1 1st

2 The man was fine - if he had a plan.

No plan -> it doesn't fucking matter if you're a good leader.

3 Of course, if fucking sucks if you can't lead someone out of a grass shack. But that's what we've got.

4 Looks like 367 electoral votes for Obama. Mandate talk will the MSM's next mantra.

5 Obama has no discernible plan either.  He says shit and all, but when you look at any of the details you know its all just very expensive bullshit and faerie dust.

6 I love you man!

7 I'm still trying to figure out how we got stuck with him. The talk that a GOP loss was inevitable was nothing more than a talking point spewed by the MSM/DNC. We could have easily won this election, and would have even with an incredibly weak candidate like McCain had it not been for Bernanke/Paulson.

Why did we pick this guy, and what can we do in the future to make sure another debacle like this doesn't happen? We need to just blow this party up and start afresh.

8 This was all too apparent when McCain failed to defend conservative principles from Obama during the debates.  One could only conclude that McCain does not believe in those principles.

9 FWIW, Ohio is only 60% in, and McCain is only down less than 100K votes there.

10 anybody recommend a gun?

11 McCain does not believe in those principles.

True enough.  Frequently he openly disdains them.

12 Obama's plan was to win.

13

14 AS was said, we tried to drag him across the finish line...

...and his grip on the near side of it was just too strong.

Most inept campaign since Bush Sr.

15 President elect Obama   Hey watch it with the gloating!  I may just quit working and then your Omama can't pay your mom's mortgage with my tax money, parasite.

16

Republicans have two years to get their act together, come up with a coherent economic vision (updated, revised terms for Reaganomics), restate their foreign policy values, and take back state legislatures and the House of Representatives. They need to learn how to assign blame to those who deserve it - Democrats and Republicans for corruption, Democrats for the housing crisis.

No more pandering, no more equivocating. McCain had the right vision for the country but a failed delivery. Let Rove run the 2010 campaign, and hope that intelligent, logical conservatives show up to run for state legislatures and US House positions.

17 anybody recommend a gun?

A 12ga under the roof of your mouth is usually definitive.  If its for personal defense rather than offing yourself, there's lots of differing opinions.

18 I don't see 367 yet.  He built up a pretty big expectation from the electorate.  There's no way anyone would be able to live up to that.  Bobby Jindal in '12!  And if I have to hear anything about race next election please.  The US just elected a black president, I didn't vote against him because of his skin color I voted against him because I didn't agree with his policies, just like I do ever time I vote. 

Can we cut out the shots of Times Square and Grant Park now please? 

19 I think you're right. One of the most powerful assets of the American military is a strong NCO corps which can do things without top-down orders; they can take initiative.

As we saw with McCain, he silenced his supporters, especially against the Reverend Wright/Obama connection. I could never make a positive case for McCain, only against Obama, because I was never quite sure what he really stood for; I understood easily where Obama stood - the exact opposite of whatever the right answer was.

I think you're on the money here...about nine months too late.

20 and it starts. "Obama's transcendence".

21 Thier hyping this shit as 'Americas First Black President".   More like Americas first Premiere,........ black is optional..

22 I'm starting to think the Conventional Wisdom was right for once, and that no Republican had a chance this year.  The electorate was just determined to ignore any and all facts about Obama that didn't support his HopeyChangeyness.  I'd like to think Thompson or Giuliani, or hell, even Mitt Romney, would've done better, but I really don't think it's true.

23 Fuck it, McCain sucks. We all knew that. Anyone who voted for McCain in the primary because he was the only one who could win, please go shoot yourself. Anyone who crossed over and voted for Obama in the primary because he was easier to beat, please go shoot yourself.

24

This man will be a disaster.  Hopefully the country does not suffer too much. 

 

I know , that's asking a lot. 

25 restate their foreign policy values

I think Obama will take care of that for us handily by fucking up big time.  Chavez and Castro are going to roll him like a Bowery bum.

26 We survived 3 Democratic administrations during the Cold War. They did nothing, but eventually we got to Reagan. We'll get there again.

27 Ace,
Spot on.

28 "Let Rove run the 2010 campaign"

No.  He got us in this hole in the first place.

29 18 anybody recommend a gun?

A 12ga under the roof of your mouth is usually definitive.  If its for personal defense rather than offing yourself, there's lots of differing opinions.
I believe he was referring to users who have actually used a gun, not someone whose only experience with guns is from a few rounds of Counterstrike.

30 And without Joe the Plumber to give the campaign some sort of theme, how bad would this loss have been?

31 Hey, at least we can start badmouthing McCain publicly again.  Not much, but at least it's something.

32 heh, need clean up... It actually feels good to be the anti-establishment party. I grew up under Clinton; it's fun to throw spitballs.

33

Who cares?

Have another drink, my friends.

/thumbs up half-way shoulder lift

34 We're about to hear the most important acceptance speech in the history of the universe.

God help us.

35 So what's the latest on Larry Craig, Ted Stevens, and William "Cold Cash" Jefferson?

36

Chavez and Castro are going to roll him like a Bowery bum.

Apt, because if Republicans don't regroup quickly, the US is going to look like the Bowery in 1966.

Well uptown got its hustlers the Bowery got its bums
And forty second street got big Jim Walker he's a pool shootin' son of a gun

 

37 Greetings comrades! See you in the re-education camps!

38 The fact that this wasn't a Carter/Regan '80 election result is testiment to the man that McCain is.  Any democrat should have won every red state except even the most deeply republican ones.  I really don't agree with how the rudderless McCain campaign was run, but I think he had a good running mate, ran on mostly conservative platforms, but his downfall was not coming up with a consistant strategy and the economy tanked.  Against a really weak economy the dems could have run a turtle against us and won.  That's what Carter was up against in 80. 

39 Hey, at least we can start badmouthing McCain publicly again.  Not much, but at least it's something.

Well, every cloud and silver lining and all...

40 The thing about not drilling in ANWR was because it was a national park.

But I think the larger point about too much hedging and equivocation still holds.

41 This is what happens when the Republicans run a Democrat as their candidate.  And McCain IS a Democrat at heart!  McCain/Feingold, McCain/Kennedy, no drilling, against tax cuts....he makes me puke!

The Wussypants (RINO) Republicans have screwed up the last 8 years to a fare-thee-well!  It is time for them to go...Specter, Snowe, McCain, Hutchinson, Hatch, etc.  Until the Republican party returns to conservative principles, it will find itself in the pathetic shape it now suffers!

42

I pledge to  give America's first Affirmative Action President all the support that his followers gave to President George W. Bush. 

The war starts now.

43

 President elect Obama,

Nice to see your smart enough to cut and paste, well done.

 

44 As we saw with McCain, he silenced his supporters

I think he just wanted the shot, not the job per se.  Obama wanted the job.  Curiously, I think Obama will grow irritated with it in a couple of years when he realizeds he can't simply wave his hands and make serious problems go away.

45 36. No, we're not. Not if you fucking paid me.

46 The point about Obama not exactly having a schwerpunkt is well taken. However, he had a few ideas that he could drill in a way that McCain never could.

A tax cut for 95% of Americans.

Reducing premiums on health insurance.

That kind of thing. Both of those things were things we had much better ideas about, but McCain would refuse to offer.

I think back to 1996. Dole ran on a 15% tax cut, and it didn't work, so people assumed tax cuts didn't work. Wrong! People were getting tax cuts with Clinton! In the time frame where it mattered, 1994-1996!

No, I agree with Frum that tax cuts are going to be hard to do in an environment where Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid are going to be pressing harder and harder and harder on the federal balance sheet. Fine. We'd better start talking about saving money on health insurance then. Or on property taxes through education tax credits. Or something that will actually save people money and make them more prosperous.

47 Who will be RNC chair?

48

A wildlife reserve is not a park.

49

C'mon, this is merely a leadership challenge.  The electorate is lamentably fickle, they'll find something shiny next week to like more. 

50 Noonan and Parker already have articles written ready to blame Palin.

51 Will McCain remain his "bipartisan" self to ram socialism through the Senate?

52 Probably not the place for this, but can I say out loud the President Elect's middle name yet, or even just the initial, kinda like most (if nor all) prior Presidents?

53 Where was Mitt Romney tonight?

54 I agree that McCain has issues. The BIASED MEDIA didn't help.

McCain was never given a chance to develop a message.

55 2012 starts tonight.

Tonight.

56

So, how long until the NYT starts blowing McCain again? I suggest probably praising him for being an honourable loser by Friday (especially if it can be spun to stop voter fraud lawsuits). And then, back to hardcore in the New Year if the Dems need a RINO to push through the new coal tax etc. So at least something in the world will be back to normal.

57 Screw Rove. The prescription drug benefit, orchestrated by Rove, is a disaster.

Hell, one thing that no one is mentioning is the coming entitlement crisis. In present value terms, we are between 45-70 trillion in debt from unfunded SS and medicare, and that socialism is ticking time bomb. Question is, do we level with the American people about it, or just let it hit, and be around to say "I told you socialism doesn't work".

58 Obamabot, I will look forward to watch you squirm as the months and years go by, and your president digs deep holes. All arguments are old, and none are ever over. Learn yer history, chief.

59 I am still uncertain how we were stuck with McCain.

But older conservatives/Repubs never understood that it was war to the death with an evil adversary. McCain was too collegial, too friendly with the enemy.

I want someone who looks that piece of shit, Hussein, in the eye and says "you aren't our President and we are taking your ass down. Soon, if we can find out how seriously you broke the law. By the next election if your cronies protect your sorry ass"

The Democrats understand this. They cheated all the way and suffered no negatives for it. Good lesson to learn.

60 And I still have work to do so I can't even get drunk!

61 Romney 2012

62
Schwerpunkt isn't a thing, it's a place. It's not correct to ask "what was McCain's schwerpunkt"; instead ask "where was his schwerpunkt"? I'm not being nit-picky here. This is a distinction with a big difference. I would argue that McCain failed to understand the difference and that's a big reason for his loss. He thought in terms of the schwerpunkt being a thing: namely, himself. He should have been thinking in terms of the schwerpunkt being a place: namely, the point at which to apply maximum pressure, or effort (the meaning of the word is forever at issue, and there is no consensus on how it should be translated: it's really a concept rather than at term). In other words he should have decided where Obama was weak and applied maximum pressure/effort at that point. He didn't, and he lost.

63 Don't know about you kids, but I swore to defend a Constitution, against All Enemies...including my douche friends voting for this jack ass. 

64 I'd feel a lot more sanguine if we weren't electing this bastard in the middle of a world war.

But come tomorrow, it *is* time to get the pissing and moaning and depression out of our systems (I've definitely been purging) and *not* become a permanently deranged Angry Right mirror to the moonbats.  The deck's going to be stacked heavily against us for a very long time, and we won't have any power whatsoever... except our voices.  We'll need to speak out loudly and cogently and persuasively, to whoever will listen, against Obama, Reid and Pelosi when they initiate their disastrous policy changes.  And support the president when he deserves it, as I hope he will at least sometimes.  He'll be a wartime commander-in-chief, for better or worse, and the troops will need our support more than ever.

65 xander Good for you.

Ace...Please don't use foreign words for word we in the America's already have... English Man! Use fucking English...Don't try to go all "literate" on us!

66 Nation, welcome to the Chicago Way.

Now you can all pay $4000 a year in taxes for a 1000 sq foot condo in a shit neighborhood, $80 a year "City Sticker" tax, 10.25% sales tax, and heyyyyyyyyyy! Your tax dollars are funding things like leaving live infants to die after they survive an abortion, just like we in Chicago do for the poor abortion survivors at Christ Hospital. (I know, right?! Christ Hospital!)

Hallelujah, holy shit.
Where's the Tylenol?

67 I already have an outline of a fictional book ready to go on the new left lurch of the government and Republicans in the wilderness...literally.

68 A little bit of music to sooth our souls: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=omFdpnSu57U

69 I am going to take a pass on sticking it to the GOP tonight and turn in early.  John McCain might not have been my ideal candidate, but I have a good deal of respect for him.

President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden.  Seems absolutely nuts.  As that one angry old white guy at the rally said, we're going to have Obama and Pelosi leading this country? "We ought to have our heads examined."

But that is where it is, tomorrow I'll wake up and let out the dog, my girlfriend will still love me and maybe the weather will stay mild.  I'll still have that same pile of stuff waiting for me on my desk at work.

Tomorrow I will think about the turncoats.

Oh hey, any bets on the markets tomorrow?  They supposedly dislike uncertainty, so they could rise... but we've also heard of business planning pre-emptive cutbacks if Obama got in. So we'll see.

70 I'll save the gun discussions and tactics arguments for tomorrow. I have to get up at 0430. This is Wiseguy Three One, out.

71 "What was McCain's schwerpunkt? What was his case? Ultimately he sought to run not on a plan or an idea, but upon his character, his personal wisdom and integrity (something I note, not uncoincidentally, could never benefit Republicans generally, as an *idea* could)."

Good point.  He didn't really have a schwerpunkt.

However considering the environment - Bush has trashed the "conservative" brand - McCain did better than could have been expected early.

72

You made a stupid move America, and Junior Senator Barack Obama will be your punishment.

73 I don't want America to "change."

Never did.

74 I wonder if my unit will get any equipment to go to the 'stan.

75 If McStain couldn't carry Virginia and North Carolina, he had no business running.

76 Yes, Ohio could still be in play.

My wife works retail, at 10pm she talked to someone who said that less than 3% of the flash drives were included in the totals.

I wonder if Ohio could be contested given the BS Brunner has been pulling.

77

The only thing McCain did right was choose Sarah Palin, in my opinion.  He presented no image, fought no fights.  I voted for him, but it was more because I knew Obama would be terrible for the country. 

Ace, LGF, HotAir and the other conservative blogs did all McCain's heavy lifting for him.  Where the hell was he?  Why wasn't he running press conference after press conference with all the ammo against Obama?

Did he really want people, at the end, to say, "Well, he was sure a nice guy.  Wasn't he?"  Was his goal really to lose?  If so, he should have never entered the race.  He won't get any more support from me until he starts FIGHTING for something, or at least pretending he believes in something.  Anything.  Just so I can point and say, "Well, there's that.  He believes in that."

I would love to read a good analysis of his campaign that might explain exactly what he was doing. 

78
There was never a reason to vote for McCain, only not vote for Obama, and obviously that case was never made.

Hooray for McDole v 2.0

79 So what's the latest on Larry Craig, Ted Stevens, and William "Cold Cash" Jefferson?

Posted by: Bart at November 05, 2008 12:52 AM (t9PoL)

Who???

80 >>>McCain was never given a chance to develop a message.

Dude, he had 30 years in public life to develop one.

Is "change" a gauzy message?  Yes, it is.

But what was McCain's?  "I'll seek compromises (to what end?) and disagree with my fellow Republicans  (on which issues?)."

Where exactly did he intend to take us?  He did not have Reagan's belief in capitalism, nor in Bush's (unhappy) belief in big-government corporatism. 

81

50 Who will be RNC chair?

Romney, I hope!

82 McCain's problem was that the President/ Republican Senate/Republican House spent like drunken sailors and abandoned all conservative principals.

McCain is a wonderful man, and ran the campaign he had to run.   He couldn't run as The Republican.  He had to run as The Man.   The Republican porkers and spenders lost this for him.

83 McCain also was running on his record and legacy in the Senate.

Obama was running on his future because he had no record to speak of.

84 How long before the media gets thier bailout package .. in 3 2 1

85 "Romney, I hope!"

You mean he's finally finished figuring out what he believes?

86 Sonofabitch, I forgot to mention, we're the MURDER CAPITAL OF THE NATION!!!!!

Someone should really get in here and organize the community.

Oh.
Right.

87 Well, hey, at least he had fire in the belly.

(For those saying Thompson would'nt have done better, bullshit.  No fucking way in hell would Thompson have allowed the Dems to pin blame for the financial meltdown on Republicans.  Not with all the evidence available.  Not in a million fucking years.)

I want a bumper sticker - "Don't blame me, I voted for Fred".

Qwinn

88 steve, it's not a big distinction, with all due respect.  I cited a where as a schwerpunkt. 

And McCain didn't have a where-schwerpunkt, like "Where does he wish to lead us?"

89 Hillary is upset. Her man lost.

90 The bottom line is McCain hoped to be the republican Clinton...No real core. Had he been Reagan reincarnated he would have lost. Change...hope...Thats all the "folk" that Oreally hanged his hat on wanted.

Palin...Bless her heart! She should have been on top of the ticket. Too bad she took the crap and lost. I can't tell you the friendships I've lost.

Morons? I is one

Dumb Mass? I ain't.

91 and McCain is still talking fucking "compromises" in his concession speech.

92 Maybe rap with Barbour about how to 'un-make-love' to this situation.  That's my new, PC side...

93 Did Barry just say we all get a puppy?

94

"Romney, I hope!"

You mean he's finally finished figuring out what he believes?

How about the guy knows how to raise $ & run a successful company?  Sounds like a pretty good start to me. 

95 Great post mortem Ace. I really hated when Bush the first extolled a "kinder and gentler America" as compared to Reagan. Then his son, acorn didn't fall far, said he was a compassionate conservative. Then McCain ran this disjointed campaign where refused to use Obama'a past against him.

We need candidates that truly believe that our principals, those of the founding fathers, were needfully harsh. But that harshness was for the greater good. We do not believe in equal outcomes with unequal effort.

I give liberally to charity, volunteer at a free clinic and we take foster kids in our home. I also think we should close the border, drill here drill now and also want the lazy to work and carry their own weight. Get the real message out and watch the swing back.

Obama is accepting his coronation. Must turn off the TV or plug my ears.

96 93.
No.
We all get a bitch.
Big difference.

97

What needs to be done tomorrow:

1. Nuke Teheran.

2. Nuke Damascus

3. Nuke Teheran again for giggles.

4. Blanket Nuke Pyonyang and surrounding military encampments.

5. Nuke Caracas and the oil fields as well.

6. Send letter with harsh language to Putin.

 

98

i think having RINOs that were defeated in 96 and 06 only ends up making conservatives get the nod in 00, so expect a conservative like palin or romney to get the nod in 2012

99 Actually, we all get to be the Bitches...that's the difference. 

100 10.25% sales tax just won't do. There's inflation to attend to. Just round it to 11%.

101

now come the brave souls to blame McCain. how gutless. what a bunch of Monday morning quarterbacks. I'm proud of the Senator. He had huge odds stacked against him and he did not sell out. He fought the good fight and lost. He is what he is, a senator, not a leader of an ideological movement.

Any of the other Republicans would have met the same fate this time.  

102 #87-
Yeah, I don't doubt that Thompson would've made the case.  Hell, he would've made a great case.  I just don't think anyone would be listening, it wouldn't have penetrated the Hopenchange force field that has insulated Obama supporters from all logic and reason.

103 Bachmann
(Incumbent) 103,939 47% Tinklenberg 93,319 43% 55% precincts reporting - 12:02 a.m. EST, Nov 5 '08

104

McCain didn't really want to win...he just wanted his 'run for President'...it's his 'swan song'...he'll probably retire soon.

The Republicans didn't really want to win it...they know a shit-storm is coming down the line.

105 Ace,

I'm with ya, bud. We need to work to organize the RNC from the bottom up, to define WHAT CONSERVATISM IS.

I think we've allowed the Party to go far too long without thinking about it.

I joined my local RNC, and plan on attending each and every meeting. You?

Regards,
Brian

106 God the media and the obots will be so fucking obnoxious.  Grin and bear it.  Ugh.

We're still the party of class, and ideas that work. Next time we run a real conservative. So long McCain.

off to bed, had enough

107

ps: i mean it 08 not 06

108 60 million + voted for W in 2004.  only 30millionish now.  Good GOTV, mccain.

Let the internal recriminations begin.  Romney will be awesome in 2012.  For 2010, we need a new Gingrich.  a new conservative movement.

109 There is no hope left. America is going to be dead within 4 years.

I bid everyone a fond goodbye. I'm out of politics forever.

110 ToraBora,

You are so right.

Don't know what I was thinking.

Forgive my momentary lack of patriotism.

111

To those who've dismissed my comments on the grounds, "just ignore him, he voted for Ron Paul"...

Yeah, I see your point now. Ron Paul wasn't a good choice, because he might have lost the election.

112 Anybody else having trouble typing AND burying your guns in the back yard?

113 Something tells me he's not done with us yet.  There are going to be some real fights in the Senate.  Guess who is going to lead the next gang of whatever.

114

Ace,

You left out the part about McCain hiring every fucking lobbyist in Washington to run his campaign.  It's no wonder he never got a theme; Charlie Black and Rick Davis don't know how to do that shit.  But they knew how to get McCain the nomination. 

I give Barack Obama huge props for one thing:  he put his campaign in Chicago and he hired non-Washington people to run it.  Hillary didn't, she hired all the Washington retreads and put her HQ in Washington.  And then McCain did the same thing.  In 2000 Bush ran his campaign from Texas, with Texas people like Joe Allbaugh and Karen Hughes in charge.  Reagan had his California Mafia. 

115 So where do I sign up to help the new conservative movement? Something tells me I'm going to be screwed in academia even more so than I was before.

116 Yes, Ohio could still be in play.

Oh good. McCain can still be President of Ohio.

What is the consensus on those web sites like HillBuzz and the one predicting a McCain/Palin Landslide? Were we punked?

117 Yeah, put me in the screw McCain column, even though I believe this election says way more about the electorate than about the candidates. Still, it would've been nice to see Rudy, if he lost, swap out McCain's "classy" concession speech for a big, fat "fuck you, you fucking commies."

118

McCain was too much the friendly Senator and not the dedicated campaigner. He never had the fire to go out and fight to win the elections--he acted like it was some kind of senatorial debate.

This has all the markings of the Carter election in 76. Back then Ford had the weight of Nixon around his neck while McCain had Bush and the economy. Obama, like Carter, is a relative nobody and just as inexperienced. I just pray that Obama's term is only as bad as Carter's--if its any worse we really are screwed.

119 The Aztecs believed the world would end in like 2012 or so, so we have that to look forward to! Yay!

120 He's forever undercutting himself with unexplained hedges and caveats.

That's why you don't nominate a Senator.  

Barry was a Senator in Name Only and never had to make the concessions that a senator needs to in order to be an effective legislator.

121 McCain = Dole.

Old, clueless Republicans, out of it.

These are men who, despite their personal probity, just are uneducated about the brilliance of the founding fathers.  Sarah gets it.

Dole, Kemp, Bushes, they think niceness is the gist.

And good for them.  Their inclinations are honorable, and derived from Christian ethics.

They are also Bozos.

The idea of freedom and liberty is now shrinking in the consciousness of mankind.  The 20th Century never occurred.

The material blessings of free thought, are disconnected from the thought of most voting Americans.

We shall see where this will take us.

122

i think we should point this out:

the dems looked FUCKED in 04, i mean looked FUCKED the way we did in 06 and 08...2 years later it all "changed"

so while we whine, bitch, and moan; don't forget in just 2 years it can all change

123 Yeah, I was a Guiliani guy. Goddamnit.

124 I am pissed that McCain couldn't carry New York.

125 McCain's only issue was a crappily run campaign. Lack of money and the fact that he stuck to his values. McCain was always my candidate. I think he would have made a truly fantastic president.

He should have just been himself and not worried about all the ilks of republicans out there. He's a conservationist. He's not a xenophobe. He has strong foreign policy. He is against the special interest groups. He is not a social conservative. WHY did he try to appeal to all of these assholes? It and they screwed him in the end. And then, in kissing their asses, he freaking gets abandoned by all the moderate lefties who extolled his virtues the entire time.

I would love to personally gut the Republican party right now. Worst run and most poorly organized campaign ever.

Oh, and Democrats, enjoy your win all you want. You have officially lot all chance of a publicly financed election again. Good luck with that.

126 Nah, McCain was too much of an Officer.  Fuck it.  It's over.   Would love to see Sarah whip that Black Panther's Ass in Philly.  Any guesses where the night stick would get shoved?

127 I don't know if this will make any of you feel any better, but it helped me a little.  I just went to the McCain site and sent him a sarcastic congratulations.  Essentially said, congrats for keeping you "honor" and giving us President Bambi.  I also suggested that he do the ex post facto "honorable" thing and and resign his senate seat, a la Dole in '96.

128 To do list:
1-Buy several firearms.  1 high powered rifle, 1 shotgun and carry weapons for me and the wife.  A pair of .22 for the kids.
2-Join the local RNC and bitch my head off.
3-Support anyone in congress who has the balls to stand up and fight.
4-Cancel all subscriptions including NR, etc.
5-Get more involved with the NRA

Am I missing anything?

129 111

To those who've dismissed my comments on the grounds, "just ignore him, he voted for Ron Paul"...

Yeah, I see your point now. Ron Paul wasn't a good choice, because he might have lost the election.

Posted by: David Ross at November 05, 2008 01:09 AM (IA6yS)

Ahaha...classic man.  Nice.  I didn't support Ron Paul, but man at this point I am willing to look at him again.  Fuck off Republicans, go die the death you derserve.  Spineless sacks of shit.

130

What is the consensus on those web sites like HillBuzz and the one predicting a McCain/Palin Landslide? Were we punked?

don't know yet, silent there

131

From NRO, He is on fire and seems to agree with Ace only in more detail.

from our David Kahane's amanuensis:

1)  We got this the old-fashioned way: we earned it.  The other side took the fight to us, and we never took the fight to the other side, except coyly and obliquely.  That's not a mistake we should make the next time.  "Honorable campaigns" are for losers.  Next time, call 'em as they really are, not as you wish to see 'em.

2)  Where was Bush?  Once again, and right to the bitter end, he let his passion for "loyalty" supersede what was stragetically right for the party, not to mention what was best for the country.  I think his reputation has nowhere to go but down; yes, he got one big thing right,
but he got everything else wrong.   Enough of this family in our
country's politics!

3)  Good riddance to Liddy Dole, the woman who gave us the national  drinking age of 21 and a host of sozzled underage college students.  She won't be missed.

4)  Hillary comes out smelling like a rose, plus unbloodied.  She and Bill are already scoping out 2012.

5)  Time to clean house.  McCain should have been president in 2000, not in 2008.  No more "it's my turn"  for the last loser.  We need to be looking for our candidates in the ranks of returning war vets — think Eisenhower in '52 as the model — and let the Dem's shifty lawyers run the country for a couple of years.  Then hit them across the board with  people who know how to lead.   Gen. Petraeus might be a good place to start.  Lots of junior officers, too.

6)  You know what?  McCain never did sell himself as a leader.  He sold himself as a maverick.

7)  One upside: McCain/Feingold is now dead, as is public financing.  Talk about being hoist with your own petard!

  That Gang of 14 thing really worked out well, didn't it?  Say good-bye to the courts.  And we were so close...

9)  Joe Lieberman was worse than useless.  When he could have made a difference, he didn't cross the aisle to caucus with the Republicans. 
Now, it doesn't matter.  Thanks, Joe.

10)  Age matters.  McCain ran an "honorable campaign" because he never really understood in his heart that the other guy had no intention of doing so; he didn't "get" Obama's generation, or Axelrod's..  Obama would lie about public financing, "oppose" gay marriage but also oppose Prop. 8 and never see it as morally contradictory.  The world that McCain understood and operated in is vanishing, and tonight is visible evidence.

11)  Unlike the Democrats, let's show some class in defeat.  That doesn't mean lie down and roll over: it means fighting for what we believe in, doubly so now.  But their sneering childishness is not for us; and now that they've won, they won't be able to control it even in victory.  This is an unlovely party filled with unlovely people, as America's about to find out once the Obama pixie dust wears off.

12)  Understand, once and for all, that the old media is part of the Democratic Party now.  Ignore it.  Never send Michele Bachmann onto Hardball again.  Never send Sarah to play nice with Katie.  We need to develop and create our own work-arounds — Fox, talk radio, NRO, etc. — and use them.  Don't play by their rules: make our own.

132 I hate when Obama evokes all these great American achievements and victorys.  Yeah, no thanks to you fucking liberals.

133 Barry was a Senator in Name Only and never had to make the concessions that a senator needs to in order to be an effective legislator.

That's an excellent point. Should have seen that one, um, nine months ago..

134 Huh?  Everything was always clear with McCain. 

McCain has a few core decent conservative principles. 

Beyond that, McCain is attracted to situations where he can be a power broker.  Problem is, most of the power struggles of consequence are on the left side of the scale, so he spends a lot of time over on the left looking to broker power.  

Finally, one of the fine points of being a power broker is you must not ever insult or attact anyone who might deal you power that you couldn't attain on your own.  Hence, he never insults the left while finding little of interest in dealing with or supporting the hapless right. 

135

What is the consensus on those web sites like HillBuzz and the one predicting a McCain/Palin Landslide? Were we punked?

The problem there is that they're dems, which means they're less grounded in reality than us - and I'll be the first to admit I let myself get sucked in. I don't think their goals were nefarious, though.

136

Yeah, I was a Guiliani guy. Goddamnit

me too

137 128

Kill your television?
I'm seriously considering, but damn, I love the Science Channel, Discovery, and Nat Geo.

138 victories*

139 victory speech for BO sucked, no substance just bs, only good part was when he didnt treat the reps like fucking lucifers for once

140

It would've been nice to see McCain defend free markets in the debates when Obama attacked "deregulation".  But frankly, it wouldn't have mattered. All of you that blame McCain, remember that we just had a huge financial crisis and are heading into a recession.  (You do recall the bailout that Ace urged you all to support that was massively unpopular that McCain supported and took the lead on, right?) 

Bush's approval rating is about 25%.  The ONLY Republican who had a remote chance was "anti-Republican" McCain. (Although I think if the media did their jobs and McCain went for the jugular and people really saw what Obama was about, i.e., hard leftism, maybe, just maybe we would've had a shot.)

141 At least I can now tell my black neighbors how racist they are for not standing up for Condi Rice or that they elected a doughy white man in Maryland over a very competent black man in Maryland.

Racism is OVER.

142 I am sad.

143 You guys remember what H. Norman Schwarzkopf said what he was going to do to the enemy? "Grab it's neck and cut it's head off" was what he said. We need a leader that realizes that Reverend Wright was an indicator of the man that is Obama.

The secular preacher is giving his benediction. The media have proven, if nothing else, they are too powerful. There is no check and balance with them and it will get worse now that they have succeeded.

144

It's not McCain, RHINOs or any minute strategy details that lost this election. 

This was a MSM victory through and through.  Forget about the alternative media, it's but a voice in the wilderness compared to the MSM.

From 2000 onwards, the MSM have set the agenda, shaped the narrative, demonized Bush and the Right, undermined the WOT, and finally elected a novice as president.

This is their finest hour.

 

 

145 128 To do list:
1-Buy several firearms. 1 high powered rifle, 1 shotgun and carry weapons for me and the wife. A pair of .22 for the kids.
2-Join the local RNC and bitch my head off.
3-Support anyone in congress who has the balls to stand up and fight.
4-Cancel all subscriptions including NR, etc.
5-Get more involved with the NRA

Looks just like mine... except I have a 6th - find job working for conservative lobbying group and get the hell out of academia.

146 Is this where we tell everyone that McCain wan't our first choice in the first fucking place? How the hell to we get closed primary's next time? Damn it all to Hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

147 I am still uncertain how we were stuck with McCain.

Open primaries.

148 Xander,

You ever seen "McDonalds Rap" ?

Here, laugh:

http://tinyurl.com/2c8cs8

149 Maybe now all of you may be just a bit humbled. What you failed to see was the reality that most Americans held.

150 And Canuk is right too! Shit on every one of them. I will!

151

Does this mean I can finally say Sarah Palin is a dope?

Good. 

Sarah Palin is a dope.  A small town mayor who I said the day she was nominated was a way out of her league and a token who would never have been picked if not for her gender.

Let's rebuild with some serious people or we can lose the next election too.

152 ballsdeepfootsweep, You need to go a step further. Rent a table at the next gun show. "Uh, yeah, I sold 'em all. Sorry I didn't report the income, didn't think it was enough to matter."

153 So anyone know if the colored fella won?

154 McCain was more concerned about his "honor" then with saving America. He is a stupid old man who cannot imagine life outside his little Senate club. That concession speech of his made me sick...it was all about him...like he'd just lost a round of golf, not handed the country over to the Chicago thug machine. Get lost McCain.

155 Does this mean I can finally say Sarah Palin is a dope?

Good.

Sarah Palin is a dope. A small town mayor who I said the day she was nominated was a way out of her league and a token who would never have been picked if not for her gender.

Biden is any less of a dope. It is going to be a hilarious 4 years.

156 I dont know what to say, currently drinking heavily though. I cried when I saw the tears well up in Palin's eyes......wow....what happened to my country?

157 I've never gotten drunk but tonight seems like a good night to pop that cherry.

158 12)  Understand, once and for all, that the old media is part of the Democratic Party now.  Ignore it.  Never send Michele Bachmann onto Hardball again.  Never send Sarah to play nice with Katie.  We need to develop and create our own work-arounds — Fox, talk radio, NRO, etc. — and use them.  Don't play by their rules: make our own.

excellent point

159

Does this mean I can finally say Sarah Palin is a dope?

Good. 

Sarah Palin is a dope.  A small town mayor who I said the day she was nominated was a way out of her league and a token who would never have been picked if not for her gender.

Let's rebuild with some serious people or we can lose the next election too.

typical allah slurping jackass, palin gave Mac hope

160

Does this mean I can finally say Sarah Palin is a dope?

You can say whatever you want to asshole until January 21, then not so much. Enjoy our new Messiah.

161 I'll never be able to call him my President. I'm sorry if I sound bitter but he lied and cheated his way into office, with help from the msm, who now can rightfully be called Pravda.

I fear for our country, and yes, I'm bitter that there are so many useful idiots out there. We are more divided than ever.

Did I mention I'm bitter?

162 John Ryan--

It's amazing.  You were arrogant at 48% support, cursing those in the stupid 52% majority, and now you demand we be "humbled" at 48% support.

Like you were, Hoss?

fucking cunt.

I wish you could say that to my face.  I'd take your head off, you silly little bitch.

163 And they said Mitt Romney couldn't win cause he was a Mormon?  Mitt Romney was who we needed.  And Rudy Guiliani too.  That would have been a formidable ticket.  But they said Giuliani wore a dress in a comedy skit and no one would vote for him.   They were obviously wrong.   Or maybe the wonderful sense of humor and common sense of Mike Huckabee?  but no, they said he was a minister.  And yet,

164 It's not going to be alright. We are not going to come back from this.

165 I don't get it.  Why bother with the free-floating speculation?  Everything needs concrete context.

Are we talking about the next RNC Chair?  Good.  We should.
Are we talking about what conservatives should plan?  There's a cabal discussing that this week -- why aren't we covering that?
Are we talking about who our Presidential nominee will be in 2012?  There's no point.  We have the primary electorate we have.  For better or for worse, the nominee will be Sarah Palin.  (In this case, it's *much*, *much* better.)

166 As mentioned above, it's a shame that Gov Palin will forever be associated with this awful campaign and that awful candidate in the name of John McCain.

And as much as like Gov Palin, I feel that she has no place in future national politics. She's been irreversibly tarnished by the media. So let's not sit around for the next four years and hold out hope for Palin to prevail in the primaries and then in the general. It's not going to happen. Gov Palin needs to focus on getting reelected, first. Then, maybe, maybe she'll be a viable candidate in the primaries. Uless of course her next youngest daughter doesn't get knocked up during her junior year in high school.

167

robtr, good list, I agree with almost all of it.

1) We did take the fight to Obama; we tried rallying the PUMAs. But, we couldn't do it with a straight face, given McCain's mavericky stances "against Global Warming" and other such rot. This wasn't a problem with our tactics; it was a problem with our candidate.

12) Here I agree with the strategy but not on the tactics. FOX will bow to the Beltway. And National Review's refusal to publically excommunicate its "ObamaCons" is a large reason the electorate (second-hand) figured the Right had no coherence. And talk radio is about to be made subject to "the local community" (read: ACORN). Better ideas plz?

168

. . . I also suggested that he do the ex post facto "honorable" thing and and resign his senate seat, a la Dole in '96.

 

HUH?  Do you want the Dems to get closer to a fillibuster-proof majority?  Janet Napolitano is AZ's guv & she'd appoint a Dem in his place in a heartbeat!

169 Income?  And feel free to eat a big bowl of dick, dude.  Ain't no different than the market, it's not a time to cry, it's a time to buy.  We can sit and cry about this or realize the opportunity, it's up to us.  P.S.  BO, feel free to lick my sweaty nuts.

170 So the polls were pretty accurate after all.

171 I would like to say that you've done a hell of a job Ace, and fellow co-bloggers. My favorite place on the intertubes. And I will continue to stay with all you morons. The sun will come out tomorrow, and we will fight another day....

172 Ace, this was a truly fine post, good stuff! If tequila played a part in its genesis, I'm for more tequila (might put hair on yer chest, too!)

173 Without Palin, McCain's map would have looked like Mondale's.

174 eat a fat c0ck

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

175

Do you guys think "You Have Got To be Shitting Me" is an OK bumpersticker?

176 Let us not forget the true villian of this election:  the absurd dunce W, son of the absurd dunce HW.

These are men of no intellect.  They came from the 19th century culture of New England noblesse oblige. Connected to great wealth, and disconnected to our reality.

The Buckleys, Noonans, Hitchens, Frums, Harts, are in the same pack.  Their intellect is a decoration, not an essential understanding.

Speak out.

Marxism is an emotional and psychological disorder.

Islam is the ravings of a psychopath.

We have just elected an islamo-marxist.

Common denominator:  hatred of America.

This is a nightmare.

177 Ace,
How my a$$ taste?

Sincerely,
Barak

178 "Sarah Palin is a dope."

No , she is courageous, down-to-earth and a fighter. Most men, let alone a woman, would have been crushed by the sh*t the MSM flung at her. But she held her head high, galvanized the base and with any other candidate other than McCain she might be on the winning side tonight. She was fighting to win this thing for America, McCain was just playing a game and was more concerned about his stupid reputation than winning.

179 >>>. Then, maybe, maybe she'll be a viable candidate in the primaries. Uless of course her next youngest daughter doesn't get knocked up during her junior year in high school.

You fucking Romney people need to chill.

180 And now the "blame Palin" crowd comes in.  There's no doubt Palin lost some small % of independents.  (But frankly, if they thought she was too "inexperienced", what's their justification for voting for Obama? In other words, these people are idiots anyway and would've voted for B.O. regardless.)  However, she more than made up with it by totally exciting the base.  I really don't think there's a doubt McCain would've lost a couple more states and at least a couple of points in the popular vote absent Palin.  How many Republicans would've went to the polls with Tim Pawlenty as VP?

181 Man, I'm going to miss seeing Sarah Palin everyday on the campaign trail.  She was awesome.

182

Ace,

Remember though McCain may have been a terrible candidate, drunk on his own self-righteousness and paralyzed to inaction by the constraints of "conventional wisdom" as dictated by the national media, but at least he had purity on the abortion issue.  Sweet, sweet purity.  Actual ideas?  Not really but purity on abortion?  Bigtime. 

Expect the right to choose act or whatever they are calling it to pass in early January which means all restrictions on abortion will be gone and government will be paying for them.  That actually doesn't bother me and it kind of makes me laugh.  I guess if I had to have a bright side from this election that would be it.  I kind of enjoy a little irony.   

183 And to all you fuckers blasting Palin, Mac wouldnt have gotten as close as he did w/o her. A big Fuck You to you all!!!

184 Pls tell me Coleman will hold his lead. pls, pls, pls.

185 The country didn't vote this man in with a 100% mandate.  Tomorrow half the country will be dealing with disappointment.    Was jsut called by a lib, they demanded that I accept Bo as my president and I told them absolutely not.  They said 100% of the people would have voted him as president but that this country is racist.   Is that what they are going to say?  Sheesh, I didn't vote for him because he is an inexperienced kid.

186

Must stop crying and drinking and go to bed. Have to go to work tomorrow so I can start saving to pay my taxes in 2010.

 

187 Is Blue Moon filtered?
'Cause there's a little bit of "unfilteredness" resting in the bottom of my glass, for the second bottle in a row.
WTF?

188 McCain had no internal compass on how to respond to the mortgage meltdown, neither politically nor economically. His bizarre suspension of his campaign, and ultimate support for the incredibly unpopular bailout package was something he just couldn't recover from.

And by the way, where were the fucking ACORN ads on that? A big fuck you to anyone who says McCain ran a good campaign.

189 I say we are all speaking Iranian by October of 2011

190 I hope my fellow morons will be proud of me. As most of the McCain supporters tried to hide their depression/disbelief, I chose the opportunity to seek out every single fucking piece of shit reporter I could find.

As they interviewed me, I told them how they allowed someone who was a complete unknown, one who was not properly vetted become POTUS. I asked why they never questioned where his medical records were, where is college records were.

I asked them who was Barack Hussein Obama? I told them it was their job to let the American public know and they failed miserably. Where was the reporting on his the fraudulent foreign donations to his campaign? His association with ACORN? Where were the hard hitting questions about his shady associations? Why didn't they interview Ayers? Where was the tape from the LAT? Etc. Etc. Etc.

As I finished each interview (at least 5), they asked for my name. I gave them my first. When they asked for my last name, I said, "HELL NO! Why would I want the media to dig through my personal life?" I also told them I had no doubt they would not print the interview.

Oh, and BTW, I will give Obama as much respect as liberals gave President Bush. Zero.

He is not my president. I truly believe the mother fucker stole the election.

191 I can believe in Changin' Magazines.

192

David Ross, that is not my list as you can see I copied it from NRO. I half agree with you about NRO and fox but you have to work with what you have.

193 That concession speech of his made me sick...it was all about him...like he'd just lost a round of golf, not handed the country over to the Chicago thug machine.

Don't call him McVain for nothing. He took Goldwater's seat, and Goldwater would have nothing to do with him.

194 Whats the matter EK ? Mommy let you play with her computer tonight ?

195 GOP = FAIL

Please leave so that competent people can run the show.

196 It'd be a diamond in a billy goats ass if he did.

197 God bless George W. Bush and all you warriors on this site! 

198 Peter Moore,

SUCK IT.

EK

199

What troubles me most is the number of people who voted against Bush and the GOP instead of FOR Obama.  I have to believe that if American voters knew everything about Obama that they should have known, they wouldn't have voted for him.

My family will face hard times financially.  We will be punished for our "prosperity" regardless of years of hardship in the past, including, for me, 10 years of single parenthood, 2 layoffs in as many years, and 5 years of unemployment at worst, at best making 40% of my 2001 wages for periods of time, following 9/11.  We are already ineligible for the Lifetime Learning Credit and the New Hope Tax Credit, and based on last year's FAFSA, we are expected to contribute more than my take-home pay after taxes and insurance (no money leftover for the 401k!) to my children's college education.  But while I'll pay more taxes so somebody else's kids can go to college on grants and subsidized loans and need-based scholarships, and their families can live better without working for it, and Peggy Johnson won't have to worry about her car payment or her mortgage, I'm not sure how to break it to my kids that I can't keep my promise to put them through college.

But I've been poor before. I'm more concerned about emboldened radicals bullying society in general and rampant, in-your-face anti-white racism.  It's already pretty blatant as it is.  The majority, more than ever, will be treated as an unworthy minority, and it will be justified by saying that we had it coming.  Our President will stand by and not just let it happen, but encourage it.  Remember, this is the man who said, "that's how white folks will do you," like his own mother wasn't white, or his beloved grandparents.

My son, a 21 year old PFC in the Marine Corps who decided less than a year ago to serve our country, just send me a text message.  It reads, "Is this really happening?"

After all the terrible things I've seen and heard today, that's what finally made me cry.

200 His 'schwerpunkt' was I'm not Obama.  Unfortunately this was instantaneously undercut by the libs saying "So you're Bush, then."  And it worked.

201 Hey, EK, I take it back, YOU eat that big bowl of dick.  Assneck.

202 #164 - We *can* come back from this, but it'll be pretty damn tricky.  We're facing the prospect of a depression in the midst of a world war, while at the same time trying to prevent the establishment of a permanent fascist dictatorship here in America. 

Don't be fooled, these are deadly serious times ahead, but for that reason, it's no time to surrender.

203

GOP = FAIL

Please leave so that competent people can run the show.

w/o any BDS to help you win anymore, and w/ the shit that hits the fan falling on your party now i wonder how you'll survive the next 2-4 years

204 On to Sarah...Jack you fucking tard....She was the reason the RINO Mac was even in the race. Yeh, let's dig into her qualifications. SHE IS STILL MORE QUALIFIED THAN THAT ONE that our fellow idiots just put in office. Fuck. I'm Pissed, but no more pissed than I was in 1996. I'll get over it. The Fucking Marxist Obama will have two years of saying I can't get it done because I "insert reason hear" then it'll be I can't get it done because of the new Republican congress in 2010.

205 My bet: Bush, in conjunction with Israel, bombs the piss out of Iran before January 20.

206 Excellent analysis, Ace.

There was a time, late in the GOP primary season, when it was obvious that the only way to compete with Obama's youth and vitality was to veer away from McCain and to Romney. We all knew it at the time but made ourselves believe that McCain could do it.

While I have a lot of admiration for McCain, let's face it, he was too old and devoid of vision.

The MSM would have crucified Romney but at least he could have ripped Barry apart in the debates and would have been perfectly positioned for the financial crisis.

May have still lost, but I wonder.

207 Palin's not a dope. Inexperienced, yes. Inadequately prepared by the Mac campaign, yes. Thrown to the wolves, yes. She was the only thing that gave any life to a shitty campaign, but she might be damaged goods now in the same way that a QB who is forced to start before he's ready is also damaged goods. My biggest fear after he picked her was that she'd be tainted by the stink of his failure. We'll see.

208 This scares me for our country. Not just about Obama winning but all  the   states are changing for the dems.Look at the west. You know Dick Morris got it right in his book " The Browning of America"  it is like a slow death. Most of us are becoming a minority now. This is not the country of our fathers and grandfathers. New people have moved  in and they are taking over..........................I'm sad for our country............Somebody make me feel better..............

209 Over the course of the last year, John McCain ran,  not for President of the US, but for the position of "Mr Nice-Guy".  In doing so he has finally explained and convinced us why he finished at the bottom of his class at Annapolis. He began in Arizona as a returned war hero without intellect who survived and prospered as the lapdog of Mo Udall, never was able to rise above being a syncophant for a Democrat, settled into a career of taking direction from anyone who blew in his ear (Feingold and Kennedy), and came to confuse that with principal. Maybe next time, given our experience with the intellect and charisma of Bob Dole, W and now John McCain  the GOP will see fit to select someone with both the ability and the insight to not only win an election but to communicate and actually govern. God knows, we have tried every other methodology based on old-boy networks,  cronyism, and party self importance.

210

Folks:

Losses always suck. However, you learn more from them than successes.

The next two years are a time to build a political machine that outspends and outorganizes our foes.

Oppositions don't win elections; governments lose them.

Obama and Co are the government. He can't vote present any more. He will have to do something. He will disappoint.

There will be plenty in two years to corral The One. In four, enough to turf him.

Sip the bourbon and start thinking about how to outfox this fox.

211 Ace,
This is not McCains fault. People figured out the GOP sux.

212 I'm sorry, but I know it was the Romney aides who joined McCain who were always trashing Palin.

I'm telling  you, cool out, your man is already a bit damaged from what his aides did.

213

You fucking Romney people need to chill.

 

I was a Romney person during the primaries, but I was enthusiastically supportive of Sarah Palin from day one.

214 When McCain said "I don't care about some warshed-up old terrorist" and then tried to make an issue out of Ayers, I felt like bitch-slapping him.

215 "We are not going to come back from this."

Not if we give up we're not.

Sure, if you fight, you might lose.  We lost today.  But if you don't fight, you'll always lose.  Might as well be dead.

216 Hey Ek, suck the barbed cock of satan, you piece of shit libtard.

217 >>> We all knew it at the time but made ourselves believe that McCain could do it.

Well I tried.  McCain was at the end of my list of acceptable, plausible candidates (Duncan Hunter = acceptable but not plausible), and he barely made that list at all.

218 This is what happens we have 30 years of the Left controlling the education process and the MSM. Until we start fighting the culture wars against these scumbags in the media and in academia we will face heavier and heavier losses. Each new generation is being brainwashed in the schools and universities and in our popular culture. Just look at the anti-American crap churned out by young kids at the Huff Post, Daily Kos and by the Hollywood elites to see how much ground we've conceded to the Left.

219 Seriously, EK.  You + Big Bowl of Dick + Chopsticks = Soba.  Suck it Trabeck!

220 BTW, MORONS, DAILYKOS AND ALL THE OTHER LEFTY FUCKERS ARE GIVING YOU KUDOS ON TURNING ON MCCAIN. You are their new heroes.

Congratulations!

221 Israel hits Gaza tonight - 20 rockets into Israel from Gaza

222 EK...You hit it...not on purpose I think though.

223 VERY interesting post from samizdata.net:

Obama in the Whitehouse... Perry de Havilland (London)  North American affairs

Unlike many, well, most of my compatriots, I am not filled with a deep sense of gloom and foreboding at the prospect of the most left wing president since FDR gaining the Whitehouse. In truth, I can see many reasons to think it may well be a far better outcome than if a Big State Republican like McCain won.

Of course Obama will bring an avalanche of policies that will be truly appalling and quite wicked, of that I have no doubt, much like his predecessors in office in that respect. As the global economy continues to come unglued, everything Obama does to deal with the mounting crises will I fact make things worse. Civil liberties will be hammered, all in the name of 'fairness', and the flood of regulations pertaining to every aspect of economic life will grow into a drowning ocean.

And that is actually the good news.

Why? Because in truth the Republicans under John "I support the bailout" McCain would scarcely have done much better. The economic global meltdown is only just starting to roll: if you think the sub-prime mortgage crisis was the biggie, just wait until you see the fallout from the fun and frolics of the impending mess in other areas, such as debt swaps. This is all going to get worse, a lot worse, and Obama is going to do absolutely everything to dig the holes deeper. Looking back on this period ten to twenty years from now, the Republicans crying into their beer tonight will be saying "thank Christ it was not us in office then".

The lesser evil is not going to win this time and much as it may not seem that way now... or any time soon I suspect... in the long run this has a far far better chance of leading to the rebirth of a genuine pro-liberty, pro-market political culture that the gradual incremental surrender of recent times made impossible.

Many will find the glee of the statist left over the next few days and weeks hard to endure, but to be honest I have been walking around with a grin all day. Finally the era of gradualism is over and the masks are going to come off. The USA has voted for statism and it is going to get exactly what it voted for at a juncture in history where it will very quickly be impossible to hide the cost of those votes.

Obama is not the start of a new era, he is the death knell for the old one.

God I certainly hope so!

224 Anyone know how many Bugatti Veyrons and Lexus LX 570s have been torched by disgustingly-rich racist Republicans by now? I haven't read anything yet, although I heard they had trouble rounding up 50-year-old, single malt Glenfiddich for the Molotov cocktails, so they're looking for the 40-year-old vintage.

I wouldn't be caught dead heaving anything distilled after 1920, but that's just me.

225 "I'm sorry, but I know it was the Romney aides who joined McCain who were always trashing Palin."

You axed that story before...  Maybe it should be up now.

226 Had McCain not picked Palin or someone very much like her, I would likely have stayed home.  And that is even given that I loathe Obama for the cheating thug that he is.  So no, Palin didn't hurt his chances.  She's the only reason he did as well as he did.

Qwinn

227 Sarah Palin, the first women elected as the President of The United States....I can see it now!

228 PUMAS? O.K!!!! We just realized we just got had, it won't happen again cunt ass bithces. Enjoy your 4 yrs. in Barry's Gulag.

229 This has to be said...FUCK ALL OF YOU WHO VOTED FOR MCCAIN IN THE PRIMARIES!!!!!

230 YRM
Please remember the mess W has left Barak Obama.

ps WHERE IS OSAMA BIN LADIN? I thought W was a badass? Is 7 years enough time to catch this guy? I mean he only killed 3K americans? Oh yeah, W is a chickenshit draft dodger. But he does look good pretending to be Tom Cruise!

Ha ha!

231

War Starts At Midnight. [Start at 4:30 or 5:50 minutes if you're short on time.] Let's hope it's a Lesson Learned.

232 OK. I'll tell why I'm stoked.

Racism is off the fucking table folks. OFF. Done. No more.

No Democrats EVER and no blacks ever came to the defense of Condi Rice being called House Nigrass or Uncle Tom in print and cartoons. EVER. Colin Powell never said he thought her treatment was ugly.

The democrats and black voted for a doughy white man of a proven competent black man.

NO longer can african americans hide behind racism. They will NOW be judged on their accomplishments and so

MICHAEL STEEL - 2012

that man was should have sued, just like joe the plumber, for their personal files being illegally looked at by Democrats.

Hope Obama and the Democrats don't look into mine since I didn't vote for them.

233

You fucking Romney people need to chill.

And you need to stop blaming every criticism of anyone on Romney.

Nobody.  Not 1 fucking person, worked harder, raised more money or brought more to this candidacy from the outside than Romney.  Not Fred.  Not Huck.  Not you.  No Fucking Body.

It's beyond old for you to keep hacking on Romney as you did all through the primary particulary after the dirty shit Mav did in the primary and even after Romney and his backers got behind McCain and voted for him.

You need to chill on your Romney shit and accept that McCain was a shitty candidate and Palin wasn't a great VP pick regardless of any other factors.

234 Shit...Isreal is totally fucked!!!!

235

November 4, 2008 is the official end of the American Dream. It's been in the process of dying since the 1960's. Ronald Reagan gave us all hope that we could turn the tide and save this greatest of all countries that ever existed on God's good earth. It's too late, now. Too many people think it's the government's responsibility to take care of them while they enjoy their "bread and circuses." As a nation, we have shown ourselves unworthy of the sacrifices of all those who fought, and died, to give and preserve that most precious gift of freedom. We have become as soft as the Romans, and will share the same fate.

I will shed no tears for myself, but I weep for my country ... and my children.

236 44 million people agreed with us. 3.5 million more with Obama.
Wanna a bet in 6 months those 3.5 million will want a mulligan? With the media and a 3 to 1 spending advantage and the economic meltdown only 3.5 million. We will come back. Immigration reform will raise it's ugly head with Barrack and McCain leading the way. Watch the pendulum swing.

237 If McCain can win Montana, he'll hold Obama to 364 electoral votes. Lets hope and pray.

238 >>>BTW, MORONS, DAILYKOS AND ALL THE OTHER LEFTY FUCKERS ARE GIVING YOU KUDOS ON TURNING ON MCCAIN. You are their new heroes.

>>>Congratulations!

Huh?

What's the point, dude?  Is he running for some office I'm unaware of?  He's going to announce his retirement in the next several weeks.

What the hell?  I'm supposed to keep on supporting a failed candidate who personally did his level-best to lose this election as he's about to retire?

Why?

239 not someone whose only experience with guns is from a few rounds of Counterstrike.

I got more hardware on hand than some smaller police forces, a CCW, tac training, and I'm a LEAA and NRA life member.

You are?

240 Who the hell else are we to turn on? McCain fought an "honorable" fight?

What the hell is that going to mean to my business?

He lost us the big prise with his "honor"

ASSHATT

I've got one for him....I would really like to sit down in my bar and ask him why he didn't take the fucking gloves off earlier.

ASSHAT!! That's all.

241

I won't blame McCain or Palin. The stars were aligned this time around, just not in the way many of us wanted. Early on I felt we were in for a repeat of the 1976 type scenario. I remember many an AoS thread where I got cursed for saying so.

It's done. McCain/Palin bashing is a fruitless exercise. It will yield us nothing.

You wanna bash something? How about Republicans who spend our tax dollars like crackwhores. A President who signed McCain/Feingold and nominated Harriet Miers to SCOTUS. Compassionate conservatism and 'the new tone' that didn't get us jack shit. A $700BILLION dollar bailout down the fucken tubes.  A brief GOP Senate majority that STILL got rolled like bitches by the opposition time after time.

Politicians in general, whose main mission in life seems to be re-election.

You know what 435 House members will do tomorrow? Launch their '10 reelection efforts.

We need a whole new crop of people.

242

Hello again Chickenhawks,

You really don't get it, do you?  It's the neocon movement that is dead.  Charlie Crist will be the new face of your party, so deal with it.

243 The democrats and blackS voted for a doughy white man OVER of a proven competent black man. [Steele]

244 Geez Jack, was that your last straw or something?

245

Although I really admire McCain as a man, I agree with Ace regarding his lack of a consistent ideology.  The funny thing is that McCain’s persona/biography/record are what initially drew me to him (e.g., bravely going against the grain, willing to cross party lines, putting country before party, etc.).  He is the reason I was even open to the notion of crossing party lines and voting Republican for the first time in my life.  But as the election went on, I became less enthusiastic about him due to his aforementioned lack of a consistent ideology.  In particular, it killed me that McCain couldn’t find a good fiscal conservative argument to use against Obama.  Particularly since I think it’s an absolute travesty that Obama and the left wing of the Dem party is successfully selling to the American people populist claptrap/ warmed over LBJ style liberalism – something that has failed every single time it’s been implemented.   So anyway, I agree that the next Republican nominee needs to be more than a personality.  He/she needs to have consistent ideals that go beyond patriotism (McCain’s one consistent ideal.)  (Interestingly, lack of consistent ideas/ideals hasn’t been an impediment for Obama.  I think if you polled 20 Obama voters you’d get 20 different answers about what he stands for.)

However, I think it’s a huge trap to simply blame this loss on McCain.  In my opinion, the Republican Party has a few larger issues, 1) A huge image problem (e.g., too many American people associate it with greed, selfishness, racism, xenophobia, etc.) 2) Few if any conservative leaders can articulately and logically argue the superiority of fiscal conservatism over fiscal liberalism and explain to average people why it's in their best economic interest (e.g., think Gingrich and Reagan) and 3) An increasingly doctrinaire and vengeful base that automatically rejects any deviation from 80s Reaganism as heresy instead of logically considering what makes the most sense in 2008.  Regarding point 3, I just think it's important to consider all policies in the context of today: Global economy, Baby Boomers rapidly approaching retirement age, absurdly high medical costs that are putting the pinch on middle class voters (a good conservative think tank MUST be on this issue - it's far more important than health insurance), a growing Hispanic population (many already alieniated from the Republican Party due to the tone of the immigration reform debate), younger generations increasingly indoctrinated by liberal propaganda and political correctness,  increasingly biased media (this year at least), etc.  I'm not saying give up conservative ideas.  I'm saying try to place them in the current context.  In addition, do not automatically vilify someone as a RINO if they deviate from the Reagan doctrine.  (For example, I actually think McCain was RIGHT to oppose the tax cuts during wartime since they weren't offset by spending cuts.  I didn't agree with his contention that the cuts disproportionately helped the rich, but I did agree that it was a terrible idea to cut them while war time spending was on the up.)   

246 OK, I held my nose and voted for McCain. We've had a systemic problem with Republicanism for several years. The Republican party has demonstrated in the last two elections that it is broken. After the 2006 loss there was not enough done to fix the party. Why didn't the party leadership take a delivery from the clue train?

I'm not thinking we should kick anyone out of the party, but we've got to be smarter about who we're listening to. Ronald Reagan is dead. We need someone else who can speak articulately to small businessmen and libertarians and values voters without embarrassing the country-club set.

I think that we've seen country-club presidential candidates in both Bushes, Dole, and McCain. The civil war within the Republican Party is about to start. Mitt Romney strikes me as yet another country-club candidate. The bizarre whispers that Sarah Palin was a drag on the campaign or that she had "gone rogue" appear to have come from Romney stringers.

It is my earnest hope that Sarah Palin will emerge as the next leader of the Republican party. If not her, I'll look to another neo-Reagan like Bobby Jindal. I have a hard time believing that yet another country-club Republican can unite the party and assemble a winning coalition to reboot the Republican party.

I expect to see a lot more class-warfare in the next four years. Ronald Reagan effectively fought class-warfare because the guy from Dixon, IL positioned himself as the alternative to Rockefeller Republicanism. We'll need someone who isn't old money or married to it to lead us out of this Babylonian captivity. I don't think that person is Mitt Romney

247 220 BTW, MORONS, DAILYKOS AND ALL THE OTHER LEFTY FUCKERS ARE GIVING YOU KUDOS ON TURNING ON MCCAIN. You are their new heroes.

Congratulations!

Posted by: incognito at November 05, 2008 01:34 AM (Rpam5)

Eh fuckoff, not my fault, I voted for McShamnesty.
McCain was never my pick.  I "held my nose" as his own mother said we would have to because he wasn't an out and out Marxist and voted for him when there was no other choice left.  Thanks to Rinos that look somewhat similar to you.
He was old and tired and left of center with no message other than not being the Marxist.

I wonder, what would a conservative be able to do if anything as a democrat?  I've heard they exist but no examples in the last century immediately come to mind.

248 Well.  If it is true that Sen. McCain really is only a personality man, then why would have it been a good thing that he won the election ...

He would have a Carteresque term (Carter's personality flaw) and we'd have a Democratic sweep in 2012 facing a nuclear, instead of a pre-nuclear, Iran.

One way to go forward: ballot initiatives!!!
- remove all racial & sex related preferential hiring
- elimination of farming subsidies
- elimination of taxes on savings accounts
- elimination of state income taxes
- elimination of same day voter registration

I can think of a few more, but that should keep me busy for quite some time.

I have to go forward with my feet here on the ground, even if some of you younger folks don't.

 I'm too old for somebody to risk the money to have me help colonize Mars  & I'm too poor to afford my rocket ship.

249 I'll tell you what - I'm fixin' to get my conservative moonbat on with all the lefties I've had to deal with over the last eight years.  Shoe's on the other foot, bitches.  And now Daddy's gonna dance.

250 One thing McCain did in the senate was to try and help the Mexicans and they gave him a big fuck you sandwich. What the fuck is up with those people?

251 I am sorry for any asshole who says an ass-holery thing about Sarah.

By saying so, you demonstrate you do not understand where our leadership is coming.

Yes, Jindal too.  Those two right now are essential to keeping the idea of freedom and liberty alive, among humanity.

252 230 YRM
Please remember the mess W has left Barak Obama.

ps WHERE IS OSAMA BIN LADIN? I thought W was a badass? Is 7 years enough time to catch this guy? I mean he only killed 3K americans? Oh yeah, W is a chickenshit draft dodger. But he does look good pretending to be Tom Cruise!

Ha ha!   Where is Osama?  Fuck I would check your Presidents neighborhood first.  I hear terrorists enjoy living there.

253 Jones...YOUR ROCK

254 >>>You need to chill on your Romney shit and accept that McCain was a shitty candidate and Palin wasn't a great VP pick regardless of any other factors.

Dude, I need to accept that McCain was a shitty candidate?  What?

I fucking feuded with his bloggers, man.  I told them how shitty he was three times a week.

Whether ROMNEY himself trashed Palin, his aides definitely did.  And now I see the Romney supporters continuing that here.

You have to accept the reality that Romney's problem is anti-Mormon bigotry and stop sniping at all you see standing in his way.

255 Damn the way this works

Jones...You Rock!

256 Too bad you clowns didn't nominate Romney! Oh, Barak would have been soooooooo fucked.

LOL!

EAT IT, DIPSHITS!

257 Shit...Isreal is totally fucked!!!!

Big time. It's crazy. And I bet, bet, bet, that LA Times video ultimately surfaces.

258 Hey, Kos Kid, just got off the horn with your broker...bad news about your trust fund.  Good news, is with Barry and Hair Plugs...ugh, yeah, you owe some taxes.  I wouldn't sweat it, makes you more Patriotic, right?

259 Thanks for giving me another chance, Amerika!

260 And the project to divulge every negative thing about the media soviet propagandists is essential to keeping freedom alive.

261 Concerns that we need to consider
Iraqi people being abandoned to die
Iran with nukes
Israel on their own
Russia reconquering
Judges
Taxes
Time to get some sleep and figure a way to help.  Enough bitching

262 I wonder what someone running on an Immigration-enforcement platform could have made of that fact that his opponent antie is an illegal-alien?

263 KUDOS ON TURNING ON MCCAIN

Not hard to do when you're basically against Obama.  I voted against Obama, not for McCain.  

ABC is saying republican turnout was the lowest in over 20 years.  Apparently Mav couldn't seal the deal with the base and they just watched I Love Lucy reruns instead.

264 Let me start off by saying G.W. Bush is my favorite American president! Without him Obama would not be our newest president. For the first time in my adult life I'm truly proud of my country.... God Bless America!!

265 >>>Hello again Chickenhawks,

Kos Kid,

I take it you've signed up for Barack's three extra brigades in Afghanistan, then?

266 McCain is like a potential Miss Congeniality who suddenly becomes Miss World because the crooked judges (the MSM) fix it. Or something like that.

If anyone wants to know what should have been done, see this post from 10 days ago. Then, compare it to the things that some people did during those next 10 days.

267 Do you think Palin is really finished?

268

I'll tell you what - I'm fixin' to get my conservative moonbat on with all the lefties I've had to deal with over the last eight years.  Shoe's on the other foot, bitches.  And now Daddy's gonna dance.

Yup, they are going to have to take responsibitity now. They don't know how to act with it and we know how to hammer them for their lack of it.

269 I'm sorry, I can't help but conclude that the fault is in our people; not in McCain.  I wanted Romney, but I don't think he would have done any better.  I refuse to believe that all of my fears about President-elect Obama are just a demonization of the "opposing team."  I just think people have become too dumb; too amoral; too immoral?  McCain was a compromise, but Obama is a lot worse than that.

Maybe it's time to take up knitting.  Or get religious.  Or both.  I fear for the security of our nation.  I fear for Israel.  I fear for the US the children I hope to have will have.

270 Ace...Good to see you are still reading this garage.

2010 right around the corner...

Good night. Gotta get a Beam. Thanks for the place to vent man.

Oh....My perfect ticket? Didn't see it this year. Palin should have been in the wings for 2012. But....hind site is 20/20.

271

As for McCain, Good riddance, I can go back to despising him as I have consistently for the past decade or so.

 

He was an absolute TERRIBLE choice for President. We had Huck, we Had Fred (my Fave) we had Romney (my second choice) and we had Giuliani- all of who I think would have fared better than the assured loser we sent up-

 

He was too damn old.

His stump speeches would make the dead reanimate, and kill themselves all over again.

On Policy, he was even worse:

 

He took an easy #@$#%@ winning issue off the table- Immigration.  EASY WIN. Particularly in these times. But, no. McCain and Obama might of well have linked to the same damn web page fo immigration policy. We still got beat by 90 to 10 in the I-Am-Illegal-but -I-voted-anyway-and the -nice democratic -pollworker-gave-me-cash-to-come-back -later-and -vote-again demographic.

We always seem to lose that one, as well as the dead vote. I fail to understand why dead people are so friggin' Liberal.

He never did agree to Drilling in Anwr, although Palin offset that a bit.

 

WHAT THE HELL with the stupid "We need to buy up everybody's mortgages" crap in the debates? THEN you want to turn around and call Obama "Socialist"? As opposed to what and who?

Thanks to his asinine McCain Feingold, we lost are fund raising advantage- and Dem favoring 527s got all the bucks -from Soros and a bunch of really dimwitted actors and crap. I really thought this race was over the day he announced he was taking public financing. WTF??? the Party of self sufficiency, and he is going to take public financing????

 

He prances around the country talking about how tough he is on all the wasteful spending, and he VOTES FOR A BAILOUT THAT HAD $150 BILLION in CRAP added on. I am amazed it was this close.

 

For the record, I DID vote for him, but mostly because I saw the value in putting A real Conservative a heartbeat away in Palin. If he Hadn't picked her, I was third party or leaving that part of the ticket blank.

 

Now we are screwed.

The Reason we will have ALL of the lower courts stacked against us now? Thanks John! His stupid self aggrandizing gang of 14. Someone hit him for me.

 

The Reason we got hosed on fundraising? McCain Feingold. Nothing like telling them they do not have to record who gives anything less than a couple hundred bucks.  Kind of makes limits a bit pointless, eh? Again, Thanks John!

So now we are stuck. All hail the Nanny state! Enjoy the decline from being a superpower- enjoy the bloodshed around the world as we falter.

 Crying shame History will not remember the pathetic pile of Crap named McCain who was instrumental in the decline of America.

I am still at a loss why we nominated this idiot? Anyone want to come clean?

 

 

 

272 PALIN - JINDAL 2012!

Please!

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

btw Alaska still hasn't closed their polls. there's still a chance!

273 The worst of Mccain's defeatist campaign is the long term damage done to Sarah Palin. If he dint want to win, he shouldn't have user her and 4 years on, she would have been on heck of a candidate on her own. She would have been introduced to America afresh and we could have had a Reagan like statesman, who now might have been nipped in the bud. Fuck Mccain. All he cares is his damn honor. Let the country and the free world go to dogs.

274 WHERE IS OSAMA BIN LADIN?

Spotted in Philadelphia casting a vote for Obama.

275

I would love to read a good analysis of his campaign that might explain exactly what he was doing. 

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 05, 2008 01:00 AM (fnoZ9)

If it's still up, you should read Matt Bai's article in the NYT magazine about McCain's campaign.  It confirms everything in this post.  Even after McCain won the GOP nomination, his top campaign guys were sitting around in JUNE trying to answer the question "why should John McCain be President?" The "Country First" theme was the only one they could think of.  But it came so late in the game that they had no time to flesh it out or build a narrative around it, or make any kind of coherent contrast of it with Obama.  So they defaulted with tactics.  The story about how they decided to suspend the campaign after the Wall Street meltdown is just awful. 

They didn't even go back to McCain's life story after the convention.  I've seen polls and anecdotal evidence that a very large number of voters didn't even know he is a war hero.

 

276 Romney is exactly the asshole we do not need.  Pampered, New England noblesse oblige, an extraodinary narcisscist, clueless about anything except himself.

We need Sarah and Bobby, real people.

277 138: Considered it, but I can't live without the Military Channel and it's in a teir that I have to pay big $$$$$$$ for. Fuken Charter Cable, I want a Change, I only want to pay for the Channels I watch. No more MTV no more E no more CNN.........

278

Honestly, I was never for McCain. Never liked him. The way he sucked up to the media and was a thorn in Bush's flesh. I never forgave him for that. But then on that Friday morning when he pick that great gal from Alaska. And I heard her speak it was like WOW. something happened. I was fired up like the rest  of the base.....All was going well till he put the gag order on her. One sunday about 3 weeks ago I was watching one of her rallys. You could tell she was not the same. She was holding back... No more Ayers stuff. I got so mad i went and got my boxcutter,went out to the back of my van , and I slashed the McCain part off my bumper sticker.. Just left Palen on there...

 

With out Palen, McCain was dead on arrival..........

279 "The next two years are a time to build a political machine that outspends and outorganizes our foes."

This won't be turned around in two years...we have to take care of the MSM first and then start taking back our culture from the Left.. If we don't start addressing the way our culture is being manipulated by the MSM, Hollywood
and our "educators" then each election will get harder and harder to fight. Bush let the MSM have things their own way for 4 years until most Americans started believing that  War-for-Oil shit. We can't let that go on, we can't keep letting our kids be taught that the US is evil. That's what happened in Europe..and now the kids there have no pride in their countries, think Israel is the bad guy and that muslims are less scary than Christians. Our kids and culture are being stolen from us....how else could a Marxist, terrorist loving,
nobody end up being voted for by 60 MILLION AMERICANS ?? A political machine that has to fight the MSM, the education system and an anti-American culture will find it increasingly hard to win an election.

280 Coleman up on Frankenstein by 30,000 votes with 67% reporting.

281 There is no mandate since McCain got 48% of the vote, and at least 80 electoral votes were won by extremely close margins, FL, VA, IN, MO, NC and even OH were won by an average of 2 pts.

282

 >>>Hello again Chickenhawks

Right, Joe Biden got his fifth deferment the year I joined the Marines and Borack Hussein Obama is such a model fucking warrior.

283 They don't know how to act with it

Indeed.  Pelosi's 100 hours were pretty underwhelming.  The public will notice the gas tax hikes they have planned though. 

Remember Obie saying he thought $4/gal was about right?  They'll make sure that happens again.

284 I'm sure someone's already said it, but I want to say it too. I hope this means we can start a new party of CONSERVATIVES. The REAL party of Reagan. Fuck the Republicans and their RINOs. I'm done with them. They've done nothing for their base. And they can't run a campaign to save their lives. We'll play dirty like the libs do. Racism is dead. After all, we just elected a black president.

Palin/Jindal 2012!

285 "You have to accept the reality that Romney's problem is anti-Mormon bigotry and stop sniping at all you see standing in his way." Ace

I am not convinced of this. His ever evolving philosophy and general slickness worked against him although my wife and I were settled on him. I think Palin is a threat because she is genuine. I am tired of guessing whether a candidate is just parroting the ideas that polled well.

286 Hello again Chickenhawks,

You ready to sign up, arm up for citizen brigade? Drafts a commin" tinkerbell, hope you know it. HOPE you got that part of the memo.

287 Romney's problem is anti-Mormon bigotry

That was about half of it.

But don't underestimate his being a Captain Planet-lookin' douche, and a "New England Republican," of which there are, uncoincidentally, no more.

288 Yes, Sarah and Bobby!

Ace, please promote these two for 2012. I will love to see them cornholed like McCain.

Great job W! Well done, Rove!

ps What happened to Fred Thompson?

tee hee!

289

Whether ROMNEY himself trashed Palin, his aides definitely did.  And now I see the Romney supporters continuing that here.

Romney didn't have any fucking aides after the primary.  They worked for McCain.  They were on his payroll.  They were McCain aides.

How hard is this to understand? 

Nobody had ever even heard of Palin before the primary but all of a sudden this woman was going to swoop down from nowhere and save the election?  Please.

I said from day 1 she was going to be savaged by the media just as every candidate in the primaries was.  She was.  Her approvals fell through the floor.  It had nothing to do with aides who may or may not have worked for Romney in the primary and who may or may not have said anything to anyone.

She bombed on the national stage.  The only people she appealed to was the hard core base, the people who would have voted for Khan over Obama. 

And still, just as you did in the primary, you blame Romney. 

Yea, thats old.

290 We just let Oprah Winfrey pick our president.

291 Eh, I'd say McCain did better than I would have ever expected.  I mean, he got this moron to vote for him a mere 9-months after saying I would NEVER vote for him in a general election.

Of course, he has Sarah and Barry to thank for that.

292

Hey, Kid, as Gunny Highway would say "Shut your face, Hippy!"

 

293
Yeah that's the ticket. Let's pick up right where we left off during the primaries and spend all our time trashing the field of future Republican candidates.

294 Dunno about you folks, but tomorrow I'm calling the RNC and telling them that I'm leaving the party ASAP.  I'll join the Libertarians or Constitution Party and will rejoin the Republicans if and when they drop the RINO shit.

295 277 138: Considered it, but I can't live without the Military Channel and it's in a teir that I have to pay big $$$$$$$ for. Fuken Charter Cable, I want a Change, I only want to pay for the Channels I watch. No more MTV no more E no more CNN.........

Posted by: mydemonsdriveon at November 05, 2008 01:45 AM (ahrXH)

I ditched cable years ago.  I steal any show I want from the net and watch through htpc.  Like I said I have been doing this for over two years now and will never go back.

296 277
Can I get an afuckingmen.

Why the FUCK do I need 16 shopping channels, 29 religious channels, 48 BETs, 736 Entertainment Bullshit/MTV trash channels, etc.

TV sucks balls, and it sucks you have to go to the next highest tier (I did, too) to get a few decent channels.

297 Well said, Ace. I think that sums up how most of us have felt quite nicely. McCain was always the no choice-choice for us morons since he gained the nomination.

298

Never was a fan of Palin, not very bright. Yeah I said it. She was a drag on a campaign that already lacked focus and a message. The RNC is going to strip that $150,000 wardrobe off her back and send her packing to Alaska.

If she does not get re-elected as governor, it is all over for Palin. No, on second thought forget that, it is over for Palin NOW. Being the also ran on a losing ticket but a losing ticket of 338 EVs is the kiss of death to most political careers. And Palin is no Nixon.

299 So who is this John Galt I keep hearing about?

300 I wonder how the remainder of Palin's term will go.  My guess is that the MSM will have some sudden, inexplicable interest in the internal affairs of Alaska, an area that - until recently - many didn't even know was an actual state.

301 I have to say, I will seriously think about beating out of this country if Obama does make sure on his promise of a Hitler Youth Brigade.

My son has always wanted to enlist in the armed forces when he's OF AGE, but if Obama even goes where he's said he's going with the civilian and youth "services", I'm ought of here.

302 Actually, I can't believe that some pimply faced kid is calling me a Chickenhawk, hell, I got more time waiting for my 'chute to open than he's been on the earth.

303 "The worst of Mccain's defeatist campaign is the long term damage done to Sarah Palin."

Uh, no.

(1) The GOP doesn't nominate people new to the national stage.  Last nominees:  2 old-time senators who'd run before, the son of a President, the VP, the down-to-the-wire runner-up in the previous primaries, etc. etc.
(2) The shitstorm would have hit her no matter how she appeared, that first time, because she's such a threat otherwise.
(3) She's not particularly damaged.

304 Romney-Crist 2012!

That could get the anti-h0m0 and closeted h0mo vote!

BRILLIANT! You guys owe me for coming up with that one.

ps How my a$$ taste! HAHAHAHAHAHAHa!

305 Anyone who didn't see that Governor Palin was the only thing going for the McCain campaign is a completely out of touch dunce. Please, people think before commenting.


p.s. Imagine what she was encouraged not to say.

306 Peter Moore at #218 is right.  This battle was lost in the educational institutions of America.  Our universities are the enemy and the breeding grounds  of socialism and fascism. In their self righteousness they truly believe they represent a greater good. I urge all of you to fight this monster, deny it funding, attack its base, send your children to other, carefully selected institutions. The football team at dear old state U alma mater may tug at your emotions but the English , Sociology, and Feminine Studies Department are slowly undermining and destroying our society. And the administrations lack any moral spine to curtail this decay.  They only seek the $$ required to construct little intellectual napoleonic empires.  When "YourU" Development Fund calls, tell them to get stuffed! It can be extremely satisfying.

307 Governor Plain saved McCain and got him to 47%
dont hate.

308 Palin is the future of the REAL conservative Republicans....she isnt a rino poser

309

I agree about the poorly run campaign, and based on our local races, I think it was GOP-wide.  Our Congressional District went to the Chairman of our Board of Supervisors, who is leaving our county with huge budget deficits and and a string of corruption charges steaming in his wake.  His challenger's campaign was WEAK.

OMG---did Ralph Nader really just say that Obama can either be an Uncle Sam or an Uncle Tom?  And then refuse to back down when Shep called him on it?  I didn't know he had nads like that.  And I think Shep overreacted.  All Nader was saying was that Obama couldn't now sell out and maintain any credibility. 

Wait, did I just side with Ralph Nader?

310 EK: Is it now Body Odor's responsibility to capture Bin Ladin, or will Body Odor simply make an appointment for the two of them to discuss their differences (if any) and with no preconditions?

311 I will not throw John McCain and Sarah Plain under the bus because we lost!

Keep your eyes on Barry and Joe!

-cs™

312 MikeD,

Right on the money.

313
First, it didn't help that Bush 43 never defended himself. He let the media turn himself into the cause of every problem whether, real, imagined or constructed out of whole cloth by the MSM. He let the GOP brand get covered by taint.

But McCain was an idiot who focused on cleaning off that taint. Instead of attacking Obama over Wright, all McCain wanted to do was portray himself as a clean and honorable candidate. If anything was his schwerpunkt, it was that. Which explains why he threw any aggressive campaign aids under the bus and ran against wall street instead of the Democrats on the economy. One thing that really pissed me off about McCain is that he thought voters were too stupid to understand the underpinnings of the financial meltdown. It would've been easy to explain it to the electorate, but that would've been portrayed as negative campaigning. Also, perhaps he was worried the press would've stuck up for the Democrats, forcing him to bitch slap his old buddies in the press -- something he couldn't bring himself to do.

So I do think McCain had a simple goal. But it was the worst one he could've chosen.

314

280 Coleman up on Frankenstein by 30,000 votes with 67% reporting.

Yeah be thankful for small mercies. It's looking like Coleman has a decent chance to survive. And in my district we had a retireing Repub and an open seat and it stayed repub.

315 DC insiders were talking about Palin for a year.  Palin was immediately hit by the press like Quayle was.  McCain didn't defend her initially.  They let her turn into the person who Obama actually was (inexperienced).  I don't blame her.

McCain, you fuckers, was the problem.  Just like Bush, who was too born again, to fight back, McCain was too "classy" to, how did he promise, "to fight for us."

We nominated an unreliable RINO.  We also have a shithead president who had 8 years to crack down on orgs like ACORN.  He also could have actually used the bully pulpit to promote and defend his ideas.

It's time for recriminations.  I still believe in what I believe.  I think it's time to find politicians (cough cough, romney/jindal 12) who do the same.  AND who also have the capability to explain their thought processes.

316 "trashing the field"

Heh!  Funny from the guy who started this by bashing the presumptive nominee.

317 allheavens

Utter tripe. Your pronouncements have the effect of a"fart in my general direction." Articulate rather than "she's not very bright" please. That was the common refrain against Reagan.

318 Wonder if Bush is going to unveil irrefutable evidence of Bin Laden's corpse tomorrow, just so he didn't make it look like a political stunt. 

319 Get off McCain's ass ya bunch of fuckin stupid fucktards... Barry O won this election by outspending us... something that wont happen again

320 "ps How my a$$ taste! HAHAHAHAHAHAHa!" EK

Careful, lickle boy....momma's coming up the stairs and she won't be happy to
see that her baby is typing naughty words just to act  all grown up.

321

Ace- wow I wasn't aware you had a choice of which theater you can serve in?  That's interesting news, Mr. Military Expert.  Had you not been stuffing cheeseburgers in your mouth when you were of age to enlist maybe someone could have told you that you go where the military tells you to go.

I'm gonna "stand up, hook up, shuffle to the door" and leave you wingnuts to implode amongst yourselves.

322 313.  Yes

I have been harping for 2 years that being embarrassed about Bush 43 was a HUGE strategic mistake.  W did a very good job. 

But those two idiots acted embarassed about bush AND they let Obama put the recent financial crisis solely on the republican party. 

Good job.  If McCain couldn't fight for us.  Then what good was he.

323 And like others here, I wonder if the PUMAs punked us as well.

324 Eh, I'd say McCain did better than I would have ever expected.

Yeah, cannot argue with that. It was always an uphill fight from day one, and with the economic crisis (and there is one), that pretty much negated his chances.

My dad said something yesterday - he voted for Obama: all of his candidates for the last thirty years of his life lost. Maybe he doesn't know how to pick 'em, but this is a long term fight. That's fine.

I don't think Obama will be Carter, I believe he will be Andrew Jackson (without the balls); and will do some amazingly destructive things to the economy, but we will recover, in time.

325 What did they just say about Jindal heading to Iowa this month?

326 299 So who is this John Galt I keep hearing about?

Pick up a copy of Atlas Shrugged

 

327 298

Never was a fan of Palin, not very bright. Yeah I said it.

Posted by: allheavens at November 05, 2008 01:50 AM (mRLcU)

I call astroturf on your shit, asshole.  She's more eloquent that Plugs and Uh-uh-uh-bama.

Unfortunately, I think she of her own volition will return to Alaska and remain there, her priority being her family, having been essentially drafted by McShamnesty.  If she does come back to us, she will be weighed again and I say she has a bloody good chance so long as she doesn't carry too much old Rino dirt on her ex VP run.

328 Palin will have a TV show. By 2012, it'll be clear to everyone that she's far from dumb, no matter what the MSM says. That trick is only going to work once.

329

 I'm sure someone's already said it, but I want to say it too. I hope this means we can start a new party of CONSERVATIVES. The REAL party of Reagan. Fuck the Republicans and their RINOs. I'm done with them. They've done nothing for their base. And they can't run a campaign to save their lives. We'll play dirty like the libs do. Racism is dead. After all, we just elected a black president.

Palin/Jindal 2012!

AMEN!

Peter Moore at #218 is right.  This battle was lost in the educational institutions of America.  Our universities are the enemy and the breeding grounds  of socialism and fascism. In their self righteousness they truly believe they represent a greater good. I urge all of you to fight this monster, deny it funding, attack its base, send your children to other, carefully selected institutions. The football team at dear old state U alma mater may tug at your emotions but the English , Sociology, and Feminine Studies Department are slowly undermining and destroying our society. And the administrations lack any moral spine to curtail this decay.  They only seek the $$ required to construct little intellectual napoleonic empires.  When "YourU" Development Fund calls, tell them to get stuffed! It can be extremely satisfying

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

 

330

So who is this John Galt I keep hearing about?

A big Obama donor. At least, recently.

331 Public financing's done.  Good for our side.  Now we need to identify good conservative governors for the next go 'round.

332 306 "Peter Moore at #218 is right. This battle was lost in the educational institutions of America."

My wife and I just watched Expelled with Ben Stein. Truly scary.

333 This fits right into our plans. These fuckers are so stupid. We smart conservatives are alligning ourselves with B.O.'s brownshirts and setting up a Bolshevik, brownshirt apocolypse.

Muuuuuhahahayhahahaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!. We planned this shit faggots, and when your ass is gettin' shipped offf to the north pole or gettin' a bullet in your mug, us conservtatives will give you a wink, right before sending you to your demise you fuckin', Bolshevik+Nazi. You guys have been had.

Look up "The Domination", you fucks just got fucked.

 Bwwaaaahahahahahahahaahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

334

I'm sure someone's already said it, but I want to say it too. I hope this means we can start a new party of CONSERVATIVES. The REAL party of Reagan. Fuck the Republicans and their RINOs. I'm done with them. They've done nothing for their base. And they can't run a campaign to save their lives. We'll play dirty like the libs do. Racism is dead. After all, we just elected a black president.

I'll climb on top of that wagon.

335 Couldn't agree more with Ace's post. It's time conservatives take back the Republican Party and throw the pussy RINOs out on their asses.

336

Obama's endorsement from Al Gore didn't come soon enough.

337 Mike C, McCain was outspent because no conservative wanted to give him money. And I won't give any to another RINO ever.

338 Yes Gov Palin is an awesome human being. I love her. But it doesn't make her a good candidate for president. Through (almost) no fault of her own, her "brand" was ruined by the media. That's it. End of chapter.

In just 2 months she surpassed Hillary Clinton's negatives. She's been Dan Quayled.

339

I did think before I posted and I stand by my post about Palin. She is not the future to the Republican party, REAL conservatives or not.

 

Did she ever utter a coherent sentence that was not scripted? My four-year-old has better command of the English language and his thought processes.

340 Karen, when they illegalize monogamy will you be my second wife, I'll give you the other half of my unemployment check.

341 Romney will be a fucking dem before 4 years are up. He was like McCain, he only moved right when it suited him. Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal and David Pretraus will be our next hope of kicking out the racist, marxist asshole we just elected.

342

And like others here, I wonder if the PUMAs punked us as well.

Hillbuzz has been quiet tonight.

343 The fact that the Axelturfers are still here slagging on Palin tells it all.

Palin scares the fuck out of them.

344

Sarah Palin and those like her are the future of the GOP, we have to change the party leadership, if we don't it's gonna be a long time before we get another majority in Congress.....

Jindal/Palin

or

Palin/Jindal?

345

For my fellow Californians, the state propositions look hopeful

1A - NO

2 - YES  - (I know it's more liberal, but I want farm animals treated humanely)

3 - NO

4 - NO ( that's bad for conservatives

5 - NO

6 - NO

7 - NO

8 - YES ( this one will ruin Andrew Sullivan's night if it passes)

9 - NO

10 - NO

11 - NO

12 - YES

 

346 Bart
"In just 2 months she surpassed Hillary Clinton's negatives. She's been Dan Quayled."

Sir, Dan Quayle was a pussy. Sarah ain't no pussy!

347 Since Obama won, blacks can no longer say the "man" is keeping them down. If he does not live up to his hype he will be like Episode 1 was to all the Star Wars freaks. When they think "I waited how long for this shit?".

Obama has a huge job ahead of him and a huge ego. Like those with huge egos they usually write checks their body can't cash. He already did that during the campaign, the DEMS do not have a filibuster proof congress. He will not be able to do everythign he says he will. He even said we will not be able to solve all the problems as he is trying to soften the sting when he cannot enace all of this "CHANGE" and his "HOPE" begins to fade as the idealism of his campaign becomes tempered by reality.

348 By the way, boys: you'd best be collecting that check from Axelrod if you haven't already. He doesn't need you any more, and I hear he has a real short memory.

If I were you, I'd be concentrating on what you're going to do now that you have your wish. You wanted the big boy chair, you got it. Now everything that goes wrong is gonna be your fault.

349 298

Never was a fan of Palin, not very bright. Yeah I said it.

FUCK YOU, allheavens.

How many huge crowds did YOU draw?

What are YOUR accomplishments?

Just post your bio here, ASSHOLE.  So we can judge.

What state do YOU govern, asshole?

ASSHOLE????

 

 

 

350 Does the EK not realize that it's a few months away from being drafted into the 3rd Hussein Brigade of the Oborg Civilian Force and will spend all its free time cleaning out rat-infested stairwells in Detroit housing projects? Oh, and his supervisor? A black panther with a billy club.

351
@338

Sadly, I have to agree with that assessment.  Between the MSM and McCain's incompetents handling her, she was given a raw deal.

I hope her fellow Alaskans welcome her home in style.

352 JackStraw @233,

I agree with you completely, although there is nothing to "agree" with. You just stated the facts.

353

re:#306 MikeD

Mike, the universites are going to be fully funded indoctrination centers now. Part of the Obaplan is to get every kiddy into them whether he belongs or not. All they have to do is "volunteer" in his brownshirt brigades where their re-education starts, then they qualify for huge taxpayer cash to continue it in college.

Sure, the significance of a degree will fall through the floor but that doesn't matter. Indoctrination does. This is coming, it's too late. America jumped off the cliff tonight.

Obama is going to emulate the Hugo Chavez model and maintain the appearance of everything being "legal." Getting the kids taught properly is an integral part of what Obama plans.

 

 

354

I've now allowed myself all the time I can spare for sadness and despair. It's time to fight. It's time to take back the "Grand Old Party," dust off the detritus of the RINO's, shine our shields, buckle on our breast plates, sharpen our swords, and march off to battle. The clarion call goes forth from here ... from this time and this place ... to all who believe in liberty, to all who believe in the American dream, to all who believe in personal responsibility, and most of all, to all who believe in a culture of life.

I will not give in, I will not give up, I will not back off, and I will not stand down. I will fight. I will fight with everything I have. I know no other way.

The days of compromise are over. We cannot allow even the stray thought that we might be able to find common ground with the Democrat/Liberal party. That is the path of defeat. And I do not intend to lose.

355 Funny from the guy who started this by bashing the presumptive nominee.

Well, if Gov Palin is the best we got...

Like I said, she needs to begin her reelection campaign right now.

356 Headline on the Onion:


"Black Man Given Nation's Worst Job"

357 "Barry O won this election by outspending us... something that wont happen again"

Why not ? The big corporations will put money behind the guys they think are winners, the MSM won't report on 'Bama's crooked financing and a Leftwing Govt ain't about to start regulating it's own spending. Anyway, the "honorable" old man cost us this election.....he would have fought harder on a shuffleboard court than he fought to stop Obama. All that "old boy network" bullshit about Obama being a good man - yeah right ! The old codger refused to attack Wright and still got called a racist by "Bama and his media cock-suckers. McCain is Colonel Blimp....if you don't know who it is then check out the film....it's about an "honourable" old fashioned military man in the 1920s who always plays by Queensbury rules....always admires his enemies and then along comes WW2 and Blimp is asked to organise a war game to train the Brit army. He's sitting there in his club , drinking brandy when this young officer from the other side in the war game bursts into the club with his men and capture the old fart. "What are you doing ? This isn't cricket !" Blimp cries out. "That's right " says the young officer " This is war and we're fighting to save our country and we won't do it by being honorable, we'll do it by winning" 

358 She has 86% approval in state.

She's not gonna lose.

Your boy didn't even run, because he knew he'd get tossed.

359 295: *hunkers down like a beaten dog* My wife likes those channels I mentioned. She hates the computer.

360 339

I did think before I posted and I stand by my post about Palin. She is not the future to the Republican party, REAL conservatives or not.

 

Did she ever utter a coherent sentence that was not scripted? My four-year-old has better command of the English language and his thought processes.

Yeah, Alldipshit, that's how she got elected a state governor.  Everything was all scripted out for her.  By someone, certainly not the entrenched bigwigs she beat.

Aside from your four year old "mistake", what have you ever created?

 

361 I love Palin for what she stands for and the enthusiasm she generates, but I seriously doubt she can handle the job.  We don't need another dumbass or perceived dumbass like W in the White House.

362 Tune into Rush tomorrow for more of the same analysis. After Fordism and Bob Dolism, we must ensure this RINO groupthink never happens again.

One thing to be sure of:

McCain will sabotage any efforts to stop Obama's liberal agenda with more gangs and compromises.

363 This is the first time this country elected a president/vice president who have never served in the military since Herbert Hoover. Not only that but Joe Biden is a fucking Jody! Putin must be having his coffee this morning looking over the map of the US smiling.

364

She has 86% approval in state.

Not anymore she doesn't.  Not even in a Republican state of less than a million people spread out over a state larger than Texas.

She has great principles.  When can we start judging her as a politician just like any other candidate?  I'm pretty sure the rest of the world already has.

365 No. Not Romney.

Not Fred, not Mike, not Rudy, maybe not even Sarah.

Somebody with a plan. A short, sweet, irresistibly bold plan.

- Abolish the income tax
- Implement a single consumption tax
- Mandate a 10% federal spending cut every year for 4 years
- Secure the borders
- Strengthen the military
- Unburden small business

Hell, choose any four of those - I don't care. Is that so much to ask?

366 Pirate, don't you get it yet? Anyone who is a republican will be labeled or perceived as a dumbass. Haven't you been paying attention? Liberals are smart. Conservatives are dumb. Get with the program.

367 361: too late, a new dumbass is about to enter the White House.

And I think Palin could handle the job fine.  By all accounts she's a political natural with a photographic memory.  If she keeps doing impressive political cleanup work in Alaska and engages in a little brand fixup here and there on the Sunday shows she'd be ready for 2012.

368 Putin is looking over the map of Eastern Europe smiling robtr.

369
Here is McCain's problem. Be all things to all people. Fence sitter. Well, there have been words written about fence sitters.

I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. ~Rev. 3:15-16

I don't want to see that man run for anything again because of the pussy that he is. He played nice and the nice guy finished last. The bully is fucking the prom queen right. fucking. now. McCain is jacking off in the stall.

I want to see Romney, Jindal, Palin, Crist, Newt. I want big, swinging balls before us. Stones, even. I want leadership. This pansy-assed reach-across-the-isle bullshit is done. For losers, obviously.

Fuck these fucking liberals. The country just started running toward the cliff, and God help us to keep it from going all the way over.

370

I am thinking a combination of David Petreaus/Sarah Palin 2012. It's obvious Palin scares the panties off astroturfers like Jack Straw and the other wonderful little pricks that have blessed us with their pressance tonight.

371 "No. Not Romney.

Not Fred, not Mike, not Rudy, maybe not even Sarah."

Listen, I'm telling you again.

This is the Republican Party.  It will NEVER nominate a national politics newcomer to be President.

372

Colonel Blimp. (For Peter Moore.)

373 >>>Romney didn't have any fucking aides after the primary.  They worked for McCain.  They were on his payroll.  They were McCain aides.

Dude, they're Romney loyalists.  Don't be deliberately unclever.

I do not myself understand the sort of passion Romney inspires in some -- for me, I liked, not loved him -- but I do see it in a lot of Romneyites. 

You guys are getting the reputation of The Candidate and His Supporters Who Do Not Play Nice With Other Republicans.

I'm advising some chillage, if only tactically.

374 Have gas prices gone up yet.

No more drill baby drill.

Excuse me, I need to check the air in my tires.

375

Palin scares the panties off astroturfers like Jack Straw and the other wonderful little pricks that have blessed us with their pressance tonight.

Yea, I just got here tonight.

Who the fuck are you again?

376 well, they can't do that to Jindal, he's smarter than all of them.  they can call him crazy jesus freak, but that's not gonna fly

377

Palin Jindal 2012

 

Or put Fred in there somewhere.

 

Sarah Palin is 1.refreshing, 2.DEAD on with her views

3Damn near reaganesque in presentation,

4SOLID, I really have little doubt she is going to sell me out down the road on pretty much everything I agree with her on

5. holding up prettuy damn good after the press onslaught she had to face.

 Hell, you would have thought she was the Presidential.. ....wait, that doesn't work- Obama got a pass compared to her-

 

You would have thought she had asked the all holy annointed one a tough question or something!

 

If you can't see that, you are either a press addled fool or an elitist snob, but I repeat myself.

 

 

Don't sweat it, you are in good(if mypoic) company- Will, Noonan, and a few others went stupid over Palin. I see it now:

 

"Damn, It is terrible all those coal miners out of work miners out of work in OH, PA,WV, & IN. Too bad small business cratered over Obama's tax hikes. But seriously, so what a nuke went off in an American city- at least McCain didn't take office with teat Alaskan Governor as a VP- I am SOOOOO MUCH HAPPIER we have an unqualified haven't lead anything Obama at the helm with his Quack sidekick Biden to keep him straight. "

 

Please.

378 The really sad thing about all of this will be McCain going back to his kick-fellow-Republicans-in-the-nuts mode of operation.

Expect him to facilitate BO's initiatives.

379 I do not myself understand the sort of passion Romney inspires in some.

He's got great hair.  And his kids punk'd him.  That's totally awesome.

380 steve, it's not a big distinction, with all due respect.  I cited a where as a schwerpunkt. 

And McCain didn't have a where-schwerpunkt, like "Where does he wish to lead us?"

No worries, Ace. You're right, I see now that you did indeed cite a "where" as a schwerpunkt.

I'm just gabbing. The schwerpunkt concept makes for an interesting topic of discussion, endlessly arguable. Also applicable in many endeavors other than war, as you astutely observed. I like your analogy and basically agree with your analysis. I suppose I was being nit-picky. I'm a military historian and analyst by profession and I can't resist a discussion like this. Unfortunately I'm not having a very good night, even in my supposed area of expertise--I know I don't have to explain why.

381

As to few people asking about the "PUMAs".....they weren't conning you.  They existed.  But the few you've seen we're just passionate activists on websites.  They were never a "movement".  If you looked at the polls, Obama had the Democrats locked up, even more so than McCain had Republicans locked up.  There just weren't that many PUMAs that existed.  So when you read "Hillbuzz" and other sites, you were just believing what you wanted to believe, i.e that there was a big Dem minority out there that was going to vote for McCain.

382 Posted by: Bob at November 05, 2008 02:27 AM (4DoFz)

Yeah, Bob - that was always the caveat we were afraid to recognize as a huge possibility.

Slublog '10.

383 Palin scares me because I'm afraid she'll be turned into another RINO.

384 Take a page out of Newt's playbook.
A new Contract with America.
New party leadership.
Steele
Jindal
for starters

385 Peter Moore's post was excellent. It's the message, how it's massaged, and how often it is delivered. There are institutional biases that will blunt any message from the Right until either a) the institutions are infiltrated by an alternate and competing POV, or b) an especially effective frontman or frontmen can communicate an overarching ideology that grabs people by the shirt collar and wakes them up. The GOP lacked an effective head and the tarnish of middling, same-ol' same-ol' wasn't going to wake up anyone. "Compassionate conservatism" should have been buried long ago and remains a taint that really damaged the GOP brand. Lots of hands over an extended period did that.

So, any chance we actually go conservative now, or is it still du jour to move Left to get the "centrist" vote? That seems to be, um, unproductive. If the nation really is turning socialist European, then we're up shit creek. Maybe we are already, and it would be hard to argue otherwise. But before we concede wholly, maybe burning an effigy of "compassionate conservatism" and actually promoting just conservatism deserves one more try.

As to Palin, she's still a star to me. I hope she returns to Alaska, keeps doing what she has been doing, and tries again ASAP with a retooled, conservative machine to climb the mountain. Palin made me excited about politics again. McCain just pissed me off. Obama/Axelrod just scared me. Still do.

But there's no question that an ideological movement needs to be redefined with new players willing to fight for the Right and who can communicate in spite of the institutional muzzles that constrain conservatives. Palin can do that and probably better now without McCain's political constraints keeping her back. Voices like hers and people like the Palins will be needed in vast numbers to reanimate the Reagan ghosts.

386

Yea, I just got here tonight.

Who the fuck are you again?

robtr jack, the fact that you have been a long term astroturfer doesn't make you Jesus.

387 I agree with some of the posters above, I voted in my first election for Carter in 76: oops. Have never voted for a Democrat again. We'll survive 4 years of Osama.

My one concern though, and what upsets me, is the lack of replacements on the GOP side. McCain's defeat has one bright side--it sends out the old-timers to pasture once and for all. It also makes it DEATH within the party to be a RINO, and that's very much of a good thing.

But where is the cavalry? I hear Palin, Jindal and Steele, I certainly hope there are more options than that which emerge in the coming months.

388 #306.  The teachers union is the most powerful union in the country.  This is why home schooling and the voucher system are so popular.   What is the saying, something about when you are too much of a loser to succeed what do you do?  you teach. 

389 we'll also need to turn off AVS for our campaign donation systems, so big republican donors can donate over the limit.

390 383 Palin scares me because I'm afraid she'll be turned into another RINO.

Posted by: pirate of the perineum at November 05, 2008 02:30 AM (c3QiE)

I'm afraid you're wrong.  She's made it very clear that she's more Conservative small "l" libertarian and that she wants to be on the national stage leading the party, but ONLY if they are clear on the principals and stick to them.

391 386

Yea, I just got here tonight.

Who the fuck are you again?

robtr jack, the fact that you have been a long term astroturfer doesn't make you Jesus.

Posted by: robtr at November 05, 2008 02:33 AM (C6ME0)

Ehh, not sure you noticed rob, but they already won.  I doubt they are still paying people to astroturf.

392 Hey I have an idea.

Let's stop nominating our next president and let's focus on our unambitious do-nothing leaders in the House and Senate.

Our main focus for the next few months should be to put extreme pressure on Boehner and McConnell to advance the Conservative agenda and be ruthless opposition to the Democrats.

393
Ace,

BTW, coincidentally I am currently Jehuda L. Wallach's The Dogma of the Battle of Annihilation: The Theories of Clauswitz and Schlieffen and Their Impact on the German Conduct of Two World War. Fascinating--it might interest you. Lots of discussion on what Clausewitz meant when using the term "schwerpunkt." Lots of controvery, no general consensus. It seems even Clausewitz had different meanings for it, depending on which section of On War you're reading. I'm reading the book as part of my research on a a lengthy piece I'm writing about the fallacies of battle-centric warfare as exemplified, in particular, by Hannibal in the Second Punic War. This is what I do for fun, along with herding sheep with my border collies.

Anyway, I'll drop the subject before I cause the discussion to spin off into another "longbow" tangent.

394 BTW,

Can we agree that despite our skepticism, amazingly, the media polls were actually pretty damn accurate in the end? Sure, I won't argue that there may be some degree of "self-fulfilling prophecy" amongst the half of Americans that are dumbass sheeple, but even so, the numbers are almost dead-on.

Except for PA, WTF happened there? Goddamn PUMAs.

395 Palin has been pre-vetted.

Thoroughly.

396

Dude, they're Romney loyalists.  Don't be deliberately unclever

And don't you be deliberately obtuse. 

You made a living out of slamming McCain during the Amnesty shit.  Does that mean you have been a secret agent out to derail McCain during the general?

 

There comes a point where a rumor becomes a legend and you are doing your damnest to reinforce it.  I woke my ass out of bed at the crack of dark in Boston to vote for McCain.  Romney has worked his ass off for months to elect McCain after he graciously bowed out far earlier than Hillary did. He has spent considerable personal and political capital on McCain.  Even the Mav has lavished him with praise.  Still, any chance you get to take shots at people who supported Romney in the primary you take it with the same "I don't get what people who supported Romney saw so let me shit on them again" line.

You might want to rethink the oh so clever insider bullshit and look at the facts.  Romney has campaigned harder, spent more political capital and raised more money than any other surrogate in this election.  Period.

397

Is there no one to rid us of the odious phrase:

 

"I can reach across the aisle"

 

???

 

Or has History done just that??

 

398

Ehh, not sure you noticed rob, but they already won.  I doubt they are still paying people to astroturf.

Maybe they 2 hours wasn't enough time to get the pink slips out or maybe they are just playing for the next election.

399

We got our asses kicked. It was our own fault. We let those who craved power for power's sake speak for us. (tom delay). We did not cull from our midst the corrupt (jack abramoff and those he corrupted). We let the economic collapse caused be the socialist CRA act be blamed on us. People stopped listening to us becuase we let Ron Emanuel and the liars in his propganda wing of the demo party relentlessly speak against us. A war hero lost to a man whose has 20+ year association with the terrorist william ayers (3 dead policeman, one almost dead supreme court judge and family, several robbed banks). People don't listen to us because they don't trust us. We kept power not through being steadfast to our ideals. We kept power by being a little less liberal than the democrats just to keep power. We lost becuase we deserved to.

Now it is time to get up and get moving. We did not lose by much. Two years from now we will gain alot of those seats back. Four years from now we can regain the whitehouse if we rebuild the peoples faith in the party.

Limited government.
Strong military.
Personal responsibility.

Thank you John Mccain. I was honored to have you as my candidate. I would have been honored to have you as my president.

ps

we should shoot the next person who says the polls are biased against republicans.

 

400 I'd love to see Romney as the Chair of the RNC. Time for a grownup in there. Now what about the RNCC and RNSC?

401

Dunno about you folks, but tomorrow I'm calling the RNC and telling them that I'm leaving the party ASAP.  I'll join the Libertarians or Constitution Party and will rejoin the Republicans if and when they drop the RINO shit.

Awesome.  Concede total defeat.  Give your country away to MoveOn.org.

ABC is saying republican turnout was the lowest in over 20 years

That is fucking pathetic.  McCain and the dreaded RINOs are not to blame for that particular statistic.  The problem is that the Republican Party is chock full of fucking idiots who claim to be conservatives but don’t understand the simple logic that staying home or voting for Barr is effectively the same as giving ½ a vote away to the biggest socialist radical in American presidential history.  (Not to mention signing a death warrant for millions of unborn babies if you’re a Pro-Lifer).  This statistic is especially egregious when you look at the popular vote.  Barry has an electoral landslide but not a popular vote landslide.  There are several states where his win was tiny.  More Republicans could have made all the difference in the world in a few key states.  (If Montana goes to Barry I’m going to go apeshit.  That will be SOLEY due to Republican fucktards “sending the party a message.” )   

While I appreciate Ace’s post and agree wholeheartedly with him that the next Republican presidential candidate needs to have a more articulate conservative vision, the comments on this thread are beyond depressing.  Clearly, the loons at Daily Kos (that are now effectively in charge of our country for at least the next 2 years thankyouverymuch Republicans that stayed home or voted for Barr rather than vote for a RINO), do not own the market on whininess, absence of personal responsibility, and Stalinist vilification of dissenters.  When is this analysis going to turn inward?  When are you guys going to look at yourselves and see what you may or may not have done to help create this loss?

RE: Palin.  She can come back.  But she needs to be able to discuss international issues much more coherently.  Her failure to do that in the MSM interviews and the media’s all out assault on her character are what did her in.  Not the fact that the McCain camp kept her from attacking Barry on Rev. Wright.  That’s idiotic.  Plenty of people already knew about Wright thanks to the Democratic primaries.  Apparently they didn’t care.  It’s almost like 52% of the American people were either brainwashed by Barry’s Messiah act or blinded by Bush Derangement Syndrome.

402 I'm afraid you're wrong.  She's made it very clear that she's more Conservative small "l" libertarian and that she wants to be on the national stage leading the party, but ONLY if they are clear on the principals and stick to them.

She can't lead the party if she doesn't learn how to speak in coherent sentences.  I'm placing all my hopes on Jindal instead.  He actually appears to be able to articulate conservative principles and be able to defend them when challenged.

403 BTW--

The Brownshirts are already talking about offering McCain the SecDef job as a sign of "bipartisanship."

Bullshit. They're offering it so Napolitano can nominate a Dem replacement for McCain in the Senate.

And the fucking RINO old man will probably take the job, "duty to country" and all. You're a fine American, but a shitty politician, Johnny Mac.

404 It almost seems like McCain was trying not to win.

405

Why did we lose? It goes way beyond McCain's defects.

1. Pigs at the trough -

a) Dems - "It (the election) is also .... the triumph of the subsidized over the victimized.....The Democrats may have reached their long-term goal of placing more than half the population in dependency on the party of government." http://www.seablogger.com/

b) Reps - We played that game too when we controlled both houses. And we did so in part because the temptation to spend other peoples' money 'compassionately', combined with the constant pressure from 'special interests', proved to be irresistable (and fatal).

Result - it's very difficult to  build a successful political party based on the premise of NOT doing people 'favors'. The Reps tried and failed dismally, both money-wise and electorally - the worst of both worlds. But for the Dems doing favors is their life's blood, and they can from their point of view get the best of both worlds by doing exactly what for the Reps is a losing stategy.

2. Resentment - Most of the people who post here, and dare I say it, most Republicans, are remarkably free from greed, envy, jealousy, resentment etc. This is in part because we're overwhelmingly white, so don't feel the resentment that blacks do, but it's also in part because it's how we're brought up and how we believe one should be.

The Dems in contrast are full of envy, jealousy, resentment and let's face it greed. And yet they think those vices are virtues, and do everything they can to fan the flames of these destructive emotions. (And it helps explain the amazing number of rich people who are Dems. - rich people are all too often greedy and they are full of resentment)

3. Jewish and gay apartness from straight Christian white people - This is something that is never mentioned, but which I think explains their loyalty to the party that blacks (who feel apart from white people generally) identify with. Without these 3 groups, the Dems would never win a single election. But when they stick together they can often enough beat the group that from their perspective is overwhelmingly composed of people they are apart from.

4. Big Media - their influence is still much greater than it should be. For many people, it's easier (much easier) to go with the line put out by Big Media. It's socially acceptable, and they don't have to fear 'Big Brother' coming after them, since they are toeing the line.

What do we do going forward?  Taking my 4 points is oresr:

1. Try to make the Reps the party of NOT SPENDING, except for national defense and the party of letting people keep what they earn, and of not subsidizing those who don't earn.

2. Don't know, except to try to emphasize the essential goodness of America and the destructiveness of emotions like envy and jealousy.

3. Accept that they feel apart, but try to make it clear that they have no reason to do so given how we behave towards them.

4. Do everything we can to get Big Media to go out of business.

406 Karl Rove said on Fox that "they" had a better voter registration.  Why didn't the republicans do voter registration drives?

407 #394...See most post at #381.  As to the Romney partisans (or Fred!, Giuliani, etc. supporters....I liked Giuliana also actually), I had a post way earlier I"m not going to to look for that essentailly argued that with Bush with a low rating, the economy, the bailout, etc. McCain was the best we could do because he was the "anti-Republican" Republican.  He could've campaigned better, maybe won another state or two, but the GOP was just fated to lose this year.  Being more conservative wouldn't have helped and would probably have hurt.

408 EK -- you know that every fucking penny you've been paid by the O campaign is never going to see your wallet.
And your ass is going to get drafted into the Red Guard.
When that happens, boy, CYA.
Ace will treat you like a fucking hobo.

409 Holy shit! Ted Stevens is winning? I'm sorry, but this is not good news for the Republican Party. We need to get his ass impeached and his replacement named by Sarah.

410

...I think Obama will grow irritated with it in a couple of years when he realizeds he can't simply wave his hands and make serious problems go away.

This has been my experience with every affirmative action leader I've had the displeasure to do business with. He will FAIL and FAIL BIG.

 

411 392 Hey I have an idea.

Let's stop nominating our next president and let's focus on our unambitious do-nothing leaders in the House and Senate.

Our main focus for the next few months should be to put extreme pressure on Boehner and McConnell to advance the Conservative agenda and be ruthless opposition to the Democrats.
    Ding, Ding, Ding - we have a winner, folks!

412

McCain lost for two major reasons. The first and greatest reason was the media. The media was responsible for choosing him in the first place. They wanted a liberal Republican, preferably Rudi, Romney, or McCain. He was always their darling on the Republican side because he liked to cross the aisle and stick his thumb in the eye of the conservatives and all Republicans in general. Those of us with half a brain knew they would turn on him though like the rabid dogs they are.

 

Well with all their “fire in the belly” remarks and “humor” directed at Huckabee they whittled it down to the 3 most liberal candidates, none of who got more than 30% with McCain finally getting the nod.

 

Then, as predicted, they turned on him. I have never seen the media so openly biased. Sure, they have always been in the tank for the Dems but this time it was like they didn’t care that it was obvious. They safely his every embarrassing thing that Obama had and magnified McCain’s faults as well as just making up lies about him and Palin both.

 

The biggest thing they did to cause the loss was blaming the banking crisis on McCain and Republicans in general. After the Palin nomination McCain’s fortunes were rising and Obama was sinking. The media managed to sink McCain by repeating the communist talking points of deregulation and Wall Street greed. I honestly believe that without that McCain would have won.

 

Add to that the fact that McCain refused to fight back on that score, or when he did it was too weakly done and too late.

 

The other major reason he lost was that he NEVER had the support of the party base. Most of his support was lackluster and characterized by “the lesser of two evils” syndrome. The base was sick of George Bush “compassionate socialism” and they could see round II of that coming.

 

It wasn’t until Palin was nominated that the base got any energy at all. That being said, I think there was still a significant portion of the base that stayed home or voted 3^rd party. When the finals come in we will see.

 

We will see a lot of the pundits rationalizing the “defeat of conservatism” and a new era in politics. This is BS of course and exactly what the media would like to promote. The liberal Republicans will want to blame Palin and the Romney crowd has already started that before the campaign was even over.

 

What the Republican Party needs to do is purge all the asshole liberals and they need to change the rules for the primaries so that in order to win, the candidate must have the support of the party, not 30% with half of that being crossover votes.

413 96% of blacks voted for BO.  4% voted for McCain.  Am I the only person who sees this as a sort of reverse racism?  I've never voted for a candidate cause they were white yet, black Americans really did vote for BO cause he was black.  Wonder how they will eventually analyze that one?

414 I know the left blames Bush for every damn thing, but I lay the death of the Republican party at his feet. In 8 years he (and the RINOs) has managed to obliterate the party and what it stood for. I don't know enough about Bush Sr.'s term, but I bet that was the beginning of the end of the party.

And never again will I underestimate the stupidity and gullibility of the American public.

Score one for public education!/sarc

415
Incredulous:

It does seem that way. But the truth of the matter is even more troubling. He was trying to win but he didn't know how to win. Both his strategy and tactics were flawed. As Ace pointed out, he didn't, couldn't, identify the schwerpunkt of his campaign. Another military analogy might be applicable, one pertaining to the operational level of warfare. In some instances he fought and won tactical battles. The choice of Palin, in my opinion, is a case in point. In the days immediately following her selection and triumphal appearance at the GOP convention, McCain's rating surged. He had scored a tactical victory. But he didn't know how to exploit it. In other words, he didn't know how to make the transition from the tactical level of warfare to the operational level, where exploitation takes place. He didn't understand the the politcal applications of the operational art. Which should come as no surprise, given his background as an attack aircraft pilot. Attack aircraft are tactical weapons, and their mission is tactical in nature. His politcal thinking was an extension of his military experience.

416 incredulous: "Wonder how they will eventually analyze that one?"

They'll call you an insensitive racist for bringing it up. It's in the playbook.

417 Jesus fucking christ Ace. One thing that has pissed me off since the beginning is the rightblogs bitching about McCain, he should have done this, he should have done that blah blah blah.

No other Republican would have stood a chance this year. Without the big hit of the financial mess, which was not his fault, he might have pulled it out. Who do YOU propose might have? Your darling Romney? Huckabee? You hate him too.

It's bullshit that McCain was "rudderless" or didn't have a campaign theme or plan. I'm not even going to go into the nuts and bolts of it, but he damn sure had more than "Change and Hope". It's just dishonest and frankly, childish to make these kinds of false statements.

The guy ran a classy, hard-edged and gutsy campaign. The motherfucker is more than 2x my age, and I'm tired after one plane trip. He took at least several a day for 3 years, and never slowed down, never backed down, came back from NO WHERE with his entire staff quitting and no money and damn sure nearly pulled it off.

Can't you even fucking give him a couple hours of props before bitching about HIM? You ask me, you and other half-assed conservatives who either withheld support (Malkin) or gave it grudgingly or voted for him "with nose held shut" instead of getting behind him 100% are part of the problem. He shouldn't have needed Palin to shore up conservatives. If they were truly conservatives, they should have sucked it up. In the end, the Dems got behind Obama 100%. The PUMAs were a myth, or a tiny minority. The left blogs were a monolithic force for Obama, and I believe they moved coverage and influenced the "narrative" for whatever that's worth. The right blogs moved a narrative that McCain wasn't pure enough and could barely stand him.

Who the FUCK do you see leading the party now? Palin? Please. Romney? He'll never win national office, ever. I'm proud of McCain, proud that he led our party, prooud of the job he did in the face of ENORMOUS odds. Jesus Christ, can't you put aside your hurt feelings for one night at least and give the man props?

He's the only decent, honest and forthright politician of national stature I know of in this country right now, barring Bush. He's the most experienced and he's got a claim as having done more for his country than any other. You don't like him on immigration and finance reform and I guess a few other vagaries. Well boo fucking hoo.

To every conservative who withheld 100% support of McCain, this defeat partially lies at your door as well. Every post you made slamming him. Every whining bitching post about some arcane policy difference. I read the left blogs, and once Obama as the nominee, they were like a juggarnaut in their solidarity. In this day and age, and with the odds McCain faced, he needed and deserved our unwavering support.

Who better? And what was the alternative?

Big picture man. Eyes on the fucking prize. Hey Michelle Malkin, hey Rush Limbaugh, hey "conservatives" sending a message, what have you won? What have you proven?

I blame them more than McCain. He gave his all, as he always has. They didn't.

You could at least have the decency to go one night before bitching about the man.

Now go off on me and foam at the mouth. Jesus, you talk about Sullivan being hormonal. You go off like this regularly, and you have all through the election. It's not constructive. It's not helpful. And you can garner some of the blame or credit for President Barack Obama yourself before you start complaining about a man who, in my opinion, gave the full measure of himself in this campaign. I love the guy like a brother

McCain's a  bawcock and a heart of gold,
A lad of life, an imp of fame;
Of parents good, of fist most valiant.
I kiss his dirty shoe, and from heart-string
I love the lovely bully.

I'd have been proud for him to be my president. I respect him more than any other politician extant. We're fucking lucky to have had him, and I thank him for his effort, which was prodigious. I supported him from the start, without reservation, once he was our nominee.

Thank you to John McCain, a conservative, a patriot and a decent man.

418

John Mccain has code of honor and ethics. There were certain things he could not , and would not do as part of this campaign. Regardless of the consesequences.

This is what we have lost as a party. We do not adhere to the principles of our party with the same intensity as John Mccain adheres to his principles.

If there is a way back from this socialist hell hole we have dug for ourselves it will be by following his example.

Stay true to your beliefs and principles. Accept the consequences of your beliefs, and revel in your future vindication.

 

 

419 "It’s almost like 52% of the American people were either brainwashed by Barry’s Messiah act or blinded by Bush Derangement Syndrome."

No,it's like 52% of the American people have been so brainwashed by education, the media and popular culture that they really didn't care that an unrepentant terrorist who killed fellow Americans was a lecturer at an American university ! They didn't care that the next President went to a "church " that preached hatred for America ! They tolerate a media that gives away State secrets to our enemies (can you imagine the American people of 1900/1939/1959  not boycotting the NYT for leaking the anti-terrorist info they published last year ? This country has been so brainwashed that a sizeable minority actually believe 9/11 was an inside job...this kind of shit doesn't happen in a vaccum. The Left has outflanked us in the culture thing, in the media and in the schools. We can plan all we like about turning the Republican Party around but it won't make any difference because our foundations are constantly being eroded by the Left. We left the field of battle to the Left and they have taken full advantage of it. Let's stop the rot in education and culture  now and the politics will take care of themselves.

420

We need to get his ass impeached and his replacement named by Sarah.

I thought it was made clear weeks ago that in Alaska they do not allow the governor to nominate replacements. They will have to hold another election if he gets booted.

421 I wonder if intrade has a line on how long Iraq will be an ally of the United States.

422 kat-mo:

Dead on.

Compromise always means moving to the left.

423 #230 - ps WHERE IS OSAMA BIN LADIN?

I look forward to asking this question every single fucking day after January 20th.

424 #416.  Oh I'm the last person you would ever call a racist.  My friends look like the UN and my best friend from childhood is haitian.  I didn't vote for McCain. I voted against BO because he never got his message across to me and I felt he had too little experience for what may be coming to our country.  I don't believe in big goverment and big spending yet I watched GWB look so unrepublican in this last term I was horrified.  My concern is always to preserve our democratic republic and to uphold the tenets of the Constitution.  I worry that he will stack the Supreme Court with liberal judges while I watched Bush put up no fight about his appointments.  The dems have not approved any of bush's judges.  I think a real test of BO will be how he treats Patrick Fitzgerald.

425 My sympathies go out to the freedom loving people of Iraq, Ukraine and Georgia. The irony of tonights victory may rest in the belief that Black Americans can finally feel liberated; yet their liberator is no champion of liberty. He is a champion of equality. Equality triumphs freedom in his mind. A dictator who espouses equality is more righteous than an elected leader chosen by his people. Those who have fought so valiantly for democracy and freedom in their countries will not longer be able to count on the US as a staunch ally. Now, the UN will take precedent. You will be on your own. May God help you.

426
Do we know yet whether the Dems won a super-majority in Congress?

Impeachment is a bad idea. Setting your sights on impeachment is a bad strategy that will only piss off a lot of people and demonstrate that the GOP isn't serious about governance. People will see it a an effort to avenge their loss and they'll be right. Obama was elected by a majority of Americans (voting fraud nothwithstanding) and efforts to impeach him would constitute an effort to subvert the democractic (with a small d) process. And, anyway, the Reps don't have enough people in Congress to pull it off. The whole issue is a non-starter.

427 .
"Thank you to John McCain, a conservative, a patriot and a decent man."

And a loser. If he had shown half the aggression towards Obama that he showed against the conservative base during the Amnesty campaign he would have won this thing. He didn't fight this election for the country, he fought it to preserve his self___ as the all-round, cross-party good guy. He could happily insult the rank-and-file of the base but wouldn't say a cross word to a fellow member of the Senate

428 We are screwed. But, as some have said - I, too, welcome our new, insectoid overlords.

429 Steve (aka Ed Snate, aka Col. Kurtz),

You're my kind of guy. Wickedpinto thinks the world of you, and every time you post, my opinion of you goes up.

And who doesn't like a military historian?

430 Some idiot Bob Shrum is on MSNBC and he just said Gore won the election.  They don't give it up do they?  And yet no less than twenty of them called me tonight to tell me the republican party is dead.  I'm not a Republican, I'm an independent cause I don't much care for either party.   This guy shrum has decalred campaign financing law as dead.   I think on this he is correct.

431 incredulous: "Oh I'm the last person you would ever call a racist..."

Please don't misunderstand my point. I'm not inferring in any way that you are. It's just that if you make an observation like that, a factually precise observation that carries absolutely zero bias, you will have pointed out an uncomfortable hypocrisy. Your observation must, according to the race-baiters and class dividers, be qualified to your detriment. You aren't presenting facts anymore. You are presenting oppressive ideology that hides some hidden, historical flaw in your personal perceptions. You become the target, ad hominem-style, and not the bias itself from the offending group that actually projects bias against others while exercising its own so transparently. The key to winning the argument is to be offensive and not defensive. That's in the playbook. Charging "racist" is probably the most powerful muzzle, however cowardly, disingenuous, and overused, that can be made today.

432 Some timely quotes from the great Thomas Jefferson:

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."

"To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."

433 From Alexander Tytler:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been about 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: '>From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage."

I don't think he means the fun kind of bondage. =(

434
XBradTC --

Many thanks for your kind words. They've lifted my spirits on a dismal night. And right back at you: I enjoy reading your views and opinions too.

Also, I think the world of WickedPinto. I think of him as kind of younger brother. Sometimes he drives me nuts, but that's what younger brothers do. 

435 a younger brother? I always pictured WP as being like 70 years old :p

436 Dang, did Ace of Spades just turn into the new Kos Kids?

Yeah, McCain wasn't the first choice for most of us, but he did as well as he could have under the circumstances.  The CIRCUMSTANCES being that the MSM were going to control both his and Obama's messages to make sure Obama won.  Not much can be done with that in the short term.

Then, of course, there's also most of the educational establishment.

If it bothers you that the MSM and Big Ed are in the tank for the left, maybe you should think about joining one of them and working from within.  That's exactly how the left took them over in the first place -- 50 years ago both were conservative institutions, for the most part.

437
docweasel:

LOL! I think he's in his thirties--a conclusion I reached by backdating his stories of serving in the Corps. He may seem to be 70 because he's an old soul in a relatively young body.

438
50 years ago both were conservative institutions, for the most part.

I don't think that's true of the media. Well, sort of: the media was more conservative in the 50s in the sense that newspaper journalism was still a low-paying profession populated by alcoholics, border-line sociopath risk-takers, bullshit artists, iconoclasts, eccentrics, oddballs, thrill-seekers, authority-haters, unscrupulous manipulators, pathological liars, sex perverts, skirt chasers, social deviants, poontang hounds, and outright if functioning lunatics and nutters. The kind of people, in other words, who were too crazy, disorganized in their personal lives,  and/or mentally unstable to be dogmatically ideological for extended periods.

On the other the journalist elite were decidedly liberal--but they were Cold War liberals, which was not such a bad thing. However they were deeply in the tank for John Kennedy, arguably one of the worst presidents.

As for education: well, in the 50s I was in elementary school, and I can attest from experience that my education was conservative. There was an American flag in every classroom and and at the start of every day we faced the flag and placed our hands over our hearts and recited the Pledge of Allegiance complete with the "under God" part. Then we sang "God Bless America" or "My Country 'Tis of Thee." History lesson, and the overall educational milieu, was very pro-American, with an emphasis on traditional values.

439 If Palin decides that she can be a force in national politics, I think she'll do well. She's not stupid, despite the media portrayal, and she now has experienced the hell of MSM/leftist character assasination.  The big question, to me, is, will she be willing to drag the family through that hell again? If she does, I'd have to believe that she's really committed to the cause...or insane.

Jindal is more likeley. Like it or not,  it will be imperitive to the conservatives/Pubs to get some signifigant minority leadership. There's no reason that we can't recruit like-minded minorities. Demographically, we have no choice.

440 #436 amen

when the "conservatives" aren't eeyoring and damaging morale under the guise of "being realistic" they are carping about McCain's failures instead of facing their own shortcomings in _their_ role as supporters, boosters and warriors for the good guys, just because their favored candidate didn't get the nomination (whoever the fuck that was) or some petty grievance with McCain.

#437  Steve
I was being facetious, but sometimes  it seems like WP has 70+ years of grievance and bitterness stored up in his soul.

and in WP's honor: "LONGBOWS!"

441 439
I don't think Palin is stupid, I think she's uninformed, intellectually incurious about anything other than local politics, and out of her depth in national politics. Which is fine if she intends on staying Governor of Alaska. She's not ready to be POTUS by a long shot.

Now Bobby Jindal is a policy wonk, a stunning intellect and a stellar campaigner, debater and interviewee. I think he would have been the better choice, except I don't think McCain could have won with anyone after the financial crash, not with half the base still whinging like babies about minor policy differences and refusing to back him.

442

I speak as a right wing conservative.  I think we're being too hard on McCain.  It would have been a tall order for any Republican to win this election. 

1) Obama's bold-face lie about public financing gave him an obscene advantage in funds. 

2) The MSM's betrayal of the American public made Obama nearly untouchable.

3) A uninformed public put the economic downfall on the Republicans.

Whatever McCain's faults, which we can probably agree on, I doubt he could have surmounted the odds against him in this election.  Just think about how utterly miserable a choice Obama is, and you might start to believe that it was pretty much out of McCain's hands. 

The Democrats could have run anybody.  A dirty sock puppet with a Russian accent would have attained a mandate. 

443 Docweasel, she may have been uninformed and incurious, but now that she's been through the war, she may start working toward fixing those flaws. She may well have been out of her depth in this election, but I still feel that she was the only VP that McCain could have picked to get any kind of "oomph". In 4 years, with proper discipline and attention, she very well could be ready to run for POTUS. But if she decides that she's happy in Alaska, I wouldn't blame her either.

I also agree that Jindal is our best hope in 2012, with a little seasoning.

444

McCain was the same McCain he has always been.  He fought the best way he knew how.  I will, for the most part, try to avoid tearing the guy apart now.

That said, WTF? Not just McCain either. Let's "spread the wealth around".

1. Greed on Wall Street? Pandering.  He probably should have kept "naming the names" and left the populist big business-bashing to the Democrats.

2. I'm not Bush?  Right, except when you are ratifying his worst instincts, like Comprehensive Immigration Reform.  Speaking of which....

3. The Hispanic Vote.  Boy, that one really blew up in our faces, didn't it?  All that pandering, and instead of getting 45% like we did in 2004, we get one-fricken-third.  Now, some might be tempted to point to the Conservatice backlash against Amnesty for this shift.  They would probably be right, which leads me to ask, why the fuck did we even bring it up in the first place? Amnesty?  Whose fucking brilliant idea was that?  Nice own goal, GOP.

4. Palin.  Wow, we just totally pulled the rug out from under the coronation of Teleprompter Jesus by picking her.  What do we do next?  I know, lock her up in a fucking convent, and let her out only for interviews with hacks whose lifework is destroying Republicans.  Hey, while we're at it, let's not do LIVE interviews they can't cut and paste.  Fucking brilliant.

5. Wright.  It's not like the guy wasn't selling prepackaged GOP attack ads on DVDs or anything.  Ayers had potential, but there just were not hours and hours of histrionics readily available like there were for Wright.

6. Voiceovers.  Was it just me, or did the narrators of GOP ads pretty much suck across the board?  The Debbie Downer who did the 527 Wright ads...I just wasn't feeling it.

7. Palin.  Again.  Look, I don't know if the aides who anonymously trashed her were longtime McCain guys, Romney guys who worked for McCain, or whatever.  It doesn't really matter, since NOBODY who is with the campaign should have been trashing the running mate during the last week of the election.  Mindboggling.

8. Abortion.  Gun Rights.  Gay Marriage.  I don't know, aren't those issues that merit more than a passing mention during a campaign?

9. Tom Ridge.  Shut up.  Thank you.

10. Conservative Intellectuals.  Hey, we nominated just the sort of bipartisan, serious and sober sort of fella you wanted us to. So, where were you?  Oh, that's right, toasting that mountain of nuanced thoughtfulness from Chicago.  Thanks for jumping ship, assholes.  And that's all the Patriotic Grace I can muster up, Peg, you book-touting twat.

11. Open Primaries.  Wow, we sure are seriously naive, no?  Another own goal for the GOP.  Maybe McCain would still have won, and maybe he really was the only one in the field who had a chance of even making this thing respectable.  Still, it would be sort of nice to exit the primaries knowing that it was Republicans who chose the GOP nominee.

12. GOTV. Mea culpa.  I personally didn't do anything except work on some of my family, who predominatly lean Republican anyways.  Nobody's fault but my own.  Sorry, everyone.

Don't misunderstand me.  I don't think this was McCain's fault.  He is who he is, his intentions and effort were honest and honerable but, we need to somehow nominate a candidate whose primary virtue is something more than the fact that he has an acrimonious relationship with an unpopular sitting President.

445

And a loser. If he had shown half the aggression towards Obama that he showed against the conservative base during the Amnesty campaign he would have won this thing. He didn't fight this election for the country, he fought it to preserve his self___ as the all-round, cross-party good guy. He could happily insult the rank-and-file of the base but wouldn't say a cross word to a fellow member of the Senate

As a life long Democrat that crossed over for the first time to vote Republican today (straight ticket by the way), this very common charge (judging by the bitter conservative blogs) pisses me the hell off.  By the time John McCain faced off against Barack Obama, the Obama myth had been well cultivated.  But it wasn’t just the MSM and the loony left that helped create the myth of Obama “the nice guy, uniter not divider, post-partisan engaged in a new type of politics”, it was also conservatives in the media that were so fucking obsessed with destroying the Clintons they couldn’t help but join the pile on.   (There is definitely a Bush Derangement Syndrome on the left, but there’s an equally bizarre phenomenon known as Clinton Derangement Syndrome that exists on the right.)  People like George Will, David Brooks and Peggy Noonan kissed Obama’s ass every chance they got.  Others like Hannity enjoyed perpetrating the “Clintons are just bitter evil people trying to destroy nice guy Bambi” meme that played into the Obama campaign’s chosen narrative (as well as the “Clinton voters are just bitter racist bitches” garbage).   The worst in my opinion was Rush Limbaugh who gleefully called Bill Clinton “Bull Connor” for the same type of race-baiting attack that the Obama camp later perpetrated on Limbaugh himself.  For conservatives to bitch that McCain wouldn’t attack Obama harder is pretty fucking rich after they helped build up the Obama myth either directly or indirectly by tearing down the credibility of anyone that went against Our Dear Leader.  McCain did many things wrong during this campaign, but this was not one of them. 

This Republican on Republican hate and calls for purging the party of people like McCain truly makes me sick.   I’m sure you won’t give a shit, but these attacks on McCain are really turning me off of the Republican Party.  That man got his ass kicked by the left during this election: He was derided for reaching out to the base by picking Palin, he was called a racist and a Nazi for daring to fight instead of just lying down and playing the loser for the Great Obama, his honor was besmearched when Obama’s Chicago pols (along with those media asshats Joe Klein and Jonathan Alter) said he was running the “sleaziest campaign ever.”  McCain’s entire political cache was based on his honor, reputation for running clean campaigns and being a maverick Republican willing to take on the base when they were wrong.  He SACRIFICED all of that for the good of the American people.  The one issue he said was off limits was Rev Wright and dammit, it was the correct call!  The Wright issue was already out in the open thanks to the Dem primaries.  Moreover, it was the most racially touchy of all of Obama’s associations.  Would it have been racist to call Obama out for attending that church for 20+ years?  Of course not.  But the Republican Party didn’t have the luxury of going after Obama in that way.  There are huge number of Americans that already suspect the Republican Party is a party of racists.  Like it or not, it would’ve backfired against a black candidate.  There was no way the Republicans could’ve played that same type of hardball politics against a black candidate.     

Bottom line: You could not be more wrong.  McCain sacrificed his image for the good of the country.  His image has been destroyed by the MSM, the lefty bloggers and the assholes in the Dem party that claimed to be his friends at one time (Kerry, Biden, etc.  The exceptions were the Clintons, Lieberman and Russ Feingold.)  Maybe you don’t watch anything other than Fox or listen to anything other than Hannity or Limbaugh.  But let me guarantee you: McCain DID fight this election for our country.  Just because he didn’t engage in mutually assured destruction tactics doesn’t mean he didn’t have the country’s best interest at heart.  Such tactics would’ve actually HURT his chances with everyone except the hardest core members of the base.  That is, he would’ve received 33% of the vote instead of 47%

446 Docweasel you are FOS.

447

Posted by: Tversky at November 05, 2008 04:31 AM (DBB37)

You do realise that it was Limbaugh who spearheaded the effort to keep Clinton in the race, right?  I don't know how well it worked, but he did try.

448

I love that "chickenhawks" meme now.  I'm gonna jam that one down a leftist's throat every time they talk about the need for our military to do something about one of their pet causes.

Oh, they will be doing that BTW.  Those are their fucking jets now.

449 Look on the bright side. America's race card had an expiration date, 11/4/08.

I mentioned how happy I was to a black co-worker tonight that America isn't a racist country anymore after he brought up the Ascension of the One. The "Oh shit" look he gave me was priceless.

I also can't wait to rub it in to all the miserable fat bridge trolls I encountered tonight that bragged about voting for O how miserable they still are a year from now. "What, Obama didn't invent a fat burning pill, pay your mortgage and get you a six-figure job, Who'dve thunk it?"

450 McCain's schwerpunkt is national security.  That is the field where he has always stuck to his guns.  That is the field where he has supported conservative principles.  That is the area where he has walked the walk.

I supported him in the Primaries and in the General because I knew that he'd be the most effective Commander-in-Chief.

That was what he tried to sell.  The people didn't buy it.

451

10. Conservative Intellectuals.  Hey, we nominated just the sort of bipartisan, serious and sober sort of fella you wanted us to. So, where were you?  Oh, that's right, toasting that mountain of nuanced thoughtfulness from Chicago.  Thanks for jumping ship, assholes.  And that's all the Patriotic Grace I can muster up, Peg, you book-touting twat.

See, I don’t think those were conservative intellectuals at all.  They were and are moderates.  In my opinion, the Republican Party desperately needs conservative intellectuals.  It needs people that can logically argue the merits of conservatism over liberalism instead of just using emotion-based, value laden and ad hominem attacks.  This is particularly important in today’s society where so many young voters have been indoctrinated by political correctness.  They are almost conditioned to interpret anti-affirmative action as inherently racist and anti-immigration reform as racist and/or xenophobic.   Frankly I think it was a damn shame that it took me months to find a logical, empirically driven argument against immigration reform (I think it was an article by Frum that illuminated the subject for me.)

You do realise that it was Limbaugh who spearheaded the effort to keep Clinton in the race, right?  I don't know how well it worked, but he did try.

That’s true.  Actually my respect for Limbaugh grew a lot later in the campaign when he put aside his personal animus toward McCain to support McCain.  I’m dreading him attacking McCain tomorrow  morning though.  *sigh*  What good is that going to do?  It’s good to logically deconstruct where the campaign went wrong and discuss how conservatives can win again.  But the scapegoating of McCain is only going to fracture the party further in my opinion.  Trying to purge the party doesn’t make sense to me as a tactic.  Trying to lure people into the fold using core conservative principles, respect and logic makes more sense to me. 

One thing I wish the conservative base would get into their heads is that there are a lot of well intentioned RINOs, Democrats and Independents out there that can be reached if you are moderately respectful of them.  They aren’t your enemies!!!!  Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Howard Dean, Donna Brazile, Bill Ayers, etc. are your enemies.  But not all the people that vote for them are.  Some are just misinformed.  Some need deprogramming from the liberal indoctrination they’ve underwent in school.  It’s important to chose your enemy carefully and specifically.  Don’t use broad terms like “liberals”, “progressives”, etc.  Talk about Pelosi, Reid, etc.  and how their policies suck and are self-defeating.  That way you aren’t unintentionally insulting or alienating potential voters.  Most of you despise McCain, but the fact that he didn’t automatically vilify the people on the other side of the political spectrum was one thing that I found extremely appealing about him and  initially made me open to voting Republican this year.

452 So I guess the way to be president is to buy it and cheat. Will ANYTHING be done about all that funny money he got? ANYTHING? Why was he allowed to break all kinds of laws?

I will never call him president. Never. Now I must go and puke.

453

In my opinion, the Republican Party desperately needs conservative intellectuals.  It needs people that can logically argue the merits of conservatism over liberalism instead of just using emotion-based, value laden and ad hominem attacks.

 

I cannot believe that you think “logic” and “intellectual” thought will win these elections, especially after this election where an empty suited idiot won with a message of “hope and change”.

 

Logic has never won an election in the U.S. since TV and the mass media came into play.

454 McCain was the best we could do because he was the "anti-Republican" Republican.  He could've campaigned better, maybe won another state or two, but the GOP was just fated to lose this year.  Being more conservative wouldn't have helped and would probably have hurt.

Posted by: Bob at November 05, 2008 02:48 AM (4DoFz)


If the Republicans were destined to lose this time, maybe we should have nominated someone who was at least willing to fight for our cause and make the best case for it he could.  McCain said he'd rather win the war and risk losing the election... well, what about the war of ideas?  Or is that war not worth fighting?  Is free market capitalism not worth defending?

Maybe not another Goldwater, exactly... but if we expect another Reagan-like figure to emerge, we need someone to set the stage for him.  We can't just depend on some kind of Carter effect to bring our perfect candidate out of the crowd.

But instead we nominated our version of Mondale and the Democrats got their Reagan... ironically, their Reagan was the one promising to raise taxes and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.  What a fucking joke.

455 And good riddance to the undisciplined rank and file who whined nonstop if they did not get every thing the dreamed of in a candidate. Without your support, McCain/Palin could never have lost.

Allahpundit is now playing the dead Dean Barnett card. Screw him.

456

Logic has never won an election in the U.S. since TV and the mass media came into play.

 

Bullshit.  Logic alone has never won an election.  But Reagan used logic and reason as well as a pro-America positive message to win in 1980 and 1984.  Moreover, Gingrich definitely used logic and reason to guide the Republican take over of the House during the Clinton years.  However, in the last few elections both parties have been relying heavily on negative emotion based messages.   Even Obama with all his hopey changing nonsense always starts by painting a dire picture of American today.  He’s actually EXCEEDINGLY negative.  The only way a liberal can win is through negativity, hopelessness, tapping into resentments, promoting a victimization agenda and then promising that the government can “save you”.  The Republicans have the advantage that they don’t need to rely on negative emotion based messages to win.  But for the last few elections, instead of offering logical, reasonable, thoughtful solutions and a positive message of American self-determination and initiative they’ve relied on negative emotions like fear (national security, immigration), anger (homosexual and liberal agendas) and resentment (affirmative action) to rile up the base and win 51% elections.  So yes, I do think logic and reason can be a huge asset for the Republican Party.  In fact, it’s an area where the Republicans have a distinct advantage over Democrats since conservatism is actually pretty darn logical (in contrast to amorphous, emotional, flakey liberalism).    At the very least I think it would’ve helped McCain in the debates to have a logical, coherent argument for why Obama’s economic policies would end up hurting the very people he claimed they would help.

457

Hard to say this:

If McCain lost because he was insufficiently conservative and principled, where'd the conservative votes to make the difference go?

Barr?

Stay at home?

Nope.  Look at Murtha.  The voters voted for handouts.  The chumps don't know they're selling their votes FOR THEIR OWN MONEY.

Solve that one.

 

458 On a brighter note, Iranian missiles can now reach Europe. I say, Let 'em rip! and let's stay out of any conflicts between europe and their new islamofascists overlords.

459

McCain said he'd rather win the war and risk losing the election... well, what about the war of ideas?  Or is that war not worth fighting?  Is free market capitalism not worth defending?

That’s McCain’s biggest flaw.  He doesn’t have a real core ideology except patriotism.  He understands foreign policy and national security but he doesn’t know jack about conservative economic principles and why they’re superior to the warmed over LBJ era liberal claptrap the Dems are peddling this year.  In the future, the Republicans really need to rally behind someone that can make that case because free markets are under assault now in this country (this is what I mean by the Republicans using logic and reason – not just negative emotion based messages.)  Not only is it shocking how little McCain really understands economics, it’s shocking how little most Americans understand it.  Apparently a lot of them think the government can over tax business people and the little guy will never be affected.  I guess they think businesses will just absorb the taxes through lower profits.  *shudders*  One of my biggest concerns with ObamaNation is the disincentive for entrepreneurship and new business creation.  We already have a problem in that area and Obama’s tax policies will just make it worse.  

But instead we nominated our version of Mondale and the Democrats got their Reagan... ironically, their Reagan was the one promising to raise taxes and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I think the Mondale comparison is over-stating it.  McCain did better than McGovern in 72, Carter in 80, Mondale in 84 and Dukakis in 88 in terms of electoral college and proportion of the vote.  His electoral count looks closest to Bush in 92 and Dole in 96 although he got more votes than all of the above “losers.”  Interestingly, for all the talk about Barry being the left’s Reagan, I think his electoral college count will be a little smaller than Clinton’s in 96 at 379.  Not so great when compared to Reagan and Nixon’s electoral college blowouts.  Moreover, I’ll be surprised if he tops George W. Bush’s popular vote count of 2004.  It’ll be close though.  Looking at the sheer number of votes George W. Bush got in 2004 with what McCain got this time and considering the fact that the Democrats did all they could to turn McCain into McBush I tend to blame most of this loss on Bush’s unpopularity (whether earned or not.)  A crap load of people (approximately 7 million) that voted for Bush in 2004 refrained from voting for a guy that the media and the Dems painted as a veritable Bush clone. 

RE: Barry raising taxes.  I think a lot of people buy the argument that Barry is cutting taxes for 95% of Americans and this will have no negative consequences.  There were only a few really thoughtful conservative voices out there arguing that this faux-tax cut (i.e., welfare policy) was terrible economics (e.g., Newt Gingrich, Larry Kudlow, Jack Welch).  Instead I saw a shocking number of business people, investment banker types, and econ types arguing for Obama on economic grounds.  The point is: McCain sucked on this issue.  No doubt.  But it wasn’t like McCain got much visible backup from smart, thoughtful conservatives either.

Once again, I think this is a good example of how logic and reason would’ve helped McCain tremendously.  Conservative economic policies have to be explained and sold.  It isn’t immediately clear why they’re beneficial to the regular guy.  In contrast, liberal economic policies are easy: The Dems simply promise give aways.   

460

Obviously I'm not happy with the election, but I also don't see it as the end of the world. How much damage can he do?

461

"The chumps don't know they're selling their votes FOR THEIR OWN MONEY."

Easy, they think it's someone else's, and it probably is as those people in Connellsville and other locations in PA make shit money.

That state is in economic decline, just like other rust-belt states, but it is worse than the others.

462

Geez, let's blame the candidate for everything.  I can tell you why McCain lost.  It's because the vast majority of voters are ignorant.  We think that everyone is as informed as those of us who post and read these blogs and the news, but trust me,they're not.  I made tons of calls and all of the Obama supporters gave the same mantra, he cares about us and he will take care of us.  An example....I was on the bus yesterday and a group were talking about Obama being elected.  Comments such as..."he's going to help me get a car,"  "he's got $3 trillion he's going to give to help us get by,"  "he's going to make sure we never go to war,"  "he's going to make those oil companies pay," and my personal favorite..."he really cares about people and he's going to get rid of unemployment."  All of these people voted and only one of the 10 or so was Black.  Name any Republican candidate those people would have voted for....the only one I can think of would maybe have been Rudy.   

The media created and elected Obama.  And it wasn't just the national MSM, it was the small town papers and stations too.  This wasn't a mandate by the people, it was a high school popularity contest.

463 To the democrats:  This is a nice moment for you. I'm gonna let you have it.

To the conservatives:  Never again.  From this moment on, no more Rino's.  Flush them out of the party.

And to McCain: If I never hear you say "my friends" again, it will be too soon.

464

462 Thanks for sparing my energy this morning. You said it all. Who could stand up to the media onslaught for obamassiah. This is all beyond comprehension. Add to that the rampant cheating and voter fraud.

I am sure not ready to bash John Mccain to this degree nor do I think he deserves it. No wonder we lose so much the way we kill our wounded. John McCain is a decent man and a war hero. I wish him, Cindy and all their family the very best.

Thank you for your heroic service to this country John McCain. Hold your head high. Sometimes the better man doesn't win. This is certainly one of those times.

465

Call me in a year or so and tell me if y'all are better off then you would have been. When ya let the media pick your horse in the race, it was doomed. Palin tried to revive it but alas we have become a nation of lazy no accounts waiting for the next handout from the socialists we put in power. Whether we elected them or through inaction to stop them. Now there is nothing to stop them from ruining the greatest nation ever on earth.

Maybe this will be the wake up call we need to pick better leaders who think more of getting out of your wsy, thsn grabbing the ring of power for their own selfish interests.

466 How much damage can he do?

Do you really want to find out? 

467 we need to get the gop to end crossover voting in primaries.

without dem support in the early primaries mccain loses.

468 After the Palin nomination McCain’s fortunes were rising and Obama was sinking. The media managed to sink McCain by repeating the communist talking points of deregulation and Wall Street greed. I honestly believe that without that McCain would have won.

It didn't help that McCain repeated those same talking points.

469 I was a Guiliani fan as well before McCain won the primary. I think McCain fought the best fight he could. How did you expect him to compete with:

1. The liberal media which refused to to report on, or investigate into any negative aspect of Obama. Unbiased and objective journalism is dead;

2. Obama's use of unverified contributions to his campaign and breaking his promise of campaign finance reform; and

3. Obama's out-spending McCain to about a 4 to 1 ratio.

Already, nations are beginning to test him. Russia, this morning, refused to congratulate his win this morning and is talking about the proposed missile systems near its borders. I am afraid we will re-live the Jimmy Carter years (1976-1979).
Start stocking your provisions now.

470 There was no idea of McCain beyond McCain himself.

Hence my method of referring to him all along.

John McCain, (r-McCainland)

Funny. I woke up this morning having paid no attention to news yesterday/last night.

So this is the first I hear of McCain's loss. I feel no sense of personal loss. Just grim acceptance of the hard work that must follow.

Principles matter, people. The Democrats are going to over-reach. When they do so, we must not be bitter, petty or angry. We must be there to provide Conservative alternatives in two and four years.

Those alternatives must be rooted in fiscally conservative, socially responsible first principles. And the candidates we nominate must embrace those principles. If we continue allow the media to choose our nominees for us, we are doomed. If we allow ourselves to accept fatally flawed candidates such as McCain, we are doomed.

The bright spot in all this is we may have found a superstar in Palin. Someone who, after 4 years of Obama's spectacularly left-wing governing and misogyny, may get a new look by a lot of centrists who have barely sublimated memories of the Democrat party's sexist attacks on women of quality this election.

471 It's times like these I'm glad we nominated someone with fire in his belly, willing to do what it takes to win even if it means being somewhat rude.

472 Ok, one problem with blaming McCain and McCainism...

We nominated him.

The Republican party had a primary candidate crew that far outstripped the Dems in diversity and accomplishment,  Instead of lawyer, lawyer, lawyer, we had:

A Governor with a proven record of pulling his state out of a financial crisis.
The Mayor of the biggest city on the East Coast who pulled his city out of a financial crisis, lowered crime to levels not seen since the Wagner administration, who showed genuine leadership on 9/11 and incredible, unpublicized compassion afterwards.
A decorated Viet Nam veteran with a son in Iraq.
A senator with a track record of going against his party and pandering to the opposition.

And we nominated the last one.

Is this where I say, "Don't blame me, I voted for Romney"?

Is this where I say

473 WHITE POWER!

474 Fuck you, jaff.. you fucking astroturfing cocksucker.  Your guy won, now go collect your check and buy some crack with it.

475 "455 And good riddance to the undisciplined rank and file who whined nonstop if they did not get every thing the dreamed of in a candidate. Without your support, McCain/Palin could never have lost.

Allahpundit is now playing the dead Dean Barnett card. Screw him.

Posted by: Marcus Antonius at November 05, 2008 05:50 AM (7QXqh)"

AMEN! I been saying that since all the whiny ass titty baby conservatives were moaning about McCain winning the nomination, when they hated Huckabee even worse. And the people saying "I voted Romney don't blame me", please.

Romney would have won Utah yesterday, and that's about it. McCain at least kept it close to the point we has some hope and he probably saved some Senators. Romney would have been demolished in the South and taken down Senators with him, as well as congressmen.

476 Ms. D -- I voted Romney in the primary and I worked my ass off in the McCain campaign after he was nominated.  Might have been nice if he'd done the same but the fact is the party picked him knowing what they were getting.

477 "But they said Giuliani wore a dress in a comedy skit and no one would vote for him.   They were obviously wrong."

Rudy got about as many votes as Duncan Hunter, and a lot fewer than Ron Paul. So no, they were not obviously wrong.

478 "The right blogs moved a narrative that McCain wasn't pure enough and could barely stand him."

McCain made it very clear that he can't stand us, so that seems like a fair exchange.

479 I'm telling you. Get ready for the worst failed Republican nominee in history. It's going to be like when Bush welcomed the Democratic Congress as people he could pass "immigration reform" with. Comprehensive POS, global warming - McCain's not only going to enable them, he's going to enjoy it. He's got to prove he's still the media's John McCain and make up for daring to mention mentioning Ayers even ever so slightly.

480 McCain would have made a good leader, but a leader controlled by advisers.  Considering he would be fighting an illuminati leftist Congress, there would be a lot bending to accommodate them under a McCain presidency anyways.

481 McCain took a chance on Palin, sure, but he also had a great opportunity to show off a young regional leader for 2012. He did something good for his party.

I think it was a Herculean effort to even come this close this election, especially after the September economy. McCain did okay.

Yeah, he needed to push the FM FM on the Dems. In fact, that's also useful for 2010, because we absolutely cannot let there be no alternative meme to what the MSM decides is the "Story" about the recesssion.

482 In Ace's main post, he said the exact things I got crucified for saying back in March.

VINDUHCHASHUN. I HAS IT.

483 Ace, schwerpunkt!

Crystal clear analysis of the McCain clusterfuck campaign.

The bastards that gave us McCain on our GOP ticket think that they can mutilate Sarah Palin are in for an ass whoopin' provided at their own expense.

The Grand Old Party:
Hardline Conservatives wanted by public demand.
RNC Elitist, RINO, & Saboteur Inc. need not apply.

484 The anger in these comments, the narrowminded cavemen's views of the world, and the continued slander towards Obama is nothing but a true reflection why the McCain / Palin campaign lost, and lost big.  We saw too many of your ilk in the rallies, shooting off your mouths with foul language and ridiculous swiftboat charges. The country saw it, reckognized it for what it was, and 63 million Americans voted for the better candidates, the better ideas, and  yes, they voted for the skinny , cool guy with the nice suntan.  Go Obama.

485 #484 TomT

Your guy won. Go pick up your government-issue unicorn, and shut the fuck up already.

486 Tom T...

Obama received only slightly more of the popular vote than Bush did in 04..

chew on that for a while..   Obama's mandate is the same as Bush's mandate

487 #484# Bad language at the rallies, you mean like the people who kept showing up at each rally wearing the "Obama is a CU*T t-shirts? Oh, wait, those weren't McCain supporters, were they. No, I think that was an Obama supporter t-shirt, wasn't it. Hmmm . . .  weird.

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