Barone: "WPEs" in Virginia Show That Obama's Actual Numbers <i>Ten Points Worse</i> Than Exit Polls

Barone: "WPEs" in Virginia Show That Obama's Actual Numbers Ten Points Worse Than Exit Polls

Other states also show him lagging the polls, but not to that extent. In Florida, it's around 4%.

Explaining that WPEs in PA still showed Obama comfortably ahead. Supposedly, the tallies from the counties where they've gotten actual votes are close enough to exit polls that they think they can call it... with a 1 in 250 chance of being outside-the-margin-of-error wrong.

WPEs: Are "Within precinct error." It's the comparison between exit polls in polled precincts to actual votes.

Posted by: Ace at 09:56 PM

Comments

1 WPE?

Posted by: mAc Chaos at November 04, 2008 09:58 PM (x2lS1)

2 what is WPE?

Posted by: tinkerbella at November 04, 2008 09:58 PM (zrvmi)

3 C'mon, McCain! Baby needs a new pair of Sarah Palin boots!

Posted by: Z as in Jersey at November 04, 2008 09:58 PM (pUADR)

4 What does this post mean? What is a WPE? I am not by a tv. Please 'splain.

Posted by: Thea at November 04, 2008 09:58 PM (N0hv7)

5 Within Precinct Error

Posted by: Vince at November 04, 2008 09:59 PM (63zCu)

6 WPE is the error at the precinct level between the exit polls and the real votes.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 04, 2008 09:59 PM (3hW3F)

7 Within precinct error--comparing the actual votes to the exit polls from that precinct.

Posted by: Watchman at November 04, 2008 09:59 PM (KvSRf)

8 Please educate me on the WPE!

Posted by: devilish at November 04, 2008 09:59 PM (5ui08)

9 wpe = within precinct error

Posted by: Contributor X at November 04, 2008 09:59 PM (/Zt8j)

10 Do WPEs help McCain win Florida? Because if not, McCain = Hosed.

Posted by: Hoodlumman at November 04, 2008 09:59 PM (6oPLf)

11 Sick.

Really, really going to be sick. Vomit everywhere.

Posted by: Filly at November 04, 2008 10:00 PM (VLsit)

12 The margin between the exit polls and the actual precinct vote tallies. It can be used to correct for sampling errors.

Posted by: Vince at November 04, 2008 10:00 PM (63zCu)

13 Thanks, all, for the explanation.

Posted by: devilish at November 04, 2008 10:00 PM (5ui08)

14 Dum Spero Spes

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2008 10:00 PM (HVRSA)

15 WPE

It's another magic unicorn number that they made up recently.

K

Posted by: Kestrel♠ at November 04, 2008 10:01 PM (AFj4O)

16 Ohio is gone.

Posted by: Bilby at November 04, 2008 10:01 PM (8iDn7)

17 Northern counties, and Philly, from Slubs

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 04, 2008 10:01 PM (eiOZw)

18 Vodkapundit: "6:49PM With almost half of precincts reporting, McCain is still up by 8 points in VA. That’s getting tough to reconcile with the exit polling and the hearsay reports. What’s going on? A tighter race than expected, perhaps — odd, given Obama’s popularity and McCain’s lousy ground operation."

More evidence of the absolute shittiness of the exit polls.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 04, 2008 10:01 PM (qe4D8)

19 Fox calls NM and MN for Obama. Having a hard time keeping my head up. Hope the media is collosally wrong this year.

Posted by: brak at November 04, 2008 10:01 PM (vvvWu)

20 Oops..nevermind, FOX messed up.

Posted by: Bilby at November 04, 2008 10:02 PM (8iDn7)

Ohio not gone yet!

Posted by: tom_06060 at November 04, 2008 10:02 PM (aiQeU)

22 Fox calling New Mexico? What the fuck?

They are banned.

Posted by: Editor at November 04, 2008 10:02 PM (p4YSL)

23 FNC's "mistaken checkmark" on Ohio practically gave me a heart attack.

Posted by: Dave J at November 04, 2008 10:02 PM (qsGH+)

24 Don't get too agitated about Florida.

Florida's Panhandle was the last to close and will be the last counted--and that's a huge trove of GOP votes.

Posted by: Paul at November 04, 2008 10:02 PM (642J9)

25 WPE = wicked poor estimate

Posted by: tom_06060 at November 04, 2008 10:03 PM (aiQeU)

26 Is there any hope left?

Posted by: bitter, clinging Pennsylvanian at November 04, 2008 10:03 PM (bd68Z)

27 Fuck this, I'm watching House and drinking scothc. Scotch.

Posted by: JohnW at November 04, 2008 10:04 PM (rQSPL)

28 This is fucking crazy. Calling states that were won by less than 2% in 2004 on exit polls? It's fucking insane. New Mexico, Wisconsin and Minnesota called at soon as the polls closed????

Posted by: Rocks at November 04, 2008 10:04 PM (7rbe9)

29 FUCK FOX!!! They are letting Axlerod get on TV and spew his bullshit about New Mexico... with votes counted????

Posted by: Editor at November 04, 2008 10:04 PM (p4YSL)

30 Those crackheads on Fox just "called" Michigan for Obama while showing a huge graphic showing McCain ahead 53% to Obama's 45%. Not a word of explanation, just stating it as "fact."

Posted by: CB at November 04, 2008 10:04 PM (9Wv2j)

31 Yeah wtf is going on at Fox?

Posted by: brak at November 04, 2008 10:04 PM (vvvWu)

32 SO, is Fox in the tank too? WTF is happening?

Posted by: adam h at November 04, 2008 10:05 PM (X2xSP)

33 Did I miss the networks calling GA for Mac?

Posted by: Jean at November 04, 2008 10:06 PM (HVRSA)

34 'Do You Believe in Miracles' is on HBO Family. I can't take exit poll bs anymore.

Posted by: tom_06060 at November 04, 2008 10:06 PM (aiQeU)

Folks, I'm a positive person and eeyoreing is rightly dissed on this sight...having said that, I'm going to bed soon and nothing I see leads me to believe The One isn't winning...and possibly big...really big.

Not sure what to think...God please grant wisdom to the president, whoever he is.

Anyone have a New Zealand real estate agent?

Posted by: The Hammer at November 04, 2008 10:06 PM (P89vv)

36 Axelfuck is on FOX... grrrrr...

K

Posted by: Kestrel♠ at November 04, 2008 10:06 PM (AFj4O)

37 PA ARE YOU INSANE?!

I'm.... just...

They have got to be kidding me if they re-elect Murtha.

Posted by: Filly at November 04, 2008 10:06 PM (VLsit)

38 Fox News is dead to me.

Have switched to straight Valu-Rite. Swigging from the seltzer bottle to wash it down.

Posted by: Milesdei at November 04, 2008 10:06 PM (ACHxk)

39 There are no conservatives in media anymore. Just assholes that need to keep their jobs. Sell a product and keep their jobs.

Posted by: adam h at November 04, 2008 10:06 PM (X2xSP)

40 Fox is trying to avoid the Fairness Doctrine under the reign of The One.

Posted by: Hoodlumman at November 04, 2008 10:06 PM (6oPLf)

41 Here is PAs unofficial results page: http://tinyurl.com/5477j6
About 4% in and it is Obama 65% - McCain 34%

Posted by: devilish at November 04, 2008 10:07 PM (5ui08)

42 Guys, the PUMAs told us they were going to lie to the exit pollers. That's part of the game. They were well aware that the Obamamessiah told his supporters to run, not walk, to the pollers so that the news would get out that Obama was winning an "overwhelming" victory, thus discouraging people from turning out. They're just returning tit-for-tat, making sure that the only thing the exit polls will show correctly is how in-the-tank the media is for Obama.

I do not want to get on these folks' bad sides. They don't just want the Obamamedia humiliated, they want them crushed, ground into tiny pieces, and spread all over Chicago's drinking water system.

Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at November 04, 2008 10:07 PM (E3Yxq)

Fox used to be a place I would stop by if I happened to have the TV on.

No more.

Posted by: adam h at November 04, 2008 10:07 PM (X2xSP)

44 Me too, Dave J.

WPE = Wickedpinto Energy. Released when a bitch has just been broken.

So, how come every network calls PA right off, but not Texas? I mean, does anyone really think Texas is going for Obama?

(Incidentally, local news showed the R in the lead in TX-22 (Delay's old seat), but not by that much and not many votes have been counted. TX-22 is the Rs' best chance for a pickup this year. I'll update y'all when I get more info.)

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at November 04, 2008 10:07 PM (8CGjC)

45 It's not based on the exit polls, it's based on the exit polls vs. the actual returns precinct by precinct. If the exit poll says +15, and a few test precincts show +5, they call it for Barry.

It ain't over-- but it ain't lookin' good, either.

Posted by: a4g at November 04, 2008 10:08 PM (6dMuW)

46 >>what is WPE?

It is a dipping sauce for my balls.

Posted by: Tushar at November 04, 2008 10:08 PM (PTWes)

47 Wisconsin could have been called 2 days ago. ACORN had enough votes by that time to account for 51% of the entire state population.

Just remember about these battleground states - over 5% voter fraud (5% was previous average). Kinda hard to make that up with the media tanking it this year, but how the hell is a Marxist getting more than 10% of any vote?

Posted by: Gunslinger at November 04, 2008 10:08 PM (x5vUD)

48 Oh fuck!!!!!!! Go Virginia!!!!!!

This has given me reason to start drinking beer and to chill on tilting the Beam bottle straight up with no chaser.

Posted by: Blazer at November 04, 2008 10:08 PM (+FzLa)

49 Fox now has about as much credibility as a feces-flinging monkey in a cage. They are practically soiling themselves with their Obama worship.

Head exploding . . .

Posted by: CB at November 04, 2008 10:08 PM (9Wv2j)

50 so did fox call ohio for obama or not?

Posted by: Rob at November 04, 2008 10:08 PM (/Zcox)

Guys, the PUMAs told us they were going to lie to the exit pollers.

Right, but these are votes being counted. Not the exit polls. We'll see.

Posted by: adam h at November 04, 2008 10:09 PM (X2xSP)

52 Bad night for America. Statism rampant. McCain will lose, alas. Question 1 goes down by a big margin in Massachusetts. We have a lot of work to do to hold the line on conservative principles and basic freedom. It is going to be an ugly next four years, especially in the economy, with the Obamidiots at the helm.

But they own it, now. And we have to make them own it.

Posted by: General Stark at November 04, 2008 10:09 PM (n/OH3)

53 "SO, is Fox in the tank too? WTF is happening?"

Yes, you fucking retard, they are.

I warned you all this would happen beforehand and now you're all freaking out like little girls.

Get the fuck over yourselves. Post facts. Don't fucking freak out.

Posted by: someone at November 04, 2008 10:09 PM (zHoxL)

54 Fuck everyone on the east coast for reporting these exit poll numbers. Its 6 fucking PM here on the west coast.

Fuck all of you. Die. Now.

Posted by: 13times at November 04, 2008 10:09 PM (uCjLs)

55 DOOM DOOM DOOM AND GLOOM!!!!! It's all bullshit. We'll see when we see actual numbers. Like I said earlier, they'll jump the gun to call PA with no precincts and yet not call TX or VA? Bullshit.

Posted by: Alex at November 04, 2008 10:09 PM (4siCm)

56 NOT. Hume said it was a mistake

Posted by: Thea at November 04, 2008 10:09 PM (N0hv7)

57 PUMAs my ass. Women LOVE Obama, and they voted for him in droves.

PA went big time for Obama, predictably. PUMAs don't exist -- it's an Obama landslide. There won't be any Reps left in any way.

MURTHA likely got re-elected. Bastich.

There never were PUMAs. Never was. Exit polls show PUMAs voted for Obama 81-71. Please.

A Dem is a Dem is a Dem. They all voted for Teleprompter Jesus. He's President for Life.

It's just over.

Time for Plan B: Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald.

Posted by: whiskey at November 04, 2008 10:09 PM (4878o)

58 damnit my balls are getting parched.

Posted by: krukke1 at November 04, 2008 10:09 PM (pSOzi)

59 Well, it's a MSM/ACORN election, though. We'll never have a straight up, unfrauded election again.

Posted by: Thea at November 04, 2008 10:10 PM (N0hv7)

60 Aren't the Udalls Mormons? Why the hell are they running as Dems anyway?
Reid is going to have one shitload of Yellow Dogs on his hands.

Posted by: Rocks at November 04, 2008 10:10 PM (7rbe9)

61 Rob -

They did but said it was a mistake & corrected themselves.

RedState's down.

Posted by: Swegin at November 04, 2008 10:10 PM (q0Z3p)

62 "Fox used to be a place I would stop by if I happened to have the TV on."

C'mon, give em' a break they just wan't to keep the lights on and the heaters runnin' in a Barry admin. Kissing the ring of your new Communist overlord has it's benefits.

Posted by: Blazer at November 04, 2008 10:11 PM (+FzLa)

63 I turned off FOX when Bob Beckel opened his mouth. I'm watching al-AP's electoral map and this blog. That's all.

Posted by: fiatboomer at November 04, 2008 10:11 PM (YbPih)

64 Barone is really drinking some MSM Kool-Aid here. There are 24X more votes coming in, mostly from McCain-friendly areas. Anyone care to guess what a 4 percent poll taken in downtown Chicago would look like?

Posted by: Fresh Air at November 04, 2008 10:12 PM (SXkkC)

65 Its going to take a lot of heart and energy to fight Obama's fucking crazy ass agenda. I hope you gents are up to it.

Posted by: geoff - anti-Harkonnen freedom fighter at November 04, 2008 10:12 PM (5r0Tz)

66 CB,

Hold it together kid. Hoodlumunun or whatever the fuck has it exactly right upthread. And I would add that because Hume is leaving, leftist suckers of cock like Shep Twit seem to be taking over the sandbox.

Posted by: Milesdei at November 04, 2008 10:12 PM (ACHxk)

67 Fellas,

Someone is right. Calm down. Take a deep breath and wait a couple of hours. If you have to do something call people on the West Coast and tell them that the exit poll numbers are pig doots and they need to vote.

Posted by: The Obvious at November 04, 2008 10:12 PM (1g+FW)

68 I say let's have a drink to George W. Bush. The last American president!

Posted by: Thea at November 04, 2008 10:12 PM (N0hv7)

69 VA slipping by the tick. Looking like a loss with the areas not tallied. Hell-diddily-ding-dong-crap.

John McCain and Sarah Palin 986,131 50.09%
Barack Obama and Joe Biden 961,394 48.84%
Precincts Reporting:
    1,538 of 2,496 (61.61%)

Voter Turnout:
    1,968,373 of 4,912,971 active voters (40.06%)
    1,968,373 of 5,034,660 total voters (39.09%)

Posted by: Gunslinger at November 04, 2008 10:12 PM (x5vUD)

70 Ohio is back. someone at fox clicked Ohio blue accidentally.

-J

Posted by: The non-artist formerly know as joshin until some troll used my nick at November 04, 2008 10:13 PM (r8N4G)

71 someone, I am not the enemy, and I am not freaking out. I just thought FOX would at least walk behind the bandwagon a little way, not riding it outright. I was wrong. Shit.

Posted by: adam h at November 04, 2008 10:13 PM (X2xSP)

72 63 - we went to Everybody Loves Raymond when Axelrod appeared.

Posted by: Swegin at November 04, 2008 10:13 PM (q0Z3p)

73 I already had a toast to W, and sent him a thank you note.

Posted by: Mury at November 04, 2008 10:13 PM (Htdcn)

74 The Yahoo front page has the same goddamn thing.

Michigan: McCain 52% Obama 46%

with a checkmark by Obama's name, calling the state for him, well, of course, he's clearly won.

Aaaaaarrrrrrrggggghhhhhhhh!

Posted by: CB at November 04, 2008 10:14 PM (9Wv2j)

75 Frak

Posted by: Techie at November 04, 2008 10:14 PM (EVMm7)

76 We lied to the pollsters today - claimed 4 Obama votes when it was 2 McCain. But in NJ it hardly matters.

Posted by: AnnieMcPhee at November 04, 2008 10:14 PM (l2YGo)

77 FROM marston chronicles:

Expect states with large cities to go for Obama-Biden at first. Miami is driving Florida so far and Philadelphia will drive Pennsylvania at first so hang in there. Unless you see the votes counted percentage over 50%, you are looking at only part of a state.

Posted by: Ben at November 04, 2008 10:14 PM (rs7M9)

78 It will be interesting to see if the Dems like free speech and think dissent is "the highest form of patriotism" after this.

Posted by: Thea at November 04, 2008 10:14 PM (N0hv7)

79 Obama is running behind in Philly. I'm not saying McCain can take it, but it is too close to call.

Posted by: David at November 04, 2008 10:14 PM (HAdov)

80 Here's the deal. The city precincts report early and are heavy obama. The suburbs and outlining counties report much later and favor McCain. So Florida, Ohio, and PA are much in play.

Indiana, VA and MO are in with McCain.

Posted by: Kolchak at November 04, 2008 10:15 PM (//Qr5)

81 Guy who predicted McCain-Palin landslide is still predicting a McCain-Palin landslide:
DO NOT PANIC. THE POPULAR VOTE IS A VIRTUAL TIE. WHO WAS EXPECTING THAT? (EXCEPT US)

Posted by: Filly at November 04, 2008 10:15 PM (VLsit)

82 Is it just me or is Britt Hume shit faced drunk?

Not that I blame him, mind you. It's just conduct more becoming an AoS blogger, not a FNC anchor.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 04, 2008 10:15 PM (3hW3F)

83 Who the hell is Marston and why should I believe him?

Posted by: Thea at November 04, 2008 10:15 PM (N0hv7)

84 Thes, you know and I know dissent will be crushed by the One's Civilian security force.

Posted by: Ben at November 04, 2008 10:16 PM (rs7M9)

Fox sold its soul a long time ago. I don't trust them any more than I trust msnbc at this point. Screw 'em. Wait for the votes.

Posted by: TiredWench at November 04, 2008 10:16 PM (VVOw6)

86 Murtha is up early with 4% reporting.

Pennsylvania is 2 to 1 BarryO with 8% reporting.

Posted by: Hoodlumman at November 04, 2008 10:16 PM (6oPLf)

87 Oh, also, this is the only election coverage I'm watching except for a far-leftist live-blog (because they're so ridiculous.) Great coverage, Ace and co.

Posted by: AnnieMcPhee at November 04, 2008 10:17 PM (l2YGo)

88 Thanks, Milesdei. I'm not freaking out, and I still think McCain's going to win this. I just didn't expect to see such blatant bullshit. Heh, what was I thinking?

';-)

Posted by: CB at November 04, 2008 10:17 PM (9Wv2j)

I've been watching MSNBC and I have never seen a bigger assemblage of clowns and cocksucking crackheads in my life.

Unbelievable, - thou mildly entertaining...

Posted by: Fritz at November 04, 2008 10:17 PM (aaGD+)

90 Delay was on MSNBC explaining to Matthews how Pelosi is going to be running things when Obama is elected. Expect to see a doubling of the min. wage, HUGE amounts of spending, etc. Mathews thanked him for being on by calling him a hater.

Posted by: Hammer at November 04, 2008 10:17 PM (XWJh5)

91 Kemosabe, I'm itchin' like an incestuous porcupine for some good, hard numbers.

Posted by: Dan Rather at November 04, 2008 10:17 PM (n2eCn)

92 http://www.marstonchronicles.info

Posted by: Ben at November 04, 2008 10:17 PM (rs7M9)

93 Kolchak is right. Calm down. Go have a smoke or something. Come back in an hour or two.

Posted by: The Obvious at November 04, 2008 10:17 PM (1g+FW)

94 If Mac loses this one, we can expect Obama to unite the country and win 99.999% of the vote next time! Yay!

Posted by: Vercingetorix at November 04, 2008 10:18 PM (QaVQ6)

95 Our precinct indicating 80-90% voter turn out. Last year it was about 70%.

Posted by: kat-missouri at November 04, 2008 10:18 PM (GxnBZ)

96 Well, it looks like the problem is simple:

America's commie electorate.

Posted by: Christoph at November 04, 2008 10:18 PM (hawOV)

When the Barry O security force comes toTexas they will get a royal ass whoopin'

Posted by: Rob at November 04, 2008 10:18 PM (/Zcox)

98 Ohio gone now.

Posted by: Bilby at November 04, 2008 10:18 PM (8iDn7)

The more MSM fuckups the better.

Until their fuckups become our reality...

Posted by: sherlock at November 04, 2008 10:18 PM (ojW85)

100 And there it is...Ohio called for Obama

Posted by: geoff - anti-Harkonnen freedom fighter at November 04, 2008 10:18 PM (5r0Tz)

101 DOUBLING Min wage??

Where the fucking hell did that come from??

Jesus Christ, It's like they're TRYING to ruin the economy.

Posted by: Techie at November 04, 2008 10:18 PM (EVMm7)

102 Fox calls OH for real with 9% in for obambi.

Posted by: brak at November 04, 2008 10:18 PM (vvvWu)

103 ohio per fox such is life

Posted by: Mark at November 04, 2008 10:19 PM (EpUX6)

104 Fox just called Ohio for Obama.

Posted by: Jack Bauer's Evil Brother at November 04, 2008 10:19 PM (huJfh)

105 Pelosi is going to be running things when Obama is elected.

If it comes down to it, inter-Dem cannibalism will help us out a lot, I think.

You think O!, Pelosi, and Reid are going to agree on who gets to "run things"?

I think not.

Posted by: Dead Career Sketch at November 04, 2008 10:19 PM (JTN0y)

106 You are seeing the Eastern PA being reported. Heavily Dem - matches exit. Surprise factor 0.

Posted by: Mike H at November 04, 2008 10:19 PM (1V2sa)

107 Ohio is called for... ACORN. McCain supporters told to go home and cling.

Posted by: Gunslinger at November 04, 2008 10:19 PM (x5vUD)

108 Fox is calling Ohio for Obama. Including all the extra votes.

Posted by: SlaveDog at November 04, 2008 10:19 PM (H6Jyg)

109 OHIO called for Obaaaaaaaaaaama.. Stolen election ACORN style.

Posted by: doonuts at November 04, 2008 10:19 PM (7dM8y)

110 What the fuck is up with FOX?????????????????

Posted by: Rocks at November 04, 2008 10:19 PM (7rbe9)

111 Ohios gone.

Posted by: proudinfidel at November 04, 2008 10:19 PM (I3wpC)

112 Ohio gone. America has committed suicide tonight. God helpus, our families, our country, and yes, our civilization.

Posted by: SamIam at November 04, 2008 10:19 PM (jl7C/)

113 polls not closed across the United States. Since I was a kid I never saw the sense in calling states while other states were still voting.

Posted by: Mark at November 04, 2008 10:19 PM (EpUX6)

114 "Is it just me or is Britt Hume shit faced drunk?'

You'd be shit-faced drunk too if you were getting ready to get sent on a flight to The Hague with Bush-Cheney.

Posted by: Blazer at November 04, 2008 10:20 PM (+FzLa)

115 fucking hell. well, america is going to get what it deserves.

Posted by: av at November 04, 2008 10:20 PM (i6HJr)

116 Robert Heinlein was right....once America thought they could vote themselves free money, America as a concept was gone.

Posted by: geoff - anti-Harkonnen freedom fighter at November 04, 2008 10:20 PM (5r0Tz)

117 Mark Udall is from Boulder...think Ann Arbor or Santa Barbera. Or Moscow.

Posted by: Vercingetorix at November 04, 2008 10:20 PM (QaVQ6)

118 Oh.....................................................................fuck.

I need a drink. Another one.

Posted by: Techie at November 04, 2008 10:21 PM (EVMm7)

119 i wish the map looked like 1984

Posted by: doonuts at November 04, 2008 10:21 PM (7dM8y)

120

from campaign spot

McCain Overperforming the Exit Polls; Still Has a Shot at VA, NC, IN, FL

I've heard from someone who's comparing the exit poll data and the final polls and the actual results. The word is (surprise!) McCain is overperforming both. They conclude that while they can't call the states in any significant margin, they give McCain a serious shot of holding on to Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida. (There is an ominous comment about Indiana perhaps being vulnerable to last-minute Gary shenanigans.) They also note that as of 9 p.m., McCain actually leads the popular vote. Now, a lot of the country has to be thrown into the pile, but that doesn't quite scream landslide, at least not yet.

Posted by: Rob at November 04, 2008 10:21 PM (/Zcox)

121

Someone here has MSNBC on (in another room, thankfully), and Matthews was saying (if I remember correctly) that 1/3 of the people who voted for the Republican governor crossed over to Obama (based on exit polls). However, right now, with 64% of the precincts reporting for governor and 63% of the precincts reporting for president, the race for governor is 60-38. So the race for president should be about 40-58. It's not; it's 51-48. That sounds a lot like 15%, not 1/3. That's a huge error.

Yet somehow they are calling Pennsylvania based on exit polls. And Kerry won Philly 81-19 or so. Obama leads 76-23 (of course, it matters what neighborhoods have reported so far).

Posted by: Michael at November 04, 2008 10:21 PM (siOQ7)

122 Um...what do you mean it's GONE with only 10% reporting yet? How could Ohio be gone when it's got 90% to go?

Posted by: AnnieMcPhee at November 04, 2008 10:21 PM (l2YGo)

123 Wasn't it 200,000 fraudulent registrations in OH? unbelievable

Posted by: brak at November 04, 2008 10:21 PM (vvvWu)

124 My first paragraph (above) is about Indiana.

Posted by: Michael at November 04, 2008 10:22 PM (siOQ7)

125 We've got to all remember how the msm had Kerry winning in 2004. How late did they cling to that? Anyone remember? Because I am not buying into this bullshit at all.

Posted by: CB at November 04, 2008 10:22 PM (9Wv2j)

126 Yes, great coverage, Ace! I turned off the t.v. at 7:10 here in Texas, right around the time they started calling PA for O.

Posted by: Mury at November 04, 2008 10:22 PM (Htdcn)

127 And let us not forget that it's not simply that these networks are biased (which they undoubtedly are) but also that they want to be the ones that get the "big scoop" first, so they'll call a state without really knowing the answer because-hey, they've got a 50/50 shot and they want to be the first ones to call it.

Posted by: Alex at November 04, 2008 10:22 PM (4siCm)

128 OH was bought and paid for well in advance. I really hope those ACORN folks can sleep at night, knowing what damage they've done to our nation.

Posted by: Techie at November 04, 2008 10:22 PM (EVMm7)

129

oops missed the ohio call ... dang

Posted by: Rob at November 04, 2008 10:22 PM (/Zcox)

130 No it would be BAD if the map looked like 1984. Why? Because then, REPUBLICAN was blue and DIM was red - so let's say it would be good if the map looked like a REVERSE of 1984

Posted by: AnnieMcPhee at November 04, 2008 10:23 PM (l2YGo)

131

If Ohio is gone.... game, set, match.

Well, I've got some reading to catch up on. Now would be a good time to hit some of those Russian novels I've been looking at. Some Doestyevsky or some Shoylnetsyn.

Posted by: Lee at November 04, 2008 10:23 PM (Xb3DR)

132 lol Fox called NM for the O, but McCain is up by double

whatever.

Posted by: JarvisW at November 04, 2008 10:23 PM (8yPsP)

133

I was an observer in Wilmington Parish, Hanover County, VA. McCain had 69% of the vote. Probably not as impressive as it should have been, since Reagan won it by 79%.

But still, I'm glad I live where I live.

Posted by: pistolero at November 04, 2008 10:23 PM (hBUN7)

134 "Well, it looks like the problem is simple:

America's commie electorate."

Hey, you know what Christoph fuck you !!!!!!! You have alot of nerve waying in on our election from Canuckistan.

If this country goes commie, how long do you think it will be before we're all up there ramming lager bottles in and out of your asses?

Posted by: Blazer at November 04, 2008 10:24 PM (+FzLa)

135 I held off on buying a bottle of sparking wine because I was afraid I'd jinx us, although I was feeling pretty confident this week.

Should've gotten it anyway, I need the alcohol.

Posted by: Filly at November 04, 2008 10:24 PM (VLsit)

136 I still think the PA call is bullshit. And I'm not so sure about this Ohio call either. Especially with the rampant voter fraud there, and the tens of thousands of military ballots that haven't been counted.

So...when are they going to call Texas? Geez.

On the bright side, if Obama does win, it will be hilarious to watch the disappointment when people realize that their souls have not been healed and the oceans have not begun to recede.

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at November 04, 2008 10:24 PM (8CGjC)

137 I guess my 120 post doesn't matter much if Ohio is gone, unless the principle applies there too

Posted by: Rob at November 04, 2008 10:24 PM (/Zcox)

138 They call a state with less than 1 percent votes in!!!!!! What gives? Those fools in Chicago just milling around looking to start a crime wave. What the hell is happening. We gotta pay some loser's gas and mortgage.

Posted by: dunno at November 04, 2008 10:25 PM (VpIic)

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I'm working on my "thesis" of why the country has apparently shifted center/left...W is at the top of the list, but there are several reasons.

As the R's move further left, thanks in part to the smart folks who say we have to expand the party (Noonan, Parker, Frum, Buckly), we win fewer and fewer elections. Seems obvious to me, but then again, I'm not one of the smart folks.

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Posted by: The Hammer at November 04, 2008 10:25 PM (P89vv)

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"I was an observer in Wilmington Parish, Hanover County, VA. McCain had 69% of the vote. Probably not as impressive as it should have been, since Reagan won it by 79%.

But still, I'm glad I live where I live."

Highland Springs here, pistolero, keep the faith!!

Posted by: Blazer at November 04, 2008 10:26 PM (+FzLa)

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Posted by: Blazer at November 04, 2008 10:29 PM (+FzLa)

143 McCain camp waiting for more info from the rest of PA -- they aren't tossing the PA towel in yet.

Posted by: NM Hick at November 04, 2008 10:29 PM (v/ko2)

144 I am so fucked tomorrow...shrieking AA harpies will be dancing on the desks at the colleges where I teach...been battling them for weeks over this fucking election...the gloating is going to be nigh unbearable...I'd rather have wild dogs gnaw my liver.

Posted by: Milesdei at November 04, 2008 10:29 PM (ACHxk)

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Posted by: CB at November 04, 2008 10:30 PM (9Wv2j)

146 Local news update - McCain up in Texas something like 52-47 (1% for Barr). Didn't catch how many precincts reporting. Cornyn up 51-47 with 4%. Olson (TX-22) up 52-46 with <1% (so the more conservative areas of the Houston area haven't reported yet? I seriously don't get why they're not calling Texas).

Posted by: Mrs. Peel at November 04, 2008 10:31 PM (8CGjC)

147 Good luck with the harpies but the gloating will be nationwide and we will all have to deal with it

Posted by: doonuts at November 04, 2008 10:31 PM (7dM8y)

148 "I am so fucked tomorrow...shrieking AA harpies will be dancing on the desks at the colleges where I teach...been battling them for weeks over this fucking election...the gloating is going to be nigh unbearable...I'd rather have wild dogs gnaw my liver."

Wow, a college teacher that voted McCain/Palin,.........this isn't the un-repentant terrorists teaching at colleges in America know.

Posted by: Sincerely, your new Communist overlord, Barry at November 04, 2008 10:34 PM (+FzLa)

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Posted by: Mike H at November 04, 2008 10:34 PM (1V2sa)

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I'm done with cable news. I have 3 Ohio tv station websites going and it's O 55 - M 43 with 15% in.

Posted by: tom_06060 at November 04, 2008 10:39 PM (aiQeU)

151 Virginians are worried they will look racist if they answer truthfully. Floridians don't give a shit.

Posted by: pc at November 04, 2008 10:39 PM (S7zPk)

152 I'm in my office three blocks from Grant Park, and have to take the train home (commuter rail, not subway, thankfully). That is not good.

Posted by: Michael at November 04, 2008 10:40 PM (siOQ7)

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I have lived here ALL my life and am BAFFLED every year...I think NJ LIKES to get abused...its sooooo soooo sad

Posted by: christy at November 04, 2008 10:40 PM (MiEb2)

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Atleast the bolsheviks took Russia by force, we are doing this of our own accord...

Posted by: REMESSIS at November 04, 2008 10:41 PM (vI+iI)

155 CNN books Wyoming for McCain

Posted by: proudinfidel at November 04, 2008 10:43 PM (I3wpC)

156 128 OH was bought and paid for well in advance. I really hope those ACORN folks can sleep at night, knowing what damage they've done to our nation.

Posted by: Techie at November 04, 2008 10:22 PM (EVMm7)

Jolly right old boy.

This is why the right is getting it's ass thoroughly kicked. No balls. Not that I ever had any but it seems eerily similar to a South African mindset settling in. All those idiots had guns out the ass but went down without so much as a shot. And they weren't even the rightful sons of the country as is the case here. Stupid Republicans gave away the shop. Too busy making money to buy things to worry about the politics of their kids and parents. Those are the people that fuck you, Mr. and Mrs. Middle Class. The people you were supposed to look out for.

Posted by: pc at November 04, 2008 10:47 PM (S7zPk)

157

Remember this and give it time:

Guys, the PUMAs told us they were going to lie to the exit pollers. That's part of the game. They were well aware that the Obamamessiah told his supporters to run, not walk, to the pollers so that the news would get out that Obama was winning an "overwhelming" victory, thus discouraging people from turning out. They're just returning tit-for-tat, making sure that the only thing the exit polls will show correctly is how in-the-tank the media is for Obama.

I do not want to get on these folks' bad sides. They don't just want the Obamamedia humiliated, they want them crushed, ground into tiny pieces, and spread all over Chicago's drinking water system.

Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at November 04, 2008 10:07 PM (E3Yxq)

Posted by: syn at November 04, 2008 10:47 PM (qT/4Y)

158

I need someone to talk me back from the ledge. If this nation goes commie, I'm going to take my flag down and hang it upside down (signal of distress) for one day, then the next day take it down and fold it up reverently for storage.

This country is totally fucking fucked up and I certainly would understand members of the military not reenlisting. If the morons in this country won't elect a President who will preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, why should anyone else be expected to?

Posted by: pistolero at November 04, 2008 10:49 PM (hBUN7)

159 I've just closed my eyes again
Climbed aboard the dream weaver train
Driver take away my worries of today
And leave tomorrow behind

Chorus:
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Posted by: pc at November 04, 2008 10:50 PM (S7zPk)

160 How does PA end up more blue than NY, IL, or NJ??? That's what Fox has on their damned map right now, and it just doesn't compute with me.

Posted by: cthulhu at November 04, 2008 10:52 PM (qe4D8)

161 Not being Eeyore-ish, just being realistic:

Right now, PA has their unofficial returns coming in and it's not looking good for McCain. Obama appears to have about 60% of the popular vote with McCain having about 38%. Here's the thing: McCain IS leading in a few counties that are normally Republican strongholds. However, Obama has such blowout leads in the big cities (Pittsburgh, Philadelphia) that it's offsetting any counties that McCain may be winning.

With only 35% of precincts reporting, McCain still has a (long) shot.

I initially said McCain would win PA but now I think most Democrats just voted straight-party ticket judging by the way the statewide polls are going.

I still think OH should be contested. Especially if McCain loses by, oh say, 200,000...

Posted by: PUMAgrrl at November 04, 2008 10:55 PM (fhMY+)

162 USMC Nam Vet here....

My 3 flags come down tomorrow morning...mailbox, front door and 30ft pole in the back yard.

UP YOURS B HUSSAIN

Posted by: MDVet at November 04, 2008 10:55 PM (5ix0G)

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Fuck...

Presidential (last updated: 11-04-08 9:59 PM EST) Precincts Reporting 45% McCain (R) 696,207 37% Obama (D) 1,158,904 62%

Posted by: geoff - anti-Harkonnen freedom fighter at November 04, 2008 10:59 PM (5r0Tz)

164

Just watching as Iowa goes Obama I flash back to the Republican Party primaries, where Iowa was the first to force this nominee upon us. How do we reform this party's nomination process so that liberals don't tee up bogus nominees for us? That started this whole mess, with democrats crossing over to screw with our process and by the time they got to Virginia McCain had already secured the nomination, Fred had dropped out. Mitt had dropped out.

Can we initiate a weighting system based on percentage of Dem vs. Rep votes in the last presidential race? Why does Iowa, New Hampshire and Florida get as much weight as real Red States, of which VA is probably no longer one, nor NC.

We need some fresh ideas. The old stuff just ain't working anymore. Thompson/Palin or Romney/Palin would have smoked this turkey.

Thoughts?

Posted by: pistolero at November 04, 2008 11:07 PM (hBUN7)

165 I'm so disappointed in Hillary and Bill. I thought they'd help us defeat this guy.

Posted by: Thea at November 04, 2008 11:19 PM (N0hv7)

166

PA has been a tease for the GOP the past two elections. The same thing happened last time, where Bush spent a lot of money and effort in PA saying it looked close. They really thought they could win it. Well, it wasn't close as insane numbers coming out for Kerry in Philly swamped everything else going on in the state. The "Rendell Effect", it was called.

The Dems have an uncrackable lock on every major urban center and increasingly in their 'burbs, too. Not one of them is red, even in GOP safehavens like TX: Houston, Dallas, San Antonio = blue, blue, blue.

We've got to take on these "community organizers" in the urban centers and their environs; they are the heart of our opposition; Obama's background emphasizes this trend.

Organize, get involved in your communities, establish a basis for, hoy-vey!, "conservative action" as a viable agent at the local level.

My 2 cents!

Posted by: Cowboy at November 04, 2008 11:22 PM (0u7vW)

167 Ohio shows 75% votes in with McCain still leading at59%. What gives?

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