دليل ضوء القمر

دردشة مون لايت , دردشه , شات

منتديات مون لايت

دليل مواقع

دليل

سعوديات

السعوديه

توبيكات

توبيكات ملونه

بروكسي , بروكسيات , تحميل برنامج فتح المواقع المحجوبة

دردشة

شات

دردشة صوتية

شات صوتي

دردشة كتابية

شات كتابي

شات

دردشة

شات صوتي

دردشة صوتية

بروكسي , بروكسيات

حكم وامثال,امثال وحكم

ماسنجر , مون لايت , الماسنجر , مسن

اكواد الالوان,اكواد الوان

القران الكريم, قران كريم

دليل مون لايت

شات صوتي , دردشة صوتية

شات كتابي,دردشة كتابية

غرائب وعجائب , مون لايت , غرائب وعجايب

منتدى

منتديات

المنتديات

منتديات سعودي

منتديات

دليل سعودي

سعودي

شات سعوديات

منتدى سعودي

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ثقافه جنسيه

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رسائل رومانسية رسائل عشاق رسائل حب رسائل عتاب رسائل هجران

مسجات رسائل اسلاميه , رسايل دينيه

مسجات حب رسائل وغرام رسايل غزل

مسجات شوق رسائل وله رسايل اقراب

مسجات وداع رسائل فراق رسايل غياب

مسجات مدح , رسايل مهايط , مرجله

مسجات الاعياد , رسائل عيد حب , رسايل الاضحى الفطر

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مسجات نكت , مقالب , رسايل ضحك , عبط

مسجات نكت , مقالب , رسايل ضحك , عبط

شات سعودي صوتي كتابي دردشه

منتدى دردشة سعودي

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كويت كام , كويتي كام , شات صوتي
دردشة صوتية , دردشه صوتيه , دردشة صوتيه
دردشة صوتيه , شات كويتي , شات الكويت
جات صوتي , جات كتابي , جات كويتي
دليل مواقع , دليل , شات كتابي
دردشة كتابية , دردشه كتابيه , كتابيه
كويت كام

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الدولية والاقليمية, منظمات وجمعيات, الاسرة والمجتمع, الزواج, عالم حواء, عالم الطفل, قبائل عربية, تكنلوجيا وكمبيوتر, بريد, الأجهزة الخلوية, منتديات متنوعة, الانترنت, خدمات عامة متنوعة, الدعاية والاعلان, دين الإسلام, الـعلماء والدعاة, جمعيات ومراكز, تسلية وترفيه, دردشة كتابية, دردشات صوتية, بطاقات واهداءات, الفيديو, عالم الغناء, مواقع فنانين, عالم السيارات, شركات ووكالات, التربية والتعليم, الثقافة الجنسيه, الأدب والشعر والفنون, جامعات وكليات ومعاهد, الطب والعلاج, مراكز طبية, عيادات خاصة, المال والاعمال, التوظيف والعمل, البنوك والمصارف, سياحه وسفر, مرافق سياحية, فنادق, شركات طيران, صحافة واعلام, صحف عربية, إذاعة وتلفزيون, عالم الرياضة, اللاعبين ومشاهير الرياضة, أندية عربية وعالمية, دليل مواقع, شات كتابي, كويت, كويت كام, كام, كويتي, دليل مواقع, دليل كويت كام,

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تكنلوجيا,كمبيوتر,انترنت,الكترونيات

تسليه وترفيه, دردشات,دردشة صوتية, دردشة كتابية, بطاقات,فيديو,أهداءات

تربيه وتعليم,ثقافه جنسيه,جامعات وكليات ومعاهد,أدب وشعر وفنون

صحف واعلام,صحف سعوديه,صحف خليجيه,اذاعه وتلفزيون

مواقع رياضيه,انديه عالميه,انديه عربيه,لاعبين ومشاهير الرياضه

مواقع اسلاميه,جمعيات ومراكز دينيه,علماء ومشايخ,دعاه وعلماء

طرب ,وناسه,فن وفنانين,مطربين ومطربات

مواقع طبيه,عيادات خاصه,عياده اسنان,اطباء وممرضين

مواقع دوليه وأقليميه ,منضمات وجمعيات

مواقع اسريه ,قبائل وعوائل,عالم حواء,تربيه اطفال,زواج وتعارف,زواج مسيار,عالم الطفل

خدمات عامه ,دعايه واعلان

مال واعمال, بورصه محليه, بورصه عالميه , سوق مناخ ,بنوك ومصارف ,توضيف وعمال

دليل القز | دليل كويت قز | دليل القز الكويتي

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مهارات Mohammad reza heydarian محمد رضا حيدريان | فريق كرة سلة عجيب | احداث مبارة السعودية والكويت في كرة السلة | رمية أعجوبة في كرة السلة وفي الثانية الأخيرة نادر جدا | طرائف كرة السلة الامريكية | مقابلة كرة السلة تتحول الى مقابلة في القتال المفتوح | Bahrain vs uzbekistan . RINGO هدف رينغو الصاروخي على أوزبكستان | هدف كوريا الشمالية الاول في مرمى الاخضر السعودي | Saudi Arabia Vs North Korea هدف كوريا ع السعوديه| مباراة السعودية وكوريا الشمالية صفر 1ضمن تصفيات أسيا لكاس العالم | هدف سعد الحارثي في اندونيسيا | دبل كيك سعد الحارثي في اوزباكستان | بوفون حارس من طراز رفيع | زياد الجزيري وفاصل فكاهي مع دفاع نادي القادسية| مهارات وليد علي ضد أتليتكو بارانانيس البرازيلي| هدف ماكينغا الصاروخي على القادسية بتعليق فارس عوض| هدف حارس نادي الكويت خالد الفضلي على السالمية | زياد الجزيري اضاع بلنتي روعه امام القادسيه على طريقة زيدان | اهداف برشلونه على اتليتكو مدريد مبرات الذهاب موسم 2008\2009| Real Madrid 1 Vs 0 Racing أهداف مباراة ريال مدريد و راسنغ 2008/2009 هيقوين هغوين | هدف ديفيد بيكهام في مرمى اليونان  | هدف بيكهام اللذي سجله من 65 متراً | هدف بيكهام الفاول مع بيكهام| هدف بيكهام الاول مع ميلان فاول | هنري دمه خفيف هههههه| ضربه جزاء بالكعب للفنان توتي لاعب روما ومنتخب ايطاليا | حكم يستعرض  مهارات نادي القادسيه في مطار الكويت | تشجيع مع مهارات بدر المطوع ضد العربي | حركة القذر كيتا في نهائي كأس خادم الحرمين الشريفين | كيتا يأخذ الكره من عمر سماكه لاعب كاظمه في ذهاب كاس الامير | مرور حلو من نهير الشمري على موريتيو محترف نادي الكويت | موريتو يسحب بمدافع القادسية | عيسى الحربين يمدح ولهمسون الهلال الشباب | نصف النهائي الهلال الشباب السالم يطالب بركلة جزاء | ملخص الشوط الاول الهلال الشباب نصف النهائي | ركلات الترجيح كاملةً الهلال الشباب نصف النهائي | نصف النهائي الهدف الاول للشباب كماتشو الهلال الشباب | الدوري الإيطالي 2007 -2008 ميلان لفورنو الهدف الاول ميلان | ميلان اليوفي الدوري الإيطالي الهدف الاول ميلان بيبو إنزاغي
 

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