1

Now will Obama release his campaign contributions for those who donated less than $200? 

2 It's like deja vu all over again!

3

Dissent is patriotic.

Obama is a racist, commie, lying, scumbag, douchebag.

4 Hey, I'm really sorry but I'm afraid it's my fault that Obama won, you see I accidently broke a mirror the other day ...

I'll try to make it up somehow.

5 Which is worse, to be a douchebag or a douchenozzle?

6 We can't do anything without reworking the party though.  Right now the more moderate among us are blaming the conservatives, while the more conservative among us are blaming the moderates.  The Ayn Rand conservatives are blaming social conservatives, and vice versa.  Like this, we will be chaotic enough to allow the Democrats to lay all of Obama's failures at the feet of President Bush.  This will lead to a long exile to the desert.  So, we need to get back to the basics, the true basics of what we believe, of what brought us together, and work from there in a manner that will allow us to once again become unified and move forward.  So my question is this, what are the root values of the conservative movement.  I don't mean anything as specific as good government or taxes, but even deeper than that.  The two I came up with are security and responsibility.  What do we value?

7 Which is worse, to be a douchebag or a douchenozzle?

The nozzle, I think.  The bag doesn't go in the butt.

Excitable Andi notwithstanding.

8 I think he's forgetting the inability of children to ever ever admit they've made a mistake.

9 I think he's right about the nuclear exchange between Israel and Iran.  Although I see Israel launching a pre-emptive strike and Iran not surviving.

Zero (or his supporters) have mentioned putting members of the Bush Administration on trial (for alleged war crimes).  Any predictions that he'll follow through?

What about his Committee for Public Safety?  Oh wait, that's the term David Weber used in the Honor Harrington novels, I think.  I think Zero was going to call it the Civilian Defense Agency?  But what we should really call it is by its original name, the Cheka (back when Lenin came to power in Russia).  Any prediction about that?

It's going to be a rocky road, no?

10

I want to see him cry during his first press conference.

11 I would not be surprised at all if Israel makes a pre-emptive strike against Iran in the next 2 months, before Bush leaves office.   I can't blame 'em, but it'd be scary.

12 It was my first thought as well that Obama's supporters couldn't help but be disappointed when the mortal Obama actually gets to work (has anyone told Obama that he can't vote present as president - that you don't actually vote but make decisions).

But the more I think about it the true believers in Obama will never be disappointed in him.  The failures of W have been greatly exaggerated by them for years and now they will not see things as so bad (lessening in their minds the things Obama really needs to accomplish).  And even if Obama fails to deliver the rest of the things they really want they will buy his excuses (there's always an evil conservative lurking in the shadows).

However, the linked article is correct in that rank-and-file voters who voted for Obama are in for a big surprise.

13

My ODS has only intensified since last night. There has never been a more deceptive, dishonest and destructive presidential campaign...ever!!!!

It was nothing but lies, cover-ups and personal destruction and the media is complicit.

Fuck Obama...will never be my president. Extend a hand across the aisle, my ass. It only results in a bloody stump.

Obama will turn MY country into a socialist thugocracy and I simply cannot abide by that.

It's on!!

14 I'm sure Lenin didn't manage to meet his people's expectations, but he sure managed to keep his party in power for a while.

15

The root values of conservatism are not security and responsibility.

Security is the duty of any government. Communist China provides security. And Obama thinks he will.

Responsibility isn't specific to anything. Everyone wants everything to be responsible. You might as well say the root value of conservatism is 'good stuff'. And of course we oppose the 'bad stuff'.

16 I have three feelings:

1. Hail Ceaser! Where do I pick up my free shit Daddy Barrack promised me?

2. Who is John Galt anyway? See you at the Gulch...

3. Skinny McHitler or Jimmy Obama or Bush Jr....predictions?

17 Iran will get nuclear weapons. There will be nuclear war between Iran and Israel. (This is the only irreversibly terrible thing I see upcoming, and it's very bad indeed.)


Now I don't know what your definition of the end of the world is, but mine involves nuclear war.  And I'm sure that once the nuclear missiles start flying between Iran and Israel that everybody else will just sit down and work out all of their problems over a brunch rather than doing anything rash.

18 It doesn't matter anymore, guys.  It's over.

Gramsci's long march through the institutions is complete.

On another board, we were discussing conservatives "fleeing to Canada".  And of course, conservatives said "I'm not going to whine and bitch like liberals did about Bush."  On the surface, this is a mature, reasonable response.

But dig a little.

If McCain had won, liberals could still take comfort in the fact that they controlled:

Congress
The courts
The media
Hollywood
TV
Grade schools
High schools
Almost all universities

What else is there?

Gramsci's long march through the institutions -is complete-.  There's nothing left.

I think that makes it a little different.  A liberal whining about leaving the country because they don't completely control -one- of those institutions is actually part of the program, part of the process of the long march.  Even when in virtually complete control, play the victim, whine about how you're oppressed, and insist that if this country were only -fair-, they'd give them control of yet another institution.  And it's worked, beyond anyone's wildest dreams.  They've taken it all.  It's over.

What institutions are left in our society that a conservative can look on with pride?  Especially as an agnostic?  The BSA?  Even they are nearly doomed.

I'm thinking the Aztecs were right, if not about the world, then about Western Civilization.

Qwinn

P.S.  Even if McCain had won, as conservatives we -still- couldn't truly consider ourselves to own any institution.  Maybe half of one.

19 Number one agenda defeat Acorn in all of its tentacles.

How do we do that horrendous task, without another one just like it popping back.

20

Already sent this to 50 people.  Good shit.

Kemp

21 I propose that we quit calling the old media 'MSM'; that sounds like a food additive.  If you went out and polled the random person on the street and asked them what MSM stands for, you'd get blank stares.  Let's call them 'Big News'.

22

1. Hail Ceaser! Where do I pick up my free shit Daddy Barrack promised me?

Being a student, I'm going to leech as much crap as I can under Obama which I intentionally never did under Bush just to stick it to that dumbass gaffemaster.

23 hehe "well and truly fucked" is a comment I made here a few days ago.

24 I would have enjoyed watching lefty heads explode if McCain had won. But we're going to see lefty heads exploding anyway; it's just going to take longer.

Heh.

25 What Steven doesn't take into account is what we will perceive as Obama's failures is what the other side will perceive as his accomplishments -- global warming taxes that cripple corporations, major increases in gas tax, bigger government entitlements, higher taxes, more dependence on entitlements, etc.

26

from campaign spot

Tough To Win When You're Losing 1 in 5 From Four Years Ago

Some amazing numbers in the exit polls, many called to my attention in my Twitter feed.

56 percent of voters opposed the Bailout. A smart Republican comments, "McCain should have made that his issue." Bush voters broke 81-18 for McCain. The 2008 nominee effectively lost 1 in 5 Bush voters. 16 percent of Hillary voters backed McCain. The PUMAs exist, but not in numbers large enough to have made a difference, it seems.

27 Could there be a way to fund Polestra (sp), those kids that blew the whistle on Acorn with fabulous research, videos, and on air personalities.  They could enrich their careers and enrich America and themselves. Win for democracy.

They did better work than any cable channel news organization.

28 Don't screw with the BSA.  We're making tomorrow's leaders today.

29 One other good thing: no one will be spinning grand conspiracy theories about this administration's Vice President being an evil, conniving genius who is the true power behind the throne.

No shit!
Regardless of outcomes this will be Carter 2.
Nobody in the Dem party really liked Carter and the Dem Congress and Kennedy pretty much told him what was going to happen. The same thing will happen with Obama. Pelosi and Reid will fight him tooth and nail if he doesn't govern from the left. I feel sorry for Obama in a way, the same as I did for Carter.
It's really ironic that his 2 biggest problems are Afghanistan and Iran ala Carter and Obama will fuck 'em up just as bad.

30

Obama starts his classified CIA briefings tomorrow.  Then he gets to hear about everything going on, including the covert shit.  And it all belongs to his ass within two months.

I expect his smile to disappear, and him to get back to chain smoking PDQ.  Get ready for change Barack.

31
17 Now I don't know what your definition of the end of the world is, but mine involves nuclear war.

"There are two things that scare me.  And one of them is nuclear war.  The other thing that scares me?  Carnies.  Circus folk.  Nomads, you know.  Very small hands.  They smell like cabbage."

Sorry, I couldn't resist injecting some Austin Powers into the mix.

32 He hits the nail on the head.  I was watching one of the celebrations on TV last night - deliriously happy young people; it was actually kind of cool to see them so fired up - and I thought to myself, "In about four years, these young kids will all be Republicans."

I view Obama's presidency as primarily didactic.

33 I guess we don't have much choice but to wait and see what he does - in the meantime I am scouting for potential new homes - I hear Panama is very expat friendly or maybe Prague. As soon as taxes pass 50% I am done. Last one out turn off the lights.

34 96% of Blacks voted for Obama.
Obama is unqualified to be president. He is a product of Leftist Affirmative Action.
Now, Blacks might feel vindicated. But Whites are angry. They know this is BS.

If you want a Black President, there is Rice or Colin Powell. These are much better choices. I would be proud to vote for either one. Obama is a Leftist woosy. Obama might be a step up over Jesse Jackson. But not by much. Blacks may feel they gained last night. America has lost. Only when America becomes Colorblind society, when minorities vote on the issues and ideas instead of skin color will America have advanced.

Last night was symbolism. I am still waiting for substance.

35 This is a hopeful, but hopeless sentiment. If the Obama zealots aren't bothered by his inexperience, his associations, his buying of an election, his promise to redistribute wealt hand "fundamentally change America" - not "change Washington" like every politician promises, but "change AMERICA", why would we think they'd not cut him slack after slack after slack? Moreover, this assumes the left wants what's best for America. Many on the left do not and, frankly, wouldn't mind seeing Obama mess shit up. It wouldn't matter. They literally worship this guy. His supporters weren't holding their noses when they pulled the lever (or pounded the touchscreen), they were jumping for joy. The thing that makes me the most uncomfortable is the World's love for Obama. Since when, really, has the world at large ever wanted what's best for America. The don't want to see America changed, or better, or stronger. They'd rather have it weaker, less confident in itself. They'd rather see America wussified and socialized and NOT AMERICA. That's precisely why they love Obama. Not because he makes America distinct and stronger, but because he makes it weaker and more like whereever the hell they're from. The world loves the guy is enough for me not to trust him. The UN love the guy - that's all that really needs to be said.

36 Liberals still sliming Palin. Article on Huffington Post stating Palin greeted McCain staff in a towel once. I hate them. I hate Gutterball.

37 Here's Al Swearingen's take on what we should do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2Q7YRDL90E

38

I agree w/ Josh #6.  We need to rework the party.  I think we've lost our solid core values as conservatives.  We've morphed into some kind of soft pudding, Conservative Lite, and that in and of itself has been part of our un-doing.  There is no strong unity, imo.  This is imperative.

I liked the article.  It made me feel somewhat better, save for the fact that I fear Israel will be blown off the map at some point.  They must be scared crapless.  One thing I find hard to swallow is that the MSM will turn on Obama.  Their utter lack of credibility leaves me so distrusting that I can't see them becoming actual unbiased journalists ever again.  They are finito..in the tank leftists.  As much as I hope I'm wrong, I won't hold my breath. 

39

I'm not certain it'll be half as bad as half of you make it out to be.

Fairness doctrine, carbon cap & trade? Capital gains hikes... income tax cuts centered on people who allready pay 0 (or less!) taxes - meaning tax credit handouts. Come on. Do you really realize how well and truly fucked we'd be? Like..worse then 70's fucked? I'm talking 30's fucked.

If he manages to do that in 4 years, even our moron populace is certain to boot his ass so far from office he'll be living in his brothers hut in Kenya.

They gave Carter the boot. Remember - they gave Herbie Hoover the boot. Roosevelt was not in office when the depression struck. He or his policies couldn't be blaimed because the disasters preceeded him in origin. FDR and his great society came afterward.

40 I really expect him to be worse than Carter. Carter at least had the experience of running a state. Obama has never stood up to any entrenched interests. Pelosi and Reid will play nice for a couple months and then run over him.

41 It hit me last night that the majority of Americans are really no different than the citizens of  Western Europe, especially Spain. They had a terrorist attack, and immediately elected someone who would "talk" to the terrorists. Our first reaction after 9/11 was to fight, but after a while, I guess that reality became too unpleasant, and the appeasement gene kicked in. So sad that this gene is in so many of our neighbors, co-workers, friends and relatives.

42 Steven's main assumption is that Obama is a well-intentioned idealist who just wants to love and be loved. A young Jimmy Carter, I guess. Bill Clinton without the power addiction.

That would be great. There is nothing in his past to support the assumption, however. Well-meaning idealists have nothing to hide. They write stuff. They take well-meaning stands. They know people and people know them. They do not hang out with the most violent anti-establishment groups we've ever had and lie about it. Huge percentages of their young lives are not state secrets.

I truly hope that Steven Den Beste is right. My condolences to the people in Israel, Georgia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the Sudan who are going to die soon, but I can live with a failed Presidency.

43

We already have local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies. What possible reason could there be for a Civilian Security Force, which Obama promises to fund to the same extent as the military?

If you have any knowlege of the SA and then the SS in Germany, I think you know the answer.

44 It's going to be funny when Obama relegates Biden to funeral duty.

The first thing on Obama's to-do list is to muzzle Joe Biden and put him far away from the microphones. Biden will not be attending any cabinet meetings.

Oh, and Obama's cabinet? It will look like the faculty from Columbia's Afro-American Studies department.

45 #30: Neal Boortz was making that same point this morning.  Obambi has no idea what he's gotten himself into, but he'll be finding out very soon.

46 #9 -- The Nation's Kids, Valiant and Determined

or NKVD for short.

47 On the bright side, nuclear winter will cancel out global warming.

48 Slu -

Thanks for posting this. I urge anyone who hasn't read it to do so right away.

VERY good read.

49

Be disappointed and worried, yes, but not indecisive or finger pointing -- wailing and gnashing of teeth, no; clenched jaw and gritting of teeth, yes.

Time for conservatives, liberty lovers, and devotees of the Constitution to band together.

Time to reach out and steal demographic groups from the new liberals base.

Time for this coalition in opposition of the new Dem/liberal to start its own "march through the institutions" (yes, very much this -- this is the base of support that has to be neutralized).

Time to support any and all opposition for some of the more looney left policies that may come down the pike -- and if that means making alliances with people you consider "enemies", so be it (at least this election may have taught some people that good thing); if that means voting for someone who isn't your "favorite" but has the best chance of winning and reaching the political goals that are better for this country, so be it.

Subtle, quiet, patient resistance is always the best start.

 

And weather the storm of history, that will do its part with President Obama.

 

 

 

 

50

The worst president since Carter?  You've got to be kidding.  That's nothing.

What I mean is: Worse than Reagan? Easy.  Worse than Bush 41? Moderately difficult. Worse than Clinton? A pretty good challenge. Worse than Bush 43? Reasonably easy.

How about: He'll be the worst president since James Buchanan?  Difficult but accurate.

51 There will NOT be nuclear war with Israel & Iran. Israel will strike fast and strike hard.

52 Remember, everything that goes wrong in the next 4-8 years is BUSH'S FAULT.

Key words: Blame Bush.

53 I think  Den Beste is probably spot-on with his analysis, but it's a strange form of "optimism" that sees a nuclear war in the Middle East as an inevitability....

54

55 I disagree.  Security is not as simple as a lack of crime or external invasion.  Do you feel secure in your finances, that Obama won't take them away?  Do you feel secure that your values are not going to overrun from the bully pulpit by a progressive agenda?  When we think security, we tend to think of national security, but it's not just that.  Also, security is a stark difference between our values and theirs.  They would rather talk with our enemies than provide security against their possible attacks.  They would rather be kind to the poor criminal than insure the populace's security against their future crimes.  Can you name one time Obama made a point of making us more secure, unless it was more secure from the horrible mistakes of the Bush administration?

Responsibility is a lot like the security issue.  We demand personal responsibility, they ignore it.  It isn't the fault of the child that they don't try and don't care, rather it's the failure of funding, or understanding the child's issues.  It's not the responsibility of the individual to work to provide food, because the government can take care of it.  It moves the same way to how government works.  We demand responsible handling of the money we give them, and expect them to use as little as possible, while Democrats are more than willing to piss money away to special interest groups and on failed programs.  Democratic officials are often welcomed back with open arms after gross violations of conduct, while we tend to demand resignations and accountability.  Imagine one of our candidates getting away with covorting with terrorists, even if they were right wing ones.

So no, security and responsibility are not values that both sides hold, though they should be.

56 That's a great clip, wankette.

57 We've got 4 years to find our next Reagan. Any suggestions?

58

Being a student, I'm going to leech as much crap as I can under Obama which I intentionally never did under Bush just to stick it to that dumbass gaffemaster

You wouldn't be leeching off Obama...you'd be leeching off us. Use your head.

59 There will NOT be nuclear war with Israel & Iran. Israel will strike fast and strike hard.

I'm thinking the least-worst scenario might be a... one-sided pre-emptive nuclear war by Israel.  Which would be pretty awful itself, but would have the advantage of not leading to the destruction of Israel.

60

And nuclear war in the middle east doesn't scare me that much.

Because I think Israel will win. (Or at least take the whole shithole region out with them).

61 Steve is right if Obama is an idealogue.  If Obama decides he wants to be re-elected he will govern as a centrist, and that's something we can endure.

62 You want to see a conservative swing?  Wait til those kids get their first taste of Obama's compulsory volunteer community service.

As Richard Pryor put it after he did a few prison shows during his socially responsible phase:  "Thank GOD we have prisons!"

63

As I tell people:

I think the US is the greatest country in the world!  I HOPE Obama doesn't CHANGE that!

64 I feel sorry for Israel, and hope my mother-in-law isn't there when the shit goes down.

65 "We've got 4 years to find our next Reagan. Any suggestions?" If Palin uses the next few years to broaden herself, she might qualify. She's got the political skills, now she needs the conservative philosophical grounding. Some foreign trips and an assertive role in the Republican Governor's association might help too.

66 good intentions do not guarantee good results. Idealists often stub their toes on the wayward rocks of reality, and fall on their faces. And the world doesn't respond to benign behavior benignly.

Good intentions?  Benign?  Obama?  Whatever gave you that idea?  The unicorns that his moon-eyed supporters drew?  The rainbow on his logo? 

Please.  The guy's an arch-radical communist wrapped in effective marketing. 

67 @ Mike H at November 05, 2008 12:52 PM

Exactly right.  There won't be a nuclear war.  Israel will attack Iran and destroy its nuke capabilities before enough fissionable material is produced to build a warhead.  For Israel, it's a matter of national existence.

68 McCain lost about 20% of Bush's 2004 voters, if he has about 55 million, the extra 20% would put him at 66 million, above Obama's 62 mil (last numbers I saw). Then again who knows what other dynamics were at work - fraud etc?

69

3 "Dissent is patriotic."

That was pre-Obama, soon dissent will be hate-speech, and you will be prosecuted for being the hateful hating hater you are.  For the common good, free speech will be eliminated as a bourgeois conceit.

We can console ourselves with the idea of Palin in 2012, but that’s probably wishful thinking.  Obama was able to steal this election as a challenger.  As President he’ll try to make changes to turn the Presidency into a Democrat institution.  Remember, he’s a product of the Chicago Machine and they haven’t had a Republican mayor in 70 years.  When Obama is inaugurated they might as well change the capitol name to District of Chicago.  He’s going to make the Clintons look like amateurs.

 

If Obama gets out of hand, what's tostop him?  Nancy and Harry will be cheering him on.  Impeachment isn't even a threat.  And while I'm at it, if there were to be a challenge to this election, what do you think the chances are that the records would somehow be destroyed, and a recount impossible?

 

If we want a Repbublican to win we have to out-organize the Commonist organizer.  Bitching and moaning won't accomplish a thing, we have to get involved.  If we don't re-organize our party the only question will be whether   Republican Party disbands, just fades from memory, or the Democrat Lites just make it formal and get absorbed by the Democratic Socialists.  One-party rule would be justified as an application of Occam's Razor.  McCain can even wield the knife.

 

I hope and pray that Obama isn't God's judgment for baby sacrifice and Bush giving aid and comfort to the enemies of His chosen people.

 

I'd be more depressed than I am, but I can always pray.  They can't take that.

 

70 My biggest concern is that the MSM is going to let the Democrats lay every problem at Bush's feet. Normally blaming the predecessor works for a while, but not THAT long. VA and NJ gubernatorial elections are up in the first year of a president's term, and they tend to run anti-president. But this time God only knows. Obama might still be blaming Bush for his problems in early November of 2012, and the MSM wll be more than glad to let him

I just don't see the thrill-up-the-leg media turning on Jug-Eared Jesus. The youth vote maybe - everyone gets more conservative with age. But the press had ample opportunity to turn on him already and the never did.

71 Article on Huffington Post stating Palin greeted McCain staff in a towel once.

I will be in my bunk.

72 Help us black baby Jesus !!!!!! Wheres our check?!!!!!!!!

73

what's funny is, under the obama admin, all the "young folks" that voted for him are gonna get hit with a major dose of reality---looking for a job---and with his socialistic plans--there aren't any....inflation will kill whatever extra money anyone will make.....energy costs will skyrocket and obama will either fold to the conservatives energy plan or have another energy crisis like carter.

also, obama still has ALOT of skeletons in the closet, and like all haunts---they come back 10 folds....the gossips rags are gonna go after him, the bloggers are more motivated than ever and some people like ayers, wright and farrakhan aren't gonna stay quiet too long....they are gonna wanna talk....and when they do---ALL will be listening.

74 yeah I'd put my belief in the huffpo

75 what are the root values of the conservative movement.  I don't mean anything as specific as good government or taxes, but even deeper than that.  The two I came up with are security and responsibility.  What do we value?

On the financial side: economic liberty, free markets. 

On the social side: decency and tradition. 

76 The youth vote, what a joke. Wait till the youth have to register for Selective Service, girls too AND that will now include the Obama National Youth League.
How many kids are going to think volunteering for a couple thousand college cash a year is great when that amounts to painting apartments in the projects?

77

And... my stocks are down.

Damn you Barrack Obama! I demand the government buy back stocks of Fannie Mae at the previous 52 week high of $62.

78 The US hasn't suffered a terrorist attack by al Qaeda since 9/11, but we'll get at least one during Obama's term.

Speculation on target?  If you have read Joel C. Rosenberg's "Dead Heat", you should be scared shitless.

Allah-lovers, I hear the West Coast is some nice property.  Jussayin......

79 "I would not be surprised at all if Israel makes a pre-emptive strike against Iran in the next 2 months, before Bush leaves office.   I can't blame 'em, but it'd be scary."



I think it will be very soon. Their allready exchanging rocket and gunfire with Hamas in Gaza right now. Israel is so pissed right now that Obam won.

80 My biggest concern is that the MSM is going to let the Democrats lay every problem at Bush's feet.

Not going to work. by 2010 the Dems will have already controlled Congress for 4 years. They can't claim Bush vetoed everything because they never had the guts to send it to him.

81 So, the idiots who created this situation are gonna get depressed. How does that help Israel? How does that help Iraq? How does that keep my military man out of the middle of the shitstorm to come?

The idiots get free Xanax. What do the rest of us get?

82

UPDATE: One other good thing: no one will be spinning grand conspiracy theories about this administration's Vice President being an evil, conniving genius who is the true power behind the throne.

That one made me howl which is a good thing indeed on a morning such as this.

83 "Article on Huffington Post stating Palin greeted McCain staff in a towel once.

I will be in my bunk."


Scoot over, I'll be there in a minute.

84

 

63.042 Million with a heart

55.821 Million with a brain

 

85

This was my fave. When this guy stinks up the joint, we should hold their feet to the fire. The MSM elected this dood.

5. There will eventually be a press backlash against Obama which will make their treatment of Bush look mild. Partly that's going to be because Obama is going to disappoint them just as much as all his other supporters. Partly it will be the MSM desperately trying to regain its own credibility, by trying to show that they're not in his tank any longer. And because of that they are eventually going to do the reporting they should have done during this campaign, about Obama's less-than-savory friends, and about voter fraud, and about illegal fund-raising, and about a lot of other things

86

Read it, and I disagree.  Those who voted for him with stars in their eyes have deeper problems than simply being deluded.  That's why this from den Beste: "Disillusionment will turn to a feeling of betrayal. And that will, in turn, convert to anger", won't come to pass on a large scale.  People don't want to be disillusioned let alone betrayed.  They'll simply blame someone else for impeding their Obama's progress.

Guess who that'll be? Add the media into the blame game and you have demonization of conservatives once again.

87

I checked my bank accounts and ran the numbers. At my current cost of living I can easily survive four years without working.

So long, socialist America. I'll leave my bunker when it's 2012 and survey the ruins.

88 Allah-lovers, I hear the West Coast is some nice property.  Jussayin......

Actually either coast is pretty fine.  Y'all wouldn't like flyover country at all.

89 The only ball dippage I see in a Whacky Baracky presidency, is seeing how Hillary will be trying to undermine him for 4 yrs. I'm sure she's enjoying her shit sandwitch right now too.

90 25 What Steven doesn't take into account is what we will perceive as Obama's failures is what the other side will perceive as his accomplishments -- global warming taxes that cripple corporations, major increases in gas tax, bigger government entitlements, higher taxes, more dependence on entitlements, etc.

Unfortunately this is true, and sad. It will take longer for it to screw up the country bfore the realise it. Sweden just moved right,but all those entitlements are not going away, would be political suicide unless there is a crisis. My guess is if the recession gets worse, he has no chance to give up on giving away more goodies and gets voted out bfore doing anything. Plus the long term take on the Us dollar/ debt situation is not positive. Will make it hard to finance anything without raising taxes for everyone....think he will be popular then.

I agree it will be an interesting time and especialy the lefts reaction to his actions.

tangent - plus on the whole blacks being racist thing. I find that so undercovered. It's so acceptable as if it's thier coming of age...especially in the european media. It's like good black people, now u have one of yours as president. America is really the land of opportunity, and ideals ,not the great satan.

91

8 I think he's forgetting the inability of children to ever ever admit they've made a mistake.

Right on.

14 I'm sure Lenin didn't manage to meet his people's expectations, but he sure managed to keep his party in power for a while.

Heh.

I agree with most of Den Beste's analysis, but I think he is off on #5.  There will never be a press backlash against Obama.  Any criticism will be gentle and of the "he's too nice" or "he's working too much with the Republicans" variety.  They will never criticize him for being too far left, only  for not going far enough.  The media will tend to blame others, especially Republicans, for his failings.

 

92

pretty scary yet,  that's what happens when the young have to learn a hard lesson, like the ones in the 70s did w/ Carter

at least we clean the mess in 2012 if true

here's a sign of how bad under barry it could be: DOW looking BAD already

93 If Obama is shrewd and serious about a 2nd term, he will not allow the US to lose in Iraq and Afganistan. Because claiming victory over there is more beneficial to him in the long run than causing defeat to placate his leftist base.

Obama is going to learn like all idealists, he will have to make compromises and realize this job is much harder than it actually is.

94 Fox News has gone off the deep end. They should have stayed with Pelosi's Q&A to show what a tool she is.  Now, even MSNBC is leaving the coverage to protect her.

95 Responsibility isn't specific to anything. Everyone wants everything to be responsible. You might as well say the root value of conservatism is 'good stuff'. And of course we oppose the 'bad stuff'.

If you add the word "personal" in front or "responsibility" you're starting to get into conservatism.

96 Re: #75  Thanks Phinn.

Economic Liberty and Free Markets could theoretically be rolled into one term.  I think the goal here should be to work these down and basic as possible, so it's easy to get the public to remember it, and use it as a rallying cry against the coming socialist disaster.

Now if only more people would weigh in on the issue...

97

And the people who fell for the demagoguery will learn an invaluable lesson. (Steven Den Beste)

My post-election prediction: No, they won't.

98 I've decided that I was wrong about something:

Affirmative Action.

It worked. I want to concede to all the AA proponents I've argued with over the years. You were right, and I was wrong. And I am gratified to see that it succeeded so spectacularly, and in such a short period of time.

So... now that it has nothing left to accomplish, it'll be dismantled, right?

99 First, since I am a city dweller, I had to look up "a pig and a poke." Sounded like bestiality. Definition I found was "a blind bargain; something bought or bargained for, without the quality or the value being known." Yep.

Second. Right now Bobby Jindal is my front runner. A very sober appearing competent gentleman who articulates our position effectively.

Third. The Mossad will handle Iran.

Fourth. What about Senator Palin?

Fifth. The media. I am not sure on this. They have an enormous amount riding on a Barack Presidency and they might double down. It will be the Murdoch tools that do any reporting. If it came out too soon the media would have to admit their bias.

Sixth. When have the 60's generation ever admitted they were wrong or done what's best for this country? They will blindly move toward the position of they're college professors, who are their Mullahs.

100 But we expect responsibility in our government as well.  As conservatives, we expect the government to act responsibly with what little money we are willing to entrust them with.  So I think it's more than just personal responsibility, though that's obviously one of the largest values we hold.

101

Exactly right.  There won't be a nuclear war.  Israel will attack Iran and destroy its nuke capabilities before enough fissionable material is produced to build a warhead.  For Israel, it's a matter of national existence.

They had better hurry if that's their plan. That would be quite a greeting for a new pres

102 Another assumption being made is that liberals are going to be disillusioned with the results. What, like in other countries? Why haven't they all left?

Only the twisted few, the malcontents under socialism, come here to roll the dice. Those who remain (and that's over 300 million in Europe) are fine with it. My girlfriend- with her progressive high school and progressive college education- WANTS socialism. Might be a female thing magnifying the progressive urge, but she wants the security of equality of outcome, regardless of the level of that outcome. Equality of opportunity scares her to death. She does not want her life to be better so much as she wants other people's lives to be no better than hers.

103 Why of course.

Like ACORN finding mortgages for unqualified home buyers, President Obama has written a huge check that will inevitably bounce.

Anyone familiar with Deval Patrick knows that even within his own party, there are factions with differing priorities, differing agendas, and differing power bases.

104 "63.042 Million with a heart  that can fog a mirror

55.821 Million with a brain."

 

105 I'm thinking the least-worst scenario might be a... one-sided pre-emptive nuclear war by Israel.  Which would be pretty awful itself, but would have the advantage of not leading to the destruction of Israel.

That's what I'm thinking too, suedenim, and probably what Steven has in mind. When it comes right down to it no one wants Iran to have nukes. I think the reaction of other middle eastern countries would be a louder version of what we hear when Israel conduct conventional strikes: Public outrage, but private relief that someone had the guts and the means to intervene.

Besides, if Israel doesn't do anything to stop Iran I think there's a pretty good chance that someone else, like Russia, will do something and then let it be blamed on Israel, anyway. So why not act? Better hanged for a sheep than a lamb, and all that.

106

"And four years from now they'll be older and much wiser."

No, they;ll just be four years older and just as fucking stupid.  America, on the other hand, will be weaker.

107

Den Beste fails to factor into his optimism the “rules change” resulting from The One's imminent Supreme Court nominations. De Beste assumes that our new King’s reign will be tempered by Constitutional limitations. We know, however, that several Justices will be “persuaded” to retire soon and will be replaced by Justices that promote “fairness and equality” (read: unlimited federal power). At that point, De Beste’s analysis falls flat.

Stated concisely: Den Beste assumes that The One will be subject to the same rules as his predecessors; he fails to understand that The One intends to re-write the rules.    

108

Okay good, in response to some's post above: not the obscure sounding "MSM," but BIG NEWS it is.

Let's drop BIG NEWS flat, in all its forms.

 

109 Go Palin she is the future of conservativism, I am optimistic today. Today the shackels are off no more PC I will fight for what I believe in and I will match those liberals instead of sitting and listening. I urge all of to do the same and fight loudly you will not be let down people will back you if you stand for values and principles. Now is the time join the NRA if you value sec amendment. Fight for Palin she gets it.

110

And also, it appears Hispanics broke overwhelmingly for Obama.

Hispandering = win. Please import more impoverished socialist voters with no longterm job prospects and a history of greviance against the US.

111 So when do the free gas and mortgage payments start to flow?

112 What about a t=shirt that says "The loyal Opposition" and on the back 55.821 million strong?

113 When McCain railed about going after "earmarks" and having a freeze on spending and then he turned around and voted in the ballout bill, that is the moment when he lost the election. 

Interestingly enough, during the Bush years democrats have become enormously wealthy and republicans have lost some of their wealth.  they used their enormous wealth to buy the presidency and they didn't seem to have a conscience that they were doing that.

I also will never trust the media again.  Am wondering how may Americans feel that way.  Without a free media, without freedom of the press, it is just a matter of time before our democratic republic is a total mess.

114 I f you have not canceled IMMEDIATELY all subscriptions to liberal newspapers and magazines THEN KISS MY ASS.


Let's roll.

115 And four years from now they'll be older and much wiser.

What about me, now?

116 Always look for a silver lining
http://tinyurl.com/5bfcpv

117

think about it, if O unfortunately dies the gaffemaster is the 45th president

rush is destroying the "congratulate obama" crap the blogs are spreading

118

When McCain railed about going after "earmarks" and having a freeze on spending and then he turned around and voted in the ballout bill, that is the moment when he lost the election. 

i agree, add the financial crisis too, i guess we were all in denial after that

119 Race cards will be played and Bush will be blamed for the next eight years.  Who are we kidding if we think there will be a media backlash?  Show me a Dem that's been criticized in the media lately.  We got eight years of shit sandwich to eat so every Conservative should step up and take a bite.  Enjoy!

120 Yes, we survived 4 years of Carter, but we are still suffering the aftermath. The Iran he helped create will have nukes in 6 months. The Afghanistan he allowed the Soviets to invade led inevitably to the Taliban and the Al Qaeda 9/11 attacks. The mortgage quota system first brought to life by the Carter administration led inevitably to the current collapse of the banking system we are suffering now. These are not things to brush off lightly.

This time it will be worse. Obama will give Iran a green light to attack Israel, and will abandon our closest ally in the mideast. Israel will not stop at the border of Iran when they retaliate either, and these things have a way of spiraling out of control. Not reversible.

Taiwan will be wiped off the map by China. Russia will swallow up all its former satellite states. Colombia will be wiped out by Chavez and his brutes. Europe will continue to disintegrate into a shariah mullacracy. Not reversible.

And back at home, the Marxist way of doing things will put a permanent bureacracy in place to nationalize the medical industry, the power industry, and any other industry that matters. Not reversible.

The unions will go whole-hog with card-check, giving the Mafia power it hadn't seen in decades. Try undoing that one.

I would not be shocked to learn that Obama gives secrets to our enemies directly. He hates this country and now that he will have our most classified top secrets, I doubt he would hesitate to share them with Castro, Chavez, Ahm-a-dinnerjacket, and all the rest. That's just who he is.

No, this is much worse that Carter. The world is a lot more dangerous than it was in the 70s. And there is no Reagan to come riding to the rescue. And the voters have lost their sense of right and wrong.

Sorry if I can't see the silver lining on the toilet.

121 NOT ALL THE VOTES ARE IN YET!!! You're all falling for the MSM tricks - they want us to think that Obama has this thing wrapped up!! Don't give up hope yet! Everyone was so sure of a McCain win just a couple days ago- don't give up so easily!

122 57 "We've got 4 years to find our next Reagan. Any suggestions?"


Eric Cantor. And yes he is a Joo.

123 Biden = Asassination insurance

124 Hey so how do y'all think Ace will come at us today?

Will he be a positive Ace, or a "fuck the GOP and the horse they rode in on" Ace?

125

"Obama is a racist, commie, lying, scumbag, douchebag."

Why, you guys aren't like that at all...

 

126 So I take it the jew Eric Cantor won?

127 Let me be the first to congratulate Supreme Court Justice Hillary Clinton.

128 I'm not sure about the comparisons with Carter.  Both he and Obama are arrogant, egotistical, narcissistic and lack any trace of a sense of humor...but I don't think Carter actively hated America.  And I don't think he would have resorted to massive voter fraud or illegal contributions to ensure his election.  I don't think he had a Rev. Wright or Bill Ayers in his background.   Carter has become pretty disgusting in later years but I don't think he was ever as bad as Obama.

129 Don't rest things on Obama governing from the center - HE and the Media both read this as a mandate for "change" whatever that ends up being.

130

The MSM will not turn on Obama.  They are 100% invested in this guy.  They will assist him at every turn.

Obama will repay them with a financial bailout to the LA Times and the NY Times as well as a few other big papers.

The MSM is more in love with Obama than they were with Clinton.

They covered for Clinton for the following: Waco Masacre, Somalia, Ruby Ridge, Elian Gonzales, USS Cole, Kenya and Tanzania Embassy bombings, WTC bombing, the Aspirin factory strike, nuclear secrets to China, missile technology to China......

131 What is with you people!? OBAMA HAS NOT BEEN ELECTED YET!

132 As I've posted many many times, BO is not black.  He is not white either.  He is a mixture and he represents both white and black Americans.  I know black Americans, because of outward appearance want to have him considered just black but the fact remains that biologically the man is 50% white.  I also said there would be no bradley effect because I don't see this country as a racist country and it really bothers me that others, particularly the media, see the country as racist.

133

Sorry if I can't see the silver lining on the toilet.

That gives me a great idea.  Someone should make toilet seats that are the Obama seal.  Which of us wouldn't want to crap through that?

134 I think Ruby Ridge happened when the other Bush was prez.

135

Hispandering = win. Please import more impoverished socialist voters with no longterm job prospects and a history of greviance against the US.

I was listening to Medved get unhinged about this on the radio last night.  "Why oh why are Hispanics breaking so hard for Obama?  What about all the amnesty and entitlement goodies we were going to give you on the back of whitey?  Where the love at?"

Apparently, as it turns out, throwing all of your principles out the window to placate a bunch of barely literate menial laborers rooted in kleptocratic socialism and ethnic supremacism -- i.e. a natural Democrat constituency -- isn't a good trade for Republicans.

Who knew, Mike?  Who knew?

Don't you just feel warm and fuzzy for ceaselessly denigrating your audience as nativist xenophobic bigots for an entire summer?  How my ass taste now?

136 Is it too early to start making bumper stickers like this:

"Somewhere in Chicago a community is missing their organizer".

"Lunch with Bill Ayers.......72.00
 Room Service with Michelle.....275.00
 Voter Fraud with Acorn....800,000
 Presidency..........Just under a BILLION DOLLARS
 Christmas with the Arabs....Priceless"

137 And besides ignoring the Supreme Court nominations (although it could be argued that only the living constitution libs will be retiring, so 0's appointments will be a wash), Mr. Den Beste is also assuming no illegal alien amnesty in any form will be made with this more liberal Congress and RINO acquiescence (whether from pro-business and/or courting the new bloc's votes reasoning or from fear of being called 'racist').

138

Obama will repay them with a financial bailout to the LA Times and the NY Times as well as a few other big papers.

Obama won't have to bail them out!  Once he shuts down all conservative media outlets on TV, radio and internet then people will have to turn to MSM for their news and opinions.  That's the payback!

139

Everybody stop panicking! Don't you all remember the Jimmy Carter years? I was just a punk kid then and I remember them (although my real punk rocker phase came in in the 1980's). The deck was even more stacked against us patriots then.

Domestically: The military was held in much more widespread contempt. The Left's stranglehold on the Media was even more pervasive then. Economically, the nation had *wage and price controls* in place--something unthinkable except for the commie-est of Commiecrats today. No talk radio and no bloggers, just the bias of the Three Networks.

It was a much more child and family hostile society then. When kids like me were depicted on TV and in the movies, we were depicted as possessed by Satan, for goodness sake, when we were not delinquents or proto adults a la Gary Coleman. And believe me, they didn't call it "politically correct" Leftist indoctrination then, but it was in the school system then too. Good god, it was a musical age of first androgynous glam and then Roller Disco, and you could only play so much AC/DC and Lynrd Skynrd in response to that. It was a time of gays coming out of the closet, and most of my peers watching their parents divorce, a good many of them even watching their parents become "swingers".

Domestic Politics? We had half-hearted Republican opposition a la Gerald Ford, going along to get along, many playing along with the farce of detente, some (like Nixon) even imposing governmental edicts like Affirmative Racism and Wage and Price Controls.

Internationally? The Soviet Empire was much more menacing and much more sophisticated than the primitive Moon-God Murderers we face today. The ChiCom rulers really were ChiComs, rather than the crypto-fascists (private enterprise under state control) that they have morphed into today.

Why do I bring all this up? Because if you look at what we know about the Obamunist policies, it looks like the Carter Era all over again. Generation Y was not even born in the Carter era, and they are starting to vote naively for "hope and change". They will learn the hard way. What are we up against, Jimmy Carter in ethnic face:

--"Windfall profits" taxes on corporations. There are not enough "Super Rich" individuals to go around, so his taxes on those who earn over x dollars will fall on corporations. When anyone with half a brain knows that taxing corporations is foolhardy, they are already taxed at the shareholder level, and they just pass the costs on to everyone in higher prices when they can, or pack it up and leave the nation when they can't.

--More failed welfare statism

--More failed appeasement abroad (DISCLAIMER: yes, those of you who are active duty can disregard this part of the pep talk; you may be in for some real hard times)

--Even the race-baiting is nothing new. I vividly remember Rosalyn Carter's smear that Uncle Ron Reagan "made us comfortable with our prejudices". Jesse Jackson was treated with the utmost of deference and respect, as opposed to the baby abandoning conman and corporate shakedown artist, and racist hypocrite we all know he is today.

I predict the same revolting results, and a Resurgent Roots Republican Revolt in 2010 and 2012. If we get back to our roots, that is.

Let's face it, a good many of our Republicans turned out to be duds. Wide stances in bathrooms, bridges to nowhere and kickbacks to homebuilder donors, amnesty for that sweet and cheap chiquita maid -- ALL of that hurt a good many Republicans and revealed that too many of our own were out of touch. (Yes, Wall Street Journal open border greedheads, that means you)

Yes, 2009-2010 will be a rough ride, but probably no more rough than 1993-1994, and certainly less rough than 1977-1980.

At least, that is what I am telling myself. :-)

140

The MSM will not turn on Obama.  They are 100% invested in this guy.  They will assist him at every turn.

if they feel he betrayed them the way they felt w/ Carter they just might, buyer's remorse is a powerful thing

What is with you people!? OBAMA HAS NOT BEEN ELECTED YET!

shut. the. fuck. up.

141 Three great quotes at Baseball crank.

1)"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong."
~Winston Churchill

2)"We'll have a target-rich environment to work with as the kind of urban machine politics the Democrats have made famous comes to the White House, and we'll have fun doing it."

3)Winston Churchill was a great believer in democracy as the least-worst system of government, but he's also the guy who once said that the best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

142

  Some of his predictions matched mine from talking to co-workers this morning. Here is my list.

  Recession - Major economic downturn as the Dems open up the goodie bag and increase taxes. We very well could see a return to a Carter economy.

  Enemies List - Obama has already shown a penchant for going after his critics. See his letters to the DoJ. Now he will control these groups. The background digging on Joe the Plumber was just a begining.

  Scandals - The media will start doing some of the background checks on Obama they didn't do during the campaign. With no Reublicans in power they will have little choice to start looking into voter fraud, illegal campaign contributions, long term associations with terrorists and their supporters, etc. Some media already have this info and have been sitting on it. This could cripple his admin and help reduce the amout of damage. Likely also see interference with ongoing investigations about his friends and companions.

  Illegal Aliens - 'Immigration Reform' passes giving amnesty to illegals in the country. The 12 million illegals will become 20 million given amnest. This could be block by the Republicans in the Senate with a fillibuster.

  Courts - A couple resignations from the courts from liberal justices will be replaced by liberal justices. Conservative justices will attempt to hang on and barring unforseen death little change in the court.

  Foreign Policy - Terrorist attacks increase as America is seen as weaking for abandoning Afghanistan and Iraq. Israel will be left to fend for itself. Israel will try to make nice to the new admin and not attack Iran. Iran will develop the bomb. Nuclear arms race starts with the Saudi's pushing for parity. Terrorist group is given the bomb and it is detonated in the West Bank or Gaza. Israel retaliates opening a large scale war in the mid east. The war will not likely be in the next four years but more likely 10-20 years.

  I've seen some say the think he will govern more to the center. I doubt this. He has always been a socialist and shown no indication of working towards the center. With Pelosi's help he will try to ram thru a very socialistic agenda.

143 Seriously...where is my check?

144 Indiana tells us why we lost the election. 20+ in 2004. 3-1 counties became 55/45 counties. Our base DID NOT show up. Anyone who blames Palin is a complete idiot. It's clear to me that the vote for the bailout was the last straw for these traditional Republicans. Regardless of where one was on the bailout, it is obvious that it was a political disaster.

145 "rush is destroying the "congratulate obama" crap the blogs are spreading"


Yea, Rush is in rare form right now. I especially loved the part where he was talking about  Oblunder  giving his victory speech in Grant Park and was saying things about "sacrificing" and "giving" all of the O-bots in the crowd started looking at each other in stunned disbelief like "dood?...... WTF?........ Get to the part about the check"


Oh and by the way Rahm Emanuel? How the fuck is that change? These people fell for his schtick, hook, line and sinker. I'll be dipping my balls in their misery.


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146

even Jesus could satisfy all the expectations of Obama's most vocal supporters

Jesus would tell them that they are getting no free ride- to get out there and work for themselves.

147 Obama is going to do his very best to be s e e n as moderate. He might even 'voice' some opposition to whatever Reid, Pelosi, Frank send down the pike. Where he's going to focus his attention is 1) the courts and 2) the electoral system. While any SCOTUS noms will get a lot of attention they will be unstoppable, what will go largely unnoted will be the lower court appointments - which will set the entire court system hard to the left for generations. Similarly his reengineering of the elections system - shades of Chicago - will be systematic and very difficult to oppose or overcome once in place. The dude is all about stealth - always has been, always will be.

148 The problem is this: Obama is not dumb.  He understands that you don't "change" things with big sweeping changes.  You do it in small steps that people say, "That's not so bad."  Also, government agencies are impossible to get rid of.  If he puts through any type of government agency or health care b.s., it will be here for decades if not forever.  And God help us if abortion becomes taxpayer funded at any time.  Of course, maybe we need to see that horror in order to change it.  The 5 signs of declining civilization are: increase in sexual promiscuity, political undermining of family and social values, cultural destruction of the family unit, the killing of the innocent, and the increase in non-warfare violence.  Once these are in place the civilization has about 100 years. (From Matthew Kelly's book The Rhythm of Life).  Of course the day is darkest right before the dawn.

149
Steven Den Deste has it totally wrong.

No matter what Obama does the MSM will spin it as wonderful and the brainwashed majority sheeple will strongly agree. Unlike Carter, the press will never allow anything negative to be reported about Obama.

150 The media has to turn on him sometime.  They are combative at nature and can be nicey and cooperative for only so long. 

151

Who is this "at all costs" guy? Keep posting dude, you're funny

152 With no Reublicans in power they will have little choice to start looking into voter fraud, illegal campaign contributions, long term associations with terrorists and their supporters, etc. Some media already have this info and have been sitting on it. This could cripple his admin and help reduce the amout of damage. Likely also see interference with ongoing investigations about his friends and companions.

Totally wishful thinking.  Over the past eight years the left has built up a tremendous opposition research machine.  Does anyone think they are just going to let it fade away?  No it will continue to target anyone in opposition to Obama - including media types.  You think the media'  been craven so far?  Just wait.

153 Curmudgeon,

I agree with most of what you stated. I joined the Army when I was 17 years old, in 1979. The change in moral from Carter to Reagan was profound.

I will differ with you on this. The left realizes everything you wrote and know that this is a window of opportunity. They know the American public can be fickle. Therefore, they must act subtly and swiftly to enact irreversible change. I have no idea what that means. I hope I am wrong.

154 The media will never turn on him.  His followers will never turn on him. Ultimately it will not be PC to even criticize the guy.

155 "Regardless of where one was on the bailout, it is obvious that it was a political disaster."

Really?  What would the polls have been if worldwide markets were still tanking as they was midmonth?  McCain would have been lucky to win more than Alaska.

Don't be fucking stupid.  It was an ugly choice, and McCain failed to ameliorate it afterwards by going after the FMFM issue.

156 er, as they were

157

well, that's the *hopeful* scenario...I think Den Beste is being way way too optimistic...

does anyone really think that Obama and the Dems will cheat LESS when the next election rolls around when they'll have control of the FEC and DOJ and both houses of Congress?

this sounds hyperbolic, yes, but I truly believe we've seen the last free and fair (relatively speaking only) election in this country that we're ever going to see...period.

158 Rush getting ready to name some names, I can't wait.

159

Josh, #6: So my question is this, what are the root values of the conservative movement.

I'd say our deepest root values are reality and success.

Reality -- We first see the world for what it is, not what we'd like it to be or what we intend to transform it into. For example, when looking at the Soviet Union, we as conservatives will first examine their military strength, their stated doctrine, their treatment of their own citizens and their performance as a crappy ally during WWII. None of these are judgments or objectives or policies; they're observations. From there, we infer that they're an evil empire, and from that, that they must be discarded from the world. And finally, from that resolve, we elect the people who will draft the policies that make it happen.

Success -- We identify what works and go with it. Socially, strong traditional families tend to work, so conservatives are for strong traditional families. Economically, free enterprise works. Geopolitically, foreign aid works as an effective carrot while our strong yet flexible military works as a stick. And whatever you're looking at, security is a must. What doesn't work, whether it's relying on a financial system built on a foundation of undercapitalized banks or placing command of the Coast Guard under the Department of Transportation, gets changed. The flip side of success is failure, and as I snarkily implied in #97, conservative tend to learn our lessons from failure while progressives do not.

I hope this is the start you're looking for.

160 I'm feeling all warm and fuzzy that The World loves us again. Waiting on The World to buy me a Coke™.

161 Bloomberg set a precedent for changing term limits.  Watch BO will do the same with the presidency.  Also, when all the illegals become legal they will be greatful to the dems and they are a built in voting base for dems.  wonder if there will ever be another republican elected president again in our lifetime.

162 His predictions on what will happen in the next four years are frightening, but spot-on.

Unless it involves Obama and glory holes, I'm not interested.

163 And also, it appears Hispanics broke overwhelmingly for Obama.

Heh. Good thing Bush and McCain spent so much time pandering to them instead of keeping the base happy. Really paid big dividends.

164 Rush: "It's going to be epic. Epic"

FUCK YEAH!

We're going to toss the dead weight and reject the calls to work with the Democrats.

165 Rush Limbaugh '12

166 57 We've got 4 years to find our next Reagan. Any suggestions?

Just off the top of my head, I was really impressed with Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina, during the bailout fiasco. 

167 I respect Den Beste as a thinker. A lot. I used to read his stuff pretty regularly when he had the USS Sumthinorother website up. Can't remember now what it was called. Kinda had a Star Trek feel to it. And I think he nails quite a bit of what he speaks of in this little essay other than..........I simply can not fathom the MSM turning on him. And I can't imagine him not doing whatever it takes to keep them happy. They've marched lockstep this far. Neither can afford to abandon the yoke at this point. It may get to Baghdad Bob status where they have to literally tell us that night is day and day is night, hoping all the while that not enough people notice and those who do can be discredited as racists, but I can't see either of them breaking the bond. They both have way to much to lose. Kinda like Bill and Hill if you think about it.  

168

Hey is now the time to start hoisting black flag, and begin slitting throats??

Come on Ace give us "it's payback time thread"

169 They covered for Clinton for the following: Waco Masacre, Somalia, Ruby Ridge, Elian Gonzales, USS Cole, Kenya and Tanzania Embassy bombings, WTC bombing, the Aspirin factory strike, nuclear secrets to China, missile technology to China......


and 37 blowjobs from a fat broad.

170 DeMint was pretty cool, I agree...probably too rednecky tho....MSM will paint him as a KKK member.

171 165 Rush Limbaugh '12

I second that. He's allready has 30 million guaranteed votes.

172 It's the end of the republic as we know it--when do we get to riot???

173 Ahhh Den Beste... a better writer than I, a better thinker than I, and now, a better feeler than I.  Good on him!
The ashes of defeat, they ain't all that tasty, but it's good to be reminded that for us, our worst disappointment about this election is behind us, and those who voted in this charlatan, their disappointments all lie ahead.  And they will be profound. 

174

Obama = Baron Harkonnen

In the end, he loses because the people turned against the Harkonnens.....the same thing will happen to Obama in 4 years.  America is not a socialist country.

175

Hey is now the time to start hoisting black flag

I need a flag to hoist to replace my McCain/Palin sign.

176 I heard this on Laura today...Newt running the RNC. Love it.

177 No riots for conservatives, conservchick....We're not going to destroy property and hurt people because we're angry. 

178

America is not a socialist country

But they wanna be.  They don't yet realize the price one must pay for socialism.

179 I thought Fred Thompson was going to be running the RNC?

180

Mr Den Beste forgets that obammy and friends intend to gut our military, leaving us at the mercy of the chinese and arabs. 

He also didn't mention the Supreme Court, and the possibility of this assclown getting to replace 4 Justices, ones potentially worse than Bader-Ginsberg (if you can believe that).

And expect us to be subjected not just to world opinion, but eventually the world court.

We still have the huge governmental bureaucracies that grew out of FDR and LBJ's admins...we'll never be able to get out from under what will come from obammy.

And now I see that Rahm Emmanuel is going to be Chief of Staff...

181 See, I don't think Obama is going to be "worst since" Carter.  He's going to be worst since WARREN HARDING, who surrounded himself with the most corrupt administration that ever corrupted.  Plus a heaping helping of Carter's international incompetence on the side.

I am also very firmly not in the "congratulate Obama camp."  He won with stolen funds, caucus fraud, and voter illegalities.  Sorry, but I can't congratulate that.  I will respect the office, but never ever the man.

What made me cry actual tears last night is that this "growing up" lesson, if his followers ever freaking learn it, which I doubt, will very likely come at the cost of human lives, either here, in Israel, at the hands of abortionists, or elsewhere.

Human. Lives.  All for hope changiness and so that the MSM can keep its biased self around for a little bit longer.

But hey, you idiot Murtha re-electors out there enjoy that free tank of gas, okay?

182

I thought Fred Thompson was going to be running the RNC?

We can hope and dream. 

183 Socialism is like a version of a Pyramid scheme...it works for a little while, but eventually there is no money left to pay out because nothing is created because productive people stop producing.  One can only hope this happens quickly enough to stop Obama in 12.

184

I thought Fred Thompson was going to be running the RNC?

We can hope and dream. 

Screw him. He couldn't muster the energy to run a decent campaign. Slouched his way toward a nomination. Newt's a better choice.

And I was for Fred.

185

I am also very firmly not in the "congratulate Obama camp."  He won with stolen funds, caucus fraud, and voter illegalities.  Sorry, but I can't congratulate that.  I will respect the office, but never ever the man.

A.M.E.N.

186 Well.  That was...quite a night.  Hope everyone had a nice, long cathartic cry like I did and is ready to put on their big kid panties and stay dry all day long now.  You get an M&M if you can make it through the night.    The good news is that Obama won't be able to deliver on the unicorns and fairies he promised, nor his mathematically-impossible plans, nor his revoke-the-laws-of-physics-and-thermodynamics ones.  (No, Virginia, he is not actually made of magic.) Candidates running for the presidency always vastly overstate the power they'll have.  Yes, he will do great harm on many fronts--my tears were mostly for the unborn who will have even less of a chance of tasting life.  Take comfort that they will add to the numbers of martyrs crying out to God for justice, and God always delivers.    But Obama will not destroy this country and appoint himself king for life, good Lord.  Both candidates have been dogs chasing a car, and the one who catches it loses. How long do you reckon till there's weeping and gnashing of teeth when his young female supporters realize they won't be able to live out their childhood My Little Pony fantasies in real life? I, for one, will riot--"I was promised a Pegasus! Also, a flying car that runs on love!"    One thing I will say is that if any more of you are thinking or breathing one word about this being the "first time you're ashamed of your country," I better by God not see it.  Sarah would take anyone who says that to the woodshed, and so will I.    America is the best country there is, and I will be proud of her till the day I die.  And that day will not be because I've rolled over and chosen to die because I didn't get my way in one election cycle.    Yes, apparently America has a great big chunk of citizens whose heads are as hollow and goop-filled as a pumpkin.  Oh noes! Guess what--I've known this since the first time I cracked my eyes open and got a good look at my new surroundings.  Welcome to my world, if you're just getting that memo.  Pull up a chair, and take heart at least there's never any shortage of idiots to laugh at in between tearing your hair out.     But Obama did not win in some massive blow-out that shows America wants a far-left president.  It was close, and he won only because McCain simply could not deliver the voters that won the election for Bush in '04.  Like polls predicted, they stayed home.    They did it for a variety of reasons--the media saying Obama was inevitable, for one.  Mostly they did it because we didn't have a real conservative on the ticket--when we do again, he or she will win.  Sen. McCain gave us Sarah, and that's the only reason it was even close.  But despite being a good and honorable man, and a hero, his stances and appeals were always to the independents and soft Dems, not the base.  We don't want amnesty, we don't want the GOP to concede yet more ground to the Culture of Death (ESCR, anyone?) and we don't want someone going on and on about reaching across the aisle unless it's to poke one of those crapweasels in the eye.     You know, after Carter came Reagan.  We have a chance. Four years to NOT further trash the conservative "brand."  Four years to stomp out apathy with a giant pair of cleats.  Conservatism has not survived this long because there are enough cranky people to do the voting equivalent of shouting, "Get off my lawn!"  It's survived because, socially and fiscally, it strengthens America by strengthening families and the economy.  Liberalism will fail, like it always fails, because it is philosophically unsound.    But it will require more of us who are like Sarah, and Joe the Plumber, to stand up for our country despite the guarantee we'll be dragged through the mud.  Starting with, and most especially, local government.  I will do my part by continuing to have the most boring, scandal-free life ever, so there's absolutely nothing legitimate to be used against me if I should ever decide to run for any office.  Except for the way I dog-ear the pages of books I'm reading--that might sink me.    Stock up on weaponry, and if all else fails, we can always move to Alaska and establish a right-wing commune.  But you have to be potty-trained to join.

187

I swear that had paragraph-breaks.

 

188 If Fred and Newt took the reins together, we might be able to grow something strong and meaningful.  That would be nice.  I seriously need some hope.

189 Here's the thing, the left does not control Al Qaeda. The bubble of protectionism will be popped by reality. We can not live in a protected bubble. Gas will go back up to $4/5 a gallon and the left will think that is good because it will cause less driving.

The answers the left has for the challenges America faces always involve the middle class sacrificing for the good of all. I do not believe it will work for them. If the left moves toward the fairness doctrine we must be ready to protest en mass. This really a Chavez type response to a free press.

190

Every failed revolution in history is running through my head in a continuous loop.

Stupid rain woke me up at 6 a.m. and I immediately thought, "I can't believe Obama won." and couldn't get back to sleep.  This farce even haunts me in my dreams.

191 Next Regan (s)?  I vote Jindal and Palin.  And anybody who dislikes him solely on the basis of the "Intelligent Design" controversy can just go take a look at how this election went.  Military gutted, America socialist, and crooks in power? Not important. Let's obsess over evolution vs. intelligent design!

Ray Of Hope:  Republicans may be more disposed to fight Obama on alien amnesty and the Hush Rush Act than they would McCain.

Aw, who am I kidding.

192 #145

I agree.

I will not congratulate STIC Obama.

STIC = Street Thug In Chief

193

I certainly hope he is wrong.  I'm a conservative who voted for McCain, but I am rooting for Obama to become a great president, since if he becomes a great president, it is the best outcome for our nation.

That said, there are some additional bright spots the author didn't touch on.

1.  A dem president can try to tackle the upcoming entitlement disaster.  Republican's politically can't touch this issue.  Dems can, and hopefully Obama will (I'm not optimistic as it will call for more guts than Obama has ever demonstrated).

2.  The dems will actually be responsible for the WOT.  If Guatanamo Bay is closed, they are the ones that closed it, and they will have to answer to where those folks went if we couldn't run them thru the US penal system. 

194 Any Jews on here that know whether or not you have to be an Israeili citizen to join the IDF? I believe their gonna need all of the warm bodies they can get over there soon and I don't see an Obama admin. giving much support to them.

Since we've lost this Republic, might as well fight for another.

195 Economic Liberty and Free Markets could theoretically be rolled into one term.

Yes, they are related ideas and they overlap a lot, but they cover slightly different areas of focus. 

The term "economic liberty" is more concerned with the individual's relationship directly with the government -- e.g., taxation, regulatory control of industries, not being forced to work in one of the Obama Youth "service" brigades for no money, etc. 

The term "free markets" is more concerned with keeping the government out of the individuals' relationships with other individuals -- e.g., price-fixing, restrictive licensing schemes and other barriers to entry.

Basically, the freedom of contract and property rights.  Of course, under Obama, even talking about them will probably be considered grounds for arrest and internment in a re-education camp. 

196

of the "Intelligent Design" controversy

You know, there are many bonafide scientists who personally believe in intelligent design.  Amazingly, they are ostracised by the Main Stream Scientists.  The SAME ones who ostracise the scientists who don't support the Global Warming Cult.

197

Barnes & Noble just sent me a flyer promoting Audacity of Hope.

I will barf now

198 locus if AQ attacks us this will be a shock to the LEFT as it means they TRULY HATE us not just Bush. There is going to be some serious wake up calls to all the idealists and youth that voted for Obama over the next 4 years.

199 I seriously need some hope.

Posted by: CB at November 05, 2008 02:02 PM (9Wv2j)

DENOUNCE HIM!!

200 80 My biggest concern is that the MSM is going to let the Democrats lay every problem at Bush's feet.

Not going to work. by 2010 the Dems will have already controlled Congress for 4 years. They can't claim Bush vetoed everything because they never had the guts to send it to him.

Of course it will work.  People are stupid and have short memories.  In 2010 they'll be saying, "It took Bush 8 years to destroy this country, it'll take us more than 2 years to fix it."  With a willing media (and the Fairness Doctrine shutting out any alternative viewpoint), they can get at least 4-6 years out of blaming Bush for everything bad that happens.

201 Josh #6 "We can't do anything without reworking the party though.  Right now the more moderate among us are blaming the conservatives, while the more conservative among us are blaming the moderates.  The Ayn Rand conservatives are blaming social conservatives, and vice versa. "

This party in its present form needs to be OVER.  You're just getting in each other's way.  Make the split, and make it now, while there's historically low levels of power and influence at stake.  As long as we're spending time in the wilderness anyway, let's put it to good use!  Split into two parties, each more tightly focused on ONE specific set of goals.
1/  The "party of smaller government" needs to be a smaller party, almost by definition.  Not as small as the Libertarians and the Constitution party, but if you do this right, you should be able to absorb them.  And believe me, you need their passion more than they need your numbers.  (_{full disclosure: former Libertarian here, discount accordingly for known bias})
2/ The "party of traditional values" needs to be less compromising, and less beholden to "corporate interests," which will also require it to be smaller.  At first.  If your message resonates, especially with these morally pompous Democrites, then convert them to your thinking and capture THEIR numerical strength. 
Seriously, be two parties.  They can always team up and form coalitions and whatnot, for specific elections and on specific issues, but the Party of Lincoln just cannot go forward in its present form. 

202

Barnes & Noble just sent me a flyer promoting Audacity of Hope.

I will barf now

I may stop buying coffee at their store.  Maybe it's a good thing they didn't reply to my job application.

203 When Clinton was elected, I was all, "Well, let's give him a chance.  Maybe he won't be so bad."

Yeah, that went well.  Learned my lesson.

204

katya, you are a liar.

No scientist has published, in a peer-reviewed journal, evidence for creationism. Any scientist who "believes in intelligent design" is saying it on his or her own opinion, and not as a scientist.

205 Proposition #8 just passed in California. Heres lookin' at you open minded liberals that voted for Obama in Cali., you bunch of racist-redneck bitter homophobes that cling to your guns and religion and just want a free pay-check.

Sad news: Micheal Crichton just passed away.

206 #186... Rebekah, that was good, and funny, and I'm right there with ya.  

207 The one benefit to an Obama regime is that I get to watch creationists continue to lose battle after battle in the courts.

208

I heard this on Laura today...Newt running the RNC. Love it.

Newt's gone native. He'd probably make the central plank of the GOP agenda finding more 'conservative' ways of achieving national health care and fighting global warming.

Socialist: Punitive taxes on people who emit too much CO2

New Conservative: No, incentivized tax credits for people who emit just enough CO2. I got a buddy who runs his plant on fartgas.

Socialist: Free government health care for all

New Conservative: No, mandatory private Health Savings Accounts for all. I owe my insurance provider a favor for spotting me six grand in Tahiti last summer.

209

My ODS has only intensified since last night. There has never been a more deceptive, dishonest and destructive presidential campaign...ever!!!!

It was nothing but lies, cover-ups and personal destruction and the media is complicit.

Fuck Obama...will never be my president. Extend a hand across the aisle, my ass. It only results in a bloody stump.

Obama will turn MY country into a socialist thugocracy and I simply cannot abide by that.

It's on!!

Posted by: Fred Schwartz at November 05, 2008 12:34 PM (0XpI7)

 

DITTO, I will never surrender my convictions! I will never reach across to compromise! Kick out all the moderates and let them fend for them selves. But the real conservatives will save this country! I am ready to fight for the land that God blessed us to be born in. I AM SARA PALIN!

210

McCain in 2012!  He'll have 4 more years of experience in the Senate, will have learned his lesson, and will appeal to independent/moderates.  He's angling for a rematch and a redo on his 10pm concession speech.  Who's with me?

211 Okay, I said I didn't plan on commenting here anymore, and I lied. I feel there's one bit of unfinished business.

Other commenters at HillBuzz spoke up with their scepticism (now that the Kool-Aid drinking has subsided) and convinced me that HillBuzz is possibly for real scam. As in a fundraising scam. They sure as hell have not:
1. Said who they are
2. Said how much money they raised
3. Explained how they spent this money
4. Said who the "boots on the ground" they promised in PA and OH were
5. Showed any photos or other evidence of these boots on the ground doing anything
6. Said what they actually did
7. Answered any of these questions

I went there to compliment them early this AM. In fact, I did compliment them. And then some of their commenters questions got me to thinking.

funky chicken pestered me here for days to donate to HillBuzz because I obviously couldn't donate to anything else: While I wanted to use free speech to make my case against Barack Obama because his Marxism and terrorist ties shared the shit out of me and it will effect my country as many of you pointed out, I only wished to use speech so as not to illegally or unethically interfere with your election... or be out of pocket because I'm cheap.

I don't know who here other than funky chicken donated to HillBuzz, but one is too many if it was a scam. She's a decent person. I've grown to like her.

And the big questions... did money that should have gone to help Republicans get elected get diverted to thieves? Or were they really trying to help?

The least they can do is answer the question, don't you agree? To think... these people got publicity on Rush's show!

Either way, enjoy your day and God bless you all.

212

1.  A dem president can try to tackle the upcoming entitlement disaster.  Republican's politically can't touch this issue.  Dems can, and hopefully Obama will (I'm not optimistic as it will call for more guts than Obama has ever demonstrated).

They already said how. They will have a SS tax on all income. No limit anymore.

It won't be enough so they will raise it for everyone.

2.  The dems will actually be responsible for the WOT.  If Guatanamo Bay is closed, they are the ones that closed it, and they will have to answer to where those folks went if we couldn't run them thru the US penal system.

Answered this too. Shut Gitmo down and anyone that can't be repatriated will be given asylum in the US. No trials. Waste of time as the most they would get is time served anyway.

213

Al Franken (should he lose the recount) will head the newly formed “Department of Humor” to fend off such disillusionment.

214

Creationism is by contrast with global-warming skepticism, by the way. Quite a lot of argument goes on in scientific literature over how much CO2 is in the air, and at what point it affects the climate, and even if there is warming at all.

But by all means, katya, continue to argue for the GOP to promise to debase the meaning of "science", to corrupt the educational system, and to drive out research in the biological sciences.

215

I guess ole Gwen Ifill gets her payoff now for her Obama bible verse book....

Two bright sides to last night:

1. Michelle Bachmann for President.  She called Obama out as Anti-American, only politician with the "balls" to do so.  Perfect candidate. She won without NRCC help and with Dems pumping cash in there.

2. Filibuster is alive - GOP will end up holding on to 41-43 seats in the Senate...maybe we can hold back nationalized health care and total redistribution of wealth governing.

216 This is a good time for me to remind everyone that David Ross is a Dungeons & Dragons-playing homo and a former Ron Paul supporter.

217

Ah well, this election was a zombie movie where the zombies won.

It was fun to work with you morons.  Hope everyone hangs in there for the next 2 to 4 years.

See y'all around.

218 The small-government message simply can't compete when the many are enjoying stealing from the few.

219

THE GOOD, THE BAD & THE (REALLY) UGLY.....and the LOSERS

THE BAD is that we have been put on notice by Biden that he believes guarantees BHO will be confronted with a manufactured test to see if he has any balls.

THE (REALLY) UGLY is that our friend, Israel, will be obliterated due to Barrak "chicken shit" Obama's highly broadcast reactive stances with respect to Foreign Policy.

THE GOOD is that, shortly, very shortly, Bush will be vindicated as the country will miss the many nights since 911 they put their children to bed without worry, due only to this man's courage and the courage and sacrifices of our brave.

THE LOSERS: Every God damned Jew in this country who voted for BHO. When the MSM broadcasts the mushroom cloud over Israel, pull out a video and look at your cheering faces in Grant Park on election eve.

And to the Catholics, what can I say? I hope you go to bed every night counting the unsuccessful born alive abortions placed in closets and left to die, without mercy.

And to the "OH, I HATE WAR" crowd, well who the Hell doesn't. Only we are not so naive as you. When you try your argument of the thousands of deaths Bush caused in Irag, compare that with the millions of lives he saved in Irag while your sorry ass was safely at home protesting.

220

Let's face facts, folks.  Obama, more than any one reason, beat McCain because he swamped him in election spending by 5:1.  That combined with the MSM as attack dog against McCain and covering for Obama won the day.

Period.

 

221 TWAS THE NIGHT AFTER THE ELECTION   It was the night after the election and all across the nation, Not a creature was stirring (except for those on welfare and the middle class---BOTH full of expectation) The campaign promises and rhetoric had been placed in each speech with care, And damn, don't you know it, the adulation of the crowds had also been there!   The young voters were nestled in their beds, While visions of a Rock Star danced in their heads. And those wanting "change," not having used their thinking caps, Kicked up their heels and settled in for post-election naps.   When out of the Nation's Capitol there arose such a clatter, More than just the conservatives rose to see what was the matter. Away to Fox "Morning" News (not ABC CBS or NBC) I flew like a flash, Turned on the Cable and watched the stock market--once again--threaten to crash.   The glean in the eyes of Oprah and the tears of Jessie Jackson, Gave hidden meaning to all of the moderate political posturing  and action, And what on Washington Avenue to my wondering eye should appear, But a tricked-out Cadillac with eight questionable characters--all with a leer.   With a young charismatic driver, who filled me trauma, I knew in a moment it must be President Obama. More rapid than suicide bombers, his riders they came, And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name!   "On Pelosi! now Reid! now, Biden and Oh yes!  all my forgotten friends of the night! On Richard Daley! on Ayers! on Resko, and yes, even Rev Wright! To the top of the Senate! To the top of the House! Now Daschle away, Tom Daschle--hey! Democrats for all!"   As laundered 25 dollar contributions before the wild hurricane fly, When they meet with higher taxation, and mount to the sky. So up to the Washington and Lincoln Monuments they flew, With a tricked-out caddy full of radical socialist agenda, and President Obama too.   And then, in a twinkling, I heard in the Supreme Court, The prancing and pawing of potential judges of every liberal sort. As I heard the Fox headlines and was turning around, Into the Oval Office came President Obama with a bound.   He was dressed in Saks Fifth Ave from head to foot, But his ethics and political record was all tarnished with ashes and soot. A bundle of hollow rhetoric he had flung on his back, And he looked like a campaign-promise peddler, just opening his pack.   His eyes--how they twinkled! His dimples how merry! His charisma was like roses, his oratory like a cherry! His shortness of stature was smug as a bow, And the depth of his arrogance; finally out for all to know.   The stuff America had been "smokin" he held in his teeth, And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath. With devilish grin and a newly-patriotic First Lady by his side, He knew that the voters had been taken for a ride.   He had taken illegal campaign contributions, given millions to voter fraud, It was certainly no wonder that extremists like Ayers would happen to laud! But that winning smile and a twist of his head, Once again he assured the masses they had NOTHING to dread!   He spoke no more lofty speeches, but went straight to his work, and filled American with hand outs, and then turned with a jerk. And laying his finger aside of his nose, And giving a nod, up to change the State of the Union he rose!   He sprang to his Commander in Chief role, gave his congressional majority a whistle, and away from Iraq, America's Finest flew like the down of a thistle. But I heard him exclaim, as he continued to legislate, Welcome to my world, and the next four years--you'll soon learn to hate.     - THE END  

222

Christoph, I for one thank you for supporting Allah's write to post, you know, facts against the happy-talk brigades who were insulting you in here.

223

Yeah, miracle worker. I have a dead spot on my lawn won't grow. My lawn is technically "on the planet."

You've been elected. Good grief super-fly black commie jesus...Heal the godamn planet already!

Socialize me up one of them mortgage miracles to boot too.

And supersize it.

I wanna car that runs on government cheese.

Chop! Chop! 

224 "And back at home, the Marxist way of doing things will put a permanent bureacracy in place to nationalize the medical industry, the power industry, and any other industry that matters. Not reversible." This is important. THERE IS NO PENDULUM. When the liberal institutions are created, they create their own constituencies. Case in point: do we still have the silly and useless Dept of Education, despite 4 Republican presidential terms and, at times, big majorities? Irreversible.

225

"Liberals still sliming Palin. Article on Huffington Post stating Palin greeted McCain staff in a towel once. I hate them. I hate Gutterball"

 

 

Pics?.

226 I can tell you why the rats jumped ship. They were moles within the party. They were the source of leaks and the reason our figurative blades were dull. The term compassionate conservatives is redundant because conservative doctrine is itself compassionate. It teaches man to fend for himself and not to be a burden on his fellow man. Conservatives fear government and understand the bigger the government the bigger the threat.

When the compassionate liberals in the Soviet Union saw their people in soup lines they spent money on the military and on exporting their success to the U.S. I am saying capitalism is better for the poor than collectivism. Stop apologizing for believing the truth.

227 Michelle Bachmann for President.

Here! Here!

Bachman deserves the MVP Of The Election award, at least.

228 Thanks, David Ross, that means a lot. From the bottom of my heart you're one of the people here I respect the most, if not the most.

I realize I can be an asshole. But I have always tried to be honest and I have always been an ally of the principles that make America great.

229 Bart @ 25 "the other side will perceive as his accomplishments -- global warming taxes that cripple corporations, major increases in gas tax, bigger government entitlements, higher taxes, more dependence on entitlements, etc."

That perception will be a source of great joy to them, for about the first ten minutes:
Global warming taxes that cripple corporations and make electricity first unaffordable, then scarce. 
Major increases in gas taxes that make commuting difficult and recreational travel unaffordable. 
Bigger government entitlements that dis-incentivize employment across the board.
Higher taxes that make everything less affordable for everybody.
More dependence on entitlements ... okay, they actually WILL like that part.

230

Ohnoes,

I cant believe a fucking McCain staffer leaked that shit.

Bastards on his staff should be blackballed, forever.

I was on the inside for awhile on the MCCain campaign and they were useless douchebags only looking out for themselves and their fucking "turf", not giving a damn about actual hard work.

Bastards.

231 any thoughts on how long it will take McCain to return to maverickness and screw his fellow Republicans to be seen as bipartisan?  we can expect him to soon return as the media favorite, good enough to stick it to us on filibuster issues.

232 Christoph,

I am asking myself the same question. My paypal statement came back today showing the Hillbuzz donation. Sort of piling on. Who are these people? Ace, can you enlighten us?

233

@31 "There are two things that scare me.  And one of them is nuclear war.  The other thing that scares me?  Carnies.  Circus folk.  Nomads, you know.  Very small hands.  They smell like cabbage."

Sorry, I couldn't resist injecting some Austin Powers into the mix.


ROFL, thanks I needed that.

234

From Den Beste:

"Good intentions do not guarantee good results."

Who the f thinks Barry the anti-American $hithead has good intentions?

235 Of course it will work.  People are stupid and have short memories.  In 2010 they'll be saying, "It took Bush 8 years to destroy this country, it'll take us more than 2 years to fix it."  With a willing media (and the Fairness Doctrine shutting out any alternative viewpoint), they can get at least 4-6 years out of blaming Bush for everything bad that happens.

Didn't work in 94 and it won't work now. It works when a repub is President because Repubs are generally hands off if they can be. The Dems aren't, each fuckup translates into bad shit within months. Especially in economics. Obama won't have the ability to drastically change welfare, an internet bubble and a republican congress to take the blame for cuts like Clinton did. The Dems are likely to deliver a budget next year which cuts defense spending by 15% on top of what is saved ending Iraq and still have a trillion dollar SINGLE year budget deficit after all their damn bailouts and giveaways.

236

A very good synopsis of this election. I think that it is wise for us to show the electorate how an adult faces adversity vice how the democrats faced 2000/2004. 

I don't think the media will ever admit their bias and with the "Fairness Doctrine" return that will allow them an escape clause for justification.

We are looking at a bad couple of years but, withoout the supermajority we can control the damage, if we can control our RINO's.

Never surrender, never give u the fight.

237 Roy @ 30 "I expect his smile to disappear, and him to get back to chain smoking PDQ.  Get ready for change Barack."

A silver lining!  If "Big News" (*) stays in the tank long enough, smoking could become cool again!  That's good for me, because after 18-year-but-who's-counting of being tobacco free, I'm DAMN WELL ready for a cigarette today.

(Thanks, profligatewaste !)

238

There's rumours flying around that it was Romney moles who were leaking "Palin is a nutcase", "Palin is a diva" to the press.

Romney's political interest for 2012 lay within a Palin flameout; which would put him on the ticket before the election or in the Veep spot 2009-11. Romney worked hard for a McCain win but didn't want Palin to get the credit.

Romney's personal interest was a grudge against Huckabee.

239 Oh how I miss the days of the USS Clueless.  Steven was, and probably will always be, one of the most gifted writers to have graced the blogosphere (no disrespect to our host).  His archives are still "Must Reads" and will continue to be so on in to the future.  It is so refreshing to hear his voice in such troubled times. 

Steven has been right more than he has been wrong.  In some ways I hope he is right about the coming 4 years.  But for Israel's sake I hope he is wrong.

240

Obama = Baron Harkonnen

Sorry, but no.

Barney Frank = Baron Harkonnen

Obama is more like the Emperor.

241 Christoph,

I am asking myself the same question. My paypal statement came back today showing the Hillbuzz donation. Sort of piling on. Who are these people? Ace, can you enlighten us?

Posted by: locus ceruleus at November 05, 2008 02:26 PM (e2mBS)

It might be a big story, is my thinking.

Who knows how much they raised (that should have gone to help the GOP)? Who knows how much intelligence they gleaned through tips and who they may have shared it with? More probably, who knows how much GOP supporter-time they wasted?

Further... I believe the GOP Kool-Aid drinking was a strategic error. I was NOT a pessimist. I was one of those people (strangely enough, funky chicken was another) vigorously arguing Ace should support the McCain-Palin ticket and fight hard. Because the stakes were worth it even if the ticket wasn't ideal.

I don't belong to your country and to no real effect, I still felt motivated to "fight" in my own way for over two weeks full time night and day.

HillBuzz's participation or fraud as the case may be probably wouldn't have made a difference as Ace's take-down of McCain shows us (but they did outperform the generic GOP vote totals). However, these HillBuzz people were setting A LOT of the GOP agenda and the supposed PUMA agenda, and who they fuck are they?

Food for thought, friends if not allies.

242

Romney's personal interest was a grudge against Huckabee.

Huckabee's personal interest was a grudge against  Romney

There I fixed that for you David

243

On the desk of every republican should be a plack that says "How can I hurt the Democrats today".

It took them 8 years of constant attacks to win the highest office, six to get Congress. We're gonna have to start now, keeping in mind that the media is totally hostile to our beliefs. If we want to have a hope in 2010. To say nothing of 2012.

244 More good news.  Pelosi can't wait until January to start raiding the kitty.  She wants a special session to begin giving government goodies away.  YAY!!

Kind of like here in MD where O'Malley couldn't wait until the legislature was in session to raise taxes.  Worked out great, now we're facing more "budget cuts"  yeah right.

245

They covered for Clinton for the following: Waco Masacre, Somalia, Ruby Ridge, Elian Gonzales, USS Cole, Kenya and Tanzania Embassy bombings, WTC bombing, the Aspirin factory strike, nuclear secrets to China, missile technology to China......and 37 blowjobs from a fat broad.

Don't forget that Clinton had several chances to either take custody or take out Osama bin Laden and refused to act.  The media proclaimed that Clinton's hands were tied and he couldn't legally take custody or kill OBL!

246

Curmudgeon:

Funny....maybe you're right....Baron Barney....

Either way, they lose in the end/.

247 "I'm sure Lenin didn't manage to meet his people's expectations, but he sure managed to keep his party in power for a while."

Bingo.

248 And I'm not an America wanabee either. America is my third favourite country.



I love you guys.

249 to corrupt the educational system...

Like it could get fucking worse.

250

There will eventually be a press backlash against Obama

If so, I think it will be weak. They will have the soft bias of low expectations of him. It will be like NOW and other women's groups being quiet about Clinton's women troubles. They will happily shut up to see their pet policies enacted.

251 When was there a backlash against Clinton?

They're STILL covering for him.

252

spypeach, a better (and less accusatory) fix might be, "Romney's supporters inside the McCain campaign had a grudge against Huckabee, and his evangelical Protestant base which switched to Palin"...

...so, what did Mitt know about the sexist anti-Palin leaks, and when did he know it...

253 A caller on Rush said this, but I thought of it last night and said as much to my dad. Obama's managed to do what Kruschev was trying to do. He's brought Communism to America. Looking over the last years since Reagan, especially Bush's expansion of government, I wonder if Reagan won the battle of the Cold War, but ultimately lost the war. Socialism hasn't stopped. It's been slowly creeping and Bush is one of those to help it along.

I'm over the win. I'm just going to cling to my guns and hold it out. I was going to apply to higher paying jobs next year, but what's the point if he's going to tax me for making more?

254

If McCain had won, liberals could still take comfort in the fact that they controlled:

Congress
The courts
The media
Hollywood
TV
Grade schools
High schools
Almost all universities

What else is there?

Homeschooling and churches. Well, not every church, obviously.

255 "I'm sure Lenin didn't manage to meet his people's expectations, but he sure managed to keep his party in power for a while."

Bingo.

I'm glad you said that, RayJ, because I posted it under an alias. Mostly because I knew some of the regulars would shit all over me if the uppity opinionated Canadian said it, and partly because of my, "Fuck you guys," hissy fit yesterday... prompted by the regulars who shit all over me when they can't carry their points decisively.

Or just because they're xenophobes intimidated or otherwise put-off by Canadians of all people.

God I'm loving being able to speak my mind this morning. I feel good for the the first time since wanting to vomit or hit things last night.

Anyway, hate on me all you want. I can take it. But check out the HillBuzz story, "Ye who be men of valour."

Love Monty Python. Like most of the British tradition including Canadian culture, it rocks.

256

It wasn't just Romney trannsplants in the McCain campaign leaking against Palin, McCain's old liners did some as well. Sad, but true.

Screw all of those politico douchebags.

257 Hugo Cavez just gave a speech congratulating Obama, and "racist America for bringing Marxist South American style change to our doorstep".

I actually agree with him on the "doorstep" thing.

258

Christof, buddy, you do reaslize that Obama is almost a carbon copy of Pierre Trudeau?

Trudeau campaigned on hope and change with hidden socialism backing it up. Trudeau was a complete failure as an executive, yet somehow held onto power for decades based on a compliant media and playing the rich v. poor and english v. french (just like black v. white here) cards........

Obama will follow that plan to a T, with simliar results....

259 As many were saying on the threads last night, the conservatives (the real ones, not RINOs) need to figure out how to break the liberal strongholds. That means the media and education. How do we do that? I honestly had no idea. We have talk radio, but with the Fairness Doctrine we can kiss that good bye. How do you break union holds on education? And how do you convince "journalists", 95% of whom are liberals, to report fair and balanced like they're supposed to?

Silver lining? Hopefully less BDS. So tired of 8 years of it. Maybe the liberals can eat each other since they have complete power.

260 > And four years from now they'll be older and much wiser.

4 years? It took 6 years to impeach Clinton. Can we impeach BO before the 2010 elections? Yes We Can!

261 "you have nothing to fear from Senator Obama"

- John McCain from the debate

I. will. never. forgive. this.

you played your "honorable Senator" card , Obama played his race card.

The stakes were the future of America and my children.

Damn you both to hell.

262 @257 Someone should tell Chavez we're not racist anymore. We elected a black man. That means racism is dead in America.

I'm waiting for Europe to step up and do the same.

*crickets*

263 YRM @ 92 " that's what happens when the young have to learn a hard lesson, like the ones in the 70s did w/ Carter"

Tell me about it.  I voted for that jackass, and spent four years being proved wrong about everything.  E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G.  By 1980, I was ready to vote for Ron Paul, and did so, because Ron Reagan wasn't conservative enough! 
Fortunately, my R.P. vote was less successful than my J.C. vote, but still...

264 What about the rezko stuff that came out yesterday? Looks like they already have their sights on Obama?

265 geoff, I see the relationship between Obama and Trudeau and, honestly, I was thinking about that last night.

Trudeau did some stupid things as a kid like allegedly driving around Quebec wearing a Nazi uniform in his motorcycle. (No he wasn't a committed hardcore Nazi, think more of a jackoff like Prince Harry... who later redeemed himself admirably.)

Pierre Trudeau less admirably. He governed as a socialist and "fucked up Canada" as they say. However, he DID stand strong against separatist terrorists when a government ministers were kidnapped (later killed) and he used the army effectively.

Our troops were pointed the right way against the Soviets.

My hope is Obama governs something like Trudeau.

However, I don't believe it. I think he has a tremendously dangerous personality. Far worse aims than Trudeau, and at least as competent. Underestimate at your peril.

266

Interesting ancedote from Georgia:

Turnout below 2004, and the dems are trying to blame GA SOS Karen Handel for surpression.........unbelieveable.

Tip:  Karen Handel will use the national attention to build her name recognition, and become Governor of Georgia in 2010.

267 "the conservatives (the real ones, not RINOs) need to figure out how to break the liberal strongholds. That means the media and education. How do we do that?"

Well, for one thing business and medicine and finance should soon be a lot less lucrative...

268 How to fight back? If you have kids, HOMESCHOOL THEM! Forget about the stereotypes. If you are conservative and you want your kids to be as well, you're not going to get that by sending them to the indoctrination centers for 8+ hours a day.

I know a girl who was all hyped up about Bush in 2004, when she was a high school freshman. Now she's a college freshman and the biggest O-bot you ever saw. That's what public school does.

269

This has been floating around:

Dear Employees:
 
As a business owner who employs 12 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that Barack Obama will be our next president, and that my taxes and fees will go up in a BIG way.    To compensate for these increases, I figure that the Customer will have to see an increase in my fees to them of about 8-10%. I will also have to lay off 4 of my employees.

This really bothered me as I believe we are family here and didn't know how to choose who will have to go. So, this is what I did.    I strolled thru the parking lot and found six Obama bumper stickers on my employees cars. I have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off. I can't think of another fair way to approach this problem.

 

270 Farmer Joe @ 98 "So... now that it [affirmative discrimination] has nothing left to accomplish, it'll be dismantled, right?"

Of course it will, just like the March of Dimes went out of business after polio was cured.

271 #261

True dat.  McCain never ever communicated the true threat Obama posed.  Even the gangbusters selection of Sarah Palin couldn't compensate for that.

Hey, I just thought of another silver lining!  Now Hillary probably won't run for President and put us through that again!

... Oh, but probably because she'll be Chief Justice of the Supreme Court or some such *&#%.  Crap.

272

the conservatives (the real ones, not RINOs) need to figure out how to break the liberal strongholds. That means the media and education. How do we do that?

Education is changing, IMHO. With homeschooling and distance learning, there are more options out there and I think the market will continue to expand.

273

Chris,

Trudeau definitely fucked up Canada, same way Obama will fuck up America if he gets more than one term.  The missing analysis on this thread is 1st term v. 2nd term Obama.

1st term Obama is focused on 2012.  2nd Term obama is focused on "fundamentally" changing America to a French Revolution inspired egalitarianism, replacing US Revolution inspired individual liberty.

Sad but true.

274

Why can't true conservatives start a 527 called "Right Now."  Its main goal would be to put ads on TV, radio, etc., that spell out what bills are now in Congress, and inform people that, if they disagree, they can speak up.  Then give them all of the e-mails, fax #, phone # they need to do just that. Just facts, not talking points.

Getting people to THINK is how we win.  We change minds, we change the world.

275

CJ that is hysterical.

Is firing based on political affiliation a hate crime?

276

On the desk of every republican should be a plack that says "How can I hurt the Democrats today".

How about: "What can I do to make Americans vote FOR us instead of AGAINST some dope?"

Good ideas hurt Democrats. See: Revolution, The 1994 GOP

277 The author makes the assumption that the ignorant legions are going to perceive, or even be aware of Obummers and the Dem congress'es failures. Why does he think the media is going to turn on their creation? They now have total dependence on each other. I think the relationship will grow even closer.

278 Is firing based on political affiliation a hate crime?

Depends on who got fired.

279

Of course it will, just like the March of Dimes went out of business after polio was cured.

Hah!

Polio wasn't cured though, was it? I think we just quarantined it to 3rd world shitholes.

280

ConMom - My brother went from being a libertarian / conservative in (private Episcopalian) Junior High, to being a New York Times "centrist" during (also private Episcopalian) High, to being a washed-out Zizek-reading fascist after College. So it's not just the public school system; it's also the elite schools and the mainline Protestant churches.

Shoulda sent him to Jesuit....

281

"That means Racism is dead in America"

Where did you hear/see that? Great news find, so does that mean no more Jackson, no more Sharpton, no more OBAMA?

282

Living Free:

That's a great idea - we should do it, right here, Ace HQ.

"Right Now is a Section 527 organization not affiliated with any political party or candidate for any office, federal state or local."

283

Next Reagan? Mike Pence. He was re-elected to Congress by a wide margin even in this now blue state. He has the courage and convictions.

I'd like to see a Pence and Steele ticket.

284 YOu all seem to forget that people are happy to be "sacrificing"...finally.  The bush taxes expire in a year.  Obama will simply say that it is needed to pay off the debt we have incurred. 

No one will cry about it because they will be doing their patriotic duty. 

He will raise SS and Medicare and Medicaid taxes to pay for his "no children without insurance" plan.  No one will cry because they are either the elderly who are worried about their SS and Medicare going away or they are people with children who would like to not have to pay so much money to get health insurance for them.

What they will cry about is if there are no jobs.  What they will cry about is the price of heating and cooling their homes.  But, they will lay neither at Obama's feet.  Job losses will be Bush's fault and heating and cooling costs will be laid at the feet of the utilities even while congressional actions are the base cause.

Forget it.  obama will have a second term based on "not being able to accomplish everything under one term".  He already told the people that in his speech.  Unless something horrendous happens in the next four, you've got Obama for eight.

Even a terrorist attack will not damage Obama anymore than it did Bush.  a sitting president is hardly ever blamed for the horrors and usually gets an unheralded plus sign for simply being president and keeping the country from collapsing.

285 @269

Really good idea. Would this be discrimination?

286 @ 255


I'm glad you posted that because it gave me goosebumps and reminded me of this chilling prophecy related to Ezra Benson by Nikita Kruschev:

I remember reading a story told by Ezra T. Benson, who served as the Secretary of Agriculture during the Eisenhower administration. The leader of the Soviet Union, Nikita Kruschev (who followed Stalin) was going to visit the U.S. and Benson was ordered by Eisenhower to give Kruschev a tour of some of our agricultural facilities. With great reluctance, Benson agreed to do as requested by the President.

During the tour Kruschev remarked to Secretary Benson that communism would eventually consume democracy. Benson replied that Americans would never accept such a drastic change in their form of government as communism. Kruschev then told Benson that it was already beginning to happen.

He said that Americans were being fed one small bite of communism at a time, and that over the course of several years, Americans will have accepted so many communistic ideals, including a massive and uncontrollable federal government, that one day we would wake up to discover that we are a democracy only in name - that our policies and methods of government will be communist in nature. Kruschev concluded that it will be the slow injection of socialist/communist principles into America - not nuclear missiles - that would destroy our nation."

I suggest everyone watch this uplifting and at the same time chilling speech by Ezra Benson where he relates that story. Although it's a bit long it's worth your time.

http://tinyurl.com/6elezq

287 @281 rookwood. I'm just taking the offensive. Someone on the radio said last night black men now have to step up. There's no excuse to be slackers anymore.

Yes, I was being facetious. Prejudices live on forever, no matter how "progressive" society gets. But as far as I'm concerned, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the rest of the racebaiters are out of a job. This should be the end of the black victim class. Our reparations debt has been paid. You can't be held down by the Man when you are the Man. And we can't be accused of being racist since we elected a black man to the highest office in the land.

288 Good article in the Washington Post written by Jeff Flake.  He gets it.  Hopefully, he will open up some ears to listen to him. 

289

Shoulda sent him to Jesuit....

Not quite, David Ross. I endured so much "Liberation Theology" crap in Jesuit high school. We had teachers who spent their summers volunteering to pick Sandinista crops (and suck Sandinista cock, too, literally).

290 Blazer, Kruschev is probably smiling from Hell. And damn him if he wasn't right. The American people are too stupid, lazy and have grown too complacent.

291 Oh, bullshit on the Hillbuzz bashing. The policy they set was to not be a self-defeating putz which is pretty much what Allahpundit is all the fucking time.
If you want to label getting sick of his bullshit happy talk, well fuck you, too. Even when things were good he was being an asshole about it. The happy talk brigade are you who believe he is anything but a bitter passive aggressive snob who actively sought to suppress republican voter turn out.

292
Can we now tell PUMAs to screw off? I always hated Hillary. Still do. I was only pretending to be offended on her behalf to get the PUMA's support. That support proved negligible hence worthless. The vast majority of Hillary supporters ended up voting for Obama. So, screw off.

293 Blazer what site is that? Tinyurl doesnt work for me

294 @293

Here you go geoff.

http://www.viddler.com/explore/AwakeAndAriseOr/videos/49/

295 I disagree with this guy.  The election of Obama is much more apocalyptic than what he thinks it will be.  Make no mistake, the Iranians, the Russians, the North Koreans, the Chinese ... they will NOT let this opportunity slip by.

My predictions are for a declining U.S. which will be economically bankrupt and struggling to meet it's energy needs.  I agree that there will be nuclear war between Israel and Iran - but we won't do a damn thing to prevent it ... or to support Israel in any tangible way after it. 

The Russians will transform the world.  They will form a block of petrol-economies and that bloc will pretty much set the agenda for the world.  All other nations - will play the tune dictated by Russia.  If Putin is smart - he will also attempt to capture American businesses and technology and get them to move to Russia to be a part of HIS economy.  He could make the pot sweet enough for them to make the switch - given the devastating taxes Obama and the Democrats are going to levy on our own businesses.

This is going to be a realignment of the world folks - this is not going to be "enjoyable" or "humorous" and it's not going to be reversible for many, many, many ... generations.

296 "Trudeau definitely fucked up Canada, same way Obama will fuck up America if he gets more than one term."

Trudeau never had a heart so black he supported infanticide.

Trudeau never felt the need to create his own symbols of power. He was secure in himself in a way Barack Obama wasn't.

Trudeau didn't need to practice political thuggery. He won elections, left power, and came back later when he was ready to.

Trudeau had no plans to build a parallel civilian security agency to rival the Pentagon.

Trudeau never lied about seeking out relationships (and starting and nurturing his political career) with Weather Underground terrorists, awful of the insane Prairie Fire communist manifesto, attacker of the Pentagon and police forces, and FBI informants saying they were comfortable with the idea of reeducating the American people and killing the 25,000,000 people or so they couldn't reeducate. Think those numbers are crazy? Russia. China. Both exceeded those numbers.

Trudeau never controlled the most powerful military and security aparatus on Earth.

Barack Obama placed a very weak second in command on his ticket. I've said for months. This was on purpose. So he would not be challenged and would less likely be impeached when he begins implements elements of his goals.

As a commenter posted here:

;">"Do not blame Caesar, blame the people of Rome who have so enthusiastically acclaimed and adored him and rejoiced in their loss of freedom and danced in his path and gave him triumphal processions... Blame the people who hail him when he speaks in the Forum of the 'new, wonderful good society' which shall now be Rome's, interpreted to mean 'more money, more ease, more security, more living fatly at the expense of the industrious.' Julius was always an ambitious villain, but he is only one man."
;">;"> -- Cicero

None of this is inevitable. It may form no part of his plans. Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid may not implement socialism, Marxism, communism -- whatever you want to call it. They may not implement the Fairness Doctrine and other attempts to stop free speech on the right, leaving you with the only the MSM media as you just observed it. They may not have totalatarian impulses.

They may not.

However... he won a massive majority. Both Lenin* and Hitler had less to work with in many ways.


* I believe Barack Obama is closer in designs and methods to this man than the other.

But I'm just a Canadian. We don't know shit, so don't worry, you'll rally the troops in 2012 and take back the White House. Voter fraud will be diminished, and the Supreme Court will not be changed in such a way as to make it possible.

If it is just a regular election again, YRM will be attacking Allahpundit -- if he's still allowed to post -- as an "Eeyore", conveniently forgetting his intelligence and analysis got 2006 right, and he was forced into optimism by YRM and others in 2008, and got it right too, but was overly optimistic.

Hopefully HillBuzz or some scammy site isn't taking Republican (mostly, but not exclusively) women's money and time and seeding feel good stories throughout the internet to drive traffic and enthusiasm to their site to rake it in. And throw you astray.

I presented a worst case scenaria, but there is hope. However, the hope many of you are relying on, to wit that Barack Obama will be as Jimmy Carter, an Annapolis educated navy man and former business owner with leftist tendencies, and not the hard-left Marxist you've been compaigning against for weeks... mystifies me.

But you're smart and I'm just Canadian. And it's not like America ever got any good ideas or insight from other countries at any point during its founding or after. Being from Texas or some similar state and knowing how to use a gun (I do too) is proof of strategic thinking and capability.

Petraeus-Whomever 2012... may they step up to the plate.

297 A lotf of Americans feel a sense of utter hopelessness today.

298 @286

Yes but the same thing could be said about capitalism creeping into communism. I think that has happened a lot more.

Also lets not forget Obama ran as a republican. Lower taxes, invade Pakistan, against gay marriage...etc.

One things conservatives should take away from this is that this country likes conservative ideas...even if they are lies coming from a communist. If McCain stayed on these messages as well as Obama did things would be different.

299 geoff @ 183 "Socialism ... ...it works for a little while, but eventually ... productive people stop producing.  One can only hope this happens quickly enough to stop Obama in 12."

Excellent approach!  It stopped Lenin dead in his tracks by the mid 1980s.

300 Obama got 400,000 more votes than Bush in 2004, not exactly a popular tidal wave. It's becoming more and more obvious as people digest the numbers, McCain didn't turn out his base. Looks like the Rove idea of capturing the base and then expanding worked better than the McCain idea of reaching out to moderates and independent, and hoping the base stayed with you.

301 Can we now tell PUMAs to screw off? I always hated Hillary.

Yes. I bit my tongue during the whole PUMA reachout thing and now I can say to them go back to the fucking holes they crawled out of.

And, also, a big huge Fuck You to Hillary Clinton, that dried up old socialist anti-American, lying, cheating, douche bag.

p.s. Steve, I also want to echo the sentiments said to you by XBradTC, lastnight.

302 "Next Reagan? Mike Pence."

You guys just aren't serious, are you.

Look, the most important thing about Reagan -- the thing without which every other virtue of his would have been worthless -- was his ability to make people to listen to him, to make his words unmissable and telling despite a media that was every bit as in the tank as today's.  (Remember:  no Rush, no internet.)

Mike Pence?  Mike fucking Pence?  Are you on crack?

Look, only one national Republican has IT.  The thing that makes people watch, want to listen, pay attention no matter what.  Before this campaign, I thought she was a solid conservative with a good record and story, but now we know she's much more than that.  She's got more star power and charisma than the rest of the people mentioned for 2012 combined.

Without this, we're dead.  They certainly aren't going to give us a fair shake in the press, so we're going to need a superstar advocate of a candidate.  If you want to knock Palin, tell us who else it's going to be.  Who else has that screw-the-media, listen-to-me quality.

It's not going to be Mike fucking Pence.  Mike Huckabee would be a more plausible suggestion.

303

Christof, I agree Obama is worse than Trudeau...same story on the Hope and Change being meaningless liberal drivel that hurts the economy was my point.

We NEED A MOVEON.ORG FOR THE RIGHT IN AMERICA TO STOP THE SOCIALIST AGENDA ON THE NET AND ON RADIO AND TV.

This is the most righteous, non-corporate right blog on the net, SO IT SHOULD START HERE, NOW, TODAY.

304 298, I noticed that too. During his Greek column acceptance speech, I heard him espousing conservative ideas and had a WTF?! moment. I heard a little of that in his speech last night as well. (The little of it I could make myself listen to.)

It's going to be a long 8 years.

305 When do I get my check?

306

Rob: Agreed, the GOP base did not dturn out.

 

That's the truth of this election.

307 @304

He even came up with a pro life platform webpage!

308

Stoop,

I agree -- would you rather surrender to socialism or think of wasy to stop it?

How about a 527 for the right like moveon to stall Obama's agenda?

Step up.

309 "Looks like the Rove idea of capturing the base and then expanding worked better than the McCain idea of reaching out to moderates and independent, and hoping the base stayed with you."

Coincidentally, we noted this during the primaries.

Not that it made a difference.

310

The civillian army thing is really very interesting tryping to figgure out what he means.

I'd say why but CHRIST NEW COMMENT THINGY SUCKS!

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,

Those where the seconds between when I finished typing "SUCKS", and before I saw anything past the 'r' in interesting actually show up.

ITS A GODDAMN TEXT BOX! Why is it real-time parsing my keyboard input? Too spiffy x 10. Scale this sucker back. No wonder it lags out the ass all the time.

311 Can someone explain to me why the conservatives (probably conservative in a more RINO sense in CA) and liberals thing Palin is dangerous? I understood that they believed she was a hick/hillbilly/idiot/moron/right winger/religious zealot/etc. But I never understood why they think she's dangerous. How is she more dangerous than the new Chairman/Fuhrer overlord?

And how the bloody hell is she more dangerous that Carter? I'll never understand the people who were around during Carter, who voted for him and decided it was such a great 4 years they want a redux with someone even more radical. Did they like the gas lines, the 20% interest rates, high inflation, 444 days, Islamofascist threat?

312 @300

Apparently only a Liberal can appeal to the right and moderates and still keep his base.

Lets not try this again.

313

Next Reagan:  Mike Rowe, the host of "Dirty Jobs"

 

I suspect he is a Democrat, but he is going down a very similar Reagan path with respect to his name recognition and familiarity with the regular guy...

314 Bart # 216 "This is a good time for me to remind everyone that David Ross is a Dungeons & Dragons-playing homo and a former Ron Paul supporter."

Oh good points!  When you explain it that way, I guess the earth IS only 6000 years old after all!

315 Still ming boggling he lost 20% of the Bush vote, that combined with fraud could explain how he lost Indiana after it went 20% up for Bush in 2004. Guess the good news is those narrow losses  in Florida, Indiana, North Carolina, and Ohio are fixed with getting the base all in.

316 Where's my unicorn? I'm still waiting!

317 And now they're bound to be disappointed. Not even Jesus could satisfy all the expectations of Obama's most vocal supporters, or fulfill all the promises Obama has made.
Not to mention all the people he's going to owe favors to in exchange for the millions of dollars he took in in contributions. He's like The Producers, selling 100% of himself to hundreds of people.

318 Let's see I need a unicorn, a check, gas for my car and a mortgage payment, oh and a rainbow! Come on Obama get with it.

319 I just asked myself a hypothetical question on whether I would prefer 4years of an Obama administration or 4 years of having to read posts by Christoph.  I'm embarrased to say that I had to think about it for a minute.

320

317,  Fours years from now when every person in a slum got a 2000 check each year, the will look at the big screen and high end satellite service they bought with it and wonder, why the hell are there still rich folk driving around nice cars living in great neighborhoods with bigger TVs?

321

I'm more pessimistic than some of you.  And than this guy.

I never wanted to live to see the fall of America, but I feel we're on that precipice right now.  Electing President Hussein was the first step over that edge.

As much as my country has broken my heart, in many ways, I feel worse for Israel.  I do love that country, admire and respect it dearly, and with this election, one way or another we've doomed them to a future of darkness and bloodshed.  I'm not overly religious, but I pray they survive.  It will forever be a mark of shame upon me if my country, via its actions on 11.04.08, becomes complicit in their destruction.

322 robtron @ 264 "What about the rezko stuff that came out yesterday? "

Did it have nice, deep bum-prints on it, from being SAT ON for months?  I bet it did.

323

Vyce:

My sentiments exactly. It is a disgrace that people died in Israel this morning because we elected Obama (Hamas fired a bunch of missles).  Our only hope is to push obama to not sell out israel every step of the way.

 

324 Palin is dangerous because she energizes the bitter and cynical. The Social elite in both parties want those assholes pissed and staying home. They swing elections, if there isn't a Social elitist at the top of the ticket.

325

The future is Bobby Jindal- there is no one else out there with executive experience and a strong conservative message.

4 years of hell is a high price to pay though.

326

His predictions on what will happen in the next four years are frightening, but spot-on.

Jesus, Slu, a prediction can't be deemed "spot-on" until the predicted event actually, you know, comes to pass.

I think Obama is going to turn out to be the worst president since Carter...

And so it begins: the eradication from conservatism of all traces of George Akhenaten Bush; all monuments to the last 8 years must be thoroughly defaced.

Look, why don't y'all save yourselves the tedious effort of chiseling away the poor man's likenesses, and just sit back and marvel at the way the Obama administration will completely outshine his pitiful predecessor's.

And look, Slu, you ain't fooling nobody.  After months of calling Obama a marxist, fascist, islamist, terrorist and cheat, SUUUUURE y'all don't hate the man.

327 geoff # 308 "would you rather surrender to socialism or think of wasy to stop it?  How about a 527 for the right like moveon to stall Obama's agenda? "

It's sure as hell got a better chance than waiting around for it to collapse under its own weight, after 75 years.

328 "Jesus, Slu, a prediction can't be deemed 'spot-on' until the predicted event actually, you know, comes to pass."

Yeah, you noticed that weakness too, Dolf Fenster?

329

Stoop,

I agree -- would you rather surrender to socialism or think of wasy to stop it?

How about a 527 for the right like moveon to stall Obama's agenda?

Step up.

Posted by: geoff - anti-Harkonnen freedom fighter at November 05, 2008 03:27 PM (5r0Tz)

I will do everything I can.  Beating my McCain/Palin signs and buttons into plowshares as I type this.  I'm just clueless about this sort of thing; tell me what to do, and I will fall to it.  No money to my name at the moment, but I am scrappy, smart, pretty darn cute, and young.  Also a good writer.

We morons need a leader!

330 disappointment is a four letter word.

331

Shoulda sent him to Jesuit....

Yeah, I went to a Jesuit HS in Jersey City and my brother went to one in NYC.  I was not liberal during HS and college, more not paying attention.  Once I started paying attention and reading for myself I became conservative.  My bro went on to one of the best colleges in the country and doesn't think for himself and is liberal.  I know he doesn't think because I've had conversations with him and he isn't clear.  The bottom line is that people are not educating themselves on issues.  People don't read Sowell or James Madison.  They read newspapers and believe whatever they read.  The Republicans need to start teaching the ideas behind policy.  We take it for granted that people will understand things, and they don't.  There needs to be a back to basics approach here.

332

Bart # 216 "This is a good time for me to remind everyone that David Ross is a Dungeons & Dragons-playing homo and a former Ron Paul supporter."

Oh good points!  When you explain it that way, I guess the earth IS only 6000 years old after all!

(Groan), what are you so afraid of? Yah, we evolved. From what? And how?
With the Obamunist, we will have our military gutted, America socialist, and crooks in power. And you still are fixated on evolution vs. intelligent design (which doesn't deny evolution)!

 

333

The small-government message simply can't compete when the many are enjoying stealing from the few.

Here's another reason: It's unrealistic.

Small governments work well for small countries, small states, and small cities. It won't work for the U.S. government. Reagan, Newt, whoever -- talked up small government a lot but never brought it about. Our country is too big, too powerful, too wealthy, too complex and too important for its government to be anything but big.

"Small government" is our unicorn. It's great to want small government; it's another thing to expect it. If you want small government badly enough, then that's the battlefield your politics and future election hopes will die on.

334 A recent HillBuzz comment:

chai Says:
November 5, 2008 at 2:41 pm

Did ask for a refund this AM for my $$$ yesterday, and got no response from HillBuzz except to say they’ve accepted my donation. Feel somewhat ripped off....

Yeah, that was like, you know, a much better response than answering the questions I and several of their commenters have been asking all day.

335 <i>There will be nuclear war between Iran and Israel</i>

No, there won't. 

336 Curm @ 332 "And you still are fixated on evolution vs. intelligent design (which doesn't deny evolution)!"

Actually I'm more fixated on the sleazy technique that Bart (presumably in jest, unlike you) was using on David Ross.  What the fuck that has to do with being "afraid of" something is unclear. 
Also, bite me.

337 Jesus Christ, stop with the fucking graphic vandalism.

338

"Small government" is our unicorn. It's great to want small government; it's another thing to expect it. If you want small government badly enough, then that's the battlefield your politics and future election hopes will die on.

OK, I think we have a Definition Problem here. Obviously, any nation with a large military will automatically have a sizeable public sector.

However, if that public sector concerns itself chiefly with national defense and public safety and little else, is that government still "small"????

I would say YES.

Perhaps to be more accurate we should focus not so much on the absolute size of government so much as what tasks the government should and should not do. Call it "appropriate government".

339 I hope Obama leaves me some change for lunch.

340 It's time for state governments to start pushing the Fed back down.

341 "Perhaps to be more accurate we should focus not so much on the absolute size of government so much as what tasks the government should and should not do."

Honestly, I think we should focus on the relative size of government.  De-funding things is hard, but restraining them while economic growth makes them smaller is doable.

342 "THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. Britain, with an army to enforce her tyranny, has declared that she has a right (not only to TAX) but "to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER" and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God."
-- some guy named Thomas Paine

343 What if we just stopped calling it "small government" and more realistically called for "smallER government"?  Which is kind of like Curmudgeon's good idea, now that I look at it.

344

205 Proposition #8 just passed in California. Heres lookin' at you open minded liberals that voted for Obama in Cali., you bunch of racist-redneck bitter homophobes that cling to your guns and religion and just want a free pay-check

And the irony is that all the blacks and Hispanics that voted for The One also voted in favor of Prop 8.

345 We need to quit playing the "gotchya" game with Dems on earmarks/pork. Many our our side care about earmarks, but Dems don't.

As long as my Congressman voted against McCain-Feingold, Prescription drug benefits, and the bailout, I could gave a rat's ass how corrupt he was.

Republicans have been penny-wise, but pound-foolish. We need to talk about REAL FUCKING ISSUES not about mindless shit like earmarks.

346

And also, it appears Hispanics broke overwhelmingly for Obama.

Heh. Good thing Bush and McCain spent so much time pandering to them instead of keeping the base happy. Really paid big dividends.

Yeah, what shit. LaRaza my ass.  Just wait....the impending 12-20 million illegal soon-to-be-legal aliens will now be added to the Dem voting rosters from now until our collapse.

347 katya @ 196 "You know, there are many bonafide scientists who personally believe in intelligent design."

That's nice how they "believe in" it.  Get back to me when they can design an experiment that would confirm OR disprove it.  Until that happens, it has no predictive power, and therefore no explanatory power, and therefore doesn't qualify as a scientific theory. 
An interesting philosophical speculation?  Sure, fine, whaddevvah. 
Subject to experimental confirmation / disproof?  Not.

"  Amazingly, they are ostracised by the Main Stream Scientists.  The SAME ones who ostracise the scientists who don't support the Global Warming Cult."

Really?  If they're the same ones, then you can name them, right?

348

I know Great Minds Think Alike, but I said pretty much the same thing last night:

 

121

Liberals think Obama is their Reagan.  They are about to find out he is Jimmy Carter with  a tan.  He has promised so much to so many that he can't possibly deliver.  Reagan was about two things: cutting taxes, and winning the Cold War.  Obama is about 50 things.  And he has to go through Mitch McConnell to get any of them done.  Even Bill Clinton, who was elected with only 43% of the vote, had a clearer and simpler agenda when he took office, and he couldn't get any of it done because of the leftists in Congress.

The hyperbole on both sides about Obama is just that.  He's not Karl Marx, and he's not the Messiah.  He's just a politician, and a lightweight one at that.

Posted by: rockmom at November 05, 2008 12:18 AM (iZqUY)

349

#331-

It's interesting that the the number one demo to go totally ga-ga over O was unmarried, college educated women, by something like 70+ percent.  Everyone one of these that I know is a pie-in-the-sky lefty who believes every shovel of shit that "Big News" throws.  Almost all have humanities or law-related degrees of varying levels of uselessness, and occupy HR or Safety Dept. cubicles where they come up with gay-ass shit to annoy the people that actually produce things.

Also one of the more rapidly growing segments of society.  Unfortunately, I do not believe the big backlash against Obama will occur. The media will spin everything like Pravda, and these humanities girls will eat it up. Most of his major damage (Dept. of Defense, energy policy) will not be apparent for years, maybe decades. The media was much less in the tank than during the Carter era.

We would only know the pain of not deploying the missile defense system until it was too late.

 

350 Jesus Christ, stop with the fucking graphic vandalism.

That wasn't Jesus Christ, that was Christoph.

I know, I know, very easy to get the two confused, what with all the pontification and such.

351 My pontification is mostly this today... Are you not in the least bit curious who (may have) scammed donations from Ace of Spades commenters under the guise of helping the McCain-Palin ticket, got mentioned on Rush Limbaugh's show, and claimed they would get PUMAs out to the polls without offering the slightest evidence they put even 1 of the "boots on the ground" they promised would work for you in Ohio and Pennsylvania?

352 @329 I'm college educated, unmarried and female and I certainly did NOT go ga-ga over Obama. I had the opposite reaction. Unfortunately, my friends are part of that 70%. I'm the lone conservative in my group. It sucks.

I'm a history major, which helped support my conservativism, but I think for most history majors, the opposite is true. Esp with revisionists (re)writing our history now.

353 whoops, I meant 349

354 Quote:  " . . .the US is too large and too strong to destroy in just 4 years. Or even in 8."

That was true so long as it was in the framework of traditional Repub/Dem government.  We now have elected a full fledged Marxist who finds the Constitution he is about to swear to uphold is 'fundamentally flawed'.   It is a mistake to believe this is a disaster 'coming' in the next four years. 

Ayers, Alinsky, Farakkhan, Cone . . .have been 'organizing' towards this for decades. This isn't just about the oval office.  Like termites feasting on dead wood . . .this destructive force is about to overwhelm the once "too strong" and "too large" to be destroyed American dream.  Commie infiltration on a scale not yet seen in these states.

Imagine the impact on the War on Terror.   Under the Bush admin, the Pentagon chose to self censure "jihad" "Islamic terrorist" lexicon, as well as tossing Stephen Coughlin in favor of Hesham Islam.  Expect much more of this suicidal manipulation under an Obama admin.  Feeling secure?

Imagine William Ayers as Secretary of Education, or Farakkhan/Wright/Pfleger performing the Presidential invocation at the inauguration ceremony.  Bankrupting the coal industry?  Manipulating energy prices to challenge human behavior, repealing CC laws? 
Once the key to national security is in Obama's hands, it's as good as if placed  in his handlers hands as well. 
All the campaign finance shenanigans to bring him into power - nothing has and nothing will come of it.   

His eligibility questions?  Nothing has and nothing will come of it. 

Voter fraud?  Nothing has and nothing will come of it. 

What makes you believe that existing 'checks and balances' will stop him now?

355

I think Bush had a pretty good rapport and genuine relationshipwith the hispanic community because of his days as Governor of Texas, McCain's goofy attempt with La Raza was just pathetic. Bush appealed to Texas Hispanics based on family values etc (this was before illegal immigration became the hot button issue it rightfully is today). He got about 40-45% of hispanic vote in 2004. McCain got about 30%.

356 Are you not in the least bit curious who....... - Christoph

Not today.  Seriously, you have now mentioned it a bunch of times and linked your comments on other threads and obviously nobody besides you gives a flying fuck about it.  Whether it was a scam or not, is meaningless at this point.

357

Is firing based on political affiliation a hate crime?

Yes, and to prevent it we will fire all Republican managers so that we can stop them before they can fire any good people.

358 Sadly, I don't think the MSM will go after him.  At the first mild criticism of The One, the cries of "racist" will echo.  The MSM will back down and that will be that.

359 I think that Beste underestimates two things.

Obama intends on leading a complete realignment of our network of allies as evidenced by his and Pelosi's scuttling of the Columbia agreements.  He comes from and is advised by people who believe that our friends and the US are responsible for the conflicts in which these nations find themselves.  So get ready for cosy meetings with Chavez, Castro, the nut from Iran, and others while heavy pressure is applied to our former friends to "sacrifice" to demands of the thugs are their gates.  Hell, two of his advisors, seriously organized petitions and groups to force the use of the US military in direct confrontation of Israel to force acceptance of the "peace" accords back in 2000 as a result of the Jenin hoax.

By the end of the Chicago Dope's debacle, Iran will control all of Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, the West Bank and perhaps a swath of Israel proper.  It isn't just Afghanistan which we are going to lose.  Unfortunately, some Israelis are going to die and ultimately many more Americans will die.

So belly up to the bar of $8 a gallon gas and buy some heavy blankets because Jimmy Carter misery index is on its way. 

PS:
As to the next election, order #1 must be to instantly started calling all Pennsylvanians the most stupid, most backassward, racist whores and numb*ucks to have every lived, because apparently nothing impresses Pennsylvania voters more than to be called inbred, racist imbeciles along with promises to destroy their economy.  God what a bunch of morons!!

360 the market doesn't seem to excited about mr. O

361 Yes PA (as pennsylvania and palestinian authority ) sucks

362 looks like the messiah couldn't save the market today

363

I would settle for a “Constitutional Government”. That is one that only involves itself in the things authorized by the Constitution. But, I guess that is just a wild ass unicorn fart as well.

364 After reading up about Jindal, Pawlenty, Cantor, and some other promising Republicans my mood has changed today from one of despair to one of confidence.

365

I think people should remember, Obama and his campaign are like Enron. It is not Enron's job to keep Enron in check, it was Arthur Anderson's job. We should not have ODS, it's not Obama's fault the press FAILED to do their job. Like Enron, when they collapsed so did Arthur Anderson. The press will try to wash their hands (as noted in the column) of him, but we must remind people of how they fawned over him and ignored everything.

I agree with almost everything in the column, except for the Iran/Isreal nuclear war. I think Russia will test him. Remember the real cooks out there (Alex Jones) will start saying Obama is part of the evil system. The left empowered people like this with their BDS, and they still have a voice, and it will turn quickly on Obama (see how fast Cindy Sheehan turned on Pelosi). I think the left will implode and eat their own.

366

I don't intend to go all ODS all the time.

Maybe just enough to make the BDS buttheads try to find a logical or moral reason why I shouldn't.

367 Everyone whinging that, "Oh noes, the Republic iz lost!" can get the fuck out of my country. Don't let the screen door hit you in the ass. Or let it. I. Don't. Fucking. Care. Take your gods-damned Sunshine Patriot self out of here. Or just take yourselves out, like Cobain did when he realized it would take hard work to stay on top of the charts. The grown-ups are working on how to fix the situation, and your cry-baby attitudes are getting annoying. (PS: Rebekah, you wouldn't by any chance happen to be single?)

368

good intentions? Where did you ever get the idea he had good intentions at all? It's clear as day the Narcissist is all about himself and doesn't give two shits about anyone. Nothing is going to happen because no matter what, the in the tank MSM is going to give the viewers rainbows and Unicorns. Don't expect to ever hear what really is going on-expect nothing but propaganda said to maintain the smoke and mirrors that is Obama. We all know it

If people aren't bright enough to vote for their own best interests, let them lose their hard earned money to those that don't earn it. We can't do anything about it but at least half of we know it's coming so hide your money now.

369 The market is going to get a hell of alot worse. People have between now and January to pull their money. Your going to see it, perhaps not all at once but companies and individuals will start pulling their money. Whether one huge slam or a steady trickle, it's going to happen.  If your in the stock market, get out now before it crashes. It's coming, bet on it

370 Here's where I think this article goes wrong:

The President of the United States is the most powerful political figure in the world, but as national executives go his powers are actually quite restricted. Obama will become President, but he won't be dictator or king, let alone deity. He still has to work with the House and the Senate, and he still has to live within Constitutional restrictions, and with a judiciary that he mostly didn't appoint.

I have seen NO indication that Obama plays by the rules.  NONE.  He lies.  He cheats.  He does whatever he has to do to get what he wants.  He's more than opportunistic...he's a corrupt politician who changes the rules.

So what reason is there to believe that President-Elect ACORN will allow there to be fair elections ever again?

What reason is there to believe that President-Elect You're-A-Racist-if-you-challenge-me will allow dissent and freedom of speech?

What reason is there to believe President-Elect Redistributionism isn't going to decimate our economy?

What reason is there to believe that President-Elect Bankrupt Coal/Skyrocketing Electricity is all the sudden going to change his mind?

He's promised to slash our military and has proposed a Civilian National Security Force...signaling weakness to our enemies.  I don't even want to consider what his plans for the Brownshirts are quite yet.

So...I'm sorry...but yes.  I do believe that he can quite easily destroy our country in 4 years.  He's already laid out his plans to do so, if anyone had bothered to see who he was beyond the marketing campaign.

For the first time in my life...I fear for our country's future.

371 Please...if anyone can come up with a reason for me to not believe what I typed, I'm all Ross Perots.

372 367 Everyone whinging that, "Oh noes, the Republic iz lost!" can get the fuck out of my country. Don't let the screen door hit you in the ass. Or let it. I. Don't. Fucking. Care. Take your gods-damned Sunshine Patriot self out of here. Or just take yourselves out, like Cobain did when he realized it would take hard work to stay on top of the charts. The grown-ups are working on how to fix the situation, and your cry-baby attitudes are getting annoying. (PS: Rebekah, you wouldn't by any chance happen to be single?)

Posted by: cybrludite at November 05, 2008 05:10 PM (5pbeQ)

Ditto to all that.  And all the "Fairness Doctrine will shut us down, so goodbye cruel world!" nancies, quit crying.  We're Americans.  They put a boot on our neck, we've got a boot of our own to shove up their collective Commie ass.

(PS, Sure am.)

373 I think his two foreign policy decisions are questionable at best: the loss of Afghanistan and the nuclear war in the middle east. Other than that he does a good job.

Perhaps to be more accurate we should focus not so much on the absolute size of government so much as what tasks the government should and should not do.

That's always been the true sense and intent of conservatism, the "small government" line is short hand for "constitutionally proper goverment." Which at this time is significantly smaller and weaker than at present. Libertarians are all about government smaller for the sake of smaller, Conservatives are about it for the sake of justice and right.

374

And also, it appears Hispanics broke overwhelmingly for Obama.

Heh. Good thing Bush and McCain spent so much time pandering to them instead of keeping the base happy. Really paid big dividends.

And there you will find the 7 million Republicans who voted for Bush in 2004 but stayed home yesterday.  Karl Rove and John McCain did not believe they existed. But they do, and it's no accident where they are and which states flippd to Obama or went harder for Obama than for Kerry: Virginia, NC, Florida, New Mexico, and Ohio.  Those states are overrun with illegals, and Republicans voted with their feet against amnesty.

375 Those states are overrun with illegals, and Republicans voted with their feet against amnesty.

Sure, because its clear they weren't voting with their brains if they went to the party that's guaranteed to legalize the illegals.

376 One last thought before I go to bed (gotta work tonight) from Thomas Paine, directed to those who think we're done. "These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph." It won't be easy. The things worth doing never are. It's going to take hard work and sacrifice to fix this. But it's got to be done. As another person more articulate than myself put it, "If now now, when? If not me, then who?" We back conservatives in congress, and split the right-leaning Dems from their party with pressure from their home districts or states. We sue over every un-Constitutional measure passed and signed, and keep them tied up in the courts. We directly back conservative candidates in both primaries and elections, and the hell with the RNC if they're going to back RINO incumbents. If you're just going to throw your hands up and whine about how all is lost, then depart in peace, may your chains rest lightly on your shoulders, and may History forget you were ever our countrymen.

377

Sure, because its clear they weren't voting with their brains if they went to the party that's guaranteed to legalize the illegals.

As opposed to McCain, who tried to do the same???

Toby928, Republicans must give us a clear alternative, not Demunist Commiecrat Lite.

378 rookwood: And to the Catholics, what can I say? I hope you go to bed every night counting the unsuccessful born alive abortions placed in closets and left to die, without mercy.

FYI: I'm going slightly biblical here, with a tinge of animus. I really try to keep this to a minimum (especially in political threads - I recognize I'm out of bounds and will try not to repeat), but I'm really raw today.  If this offends you and you want to skip me, please do.

rookwood, if a purported Catholic voted for our new POTUS-elect, he or she is not really Catholic; it's like a Boy Scout who refuses to take the Boy Scout oath or buy the uniform - a boy can't be rightfully call himself a Boy Scout unless he does those things.  One can't be a Catholic and fail to oppose the taking of innocent life.  Period. 

There are days when I relish the thought of biblical justice (wrought on others, of course).  Today is one such day.  For those nominal Catholics who voted for Obama, my own sister included, I hope they find their faith and their consciences and that they help rectify this atrocity, because I have no doubt God will visit upon their souls the righteous justice deserved of complicity to abortion and infanticide.  The prospect of such an evening of scores should have been feared even more than a failed Obama candidacy.  Morever, until they find their consciences, I truly wish they'd quit calling themselves Catholic. They're NOT, and they only confuse the world about real Catholic identity and values.

Sorry to get all Judeo-Christian vindictive on ya'll.  rookwood struck a chord.  Now, I've gotta get back to cleaning my own soul, 'cause I don't want to get caught uawares by my own wished-for judgment day.

379

The study I did this morning for all the States that flipped showed that Obama got roughly 2 million more votes than Kerry and McCain got just under 1 million less than Bush in those States. What was remarkable was that votes for both went down in Ohio.

380

Sure, because its clear they weren't voting with their brains if they went to the party that's guaranteed to legalize the illegals.

Exactly.  I’m sorry, but the election results indicate the Republican base is full of idiots that don’t understand the concept of opportunity cost.  They’re almost as irrational and illogical as the idiot Dems that voted for Barry’s “free lunch” plan.  Talk about cutting your nose to spite your face.  The biggest problem with the Republican Party isn’t the RINOs that have sold out conservative principles (although they are a big problem.)  The biggest problem is that the base is full of undisciplined, unrealistic, ideological puritans.  They couldn’t settle on one candidate during the primaries and ended up with a celebrity candidate that ran more on biography and patriotism than conservative ideals.  I get why conservatives were dissatisfied with McCain, but they’ve got no one to blame but themselves for him winning the nomination.  If you really wanted a conservative candidate you should have gotten involved in the process early, like the Obamatards did, and compromised (dirty word) on a more conservative candidate.   Moreover, you’ve got no one to blame but yourselves for the Barack Obama/Pelosi/Reid trifecta of socialism, appeasement and assault on values.  16% of Hillary Clinton supporters crossed party lines to vote for McCain/Palin despite the fact that many of these voters disagree with McCain and Palin on issues like abortion and gay marriage.   They put their country before their own interests because they personally knew what a deceptive, sleazy, corrupt Chicago pol, crypto-Marxist, sexist ass Barack Hussein Obama is and wanted to save our nation from him.  PUMAs did not lose the election.  (And I wouldn’t bitch about the PUMAs ripping you off Christoph when you consider the fact that they had websites up informing the American people about Obama’s shadiness while conservatives like Noonan and George Will were kissing Barry’s ass and conservatives like Hannity and Limbaugh were doing everything in their power to discredit Obama’s most powerful critics: the Clintons.  Just think of your donation as partial payment for these ladies’ early intel on Barry.  The conservatives had so bought into the myth of the indestructible, evil Clintons that they were caught flat footed when Barry won the nomination.  If nothing else, the PUMAs helped them make up part of their Barry intel deficit.)

The Republican Party conservative base needs to grow the fuck up if they want to win again.  Get involved in the process early.  Support conservative candidates with your time and energy.  Don’t run off potential allies simply because they don’t adhere to your pure ideological stances (e.g., socially conservative Hispanics and Blacks, libertarians,  fiscal conservatives that want the government out of our bedrooms, moderate Democrats that are unhappy about the leftist turn of the party, etc. )  There’s great potential to divide and conquer the Dem base by adopting this “issue by issue alliance” tactic.  (Sadly, a lot of the Repub. base is so undisciplined they can’t keep themselves from insulting the very people that could help them advance their agenda.  One example, is the poster that excitedly felt free to say “Screw you” to the PUMAs since the election is over with.  Some of you guys are no better than the DailyKos kiddies in this respect.)  Don’t automatically vilify Republican candidates when they don’t do what YOU think is the right thing: Eg. The bailout.  Analyze the situation rationally first.  Consider the costs and benefits.  Look at the bigger picture.  Also, once a candidate has been picked, shut the hell up and support the lesser of two evils.  Mitigate your losses.  The time to attack was during the primary season.  Once the candidate is elected, stay on his/her ass and make sure he/she does the right thing.   If the person sucks, get out there and try to get a stronger candidate next time. 

Frankly, all Americans, not just conservatives, need to take away one big lesson from this election: We can’t be passive about our political process anymore.  We need to get very involved.  If we don’t, we’ll be giving our country over to the anti-American, lefty freak groups like ACORN, MoveOn.Org and Barry Obama’s New Democratic Party.

381 cybrludite:

You quote Paine's remarks about sunshine patriots, and assure us that the fight will be hard, and then state that we need to do is "we back", "we sue", "we directly back"...

Sorry, that's just funneh to me.

I don't think that when Paine was talking about the difficulty of fighting against tyranny, he was referring to the choppy waters of community organizing.

When the people finally realize that they -are- in a tyranny, then you can call on me for help, and me, the "sunshine patriot", will be there to die in their defense.  But until people realize that, until people stop -voting- for tyranny, all opposing or even pointing it out does is provide the tyrants with an excuse for their tyranny.

You go ahead and organize communities that will reverse 60 years of Gramsci's long march through the institutions.  Good luck taking back the media, the schools, the hospitals, the culture, the courts and the government with lawsuits and "direct backing" of the right candidates.  That'll show 'em.  In the meantime, as a cuban exile, I'll be waiting until the rest of you wake up and realize what's happened.  See if you can get there before the neighborhood snitches in Barry's "civilian national security force" that is as well armed and funded as the US military are in place, mkay?

Qwinn

382 Qwinn, if things are truly to that point, what are you doing behind a keyboard? You should be up in the hills with a rifle. Obama's Hopey Changey Sturm Abetilung has not yet been formed and can still be stopped at the legislative stage. They need a budget before they can buy all those brown shirts, after all. It's going to be much easier to stop them as a bill, than when they are an armed reality backed by the force of law. If you yield the field until they're armed, trained, and in place, then it will be a civil war. And we're talking the Kansas-Missouri border here, not Stuart's Cavalry riding circles around MacClellan. I've got some choice quotes from Sun Tzu on the subject, but I believe you understand my point. If Obama and the Dems push things to that point, I'll be at your side. However I'll be pushing back every step of the way from here to there.

383 Pushing back against them, that is.

384 135 -- What the GOP never, ever figured out was that all the bennies they offered the illegals at the national and state levels WERE BEING HANDED OUT BY THE DEMOCRATS at the city and street levels.

Guess who the indocumentados saw them as coming from?

385 "60 years of Gramsci's long march through the institutions. Good luck taking back the media, the schools, the hospitals, the culture, the courts and the government with lawsuits and "direct backing" of the right candidates"

You mean, all the important institutions in a democratic society? Try reading de Tocqueville sometime instead of Mao. Or, if you must, try The Moon is a Harsh Mistress and at least be quiet about it.

386 Hey, I just thought of another silver lining! Now Hillary probably won't run for President and put us through that again!

Not necessarily. I don't think it's implausible that Hillary might deeply despise Barack Obama at this point. And Hillary really really wants to be president. If Obama's administration turns out as bad as I think it will, I could see the Clintons organizing a center-left "National Salvation" party in 2010 or 2011 ... and it might even include McCain, Snow, and some other RINOs.

Depending on just how bad the Obama administration is and on how demoralized and/or persecuted the Republicans are by then, this might even be a relatively good thing.

God help us all.

387 Enough with the apocalyptic talk. Man up, read the post below and let get to work: http://patriotroom.com/?p=3916

388 Rush Limbaugh '12

I second that. He's allready has 30 million guaranteed votes.

Fuggetabout it, he already said he wouldn't take the paycut (and at $100 million a year vs $450,000, I wouldn't either).

389 To David Ross and Christoph:

Could you guys fellate each other in some hotel room and leave us out of it?

Thanks.

390 any thoughts on how long it will take McCain to return to maverickness and screw his fellow Republicans to be seen as bipartisan?

What do you mean return?

391 The backlash will begin soon as the entire illuminati cult of Obama realizes that their messiah was nothing more than a con artist, laying down the pretty words as a staircase to the White House, only to light a match and toss it behind him once he's there.

392 "The backlash will begin soon as the entire illuminati cult of Obama realizes that their messiah was nothing more than a con artist"

Yeah, but have ya talked to any of 'em?  That alone could take quite some time.  We ain't talking about the pointiest forks in the drawer, here.

393 RJ, see if you can post a comment without the word illuminati in it.  Maybe use cabal or CFR or Zorastarian Shapeshifters.  Not that I totally disagree with your assessment, but I makes you sound like a crank and Lord knows we've got enough of them already.

394 >Yeah, but have ya talked to any of 'em? That alone could take quite some time. We ain't talking about the pointiest forks in the drawer, here.

No, but they are the sharpest knives on the tree.

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