1 "

So the Ace of Spades Decision Desk calls this for Franken."

 

You mean Coleman, right?

2 In point of fact, two big counties in California, San Diego (conservative) and Santa Clara (liberal), both have reported only 60.3% of their precincts as they battle for the Gary, Indiana award. I think Prop. 8 will pass, but I wouldn't call it yet.

Also, conservative icon Tom McClintock leads by 451 votes in the 4th congressional district with officially sanctioned vote counting done for the evening.

3 Dude, it's been a long night, you mean Coleman

4 Either Ace is doing his impression of Alan Greenspan or he mis-typed.

5 I think that third bottle of vodka is finally taking effect...

6 So what's the final senate tally? Do we have a fillibuster?

7 i say Coleman holds on

8 ookay so you're really making 3 calls, not 2?

9 " 4 Either Ace is doing his impression of Alan Greenspan or he mis-typed."   You mean his impression of Joe Biden.  Excuse me, Vice-President Biden.  (Feels the urge to vomit uncontrollably upon typing those words).

10

So what's the final senate tally? Do we have a fillibuster?

nope but enough to make any shit that hits the fan blamed on dems, we've taken the shit for everything since fucking 94, their turn, see how they like getting all the blame now

11 ps: hearing stocks may dive, world markets did overnight

12 Coleman's lead down to about 1600.

13

"So what's the final senate tally? Do we have a fillibuster?"

 

Dems are at 56.  If we can hang on with Coleman and Stevens, it will stay that way.  They need 60 to be filibuster proof.  The extra 2 would be good for those issues where a couple of a Republicans are a bit squishy.

14 Thank you, slatecard ...

Otherwise, would not have know about Tom McClintock.

Actually, thank you to all the inyourface reporters writing about which Republicans were going down, as then I learned the names of who to contribute too.

I hope we can get William Russell to stay in PA and develop the grass roots for 2010...  but hope is not a strategy.

15 Ultimately, I don't think this is going to be as bad as everyone thinks (at least I hope).  A couple of good things come out of this.  I think the left in the country has to fully invest themselves in the war on terror.  They can no longer afford to sit back and poke at W for trying to do the right thing.  I don't think Obama is stupid enough to withdraw from Iraq.
Culturally, I think (again hope) that this will change race relations in the US.  I don't think guys like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton will be taken as seriously any more.  How can you claim that America is racist and a black guy can't get ahead in the country when the most powerful man in the world is now Obama?
On the down side, I think he is dumb enough to lengthen the recession by raising taxes.

16 CNN has it at 40 Republican senators. Georgia looks solid for 41 plus 2 or 3 more seats with alaska, oregon, and minnesota.

17

I hope we can get William Russell to stay in PA and develop the grass roots for 2010...  but hope is not a strategy.

the guy lost to a guy who called the voters racist and rednecks, PA are filled w/ fucking morons

18 Down to 7 fucking hundred. I will fucking move to another country if the people of this great country vote a washed up comedian that even Hollywood hates to the fucking US Senate.

19 DAMN! It's down to a 676 vote difference, with Coleman and Franken at over 1.2 mil apiece. Trend's not good.

20

"CNN has it at 40 Republican senators. Georgia looks solid for 41 plus 2 or 3 more seats with alaska, oregon, and minnesota."

I think you can add Lieberman to the list as a 1/2 Republican, as he will likely get kicked out of the Democratic caucaus as revenge and will side with us on many important issues. 

21 How many precincts left to report in MN?

22 I'm starting to wonder if Minnesota is taking its cues from Washington four years ago -- keep counting till it puts the Democrat over.

23 Squishy republicans MUST be eliminated next time around. I was not going to vote this year until Mac picked Palin. I will never support a RINO again even if they are propped up by a conservative.

24

Down to 7 fucking hundred. I will fucking move to another country if the people of this great country vote a washed up comedian that even Hollywood hates to the fucking US Senate.

this country just elected a guy who started his political carrer in the home of a terrorist over a guy that spend 5 years as a POW, it also elected a guy who called votersracist and rednecks, why would this suprise you?

25 William Russell got 40% of the vote after starting his campaign less than what - 6 months ago?  1 year?

And, FPoBA hasn't bankrupted the coal industry yet.  In 2 years he might.

26

Squishy republicans MUST be eliminated next time around. I was not going to vote this year until Mac picked Palin. I will never support a RINO again even if they are propped up by a conservative.

i think we learn our lesson and if mitt or palin runs they'll come into the primaries w/ a good little following unlike this cycle where we didn't back anyone up until Mac got up on everyone

27 Caligula's horse was a Senator, once ...

28 First of all, congratulations to President-elect Barack Obama and Vice-President elect Joe Biden.  Job well done.

Wow, that felt strange.  I'll get used to it though.

Second, once President Obama assumes office, I suspect not much will change on the GWOT front.  Obama and Biden have been receiving briefings from months now.  Obama probably has a pretty good idea of what the picture is. 

Way back in the primary race President Bush spoke with both Hillary! and Obama and told them both too reel in the rhetoric a bit because until they sit down behind the desk they won't get a true sense of where we are and what we face.

Glenn Beck, who I listen to daily had a conversation with President Bush in which the President told him the same thing.  We are effectively boxed into a corner and the only way forward is the way that we are traveling.

So, I wish President Obama the best. 

I will fight him tooth and nail on everything he tries to do that I disagree with, but hey, that free mortgage and unlimited gas money is gonna be SWEET!

29 I can't slam Minnesotans too much given that firedoglake's Alan Grayson has won here in Central Florida over Ric Keller.

30

And, FPoBA hasn't bankrupted the coal industry yet.  In 2 years he might.

that happens and he can kiss the dem majority and then a 2nd term buh-bye, it's gonna be interesting to see how O can get a 2nd term w/ lefties wanting him to go hard left in congress, and then going in and out of the middle to try and get moderates to like him, and young libtards having head explosions when he shows couteousy to bush on 1/20/09 and when bush's portrait and library are unvieled, gonna' be very interesting

31
What the hell is it with Minnesota? Jesse Ventura? Keith Ellison? Al Franken? and this Barkley clown getting 15% was campaign manager for Jesse and Kinki Friedman?

Is it so cold up there that they use the cranial-rectal inversion to keep their brains warm?

32 ^
STFU

33 aww fuck, that was for #28

STFU

34 check your emasil or my site, dude I been following it. They are only 2000 votes apart with Franken gaining. Looks like he might run out of gas - but it's going recount no matter what,.

35 WTFOMGwheresdmydrink

36 Well, I just looked at the county map and it's Saint Louis county that's driving the shift. However, 99% of that county's precincts are in now, and even with the large margin I don't think Franken will be able to make it up.

I don't know if that number includes absentee ballots or not.

Recount is coming, I think.

37 With the degree of pandering that Sen. Obama has put into the campaign, he  reminds me of President Nixon.

And, his belief in his own goodness reminds me of Pres. Carter.

What do you get when you cross the presidencies of Nixon and Carter?

38

With the degree of pandering that Sen. Obama has put into the campaign, he  reminds me of President Nixon.

And, his belief in his own goodness reminds me of Pres. Carter.

What do you get when you cross the presidencies of Nixon and Carter?

either Nixon's impeachmentresignation or Carter's 1 term failure, i REALLY believe as i always said even when i thought he'd lose that he would only last 1 term because of all his pandering and the too many promises to the youth and black vote he can't deliver w/o pissing off everyone else w/ higher taxes

39 I wasn't alive for Nixon implementing his price controls, but he did repeal them upon them (obviously) failing. 

I don't see that happening with Obama.

40 What do you get when you cross the presidencies of Nixon and Carter?

FDR! New Deal II, here we come! I can't wait to sign up for the National Recovery Administration and spy on my unpatriotic neighbors.

41 anybody else annoyed that we're supposed to unite because BO told us to?  where was the unity under W?

42 Doesn't include provisional ballots.

When I checked, the precincts uploaded don't match the vote totals.The vote totals are correct.

43 3 minutes ago, CNN updated to say Coleman +600

44

56 Senators with a (D) and 4 or 5 with an (R-D) is all it takes for ending the filibuster. We have 3 or 4 that ALWAYS votes Dem and 3 or 4 more who vote Dem half the time. We are so fucked. Lieberman is the ONLY (D) who voted with the (R)’s and that was ONLY for Iraq shit. He is still max liberal on everything else.

45 According to CNN it's Coleman +757

46 I hope that R's learn ONE thing from dems.  Be as over the top conservative as you can be, put it out there as the O did.  He has told us over and over every commie refrain.  R's should quit hiding from hard core conservative ideas, and see what sticks.  It worked very well for the left.

And, after all 50% hated the left's message.

47 When I checked, the precincts uploaded don't match the vote totals.The vote totals are correct.

Which are....?

48 Cass county is wrapping up and that's giving Coleman a tiny, tiny boost. That's how it got up to 757, and he'll probably have a slightly bigger margin once that finishes up, maybe 800. That is enough to cover anticipated Franken gains in St. Louis at this point.

I guess provisionals could sway things.

49 40's and chikn all around. Is on me, dogg.

50 How many provisionals are there?

51

I hope enough of you folks realize how badly you were hosed by "Fred." He dithered just long enough to keep conservatives from coming together around Romney or Huckabee while McCain raised some more money. He all but campaigned for McCain in the freaking debates - go back and look. And lo and behold who turns up on the stump somewhat prominently for a "non" conservative? Fred.

He played you boys like a country fiddle. And please forget Romney, though I supported him. He had months and couldn't connect with voters. He looks like a plastic white guy with a stick up hios rump, even if I do think he might make a great prez. He will never sell.

Palin may be running for the Senate if she appoints a placeholder for Stevens. That's the opinion of at least some insiders here in DC. She's 44 with young kids and might want to wait a few cycles, get more up to speed on International issues and run sometime down the road.

We are at square one unless you count Bobby J - meanwhile Huckabee will probably try to consolidate evangelicals if he's serious about 2012. What we need now is a hit list of vulnerable House and Senate Dems for 2010 and some serious new blood.

Just my thoughts.

52

anybody else annoyed that we're supposed to unite because BO told us to?  where was the unity under W?

well if BO asked me to come help him in the white house and advise him i'd drop all my stuff to do everything i can to get him to be the moderate he claims he'll be, but i'm not suspecting him to be and will suspect him to only devide the country more, i just thought of something i think i'm gonna write him a good long letter imploring him to be more moderate in his politics

53 We are so fucked.

God save the Republic.

(the voters didn't do much of a job of it)

54

I hope enough of you folks realize how badly you were hosed by "Fred." He dithered just long enough to keep conservatives from coming together around Romney or Huckabee while McCain raised some more money. He all but campaigned for McCain in the freaking debates - go back and look. And lo and behold who turns up on the stump somewhat prominently for a "non" conservative? Fred.

never supported fred though, i supported rudi then mitt and then Mac

55

We are so fucked.

God save the Republic.

(the voters didn't do much of a job of it)

sources i have claim all the GOP turnout they had that made them confident they had OH & PA are now telling me many reps didn't even vote for the presidential election and just cared about their local level; the sucidial repubblicans were out pretty strong and the PUMAs were weak frankly

56 Reihl,

Square 1 would be nice.  We're about Square -8 given the damage to the Republican party.  Huck is a fucking Bush II in the extreme (all the stupidity [of tactics], twice the government), and he'd been trying to tank McCain/P himself from the start.  Sly little things and leaks from his surrogates that Mac was fighting with Palin.  I loathe Huck. 

Face it, if we couldn't beat the empty commie suit, Reps just weren't going to win this year.  I think that's what I get from this, we were doomed and didn't know it.

57 Fascinating---there were 2342 write-in votes (so far) for Senate in Minnesota. That's larger than the margin!

Recount is mandated by law under these conditions (anything less than 0.5%).

58 I hope the Republican party disintegrates because of this, the festering sore of corrupt, fat, piece of shit liars that it is. 

 politicians all suck cock.

59

While true that Alaska passed a law that calls for a special election there is debate as to the Constitutionality of the law. Some say, with good reason, that it is in violation of the 17th Amendment It is possible that someone could challenge it but not likely.

 

In addition, it is also possible that Stevens could challenge being thrown out of the Senate if expelled. In 1969 SCOTUS ruled in Powell v McCormick that Congress could not exclude members based on qualifications not specified in the Constitution.

This is NOT a cut and dry issue.

60 Alaskans were willing to hand the election to a Republican who had been convicted.

Do you think they're actually going to vote for a Dem in the special election?

61

Reihl,

 

You are joking right? BOTH Romney and Huckabee had extremely liberal terms as governor and would have been another liberal candidate just like McCain. Both of those slugs need to be purged from the party and that doesn’t count the back-stabbing that Romney and his slugs did to Palin in the last few weeks of the election.

62 Romney did not govern as a liberal. For fuck's sake get your facts straight.

63 So what are the chances that Obama gets a second term?  And Dems pick up more house and senate seats?

64 At least Hillary will never again be in the White House.

65

"So what are the chances that Obama gets a second term?  And Dems pick up more house and senate seats?"

0%.  Or 100%.  Who the hell knows?  Anything can happen.  Who predicted that the Republican Revolution would take place in '94 after losing in '92.  If Obama overreaches in his 1st year, you could see a big swing back to the Republicans in the midterms.  On the other hand, he could try to follow the later Clinton years and try to co-opt the middle, in which case things could remain the same.  Anything can happen in 2 years.  The important thing is that the Republicans put someone in charge with a vision to make it happen.

66

Romney did not govern as a liberal

Now you are joking hahaha

Try looking at his massive health care socialism and anti-gun stance.

67 63 So what are the chances that Obama gets a second term?  And Dems pick up more house and senate seats?

Very high.  The leftist "ground game" will not be dismantled any time soon (10 years at least for fed action);  the Hill Republicans are adrift and leaderless, every-man-for-himself-as-long-as-I-stay-in-Congress, with no real hope of organizing and actively against the grassroots.

Dig in deep.

68 #64 - No you won't, instead, you will see Hillary on the SCOTUS

69 The fascinating thing is the low turnout nationwide. Some states had  gains but many were flat or went down. Obama will beat W's total but just barely. McCain will get 3 million less than Kerry did and over 6 million less than W.
When you take into account that new voters remained steady that means the whole 3% decrease in national vote count came from existing voters.
Obama didn't win this election, McCain lost it big time.

70 Good morning, comrades.

71 Woohoo! Obama wins! Where my check? WHERE MY CHECK, OBAMA? It's been like 8 hours already, I need to do some shopping.

Obama will buy me a Coach handbag and sweet sweet liquor for life! Oh joy.

72 No you won't, instead, you will see Hillary on the SCOTUS

Fucking nightmare keeps getting worse...

73 68 #64 - No you won't, instead, you will see Hillary on the SCOTUS









Fuck.

74 With the fact that Obama barely beat W's 4 year old totals in a year which should have seen a Dem pres landslide I would say he wil be skating on edge for 4 years. If he he pulls a Bill and tries to come out of the gate hot, 2010 and 2012 will be very good years for Republicans.  Clinton only won relection by tacking back to the center very quickly. The Dems won't let Obama do that and he doesn't have the heart to buck 'em the way Bill did.

75 Hillary will be persona non grata for now on. Obama won't appoint her to shit and neither will Pelosi. She's the one who almost wrecked the Dream now.
I would bet money she runs for Governor of NY. There is no future for her in the senate now.

76 Fox News just said the AP declared Norm Coleman the winner.

77

So what are the chances that Obama gets a second term?  And Dems pick up more house and senate seats?

obama 2nd term- if he's as partisan as we fear he will be to the dem congress, highly doubt it now that reps wont get all the blame

dems pick up more house and sebate- doubt it, unless in 2 years they suddenly go moderate on us the 9% congress will prob allow reps to start gaining seats, many conservatives are talking stealing the house in 2010 to set up taking the presidency in 2012

78 Hillary is toast. She needs to consolidate as much power in the Senate as she can. It's the most powerful she's gonna get.

79 So, it wasn't just a dream?

Shit.

80

i can't believe we just elected a commie, racist douchebag for president

81 76 Fox News just said the AP declared Norm Coleman the winner.
another ray of light to look ate, adding to:   - we can bitch about president now - we dont get the blame - conservative movment is gonna pick up steam - we can laugh 4years from now and tell people "i told you so" - we know PA is so fucking blue we minus say fuck PA in 2012 after they allowed candidates that insulted them to get voted in

82 i can't believe we just elected a commie, racist douchebag for president
bet you we kick the commie, racist douchebag out of the white house in 4 years if his record of action goes w/ him to the white house

83 Obama didn't win this election, McCain lost it big time.

Yeah, but BO won 3 million more votes than Kerry.  Does increased democratic turnout account for all those votes?  I think BO swung a bunch of independents and republicans his way.  That's winning the election.

84 AP calls it for Coleman ...

85 Second look at Caligula's horse

86 I for one am glad this whole thing is over and will support my new communist overlord president in bankrupting the coal industry. The idiots good people in those coal states deserve it.

87

Hillary is toast. She needs to consolidate as much power in the Senate as she can. It's the most powerful she's gonna get.

rumors spreading that she'll become his #1 nemesis in the congress to make him go far left and screw over his "change" mantra and thus screw over his 2nd term hopes

88 Obama didn't win shit. We didn't elect Obama.

Obama stole the election.

89 You know what sucks, one of my 11 year old daughters "friends", called her up and said ha,ha,ha,ha, Barack is your President. She's black, not that that should matter, but I think obama has set race relations back quite a bit with all his racist talk.I just told my daughter to ignore people who act like this today at school, but if it gets to bad she should just tell them, she's glad our family didn't vote for someone who thinks it's ok for a babies to die. And that our hands are clean. She asked me what are we going to do now, I just told her we are going to pray for strong conservative leaders.

90

PUMAs at HillBuzz finally responded:

Last night closed the chapter on the election, and today began the chapter on his presidency. We’re going to watch his moves closely — with an open mind — to see how willing and able Obama is to work with moderate Democrats and Republicans who did not support him in the primaries or general election, but who must now accept last night’s results.

As John McCain said in his concession speech, we should all do our best to work with Obama in the days ahead, with the assumption he will rise to this momentous occasion and be the president of ALL Americans, and not just the ones who voted for him.

Last night was a seismic generational shift of epic proporations that we didn’t see coming. Now, it’s time to figure out what that really means, and where all of us go from here.

After a VERY late night, that’s something we can’t do at this particular moment, but will begin in earnest later today.

For the moment, we once again congratulate President-Elect Obama on his extraordinary and historic win and wish him great success in his transition — because while we rooted against him with all our heart during this race, since he’s won, NO ONE should be hoping for any failure on his part. There is too much at stake for him to fail, and so we hope his supporters are right about him and that he will bring great things to this nation.

Because America deserves it. We hope Obama delivers.

91 THIS is the election that will never end as Obama's propagandists perpetuate his campaign ad infinitum throughout his presidency.

You can tell yourself, thank God at least it's over, but don't fool yourself and don't blame God for the choice our neighbors made. Obama's coronation motto: Scio me nihil scire; I know that I know nothing.

All things considered, we made our consonant voice heard over the massive din of the world's most wealthy and powerful dissonance. Obama has no popular vote landslide victory bragging rights.  Conservatives have vetted many candidates this past primary season. We know who will coordinate conservative efforts, and how we must appreciate each others strengths in order to bond for a victory.

Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
The world wants to be deceived, so let it be deceived!

Imperare sibi maximum imperium est.
To rule yourself is the ultimate power.

Fortitudine vincimus.
By endurance we conquer.

Buck up.

92 Anyone else have a fitful night?  Surreal events--like 9/11 surreal.  I'm going to be in a daze for...days.  But my 3-year old was her normal ebullient self at 6:30, so I'll be alright, and I imagine most of you will be OK too.

93
@83

It also helps BO when the GOP turnout is the lowest in 20 years.

All of those "I'm gonna stay home and teach those Republicans a lesson" jerkoffs are the ones we have to thank for this.

Way to go, you self-righteous pricks.

94 Well, we kept the filibuster, no Franken and wins for marriage all around.  We lost big time today people...but there is enough good out there that I'm now able to hope that the America of four years from now won't be the nightmare I was afraid of.

95 Duluth is in, and Coleman is up by 1100 or 750, depending if you want to believe the MN Secretary of State or CNN.

Given what's out, Coleman should lead by 650-800 when all the tallied votes are in, subject to absentees, provisional ballots and the expected recount.

The not-yet-convicted (riiight) crook from Alaska should win.  But there are supposedly 40,000 absentees outstanding, plus provisional ballots.  I think his lead will hold, but stranger things have happened.

So far, Smith is leading in Oregon - and that lead is holding.  Don't ask me how these mail-in ballots get tallied - 33% reporting doesn't seem to mean much.

96

You know what sucks, one of my 11 year old daughters "friends", called her up and said ha,ha,ha,ha, Barack is your President. She's black, not that that should matter, but I think obama has set race relations back quite a bit with all his racist talk.I just told my daughter to ignore people who act like this today at school, but if it gets to bad she should just tell them, she's glad our family didn't vote for someone who thinks it's ok for a babies to die. And that our hands are clean. She asked me what are we going to do now, I just told her we are going to pray for strong conservative leaders.

the best way to come back is "declare victory at what the state of the country is 4 years from now, i'm willing to bet it won't be any better."

97 NO ONE should be hoping for any failure on his part.

Think I'll change my screen name to NO ONE.

98

97 NO ONE should be hoping for any failure on his part.

Think I'll change my screen name to NO ONE.

 

 

Oh hell yeah...it's payback time bitch.

99 "What do you get when you cross the presidencies of Nixon and Carter?"

Studio 54? Punk rock?

I kind of had fun in the 70s, but I was too young to notice most of the bad times..

100

Even though Fox news says Coleman won, I'm curious to see if Franken protests and demands a recount. He's good enough, he's smart enough........

101 Eh, look at the bright side: How much scandal can obama deflect? The msm can't protect him forever.

anybody else annoyed that we're supposed to unite because BO told us to? where was the unity under W?

well if BO asked me to come help him in the white house and advise him i'd drop all my stuff to do everything i can to get him to be the moderate he claims he'll be,

How does a guy with little to none experience and who can only vote present or on the few issues he does take a stand on -- the surge, partial birth abortion be terribly wrong, and who want to take my hard earned money -- be a moderate?

I intend to dedicate the next four years to exposing this piece of shit for what he is: a pole smoking terrorist pal who really is not that bright.

102 PUMAs seem to be as numerous as the Loch Ness Monster

103

It also helps BO when the GOP turnout is the lowest in 20 years.

All of those "I'm gonna stay home and teach those Republicans a lesson" jerkoffs are the ones we have to thank for this.

Way to go, you self-righteous pricks.

i know, my sources said a "a sleeping giant", of those sucidial rep voters beat out the anti-obama GOP vote

104 I intend to dedicate the next four years to exposing this piece of shit for what he is: a pole smoking terrorist pal who really is not that bright.

Seems about right.

105 I kind of had fun in the 70s, but I was too young to notice most of the bad times..

Carter was bad. Very bad. Jobs were scarce. Interest rates out of sight. And we looked like chumps for real when we allowed the Iranians to invade our embassy and take our personnel for a year and a half.

106 Assuming Coleman and other Rs hold the Senate damage down, at least we have something to take away from the, I guess.  At least they ain't getting 60. 

But the reports of low GOP turnout is making me sick. 

semper reluctor!  (yeah, I know my Latin is broken)

107 I intend to dedicate the next four years to exposing this piece of shit for what he is: a pole smoking terrorist pal who really is not that bright.

that happens and he can say buh-bye to a 2nd term.

108 Anyone else have a fitful night?  Surreal events--like 9/11 surreal.  I'm going to be in a daze for...days.

Yep; I've been out of work for 5 months (IT) and my prospects just took a decided turn for the worse.  But hey, maybe I'll get one of those great fucking "green jobs" that Obammy promised along with a gazillion other things.  During my last contracting job I worked in the federal building in downtown Cleveland; besides the structure being a hazardous fucking dump that OSHA should demolish, I was in zombie heaven.  Seriously, I felt like I was a narrator of a Kafka story; it was that fucking bad.

109

Coleman won barely - what the hell is wrong with this country?   I was listening to Geraldo say that McCain lost because of Sarah Palin and because he didn't appeal enough to the independants.  That is so much BS.  We need to stop being wishy-washy and trying to appeal to the middle or we'll just keep on losing.  McCain sucked from the start.

110

Well I for one do hope for an EPIC failure on obama's part as well as the congress. We already know how bad his policy's are going to hurt us. I hope his failures are so blatant that even the media can't hide it from view. I took my flag down today. I will get a support the troops flag to put in its place, because now more than ever they are going to need it.

111

Coleman won barely - what the hell is wrong with this country?   I was listening to Geraldo say that McCain lost because of Sarah Palin and because he didn't appeal enough to the independants.  That is so much BS.  We need to stop being wishy-washy and trying to appeal to the middle or we'll just keep on losing.  McCain sucked from the start.

fuck Geraldo for that comment, Obama would have hit 400 if she wasn't there

112 Yeah, but BO won 3 million more votes than Kerry.  Does increased democratic turnout account for all those votes?  I think BO swung a bunch of independents and republicans his way.

Kerry got 9 million more votes than Gore and lost by 3 million. There were 21 million more votes in 2004 than in 2000. There will be 3 million less in 2008 as compared to 2004.  Obama's entire increase can be explained by new voters.  McCain not only didn't get any new voters he got millions less than the loser last time. The Repubs/Conservatives stayed home.

113 I for one have zero faith in our Rep. Senate. The meeting today to determine what went wrong will be answered with, "we need to be more bipartisan!"

114 I can handle Obama winning. Franken in the Senate would have been freakin' unbearable!! I hope the recount holds up.

115 Anyone else have a fitful night?  Surreal events--like 9/11 surreal.

Maybe not 9/11 surreal for me.  Feels pretty bad though.  Kinda like Texas Tech beating Texas x100.  Not a good week for me.

116 I will have for Obama the exact same level of respect and civility that the democrat voters showed Bush  the last 8 years.

117


So, what is the deal with the stories of voter fraud, electioneering, and harassement we heard from yesterday.  Are we going to let all that shit go?

118 AP called it for Coleman today?  That's what I just read at The Corner. 

119

There has been a lot of discussion about the lack of turnout for McCain and the relatively stable turnout for Obama. That didn’t exactly jive with what I noted at my polls which appeared to be the most I have ever seen so I did a quick look at just those States that switched from Red to Blue (or are still tossup).

 

Just looking at these States it looks like there was a massive turnout and increase for the Dems while there was a massive decrease for Republicans. So the bottom line is, the Party faithful stayed at home in most cases. The support among the base for McCain was weak And Palin wasn’t enough to drag him over the line.

 

Note the interesting thing about NC and OH.  In NC overall turnout for both sides was up while in OH, despite the massive Acorn fraud, turnout for both sides was way down.

 

I had a table but the format Czar will not allow it. Basically what it wound up with was 2,013,881 increase in Dem votes and a 969,253 decrease in Republican votes.

 

NC had an increase of 140,820 votes for Rep and an increase of 563,977 votes for the Dems.

 

OH had a decrease of 499,966 for the Rep and 172,439 for the Dems.

120 I was listening to Geraldo say that McCain lost because of Sarah Palin and because he didn't appeal enough to the independants.

Your first mistake is listening to Geraldo who has a real problem with hot women that don't disguise the fact that they feel nothing but revulsion toward him.  Your second mistake is depending on him for information other than how to unsuccessfully deal with sex addiction.

121 So, what is the deal with the stories of voter fraud, electioneering, and harassement we heard from yesterday.  Are we going to let all that shit go?
problem is GOP didn't come out so it's worthless fighting it

122

By the way, anyone who says the GOP needs to be more moderate better understand that McCain lost my state CA by about a billion votes and yet a conservative social issue Prop 8 won!

We will never out- liberal socialists.

Please somebody at the RNC - no OPEN primaries.

123 Was it just me or did Fox News begin their coverage last night---right out of the box--- with discussing the complete and total failure of the conservative party?

Not one freakin' vote counted and they were already talking about conservatism in exile.

124

I was listening to Geraldo

 

Geraldo is a faggot who is more liberal than Obama if that is possible. He is also a massive liar whose ass I would love to kick. I had to turn Fox off about 45 min ago because they have turned into fawning OBama ass kissers and it was making me puke.

 

So don’t do no more listening to Geraldo. The fact is that if Palin had not been on the ticket the McCain turnout would have been half of what it was and he would have lost more States in the South.

 

BTW, I am sure you will here this same lying refrain from some of the other Faux Conservative pundits today. They can all kiss my ass.  

125 California also apparently rejected two stupid global warming/alternative energy initiatives, if I understand correctly.

126 Well I personally will not  vote for another republican unless he or she is a conservative. Maybe after 8 years they will get a fucking clue.

127

email I sent to Sarah Palin

There are no words that can express my gratitude for what you did for all Americans by running for the office of Vice President of the United States. I am a veteran of 22 years in the USAF and value my American home in a democratic country.  Unfortunately tonite we lost democracy and are entering a time of socialism. God help us all.  As a sign of distress, I will be flying my American flag upside down until democracy is restored to our country.  I am 67 years old and I hope to live to see you elected senator of the state of Alaska and in 2012 President of the United States of America. You have restored my faith in the conservative way of life. Again, Thank you so much and may God bless you and your family and keep you safe.

128 California also apparently rejected two stupid global warming/alternative energy initiatives, if I understand correctly.

Really? Wow, that totally surprises me. Small ray of hope, I guess.

129 Los Angeles raised its sales tax. And the state is going to try to do the same. Whoopee! We will have the highest taxes in the land!

130 119:

Some of that can be explained by the fact that NC is absorbing people while OH is bleeding them.  But I think you are right on the larger point that our turnout sucked hard.

131 "I hope enough of you folks realize how badly you were hosed by "Fred." He dithered just long enough to keep conservatives from coming together around Romney or Huckabee while McCain raised some more money."

Yeah, we were hosed by Fred. But what did Romney have to offer that Giuliani didn't have? Giuliani turned a decaying city of 8 million + people into a thriving modern city. He has shown that he understood economics and was willing to fight corruption, whether it be on Wall St or the mob. He handled 9/11 better than anyone. Think of the size of NYC. If it were a state its population would put it in the top 10. It's more populous than MA or Arkansas or Alaska. It's filled with liberals. The city government is to the left of the Politborough. It is the home of Al Sharptin. Rudy was able to manage with all that against him.

Huckabee is a turd who played to the biggest problem with the GOP and that's the people who vote on one fucking issue and we all know what that is. I'm sick of it. I'm going to get a huge tax increase cause a bunch of superstitious hicks who are impervious to reason and live their lives worshipping myths that were handed down by primitives, couldn't vote for someone who was pro-choice. Fuck you very much...

132

By the way, anyone who says the GOP needs to be more moderate better understand that McCain lost my state CA by about a billion votes and yet a conservative social issue Prop 8 won!

We will never out- liberal socialists.

Please somebody at the RNC - no OPEN primaries

 

Amen brother, the question is…how do we get that message to the Party big-wigs.  They sure as hell did not get the message from the 06 elections when the base stayed at home. These same idiots who were dissatisfied with McCain stayed at home again instead of at least coming out and voting 3^rd party.

 

The party will NOT get the message from just staying at home.

133 Oops...Wall Street Journal just called MN for Coleman.

134 FoxNews calls race for Coleman, FWIW.

Have I mentioned how much I hate having to run every frackin' link through tinyurl?

135 The heads of the House and Senate need to give each member a copy of Goldwater's "Conscious of a Conservative"and tell them to learn it!

This is your playbook, don't say a damn word that isn't contained in this manual.

136
might be a good idea to form our own civilian police force.
we'll just call them friendly gun clubs.

137 Well I personally will not vote for another republican unless he or she is a conservative. Maybe after 8 years they will get a fucking clue.

Good luck. Before the blood stopped flowing last night, the rino/libertarians were saying we had to open borders and get rid of all the social con issues.

One thing people seem to forget, its not easy for one party to hold the Whitehouse for more than two terms. Voters aren't that bright -- they have dumped some of the greatest leaders because of "change" what ever the fuck that is.

138 Ace, can we get, sometime today, a constructive thread on lessons learned, and strategy and tactics going forward? We're going to have to figure out how to fight an effective rear-guard strategy for at least two years. We also need to plot how to go about taking the House back.

139

The entire primary election rules need to change. It should not be possible for a candidate to win the primary with 30% of the vote. We also need to get some more substantial AND conservative States voting first.

140

Huckabee is a turd who played to the biggest problem with the GOP and that's the people who vote on one fucking issue and we all know what that is. I'm sick of it. I'm going to get a huge tax increase cause a bunch of superstitious hicks who are impervious to reason and live their lives worshipping myths that were handed down by primitives, couldn't vote for someone who was pro-choice. Fuck you very much...

Excuse me, I am Christian and very much prolife, but I did not and would not ever vote for Huckabee, I never trusted him. And you are an ignorant asshole if you think that that is the only thing Christians care about. Go buy a clue.

141 But what did Romney have to offer that Giuliani didn't have?

Executive style hair.

Seriously, though, I don't think either Romney or Rudy could have won. There were two major factors at play: 1) Republicans generally were on the outs, and 2) the Dems were excited about their candidate, and we weren't. And I don't think there was anybody on the R side we would have been excited about, except maybe Fred, and only if Fred would have brought it during the campaign the way he brings it in his videos.

142 I hear these assholes who claim to be real conservatives who refused to vote or worse voted for Obama.

I use to listen to Doug McIntyre kabc talk radio in LA who got his start in 2000 with the chad crisis. He voted for Obama. Fuck him.

143

IF OBAMA IS ELECTED:

FIRST WEEK:  CIVILIAN SECURITY FORCES FORMED.  ALL MUST WEAR AN OBAMA EMBLEM ARMBAND.  ALL PERSONS AGES 18 THRU 30 ARE MANDATED TO SERVE. ALL MEMBERS MUST REPORT ANTI OBAMA ACTIVITIES TO THE OBAMA HEADQUARTERS.

2ND WEEK: IN ORDER TO ASSIST ALL OUR CITIZENS, ALL INCOME WILL BE DEPOSITED IN A CENTRAL ACCOUNT. OBAMA CFO OFFICE WILL DETERMINE WHO NEEDS WHAT AND DISTRIBUTE ACCORDINGLY 

WALMART WILL BECOME OBAMART. ALL CITIZENS WILL BE GIVEN A WEEKLY ALLOWANCE TO PURCHASE FOOD, CLOTHING ETC. THEY MUST ENTER THEIR NEW OBAMA SEQUENTIAL PERSONAL NUMBER ASSIGNED TO THEM AT THE OTM AT THE ENTRANCE AT THE DOOR.

EVERY CITIZEN WILL OWN A HOME.  ALL HOMES WILL BE BUILT THE SAME, IE, 1 BEDROOM FOR TWO PEOPLE AND AN EXTRA BEDROOM FOR EACH ADDITIONAL 2 PEOPLE LIVING IN THE HOME.  ALL UTILITIES WILL BE FREE, BUT ALLOTED ACCORDING THE THE NEED AS DETERMINED BY THE OBAMA UTILITY AGENCY.

EVERY FAMILY WILL BE GIVEN AN AUTOMOBILE FOR TRANSPORTATION.  ONLY ONE MAKE WILL BE ALLOWED AND ALLL WILL BE THE SAME COLOR.  THE OBAMABILE EMBLEM WILL BE DISPLAYED IN THE FRONT AND BACK OF THE AUTOMOBILE. GAS WILL BE RATIONED ACCORDING TO THE NEED AS DETERMINED BY THE OBAMA GDO (GAS DISTRIBUTION OFFICE)

ALL SCHOOLS WILL BE TAUGHT USING THE IDENTICAL CURRICULUM AS ESTABLISHED BY OBAM SECRETARY OF EDUCATION, MR AYERS. THE OBAMA FLAG WILL BE DISPLAYED IN EVERY CLASSROOM AND THE OBAMA PLEDGE WILL BE RECITED AT THE BEGINNING OF EVERY PERIOD.

ALL MUSIC, EXCEPT THOSE APPROVED BY THE OBAMA MUSIC CENTRAL OFFICE, WILL BE BANNED.

3RD WEEK:  HIS EXCELLENCY OBAMA  WILL MEET IN THE BLACK HOUSE WITH HUGO CHAVEZ, AMAHDINEJAHD, FIDEL CASTRO, AND OTHER FAVORITE SONS TO DISCUSS THE NEED TO EXCHANGE PROGRAMS WHICH WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO ALL.

  

AND THEN I WOKE UP

GUESS WHO I VOTED FOR?

144 Could those Fox & Friends idiots please stop gushing for a moment - guess what, idiots, most of your audience did not vote for the America's first Afirmative Action President.

145 There were two major factors at play...

I'm still reeling over how much the msm was in the tank. How do you deal with that?

146

Good luck. Before the blood stopped flowing last night, the rino/libertarians were saying we had to open borders and get rid of all the social con issues.

 

 If we are talking about the Huckabites that would be fine with me as they were not conservative to begin with. They were social libs. To be a social con first you have to be a con.

 

If they want to get rid of conservatives and turn the party back to liberal big government NE Republicans they can kiss my ass and we will have to form a new party.

147 Could those Fox & Friends idiots please stop gushing for a moment - guess what, idiots, most of your audience did not vote for the America's first Afirmative Action President.

Yep, I'm done with them too.

148 Remember, it is 62 to 55. Yes, Obama won. However, 55 million people think he is an asshole. This country is pretty equally divided.

149 How can you claim that America is racist and a black guy can't get ahead in the country when the most powerful man in the world is now Obama?

They only voted for the white part of Obama!

See how easy that is?

150 The Ace of Spades decision desk. I love that.

I come to this website more than anywhere else for news.
How's that for the state of the media today?

 It's almost time to start pushing a "John Galt" movement. We can fight back.

151 At least we have Sarah Palin in 2012, without the drag of a McCain presidency, which, while it would have been far better than what we will be getting, it would still have been a stain on the Republican brand.

Obama will combine the incompetence of Carter with the socialism of Roosevelt, and will be kicked to the curb in 2012, if he isn't forced to resign after impeachment for his shenanigans during this election, his dealings with Rezko, or some other scandal.  The man is dirty as hell, and won't make it through four years without it coming out.  Not even the new State Media will be able to shield him.

Meanwhile, we need to get some worthwhile human beings to step up as candidates, or the conservatives will continue sit out in disgust.

FATPIG 2010

152 I'm still reeling over how much the msm was in the tank. How do you deal with that?

We need to quit watching, subscribing and linking to them.

153 Republicans have got to quit being "nice".

Dems are using negative propaganda against Rs everyday, they need to turn the tables.

Every time an R is interviewed they need to talk about:

* Ds culture of corruption
* Ds deceitfulness
* Ds being unethical
* Ds being power-mad
etc.

And Rs need to polish their brand and not publicly flog people like Lott and Allen for "racist" comments.

When a "macaca" incidence happens, an R politician needs to say it was an "unfortuante" word, but go directly to attacking any and all wrongs by Ds.

This is a political war, and Rs have disarmed.

154

If you think we now have heard the last of BDS, think again.  Every problem and fuck up in the Obama administration will be laid at Bush's feet.  When his policies prevent the economy from swinging back to the positive cycle, they will blame Bush.  When there are more terrorist attacks, they will blame Bush.  When his policies screw up Iraq, they will blame Bush.  Whatever negative happens, they will blame Bush.

And the most fucked up thing is that these same morons that voted for Obama, will believe it and vote him in again.

155 I'll probably end up repeating myself on the inevitable "Where do we go from here?" thread, but I think one of our priorities between now and 2010/2012 is to rehabilitate the image of conservatism. The left has been pretty effective in blaming conservatism for America's problems. We need to re-educate people on what conservatism is, and it's actually quite simple. 

Conservatism = Common Sense.

Common sense fiscal policy, common sense energy policy, common sense solutions to economic and security issues. Hammer it home. After years of Obamunist corruption and incompetence, common sense is going to look pretty good next to whatever is left of Hope and Change.

156 I am not optimistic. First, the demographics that put Obama in are going to be in place 4 years from now: nearly 100% black turnout for him, and the stupid union assholes voting for him just because he is a Dem (not realizing that when he fucks over the economy there are going to be fewer jobs for everyone).
Second, to think we will be able to blame the mess on Obama is wishful thinking. They are still running against Hoover, they will be running against Bush for the next 50 years. And the MSM will nod and smile.
Well and truly fucked, we are.

157 The Ace of Spades decision desk. I love that.

Well, sometimes the AoSHQ Decision Desk forgets to post, goes awol, or is obviously drunk. Some readers want it to go automated. But, then all its charm would be lost, don't you think?

158 It's almost time to start pushing a "John Galt" movement.

..."almost?"

I'm not convinced such a thing is plausible; but assuming for the sake of argument that it is...exactly what kind of sign are you waiting for?

159

Well, Obama gave us all a lesson. You can be an extremist and still win.

A smaller, more conservative Republican Party could win if it gets the message out. The Republican Party either does not know what it believes, or does not know how to communicate it.

Has the logical, intelligent sensibility of the average American taken a hit? When people vote for a party that lies, cheats, and steals and insults the people that vote for them, then I have to believe that Americans are no longer the self reliant people that we used to be. Be sure to check with your media overlords before you vote next time.

My estimation of the American people fell through the floor last night.

160 Ace/Patriots alert: I want to know about this fucken Hillbuzz scam. I smell a (lot of) rats.

161 Oh and now that McCain is no longer the candidate running against Obama I feel comfortable in saying that I cannot stand the man.  This definitely was a race of the lesser of two retards where one retard was an America (as I define her) hating, racist socialist. 

162

Did anyone notice the headline over at JAWA

Russia Announces Missile Deployment Targeting U.S. Installations and then there's this one

Hamas fires over 35 rockets towards Israel

That was fast wasn't it.

163

Any speculation as to how much of the core was antagonized by McCain's disavowal of Bush?  W never defended himself against the manifestations of BDS, while McCain essentially reinforced the depiction of Bush as incompetent, and asleep at the wheel. 

McCain played into MSM conventional wisdom about the Bush administration.  McCain's instincts during the "financial crisis" were pure populist fantasies that reminded everyone that he was a mavericky (inconsistent) Republican.   

Bush was a good earner, could work a crowd, had a great GOTV operation, connected with Evangelicals (many of whom I suspect sat on their hands).    

164 At this time I would like to cordially invite all the PUMAs out there to suck my cock.  Fucking lame douche bags.  Fucking wimps.  Suck it down hard,  cunts.

165

Great job pollsters!

NBC last poll: Obama +9

Reality: Obama +6

Overstatement of Obama support: about 4 MILLION votes

Zogby last poll: Obama +11

Overstatement of Obama support: about 5 MILLION votes

NBC last poll: Obama +9

Overstatement of Obamas lead: 4 MILLION votes

Gallup last poll: Obama +11

Overstatement of Obamas lead: 5 MILLION VOTES

You get paid for this fucking hack bullshit?

166 So, will the LA Times release the 'tape'? Thought not. Fuckers.

167

Great job pollsters!

NBC last poll: Obama +9

Reality: Obama +6

Overstatement of Obama support: about 4 MILLION votes

Zogby last poll: Obama +11

Overstatement of Obama support: about 5 MILLION votes

NBC last poll: Obama +9

Overstatement of Obamas lead: 4 MILLION votes

Gallup last poll: Obama +11

Overstatement of Obamas lead: 5 MILLION VOTES

You get paid for this fucking hack bullshit?

Well, it did accomplish what it was supposed to do and that was hurt GOP turnout.  How much? Who knows.  The bastards.

168 Also, the GOP needs to rebuild the state level party apparatus to strengthen its turnout, connect to the grassroots, and grow its bench. The RNC should target western, midwestern, and southern states that are red, or purplish, and begin growing the party again.

I would begin by building the party in culturally red states that send Democrats to congress: West Virginia, Arkansas, North and South Dakota, and Montana would be good places to start.

Next, I would target historically red states that Republicans have begun losing: Arizona, Ohio, Indiana, Colorado, Nevada,  North Carolina, and Virginia.

Third, I would target rebuilding the party in rust-belt states where the party has been bleeding, but which could be salvaged with the right candidates and the right message: Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Pennsylvania.

169

How much of those votes in battleground states that went for Obama were fraudulent?  We'll never know.

But the one takeaway lesson I see from this election is that cheating works!  If you can make the 1-2% go in your favour, that's all that's needed.

170
Anyone else wondering if the low GOP turnout is reflecting fraud vs. voters actually staying at home?

171

1-And the most fucked up thing is that these same morons that voted for Obama, will believe it and vote him in again.

 2-When people vote for a party that lies, cheats, and steals and insults the people that vote for them, then I have to believe that Americans are no longer the self reliant people that we used to be.

1- Yep, he's a two termer.

2- The Dem's have been prepping the ground for decades so that voters would shrug and say, "They all lie".  They believe that "The truth is what serves the Party" just like their communist forebears. Who should an uniformed voter believe when all true charges are dismissed as smears, not only by the candidate but by the press as well?

172

Vic-

Thats the problem that was never solved from2006- no strong leader. Mccain never was one while Obama had the illusion of it.

People deep down crave a strong leader- makes em feel good to be on their side.

Reagan and Newt were our only 2 true leaders recently - both came out of Democrat disasters.

Sadly, we are going to have to go through that again which is depressing.

Who is it? Maybe Jindal or Palin- the wheel will come towards us again but it's moving away right now and that is bad for the country 

173 You get paid for this fucking hack bullshit?

Ever get the feeling most professional pollsters are guys who got fired from meteorology departments for not even swinging THAT degree of accuracy?

174 One, you can not get the message out if the msm will not report it.

Two, you can not get the message out about your opponent when the msm refuses to air any thing that will hurt them.

175

Second, to think we will be able to blame the mess on Obama is wishful thinking

 

You are right as long as he has the media on his side. He will have to be totally incompetent just like Jimmy Carter. Enough so that the media will actually turn against him. That will take some doing but it is possible.

 

Until that happens every fuckup he does will be the Republicans fault. “deregulation” and the “Bush tax cuts” will be what fucked up the economy.

 

Terror attacks in the U.S. will be the fault of Republican foreign policy while the idiot Dems try to “arrest” them and try them in court with the liberal judges giving them access to classified information which they will then use against us.

 

Someone above had it right. The Republicans need to go on the offensive on the first day. Attack everything the Dems do. Block all Dem legislation and judicial appointments. Any Republican who sides with the Dems should be punished by removal of Republican benefits such as financial support and committee positions on the first offense. On the second offense they should be removed from the Party.

 

If they do that the fact that the Dems don’t have 60 will allow blocking.

176 Lay off the PUMAs. They tried to do what the republican blogs did not- encourage us to not be discourage and to vote for McCain/Palin. They did not slam their own or our candidates every fucking chance they got. I am so sick of the I'll hold my nose and vote for McCain or Palin is a smart gal and she can learn bullshit. You do not encourage votes by denigrating and or patronizing your own candidates. And worse, people were obsessed with posting this bullshit over and over and over. You hate McCain -- we got it the first million times you posted it. Jeesh.

177 It's almost time to start pushing a "John Galt" movement.

I've already decided on mine.  My husband and I are finishing our PhDs in electrical & computer engineering this spring and plan to start our family right away.   I will definitely be staying home, at least until the kids are in school full-time. 

Day care costs + marginal income tax increase + payroll tax increase = an additional net income that is not worth the 40+ hour work week and time away from my kids needed to produce it.  We will do just fine on one income, and I'd much  rather stay home, bake cookies, and finger paint.

178

Well, usually I post explicitly profane insults about people in the news and rather rarely do I offer any substantive thoughts. On this morning, however, I think I will attempt to stretch myself.

I think all normal Americans want revenge in this case - revenge against the people who for the last 8 years have done their best to hogtie, insult, and cripple our country for no other reason but bitterness about losing in the 2000 election. These lowlifes are now cock of the walk, and are likely to curtail things like our liberties and freedoms. Just peruse the vicious crowing posts last night from the Kos kids and freaks from the fringe - they are not going to leave us alone. It isn't time for reconciliation - it is time for conflict.

So, how do we lay the foundation of winning? Besides being armed and well stocked with ammo for the off chances which - God Forbid - may occur in various nightmare scenarios, the main thing is to make sure this election does not repeat in the future.

Thus, we must do the following:

1. Ensure that no "winner take all" primary rules survive this election season for any place in the Union for Republicans. This is critical as the next point:

2. No more "open primaries" allowed for Republicans anywhere. These two points are of extreme importance. The Democrats jiggered our selection process. Eliminating the influence of Dems in Republican primaries will allow for a more fair and vigorous primary season which will trend more conservative.

3. Create a "Fast Media Response" team for the RNC and for the candidate after the convention. Mandate it. Make it the face of the candidate and make it attack and savage MEDIA as well as Democrat opponents. Make no concessions to the enemies in the Media and never let up on them. The goal is to respond to events within 3 hours. It is also to be set up this year, now, for the RNC and opposition research must be started right now on the enemies - the media. This should be made freely available to all Republican candidates.

4. Related to #3, an explicit recognition of the media's role as an enemy in all dealings. Treat them like any other enemy, like Soros. They abrogated any pretense of objectivity and never let up on them. Target them, research them, set them up for unflattering photos and interviews, and when possible and necessary, push for investigations and/or prosecution of wrongdoing. Do this at all levels. All the time.

5. Make a clear statement of prinicples so that it can fit on a wallet-sized card. Conservatism is consistent and needs not bend to "cross aisle" handwaving by pussies and closet socialists. Fuck'em, RINOs can go fuck themselves sideways with a goddamned chainsaw. We do it the Reagan way from now on.

179 Every Republican currently in Congress needs to switch party affiliation to Democrat.  The D's want it, let them have the whole thing.  We'll go one party and then all individuals have to stand on are their own views.

This would give conservatives a voice that they'd never have by remaining Republican. 

A single party system is the best fuck-you that conservatives could provide.  If you can't beat 'em, join 'em, and then destroy them from within.

That's what the communists did to America.  We can do it to the commies.

180 You're not jinxing things with that Franken call, right Ace?

181

Wanna win? Wanna change the country?

1-Start schools for conservative teachers and recruit hard.

2-Push conservatives into Professorships.

3-Encourage conservatives to go into jounalism.

4- Support and push for conservative entertainers.

5- Organise groups to sue any and all liberal groups over any possible pretense.

182 5- Organise groups to sue any and all liberal groups over any possible pretense.

Heh.

183 Plus everything inspector asshole said.

184

As I said in last night’s thread, the media was the major problem, particularly with the banking crisis and all Obama’s past associations. When I talked about the causes of the baking problems with my brothers last weekend at the family reunion they had never heard ANY of the issues about fannie and freddie and the friends of bill. They had not heard about ayers or Obama’s girlfriend.

 

People if you do not read the blogs and you watch MSM news you will never hear the real deal. Fox is not much better either because instead of concentrating on the truth as dug up by real reporters they just read news releases, rewritten AP articles, and interview an R and a D to be “fair and balanced.  I am sick of that last one. It is virtually worthless. I really don’t want to hear talking points from both sides. I want somebody to get off their ass and actually find out the fucking truth and broadcast it.

 

I think I am done with ALL the new media for a while, especially if Fox is going to stay in the Obama ass kissing mode.

185 Yes Vic, the "from the left and now from the right" news programs have reduced truth to a mear matter of oppinions.

186 RCP calls Minnesota for Coleman.

187 Yeah, Fox, that is another grenade I forgot to throw. Fuck them. Ruport was in the tank for Osama from the get-go. Brit Hume, take your drunk ass to the Georgetown cocktail circuit and GO THE FUCK AWAY.

Fairness Doctrine, who gives a shit? They're all assholes.

188 Ace/Patriots alert: I want to know about this fucken Hillbuzz scam. I smell a (lot of) rats.

Hillbuzz can kiss my ass.


Rezko did not just disappear.

Bill Ayers is still a mother fucker and he and his bitch wife are associates of Obama.

Where did all Obama's money come from?  Still hasn't been answered.

Just because some guy covered in shit won an election doesn't mean he's been fucking cleared of anything.  Look at fucking Stevens in Alaska.


Fucking regroup.  And this time no fucking Hillbuzz sacks of shit in the fucking room.  Just like the fucking French underground during WWII.  A lot of bullshit smuggling and not much else.  Pussies.  Get the fuck out.

Obama got the job.  Let's see if he can do the fucking work or if he'll get too stressed out and start doing lines of coke in the oval office.  These mother fuckers set up the ground rules with W.  We can play that way.  No honeymoon.  No quarter.

Thank God I live in a red state.  Blue states?  Fuck you.  Murtha?  Fuck you.  No vacation in a blue state.  No purchase from a blue state.  Ebay item in a blue state?  Fuck you.  I'll pass.  You want to buy my shit on eBay?  Fuck you.  I don't fucking ship to blue states.  Kiss my ass.  You can call Obama.  Your misery is my entertainment.  Fuck you.

189 It's almost time to start pushing a "John Galt" movement.

I've been mulling the idea of a "Galt Day". Basically, we'd try to get as many business owners as possible to shut down their businesses for a day. Including docking their employees a day's pay. Just so people get an idea of what these people are worth to the economy.

A Galt Week would be even better, but I'd worry about the long term impact of something like that. (i.e., will your customers jump ship if they can't get ahold of you for a week?)

190 Blue states? Fuck you. Murtha? Fuck you. No vacation in a blue state. No purchase from a blue state. Ebay item in a blue state? Fuck you. I'll pass. You want to buy my shit on eBay? Fuck you. I don't fucking ship to blue states. Kiss my ass. You can call Obama. Your misery is my entertainment. Fuck you.

I like the cut of your jib, sir!

191

I never believed there were enough pumas to do much damage.  The average person who isn't into political blogs had no idea that pumas existed. They only saw Hillary supporting and campaigning for Obama. Wasn't she even campaigning for him in precincts lines?   My addiction to the blogs was curbed as soon as I saw some of the conservative bloggers (who shall remain nameless) start catering to the pumas (to the point of throwing some of their own under the bus).

We need to stop blaming and complaining, and we really need to stop listening to all the people who think the republicans need to be less consevative in order to get along with everyone. Trampling on your faithful friends to get friends who'll stab you in the back at their first opportunity will not get you anywhere in the long run. It'll get you just what it got John McCain.  

192

One other huge disappointment that most of ya’ll will not have to deal with is the reelection of RINO Grahamnasty, friend of the illegal and the poor terrorists at Gitmo. He actually got close to a million votes, more even than McCain who won the State. That means some of the Dems voted for him.  That isn’t surprising as the State Dem party fielded no candidate saying that he was their best pick. The guy who ran as a Dem was really an independent.

 

Well, I did as I promised the asshole in my last scorching letter to him; I voted for me.

193

A Galt Week would be even better

 

You realize of course that what you are talking about is a general strike?

194

We've been talking about a culture war for a long time but we haven't been fight. We've been merely arguing.

Meanwhile the left has been actually fighting: They sue over everything and often do so simply to tie up the resources of their opponents. They have been using indoctrination of the young since the 60s in colleges. They have used propaganda to villify and de-humanise their enemies. They close ranks and protect their own when politically wounded.

195 With 100% of the precincts reporting in MN, Coleman is ahead by 571 votes.  I don't know if all absentees have been counted.  I imagine that Franken, being the classless jerk that he is, will demand a recount.

196 You realize of course that what you are talking about is a general strike?

Yes, but by capital, not by labor. And I wouldn't call it a "strike" because I wouldn't want there to be any associations with the labor movement. I picture the organizing happening very quietly, and then one day, a press release gets sent out, and a whole bunch of companies are closed. A couple of months later, a report on the economic impact gets released. All very impersonal. No names attached.

197 You realize of course that what you are talking about is a general strike?

No, this with be in the tradition of Atlas Shrugged and a shutdown. Not carried out by the worker but by the business owners.

198 >>There is too much at stake for him to fail, and so we hope his supporters are right about him and that he will bring great things to this nation.

Because America deserves it. We hope Obama delivers.<<

Excuse me for not taking to the yoke so easily--and, Jesus Christ, within one day!--and cover your ears if you're not accustomed to truth, but fuck your kumbaya playground sentiments. You've got this entirely ass-backward.

I hope the fucker fails, miserably and thoroughly. There's too much at stake for him NOT to fail. His supporters are wrong; I want absolutely nothing to do with them. I demonstrated my belief in that yesterday by voting against the sonofabitch. Maybe you're the other guy.

He's already said what he intends to bring to this great nation, and it's nothing I want for my country. His Robin Hood agenda is clear. That so many of my fellow citizens have been lulled into lotus-land by his snakecharming convinces me that this country is populated by puddingheads. He wants to take your money. He wants to tell you what to do. He wants to let other countries tell us what to do. That's what Obama wants to "deliver."

It's been a long time coming to the GOP: a pussified bunch of pablum and submission. Republicans have been so terrified of giving offence that they've capitulated and have forgotten how to fight--and fight hard--to keep these relentlessly acquisitive SOBs from getting their hands into my pile.

What to do? Fight these fuckers. Publicize their every error, denigrate them as they've done to ours for 8 years, get in the dirt, kick it around, get angry enough to terminate their ideology. Give money to smaller conservative groups. Work in your locality in a decisionmaking capacity. Exercise conservatism there, and lead ideologically by example. The philosophy is sound, but it won't win if it's not practiced and kept oiled and ready.

All you folks who are so ready to pitch in and help this fucker take my money and my freedoms, well, I'm stumped. As Nietzsche said, you have the stink of the herd about you. And for those of you who are inclined to respond to this post with some variety of namby-pamby temperance and make-nice language, save yourself the embarassment.

199

Huckabee is a turd who played to the biggest problem with the GOP and that's the people who vote on one fucking issue and we all know what that is. I'm sick of it. I'm going to get a huge tax increase cause a bunch of superstitious hicks who are impervious to reason and live their lives worshipping myths that were handed down by primitives, couldn't vote for someone who was pro-choice. Fuck you very much...

FYI, I'm a pro-life Christian and did not support the Huckster one bit.  The Huckster is not a conservative, he's a more eloquent, more charismatic GWB. Same policies, better packaging. Do. Not. Want.

Rudy was my #2 choice (behind Fred), Romney was #3. I guess McCain was #4 and I did not want to vote for him but came around when he tabbed Palin. Had he not chosen her there's a good chance I would've stayed home, not out of anger but out of apathy.

The biggest problem with the GOP is not abortion, it's that the GOP abandoned conservatism and small government principles about 10 years ago.

200 I hope the fucker fails, miserably and thoroughly

You had me at hello. ObamaHitlerPanther is not going to get a bit of help from me. Quite the opposite.

201

The problem in organizing conservatives is that the main trait of a conservative is individualism. Its like trying to heard a bunch of cats.

While wearying a blindfold.

The only way conservatives come together is when there is an actual crisis and thats only until the cirsis is over.    

202

"I imagine that Franken, being the classless jerk that he is, will demand a recount."

Actually, although I agree with your sentiments about Franken, the recount is automatic in Minnesota when the race is less than 1/2 of 1%.

That's not what troubles me.

Being the classless jerk that he is, Franken will have all the high-powered Democrat lawyers in the country trying to disallow certain votes and allow certain others, until he can engineer his victory.

"Count, recount, and recount again, until your guy ends up on top.  Then quit."

203

From the editors at NRO this is the kind shit we are getting.

 

Bush took too long to change course in Iraq and botched the response to Hurricane Katrina. McCain rarely stuck to one message or strategy. The financial crisis, for which we do not primarily blame either man, sealed the party’s fate.

 

They are blaming this shit on Bush as well, even dragging up that old chestnut of Katrina response which was a total media construct. I am surprised they didn’t jump on the Wall Street greed and deregulation mantra as well. Instead they edged over to the “plenty of blame to go around” meme without really saying it.

 

They are already botching the lessons learned. Next they will probably come out and attack Palin. The only good thing about this article was they said we needed to quyit the mealy-mouthed shit. I’ll second that.http://tinyurl.com/5ey2wd

204 The problem in organizing conservatives is that the main trait of a conservative is individualism. Its like trying to heard a bunch of cats.

Believe me, I've considered that. As I see it, there are two main problems with the "Galt Day" idea. 1) what you said, and 2) many large business owners are liberals. So the question would be, are there enough conservatives among them, and can those conservatives be brought together. I think the self-interest angle is obvious enough to everyone that they wouldn't need too much convincing on the merits.

205 "Fox News just said the AP declared Norm Coleman the winner."

Posted by: AD at November 05, 2008 08:47 AM

Fox hasn't called it - they are reporting that the AP has called it. Franken won't concede they further reported.

And regards to Geraldo's comments that Palin was the problem and McCainshould have gone more liberal. The day the Republican Party gets takes social issue guidance from Geraldo Rivera is the day I figure out how to start a new party.

We lost for lots of reasons, the biggest being our party and our country are in a full blown identity crisis. We have to descide 1) as citizens to STAY invloved all year long. Grass roots is the only way we will have healthy activity there in Washington. No more of this we vote 'em in and send them off to DC, and then next political season we meet up again. That ain't cutting it. And I sense that we better figure out that we are CONSERVATIVE first, then Republican.

I saw a congrassman Paul Ryan last night on Fox. He was a bright spot. I liked very much what he had to say. He has a website that is called Americanroadmap.org, I'd like us to pay attn to him.

I'd also like us to keep focused and keep in touch so we can work on 2010, and work on doing our part to ensure minimal damage, each of these many days we have to endure.

Listen, we haven't just been spouting rhetoric about O. He IS dangerous. Our best hope is that with our active and respectful participation in our own govt, (and not going back to that free rein thing we tend to do btwn election cycles), our best hope is that O will desire to stay in the middle . And prayer. Pray, pray, pray.

206

The party in power loses when economic conditions are bad. 

The Republicans deserved to lose and conservatives, especially fiscal conservatives had no place to go.  The 1994 Contract with America would have won in a landslide, but President Compassionate (read that as "not") Conservative Bush led as a weak, unprincipled Democrat.  The Republicans in Congress were as bad or worse. 

Look for some serious Democratic overreach, a weak economy, and some Republican gains in 2010.  Not that it matters.  People are feeling a $1 trillion deficit, and a $1 trillion dollar economic bailout and it's bad.  There is a $60 trillion problem coming at us from Social Security and Medicare, and Bush took a beatdown when he tried to address it.  That ensures nobody else will.  When they go to the vault for that big surplus we built up with excess Social Security taxes and find a big pile of IOUs, the SHTF.  Want to retire?  Better plan on working until you're 75 or collecting about $22.50 a month.  The money isn't there.  Tax cut?  There isn't going to be one.  Taxes are going up for everyone. 

 

207 It's almost time to start pushing a "John Galt" movement.

..."almost?"

I'm not convinced such a thing is plausible; but assuming for the sake of argument that it is...exactly what kind of sign are you waiting for?

Oh I'm doing it and will continue. But I'd like to see it promoted nationwide. Of course the government will come after the promoter.

208 I've been avoiding Ebay and Amazon marketplace vendors in blue states for over a year. Also, I avoid buying Hollywood's junk when it will profit Hollywood. If I really want to see the latest piece of crap movie, I can wait till a red state vendor sells a used one on Ebay.

209 Coleman won, with all precincts reporting, by just 571 votes.

However, a win is a win.

210

Fox news is reporting:  "With the unofficial vote tally complete, Coleman led Franken by 571 votes out of nearly 2.9 million cast. Coleman had 1,210,942 votes, or 42.03 percent, to Franken's 1,210,371 votes, or 42.01 percent. ... The Franken Campaign told FOX News that they are not conceding."

http://tinyurl.com/6pkswk

211

1. Ensure that no "winner take all" primary rules survive this election season for any place in the Union for Republicans. This is critical as the next point:

Make sure that this is not a solely proportional system like the Democrats had this year as that was a disaster. I'd probably go something like 50% of the delegates for the winner of the state, with the remaining 50% apportioned among all candidates based on % of the vote. So if you win the primary with 40% of the vote total you'd get 70% of the delegates for that state.

2. No more "open primaries" allowed for Republicans anywhere. These two points are of extreme importance. The Democrats jiggered our selection process. Eliminating the influence of Dems in Republican primaries will allow for a more fair and vigorous primary season which will trend more conservative.

I would add the following:

Eliminate caucuses. Everything would be a closed primary.

Set up three (and only three) primary dates, say, the 1st Tuesday in February, March, and April. Split up the primaries so that 1/3 of the delegates are awarded on each primary date. Do not make the primaries regional; rather, have a blend of different states and regions on each primary date so that no specific region can determine the state of the race too early.

In other words, get rid of the undue influence that Iowa, NH, and SC have had. The Huckster was propelled forward by the ridiculous Iowa caucus system. NH got McCain back on track, Fred basically kneecapped Huckster in SC and pushed momentum to McCain, and FL pretty much sealed it a couple of weeks later. Why should everything be settled so early by so few states? Why should one single primary be allowed to provide so much momentum for any one candidate? And furthermore, do these three states really give us an adequate cross-section of the Republican party on a national scale?

212

Ghost of Lee Atwater- One of many brilliant posts on how to proceed.

I Demand my Manifesto Post!!!

213

Does anyone know if there is a way to verify your vote?  Is there is a list somewhere with my name on it in the McCain column?

I am highly skeptical of the low GOP turnout claim.  What if the play was to have us be on the lookout for voter fraud (ala ACORN) when the real move was to trash a portion of the ballots from registered Republicans?

Doing so deflects any charges of fraud because "we had a low turnout anyway."  Additionally, it serves to demoralize and fracture us further as we debate who is to blame.

Think about it.

214

Does anyone know if there is a way to verify your vote?  Is there is a list somewhere with my name on it in the McCain column?

It wouldn't be possible, because no one signs their ballots.

215 Wow, America, you really fucked up on this one.  Not only with Pres-elect Obama, but with Murtha... and Frankan this close to winning it? WTF?

I don't know my country.  I can't believe that the American people got sucked in by the hope and change rhetoric.

The only comforting thought is that I can spend the next for years telling them: "I told you fucktards the emperor had no clothes!"

And I'm going to fight Obama every step of the way when it comes to taxes and any other insanity he might want to push through Congress.

216 Now Now...

In AK I am gonna bet He steps down. for 1 reason
They dont have to have a special election. Sarah P can take the seat. The GOV can appoint someone up there it is my understanding.
I think we could see her in the senate.

217

The only comforting thought is that I can spend the next for years telling them: "I told you fucktards the emperor had no clothes!"

I'm ready to invest in "Don't Blame Me -- I voted for McCain" bumper stickers. As we enter an era of Jimmy Carter Revisited, they will sell well.  Anyone here know anyone making these yet?

218 "Excuse me, I am Christian and very much prolife, but I did not and would not ever vote for Huckabee, I never trusted him. And you are an ignorant asshole if you think that that is the only thing Christians care about. Go buy a clue."

And you wouldn't have supported Giuliani why?

219

psst, Ann, He's for gun control.

 

 

 

 

220 "And I don't think there was anybody on the R side we would have been excited about, except maybe Fred, and only if Fred would have brought it during the campaign the way he brings it in his videos."

Except that Giuliani as a record of executive management of a huge economy. He cut taxes and spending in a city with an economy bigger than most countries. Under his management, the murder rate in NYC went from 2000 a year to 400. I don't understand why Fred was the more exciting candidate. What has he ever done?

221 Re: Huckster. He could have run for the senate in Arkansas and put up a good race. Instead, he gave the Democrats an uncontested race, which freed them to pour money into Minnesota and elect Al Franken. Thanks, Huck. TYSFM.

222 "psst, Ann, He's for gun control."

and yet he said he would appoint strict constructionist judges

223

More than anything, the past 20 years have demonstrated how important it is to have a clear articulation of conservative principles.  Only with the contract with America have we had anything like that since Reagan.  We have seen what happens when we nominate candidates who are inarticulate or who do not suscribe to hose values.  We either lose (Dole, McCain) or we get something we were not fully expecting (the big-government republicanism of Bush)

224 So the Decision Desk will call this in favor of an elimination of gay marriage in California.<

HAHAHA Andrew Sullivan, it was the african american and latino voters 30/70

225

Rudi was not only for gun control but he was the one who started suing the gun stores. He also is the one the Dems used to initiate the case with SCOTUS that elliminated the line item veto. In short, he is a liberal.

 

There were only three real conservatives in the primaries, Thompson, Hunter, and Tancredo. (and Hunter I am not that sure of because I haven’t researched his record). Everyone believed the media’s lies about Thompson’s fire in the belly bullshit. Conservative’s should have known then that the media loved the liberals for the primary.

 

The Republican Party used to reward States that voted for Republicans and punish those that went Dem. I hope they remember that next time and move Iowa to the back of the bus. In addition, get rid of caucuses. What they need to do is a kind of reverse run-off.

 

Start in a conservative State that has been safe Republican for a long time. Hell, use the one that had the largest Republican victory. Run the first primary there. Eliminate the bottom 25% of the candidates after the primary. Move to the next highest margin Republican State. Eliminate the bottom 25% there. Continue this until it is winnowed down to 2 people. The hold a super primary that decides between the two of them.

 

AND close off cross voting.

226 Except that Giuliani as a record of executive management of a huge economy. He cut taxes and spending in a city with an economy bigger than most countries. Under his management, the murder rate in NYC went from 2000 a year to 400. I don't understand why Fred was the more exciting candidate. What has he ever done?

It's not a question of accomplishment. Hey, I love Rudy. I think he'd have made a great president.

I'm talking about excitement. The lefties loved Obama, despite his not ever having accomplished a single thing ever. Why? Charisma? I don't know. It's an excitement factor. Back in 2004, I joked that the Dems should be wearing buttons that say, "Kerry, I guess."

Fred, at least the Fred of the videos, has a way of talking that makes you say, "Damn right!" It's a combination of acting skills, raw charisma, and that deep honey voice of his. Rudy's got some charisma, but not enough, and not much that affects people who didn't grow up in the Northeast.

This is the media age, and if this election proved anything, it's that you can go a long way on style alone.

227

Fred, at least the Fred of the videos, has a way of talking that makes you say, "Damn right!" It's a combination of acting skills, raw charisma, and that deep honey voice of his.

I wonder if your joy at finding a candidate with true conservative principles didn't blind you to the fact that Fred put most people to sleep in the primaries. He looked and sounded like an old fart. And I'm saying that as someone who quite likes the man.

228 I wonder if your joy at finding a candidate with true conservative principles didn't blind you to the fact that Fred put most people to sleep in the primaries. He looked and sounded like an old fart. And I'm saying that as someone who quite likes the man.

I believe I was quite clear about saying that I was referring to the Fred that we saw in his videos. Not the Fred who showed up on the campaign trail.

229 Dan R,

Huckabee? Sorry, Huckabee was the one candidate for Pres I would not have voted for under any circumstances.

I would have gladly supported Rudy. He needs to spend the next four years sucking up to the NRA every chance he gets, and otherwise showing that he's "grown" on guns, but I'll happily support him.

I would have gladly supported Mitt. And I think, given his economic credentials, he might have won this time around.

I only supported McCain because of Palin, and because of how bad Pbama and the MSM were.

But don't blame Fred for tanking the Huckster, that's the best thing he could have done for us.

Oh, BTW, Coleman's still up, with 100% of precincts reporting.

230

Back during the primaries the McCainiacs and Rotten Rudies kept saying they would deliver some of the blue States while keeping the existing red.

 

Look how well that turned out. 9 Red States went Blue from large elements of the base sitting at home. It was 2006 expanded.

 

No more fucking liberal RINOs!

231

So the Ace of Spades Decision Desk calls this for Franken.

Still drunk, I see....

232 well, what can I say that has not been  said? Now to end this madness.  I will fly my American flag until such times BHO proves to me that he really is for all Americans. I guess my flag will fly upside down for four years.

233

New sign:   PALIN - 2012 - A FRESH BREATH OF CONSERVATISM

234 I am a proud grandfather.  When the teacher, in my grandaughter's freshman class, told the class they shouuld respect president elect BHO, Sarah raised her hand, and when called on, answered "I will show him the same respect  he showed President Bush."  The teacher's asnwer: You have a point.

235

open letter to president elect Barack Obama

Mr President Elect:

during your campaign you promised to take care of the middle class.  Over and over again you stressed that promise.

Well, I know you have not taken power yet, so far the only people that have been taken care of are the big financcial banks, and soon the big 3 auto magnates.

I believe you said you would sign a bill to bail them out the day of your inauguration.

Where do we stand Mr. President Elect?

I have a suggestion for your consideration. Since we are heading towards a liberal government and are buying into the big corporations and financial systems, why don't we do the following for the middle class?

A law could be passed which states that effective 1 Feb 2009 all companies issuing credit cards may not charge the consumer more than 10% APR. Also, effective 1
Feb 2009 all aprs that currently exceed 10%  APR will be changed to reflect 10% APR.

The above suggestion would not cost the government a penny and would give the consumer more money in their pockets every month.

Recently the goverment, with your ok, bailed out citi group.  Now some consumers who have credit cards with citi group, pay much more than 10%apr. Now they are helping, with their tax money, to keep them afloat. Somehow there seems to be something wrong with that.

I know that this suggestion will get nowhere and that you will probably never see it to begin with.  But, as a United States citizen, I am fed up with the government bailing out big business and stepping all over us to do it.

Joseph E. St Ours

MSGT, USAF RET

Millersville, Md 21108

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