1 We're still going to stomp down on trolls, though.

2

I love this country too much to do to President-Elect Obama what the left did to President Bush, John McCain and Sarah Palin. We're better than that.

You are right.  It's not so bad, the Republican party lost it's way some time ago - Abramoff, Foley, Stevens, etc.  A McCain presidency probably would have been a failure, anyway, with congress and the media in a full court press against him and Obama waiting in the wings to try again in 2012.  We need the left to come out in all its glory for us to pull our heads out of our asses and get refocused as a party.

Besides, being in the opposition will be fun.

3 "We're better than that."

Maybe if we weren't, this wouldn't have happened.  Just thinkin.

4

Yeah but they sure made that BDS work for 'em, didn't they? We're better than that...sure. And look where we are.

5 Like I said before I will show the same respect to obama as the liberals showed to President Bush.

6

The lord giveth, and the lord taketh away if you make more than $250,000 a year

 

7 Slu, there's derangement at rumors, lies and distortions - at the irrational. But I will stay calm and at least see what happens come 1/21/09. After that, whatever misdeeds this guy does is absolutely fair game.

To quote Michael Corleone, "This ain't personal, Sonny. It's strictly business."

8 I'm willing to be respectful until he does something to lose it. I'm thinking about a month.

9 "I love this country too much to do..."

That's noble. I cried a highway Indian tear.

Now bend over.

10 It hasn't gotten the republicans anywhere by taking the high road, what makes you think it will all of the sudden start to work now. You can't win if you don't play by the same rules.

11 Render unto Caesar, for he shall spreadth it around.

12 Fuck O'Vomit, I'll not give him the time of day or the sweat off my balls.

13 Slu, there's derangement at rumors, lies and distortions - at the irrational. But I will stay calm and at least see what happens come 1/21/09. After that, whatever misdeeds this guy does is absolutely fair game.

Agreed.  I'll go after him, but just can't bring myself to fall into the cesspool of vile hatred that the left has spent the last eight years wallowing in.

14

You're right Slu. 

But I sure do fucking hate him.  That speach made me so mad last night.  He thinks this country sucked, until now.

15

I will give him the same respect that Bush was given, no more, no less.

Won't matter. 20 million energized socialists added to the voter rolls by 2012. Amnesty = permanent majority for the leftists.

Don't fall asleep, don't give in, don't give up. I'm a husband & alot of other things before I'm a political hack, and it's for that reason that I am not giving him one inch of slack.

Maybe I can get childishly clever & call him Barry O'Stalin. As retarded as that was when it was done to Bush, the sound of barking moonbats stampeded the rest of the herd, just enough.

Do. Not. Go. To. Sleep.

AtS

16 I fear a permanent Massachusetts-style (or worse) kleptocracy.  Unless the illegal fund raising and voter fraud is addressed - and there seems no will to address it - then this is it for the Republic.

17 #6 The lord giveth, and the lord taketh away if you make more than $250,000 a year.


Dig him. $250,000??? Try $125,000 when Triple-0 (Occupant-Oval Office) and Barney "Cocktail" Frank get together.

18 Anyone know where the "fuck this mess, my loathing of the new president isn't any less because he got elected, let's get mad and get even and beat them at their own game" thread is?

Because I've obviously stumbled into the "cake-eating, advertised self-satisfaction at being too dignified to fight for myself or my country, no, don't bother, I can grease my hole myself" thread.

19 yeah, you are right.

But even so - someone needs to get the tape from the LA times, so we only have to put up with 4 yrs of this guy. He needs to hit the road after 4 yrs.

20

1. Playing by the rules is for suckers.

2. Honor is meaningless when the culture that created the concept of honor is demonized.

3. When you are attacked you FIGHT BACK

4. We can't just rely on Rush and Sean to get the message out. They'll be silenced before the end of next year. The press is totally hostile and effectively a propaganda arm of the Dems. We need to develop ways to reach a mass audience that can by-pass the press and the Fairness Doctrine.

5. We need political leadership unafraid to stand up FOR US. And more importantly our principles!

6. Every elected office in this country MUST be contested for. Its disgusting that people like Jefferson, Frank, and Pelosi had no serious opposition.

7. We need to target certian dems for defeat in 2010 NOW! Frank, Murtha, Dodd, Jefferson, Schumer, Reid, and Pelosi all need to have credible candidates opposing them.

8. Bipartisanship is a four letter word for Conservatives. No more compromising. No play-along-to-get-along crap.

9. Schadenfreud is NOT going to win the election in 2010. Principled positions are. Being Lefty-lite is not going to win elections.

10. Never let the NY Times pick your presidential candidate!

This is but one of several lists of kick ass ideas in the comments sections to start fighting back.

I Can haz manifesto post?

21

Barack Obama gets no honeymoon, no pass, no soft bigotry of lowered expectations.

I was led to believe that He is the wisest, most capable person on the planet, uniquely qualified to Make Things Better.  Obama has a Democratic Congress and, apparently, a mandate.  He's Locked and Loaded and a Community Organizer.

Barack Had Damn Well Better Deliver Beginning Day One.

Any questions about Bush or concerns about Cheney?  The past 8 years?  Fuck that, Barack.  Fix it.  Now.

No Excuses.

.

22 Because I've obviously stumbled into the "cake-eating, advertised self-satisfaction at being too dignified to fight for myself or my country, no, don't bother, I can grease my hole myself" thread.

Did any of us say we wouldn't fight?

There's a major difference between fighting hard for what we believe in and the disgusting hatred the left specializes in.  I'd rather not see conservatives go down that road.

23 I don't particularly hate Obama, but I have a deep abiding hate for every last motherfucking shit-eating cocksucker who voted for him because they think he's going to fix all their problems and pay their way through life, and I'm going to take intense pleasure in laughing at them when they realize their stupid miserable grasping lives still suck ass, no matter how much they chant his name or hope instead of changing.

Plus, now his kids can get fresh fruit every day and Michelle doesn't have to lift a finger, so that's nice.

24

If anyone strikes you upon the right cheek, turn to him the other also...and then scratch your face with your middle finger

25 I will be lying low. Although I am here legally, I don't have a nephew in high office.

26

He's a tool. Merely a tool.

27 Demonization is not essential to opposition.

No, it's not. But it's certainly the most savory part.

28 Caveat: the sentiments here don't appear to be "trending" toward cake-eating. Duly noted.

My bile is directed at some of the posts and comments on the board today in toto, as I mentioned in a comment on the previous thread regarding similar "honor The One" submission language.

29 No

30 I should add that I am going to enjoy drinking the tears of disappointment sure to come when his followers realize he's just another politician.

31 I agree, Slu.  Don't attack the man.  Attack his words, deeds and ideas because that'll be a target-rich environment.

32 Any state willing to secede? I'm will to start over and leave the coasts to screw themselves.

Maybe Montana? Idaho? Alaska?

33 I was not thrilled by the McCain nomination, and had actually resigned myself to the fact our next President was going to be a dem in the middle of last year. I could have given 2 shits about the McCain campaign until he picked Palin. So I'm a little bummed that Obama is our next pres, but I'm absolutely infuriated at the way Palin has been treated by the press and many on the right.

However, I am tremendously relieved that I don't have to try and defend that asshole John McCain over the next 4 years. That pathetic douchetaste never was a friend to conservatives, and can go fuck himself. I also look forward to stuffing every fuck up that happens straight up the dem's collective ass for the next 4 years.

34

The Obama presidency will do what all fads end up doing - fade away.  While there most certainly exists a small core of Obama voters who were knowledgable, understood the issues, and willingly supported socialism, the vast, vast majority of his support came from band-wagon voters.  They are just like band-wagon sports fans.  When their local team suddenly starts winning, they'll wear the team hats and jerseys; they'll watch them on TV; they'll talk about the game at the office.  Granted, they don't know the name of one player on the team, but suddenly, they're a fan.

Then, the team starts losing.  The band-wagoner feels let down, and a little silly for getting so worked up in the first place. The hats and jerseys stay in the closet.  They turn the channel to something else when the game is on.  If they talk about the team at all, it's to complain about how shitty they are and how the coach needs to get canned.  And as quickly as they jumped on the band-wagon, they've jumped off.

35 Obama isn't my worry, its the brain dead Americans that voted for him that worry me.

36 Does anyone really think we will get any credit for being above the slime? Give me a break, when we act respectful they just say that we are finally seeing it their way. We need to go after them as hard if not harder then they went after us. Otherwise we will be drowned out completely.

37

>> I love this country too much to do to President-Elect Obama what the left did to President Bush, John McCain and Sarah Palin. We're better than that.

Amen!  Seriously this is a very important point slu.  Bravo.

38 Slu:

Look, if he sells Israel down the river, restores the fairness doctrine, lowers the highest tax bracket to $120,000 and we hit Dow 3,000 in 18 months or less, wouldn't that be considered righteous anger, or justifiable loathing?

39 Putin is laughing his ass of this morning. Probably gassing up the tanks to take back Ukraine.

40 Look, if he sells Israel down the river, restores the fairness doctrine, lowers the highest tax bracket to $120,000 and we hit Dow 3,000 in 18 months or less, wouldn't that be considered righteous anger, or justifiable loathing?

How about righteous loathing?

41 Well, we know next time to listen only to Rasmussen. He's nailed it twice in a row for the Presidential election.

42

As far as keeping above the fray--it's confusing ethics with politics.  Politics is the art of the expedient, and Obama has mastered that in spades.

43 I don't think the Fairness Doctrine can stand with this Supreme Court.

44 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see Obama (after an ID check, $2300 donation and copious illegal background checks). Blessed are the community organizers for they shall be called the multiple voters of Obama. Blessed are those who are persecuted for racist preaching and bombing the Pentegon, for theirs is the kingdom of Washington.

45

McCain took the "principled" high road & well, he's off to Sunny Village, AZ....along with the rest of us if we don't wake up.

You're seeing third-world style politics in this country. Wake up. This is not your Daddy's game. They will NOT let up one bit. You think they were viscious before? How do you think they're going to be with blood in the water?

Stand up and fight.

AtS

46 When Samuel grew old, he appointed his sons as judges for Israel. 2 The name of his firstborn was Joel and the name of his second was Abijah, and they served at Beersheba. 3 But his sons did not walk in his ways. They turned aside after dishonest gain and accepted bribes and perverted justice.

 4 So all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah. 5 They said to him, "You are old, and your sons do not walk in your ways; now appoint a king to lead ^[a] us, such as all the other nations have."

 6 But when they said, "Give us a king to lead us," this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the LORD. 7 And the LORD told him: "Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. 8 As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. 9 Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do."

 10 Samuel told all the words of the LORD to the people who were asking him for a king. 11 He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. 12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. 14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. 15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. 16 Your menservants and maidservants and the best of your cattle ^[b] and donkeys he will take for his own use. 17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. 18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day."

 19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. "No!" they said. "We want a king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles."

 21 When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the LORD. 22 The LORD answered, "Listen to them and give them a king."
      Then Samuel said to the men of Israel, "Everyone go back to his town."

1 Samuel
Ch. 8

47

You can't win if you don't play by the same rules. 

Posted by: spypeach

The hateful, shrill, endless whining from the left is despicable.  I refuse to become that which I despise.  At least until I see how awful it's going to be.  Then, I'll see.

I have no doubt that in their victory the left will be just as hateful and despicable as ever.

48 >>I'd rather not see conservatives go down that road.<<

Roger that. You spend the "next four years like you spent the last four," and you're going to be crying in your beer in 2012, too.

I would rather see conservatives go down that road. Then again, I haven't acquired a taste for the bit and snaffle.

49 I'm not gonna develop any derangement, but I will note that having Obama win hasn't exactly cured some on the left from their disease. They're still spewing bile. Amid Oprah's declaration that we're all purple now, the left still appears unhinged this morning.

50 What about the MSM? Somethings has got to be done about them.

51 Hey, here's a silver lining.  The media can't spin every fucking thing that goes wrong against the Republicans any more.  Sure, they'll try, but they'll fail.  Whatever goes wrong for the next couple years (at least) falls right in the Dems' laps, and the media can't deny it.  Maybe they'll just stop reporting completely.  Oh, wait...they already have.  Never mind.

52 What about the MSM? Somethings has got to be done about them.

Starve them.  Cancel subscriptions, boycott major advertisers, etc. 

53 They stole the election. His presidency will be illegitimate. Obama will be treated like the commander-in-thief that he is.

54 robtron12, We should vet the media, just like Ace suggested.

55 SOLD! Righteous loathing it is!

56 I despise this man.  He is not my president.  There are two things I really want to say, but they are really in bad taste (I mean, really, really bad taste).  So I won't.

But suffice it to say, I can't get this feeling of doom out of my mind.  My family is originally from Eastern Europe (I was born in the US), and both of my grandfathers were thrown into labor camps because of the type of people Zero calls his mentors and teachers.

One grandfather was hauled away for having a Jewish surname (although he was catholic), and this was during WW II.  The other grandfather was put into a re-education camp for being an "enemy of the workers" or whatever it was those communist cocksuckers called it that time.  This was after WWII when the USSR occupied all of eastern Europe.  The situation was bad enough that my parents left and came to the US in the 1950s. 

Zero spits on my heritage with his views.  He cheers for those evil men who would subjugate everyone else just to cling to power.

I hope he chokes on his arugula.  Bastard.

57 Fight Obama tooth and nail...but hate and stop the MEDIA.
They need to be vetted and hung out to dry. These blogs should push a boycott and attack them at every turn. They need to be defeated.
Elvis

58 Screw that, they turned Bush's name into mud because he didn't fight back. That, in turn, tarnished the Republican name(with the help of alot of RINO's) and voila, the Cook County Democrats now hold the keys to the kingdom.

Come early afternoon on January 20th I'll be the one with the bullhorn yelling, "where's bin Laden?!!"*


*Well, not really. But you know what I mean.

59 The media can't spin every fucking thing that goes wrong against the Republicans any more.

They fuck they can't.  Did you miss how everything Pelosi and Reid fucked up was the fault of the Republicans?  We're looking at that squared.

60 Hot news flash, the BDS WORKED. I will give the Obamination exactly, precisely the same slack Kos and HuffPost gave Bush. I'm with spypeach and railwriter and Vic. Except the sweat off Vic's balls is far, far more than the Obamination deserves.

61

the left did it the chicago way

 

we brought  a knife to a gun fight

 

never again

62 I agree that we don't need to stoop to the level of the Liberals and resort to the same type of unhinged behavior that they have displayed for the last 8 years, but I also don't think we need to "reach across the aisle" as some would say. We need to, as conservatives, be ready to propose better ideas to the American people when the Democrats try and ram bad legislation and socialist policies (because you know its coming) down our throats.

A new "Contract for America" except this time we need to make sure that our own conservative/republicans don't get drunk with power and step out of line.

63 There is a major difference between us and the left. No riots broke out last night. We are not like them and never will be.

64

"I love this country too much to do to President-Elect Obama what the left did to President Bush, John McCain and Sarah Palin. We're better than that."

"I'm willing to be respectful until he does something to lose it. I'm thinking about a month."

Exactly on both counts. I'll give the man props if he does something I agree with and criticism if he doesn't. Simple as that.

Based on what I know of him thus far, however, Obama will botch it.

65

The trolls gloatin' around the interwebs are all PeeWee from Porky's.

They woke up all excited this morning...anxious to measure their boners. Just SOOOOO sure they would be bigger.

Alas...

Sorry fellas. Look, Obama's got seas to lower and shit. Super-Fly Black Commie Jesus is really busy.

He'll try and miracle all your peckers sometime during his third term.

66 How about an opposition research project? It is scandalous how poorly the McCain campaign and the Republican party in general performed in this regard.

67

He is Risen...

The Political Beast rises out of the sea...

Sorry i'm not in the mood for cake today.

 

68 Oh, do any of you have a link to that clip of Hillary Clinton screeching about criticism of the President being patriotic?  I don't have it bookmarked.

69 For me this was more about the MSM than who became president. Is there a fund to pay PIs to start this vetting process. I would like to cancell all of my subscriptions and put the money towards that.

70 I'm tremendously interested now to see if the truth about Obama now comes out:.

1.  The Khalidi Jew Bash tape- will the LAT or someone else finally release it?

3.  Ayers ghostwriting DOMF- I never believed this but the recent independent computational analysis lends a lot of credence to the theory.

3.  Massive Obama Campaign Finance Fraud and evidence of Foreign Donations

71 No one's going to touch the fraudulent campaign donations.

72 @ 34,

Absolutely.  My only hope is that these new (uninformed) voters who graced us with their presence this year either actually get interested in issues and policy, or return to their sofas, cheetos, and sitcoms.

Why people think it is so wonderful for "new" voters to enter the arena is beyond me.  The average voter is ignorant and uninformed.  People that have to be dragged to the polls must be even more so.

73 Remember, Congress has a single-digit approval rating for a reason.  2010, here we come.  We can rebuild him.  We have the technology.

74

I too will not demonize Obama.  He is our President.  This is a democracy and the people have made thier choice.  I will certainly disagree with him and fight for my conservative values.  i will also spend the time being a Dad and looking for ways to pay less taxes.

The left villified George Bush...as did the media.  It will be interesting to see how they handle Obama when he screws up royally.

75 I will give him the same respect that Bush was given, no more, no less.
I am inclined to agree with this.

I don't think the Fairness Doctrine can stand with this Supreme Court.
Depends on what side of the bed Kennedy gets out of that day.

76 For those of you who think that the media is going to let up:

Put. Down. The. Bong.

We're in flight from the field, and they're the cavalry, spitting the fleeing on their lances. Every GOP officeholder who was embattled on any given issue is about to get horsefucked.

This win for them only makes policing up the stragglers that much easier--when they're taking a break from handfucking The One.

77 What about the MSM? Somethings has got to be done about them.

That is fairly simple. Quit funding them. Here is a handy little chart for you- http://www.neatorama.com/2008/07/07/who-owns-what-on-television/

Their "news networks" like CNN and MSNBC do not make any money. The companies that own them use the money they make off of their other cable TV channels to fund them. So if you cancel your cable TV subscription and in the case of GE quit buying their other products you cut the money out from under them. Eventually it will get to the point where even they realize that they can no longer afford to prop up these "news channels".

Of course the Democrats will probably then decide that the government needs to finance them for the "common good".

78 They fuck they can't.  Did you miss how everything Pelosi and Reid fucked up was the fault of the Republicans?  We're looking at that squared.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 05, 2008 11:04 AM (x5Q9Y)

The Dems will have a lock on both houses in Congress and the White House.  Even the idjit voters will see through the bullshit spun by the Axis of Taxes (Reid/Pelosi/Obama).

79 No Mr. Nice Guy - no respect - no quarter. The war has already been declared on us, you can pretend it's not there, but that doesn't make it go away. All the pundits can now pander to save their ass, going on and on about "give him a chance" and "isn't he something." This man and his party are cancer. And in reality it is they who are racist.

80 The Obama Economic Depression is coming.

81 "Yeah but they sure made that BDS work for 'em, didn't they? We're better than that...sure. And look where we are."

But if winning means becoming as slimy as they are, I don't know if it's worth it.

I say we concentrate on fixing our own little red wagon, and oppose the Democrats at every turn when they're wrong.

"What about the MSM? Somethings has got to be done about them."

Ignore them. Work around them. Republicans won 5 presidential elections in the last 28 years in the face of MSM hostility. It can be done.

82

What if he tries to pull a "Hugo" on us? Can we hate him then?

You seem to think this guy will follow the rules; after watching his campaign break just about every election law on the books I don't think he'll feel constrained by the Constitution one bit.

 

 

 

83 I'm more inclined to agree with people denouncing the "take the high road" pap.

The left went batshit crazy for 8 years and now they have ALL the levers of power and culture in this country: 1 party government, education, university, broadcast and print media, television, movies.

The "moral high ground" is becoming a graveyard, guys.

84 This is truly the Land of Opportunity, where even an unaccomplished less-than-one-term Senator can be elected to the highest office.

On the plus side, true singlepayer healthcare and free tuition means I'm bailing on the workforce.  I have enough to join the leisure-poor now, if those costs are eliminated.

Magic Ponies for all!

85 I guess the only good thing is that Andy didn't sleep well last night.

86

I think I get what Slu is saying - for myself, I have no respect for a man who couldn't even get a security clearance to be a janitor at the Pentagon due to his past associations, yet somehow gets to be in the White House.  Though he ran a good campaign, in the sense that he stayed relentlessly on message (as vapid as it was), raised a ton of money (much of it illegal and after promising to take public financing) and turned out his voters (many of them illegal, dead or multiple), he really does not have the experience to be President, and he got the job because of the color of his skin and his ability to deliver a pretty speech.  And also the lack of credible alternatives and a pretty decent gut instinct on the part of some Dems that the country didn't really want President Clinton v.2.0.  As to the election  itself - the margin of victory was great enough that the results cannot be credited to ACORN shennanigans, though they surely increased the spread and may very well have cost Ohio and Virginia.

Anyway, while I plan to give President Obama the same support and respect his supporters have given Bush, I have no plans to emulate the left by turning myself into a twisted knot of bile and hate - frankly Obama's not worth it.

87 "Then, the team starts losing.  The band-wagoner feels let down, and a little silly for getting so worked up in the first place. The hats and jerseys stay in the closet.  They turn the channel to something else when the game is on.  If they talk about the team at all, it's to complain about how shitty they are and how the coach needs to get canned.  And as quickly as they jumped on the band-wagon, they've jumped off."

Shit, you mean we just elected the dallas cowboys to run the country?

88

There is a major difference between us and the left. No riots broke out last night. We are not like them and never will be.

Yeah, where the hell were the victory riots?  No, woohoo, we won, let's turn over some cars and break some windows, set some shit on fire?  Pikers.

89

There's a major difference between fighting hard for what we believe in and the disgusting hatred the left specializes in.  I'd rather not see conservatives go down that road.

Exactly.

Fight hard, but don't fight dirty. I despise the lefties who are pure haters. I don't want to become one.

 

Phil

 

 

 

90 So what happens with Sarah Palin?

91 #56 - Hallelujah and amen to that, brother. The left ranted and raved about the klan and aryan nations and gun owners taking over. They are the ones that have done it, or are in prime position to do it.

I read that if they get a 75% majority in 2010, they can call for a Constitutional Convention and in essence, rip it up and start over again. They may be so drunk with power that they might actually abolish the 2nd amendment (right after the 1st, I'd wager).

My parting words to those who voted for this guy, paraphrasing Oliver Cromwell to King Charles, "Sir, do you realize, by your actions here today, you have brought this nation to the brink of civil war?!"

Am I deranged? NAH!

92 Dow down -144 I hope it goes down all the way down today. I've already lost my ass, now i'm just being spiteful.

93 Whatever it takes ... cancel everything with the media.
Turn off and cancel your damn TV. Cancel all mag and newspaper subscription. We can show them what fairness Doctrine is starting RIGHT NOW!!!!!

94 I will allow him absolutely no slack...none.  I plan to defer any income over whatever level this clown ends up raising taxes on.  Support the Senate when they filibuster his idiotic plans.  Filibuster judges, whats good for the dems is good for us. 

Strip the RNC and start over.  They suck.

Investigate the shit out of these question marks.  Birth certificate, find it.  Tape bashing jews, find it.  Columbia/Occidental records, find them.  LSAT's, find them.  Harvard admission records, find them.  True author of First book, find him (only need to go a few blocks away for that.)

MSM must go.  This is a disgrace.  Investigate ACORN and vote fraud!  Do it through private organizations if necessary.

95 "So what happens with Sarah Palin?"

Maybe she gets the last laugh, eventually. Here's to hopenchange.

96 How do we regain rule-of-law control of the election process? Election commissions, low-level judges, voter registration, campaign financing, media access. There is ZERO incentive for them to give all that up. I'm not sure what 'fight' means in this context.

The voters in Pennsylvania vote for the people who slandered them multiple times? How do you fight that?

97 "I'm simply saying that in our zeal to defeat him and his policies, we shouldn't go overboard and turn into the shrill hatemongers we have spent the last eight years despising."

::applause::

98

Funny how our side keeps being magnanimous, gracious, courteous and respectful and we keep getting a big FU.      So I can't see how continuing to be magnanimous, gracious, courteous and respectful will get us anything else.   They hate us, they want to trample our freedoms, and they won't ever, ever stop until we are all dead.    Count on that, and never forget that.

99 Anyone got any "Had enough? Should of voted Republican" bumper stickers or know where I can find any?

100 Just remember I said call me in a year and tell me how well this election works out for us. I don't believe he will pay our mortgages, gas, groceries and power bills. The Democrat fatcats will be richer and we will foot the bill. Let me know how national security is in 6 months.

101 My wife became a citizen last year and this was her first election. I can't tell you how proud I was to help her get through the local ballots (on the phone). She had no problem punching in for McCain. She enthusiastically voted R because she gets what this country was founded on and for. She also reminded me that as citizens we must show the respect to the office that is due. *Gritting Teeth, spitting through them* Well, okay.

How much you want to bet he'll NEVER be called, "Mr. Obama" like Pres. Bush has been called by everyone? No, it will be, "His Holiness Mr. Honorable President, SIR!" (Insert ball-licking here)

We'll see.

102 "The voters in Pennsylvania vote for the people who slandered them multiple times? How do you fight that?"

Govern like Republicans when given the opportunity, instead of drunken-sailor-Democrats-in-disguise.

103 The Dems will have a lock on both houses in Congress and the White House.  Even the idjit voters will see through the bullshit spun by the Axis of Taxes

The idjit voters couldn't pick Pelosi out of a line-up if she were the only chick in the mix.  Jon Stewart and Matt Damon and Sean Puffy Diddy Whosit will tell them it's the Republicans' fault, Katie Couric will agree, and they'll believe it.

104

You know, tho... there is one good thing about an Obama presidency.

I have a six year old boy.

He will grow up in a world without threats.  When I was a kid, Reagan was president, and everywhere I looked, someone was telling me, watch out kid!  There could be a nuclear war any SECOND!  Watch out kid!  Anyone can be homeless-- even you, any time, any where!  Watch out kid!  ANYONE can get aids!  Anyone!  Any time!

As a result, I grew up kinda a wreck.  For a time, I was afraid of planes flying overhead, lest they be bombers.  My nieces and nephews grew up under Clinton and have no real hangups.

So my son will grow up in a world where there's no real problems.  I told him this morning that the good news is, people won't be trying to draw his attention to the world's problems.  The bad news is, there might be enough problems that you will probably notice them yourself.

But the main problem I have with the democrats is that there's no opposite press.  That's bad for democracy.

But probably good for the psyche of my son.

 

105 I agree, Slu.

And my politics will end at the water's edge. I won't undermine the CinC when our troops are in harm's way. Which is what the Dems did, BTW, and for which I will NEVER forgive them. Criticism, yes. Demonization, no.

Since he ran on being a new kind of healing politician, I'm going to hold him to that. There's no way he can keep that promise, so he's going to get 4 years of grief about that from me. And that's just to start with. They're accountable for everything now, and I'm going to hound them for every screw-up and broken promise.

106

Though I was against Obama's election and hope he is thwarted at every turn, I was moved by what Michael Irvin (of Dallas Cowboy fame) had to say this morning on Mike and Mike (I paraphrase):

I remember seeing my people celebrating – celebrating! – the O.J. Simpson verdict.  Two people dead, and they’re celebrating.  It makes me cringe to think about it.  But they were so hungry for a victory of any kind.  Last night, I saw a real celebration for a real victory.

107 The people of PA and OH get what they deserve .... Murtha et al ... when your economy really goes bad, don't come whining to the rest of us.

108 Republicans and conservatives, in general, are far too comfortable with being in the minority and out of power--and self-righteously proclaiming that "at least we didn't sink to the level of the Democrats".

Exhibit A:  John McCain.

"They didn't sink to their opponents' level" will look nice on the GOP's tombstone.

Play to win, or lose.  No middle ground.

109 This take the high road shit is depressing. What do you think that will accomplish? Seriously, go ahead and pat yourself on the back for doing it, but it doesn't help anything. The left isn't going to change, they have gotten everything they want by playing dirty, why on earth would they stop now. Jesus.

110 I don't particularly hate Obama, but I have a deep abiding hate for every last motherfucking shit-eating cocksucker who voted for him because they think he's going to fix all their problems and pay their way through life, and I'm going to take intense pleasure in laughing at them when they realize their stupid miserable grasping lives still suck ass, no matter how much they chant his name or hope instead of changing.

Heather that is called the unrealistic expectations of the youth vote, who still believe in fairy tales. Let's see if they are as excited about Obama in 2 to 4 years. He is the FIRST BLACK president, which means he has lot of pressure to deliver and made a lot of promises that frankly is not going to be able to keep the DEMS still do not have a filibuster proof Senate.

111 We need to start an anti-Obama movement now.

I suggest we start mass-producing a simple but effective slogan for bumper stickers and t-shirts:

NOBAMA

112 Bipartisanship?  Obama?  Ya, right!

113

Obama ran a better center-right campaign, however disingenuous, than Maverick ran.  When The One's tack back to the far Left begins, grab a railing and make sure you have your barf bags.  Fake, but victorious.

McCain tried to out-change, cap-n'-trade, and economic stimulus a real socialist.  How about pointing out how stupid "change" is as a slogan?  What about noting the sun's effect on global "warming"?  Or remembering the economy is cyclical, stupid?  A - "conservative"? - lost on the tax cut issue in this election.  How... Does... THAT... Happen?  Maverick, but the worst communicator ever.      

Oh, death to goddam America!  And thanks.    

114

Posted by: The President-Elect at November 05, 2008 11:20 AM (n5Hoa) ,

case in point.

115 Remember the names of every RINO, moderate, suck up, progressive, socially liberal Republican that co-opts this socialist nonsense. They need to be purged, majorities be damned...

116 We can see what being magnanimous has gotten us. The guys at the Lexington and Concord - not so much magnanimosity.

117 3 "We're better than that."

Maybe if we weren't, this wouldn't have happened.  Just thinkin.

Maybe if we nominated a conservative we would have won.  Maybe if Republicans governed as conservatives we would have won.  Maybe if we were better at getting our message out in a sober, serious, consistent way we would have won. 

118 "Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is."

-Clint (In some movie)

119 We need to start an anti-Obama movement now.

I suggest we start mass-producing a simple but effective slogan for bumper stickers and t-shirts:

NOBAMA

I suggest "Don't blame me, I voted for Palin."

120 Hunker down, boys. It's gonna be a long, cold winter.

121 Sorry, I hate terrorists and friends of terrorists.  That's reason enough.  I'll hate him even more when people needlessly die during another terrorists attack because he's weak.  He'as as much of the problem as his policies.  I fought for this country hard, and seen Marines give everything for love of country. He tears it down every chance he gets.  Fuck him. I hate him.

122

pool time -

when will bill ayers sleep in the white house?

i am taking valentines day 2009 - barry will want to 'heart' his mentor.

123

Although I have much respect for the office, I have no respect for the man. I have no respect for his ill-informed following. I have no respect for the sheep who said in interviews, without any question from "journalists", that they voted for Obama just because he is half black. I am just bewildered at the direction this country is headed.

124

@72

The band-wagon voter will begin to jump when, instead of getting checks from the U.S. Treasury, he keeps getting these weird things in the mail called "mortgage bills."  When he approaches the register after filling up the tank, the clerk actually expects him to pay.  If he is lucky, his employer keeps him but stops matching 401(k) contributions.  If he's not lucky, he gets canned while the employer downsizes to offset increased corporate taxes.  It will take time for this to sink in, but it will

125 I'm not suggesting we reach across the aisle and embrace bipartisanship, or roll over for The One and give him what he wants. No way. I'm simply saying that in our zeal to defeat him and his policies, we shouldn't go overboard and turn into the shrill hatemongers we have spent the last eight years despising.

Agreed. We shouldn't go overboard and ruin our credibility. However, we already know that the media is against us and now the Senate, The House, and the Presidency will be working against us (Conservatism) and we need to be prepared for that. If we really want to bring Conservatism back to America we need to go about this in a civilized manner, but that does not mean that we have to compromise our beliefs or sacrifice our morals in hopes of finding favor with the democrats.

We need to put forward Conservative alternatives. Not "moderate" compromises that force us to redefine our own beliefs.

126

When you fight by rules and the other guy doesn't, pretty damn hard to win. How much of the matrgin was fraud? We'll never know.

127

How's this for compromise:

I don't hate him or anyone who voted for him, but I think a government that embraces infanticide, "the fairness doctrine," "card check," confiscation of guns, onerous tax regulations, the mockery of a man who dreams of owning his own business, and representation without taxation has abdicated its duty to protect our rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  It is my duty, therefore, to see the downfall of this government and the creation of one that does its damn job. 

I think we have a pretty good laundry list to put on the parchment.  Buy guns.  And ammo.

128 107 The people of PA and OH get what they deserve .... Murtha et al ... when your economy really goes bad, don't come whining to the rest of us.

But will the Conservatives stand up and make the noise the libs have and point the appropriate fingers of blame to make accusations stick? That has been one my major peeves, and it's time we quit laying down and letting them walk over us.

You KNOW they're poised to continue the 'Blame Republicans for Everything' game they've mastered these years. Screw that. Take Obama's advice and "get in their faces", damn it!

129

Our lives. Our fortunes. Our sacred honor.

I keep thinking about those words from Thomas Jefferson today.
And I’m afraid that this is what it might come down to…
In the meantime, God grant me the strength and wisdom to do what is right for my faith, my family and my country.

130

My husband said this morning that he was going to give the guy a chance to screw up before hiw starts trashing him.  I'm thinking it's not going to take that long.

The photoshop of MosesObama made me laugh.  First time in about 12 hours. 

I have to go to a funeral today.  The mood fits.

131 119
Why do i get the image of Al Bundy "wearing a NO'MAM" T-shirt?

132 Why are conservatives so upset?  To me this is GREAT news.  The best thing for the conservative movement in the 20th century was Jimmy Carter, a President so inept that he made liberalism a dirty word for decades and lead to Ronald Reagan.  We now have the black Jimmy Carter in office, and a clown brigade about to enter the Senate, including Al Franken.  The best part is....NO REPUBLICANS TO BLAME.  If McCain won, he'd either be compromising too much or he'd be getting all his ideas blocked by the Democrat Congress, which would then turn around and blame him when THEIR ideas went wrong, and the media would adopt that narrative, turning him into another Bush.  Fuck it, let's leave liberalism on display for the world to see.  The best thing is to give America the liberalism it wants until it is crying and can't take anymore of it.  I was quite happy with last night's election results.

133 112 Bipartisanship?  Obama?  Ya, right!

It was either Rush or Steyn or Levin (can't remember) who said when Pelosi says this congress will be more bipartisan, she is using the media/Democrat definition.  To them, bipartisan means Republicans doing things Democrats want.  And by that definition they might be right, since they'll need fewer squishy GOPers to go along.

134 Does anyone know if there is a way to verify your vote?  Is there is a list somewhere with my name on it in the McCain column?

I am highly skeptical of the low GOP turnout claim.  What if the play was to have us be on the lookout for voter fraud (ala ACORN) when the real move was to trash a portion of the ballots from registered Republicans?

Doing so deflects any charges of fraud because "we had a low turnout anyway."  Additionally, it serves to demoralize and fracture us further as we debate who is to blame.

Think about it.

135 Watching the coming disaster of the Obama administrationis akin to watching your mother-in-law drive over a cliff in your new car. I agree we are better then taht but the way the opposition treated Bush the past 8 years was totally disgusting and I will give them the same benefit of the doubt they gave him.

Given his age and Mavericky tendencies I agree, a McCain administration would not have bee too successful not with a Dem. Senate and House and the media circling over head.

136

Exactly.

Fight hard, but don't fight dirty. I despise the lefties who are pure haters. I don't want to become one.

 

Phil

 Ever actually try to fight a clean fight against an actual dirty fighter? Don't work so good.

But hey, while the Doc is surgically re-attaching your nutsack and the nurses are swabbing the bite marks on your neck, you can get a tear in your remaining eye, thinking of how very fucking noble you are.

137 Heather that is called the unrealistic expectations of the youth vote

I don't think we can blame this completely on "youth."  Large swaths of America want their comfortable journey through life all-expenses-paid.

My own college-educated white-collar thirty-something acquaintances are ecstatic about O's free gubbament healthcare.  Co-pays cut into the tattoo and anime funds.

138

Stitches:

I agree in part re blaming Dems.  The most important thing for the GOP to do in Congress is build a case against Dems for the collapse of Fannie/Freddie.  Relentlessly....Waxman's hearings are a place to start.

The GOP also has to do everything it can to push Obama's stupid ass to not fumble away the gains of the late Bush years in Iraq and worldwide against terror.  Maybe Hagel will do that...i pray.

139

T. AKA Ricky Raw

True but still kind of crappy that we'll have to experience 4 years of this crap.

140

will the Conservatives stand up and make the noise the libs have and point the appropriate fingers of blame to make accusations stick?

I'm sick of being nice.  We need to get loud and obnoxious.  Like at a football game.  Or the Day After Thanksgiving Shopping Day.

141

Enough with the blasphfemy already! There is but one true Messiah, and I have a feeling He is coming back real soon.

 

And fuck taking the high ground. Fight dirty. ObamaStalinChickenPeacenickGlobalWarmingFascistCommieFuck!

142

I did enough sounding off last night.

As a student, a poor one at that, of history...I see some bad shit coming down the pike, at a 110 per...

Fuck.

143 Let's all agree to never nominate another Senator, and especially one who delights in comity and reaching across the aisle. We'll be much better served nominating a proven political pugilist. It's too bad we didn't nominate Guiliani or Romney.

144

Going into a cocoon is not the answer, how about this nightmare scenario. 

The One won't do anything rash immediately but use his term of office to consolidate power.  The glow is still on and he won't give anyone excuses to vote differently in the 2010 midterms.  The MSM will be filled with upbeat stories and everyone will be happy.

Meanwhile he'll consolidate power, appoint new Supreme Court judges, new federal judges, how about a Jennifer Brunner in every swing state, ACORN will entrench everywhere.  Unions who have been dealing with declining memberships will see a resurgence after The One gave them everything they want, Walmart won't stay union free forever.  His backers are paitient and methodical, they'll lay the groundwork for years of uninterrupted power.  We just had the last real election of our lives. 

Expect The One to signal his intentions with a round of well-received international trips, treaties will be signed and we'll have peace in our time.  Expect Koyoto, International Criminal Court, international arms control and all such will be signed and ratified. 

There won't be any terror attacks against us soon.  The Islamic Terrorsts will hold fire and let The One do their dirty work for them.  Wouldn't want any rash attacks to glavanize the American people.

With a de facto non-aggression pact, the Islamic Terrorits will be free to concentrate on Europe and the rest of the world.  Iran will have the bomb and many more.  With America out of the fight how soon will Europe and the rest of the world surrender to Islamic Terrorism.

Expect the new Israeli government to see the light and sign away their future.  Merely the threat of nuclear extinction will cause Israelis to abandon their country and become the new boat people.  Irag, Afghanistan and the whole Middle East will degenerate to into Taliban and Al-Qaeda havens.

With The One in firm control domestically and our military neutered by budget cuts and zero re-enlistment, the rest of the world will cave in to Islamic Terrorists and we'll enter a new dark ages.

Still want to pull up a pillow and go to sleep.

 

 

145 If he fundamentally hurts this country, I *will* hate him.

146 98

You got it right. A lot of people around here think all that John Wayne honorable-death-speech nonsense carries some water. With anyone but themselves.

Right.

All you folks busy breaking your arms patting yourselves on the backs for being so dignified and decent, please step aside; those of us who don't care to go through this again have some heavy lifting to do. Stiff upper lip and "loyal opposition" ain't gonna cut any ice, fellas.

147 Heather-Sad but true.  Robert Heinlein was onto something when he said American democracy will only truly be at risk of extinction when a majority of the voters become convinced they can vote themselves free money....sadly we are there...........

148 But hey, while the Doc is surgically re-attaching your nutsack and the nurses are swabbing the bite marks on your neck, you can get a tear in your remaining eye, thinking of how very fucking noble you are.

Okay, that was funny.

149 This election proved one thing: Rush is right.  When you run real conservatives and they run as conservatives, they win even when the RNC shivs them (Michelle Bachman).  When you run a RINO vs. a Democrat, people choose the Democrat (McCain, Dole, Coleman, etc).  Why go for the inferior imitation?

150

Fuck this "above the fray" bullshit.  The Leviathan has slipped its leash and everyone wants to pat it on the head and say "nice doggie."

151 I'm feeling a lot less generous today as well, I think i'll be tipping the minimum 15% instead of 20%. I think I will sell my unwanted items instead of giving them away. My mailman will get a nice card this year for Christmas instead of cash. I will have to hold on to every dollar I earn so that when obama starts to spread it around i'll have enough left to feed my kids.

152

Fight nice? WTF! Fight to Win, whatever it takes. Nice guys finish last. Wake up.

 

153

slublog, good sound of reason, everyone is telling me to let go as well...let go and go on, just 2 years from now, word will come out who will be the next to lead, cause I seriously doubt obama will accomplish anything, the only thing to hope for is that the obama admin will not do anything to really change the heart of our country/govt.

my husband is happy that the election is over, no matter the outcome cause he believes he'll get his wife back to concentrate on what mattered before this story---inturn I believe what comes around goes around, and obama made alot of packs with alot of devils who are expecting payback....the jolly in watching that play out will make up for his win. slublog, thanks for the perspective.

154 Question is . . . who will Obama pick for a running mate in 2012?

155 I want my mother fucking unicorn.

156 79 Rob said it right.

I have no charitable feelings for the Marxist who'll be in the White House. 

In fact, I think the photo of him giving the 'fuck you' sign to McCain sums it up perfectly: 

Right back at ya, Barry!

157 What you guys need to remember is that we win in the long run (as long as we're focused and not hysterical).  Why?  Because we are right.  That is all that we need. 

Conservatism is closer to the nature of man and the principles of this country than some giant mommy state.  We shouldn't need much more than a strong argument (which we've been missing for years).

I said it somewhere else this morning, Obama has zero accomplishments.  He has never actually done anything except draw a paycheck.  So there is a chance that he won't change much now.  In that case, we'll be ok. 

It is possible that the only thing that kept him in check was his higher aspirations, but maybe he will focus on a 2nd term and be a do-nothing president.

We'll see.

158 Enough with the blasphemy already!

I'm also getting sick of it.

I'd rather see more realistic photoshops such as Nobama yukking it up with Osama bin Laden and Bill Ayers. Or Nobama in a nazi uniform.

159

155 I want my mother fucking unicorn.

OMG, thanks for making me laugh, that was great.

160

What happened to all the polls being complete bullshit, as we were repeatedly assured for the last several weeks?

Cf. YRM at October 29, 2008 11:22 AM (004wR): "i live in FL, TRUST ME FL is staying red, here's the last couple times FL has gone blue, notice how rare it goes blue: 96, 76, 64, & 48."

"NH the place that made McCain in the primaries and the obama campaign has been open it might lose? yeah right"

"OH where Joe the Plumber is? nope, staying red"

"Pennsylvania... so the fact Obama is campaigning there relentlessly the last week means it's safe for him right? destroyed that too"

Cf. ms. docweasel at November 04, 2008 10:54 AM (SOSlE): "I have an optimism I can't explain. I just feel, deep in my gut, that we are going to prevail. I don't even feel it's a Hail Mary or a long-shot, I feel it as if it were a certainty, that I know this country, and the drumbeat of small stories has begun to peel away Obama's mask in the perfect time-frame: the last couple of weeks, when people are really listening. I feel that many many many people are going to make up their mind when they stare at that touch screen or punch card of pencil card, and they are going to go McCain, the solid, honest, decent man, rather than the hip, glib, urbane slickster who hates them and hates America and everything it stands for."

"I think the biggest upset in modern history is going to go down, and with it every pollster (never again will they be given the slightest credence, as everyone will be able to point to this election) and the MSM and the pundits, and the false Republicans like Powell and Will and Noonan and Co. and the fly-over people, exemplified in Palin, will win. I just can't see her and McCain losing."

Cf. VRWC Agent at November 04, 2008 11:51 AM (o2slJ): "this thing is going to break HUGE for McCain.  This is going to be awesome, people!"

Cf. titus at November 04, 2008 10:27 AM (O/3jX): "Pennsylvania, Missouri, Minnisota,maybe California will go Red"

I'm no Obama fan but it occurs to me that maybe y'all are not the best possible prognosticators.

161
Four years of Lolcats, Freecell and xanax.

I guess it could be worse.

162

#20

Kidney is right!

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Hell no!  This calls for something really stupid, like bending over and taking it up the ass of the MSM?

No, damn it! 

We need to learn what the left has learned, THIS IS WAR!

They are fighting over YOUR money.  Wake the fuck up, or you will be sitting around wondering how we lost it all, like the lazy SOB's have in Venezuela.

Start TODAY.  We need to plan and plan and plan.  We need to sue every MFer who regesters dead people we need to work NOW, before "The One" packs the courts, like again, in Venezuela. 

We are close to losing it all to the maxist.  Don't for a minute think they don't want all your shit, they do.

Kemp

163 Fair's fair Slub: I won't hate Obama unless he does something to merit that hatred. Now let's see…

How about voting three times to allow babies that survive an abortion to be left to die in a bucket in the corner of some hospital store cupboard? And then lying repeatedly about his votes.

How about spending years sucking the dick of a man who built bombs designed to murder American soldiers and their dates? Those bombs would have killed and maimed just as horifically as any IED in Mosul, or suicide car bomb in Kabul, and the man who built them has never expressed the slightest regret, and says he ‘wished he could have done more. Obama has never condemned that man in any meaningful way, and has lied repeatedly about the nature of their relationship.

Yep, I hate him – and I'm not even American, I'm English, so he's definitely not MY president. But I do have a brother serving with the British Army in Afghanistan, and as of January he and everyone else serving in Iraq or Afghanistan will ultimately be under the command of a two-faced lying narcissist who, along with others in his party, spent the last few years trying to undermine the war effort for political gain at God knows what cost; and who, when he has to take decisions that could affect the lives of hundreds of US and allied troops, and thousands of Afghan or Iraqi civilians, will do so with one eye on how his decision will 'play' at the UN, and in Paris, Berlin and London.

God help you all.

164 All this 'play nice' BS is why we fail. You cannot play a game where there are rules for you and none for your opponent. It is sad to say but unless we attack in much the same way as the Dems attacked us we will continue to lose.

165

I think i'll be tipping the minimum 15% instead of 20%.

How about not tipping at all and when some college student waitress at Applebee's whines, then tell her she can get it all from her Uncle Obie.

166

Let's face it, we got hosed. Got it. Good. Move on.

The Kos Kiddies want us crushed. Well fuck them. I'm not crushed. I'm bruised bloodied, and I feel like I fell down the stairs on my ass. But I'm not done yet.

The RNC drank the lib Kool-aid and look what it got them. Bush tried play-along-to-get-along and look what it got him.

I love Bush, but he made 2 critical errors:

1. He did not purge the governement agencies of libs. So they were in a position to stab him in the back.

2. He did not fight back. Ever. He ascribed decency and love of country to people who had niether.

People in the other thread objected to my "playing by the rules is for suckers" comment. My point is you think its bad now,  its gonna get worse. I'm not advocating abandoning our principles, I warning us of the reality of the political environment we face.

So I say fight Obama tooth and nail. Thanks to a symp media everything he touches will be golden. Unlike the left and Bush, however, we don't have to make up shit on this guy.

The fairness doctrine is probably unconstitutional, but they're gonna try to get it in, and theoreticaly they could remove it from the jurisdiction of the courts. So we need to be prepared to take action.

RINOs are acting like 2010 is a done deal. Its not. 2010 is going to be an incredibly hostile environment. In the next 2 years, you're gonna see a massive re-write of the history of the past 30 years. There's gonna be a massive systematic demonization of everything conservatism stands for. The entire government will be moved to that purpose.

We can win, but we need more Palins, and Jindals, and less McCains.

167 If you don't want to raise your blood pressure, don't go to Politico.

The comments are full of Eurotrash "welcoming us to the World", and plenty of people going, you guessed it, it will take Obama "at least all 8 years to undo the horrific damage Bush and the neocons have done to this world".

168

Techie, that is without a doubt the most powerful passage in the Old Testament.  IMO all of history is a footnote to that chapter. But you gotta read it in the King James version for it to have its full effect.

He will have your daughters as his confections.

And in that day, the LORD shall not hear you.

169

I said it somewhere else this morning, Obama has zero accomplishments.  He has never actually done anything except draw a paycheck.  So there is a chance that he won't change much now.  In that case, we'll be ok. 

Except he's going to have to pay back all the terrorists and criminals who contributed so generously to his campaign.

170 Let's all agree to never nominate another Senator, and especially one who delights in comity and reaching across the aisle. We'll be much better served nominating a proven political pugilist.

I can't agree with this strongly enough.

The US Senate is an absolute breeding ground of fools and buffoons who prize their "Senatorial collegiality" above all.

Senators rarely become presidents.  This time, of course, they were both senators, so one of them HAD to win.  McCain's been there much longer, so advantage Obama.

171 We're better than that.

Pet peeve: When did I, or others, give you the authority to speak for us? There is no "we" here. I hate these cliche ridden scolds.

I will attack his policies and I will attack the man because he lacks the character to hold the office and most jobs. He's a liar and a crook. No grace periord. He did not magically become honest or qualified over night. If you thought he was scum yesterday, and I did, then there is no reason to change your beliefs today.

I heard on the radio:
When conservatives win, we are told we much reach out to the leftards.
When leftards win, we are ordered to fall in line.

No way. No how. No obama.

172 By the way, the same lot of you who are urging us not to become like the  moonbats are the same ones who turn on your fellow Republicans and Conservatives and dish out a lot vitriol towards Christian Conservatives. (Slublog not included).

173

I have been saying this for a long time, this shit will keep up until one of two outcomes occur. Either we hold another Constitutional Convention that removes the power of the entrenched parties that continue to drift left or the country will become bankrupted and there will be blood in the streets.

 

The people have learned to vote themselves largess from the public coffers with the ones supporting that immune from the effects of taxes either because they do not pay them or they have so much wealth that they live off of dividends and still pay low taxes that do not affect their wealth. (Note that this is not from that myth about Tytler. The closest anyone came to saying that was Alexis DeToquville.)

 

We removed the barriers for mob voting when the requirement that voters own property or pay taxes was removed and we removed the “Republican” form of government with several other forms of amendments.  What is ironic about all of these changes that have doomed conservative Republicans is that Republicans were the ones who were at the forefront of these changes to begin with.

 

What we need to do is restore some kind of tax requirement for voting so that people have a stake in the system. People who do not pay taxes should not be able to vote to increase them. We need voter ID and real punishment for voter fraud. We need independent voting commissions that are not controlled by the parties. What has been going on in OH should cause someone to go to jail.

 

Sadly, none of this will occur as long as the Dems and RINOs control congress and the courts.

174

Do you "no way no how" folks REALLY want to tear this country in two? Because if you keep hating, and demand "dirty fighting" it's NOT going to get better.

Fix this country, starting with our side. Quit supporting anyone who earmarks. Quit supporting the Larry Craigs and Mark Foleys and Ted Stevenses. Quit sending them to Washington and then not holding them accountable for what they do. 

 

Keep tearing the "right" in half and get yourself two 20-percent parties; that's no recipe for success, is it? When I hear the Palin haters of the eastern conservative establishment, I cringe, and when I hear the flyover types bitching about the eastern conservative establishment, and both sides referring to the other as RINOs, I cringe. Save our own party rather than clamoring to start another. Get out of the pelvis issues and into the pocketbook ones and you're back over 50 percent.

Sheesh. It's not rocket science. Democrats can do this math; why can't Republicans.

175

I think i'll be tipping the minimum 15% instead of 20%.

How about not tipping at all and when some college student waitress at Applebee's whines, then tell her she can get it all from her Uncle Obie.

I delivered pizza and worked at Chilli's my first 2 years in college. I'd say the spread is about 60-40 lib to con in most non-ivy league colleges. Don't punish what could be the next Sarah Palin or Ronald Reagan.

BTW, worst tippers...always liberals. Always.

176

We can win, but we need more Palins, and Jindals, and less McCains.

We are in full agreement on this.

177 O made so many promises he can't possibly come near fulfilling even a small portion of them. People will only pot up with excuses for so long before they get pissed. O has set himself up for failure and I intend to be very vocal in my opinions. Last night proved that the high and honorable road only gets you praised when you lose.

178 BHO is going to be the President. And as a US citizen i have, currently, the right to bitch and complain and protest about how he runs the country if i disagree.

That gives conservatives four years to get their heads out of their asses, stop trying to play politics by the Marquis de Queensbury rules when it is clear that they no longer apply, and try again for the White House. Now is the time to start thinking and planning on who the conservative's next candidate is going to be, what the platform is going to be and organizing. After we get piss drunk on valu-rite vodka.

179 We taking any bets on how long after the inauguration before "Buyer's Remorse" sets in?  At least the new administration will have it's own comedy element to keep us amused for the next four years.

180

174

Screw You.

We didn't tear this Country in two. The liberals did.

181 By the way, the same lot of you who are urging us not to become like the  moonbats are the same ones who turn on your fellow Republicans and Conservatives and dish out a lot vitriol towards Christian Conservatives.

Speaking as one who doesn't care to see my party sink to the same level of irrational hatred we've seen from the left for these many years, I'll eagerly await examples of my having done that, you sanctimonious little twerp.

182

I think i'll be tipping the minimum 15% instead of 20%.

How about not tipping at all and when some college student waitress at Applebee's whines, then tell her she can get it all from her Uncle Obie.

I delivered pizza and worked at Chilli's my first 2 years in college. I'd say the spread is about 60-40 lib to con in most non-ivy league colleges. Don't punish what could be the next Sarah Palin or Ronald Reagan.

BTW, worst tippers...always liberals. Always.

I'm ordering carry out.  No more restaurants for me.

183 It appears the polls were right, with a healthy dose of fraud thrown in, yet it is stunning that McCain lost Indiana, a state Bush won by twenty. While I know there was rampant fraud - 20 point change? That and the rest of the results make me doubt that we live in a center-right country. The media (basically a hitlerian propoganda piece), illegal immigration, the slacker generation, educational indoctrination etc may have truly changed the electorate. I really am not sure a real conservative can win unless we have some kind of crisis. These people want a nanny state.

184 Call me kooky, but I will not respect, or give any quarter to a lying scumbag of a marxist POS. He is the president I couldn't give a rat's ass about of a country I barely recognize. He can go fuck himself. Like other posters said, I will give him exactly the respect the ass sucking left gave Bush..and like it.

185

HEY

 

i have been a recent visitor and i do thank you for the hard work on the site...which has been excellent.  but really, give me a friggin break with you save the UNION crapola. we are now ruled by a socialist thug-our first hip-hop prez-dig !!!!

show me a good sport and i'll show you a dead sport.  what did it for me was the MAC and his friggin defeat speech. what a RINO. this guy from square one was all about LEGACY. did you see him clam up when B HO started to break out the KEATING FIVE tapes.  sure...no racist remarks from ole John...he's got 4 paragraphs of his OBIT writen and didn't need  negative dirt in PARA 5.

Palin saved his sorry ass multiple times.  don't you remember when Michelle M, and other were telling him to ''fight-john-fight.  this crap to a war vet and POW hero...naaaa. cue twenty bars of the Twlight Zone theme.

look at how rudy took it to B HO with the ''community organizer'' stuff. never a beep from MAC in a shout that would make Axerold piss. no sir, this RINO was all for his legacy and big wahington vip farewell dinner when he gets dumped from the senate, next race.

i am sick...i live in the middle east and can hear the sucking of chops sound from Hamas and other assholes. i'm not a Jew, but man if i was i would be very afraid for Israel...i would probably be crying. yo... think this ''poverty pimp'' won't sell our ally down the tube...ask his dead granny !!!!!

186

Rob,

I think you may be right. Especially about educational indoctrination.

187 Should I take my cues for how to behave the next 4 years from my Liberal friends? (may a merciful God make it just 4 years) Do as they did the last 8 years, demonize Obama as the next Hitler and hope for his untimely demise? (oh God, President Joe Biden?) If you have any friends in Israel, you might want to advise them to get the hell out of Dodge. And if the Iraqi's are wondering how this will play out, all they have to do is look at what happened in South East Asia after we bailed out on Viet Nam. 2.5 million dead in the re-education camps and killing fields, and 30 years under the boot heel of Communism. Funny how the Dems point to that as a great "accomplishment". The worst part is that it's likely Obama will appoint 2 or more Supreme Court Justices. That's not something our Constituiton is likely to survive. Oh well, we had a great 232 year run, didn't we?

188

Do you "no way no how" folks REALLY want to tear this country in two?

I don't think fighting for right is hating.  Even the Bible says, "Be angry and sin not."  Righteous anger can give you the courage to do or say what is necessary when you may otherwise be afraid to do so.  What happened to the Jewish people practically every time some lunatic dictator herded them up to put them to death or into slavery?  They were docile and cooperative.  What did that do for them?  Made the lunatics job easier!

No, we will NOT go quietly into the night!

189

I haven't read to the end of the thread yet, but keep something in mind:  The Kos Kiddies and their ilk had to rant, rave and scream for YEARS to bring about this result, and even then they could only accomplish it with a helpful media environment.  We have neither the time nor the infrastructure to try to copy that playbook.

Target the man's actual deeds, and hammer them relentlessly.  This will provide a target-rich environment as it is. 

190
I'm going to make an Obama scarecrow every single day for the next four years and burn each fucking one of those effigies every night in my front yard.

191 You're right, we shouldn't beat up our new Prez.

But a few "love taps" go a long way.

192

I'm going to make an Obama scarecrow every single day for the next four years and burn each fucking one of those effigies every night in my front yard.

Dude, then your friends will be visiting you in prison.

193 #144 is exactly right. Shudder.

194

My anger and disgust is not with Obama; being angry with him for being a leftist is like being angry with a rattlesnake for biting you. We all knew what he was and what he'll do. My anger is with a majority of Americans who actually believe putting this guy in the White House will somehow improve their lives.

The end of America's greatness will not be caused by Obama. The end will be caused by 65 million people who want the government to take care of them,

The end will be caused by 65 million people who believe they have the right to the take the property of others

The end will be caused by 65 million people who believe what the leftist media is not manipulating them.

The end will be caused by 65 million people who believe tolerance means demanding their view to be heard at the expense of other views.

The end will be caused by 65 million people who 24 hours ago thought dissent was patriotic but now think dissent is racist.

The end will be caused by 65 million people  who think America should be more like the rest of the world instead of the other way around.

Defending oneself against a single misguided individual is easy. Defending onself against 65 million is impossible.

Freedom is now an endangered species.

195 Nov 4th, 2008 is the day that Democracy died.  All the things that I hold dear, such as honesty, justice and integrity was ground under the jackboot of thievery, outright chicanery and lies.

Obama is not my president and will never be recognized as such. 

Nov 4th was my last day of "work" as well.  As promised, this morning was spent winding down my small business and giving my employees their notice, canceling outstanding contracts and calling the phone co to disconnect the phone.  I'll file my final paperwork at the end of this month and will officially be "out of business" instead of expanding as planned if Palin had won.

My husband is not renewing his contract for his second job and will retire instead of continuing to work. He is in a critical occupation that is understaffed and can not "grow" qualified people over night.  It's impossible. Now, instead of contributing, we will begin drawing out from the public purse.  We are not going to buy a new car or make any new expenditures.  Thank goodness we just finished renovating our house and paying it down, and have no need for any big expenditures in the foreseeable future. We will hunker in the bunker and resist and do everything in our power that is legal to make it difficult if not impossible for the One to carry out his grand agenda. 

My sons are not going to follow in the footsteps of family tradition and join the military,  but will go to grad school instead. There is not a single member of this family that will support the One or make it possible for him to carry out his foreign policy debacles.  I am sure all the Kos Kiddies will be rushing to the recruiting offices to help him carry out his agenda of "peace and security".

I will not work nor provide for the "One".  I will not support nor respect the Commander-in-Thief.  As a woman, I will not respect nor tolerate nor reward misogyny or the politics of racial division.

Women's rights have a long battle ahead of them these next few years.

196

174 hahahaha funny - the lefty dems just have no rules, do whatever they want and the media portrays them as knights as shining armor. Here is there grand strategy, lie through their teeth, sound quasi-moderate and promise people they will never have a need or problem the government won't fix, in spite of the dumb ass choices one makes.

197 Speaking as one who doesn't care to see my party sink to the same level of irrational hatred we've seen from the left for these many years, I'll eagerly await examples of my having done that, you sanctimonious little twerp.

I'll be watching you, mister.


Watching you, I will.

198

Well, I for one choose to look at the bright side.  This effectively locks the Hildabeast out of the Oval Office.  The way I see it, even if Barry eclipses Jimma as the worst President evar.  He’ll still hold the nomination in 2012.  Then even if Barry pulls out a 2^nd term, gawd I hope not, it will be 2016.  She’ll be 68, so at that point the DNC will be all ‘bout the young & fresh.  Which she ain’t!

199

The post about Bachmann winning in MN despite Franken maybe winning tells me one thing-

The GOP is populated by McClellans( Civil War analogy) when we need to be  led by candidates like Grant and Sherman.

This is a total indictment of the country club GOP- they are the ones who have led us to 2 huge defeats.

Hell I didn't even see our RNC once on television- are you kidding me?

Purge these moderates and go foward as a true conservative party-insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

I'd rather have 100 conservative House members and 35 senators and build from there-moderates will be our cause of death on our medical certificate

 

200 Reposted from another thread below:

I see three possible options for the next 4-8 years for conservatives:

1) Option one: What did Barak know and when did he know it?

We have real lawbreaking by Obama's campaign with vast illegal contributions and massive voter fraud. Time to push for an Independent Counsel. This has the effect of delegitimizing BO and possible impeachment should it lead to the top.

This is the hardest option. It requires guts, hardheadedness and the GOP to stay on message for at least two years. Because BO's black, the race cards would come fast and furious.

The charges are true and probably do lead to the top. But

I don't see it working, due to lack of political stomach.


2) Option Two: Loyal Opposition/Rebuild

Oppose BO at every turn that we don't agree with. Point out the problems with his plans. Give ownership to the Dims - screw bipartisanship. Rebuild conservatism with attractive "diverse" faces.

Problem: McCain still in congress to give cover to RINO's. Remember he's now the face of the GOP. He needs to be sidelined and sent out to pasture. He didn't/doesn't have the guts to fight.


3) Option Three: Keep your enemies close.

We shouldn't have to worry every four years if we're going to turn the US over to a bunch of bull-goose looney leftists.

The Dims used to have the Scoop Jackson/Love America wing. It's time for conservatives to enter the democrat party at the grass roots level and make sure that a significant percentage of elected democrat officials would oppose straight up the anti-Americanism, anti-military, anti-business nuttiness of the current leadership.

We'd be a better country if 2 and 3 would happen. Though 1 would be fun.

201 Commander Communist-in-Thief

You are welcome.

202 When you're in a fight and the other guy goes at your balls with a knife, do you still fight by the "Marquis of Queensbury" rules? Fuck no!

"He brings a knife, you bring a gun. He puts one of yours in the hospital, you put one of his in the morgue."

Screw being polite!

203

And David Frum's solution in the pages of the National Post: court the Hispanic vote and throw the Christians under the bus. Oh, yeah, and Joe is full of shit, so abandon him. (While conveniently ignoring Tito the blue collar, Hispanic American conservative whose vote supposedly can't be bought through fiscal and social conservativism.)

204
Every Sunday I'm going to go down and stand in front of City Hall and shout anti-Obama poetry.

205 Agree with Slu.

BDS didn't win them this election. It arguably helped them lose the last one. (It certainly converted many people like me to the GOP, especially after 9/11.) If Obama captured the middle-- which should have been ours-- it's because he (very cannily) moved the spotlight away from the frothing haters. (After all, the whole conjuring trick involved, improbably, completely disavowing the Wright-Ayers crowd.) From Michael Moore at the Kerry convention... to Oprah, Colin Powell, and all those Obama-loving conservatives: hope & change-y shiny happy people. (PDS didn't help them either... in fact, after the GOP convention, it hurt them. The insidious thing was MSM-(including GOP MSM)-sanctioned, continually delivered, PCS: Palin Contempt Syndrome.) Derangement isn't going to help us to fight hard-- and smart. If you want to rebuild the Republican party, or conservatism-- and recapture a fundamentally center-right country-- the first thing is clarifying what we stand for, and demonstrating it with our actions & words. Spittle-flecked derangement isn't what we're about. Righteous anger is something else.

206

I'm with Hellfire #184, They can kiss my ass if they think I'm going to roll over now. This is a fight and its no time to get all soft and cuddly and start reaching across the aisle.

207

When was the only time McCain surged in this race? When was the only time the MSM was getting worried for him? When was the only time he raised a shitload of money and Republican voters got fired up over him?

Palin's nomination.

Don't tell me conservatives don't matter.

Tell me why conservatives always have to bow to the demands of the Moderates and go with the flow when Moderates keep LOSING.

208

Screw me?

Jesus. Get a grip on yourself. We don't need more Palins and less McCains. We need more Palins and MORE McCains. We need a platform that will appeal on a broad basis.

I realize this is turning into the sore-loser thread but we're all actually on the same side, I would think.

 

 

209 I awoke today and, alas, no unicorn or rainbow greeted me.  Must I wait for the inauguration?

210 Well, this has really sucked . I'm slightly depressed , not suicidal . Let's see how this is gonna' shake out . Then make some moves , intelligently .
I'm going to spend the rest of the fall deer hunting with my son and enjoying the outdoors. As a plus , it's a good way to hone some ancient skills because you just never know what's going to happen . I'm also going to rebuild my chicken coop and build a hog pen .
Please , let's not have a bunch of circular firing squads around here as tempting as it is to throw some people out of the club. I'm looking at you , North Carolina , Virginia and Florida . Fucking quislings.

211 As my daughter said to me this morning, "the election was between a faux Democrat and a real Democrat and so most people voted for the real Democrat."

212 This shouldn't be all gloom-and-doom.  I favor a rebuilding of the Republican party, fortified by truly conservative candidates - not RINOs - but the Democrats themselves will return Republicans to power.  They just can't help themselves.  We got lots of lemons yesterday.  Time to make lemonade.

213

#199

We need Robert E Lee, someone who can work with less resources and win.  The left will have all the funds and government behind them, AKA, like Grant.

Find us a Lee!

Kemp

214

Robert Heinlein was onto something when he said American democracy will only truly be at risk of extinction when a majority of the voters become convinced they can vote themselves free money

And Heinlein considered himself to be a leftist at the time. My how thing have changed.

215

155 Herr Morgenholz

OK, you can have your MF'ing Unicorn........just as soon as you give "O" your guns and ammo. You can keep your fishing rod, but "O" will want your line and those dangerous "pointy little things" on it. And, oh yeah, only one Unicorn per "subject", the rest of the Unicorns are going to my starving Kenyan relatives.

216 We need a platform that will appeal on a broad basis.


FUCK YOU ten-thousand times

217

#216

Bart,

That would have to hurt for sure.

Kemp

218 I'll go after him, but just can't bring myself to fall into the cesspool of vile hatred that the left has spent the last eight years wallowing in.

Yeah, I remember all the crazy ass shit conservatives peddled during the Clinton years. Let's not go there again.

219 "Liberty is the ability to say 'no' - and make it stick."

220 Just remember what Castro said once at a rally when someone dared to speak up and say "You'll never get us!"

Castro replied "I don't need you, I have your children.

Take heed, be vigilant.

221 To Do List:

1. Apology letter to George Bush. The GOP stood by and watched him get gangraped by the Left. Shameful.

2. Letters to Jim Webb and Mark Warner. The other Virginians elected them, not this one. They can expect my complete opposition.

3. Convert NRA membership from 3-year to lifetime.

4. Purchase soon-to-be-outlawed semiautomatic rifle.

5. Rejoin VA GOP. They're flawed, but they need help.

6. Refuse to conciliate at 'hood happy hours. Obama has done nothing worthy of my praise, and I'm damned if I'm going to give the local zombies any satisfaction or even scant reason to believe I can be converted. Not one inch to these mindless sheep.

7. Get liquid as soon as the TD Ameritrade account doesn't look like a prom night car accident.

222

#213

Your right- Lee and Jackson are a better analogy because we are going to be fighting a bigger foe with more power.

The worse thing about last night was nobody on our side emerged as a new star to help- all we did was defend a bad position.

The same old generals are still in place save for Jindal.

223 It goes back to Clinton derangement IMO.   I laughed at his sexploits but never thought he should be impeached.  How about: let's not automatically call for impeachment whenever there's a presidential scandal.  It's the nuclear option, it's overkill, and I don't think it's ever been really warranted, not for Watergate, not Andrew Johnson, not ever.

224

Amazing. I WORKED for McCain in this campaign. Went door to door, made calls, cried like a toddler last night at the results ... and get to come in here and be told "fuck you a thousand times" because I can do the math?

 

Geez.

 

225

People in the other thread objected to my "playing by the rules is for suckers" comment. My point is you think its bad now,  its gonna get worse. I'm not advocating abandoning our principles, I warning us of the reality of the political environment we face.

Isn't this essentially straight out of "Rules for Radicals"? I believe one of the rules was to hammer us for anything real or contrived, true or not, lie if you need to, and then play to our general decency to not respond in kind. Being honorable is not going to get it done.  When they lie, we shouldn't strenously object, we should call them liars and tell them to go fuck themselves. We don't have to lie, go insane, or anything of the like, but we do have to play hardball.

226 Ditch the RINOs and elect more Conservatives?

Great fucking plan, geniuses! And where are we going to get all these electable Conservatives?

Every time a Conservative starts speaking up, some of you political wizards get cold feet and shun him/her. For example, when Tom Tancredo stuck his neck out for us to secure our borders some of you, and you know who you are, told Tancredo to shut up and go away. Face it, some of you can't take the heat from the MSM when it comes to advancing the Conservative agenda.

If you want more Conservatives and less RINOs then start supporting the Conservatives when they come under pressure from the MSM and the Democrats.

227 Basically what we had last night was a non-military coup financed by extreme leftists, aided by massive voter fraud at local and higher levels. The constitution was trampled. This guy can't pull up his small donor lists? Donations from foreign sources. Unregistered voters and illegal aliens voting. A coup at best, treason at worst. Sorry guys, not drinking the kool aid. This government is not just liberal, it is illegitimate.

228

Two points:

1. I grudgingly agree we cannot afford to sink to the level of the left in hatred for Obama.  But I reserve the right to do exactly that, and much much more, in hatred of the media.  I want revenge.

2. We should make the point that Bambi can moan all he wants for the first 232 days of his term.  But after that, the Dems have already established that the sitting President is on his own, and the actions, or inactions of his predecessor are totally irrelevant, and he needs to STFU.

Why 232 days?  The 233rd day of the President's term is Spetember 11.

229 I think that each and every conservative and libertarian blog and website should change their tag line to: "Dissent is Patriotic"

We must be respectful. We must attack the policies and not the man, but attack we must.

230 News from Russia:

The prophet Biden was right. Obama would be tested in the first six months, whoops, I mean the first six hours.

Russia withheld this for a week, until Obama was elected.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,447204,00.html

231 I don't hate Obama or anything, I just think he's a racist fraud.  And a chickenhawk, who will soon be a war criminal.  Who will never be my President.  And the same goes for his draft dodging mortgage whore VP.

Wow.  This is kinda fun.  Cathartic even.  I think I'll enjoy reaming this fraudulently selected Resident, even if I don't really mean it.

232 Boortz had a recommendation to support a 10th Ammendment Commission in order to establish what the government can't do. I support it!

This needs to be a major signature of the party. Tear the government down, get it out of our lives.

233

I'll reach across the aisle.

Then pull them over my outstretched leg every time. They can't be allowed to wreck the greatest country in history, or even to drive it into the same cul-de-sacs as did FDR, LBJ, and JEC. Peace and prosperity are too precious to let them hurt people.

But there's no call for hatin'. Opposing football players help each other stand after a tackle. Even boxers and lawyers shake hands when it's all over.

It's a lesson the left seems slow to grasp. They have to hate us because they know we have history and facts on our side. All they have is emotion and fantasy guiding them. We're the eat-your-vegetables parent-figures who always turn out to be right, in the end.

How can they not hate us?

234

I plan to fight, but as an Eagle Scout, I like to always be prepared.  Anyone have any bail out ideas, like Panama? 

Just saying, the time to move shit is BEFORE they are looking.  The Cubans in Miami didn't wait around, they were smart enough to get the fuck out, while the getting was good.

Ideas?

Kemp

235

I think the key point many people are missing is this: the left slimes the right, but the right can give the same level of viciousness with actual facts.  These people are so awful that you're feeling guilty for calling them out on totally legitimate grounds.  Obama is a socialist, a mental lightweight, an affirmative action beneficiary, and actually evil (I think of his stance on baby-killing; not abortion, actual baby-killing).  Calling him out on all of that is totally necessary.  We don't need to make shit up, which is the hallmark of BDS.  It's all right there and very real.  Fucking use it. 

Or lose it. 

236 Posted by: Auspex at November 05, 2008 12:06 PM (Uruu0)

Don't take it personally, dude.  People are just pissed off.  They'll lighten up.  Thanks for your hard work on the campaign.  You did a good thing, even if we lost.

237

We lost because mealy mouthed McCain allowed the Media to dictate the conversation. Bush did the same thing his entire 8 fucking years.

 

And yes, the fucking polls were bad. They were calling for a 9 to 11 point Obama win. I don’t know if you have looked at it but is wasn’t a 9 point win. What we said at the end was the fucking polls were doctored AND we didn’t know what the outcome was.

 

Looking at the study I did this morning for the States that switched, the base of the party stayed home. Palin wasn’t enough to bring McCain over AND voting for the fucking bailout probably hurt him as well. That AND trying to out liberal the Vomit on the Wall Street greed bullshit. He really misplayed the bank fiasco and that is what cost him.

238 Liberals control the schools and the entertainment industry.  I went to High School in the 90's, and even then I knew that they were preaching 70's horseshit.  Nothing has changed.  What ever else we do, we need to reclaim them.  If we raised Warrior-Capitalists, they wouldn't be voting for Pussy-Socialists.

239 I'll be watching you, mister.


Watching you, I will.

Don't be coy, you were doing that anyway.

*bats eyelashes*

240 Hating Obama? No. I haven't the energy to waste. Savaging his supporters on the internet? Hell yes.

241 "we shouldn't go overboard and turn into the shrill hatemongers we have spent the last eight years despising"

I'm not so sure: shrill hatemongering obviously worked quite well after all!

242

After all the shit you 'conservatives' spewed, Ashley Todd, the API hoax, Obama is a muslim, questioning Obama''s love of country, Limbaughs remarks on Obama's trip to see his dying grandmother...after all this and more, you people want to believe you're 'better than that'?

No, you're not, and that's why you lost. 

Maybe one day you people will be better than that, we'll see, but until then, don't pretend to be something you'rre not and never have been.

243

Looking at the study I did this morning for the States that switched, the base of the party stayed home. Palin wasn’t enough to bring McCain over AND voting for the fucking bailout probably hurt him as well. That AND trying to out liberal the Vomit on the Wall Street greed bullshit. He really misplayed the bank fiasco and that is what cost him.

 

You got that right. Sadly, if the truth about the Affirmative Action Mortgage Bust ever comes out, I will be impressed.

244 I don't hate. I fear. Just like Clinton, I don't think I'll be able to even watch the guy on the news.

I do find it VERY interesting that today markets are DOWN. That says something about how, at least, businesses and their investors feel about an Obama presidency.

245 I just want to say my piece to the moron-o-sphere, then move on to whatever is beyond this election...

1.  No more compassionate conservatives.  No more mavericks.  No more "my friends, I reach across the aisle" bullshit.  NCLB, prescription drug, calls for open borders, reaching out to Iman so-and-so from such-and-such mosque... didn't fare so well, huh?

2.  A hearty "fuck off" to those who wanted McCain and then shunned him (and the rest of us).  Christo, Frum, and Peggy in particular.  They want a new type of conservative, which sounds suspiciously like a mix between the opposition and the Maverick.  The voters, when given a choice between a cheap imitation and the real thing will always take the real thing.  Co-opting their identity will not get it done, and even if it does, what's the point?

3.  I don't hate McCain, and I don't see the point in second guessing his campaign.  That being said, I'm still not sure what he was running as (other than Maverick).  And I have this lingering felling I'm really going to be upset with him now that he's back in the Senate, reminded of all the reason I didn't want him getting the nomination in the first place.

4.  Our primary process needs an overhaul.  Seems to me that we now have a choice between having the guy that ag subsidy queens in Iowa want, or the guy that libs and moderates in NH want.

5.  Obama found a winner with that "95%" nonsense.  It makes me sad that this guy bought votes with the money of a lot of people who post here.  The public's embrace of this is scary, and I fear they won't reject the freebies once they get a taste.  Maybe the whole thing about limiting the voting to landowners wasn't such a bad idea.

6.  We still have a chance to resist in the Senate.  "Working across the aisle" sounds great, but sucks hard when the other side controls the agenda.  Specifically, immigration reform needs to be opposed.  Mass immigration of unskilled workers will never benefit Republicans, unless the Republican fiscal platform is made unrecognizable.  Then again, we've been doing a pretty good job of that already.  Unskilled immigrants ain't voting for us, their kids ain't voting for us, and they ain't gonna start.  We will never compete with Dem freebies.

7.  This guy can be beat in 2012.  He was successful in fooling people into thinking he was a moderate.  The people elected an image, but now the man will have to govern.  I hope people pay attention, and not just to the old media

8.  Republicans need to ditch the old media.  They need to be treated as part of the opposition, because they are.  Don't know where else Republicans can go, but they need to start working on a plan.

Now I feel just a little bit better...

246

Ghost of Lee Atwater,

There was a fighting SOB!!  Let's start a Lee Atwater PAC!

Take no prisoners!

Kemp

247
We need more Palins and MORE McCains. We need a platform that will appeal on a broad basis.

Yeah -- we need a gutless nominee who will spout populist bullshit about "greedy Wall Street" instead of laying the blame for the economic meltdown where it belongs -- on the Democrat Party.

Worked like a fucking charm last night, eh?

248 One last thing:  WTF is wrong with Pennsylvanians ?  You get called racists, rednecks, bitter gun and religion clingers, and are told straight up that the man intends to lay punitive taxes on coal, and yet you elect The One overwhelmingly (and return Murtha with 58%) ?!  Bizarre.  Present company excluded, of course.

249 I don't "dislike his policies," I don't "fundamentally disagree" with him. I hate Obama.

I hate him because the opinions he holds and the agenda he means to institute is diametrically opposed to every meaningful interpretation I've read of the Constitution and the founders' intent for a nation I love. He wants to undo a nation that took 230 trying years to build, and plans to do so in 8 years. I hate him because he shows contempt for me and people like me. I hate him because he wants to take what I've worked hard over 20 years to accumulate and give it to someone else. He chooses to hold these views. I hate him for that.

I don't hate him for the things he can't change; his skin color, his heritage, his age, his gender, none of these things inform my loathing for him, and I frankly find them uninteresting. I hate him for the things he can change but chooses not to.

250 I don't blame McCain or the PUMAs, there is something bigger going on here. A fundamental change in this country. O campaigned as a far left lib with welfare for all, and the country bought into it. Yeah maybe some war fatigue and economic anger, but this guy makes Clinton look conservative. 

251 I feel strangely at peace. haha  Know  that sounds weird but , i have faith that the liberals will eat their own. Who can they attack now? If  the messiah cannot deliver..... They will crucify him. (no offence to our one TRUE Christ) Now i know what alot of my family felt for the last 4 yrs. Man ,not a good feeling to not support your President. As a former Marine, really makes me sad. But this man is dangerous. Guess we'll see.......

252 dBa you just keep living in fantasy land

253

The lord giveth, and the lord taketh away if you make more than $250,000 $200,000 $150,000 $120,000 a year

FTFY.

254 Frumm is a pompous ass - throw him under the bus!

255 BOHICA.

I hope all the Obama voters enjoy THIS when they find out their gas tanks are empty and they get evicted.

One good thing is the fact that the Clintons are finally finished.

256 Posted by: BillyBob at November 05, 2008 12:21 PM (7HyI+)

Did not need to see that!

257 One of you scandi fucks tell me what's up in Minnetonka? Is Coleman in and Franken out or is it a run off or what? How the fuck was it that close anyway. You fuckin' Scandi fucks. Icefuckers.

258

We need more Palins and MORE McCains. We need a platform that will appeal on a broad basis.

No we need less McCain's and more actual conservatives

259

we need a gutless nominee who will spout populist bullshit about "greedy Wall Street" instead of laying the blame for the economic meltdown where it belongs -- on the Democrat Party.

Somebody -- here, I think -- pointed out that Senators make lousy Presidential candidates because they've been trained in all that "comity and decorum" stuff and they won't go after their opponents. Not least, also, because they fear if they lose they'll have to face them again.

That's why Rev. Wright was off the table. And Ayers was left to Gov. Palin to talk about.

Imagine McCain actually holding Obama to this (and other "unmentionable") stuff in a debate, in one of his righteous-anger moments. Obama would've folded like a lawn chair, and the public would have stood and applauded.

260

"I love this country too much to do to President-Elect Obama what the left did to President Bush, John McCain and Sarah Palin. We're better than that."

Amen. People will find out that he isn't the Redeemer soon enough.  In a way, it's better that he won; otherwise, his cult would have grown to monstrous proportions.  And I am honestly happy for African Americans today.

Read Samizdata--the mask is off.  We're getting a true socialist, baby. No more fakey compassionate halfway conservatism free spending Democrat-lite. I'm sure Pelosi has her hand on the checkbook already.

261

we shouldn't go overboard and turn into the shrill hatemongers we have spent the last eight years despising.

yeah...i still think he's a scumbag

262 There's a major difference between fighting hard for what we believe in and the disgusting hatred the left specializes in.  I'd rather not see conservatives go down that road.

Agreed.  Being passionate about what you believe is great, but if you back up your passion with reason, you have an argument that's hard to beat.  We tear apart the ideals without tearing apart the man (like the lefties did to Bush).

263

The left has engaged in BDS because there were no negative consequences.  They knew we would take the high road.  That's worked real well for us, hasn't it?

Fuck that shit.  Obama is NOT my president.

264 A few suggestions on what is next:

1. Close the GOP primaries in every state. Only those who have registered as Republicans before Primary season should be allowed to vote. No last minute registration and voting.

2. No RINOs. No way.

3. Nurture the next generation: Palin, Pawlenty, Jindal, Cantor.

4. Find an answer to DKos/DU. I will be contributing 4-6 hrs per week
of my software skills to Ace if he wants to take AoS in that direction.

5. Attack the media, find dirt on them.

6. Find and publicize Dem corruption.

7. Vocally oppose illegal immigration, and efforts to legalize them. This issue resonates with voters. Also, if 20 million illegals start voting, say goodbye to ever winning.

265 some homo above wrote:
...there is something bigger going on here; fundamental change in this country.

He's right. We now have millions of people who think taxes and a bloated government are a good thing, not merely a necessary burden on the people.

Those same millions of people have also been programmed to not equate taxes with entitlements. Those retards think nationalized healthcare means, get this, free healthcare. Free. What the fuck are all those well-paid cocksucking teachers teaching these fucking kids today (and for the last generation) that they don't understand the simple workings of American government?

266 I'm sick of  "reaching across the aisle" bullshit.  Fuck'em.  Screw bi-partisanship.  It's always the conservatives who have to compromise their beliefs. No more! 

267 Oh, and I forgot to mention that Massachusetts voters by a margin of 3-to-1 rejected a ballot initiative to repeal the state income tax.

268 How about not tipping at all and when some college student waitress at Applebee's whines, then tell her she can get it all from her Uncle Obie.

Posted by: katya at November 05, 2008 11:37 AM (G3frc)

Great idea. They want to be like europeans than they have to accept no tipping. Also, we know they under report their tips, so it's better to just send the tip money to the IRS directly.

269 242 After all the shit you 'conservatives' spewed, Ashley Todd, the API hoax, Obama is a muslim, questioning Obama''s love of country, Limbaughs remarks on Obama's trip to see his dying grandmother...after all this and more, you people want to believe you're 'better than that'?

Hillary Clinton's surrogates and Obama himself were the ones who brought up the Muslim thing.  (Incidentally, he was registered as a muslim when he was a child going to school in Indonesia.  Personally, that doesn't mean anything to me, I'd actually rather he was a moderate muslim than a disciple of Rev. Wright).  

I think it is fair to question his love of country in light of his words, actions and associations.  To have a president who thinks the flag is a symbol of false pride, who sometimes does not cover his heart during the national anthem and who has friends who are openly hostile to the traditions of this country is unusual, to say the least.  The comments made by his wife buttress his actions. 

I don't think anyone here believed the API story, a "news organization" nobody ever heard of who publishes on a blog?  I wouldn't be surprised if that was a rabbit planted by the other side to try to get people like us going down false trails.

I had to google Ashley Todd to figure out who you meant, and I think you'd find most people here wish she was in jail for filing a false police report.

270

Posted by: kempermanx at November 05, 2008 12:14 PM (2+9Yx)

Yeah, Atwater was the last hardass I can remember. And don't give me Karl Rove, he was nothing. The Swiftboat guys had to get their own money to tell the truth about Kerry. Look at all of the stuff on Obama, McCain ran away from it. Would it have made a difference this election? Maybe not, but at least he would've gone down swinging. Would any of these guys nowadays have run the Willie Horton ad? Hell no they wouldn't.

Losing with honor is still losing.

271

"I love this country too much to do to President-Elect Obama what the left did to President Bush, John McCain and Sarah Palin. We're better than that."

1) We are better than them....hence there will be no Trutherisms from me...no, He's a Muslim Manchurian, he's not a US Citizen, etc...

2)Turning the other cheek got Bush and McCain, and us, where we are today.  F' that!  I have 8 years of vengence to repay 10 fold and I...will..enjoy...every...f'in...minute...of...it!

272 The problem is this:

Principled opposition will be painted as vile by the left anyway.  They did it through this entire election cycle whenever someone brought up a legitimate negative of Obama.  Legitimate points were painted as racist or "distractions" or as nasty personal attacks.

No matter how "principled" you are, they will never treat you that way.  They know the truth, and don't care. If we're all going to be painted as "smear artists" regardless, I think it's open season.

273 Joe What the Hell am I Saying Biden, now just one smoker-and-all-my-male-relatives-die-young heartbeat away from the Presidency.

Chilling.

274 Fuck that, these motherfuckers are gonna hit Capitol Hill come January and think they have a fuckin' mandate or somethin'. As soon as they  legalize all of the illegals and allow all felons to vote everywhere, Acorn will be right there to sign em' up. We have lost the Republic.

We are so screwed..............my friends.

275

Wanna win? Wanna change the electorate ?

1-Start schools for conservative teachers and recruit hard.

2-Push conservatives into Professorships.

3-Encourage conservatives to go into jounalism.

4- Support and push for conservative entertainers.

5- Organise groups to sue any and all liberal groups over any possible pretense.

276

If the Michigan experience is anything to go by, expect 4 years of power grabbing policies and Obamacrats running in 2012 on the platform of "Still Cleaning Up After Bush."

I'm still just astounded that a slimeball like Murtha can tell his constituents to fuck off regarding a scheduled debate, call them stupid racist rednecks and still win re-election by double digits. If that kind of tratment doesn't get you out to vote, what will?

 

277

One Tom Coburn is more effective than ten George W. Bushes. Tom Coburn wouldn't play nice.

 

278 @ 223, for what FDR did to this country in the 1930s, he should have been impeached. If O! pulls the same policies, you can see the recession become a depression. I don't see that happening

279 Hippies DEFEAT McCain again. McCain spent 6 years languishing in a Vietnam prison. Perhaps 3 years than he needed to because of the Hippie protests at home. In their final act of revenge of the Vietnam war, the Bill Ayers crowd which have gone on to be successful professors and rich billionaires got their puppet elected over a hero from the Vietnam War.

280 Quit being a fucking pussy, I will embrace my cancerous hate.

281

Losing with honor is still losing.

And our definition of "honor" is insane.

Telling the ugly truth about your opponent is dishonorable? Who the hell wrote that rule?

282 265 Bart - that's exactly the point I was making and I am not a homo - we happen to be saying the same thing - I know you are pissed,  I am too, but I am on your side

283

#270

I knew him.  I still don't understand the apology shit when he was dying.  Everyone has to make their peace I guess.

Kemp

284 Make no mistake, the country has been taken over by Marxists in an illegal election, using wahhabist and other foreign enemy financing.

I will not call this fraud my president, and I vow never to call him by even his own name, though I haven't yet picked a name for him. He is a fraud, a liar, a thief, and an invader. And every one of his supporters is my mortal enemy.

285 Will someone please tell me why the RNC couldn't hang the Fannie Freddie crap around the Dem's necks???

I know the msm played a part but we DIDN'T EVEN FIGHT.

Where were the ads early on.  By the time I saw anything everyone was convinced that the Bushies lack of regulation caused this. 

This was sitting on a tee and we didn't even bother to swing at it.

Also, where were the ads questioning the dems in congress.  A pretty simple, "what has happened  since the dems took over congress" ad would have worked perfectly.
All the crap that has hit the fan in the past two years should have been laid at "the Deomcrat Congress's" feet.  Gas prices, inflation, housing crash, cold cash Jefferson.  What a missed opportunity.

286

I said it in another thread:

What are YOU going to do differently tomorrow than you've done so far?

What are YOU going to do to make sure this doesn't happen again?

Name something, some small simple thjing. I'm writing my congressman today to tell him to stay stronge, etc.

Tomorrow, I'll do something else.

What are you going to do tomorrow to make sure this does not happen again?

Ask yourself, come up with an answer, and do it! Once a day, for seven hundred days.

Can't hurt.

 

287

OMG

I accidentally turned on Fox, just to hear Condi Rice express how proud she was as an African American right now, and that it was a great step forward but work still needed to be done.

PUKE

288 If there are any actual conservatives in Pennsylvania, now would be a good time to get the fuck out.

289 I for one, will not forget the wht the left did to Pres. Bush.. Sorry, what goes around comes around. And they need to learn this lesson... You reap what you sow.

290 Conservatives should have ripped a page out of Barry's playbook and all stayed home today to mourn for their country. That would have really given the economy a shot in the arm.

Probably should have kept the kids out of school today too. I can only imagine the pukefest their having to endure from their NEA teachers.

291 Ask yourself, come up with an answer, and do it! Once a day, for seven hundred days.

Good point. Today, I will probably just rant and rave.

Tomorrow, I'll start taking your advice.

292 "If there are any actual conservatives in Pennsylvania, now would be a good time to get the fuck out."


Come on down to Va., we need you bad.

Oh and those Philly Black Panthers Barrys Peace Force? Coming soon to a racist-redneck Pa. neighborhood near you.

293 There's a major difference between fighting hard for what we believe in and the disgusting hatred the left specializes in.

Yup. We need to be Nathanael Greene, not the Iranian Basiji.

294 I am not a homo

Of course you're not.

295 As long as the MSM retains power--and if nothing else, last night was a re-assertion of their power--we're gonna have a tough time winning anything.

On the bright side, I'm in Ohio, which went for Obama.  I'm not a red-stater anymore!  I already feel more enlightened and sophisticated!

296 As much as I didn't want President Hopenchange to win, I can't say I'm surprised. My vote for the McCain/Palin ticket was more for Palin than McCain, and I suspect a lot of GOP voters just stayed home. This was McCain's loss more than Obama's win, but I doubt other GOP hopefuls would have done much better (with the possible exception of Rudy Giuliani). I hoped for the best and prepared for the worst, so I don't find myself particularly bereft this morning.

Obama's going to be a terrible President, I have no doubt. Probably the new and improved version of Kwame Kilpatrick. With the Donks now controlling both chambers of Congress as well as the White House, the next four years are going to be a very dark time indeed. And yet...I can't say that the Republicans didn't deserve this defeat. The GOP has put in a miserable performance since 2004, quite frankly; apart from Supreme Court nominations, I'm hard-pressed to think how Congress could really be any worse.

The GOP always does better as an out-party -- let's hope that the coming catastrophe will teach them the values of moderation and discipline again.

On foreign policy.... Nothing but bad news, I think. Iran and Israel will come to blows at some point, I have no doubt. Israel knows that Obama has little love for them and will not extend himself much to stop Iran. Iraq will be left to the tender mercies of Iran and Turkey, and Afghanistan will be for all intents and purposes abandoned. The Donks will blame it all on George W. Bush, of course.

And the economy? Hard to say. I suspect that the downturn will be deeper and more prolonged due to Donk economic policy, but so much of the economy is globalized now that it may limit the madness to which the Donks are prone. The Donks may be pressured into being more free-market than they want to be just to stave off financial catastrophe.

297 And they need to learn this lesson... You reap what you sow.

They will, Josey.....and the nice part is that we don't even have to lower ourselves. They'll do it for us.

First battle: reparations. Let's watch what happens when The One's talking out of both sides of his mouth leaves black radicals repudiating reparations or white liberals endorsing them to an enraged populace.

298 This is not the country I thought I knew

299 Deciding not to hate Obama sounds noble, but aside from the general principle that hating another person diminishes oneself, I think it is misplaced.

I hate the hi-jackers who flew into the twin towers and the thugs who tortured John McCain and his fellow POW for years.

This morning I find myself hating the man (and his robot-like minions) who hi-jacked the election by voter fraud and illegal campaign contributions and who is about to torture my country for the next four years.

The only difference is that unlike the liberals with Reagan derangement syndrome and Bush derangement syndrome, I will not be able to express my disdain for this creep publicly.

300 Posted by: Josey the Hygienist at November 05, 2008 12:39 PM (SjAvA)

Amen.  The media, the Dems and Bush-bashing GOPers can just bite me.  Bush never raised taxes, stopped the worldwide terrorist movement in its tracks almost single-handedly, and put two excellent young conservative Supreme Court justices on the bench.  He did not cause 9/11, was not responsible for Katrina, and was not the culprit in the financial meltdown.  Bush is owed both a thank you and an apology by a great many people.

301 Can't remember who said it yesterday, but they were spot fucking on...  All those who work in the coal industry and voted Zero can't say they weren't warned.  Hell, the candidate himself told you what he wants to do.  I think the person yesterday said that when they shut down the mines, he hoped they would be "forced to give blowjobs for a living."  I concur, and if they're any good at it, I'll be in line.

302 "First battle: reparations."

Fuck it, let em' have it, with the stipulation that you never again get welfare. The check will get blown on bling in a week anyhow.

303 I am just saying "no" to Obama Derangement Syndrome.

http://tinyurl.com/6r632n

But, that said, it's on. Like it's never been on before.

304

It may be time to just start focusing on the local and state wide candidates. Support true conservatives. Take time to actually meet local politicians, tell them what the MUST do to get and keep your support. Get to know people on your local school boards, support those worth a damn and forget the rest.

Republicans had a golden opportunity in 94. THEY PISSED IT AWAY. We have fallen a long way since then and unfortunately republicans were in power most of the time.

We can turn into the left and surffer from ODS. It won't get us anywhere. BDS did not get democrats where they are, republicans did. We must have zero tolerance for screw ups in our own party, and be very vocal about screw ups in theirs.We could spend our time trying to tear the democrats down but in the end all we will have is a pile of rubble. We need to re-build our own.

2010 will be an opportunity to start laying the foundation for the next (and true) republican revolution, but we must start with solid conservatives not mushy RINO's. I will never again vote straight ticket unless all are worthy.

305

I'm not suggesting we reach across the aisle and embrace bipartisanship, or roll over for The One and give him what he wants. No way. I'm simply saying that in our zeal to defeat him and his policies, we shouldn't go overboard and turn into the shrill hatemongers we have spent the last eight years despising.

Amen.

A major reason for the dwindling fortunes of the Right is we’ve been real clear about what we’re against (dang taxes!) and less clear about what we are for.

And in this campaign, one of the things we and most Americans were for (drilling), the campaign didn’t push. What else? Is school choice dead? What’s our health care plan? (NONE is not an option.) Fighting poverty? (Not Big Government. Bush at least had Faith-Based initiatives. Where’s that now?) Environment? (So, no Kyoto II. What then?) Time to get to work.

As for the still-needed combat with the Left, much of the Right dozed for years, and then tried to give voters a crash course in left-wing extremism (Ayers), left-wing racism (Wright) and Democrat/Socialism. You can’t do that in the heat of an election. Comes off as desperate. All of these existed for years. Pretty much EVERY liberal area has extremist, Democrat-supporting professors, and racist preachers, all pushing the Democratic Party toward Socialism. Why Obama was allowed to get so far in his political career before someone made an issue of his terrorist friends, I don’t know. But now we have the chance to do what we should have been doing the last decade: Shape a storyline that A. makes clear we have ideas besides “NO!” and B. makes clear the other side has extremists, and Democrats had better stay away from them.

 

 

306 very Sunday I'm going to go down and stand in front of City Hall and shout anti-Obama poetry.
Posted by: Bart at November 05, 2008 11:56 AM (t9PoL)

I'm building a big papier mache obama head. And then I'm going to build a big papier mache ayers head that will explode. It will be an explodey dope.

307 I've said it before but I'm going to repeat it:

We have a charismatic, secretive, power hungry leader whose policies will lead to the destruction of Israel.

I'm not fully in the ODS yet, but IF Obama calls for a mark to be placed on the citizenry so we can buy food, ALL BETS ARE OFF.

308 @301


That was me, and I so totally mean that shit to. I hope anyone in coal country who voted for Barack Obama are forced to become suckers of cock for pocket change.

309 God Bless Texas!

310 andycanuck at November 05, 2008 11:56 AM (GGy7k)

Ever see a photo of Frum's wife? She has a mouth like a horse. Whinnnnnnyyy!!

311 "I'm not fully in the ODS yet, but IF Obama calls for a mark to be placed on the citizenry so we can buy food, ALL BETS ARE OFF."


That soon? I was gonna wait at least until he sprouted horns and fire started shooting from his mouth during his first State Of The Union address.

312 Does Obama's election mean that they'll be more spit, or less spit in my McDonald's soda?  That's my short term question.

313

Okay - I'm not suggesting we reach across the aisle and embrace bipartisanship, or roll over for The One and give him what he wants. No way. I'm simply saying that in our zeal to defeat him and his policies, we shouldn't go overboard and turn into the shrill hatemongers we have spent the last eight years despising.

 

Fuck that.  I'm going full on hate until we get attacked by terrorists, then pretending that I support the president because politically, I pretty much have to, then turn on him as soon as the political climate allows it.

 

 

314

**Enjoying the moment at November 05, 2008 12:49 PM (EQYOq)

 

The media, the Dems and Bush-bashing GOPers can just bite me.  Bush never raised taxes, stopped the worldwide terrorist movement in its tracks almost single-handedly, and put two excellent young conservative Supreme Court justices on the bench.  He did not cause 9/11, was not responsible for Katrina, and was not the culprit in the financial meltdown.  Bush is owed both a thank you and an apology by a great many people.

 

We owe Bush nothing.

 

He and Rove knew they only had to win TWO elections, and that the rest of the GOP could go to hell. So, he cut taxes and didn’t do a damn conservative thing legislatively after that. The spending, throwing money at education, Medicare drugs, and amnesty for illegals were all for his short-term gain, and the Right’s long-term loss.

 

I give him tax cuts, fighting terrorists and judicial nominations. I don’t blame him for Katrina or the Wall Street mess. Beyond that, he saddled the Right with an unnecessary war that Reagan would never have started, total surrender on education spending, total surrender to the race-baiting supporters of open borders…ah, well.

 

I think President Bush is a decent man. I owe him that. But I will not tie the fate of my party or my ideological brethren to his legacy.

 

315 Oh, no! Top Ramen has been offered chief of staff.

They've also announced the Inauguration Day Poet -- Tyrone Green. I'm sure everyone is familiar with his work:

Dark and lonely on a Summer's night.
Kill my landlord.
Kill my landlord.
The watchdog barking, do he bite?
Kill my landlord.
Kill my landlord.
C-I-L-L my landlord.

Shut up. It's not racist. Would you rather be subjected to that Maya Angelou shit?

316

Telling the ugly truth about your opponent is dishonorable? Who the hell wrote that rule?

Our opponents wrote it.  Better to ask "Who the hell suggested we follow it?"  Answer: John McCain

317

That was me, and I so totally mean that shit to. I hope anyone in coal country who voted for Barack Obama are forced to become suckers of cock for pocket change.

Can we have fewer gay sex references please?

318 227 Basically what we had last night was a non-military coup financed by extreme leftists, aided by massive voter fraud at local and higher levels. The constitution was trampled. This guy can't pull up his small donor lists? Donations from foreign sources. Unregistered voters and illegal aliens voting. A coup at best, treason at worst. Sorry guys, not drinking the kool aid. This government is not just liberal, it is illegitimate.

Rob, I agree.  I appreciate all these comments on here and there are a lot of good ones.  But I am inconsolable.  This is a national nightmare.  I know that somehow I have to find a way to live with it, but I still feel quite weepy and hopeless this morning.

319

He and Rove knew they only had to win TWO elections, and that the rest of the GOP could go to hell. So, he cut taxes and didn’t do a damn conservative thing legislatively after that.

You do not know what the hell you are talking about.  Without googling I bet you can't name a conservative piece of Reagan legislation.  Him signing the amnesty legislation obviously doesn't count.

320

Jeebus...Newsweek and the McCain campaign are savaging Sarah Palin already.

I hope she fights back and quick.

321 Beyond that, he saddled the Right with an unnecessary war that Reagan would never have started

I keep telling myself that I will not be drawn by statements like this, and yet I go barking after it like a dog chasing a passing car....

Iraq was not "unnecessary" -- it was inevitable. We should have finished the job in 1991, and because we didn't, the war in 2003 became necessary. I'm not even going to argue this point with you because it's a waste of time. You're assuming (wrongly) that doing nothing was an option in Iraq, and it wasn't. Period, full stop, end of story.

And do remember that Reagan -- much as I respected the man -- had his own blind spots vis a vis foreign policy. Have you forgotten the Panama invasion or the ridiculous comic-opera of Grenada? Or his shamefully inadequate reaction to the Marine Barracks bombing in Beirut? Reagan got lots of stuff right, but he cocked lots of stuff up as well foreign policy-wise.

Peace is not the absence of war. Peace is the absence of threat. George W. Bush understands that.

322

There's a major difference between fighting hard for what we believe in and the disgusting hatred the left specializes in.

Yup. We need to be Nathanael Greene, not the Iranian Basiji.

 

Well said.

Now, granted that I'm still drunk. (Seriously, I'm trashed.)

But all this talk of "fighting," all this talk of holding the line, means so little if it doesn't start today.

It's great to hold these wonderful metaphors in your heart, it's great to think of them as you're walking down the street, but they have to mean something.

SO.

One last time (in this thread at least)\

What are you going to do tomorrow that you didn't do last week, last month, etc.?

It's going to be so hard to keep with it. I think that as conservatives, we suffier not from an enthusiasm gap so much as an organization gap. This is in the nature of conservatives, I think.

The point isn't to build some rival ACORN. The point is to use your own god-given talents, in small ways, without direction or coordination, to make a tiny little difference, 1/100th of a vote's worth, every day. For the next seven hundred days.

What are you going to do tomorrow?

And do you have the courage of your convictions to keep doing it the absence of pats on the back, of recogntion, of some sort of we-are-the-world kumbayah cheering section?

Those things arent going to be around.

You have to find your own reasons for doing them, and if you don't, we'll lose again. I promise I'll do my part. Every day. Talk to someone, write a rep, call a TV station, maybe even start a blog.

And I don't care if anyone else does or not, because I'm doing this on my own, for me.

323
Bush never raised taxes, stopped the worldwide terrorist movement in its tracks almost single-handedly, and put two excellent young conservative Supreme Court justices on the bench.  He did not cause 9/11, was not responsible for Katrina, and was not the culprit in the financial meltdown.  Bush is owed both a thank you and an apology by a great many people.

I've made that argument with conservatives a bajillion times and it always falls on deaf ears.

But Bush did have some serious faults. He caved into unionizing the TSA with barely a fight. He caved on huge increases on entitlements (e.g. the farm bill, no child left behind, Medicare). He made only a half-hearted effort to reform Social Security. He refused to clean out the back stabbers at State, Intelligence and Justice. He was loath to rid himself of his own appointees even after they proved themselves incompetent or traitorous.

But worst of all he never fought back against the sliming of himself and his party. The Dems and their brothers in the press made it all too easy for millions of Americans to hate, or at least strongly distrust, the GOP.

And then McCain ran a lame campaign refusing to go aggressive.

I mainly blame McCain for his failure, but Bush set a horrible stage for him to appear on.

324 For example, when Tom Tancredo stuck his neck out for us to secure our borders some of you, and you know who you are, told Tancredo to shut up and go away

He was consistently and will forever be mocked by Allahpundit. And since HA is owned by Malkin, it must have her endorsement. So, I find her rants about the border disingenuous.

325

Good email from a friend of mine:

Fellow Business Executives:
 
As the CFO of this business that employees 140 people, I have resigned
myself to the fact that with Barack Obama as our next President, our taxes and government fees will increase in a BIG way.
 
To compensate for these increases, I figure that the Clients will have
to see an increase in our fees to them of about 8% but since we cannot
increase our fees right now due to the dismal state of our economy, we
will have to lay off six of our employees instead. This has really been
eating at me for a while, as we believe we are family here and I didn't
know how to choose who will have to go.
 
So, this is what I did. I strolled thru our parking lot and found 8
Obama bumper stickers on our employees' cars and have decided these
folks will be the first to be laid off. I can't think of a more fair way
to approach this problem. These folks wanted change; I gave it to them.
 
If you have a better idea, let me know.
 

326

I really appreciate your decency and conciliatory tone.

I hope you don't hold it against me when I continue to brand you all as racist Jesus bigots. I'd hate for things to get ugly when I deport all of your children to Obama Camp.

327

You do not know what the hell you are talking about.  Without googling I bet you can't name a conservative piece of Reagan legislation.

Without googling I can note a teeny weeny difference, professor....Reagan had DEMOCRAT CONGRESS. Reagan had just STARTED the conservative movment in Washington.

Bush had GOP Congress (House or Senate or both) most years and an entire conservative infrastructure to build on.

I don’t want to launch a Reagan v. Bush contest, because we don’t need to be pining for Reagan anymore. But don’t even try to argue Bush was as committed to conservative ideas.

328 #320

Jeebus...Newsweek and the McCain campaign are savaging Sarah Palin already.

I hope she fights back and quick.

 

If true about the McCain campaign, I hope she tells them to DIAF then start doing appearances explaining why she thinks Mac lost.

329 Jeebus...Newsweek and the McCain campaign are savaging Sarah Palin already.

I hope she fights back and quick.

Posted by: Destini at November 05, 2008 01:12 PM (duUdu)

Are the McCain campaign attacks in the Newsweek article? Not sure if it is gossip or not. If not, the gloves are off!

330 @ 326

 I hope you like lead in your diet.

331

 

And do remember that Reagan -- much as I respected the man -- had his own blind spots vis a vis foreign policy. Have you forgotten the Panama invasion or the ridiculous comic-opera of Grenada? Or his shamefully inadequate reaction to the Marine Barracks bombing in Beirut? Reagan got lots of stuff right, but he cocked lots of stuff up as well foreign policy-wise.

 

Panama was Bush I and Grenada is not even worth mentioning. Reagan got the big, important stuff right. Invading a nation because you mistakenly thought it possessed weapons of mass destruction is a textbook example of getting the big stuff wrong.

 

I’m not trying to draw anyone into to another rehash of Iraq. It’s only for the context of Bush’s Legacy, and the fact is no other Republican outside of Bush-Cheney’s inner circle would have advocated the invasion, that includes Bush I and Reagan and just about every Republican of note outside Bush-Cheney.

 

The Right needs a clean, respectful break with Bush, not a re-fighting of 2004.

332

He is Risen...

The Political Beast rises out of the sea...

Sorry i'm not in the mood for cake today.

Went to register obamaisevil and obamaistheantichrist at godaddy. Already taken. Just saying.

On topic, I'm glad to see so many people taking the high road. Makes me feel less guilty about my decision to skip down the low one. Scorched earth and foaming at the mouth rage for this little lady.

333

"We need Robert E Lee, someone who can work with less resources and win.  The left will have all the funds and government behind them, AKA, like Grant."

Uh, someone should tell kemp how that war turned out.

334 If everyone that voted for Bush, clearly an unprincipled retard, had voted for McCain, we might not be in this horrible mess today.  WTF?

335

"We're better than that."

 

And that's why we lost. Republicans have to stop being so dainty. We bring the  Queensbery  rules to a knife fight every single time.

336
OMFG -- Limbaugh has become such a broken record that it won't matter if they bring back the Fairness Doctrine and take him off the air.

337 << I'm simply saying that in our zeal to defeat him and his policies, we shouldn't go overboard and turn into the shrill hatemongers we have spent the last eight years despising. >>

Why not?  Unbridled hate apparently wins elections.  I now plan to hate every democrat I come across from now on.

338

Bush had GOP Congress (House or Senate or both) most years and an entire conservative infrastructure to build on

 

Bullshit…Bush has some faults and was far to liberal and didn’t fight back which causes a loss of confidence in the party but he did try to get more conservative stuff and was DEFEATED by RINOs like McCain who sided with the Dems in blocking SS reform, permanent tax cuts, drilling in ANWR, and a lot of other conservative legislation that NEVER even got started because he knew it would never make it (like a second try at removing the AMT that Clinton vetoed.

 

Overall, if Bush had had more real Republicans and fewer fucking RINOs he would have a much better record.

339 Rush is right! appeasers are dumbshits.

340

Are the McCain campaign attacks in the Newsweek article? Not sure if it is gossip or not. If not, the gloves are off!

Yes, the Newsweek article. It's brutal. They were talking about it on Fox and other thngs Schmidt is saying. Megyn Kelly seemed well and truly shocked at the savagery of it all.

 

341

On July 4th, 1776 the soon-to-be citizens of the United States issued a Declaration of Independence.

On November 4th, 2008 their progeny issued a Declaration of Dependence.

342 Amen.

We don't stoop to that because that's not who we are or what we believe in.  There are a lot of things in this world I cannot stand, but in the end, we strive to accomplish our goals in such a way that we will not be washed in guilt or injustice when we attain them.

We fight, but we fight in a way they can never understand: The ends does NOT justify the means.

343

# 20

Draft manifesto is here

344 You know, McCain also lost this because he is McCain. To tell the truth, I never really liked the Mofo. I had watched him over the years, and man, it seemed like just where you would think he would do the right thing on certain issues, like he gets right to that edge, and then he would pull the rug out from under the conservatives. Its like some leftover hanoi hilton commie programing kicked in every time, like in a bad Sci-fi movie where the slave can't kill his master to gain freedom because he was programed with a failsafe, so he points the gun, cocks the hammer, then winces in pain when he tries to pull the trigger. The country is yelling drill baby drill, palin says yeah, and HE says no drilling in anwar. WTF??  Then you got the illegal immigration shit, and the campaign finance crap.

Perfect example was this financial meltdown shit. The dems caused it with their stupid fucking social engineering, they blame it on republicans, and McCain goes and blames it on wall street greed? WTF???? He might as well just have said republican greed, is he fucking insane? He should have named names, said these are the pricks that did it, explained that it is a perfect example of how socialism will always fail, and we need to PURGE socialism from our country and not elect more of it, etc etc. Nope....the programing kicked in. This assclown didn't even explain that the democrats blocked any efforts to put a stop to it, and that bush saw it coming, and the republicans saw it coming, and that McCain himself  sponsored a bill that got defeated when it went down party lines. In the debate he says "oh we all saw it coming". WRONG answer dude, don't include the leftist scumbags, they knew damn well what they were doing. He says he's going to suspend his campaign to try and fix the financial mess when any one of us could have told him BAD MOVE DUDE, the leftists will spin it and make you look like an asshole.

Another thing, I am fucking tired of limp wristed republicans and their frigging high road shit, and their make nice with the enemy crap. I lost posting rights at free republic for saying the word "shit" back in the 2004 election. If the republican party is gonna be that kind of squeaky clean prep boy fraternity then have at it. Maybe you can go audition for some lame 60's "you meet the nicest people on a Honda" commercial. As for me, i'm gonna be riding the harley and pissing in the left's wheaties every chance I get.

345 It's been mentioned before, but needs repeating.  CANCEL any subscriptions to MSM papers, magazines, and paid websites.   Starve the liars.

346 The difference in left v. right hate is that left hate is directed at the person in vile ways, the hatred from the right is aimed at ideology.  My hate will be targeted at the liberal mantra.

347 From an international standpoint, the real tragedy with this election is the green light given to the bad guys.  Tibet, Taiwan, Georgia, Israel, etc., their existence is in grave danger as of now.  Just watch the turmoil that erupts on this planet now.  Peace through strength, not  Obama's  soon to be foreign policy of acquiescence and subterfuge.

348

Now that Obambi is elected does this mean with his redistrubution policies my unemployed ass can stop looking for a job? He did promise to look after me didn't he? I may just enjoy an Obambi presidency. /sarcasim

I keep syaing, if you want to see what happens when dumocrats run the place look no further then Michigan, now with even more dumocrat goodness.

Did think it was possible but Michigan dumocrats gained a crap load of seats with a successful campaign of blaming Bush for everything wrong in Michigan.

Oh and the streets of Detroit were filled with citizens rioting celebrating Obambi's win. They jumped on cars, blocked traffice, shot off guns, etc but the news wouldn't call it what it really was.

349

Overall, if Bush had had more real Republicans and fewer fucking RINOs he would have a much better record.

 

 I’ll give you that, Vic.

 

But it ain’t “bullshit” to say he was in a much, much better position to pass conservative measures than Reagan.

 

350

Panama was Bush I and Grenada is not even worth mentioning. Reagan got the big, important stuff right. Invading a nation because you mistakenly thought it possessed weapons of mass destruction is a textbook example of getting the big stuff wrong.

 

Bush is no conservative. That said, could someone please remind me how many HUNDRED TONS OF YELLOWCAKE URANIUM the Iraqi's sold to Canada after the unecessary war?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

351

I understand the wish to throw people out of the tent who you think are RINOs, or heretics for dissing Palin, or whatevs. You want to attain some People's Front of Judea-style ideological purity. I dunno. Call me crazy, but dontcha think that in a democracy, the way to win is to have a big tent with MORE people in it, not less?

352 Work on the 2010 midterms start today. We can haz candidates?

353

People don't get it. 

Slublog is not telling people to "bend over and take it."  He's just saying to not let yourselves turn into crazy wingnut moonbats.

McCain wasn't my favorite candidate.  But his concession speech was amazing.  And while it is hard to watch someone lose....  I positively cringed when I heard people "booing" during his speech.

The fact is there are some people who think McCain's mistake was that he wasn't nasty enough.  That he tried to be too principled.  He didn't lose because he wasn't wingnutty enough, he lost because "the movement" replaced its essential goodness with ideology and partisan politics.

If the future of the conservative agenda comes down to being belligerent moonbats...  it is a worthless agenda.  If it can stand on its own merits, and it it's proponents can present this agenda with honor and integrity, it will win.  It works.  If people see it working.  If people understand its virtues.  They will consider it.

People make short term gains by pulling tricks and doing stunts...  but building a movement with a future has to happen slowly.  It has to weather setbacks.  It does not need to "play for keeps."  Capitalism has progressed and spread not because of ideology and militant activism...  it has spread because it works.  It does not need to insist upon its value, because it is self-evident.  The same is true for freedom.  The same is true for the family.

Sure, progress will be met with setbacks...  but as long as you don't fall into the trap of becoming an ideologue...  reality is on the side of ideas that are inherently good.  The only thing we can do to help things along is to protect the integrity of those ideas.

Support Obama where you agree with him.  And where you don't, make an honest criticism.  Don't get caught up in his character or his party or any of that other stuff.  Stick to evaluating the quality of ideas and offering alternatives. 

If you make it into a personal thing, people will regard you as just another partisan.  But if you focus on policies and ideas, people won't brush you off so easily.  They might actually think about what you are offering.  You might actually change someone's mind about something.

That's the future of the conservative movement.  That's how the long term struggle for freedom and justice will be won.  It won't come down to a particular election or particular moment...  it will come down to spreading ideas that work.

[And as a side benefit, you'll never suffer from derangement syndrome.]

354

Call me crazy, but dontcha think that in a democracy, the way to win is to have a big tent with MORE people in it, not less?

More people is fine, as long as they agree with us. McCain tried to appeal to "moderates" and they handed him his ass. We'll get more people by being true to our principles, than in pandering to what we think they'll want.

355
“Based on numerous press accounts that have come to light since our initial filing in early October, it is clear that the Obama for America campaign is operating outside of the law.” RNC Chief Counsel Sean Cairncross

Hillary Clinton experienced the same thing in the primaries with bused in voters, derelicts and students paid for their vote with free shit, disappearing ballots/voting packets, and of course the ever-present ACORN. Campaign workers were seen handing out “i-pods and free stuff: T-shirts, clothes, shoes, and free meals” to students and people in homeless shelters,” according to eyewitness reports. Chartered buses with Illinois license plates arrived from Illinois packed with Obama supporters. ““We saw stolen precincts where Obama organizers fabricated counts, made false entries on sign-in sheets, suppressed delegate counts, and suppressed caucus voters. We saw patterns such as missing electronic access code sheets and precinct packets taken before the legal time, like elsewhere in the state.”

“Mr. Obama won a seat in the state Senate in 1996 by the unorthodox means of having surrogates successfully challenge the hundreds of nomination signatures that candidates submit. His Democratic rivals, including Alice Palmer, the incumbent, were all disqualified,”

Obama’s election to the U.S. Senate “was even more curious,” conservative columnist Tony Blankley wrote in The Washington Times.

Citing an account that appeared in The Times of London, Blankley described how Obama managed to squeeze out his main Democratic rival, Blair Hull, after divorce papers revealed allegations that Hull had allegedly made a death threat to his former wife.

Then in the general election, “lightning struck again,” Blankley wrote, when his Republican opponent, wealthy businessman Jack Ryan, was forced to withdraw in extremis after his divorce papers revealed details of his sexual life with his former wife.

So now we should believe that Obama will forsake election fraud and third world intimidation tactics because... uh, because... that would be wrong?

Why does the phrase 'Wake the fuck up' pop into my head?

Raila Odinga
Rashid Khalidi
Bill Ayers (terrorist)
Bernadine Dohrn (terrorist)
Louis Farrakhan (Nation of Islam)
Ali Abunimah
Jesse Jackson
Frank Marshall Davis
Dr. Khalid al-Mansour (Saudi billionaire who mentored the founding members of the Black Panthers)
Wade Rathke; ACORN founder and former member of SDS (just like Ayers)
Rev. Jeremiah Wright
Rev. Michael Pfleger

I mean Jesse Jackson is the voice of sane moderation in this group.

These people and organizations like Hamas, the New Black Panther Party and other extremists also support Obama. Why?

Our only hope is that Obama was LYING TO THEM about who he really was, not LYING TO US. Who do you believe he was lying to?

356

Travis...  what can you do?

He's been elected.  He's going to be inaugurated.  It's much better to focus on his actions...  than to get all twisted up about stuff that is background information.

If you bring up all this information, what do you think people are going to say or do with it?  Either they will call you a wingnut...  or they already kind of agree with you.

Much better to assess specific policies and to focus on things that you can know with certainty.

357

We need to show the people how adults behave, not like democrats.

I intend to do as suggested, I will continue my normal life and oppose all stupidity coming from Washington.

I will show President Obama the exact same respect that the democrats have shown President Bush.

Never surrender

358

It's like Rush Limbaugh saying that Obama's trip to Hawaii was to fix his fake birth certificate...  And saying that Obama's grandma wasn't really sick.

He doesn't have a fake birth certificate.  His grandma really was sick.

That kind of crap is what earns you the label wingnut.

And it ultimately makes absolutely no difference in terms of what policies you support or oppose.

Sure it might tilt an election one way or the other, but it is just a distraction.  And if you traffic in those distractions...  rational people will, over the long term, value your opinion less.

359 I just wanted to say... Don't get to riled up over the BO president. As much as his cult loves him they can't let go of the hate they have. When Mr. everything to everyone has to take a position at least half of his followers will unleash that hate at him. He may be loved and worshiped now but those who are in love with hate love their hate even more. That hate has to go somewhere....

Then there is the long line of money men waiting and wanting their pound of flesh from the fatted calf.

So don't get upset, his good friends and followers have sharped their knifes and waiting on slices to be passed around.

360 kidney,
You're right. We need to put people in positions of influence.  I'm really tired of conservative think tanks talking to each other.  I work at a university, and they are brainwashing the next generation of leftists.  It's near hopeless.

361

Ron, it's a good point.  Unworkable ideas just don't work.  The best thing you can do is try to identify the unworkable idea and clue people in before they try it.  But what can you do beyond that?

I do, however, hope you are wrong about the "hate" of his followers.  I bet most of them aren't motivated by hate.  Most folks just don't have the time or attention to sample from a full range of ideas...  so they fall for the easy ones that sound good...  but their minds can be changed.

 

362 I work at a university, and they are brainwashing the next generation of leftists voters.

363 Rational people keep losing elections! The people voting are not interested in the truth, but only what they can get out of others for free. How do conservatives win the 'Promise Anything' game that gets politicians elected?

Leftist survive in power by blaming the boogeyman and if Europe and elsewhere are anything to go by, they create a dependent electorate that is not inclined to vote against the gravy train.

We have lost control of the educational system and unless some very fundamental changes take place I really do not see any way out of this.

Guess I am just very pessimistic regarding what this means for the future.

364 FTFY

365

If Republicans broke a little bit free from the national party...  and ran good candidates in the house and senate races...  I think they could do well.  Conservatives can and often do do well when they apply their philosophy to highly-specific and practical situations. 

The GOP tried hard to coordinate its efforts at the national level to speed up the legislative process and maximze the President's agenda. 

It would slow things down politically...  and result in a lot more dissent among conservatives...  but even that would be a good thing.

I have irritated a lot of conservatives because I was against the Iraq War...  And for that reason people have been hasty to declare me a liberal.  But I think that kind of argument is good.  It leads to better decisions. 

I'm looking forward to a more interesting Republican Party.

366 I understand the wish to throw people out of the tent who you think are RINOs, or heretics for dissing Palin, or whatevs. You want to attain some People's Front of Judea-style ideological purity. I dunno. Call me crazy, but dontcha think that in a democracy, the way to win is to have a big tent with MORE people in it, not less? Posted by: Judean People's Front

The people complaining about being pushed out of the tent are the same people who have no problems pushing people out themselves they disagree with. Their other tactic, is to redesign the tent until it is unrecognizable.

367

I understand the wish to throw people out of the tent who you think are RINOs, or heretics for dissing Palin, or whatevs. You want to attain some People's Front of Judea-style ideological purity. I dunno. Call me crazy, but dontcha think that in a democracy, the way to win is to have a big tent with MORE people in it, not less? Posted by: Judean People's Front

 

Yes, look how well it worked this time. We drug fucking Democrats into the Party and called them Republicans because they agreed with the war and voted for big government spending on everything else. Look how fucking well that worked. Why we got 10 million fewer votes to the polls.

 

Hell, next time why not just eliminate the fucking R, maybe we’ll get 50 million fewer votes and Ralph Fucking Nader will come in second. Yeah, we can be the party of the big fucking circus tent enhabited by fucking clowns that aren’t funny.

 

How do conservatives win the 'Promise Anything' game that gets politicians elected

 

I explained that this morning. The only way to stop that is to stop the people who don’t pay taxes from voting. That will take a new Constitutional Convention or a revolution.

368

Coastie,

Perhaps you should look at a map.

The same people 100 years ago that said the federal government was too big (it WASN'T about slavery) are still voting against the Federal Government, and by the way our people are still fighting the wars for your damn Yankees start.

Southerners and those from the South, Mid Westerns are the only Red States. 

Remember, NY State was the ONLY state NOT to vote to leave Great Britain.  They have been assholes since 1775.

NOTHING has changed in 233 years, we should have invaded DC when we could in 1860 and finished this shit.

We were too polite.  Grant got us over that.

Kemp 

 

 

369 -What do Obama cultists like? Obama
-What is Obama? an empty suit
-What does Obama like? whatever Obama cultists like

Ladies and gents, we have a power vacuum. Mostly because of the vacuity of our new overlords' minds. If we are calm, sober, and sound pretentious as all hell. We can still get our political goals met. All we have to do is re-state our ideas and not present ourselves as the enemy. Al-Taqiyya ring any bells?

370 I feel a lot of sympathy for conservatives who are unhappy about the election outcome. We have all rooted for a losing side during an election, and it can be a bit depressing to see the side you dislike triumph. So I don't take pleasure in the misery of rightwing commentators. With a few exceptions. After reading your blog's absurd and hateful crap, full of the most ridiculously cartoonish hysterical exaggerations, I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that those few bloggers who stoke the flames of hatred and turn American against American are right now freaking out and counting down to the apocalypse.

371

370

 

Pot. Kettle. Black.    Today's Huffington Post is full of the most vitriolic hate against a sitting Governor (Sarah Palin) you could ever hope to read.    Clean up the hatred spills in your own supermarket aisle and take your smug superiority with you.

372 The we're better than them sounds so good.  Its the song losers sing.  I have no stomach for losers.  I have no use for people who pledge to wear their Sunday best while their opponents hunker down in the gutter.  One simply doesn't win by ignoring the tactics of your opponents and pledging to adhere to the high ground.    Unless you like being a loser.

373 I think ours was
better

374 I think ours was better

375

But, apparently, wanting click-through traffic from the Nazis to your blog by linking your URL is okay. Go figure.

Asshole.

376 bunny boy at November 05, 2008 12:14 PM (YsSn7)

bunny boy has balls!

I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that those few bloggers who stoke the flames of hatred and turn American against American are right now freaking out and counting down to the apocalypse. Andy at November 05, 2008 03:36 PM (X/Btu)

What comforts me is that the most likely terrorist attacks will occur in those areas that voted predominately for Obama. So, if there is to be an apocalypse, it will happened on obama's watch and on leftards. You have no one to blame but yourselves.

377 270
I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that those few bloggers who stoke the flames of hatred and turn American against American

Got amnesia numbnuts? McChimpy Bushitler Haliburton/Cheney fascist, war criminal blood for oil, etc?

are right now freaking out and counting down to the apocalypse.
Since Obama's own pick Biden said it won't even be 6 months until something happens, you do realize SOMETHING is going to happen right?

The question is, is it 6 months from today or 6 months from January 20, 2009?

378 Yes, Palin will be the next subject for the liberal Hate Machine. It started on CNN today with a very biased profile. They want to neutralize her for 2012.

379

Not surprisingly, I was not invited to my colleague's "explanation" of what happened yesterday. I can hear the laughter from my office. Every one of them brainwash the students, and do not allow them to think for themselves in class. These kids have no fear of socialism's spectre, and think that government can solve their problems so they don't have to.

The conservative movement will need a strong grass roots effort to not only battle the ACORN and MoveOn's of the world, but the stupidity, and sponsored/permitted laziness that is prevalent in today's youth culture.

380 You know, tho... there is one good thing about an Obama presidency.

I have a six year old boy.

He will grow up in a world without threats. When I was a kid, Reagan was president, and everywhere I looked, someone was telling me, watch out kid!

And because you were a child, you did not realize it was the democrats and the left trying to scare the hell out of you for their own political purposes. You are an adult now and you should acknowledge that Reagan was right and you should be thankful towards him.

Now, the leftards have politicized global warming and are scaring more small children to death.

Since, Obama will continue this crap, I feel very sorry for your son being subjected to these cheap political scare tactics imposed on children.

Don't leftards love their children? Obviously, not!

381

I have no use for the guy he can kiss my ass.

I put up with BDS for 8 years, payback is a bitch. Everytime my liberal friends get another chunk taken out of their check or bitch about their energy bills I'm going to be standing right there with a sweet smile on my face reminding these assholes just whom they voted for.

382

My daughter took a lot of crap at school today.

My little grassroots group is taking shape.  I think we're going to start with GOP "flashmobs."  There was nothing more edifying and exciting than attending a McCain/Palin rally with 23,000 people who shared OUR dreams and ideals.

We have to stand up and fight to be heard, hold our elected officials accountable, and reshape the GOP.

383 "I'm simply saying that in our zeal to defeat him and his policies, we shouldn't go overboard and turn into the shrill hatemongers we have spent the last eight years despising.'

Why not? It worked for the Dems. I think this election was largely won on the fact that Dems have successfully demonized and ridiculed Republicans, aided by the press.

I think we should do just the opposite of what you suggest

btw, "pixie", supposed tech genius, your lame work-around for long lines really sucks when you are legitimately posting a long line of HTML that wouldn't even show onscreen- it blocks that as well. There is a simple bit of script that truncates long URLs and forces line-breaks in regular text. It's not new or advanced, we put it on our forum in 2001 and it was old then.

384 You gotta be kidding, John McCain took the high road and look where it got him.  You fight fire with fire and this bastard is unscrupulous.  If you don't want to fight, go home and have a tea party.

385 Woah! I'm receding! Thanks Barack!

386 Demonization is not essential to opposition.

Alinsky might disagree.

387 You said, "in our zeal to defeat him and his policies, we shouldn't go overboard and turn into the shrill hatemongers we have spent the last eight years despising."

Let's not forget the previous eight years WE spent spewing blind rage at Clinton. There's NOT A SHRED of difference between the hatred that BOTH sides have shown -- I don't care how much anyone wishes to rationalize that such hatred was a reaction to either no character or no competence.

From JT
A solid right Republican

388 Sorry Ace... no can do. I will never give this worthless sack of crap an ounce of credit or respect. That is earned and Obama has done nothing in his entire life to be worthy or respect or this office. He is the same terrorist supporting, compulsive lying, narcassistic, racist, America-hating Marxist today that he has been for his entire, undistinguished marketing-gimmick of a life.

We have elected good Presidents and bad Presidents in our country's history. We have even had good Presidents go bad and bad Presidents who have distingushed themselves. Barack Obama is not and will never be a President. He is nothing more that the personification of the failure of Affirmative Action and a symbol of how far our country has deevolved into a pathetic mass of mindless imbiciles who are so blinded by light shows, shiny objects and boy-band/ American Idol marketing campaigns.

For the first time in my life I am embarrassed to be an American. We have witnessed the failure of our 232 year old democracy. The only publicly funded housing this empty-suit has earned the right to reside is a prison cell.

389 I'm humbled by the attempt at bringing conservatives to a hateless patriotism in the aftermath of Obama being elected, but I think it's pretty ridiculous to claim that leftists specialize in hatred when we typically called McCain old and Palin and Bush stupid; meanwhile most of you claimed-- and apparently are relentless in claiming-- that Obama is a socialist, terrorist, unpatriotic, aspiring dictator, and wished all sorts of terrible things to befall him and his running mate.

390 See the post above mine if you need an example of what I'm talking about.

391 Although I was so depressed yesterday that I didn't sleep well (okay, I also have a bad cough), I will pray for Obama because he will be our president, whether I like it or not, and it is in our best interests that he governs well (even though, that will probably not happen).  I hate his ideas and do not like his character, but he is a fellow human being and I wish him the best.

392 Nov 5
By LIZ SIDOTI
Associated Press Writer

No new president has faced so much since Franklin Delano Roosevelt—and even he didn't have two wars on his plate.

No new president has faced so much since Franklin Delano Roosevelt?

I hate to inject some facts into this unbiased analysis.

Off the top of my head---I'm sure people could add to this…

1945---Harry Truman-the first new president since FDR---I'd say his plate was as full as Barry's…
FDR dies after 12+years in office
World War II winding down in Europe
Not yet over in Asia
Should I drop the bomb; how will we divide Europe, etc.

1953---Dwight Eisenhower
US troops still fighting in Korea
Cold War

1961---JFK
Cold War---anything else?

1963---LBJ
Cold War---considering use of troops in Vietnam

1969---Richard Nixon
Ongoing war in Vietnam
Unrest/protests at home/tumult/turmoil of 1968 assassinations

1974---Gerald Ford
Cold War
Mop-up of Watergate
Mop-up of Vietnam
poor economy [How long have Democrats been using the "Worst economic conditions since the Depression?]

1977---Jimmy Carter
Cold War---as in USSR has thousands? of nuclear weapons pointed at the US
Anything else?

1981---Ronald Reagan
Hostages in Iran (for about a half-hour or so)
Cold War---Soviet advances in Afghanistan, Central America, etc.
Misery Index---astronomical interest rates, unemployment, etc.

1989---George H.W. Bush
Cold War winding down---anything else?

1993---Bill Clinton
The worst economy since the Great Depression---in his words!

2001---George W. Bush
Slumping economy---anything else?

11 presidents; I would definitely say
Truman, Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford and Reagan
faced more, or at least as much
as Barry the Organizer

No perspective and weak analysis from AP. Shocking!

393 The republican party needs to look at this as a chance for reorganization.  Grace and dignity in defeat is paramount in a situation like this.  The illuminati left won on personality and slander, and that can only take a party so far.  Soon their supporters will realize it, and the conservatives need to be accomodating if we are ever to retake the Capitol.

394 Great blogs, hold onto the passion and anger.  And another thing, did anyone hear Bracky say they don't celebrate Christmas?  He says his kids get more than enough during the year.  Of course he lies repeatedly so I don't know yet what to believe.  What no Whitehouse decorations or national Christmas tree?  I think that Muslims don't celebrate Christmas either.  Someone correct me if I am wrong please.  I guess we will have a bonfire on the south lawn and native Kenyan dancing.

395

And one more thing:  Pat Dollard had some pretty contentious pics of Brackey's late mother (naked as a jay bird) along with pictures of his three fathers.  I say three because after looking at Barack Obama Sr, Lolo Soetoro, and Frank Marshall Davis, it is grossly apparent that Davis is the daddy.  He is a known communist and was Bracky's mentor.  Nothing John could have used (naked stuff not kosher) but the pics of the papas could have been widely circulated.  www.patdollard.com

396

#60 "Hot news flash, the BDS WORKED. "

GTFO temp. This is my job.

397

Oh noes! The comment section lost Mr. Mets manifesto II or III. It was the only comment that was close to funny. So close and lost forever.

398 135 Watching the coming disaster of the Obama administrationis akin to watching your mother-in-law drive over a cliff in your new car.

Posted by: Scipio at November 05, 2008 11:28 AM (T1l1O)

Sort of like the best moment of your life but tainted with a few worries on whether you wuill be able to get an insurance payout or not to replace the car?

399 Liberal idiots still claim jesus was a liberal when he realy was a conservative

400 "Shrill hatemongers"? How can anyone suggest that the right-wing would even be capable of such? Four years of high-volume bitching and moaning, sniping, slander, and libel is likely, but hate mongering, never!

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