1

Sorry for the annoying double post, but I posted this at the end of the last thread:

Did anyone notice the headline over at JAWA

Russia Announces Missile Deployment Targeting U.S. Installations and then there's this one

Hamas fires over 35 rockets towardsIsrael

That was fast wasn't it.

2 Black mamba. Venemous. Bit whitey's exposed pee pee.

Does it sting?

- O

3

#2 so that's it, that's all you have to be proud of, Enjoy your moment.

4 #2 Ask your mom why whitey's pee-pee was exposed in the first place.

At least she got to sleep in the house for a change, huh?

5

Five "Oh, Hey - Our Bad" Moments from the Press

5  Obama's 2008 campaign declares bankruptcy resulting in MBNA eating  $100,000,000 in fraudulent charges made to Obama's campaign.

4.  Jeremiah Wright Gives Inauguration Invocation and resumes role as Barack's spiritual adviser

3.  Bill Ayers named Special Presidential Adviser on Educational Issues.  Obama cites long-standing friendship and respect for Ayer's work.

2.  Oprah named Special Envoy to London, Par

1.  Israel Faces Immediate Existential Threat as a test of Obama's leadership.  Middle East turned into parking lot by March 2009.

 

6 I have some suggestions on how we should welcome our new president.

First, demonize him and ascribe his motives to evil and malfeasance, not just policy differences. We should proclaim often and loudly that he is not our president, that he stole the election and he has no mandate. We should repeat false stories about him, no matter how crazy or wrong, until they are accepted as common wisdom. We should create lies and urban legends to smear him and demean him. We should ridicule any verbal slips or gaffes, and ascribe them to his native stupidity and intellectual vapidity. We should accuse him of every sin and crime under the sun and attempt to have him impeached for policy differences, which we should call crimes. We should undermine any programs he wants to pass by misstating their goals and content. We should take quotes out of context to make him seem ridiculous and to make him seem mean-spirited. We should repeat often that he doesn't care about people who aren't the same race as he is, and that he is only out for his own kind. We should claim that he is going to try to force a coup and take over the country by force. We should claim he's going to lock up any dissenters. We should loudly scream about losing our rights and interfere with his speechs and disrupt any gatherings of his party. Our politicians should cynically misstate his policies to make him look bad.

Heck, it worked for the Dems after Bush was elected in 2004, right?

7 We're already hearing from the pundits that this bum won't be able to govern so far to the left. We're hearing that he'll probably be more moderate. We're beyond all of this vicious partisanship. What makes these people believe this? We know what this guy is. He is bad news. The HOPINESS has changed sides. Good God?

8 When Steven den Beste speaks about something other than goofy foreign cartoons with big eyes and improbably tight outfits, it pays to listen.

9 I don't understand what we are supposed to do here, make comments about the "Top Headlines"? Isn't "top headlines" redundant?

10

docweasel,

dont' forget we also need a cartoon called lil bama, and we also need to refer to him as barackhitler.

11 No.  There are headlines.  And then there are elite fucking headlines.

The elite fucking headlines go in the left fucking column of the main fucking page.

And this is their fucking comment thread.

12 Oh, no! Laura Ingrahm is defending David Brooks and Peggy Nooner. Shoot me now!

13 Palin 2012

14 Morons, go now and read the den Best article from #8 above, and remember: Laugh and the world laughs with you. Cry and you'll dilute your beer.

15 PoconoJoe @ 7

I'm with you.  Why on earth would anyone think Obama is going to take a turn back towards the center? 

The Dems picked up seats in the house and the senate.  Their leadership has gone on record regarding tax increases on a whole host of things e.g. gas, coal, etc.  They have openly contemplated taxing 401ks.  We could go on and on RE liberal programs.

If I'm a Dem, I'm thinking, yep, this is what Americans want.  They've heard us say it again and again. 

16 3. Bill Ayers named Special Presidential Adviser on Educational Issues. Obama cites long-standing friendship and respect for Ayer's work.

Obama is on the down low...

17 Seems last night America told me to eat shit and die. Can I have a napkin?

18

Bad News, out of Jagger.

Good News, liquor stores ARE open today!!

And, unlike Seagram's Gin, the brothers don't drink Jagger, so there will still be some in da sto.

19 The instapundit/red state jihad against Republican pork (starting in 2005) was incredibly counter-productive, and the last thing we needed. Pork ISN'T the problem; it is huge spending like senior drug program and bailout bill that our important. Who cares if our side are crooks as long as they vote the correct way on MAJOR bills. (All politicians are crooks.)

The typical American voter actually thinks we have budget deficits because of pork rather than because of entitlements. We HAVE to educate them, or we can't win long-term.

btw, Indiana is a microcosm of why we lost. The counties that Bush was winning 3-1 were barely won by McCain. The bailout bill was the final straw with those folks. Our voters didn't show up.

20 Let's all move to Dubai. Hell, think of how many major corporations will by Jan. 22.

21 I will commemorate this election by sending a donation today to Operation Gratitude and Injured Marine Semper Fi Fund.  I need to feel like I did something worthwhiled today.

22

I woke up this morning comforted by this thought:

Barack Obama has never done anything in office, he has just been there.  He has no accomplishments.  If he continues this trend, we'll be alright.

On the other hand, he has always had a higher asperations in the past.  So he has made sure not to take a position on anything.  Now he has reached the highest office, so that won't be a concern. Maybe the ideas of a second term, and (god forbid he gets a second term) his legacy will keep him milquetoast.

23 I see three possible options for the next 4-8 years for conservatives:

1) Option one: What did Barak know and when did he know it?

We have real lawbreaking by Obama's campaign with vast illegal contributions and massive voter fraud. Time to push for an Independent Counsel. This has the effect of delegitimizing BO and possible impeachment should it lead to the top.

This is the hardest option. It requires guts, hardheadedness and the GOP to stay on message for at least two years. Because BO's black, the race cards would come fast and furious.

The charges are true and probably do lead to the top. But

I don't see it working, due to lack of political stomach.


2) Option Two: Loyal Opposition/Rebuild

Oppose BO at every turn that we don't agree with. Point out the problems with his plans. Give ownership to the Dims - screw bipartisanship. Rebuild conservatism with attractive "diverse" faces.

Problem: McCain still in congress to give cover to RINO's. Remember he's now the face of the GOP. He needs to be sidelined and sent out to pasture. He didn't/doesn't have the guts to fight.


3) Option Three: Keep your enemies close.

We shouldn't have to worry every four years if we're going to turn the US over to a bunch of bull-goose looney leftists.

The Dims used to have the Scoop Jackson/Love America wing. It's time for conservatives to enter the democrat party at the grass roots level and make sure that a significant percentage of elected democrat officials would oppose straight up the anti-Americanism, anti-military, anti-business nuttiness of the current leadership.

We'd be a better country if 2 and 3 would happen. Though 1 would be fun.

24

There's a couple of things we can learn from this election

1. Playing by the rules is for suckers.

2. Honor is meaningless when the culture that created the concept of honor is demonized.

3. When you are attacked you FIGHT BACK

4. We can't just rely on Rush and Sean to get the message out. They'll be silenced before the end of next year. The press is totally hostile and effectively a propaganda arm of the Dems. We need to develop ways to reach a mass audience that can by-pass the press and the Fairness Doctrine.

5. We need political leadership unafraid to stand up FOR US. And more importantly our principles!

6. Every elected office in this country MUST be contested for. Its disgusting that people like Jefferson, Frank, and Pelosi had no serious opposition.

7. We need to target certian dems for defeat in 2010 NOW! Frank, Murtha, Dodd, Jefferson, Schumer, Reid, and Pelosi all need to have credible candidates opposing them.

8. Bipartisanship is a four letter word for Conservatives. No more compromising. No play-along-to-get-along crap.

9. Schadenfreud is NOT going to win the election in 2010. Principled positions are. Being Lefty-lite is not going to win elections.

10. Never let the NY Times pick your presidential candidate!

 

25 Michele Bachman was re-elected!

26 1. Playing by the rules is for suckers.

Guess I'll die a sucker, because becoming what I hate would be something far worse.  What principles are you fighting for if you abandon all principles in the course of the fight?

27

Stocks opened lower today.  Lest we perpetuate the myth that Obama's the choice of investors/businessmen, sell stock to drive down the Dow.  Dump a few shares if you can afford it; take a capital loss so the Obama Administration has less revenue next year.   

 

28 24 There's a couple of things we can learn from this election

1. Playing by the rules is for suckers.

I know a bunch of people will be tempted by this kind of thought, especially today.  I think the biggest lessons are these:

Figure out what the party stands for and stand for it.

Articulate those principles.  Explain why we are for working families, small business, low taxes, growth, gun ownership, personal freedom, etc.  Explain why we believe in American exceptionalism, American traditions, American ideals.

We have too many leaders who give these things lip service, the public doesn't believe them, nor should they.  People who get into office and become part of the club.  That is the rot in our movement.

Sure we need to be more muscular in defending ourselves, but if we are running real conseratives, ones with personality and wit, it is easy.  Reagan could do it, WFB could do it, because they were solid in what they believed and they loved the arena.

We don't need to become the infantile mirror of the DailyKos. 

29

docweasel, going nuts with anti-Obama bullshit completely fails for Republicans. That is because the MSM ignores the accusation until it is proven false, and then broadcasts "right wing dirty tricks". Look at the wild, unsourced claims thrown around on this very site. Look at Ashley Todd.

A better plan is for autonomy-minded governors in red states to band together under an inter-state compact and to assert their constitutional rights, particularly the Second Amendment. (The Gulf Coast states seem best positioned for this.) Support Obama as President; make it impossible for Obama as tyrant.

30
@26:

So you still support campaign finance reform?

31 First, I want to apologize to Ace. I did fly off the handle yesterday on his bashing of McCain post. I was pissed off and taking it out on him.

Now, that I've calmed down, I'm ready to get to work to get our party back on track and defeat the liberals who want to destroy our country.

That being said, I will never call Barack Hussein Obama my president. We need to continue to dig into his past and expose him for what he truly is - a fraud. We need to get the vet the media site up and running and expose the media for what they are - lying bastards.

Let's roll.

32 Steven den Beste is an optimist.

Armageddon scenarios do apply. …and re-read Chittum’s “Civil War II.”

See also: “The Rise & Fall Of Civilizations” by Miller, Joubert and Butler.

…and while yer at it, toss in a economic depression scenario.

A McCain presidency might’ve given us some breathing room. An Obama presidency with a Pelosi and Reid controlled House and Senate doesn’t give us any breathing room at all.

I still say that the Democrats are Socialist-Communists in all but name and that the Republicans are National Socialists in all but name. Parse and Fisk their respective platforms and you’ll see what I mean.

In the short-term, we’d a been better off with McCain. There woulda been a better chance at a long, slow, slide to the bottom than a gut-wrenching crash. Expect Iran and Syria to have a go at Israel. As it is now, Iran and the militant Muslims have a green light. Expect Al Queda and other Muslim extremist groups to pick up more support as well as gaining a more competent and more active leadership. Whether anyone in America wants to believe it or not, THEY think that Obama’s a Muslim. Additionally, the first chance he gets, Putin’s gonna have Obama flambé…and the Chinese will turn Obama every which way but loose. Chicago politics gots nuthin’ on the Chinese…

Additionally, Muslim groups in America (more than 6 million Muslims, at least 1/10 of whom are Muslim extremists and militants) will now become ever more active politically and socially. You're not going to like the outcome. I can promise you that.

On top of all that, the Dow chart is currently at the top of a classic head and shoulders pattern. Once Obama’s cabinet is made public, especially his Fed Reserve pick, the market WILL react.
(reference: Shadowstats.com)

Just remember, Democrat voters and Bob Barr voters and conservatives who were trying to 'teach the Republicans a lesson': What ever happens now, you own it.

What you’re going to own is a complete and utter disaster. You’re going to own all of the suffering. You’re going to own all of the dead. You’re going to own the economic collapse. You’re going to own the diplomatic failures. You’re going to own the wars. You're going to own it all. You don’t have
anyone else to blame.

33

Anyway it's easy to argue against docweasel's proposal, as it is dishonourable and stupid, and he probably doesn't believe it himself.

I propose Ace add a new thread dedicated to serious discussion on what to do. Options involving armed forces mutiny, terrorism, and lies would be ruled off the table and posts advocating same to be subject to i-love-balls alteration by the mods.

34 @30 So you still support campaign finance reform?

I support campaign finance reform only insofar as I believe all future candidates should be forced to spend an equal amount of money on their campaigns, and that money should not exceed the cost of a couple of pieces of posterboard for handmade campaign signs duct-taped to the side of the '95 Dodge minivan they tour around the country in.

35

Guess I'll die a sucker, because becoming what I hate would be something far worse.  What principles are you fighting for if you abandon all principles in the course of the fight?

I'm thinking more along the lines of Kobayshi Maru. Right now I see a stacked deck, and an opponent shoving aces up his sleeve faster than Ace downs Val-U-Rite. But we can't keep playing the game like Bush and McCain did.

36 Steven den Beste's article is interesting, but I don't know why anyone should believe that the MSM is going to try to restore its credibility by going after Obama. The MSM just got what it wanted, got their man elected, showed they still have massive power to shape the narrative, and they got it precisely by being unabashedly, almost criminally partisan. Not enough people cared. Why wouldn't they continue being in the tank for Barack?

Nope, I think their narrative is set for at least 8 years. Everything Obama does will be hailed as brilliant, and anything that goes wrong will still be blamed as a legacy of Bush. Opposing voices will not be heard. Truth and facts will matter less than ever.

37 we can't keep playing the game like Bush and McCain did.

Certainly, but then again they're not exactly conservatives, were they?

Did the Reagan revolution start as a result of the right jiggering the election process, taking untold and untraceable millions in illegal campaign contributions, and almost  completely co-opting the media?

(Well...if you ask a leftie, yeah, probably all of the above.)

But seriously, here in the real world...none of that.  It was all the power of the man himself, and the rejection of everything Carter stood for.  He didn't need cheat codes, ok?

38 iblis-- you said it! Straight on. I can't be around the mother-f'ing liberals today. In my town in litchfield county, CT it's all happy faces. I took my daughter to her ballet class and the dance studio owners already had brought in their champagne bottles to "celebrate" The One's victory. I hate people today.

39 What I learned from this election. 
Never nominate someone who is unwilling to go for the jugular.  Politics is a dirty, nasty business.  No open primaries anywhere. It's time for a new generation of real conservatives to step it up and not shut up.

Palin 2012

40

And David Frum's solution (a final solution?) in the pages of the National Post: court the Hispanic vote and throw the Christians under the bus.

41

Oh, yeah, and Joe is full of shit, so abandon him. (While conveniently ignoring Tito.)

42

Frum isn't recommending a pander to Hispanics. He's saying that's a non-starter. Read the first page again.

Frum is recommending a pander to college grads -

"College-educated Americans have come to believe that their money is safe with Democrats -- but that their values are under threat from Republicans. And there are more and more of these college-educated Americans all the time.

"So the question for the GOP is: Will it pursue them? To do so will involve painful change, on issues ranging from the environment to abortion. And it will involve potentially even more painful changes of style and tone: toward a future that is less overtly religious, less negligent with policy and less polarizing on social issues."

Instead of fighting the campus culture, the Right is to cede the ground to it. And yeah, Christians (including Catholics, including Latinos) are to be sidelined in Frumistan.

43 From the headline about how it is not the end of the world:

Iran will get nuclear weapons. There will be nuclear war between Iran and Israel. (This is the only irreversibly terrible thing I see upcoming, and it's very bad indeed.)


Now I don't know what your definition of the end of the world is, but mine involves nuclear war.  And I'm sure that once the nuclear missiles start flying between Iran and Israel that everybody else will just sit down and work out all of their problems over a brunch rather than doing anything rash.

44 30
@26:

So you still support campaign finance reform?

I heard Johnny Mac complaining last week on TV that Obama had ruined campaign finance reform by refusing to accept public financing.  Clue:  Any system that depends upon the good will of sociopaths is doomed to failure.

45

I would be in support of a new discussion thread on "Where do we go from here and How do we get there"...as long as we drop this kissy face bullshit talk. The Democrats did not take control by playing nicey two shoes. If you don't want to fight, then wallow in the stench our spineless party has become.

We elect our local candidates to represent us, not pander to the Democrats to show how bi-partisan they are, then be stabbed in the back by those they played nice with.

I suppose we voted for the man, but didn't hear his message...STAND UP AND FIGHT!!! He nearly overcame insurmountable odds. We owe him that.

46 39 What I learned from this election. 
Never nominate someone who is unwilling to go for the jugular.  Politics is a dirty, nasty business.  No open primaries anywhere. It's time for a new generation of real conservatives to step it up and not shut up.

It was not Johnny Mac's unwillingness to go for the jugular that cost him the election.  The real lesson is don't stab your base in the back.  At least not over and over and over again.

47

Frum doesn't care about "social issues" being a campaign issue, btw. "Please recycle!" is a social issue, "no smoking" is a social issue, "buy fair trade" is a social issue, "compassionate farming" is a social issue. The Left is full of social issues, which annoy libertarians just as much as he imagines an anti-Roe plank would annoy them - but Frum doesn't see enemies to his left.

48

Gabriel - You're a new lawyer, granted, but don't you see a "wee" problem with Den Beste's analysis? 

Den Beste fails to factor into his optimism the “rules change” resulting from The One's imminent Supreme Court nominations. De Beste assumes that our new King’s reign will be tempered by Constitutional limitations. We both know, however, that several Justices will be “persuaded” to retire soon and will be replaced by Justices that promote “fairness and equality” (read: unlimited federal power). At that point, De Beste’s analysis falls flat.

Stated concisely: Den Beste assumes that The One will be subject to the same rules as his predecessors; he fails to understand that The One intends to re-write the rules.    

49 I read den Beste. I respect his views, but I think he's wrong, and much too optimistic. He says the Dems will have to do this and have to do that. Sorry, no. The Dems are after one thing - POWER - and now they have it in spades. Totalitarians don't have to please the people. People who hate this country and want to take it down are now in control of it.

This must be what it felt like to be a passenger on one of the planes hijacked on 9/11.

After seeing the amount of fraud aided and abetted by government officials, the idea that "we are a nation of laws, not men" has been completely discredited.

50 Barack Obama has never done anything in office, he has just been there.  He has no accomplishments.  If he continues this trend, we'll be alright.

Obama is a front. The people behind him are in power now.

51 Michael Crichton, RIP

52 Frum:

"College-educated Americans have come to believe that their money is safe with Democrats -- but that their values are under threat from Republicans. And there are more and more of these college-educated Americans all the time."

That's true, but I disagree with Frum's solution. The only solution it appears is that these voters must learn that their money ISN'T safe with Democrats. Let's be honest -- in a sense we've won most the fights -- we've pushed the Dems far to the right on taxes, crime, etc. We need to return to small government principles so that we are a constant threat to the Dems to regain power if they stray too far left.

Also, when do Dems win? When the Soviet Union falls and when Islamic terrorism appears to fall. Minus a national security concern, women vote Dem and there is nothing we can do about that.

53 Wow. Michael Crichton died.

54 NY Times: Democrats Widen Senate Edge to Solid Majority
The Democrats appeared to fall short of the 60-vote majority that would enable them to push bills to a vote by overcoming filibusters.

Young Jedi, you have no idea of the power of the dark side.   You cling to your friends thinking that this "filibuster" will save you.  An entire legion await your friends.  I'm  afraid this filibuster shield is going to be destroyed along with your pitiful band of friends.

You MUST obey your master.

55 RIP, Michael Crichton. A smart man with a fertile mind and an agile pen. We've lost a good one. Deepest condolences to his family.

56 Since Obama wants Rahm has his Chief do you think we will now get 100's of stories about the neo-lib jews secretly running our foreign policy?

57 David,
  If you are paraphrasing Frum right then he is a fucking idiot. If that were true how does he explain gay marriage going down everywhere? The total flip on drilling and global warming? The abortion props that went down last night went barely in very liberal Cal voting Obama and badly worded elsewhere. There is nothing to indicate the GOP should jump left on social issues, it's total bullshit.
It didn't save one damn RINO in the NE. The GOP should make the contrast starker, everywhere. People want a real damn choice if they are going to show up at the polls. people are damn tired of the lesser of 2 evils.

58 So the question for the GOP is: Will it pursue them? To do so will involve painful change, on issues ranging from the environment to abortion. And it will involve potentially even more painful changes of style and tone: toward a future that is less overtly religious, less negligent with policy, and less polarizing on social issues. That’s a future that leaves little room for Sarah Palin – but the only hope for a Republican recovery.

Ask that question if Chris Shays, John Sununu and Elizabeth Dole. Ask it of the few republican senators in the NE who seats will surely turn blue if they retire or if the dems put up a popular candidate. What an idiot. Rockefeller's zombie just will not fucking die. Adopting liberal social issues won't do shit.

59 BTW...Landrieu won in LA despite McCain taking LA 60-40. Anyone really doubt that her vote against the bailout put her over?
Backing that bailout was the single stupidest thing the Republican leadership has done in 10 years. They had a bold and clear opportunity to set themselves as against Bush's "evil" economic policies, as the MSM would say, and what did they do? Jumped aboard with gusto! Assholes.

60 I have a good question. Voting was flat or down all the way from NE through the rust belt and the upper midwest. State by state, even Illinois.
One big exception....Indiana, a state that went red by 20% 4 years ago.
McCain got 140,000 less votes in Indiana as Bush did in 2004.
Indiana is the only state North of the Mason Dixon with a large increase in turnout, almost 10%.  Kerry got 970,000 votes in Indiana in 2004, Obama got 1,367,000. That is a over a 40% increase for Obama. Obama not only got the 140,000 that didn't vote for McCain but voted for Bush, Obama got the ENTIRE increase in the state of new voters. In a deeply red state. Does this seem even remotely possible?
Voting was flat or down all across the North, even in hotly contested states like Ohio and PA. Indiana has a 10% increase?!?
I wonder how many jupmed the border from Illinois? How the hell could Illinois be flat with Obama running?

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