1 A shame Obama's kids didn't get to see her before she died.

-J

2
Sad indeed.  Makes me think of Johnny Fairplay though.

3

It's already the headline on all cable news media....the worst thing for McCain right now.

God Bless Obama's grandma...........may she rest in peace. She fought for America as a line worker in WW2, and at least she won't have to see what Obama does to her beloved country, the "typical white person" that she is, according to Obama.

 

4 Terrible news. May she rest in peace.

5 My prayers are with her.

6 I question the ti...no, no, no.

Rest in peace.

7 Hopefully, nor does anyone else.

May she rest in peace.  May God comfort her family.

8 Is this the "average white" Hawaiian grandma, or the one from Kenya?

9 Horrible. I'm hoping with all my might that the guy loses, but if he has to win, it would've been nice for her to have seen it.

10

if Obama didn't want to use her for political reasons, he could've easily withheld this till after the election.  Instead its being used to help him by the media now, we aren't allowed to criticize, etc. etc.

 

Yes, I question the timing.

11 It is sad. However, part of life.

I don't know what happens when we die (I have a guess), and while I don't know her views, she raised her daughter strong enough that she was in turn able to raise a capable and success-oriented son (who definitely has values I oppose).

That says something for her if what I typed makes sense. I realize I put it a bit convoluted.

12 I feel for Obama on this.  I think he needs some time to grieve.

I'd say about 4 years.

13
She died of injuries suffered from being run over by a bus.

14 Rest in peace. 

15 My sympathies to the Obama family.

16 Could be a Wellstone moment if this is politicized.

17 JP you are a dumbass hope this helps

18 Oh, and his 44-year-old Nevada Campaign Director died of a heart attack today.

19

Sad that she won't get to see his triumph if he -- gulp -- manages to win.

I don't think it will hurt McCain, though. I don't think any of the "undecideds" are going to change their mind because of this.

20 media will politicize, they'll play a clip of Palin bashing him this morning, then say "oh yeah, obama's grandmother died today"

21 It is being politicized, and Obama will benefit. Fucking eh....this could blunt our momentum. I respect Obama's grandmother, but Obama himself is a WORM ("What Obama Really Meant") extremist.

22 Well, he at least got to go see her before she went.  Pity, though.  No body likes death, except that gay radio guy in SF, but then, he only likes when Republicans die.

23 they will say his grandmother died because his grandmother did die you dumb fuck. stop acting as if he strangled her and grow a goddamn soul.

24 Condolences.

Now, vote McCain.

25 Ditto #19 - don't think this would be the clincher for the undecideds.
Death of a family member is always sad for those left behind but death is part of life and if you believe in God, then to quote "Death is the dimming of light because the dawn has arrived".

26 if Obama didn't want to use her for political reasons, he could've easily withheld this till after the election.

JP, with the entire media establishment knowing she was sick, how on earth could he possibly have withheld this information even if he wanted to?

27 Seriously, guys. There's no need to game this. Do you really, really want to start looking like the fever swamps of the left? I don't think so.

On the other hand I have to wonder the degree to which astroturfers will post comments on conservative blogs with the intent to paint a picture of "oh look at the callous and crazy conservatives!"

It's sad that she died at a time which will be rough for the Obama family, and may she rest in peace.

28 RIP, but why is this news?

29 MCCAIN-PALIN 309 OBAMA-BIDEN 229

http://tinyurl.com/677d5t

30 Very sad. However, right before the prime time news cycle? Frankly, can't help it...

31

After the stories about the relatives on Obama's other side, and my own personal comparisons to same, I'm not in too charitable a mood as regards Barack's family.  However, I'll mostly bite my tongue (risking the possibility that I'll soon enough be unable to express my opinions via internet, or any other means....)

I won't say the several bad things that came to mind (beyond what I posted on the previous thread.)  She seemed like a really nice lady.  I hope the kids got a good chance to know their great-grandma.  It's a special thing.  Really it is.

Having thus cushioned my comments, I still must add that he treated her like he treated the other nice old ladies in his life over the past year, which was neither exemplary, nor auspicious.

32 Thanks to ACORN, she is still eligible to vote tomorrow.

Too soon?


Seriously, my sympathies to her family.

33 God Bless her wonder if she died last week and they waited to say today

one more certificate from Hawaii Bureau of Vital Statistics to never be seen
I also see on Drudge Obummer Nevada Campign Mgr mysteriously dead in their 40s, and NV is the state in which Hillarys atty filed their open letter of complaint and has an open ACORN investigation

we PUMAS have nothing but suspicion for this Chicago Comine piece of work.

34 She deserved a better grandson.  Interesting that the AP report mentions her being thrown under the bus for Wright's sake...

35 My sympathies to the family, including the new found aunt.

36

Obama could've easily waited till tommorrow night or Wed. to let this out, kept it private.  instead its dominating the news cyclesnow, will McCain running any attack ads tonight or pull them now?

37 Very sad. However, right before the prime time news cycle?

The day before the election?

I totally question the timing. Do we know for certain she didn't pass away last week?

/yes, yes  I know I sound completely insane

38 Wall to Wall coverage on CNN and MsNBC so far.

39 Grandma and a campaign manager. I can hear the conspiracy theorists warming up.

40 so far a good half of the comments have been "condolences, but this was a really suspicious time to die from cancer" or "hopefully this woman's passing wont gain too much media attention!"

I hope you fuckers rot

41 Sad.

Did she get to vote early?

Sorry... couldn't resist.

42 Boy that fuckin' Axlelrod's a motherfucker huh? Has her clock punched on the 3rd? "The Chicago way".

43 Too soon?

Very much so.

44 yeah, I too, question the timing on this. Could this news come out at the the worst time?

45 I have had a parent, in-law, and all grandparents on all sides die.  It is part of life in this fallen age. 

It also has absolutely nothing to do with how incredibly inept he is to be POTUS, unless, of course, you wish to see a lot more and younger people die in the future from his incompetence (think terrorism, military).

46 i offer my condolences.

but i remain skeptical. call me cynical, but i can't help but find the timing suspicious. and it sure doesn't help that they won't tell us WHEN she died. they conveniently release this information on the eve of the election? coincidence? are we that gullible? tell me when she died and i'll drop it. and did anyone ever wonder why michelle and the girls never went to visit grandma? isn't that odd?

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081103/BREAKING01/81103073

47 "The statement did not say when Madelyn Dunham died or who was with her."

!

48 unless, of course, you wish to see a lot more and younger people die in the future from his incompetence (think terrorism, military).

Between shaking hands with our enemies and slashing the military, I thought he had that sorted...?

49

Profoundly sad news, I'm sorry for the family.

Now, will someone please deport the Aunt?

 

 

50 How old was she? I'm roughly Obama's age (43) and my last grandparent to die was back in 1991 and she was 78.

51 if you have responded to this news with the comment that "you find the timing suspicious"

DO THE WORLD A FAVOR AND BLEED PROFUSELY

52 By the way...all four of my Grandparents and both my parents have died too. Oh, and my main runnin' partner and closest bud died the 4th of July. He was two weeks older than me.

It's timing. It's bullshit. She probably died a week ago.

53

It's sad, and it genuinely must hurt.

 

 

And fellas, there is a time for political snark, but this isn't it.

54 I don't think this will change any votes.  I do, however, notice that the news stories are saying he "learned of it this morning" and nowhere does it state when she passed away.  It would be interesting to know.

55 I hope he doesn't attempt to make this some sort of campaign point, though.

He doesn't have to, that's what the MSM is for.

56 Hey ace, could you delete my first comment in this thread?

What was meant to seem like a mildly snotty observation of a hypothetical bonehead response to this news looks downright assholish stacked up against the real thing.

57

Numbers 12  and 13 are very funny.  When did he find out?  He was campaigning today, and yes, I, too wondered when he did not take his children to see her.  That seemed very strange to me.  So I also question the timing.  If anything, I feel bad for his daughters.  Having a great grandmother is a blessing, they may have wanted to see her agian.

The media can be counted to make it a big deal for Obama.  It does not matter.  I don't see how he could get a sympathy vote out of this since he did not think enough of the relationship to bring his wife and daughters to see her. 

58 I hope you fuckers rot

Posted by: leaner at November 03, 2008 06:01 PM (ttZbw)

But you guys have already "hoped" that on us already--simply for disagreeing with you over Obama's credentials to be POTUS.  Sorry, your out of luck--your hope fairy only grants one wish at a time.

59 #40 leaner - take a chill pill okay. No one here is feeling anything but sympathy for the whole family. However, this is not earth shattering news. If nothing else, the media should have the decency to not publicize this since in the family's own words, grandma was a very private lady. Since Barry has not used this as an excuse for anything, I'm giving him a pass. Unless Barry decides to halt all ads this evening, then McCain should consider following suit, out of respect. Since Barry does not seem to be slowing down, neither should McCain.

60  She died of cancer? But wasn't she "just" suffering from osteoporosis?
 How does one morph into the other?
 I'm sorry, but remember when he used his mother's death as in "I wish I could have been sitting by my mother's bedside instead of fighting with the evil insurance co.'s"??
 And then it came out that he didn't see his mom before she died...which is it?
Does this guy EVER tell the truth about anything?
 Sorry, but with this entire country's future on the line because of that shit Obama, and his pathological lies and commie connections I have a real problem feeling sorry for him at this moment.

 Yeah yeah yeah....rest in peace and all that.........
 I wouldn't feel bad about Castro's grandmother dying either....sorry. At least I'm being honest....Barry should try it sometime.
 Rip away............
 

61 She was 86. Not a bad run based on actuarial, that's beyond the average.

62 Has there been any statement about her death other than the one from Obama himself?

63 CNN HAS IT:

Dunham passed away peacefully at her home shortly before midnight Sunday night (5 a.m. ET), campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki told CNN. She said Obama learned of her death around 8 a.m.

The Democratic presidential candidate left the campaign trail on October 23 and flew to Honolulu, Hawaii, to spend the day with Dunham, whose health deteriorated after she suffered a broken hip.

64 Only problem is...we're right about this Lee.

65 The ends justify the means! 

66

Good golly.  Could this be any worse timing?

The guy is trying to ruin the coal industry and we find out about it at the last minute and then his grandmother dies as the media is hammering him.

Call me crazy, but sometimes I wonder if God isn't just screwing with me here.

Sympathy for the family as losing a family member is never easy.  But Barry still needs to go down tomorrow.  I don't want him dealing with his grief and continued soul searching in the WH.

67

Reminds me of The Omen. I wonder if she was trying to warn people about the sixes.

Disclaimer: Note, this joke(?) implies she was a good person, may she R.I.P. However, I cannot give any sympathy for a man I earnestly believe intends to destroy my beloved country and make it unrecognizable. Stalin, Hitler, and Ghengis Khan had mothers and grandmothers too, you know.

68 #41

Yes.  She voted early.  An interview a month or so ago confirmed that.  So, technically, a deceased individual has cast a ballot for Obama.

69

"tell me when she died and i'll drop it."

So now we need a copy of Granny Dunham's death certificate along with Trig Palin's birth certificate?

No, she held out as best she could to see her grandson become president, and missed it by (at least) a day (I'm hoping many years more than that, but ... whatever.)

Mrs. Dunham seemed like a really nice, open minded, accepting person.  Ditto many others in Obama's family circle.

The annointed Himself?  Not so much.

70

the Coal story is completely off Drudge now.

 

no chance it makes any nightly news now

71 I'm sorry for his loss and that of his daughters.  What timing, if she really died today.   God is in control.

72 No one here is feeling anything but sympathy for the whole family

no need to really elaborate on how you're wrong here.

73 leaner

You have a point, but these comments, while slightly paranoid, are quite civil compared to what you'd see on Kos were the tables turned. And I don't see how your own death wishes do anything to elevate the tone. Just sayin'.

74
Obama, the man who gives the finger to McCain, the Republicans, and half of America on the day his grandmother dies.

Personal or shared tragedy usually evokes compassion and empathy.  Remember how you felt after 9/11?  Remember how nice everyone was to each other?

Yet here is a man who all but says "FUCK YOU" to half the country on national TV.  As a father, how does he explain the gesture to his children?

In my mind this is demonstrative of some serious flaws in this man's character.

75 I called this a week or so ago. I knew he'd pull this crap the day before the election and he sure has. There is nothing he wouldn't stoop to for a vote. They probably yanked her life support this morning. That bastard.

76 I am truly sorry the lady died, I just don't buy the timing. Not for a second.

77

Nietzche:  'Will to Power'

would commies do something like this to gain power?  Is obama a commie at heart?  just saying...

78 Leaner - I am not wrong, young man/lady. Whoever you are, I am a heck of lot older and wiser than you, and I can tell you that just from your immature comments. Death is always sad but in this case, not unexpected. Criticisms here are mounted towards the timing and the media. If God forbid, it was McCain's 95 year old mother who was sick and passed on, do you think the lefties won't be asking the same questions? Grow up already.

79 You have a point, but these comments, while slightly paranoid, are quite civil compared to what you'd see on Kos were the tables turned.

yeah you're right its really only slight paranoia to think the woman's death was a strategic narrative control maneuver by the obama campaign. I was pretty out of line for even questioning the logic there hehe

80 Now the only people who know about the Coal story are Fox News and Drudge readers from earlier today.  MSM will never report now, to criticize Obama tonight makes  you look heartless....great timing for barry.  If he didn't manufacture this, God wants Obama elected IMO. possibly as judgement against us collectively.

81 74
Obama, the man who gives the finger to McCain, the Republicans, and half of America on the day his grandmother dies.

Personal or shared tragedy usually evokes compassion and empathy. Remember how you felt after 9/11? Remember how nice everyone was to each other?

Yet here is a man who all but says "FUCK YOU" to half the country on national TV. As a father, how does he explain the gesture to his children?

In my mind this is demonstrative of some serious flaws in this man's character.
Posted by: mr f at November 03, 2008 06:10 PM (qrzXj)

I agree

82

I'm sure she had seen a lot during her 86 years, and I'll bet her last moments were proud ones for many reasons.

My thoughts and prayers this evening go out to those she leaves behind.

83

My condolences. She lived a LONG FULL life into her upper 80s, which he should take comfort in. I just heard on Fox, that she passed away between 4 and 5 a.m. and he was notified at 8:00 am. I've watched him speak today at a couple of rallies (covered on Fox) and this news seems to have had no affect on him as far as his campaigning goes. he made no mention of it and did not act "off" in any way. Just saying, he seems to be taking it ok. 

It should not have ANY bearing whatsoever on our election tomorrow, to elect a president to lead our nation these next 4 years.

I enjoy your website Ace! Keep up the good work!

84 Well, just saying, if you're going to bring God into this, perhaps He just wanted to spare Toot the disappointment of seeing him lose.

85 This is going to sound crass, and I'm sorry if it offends you. 

People I don't know die every day.  Her death matters to me no more and no less than the death of any other person of no notoriety.  I am not saddened. I am not joyful.  Life happens.  The only pause this death will give me is the time I took to write this post. 

Since I have no love for Senator Obama, since I find him a despicable human being for his position on infanticide and for his estrangement from the truth, I'm not even inclined to offer faux condolences, or expressions of sympathy or empathy. I can, however, muster plenty of apathy.  I just don't care.

86 yeah you're right its really only slight paranoia to think the woman's death was a strategic narrative control maneuver by the obama campaign. I was pretty out of line for even questioning the logic there hehe

Posted by: leaner at November 03, 2008 06:13 PM (ttZbw)

Leaner, if anyone in my family died, the last thing I would be doing is making ANY form of political hay with it.  You just do not do it, as it cheapens the memory of the loved one.  Call it what you want, but I have been alive long enough to recognize a phony, and believe me Obama is phony from start to finish.

87 Sad. Now will ACORN arrange for her vote tomorrow?

88

The Family could've easily withheld this news, if she died last night as reported, to come out tommorrow after voting is over.  Instead now it is part of the election, dominates the News and keeps bad news for barry out.  It is perfect timing for him.

 

 

89 I, like God, do not play with dice and do not believe in coincidence.

90

Nothing is coincidental w/ Obama's campaign.  I'm not suggesting any foul play, and I offer condolences to the family.  But....this front page "Extra, Extra, read all about it" is meant to elicit last minute sympathy and to curtail any coal news reporting.  Not that I thought the MSM would do a just job of that.  They weren't going to.  So now his grandmother's death is plastered all over the news.  Perfect way to cover up any unflattering Obama news that needs to be addressed last minute. 

IMO, I doubt it will sway anyone.  Who will change or be inclined to vote for someone out of sympathy?  Wait, never say never.  There are boat loads of morons in this country.  However, what is bad about the timing is the pushing back of the coal comments.

 

91 I hope you fuckers rot Posted by: leaner at November 03, 2008 06:01 PM (ttZbw)

This is a political blog where the impending election is being discussed and how the death of Mrs. Dunham might affect it. It is not a condolences site. I am sure they are out there and you are free to express your condolences to the Obama family if you choose to. Now, go fuck yourself.

92 Bo hasn't gotten around to raising folks from the dead? Oh, he's lowering that expectation.

93 good point CB

94 awesome news gary!!

W00T!!

COME ON PUMAS AND GOP

WE ARE GONNA WIN THIS THING!

95 Posted by: Jazz at November 03, 2008 06:17 PM (hnq5i)

I agree with you. I've often been confused about the way people react when perfect strangers die.

96 I think it's actually the second dead person. Wasn't there already a dead person in Ohio who voted?

Seriously, the woman deserved to have her vote for her grandson counted. It is, after all, only HI. It doesn't hurt any.

97 I hope at some point in the near future the powers that be on this website and one's like it that, lets be honest, continually muster a sense of righteous outrage whenever disgusting remarks are made "on the other side" can control their indignant posturing and look back to this thread.

You are not the moral water carriers for anything, you stare into the abyss and throw punchlines out with "too soon?" disclaimers. You're not edgy or funny or even snarky. You are framing political talking points with your own pitiful lack of humanity.

98 good point, Seattle! Very nicely explained.

99

I question the timing of the Financial Crisis too.

 

the Minneapolis Fed released "Working Paper 666"(no shit, 666 really is the number), on "Myths and facts about financial crisis".  In it, alot of stuff is debunked and all the doomsday stuff was never going to actually happen.

 

here it is  http://tinyurl.com/5vxzbc

100 notropis:
So now we need a copy of Granny Dunham's death certificate along with Trig Palin's birth certificate?

Did I ask for a Death Certificate? Nope. A simple "time (or date) of death" would be sufficient. This has nothing to do with Grandma's likability or persona, but just a simple fact. It's Obama's secretive record with everything and the release of this information mid-afternoon on the day before the election that appears questionable.
The topic of Obama bankrupting the coal industry just shifted to his deceased grandmother. Planned or coincidence? Why didn't we hear about this during the morning hours? I am sorry for his loss, but I still find the timing suspicious. It would've been quelled if the initial statement said she died last night at her home.

101 leaner = astroturfer

102 leaner was the astroturfer who claimed to be undecided and then got super nasty last night and then crowed about having voted two weeks ago for Hussein and Biden, right?

103 #97
Stick a sock in it Francine.

104

"Unless Barry decides to halt all ads this evening, then McCain should consider following suit, out of respect. Since Barry does not seem to be slowing down, neither should McCain."

Excuse me?  No.  I'm sorry, and condolences to the Obama's but this election is more important than any one person.  McCain should not slow down tonight regardless of what Obama does.

105 I'm sure she had seen a lot during her 86 years, and I'll bet her last moments were proud ones for many reasons.

If she died of cancer, her last moments were withdrawn and painful. Sorry to be blunt, but I've seen too many people die from it to be sentimental.

106 "She died of injuries suffered from being run over by a bus."

Exactly what I was going to say.

She never asked for Obama to run for President so I feel bad for her and her family (less Barak), but for Obama I feel no mercy. He used her.

107 I can, however, muster plenty of apathy.  I just don't care.

If you truly don't care about O's feelings on the matter - and that's your right, of course - then why say anything at all?  Apathy implies you can't be roused to say anything either way.

It's perfectly reasonable to loathe Obama the man, his politics, his ideals, his goals, his attitude, and/or the very air he breathes.  I don't see why some need to extend this to anyone he touches, whether they have anything to do with what he is or not.  For god's sake, this is the same woman who we were cursing him for "throwing under the bus" not so very long ago.  If she was good enough for empathy then, why isn't she now?

And for those who are literally "questioning the timing," you're treading on the frayed edges of troofer psychosis.  This woman's been sick and sometimes shit happens.  Don't blow it up into anything you'd mock the shit out of the crazy lefties for suggesting if it happened to our side.

108 The only other time I've posted on this site was about a week ago. Call me what you want, I've early voted and I just think that to a certain degree the opinions warrant reading and to a certain degree make me fucking sick.

109

Quote- "I totally question the timing. Do we know for certain she didn't pass away last week?"

That was my first thought.

Obama doesn't seem to care to much about his relatives, so why the outrage by some folks over stating the obvious? His aunt lives in a slum, one brother in a halfway house in England and another brother a shanty in Kenya.

Obama could have lifted them out of their poverty with the slightest of efforts but has not. I feel sorry for the grandmother (God rest her soul) and the way Obama treated her while she was alive.

The woman who raised him, vice president of the Bank of Hawaii called a racist for political points.

I do question the timing, the record speaks for itself.

 

110 leaner = astroturfer (and not a very good one, just fuckin' tedious).  Sweetie, why don't you go on back to Kos or somewhere and wallow in sympathy for the Fraudulent One and let us do our thing.  You're spending a lot of time here for someone who is so repulsed by it all.

111 She was the only person in Barack's family who ever put his well-being above her own (abandoned by both parents, grandfather was an asshole).

112 You are not the moral water carriers for anything, you stare into the abyss and throw punchlines out with "too soon?" disclaimers. You're not edgy or funny or even snarky. You are framing political talking points with your own pitiful lack of humanity.

Posted by: leaner at November 03, 2008 06:22 PM (ttZbw)

Abyss?  What do YOU know of the abyss?  And who are you to be talking down to people you do not even know, and moreover, who you wish to rot in hell? 

113 Goddammit I forgot the italics in the quote.

Well, shit.

114 leaner, people die. Get over it.

Nobody wished ill on Obama's grandmother. Nobody really wishes ill on Obama [just that he loses, not his person or family]. It's sad. But do we all really need to grieve for Obama's grandmother? No. Wishes of peace are appropriate, not dumbstruck grief.

115 How convenient. I don't put anything past this guy. His grandmother could have been dead since last week and they decided to "announce" it today.

116 So, does an absentee ballot count if you die before the date of the election?

117

There is no political benefit to be made by talking up conspiracies about the timing of the release or what have you. Even if they were true. If anybody has any solid proof that politics entered into this, fine. But all I'm seeing here is unsourced conjecture.

Look at it this way.

Headline: Obama's Grandmother Dies, Conservatives Question the Timing.

Right now David Axelrod is saying, "Please don't question this campaign about Obama's gramdmother's death..... Please don't... Please don't throw me into the briar patch."

And some of you assholes actually think you're being clever. While you guys are investigating away on her death certificate, tell me what you find on Trig Palin's DNA while you're at it.

118 That's sad.  There is no need for political paranoia here.  Anyone dumb enough to vote for Obama because his grandmother died is already voting for Obama because they want a unicorn.  That being said, this is too bad for his kids and for Sen. Obama.  I still get choked up thinking about my grandmothers.

119 Kind of makes you think -- the MSM is all over the grandmother's death, but haven't brought up any of the pertinent news items re: Obama. Was the coal story reported anywhere besides the conservative sites and fox??? Give me a a break. I'm sure she was a lovely lady -- she would have had to be to put up with Barack. But is this major news??? I think not.

120 Wow what timing... these fucking people are absolutely sick.

121 This woman's been sick and sometimes shit happens.

Except, the extent of her illness was not reported. Just that she had broke her hip, was at home, and was not doing well. Maybe I missed it, but I don't remember hearing that she had cancer. So, yes, it was a surprise to me and I am sure to others.

122 The problem isn't the voters it's the media. This is all they are going to talk about tonight and probably all damn day tomorrow. No more issues because issues were getting bad for Obama.

123 If she died of cancer, her last moments were withdrawn and painful.

What's Obama's position on physician-assisted suicide for the terminally ill (more important, what were Mrs. Dunham's feelings on the subject)?   Death with dignity, ending the suffering, and all that. 

Horses, not zebras.

124 This circumstance occurs with everyone-common folk,political or famous.Not one person who romes this earth is exempt from death,regardless of stature.I think it's absolutely ridiculous that anyone would think he would use this for his political advantage.I also think that people should leave their political views out of this commentary.You're entitled to your views,but do you really think this is the time to express that when you're suppose to be giving your sympathy & condolences?Really,think about it.

125 funky chicken:  I agree with you. I've often been confused about the way people react when perfect strangers die.

I appreciate that.  I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything, but I generally think offering condolences for the deaths of undistinguished people who are unknown to me personally is a bit disingenuous on my part.

126 Except, the extent of her illness was not reported. Just that she had broke her hip, was at home, and was not doing well. Maybe I missed it, but I don't remember hearing that she had cancer. So, yes, it was a surprise to me and I am sure to others.

Yes, a lot of us are surprised.

No, that it was unexpected does not imply some grand conspiracy.  Nor should it, given what little is known.  Suggesting anything else at this point is counterproductive in the extreme.

127 My condolences to her family.

128 I hope she voted early.

Will the undertaker be able to cover those unsightly bus tracks?

Just askin'.

129

I hope he doesn't attempt to make this some sort of campaign point, though.

 

Obama wouldn't do that any more than he'd enable foreign nationals to donate him money in defiance of Federal law.

He threw her under the bus once.  How sad that Obama has awakened a rather unpleasant cynical streak in me.

130 Hey Leaner; if the shoes has to be on the other foot you're going to be kicked harder than Bush.

131 I had a friend, years ago, who practically had a nervous breakdown when Anwar Sadat was assassinated.  Crying and carrying on, just totally losing it.  Yet, when she got the news that her own grandmother had died back home in Argentina, pretty much nothing.  It was weird.

132 Rest in Peace.

<silence>

I'm over it. By the way, that chick from Roseanne just called and wants you to sponsor one of the millions of children starving to death in Africa because the socialist thugocracy there won't feed them. I'll think I'll save my hanky for them.

133 I generally think offering condolences for the deaths of undistinguished people who are unknown to me personally is a bit disingenuous on my part.

If you see no gain in acknowledging the passing of someone who would otherwise be an opponent - which some of us might mistakenly see as a nod to the idea that when you put all this political bullshit aside we're all still essentially human - then what's the harm in saying nothing at all?

134 I think it's absolutely ridiculous that anyone would think he would use this for his political advantage.

The Senators thought that, too...

135 Astroturfers -- this isn't a fucking condolence blog, as Seattle Sucks pointed out earlier. Don't come to our blog and lecture us on proper grieving etiquette. If you are so choked up about this lady, then I'm sure the Obama site or some other stupid liberal blog will be happy to hear your comments. Just run along.

136 Great. Sympathy vote+no more talk about that nasty "coal" problem=big trouble.

Oh, and, didn't Barry use her as an example of a racist?

137 Oh, and his 44-year-old Nevada Campaign Director died of a heart attack today. --Posted by: Benson

Seriously?

This day before the ballot death of Gramma, let her rest in peace. Still, an autopsy would determine any "help" given at this last moment.

138 Leaner.....geta grip.
 Why should anyone care about O's grandma  more than obama does himself? Hmmmm?
 Go back to The One and tell him what a tool you are....

 How about the down syndrome baby that [thanks to obama and people like him] was going to be left in a dirty linen closet [like so many others] to die ALONE?
 How about that?
 What? You think his grandma who got to live a very long life [though burdened by her lazy crazy husband and sleazy daughter] counts more than a baby that someone is choosing to kill?
 F- you....really.
 I'm sticking with my Castro's grandma thing.....and may I remind all of you with kids that when you raise them you have a responsibility to everyone to not produce another obama momma?

139

Hey leaner. Go ahead and play the blues if it will make you happy.

*another stolen Homer quote.

140 101 leaner = astroturfer

Leaner leans a bit too far to the Left, if ya know what I mean....

141 I think it's absolutely ridiculous that anyone would think he would use this for his political advantage.

What has Barack Obama done or said that gives you this impression?  I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm genuinely curious if I've missed something.

142 A loving & caring grandmother. RIP

143 Condolensces.

Leaner, cut the crap.  If it'd been McCain's grandmother, the left wouldn't be wondering if the news release was timed, they'd be wondering if McCain had her killed last night.

Now, if Obama were a Republican, the news reports would start like this:  "Barack Obama's grandmother, whom Obama referred to during his campaign as a racist "typical white person", died yesterday..."

Qwinn

144 They are kicking off the North Carolina BO rally with a Moment of Silence for Granny, it's heart wrenching listening to the sobs from the assembled Teamsters.

145 Christ! Major Garret on FOX just "used" the obama's grandma died thing to excuse obama not knowing where he was [again] when he was speaking.....Jesus Christ on crutches!
 Hey, leaner....guess who is using grandma's death as an excuse already???
 Go ahead....I'll wait...guess
 They even had a little *choke up* moment from Major suck-up about when Obama was notified...at 8 a.m. Yet Obama doesn't even seem remotely upset. Now why am I not surprised? The last person that knows the truth about him dies......

146 apotheosis:  If you truly don't care about O's feelings on the matter - and that's your right, of course - then why say anything at all?

I say it as a participant in a conversation about reactions to her death.  Some here question the timing of this news.  Some express sympathy.  Why is it wrong to contribute to the same discussion an opinion that says her death neither affects me nor inspires sympathy for her kin?

apotheosis:  Apathy implies you can't be roused to say anything either way.

Although close to the right interpretation, apathy does have a specific meaning - one which I knowingly employed.  I am apathetic as to her death, not the conversation. I wished to participate, and I am doing so.  Also, while I am not apathetic to your response, I'm not overly concerned about it, either - I expected some would not be happy with my contribution.  I also expected some might agree.  I've seem to have been proven correct.

apotheosis:  If she was good enough for empathy then, why isn't she now?

Are you asking this about me, individually, or about the collective "us" here at AoSHQ as a whole?  I never expressed any of empathy for her while she was living, and I don't know as I could - I've never been tossed under a bus by someone close to me.  As to the second part of your question, empathy for the dead is impossible - at least on this side of death.  To clarify for you, too, the empathy to which I referred was for Senator Obama, and I have none for him for precisely the reasons I stated. 

If you were asking the question in relation to us as a community here at AoSHQ, I won't presume to speak for anyone else here at the AoSHQ on this matter.

147

I have already commented (and kindly #83) but after reading so many commenters expressing that she was a "good woman" - I wonder if you all are aware that Stanley and Madelyn Dunham were extreme in their day and were communist sympathizers who actively sought out marxist/communist extremists just as Barack has in his life.(GOOGLE!) They raised their child Ann (Barack's mother) in a liberal environment and obviously encouraged her toward communistic sympathizing as well. His grandfather Stanley was steeped in communism. These people are NOT GOOD PEOPLE!  The Dunhams were anti-American, the Obamas (Sr and Ann) were anti-American, and judging from the company Barack has kept his whole life, it's safe to say he (along with his wife Michelle) is also anti-American!

I've also seen questions about the relationship of Barack's family, with his grandmother. From all public info, it appears they had no relationship. I know what he says about his childhood with his grandparents in his books, but it really doesn't appear that they have had a close relationship throughout his adult life. And don't forget how as a young boy, he separated himself from his mother's race.

Since the (not unexpected) news seems to have had no affect on his campaigning today, I say FIGHT ON!!

_./’\._¸¸.•¤**¤•.¸.•¤**¤•..•¤. .

*•. .•* * McCain*Palin ‘08 Country First

/.•*•.\ •¤**¤•.,.•¤**¤•.,.•¤**¤**. .

 

148 For all those questioning our questioning of the timing, wasn't it Bambam himself who said 'he didn't think she would live to see the outcome of the election'?  And if that was what he truly believed, why was his wife out campaigning for him, and his kids still in school while he was seeing his 'toot for the last time'.  I'm sorry, but when my Grandma was on her deathbed (something we weren't even sure of at that time) 8 years ago, we pulled the kids out of school and drove 4 hours to see her 'just in case'.  THAT is what loving families do...
Suspicions aside, RIP Granny Dunham

149

150 Precious little in politics happens by chance so don't think for a minute this information was released without purpose. Now whether Dear Granny died Sunday, or 10 days ago; from cancer or a broken hip or some other cause is simply irrelevant. The fact that the Obammunist chose to release this information the afternoon before the election is the real issue. It was released to dominate tonight's news cycle and to attempt to mitigate the damage being done to his campaign by the waffling on the welfare threshold and the bankrupting coal story.

I would bet that the Obama campaign didn't know which skeleton would break in the last week. But they certainly knew as many skeletons as the Obammunist has locked away, something would break and that they would need a diversion, or better yet a sympathy play to alter the news cycle.

The timing of this is cold, calculating.....frankly despicable, and it once again demonstrates why an Obama regime is frighteningly dangerous and would devastate this country.

Now go vote dammit!

151 apotheosis:  [T]hen what's the harm in saying nothing at all?

And what's the harm in acknowledging the fact that when people you don't know die that you're unaffected by it, especially in a forum where people are discussing their reactions to the news?  I haven't wished ill on anyone; I've simply stated and implied that this news is completely devoid of any impact on my life and on my perceptions of this race. 

152 Interesting, or is it scary? Republicans just mirror each other, no matter how they try to be appear humane behind phony smiles, offering phony condolences, or still just rip the guy apart. They have a hard time covering what's real: Their Hatred. Add black to that and you have a formula for crazed and running scared. So what's to do? Find smear, and if you don't have any make it up! .
...even when a human being loses a Grandmother, who was like a Mother to him, knock him down more. It's just wild, you can't make this stuff up. I remember crazy right-wing talk show hosts saying he was going back to Hawaii to find his real birth certificate...she wasn't reeeeeely dying. An air of delusion has set in. Sort of like zombies, not supporters.Let me straighten that out...here's one thing you can believe about Barack Obama ----on Wednesday morning, your hatred and smear will have finally WON! Won...the first black American a seat in the White House! Knock yourself out with all the nastiness, the die has been cast THANKS TO YOU! But watch and wait, you'll be eating your words, he's going to change this nation for the better and you'll still reap the harvest, though you thought ill of him.
"Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time.
We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek." Obama 08

153 BTW is does Granny get her own plot or  the New Collective's Green Friendly Energy Friendly Common Grave.

154

Posted by: Pat at November 03, 2008 07:07 PM (hCLGC)

Yes, just like the outpouring of affection from the Left when Tony Snow died, or when Dick Cheney's heart was acting up, or any other time a conservative falls ill to fortune.

Get off your high horse.

155 The ever-pusillanimous Christoph is over at Hot Air's dead granny post trying to get people banned for making snarky comments.  What a tool . . .

156 Obama flies to Hawaii, tells the doctors to put her on life support long enough to last another couple weeks, I'll call and tell you when to pull the plug. Axelrod calls today, pull it.

157 Pat, you just couldn't help yourself with all that Mother Russia imagery, could you?

".....you'll still reap the harvest,...."

As for nasty, I'll say this....what's happening here in the questioning of the timing of the release of this information is legitimate and nothing compared to the insidious attacks on Gov. Palin and her family by your Kossack ilk. Your Leader could have chosen to grieve in private, release this information on Wednesday. But no.....he released it today for political expediency; just like he used Ayers, Wright, and all the rest.

I for one am not waiting on your leader or anybody else. I will take care of my family and myself. Now may Dear Granny rest in peace and may your leader rot in hell.

158 Sad, and kind of surprising. I've long heard that very ill people rather will themselves to live through an important occasion (birthday, holiday, anniversary, etc.)

If Chimperor JugEar McCastroFuehrer does win or steal the election tomorrow, she should've been there.

Rest in Peace, madame.

Cordially...

159 I haven't wished ill on anyone; I've simply stated and implied that this news is completely devoid of any impact on my life and on my perceptions of this race.

I assume you do realize that as responses to word of someone's death go, a shrug is generally interpreted in a negative way?

The point being, even if you don't give a fuck - again, a reaction which you're perfectly within your rights to hold - I don't see what's gained by telling everyone you don't give a fuck.  At best it's a neutral reaction, at worse it brings out and encourages more of the same from others.  And either way, it's far more likely to be interpreted as deliberate callousness; certainly there can be no doubt that it'll be interpreted (loudly and repeatedly) in just that way by those who stand to gain by painting us as a bunch of soulless assholes.

Yeah, I know.  They're going to think of us that way regardless.  But why prop up their conclusions?

160 Admiral, what makes you think Obama "released it today"?

You've been convinced that he is in complete control of reality, haven't you, and that he's in charge of obituaries as well as op-ed pages?

You really are a moron.  I thought it was just the usual smack talk all around the internet, but it's true, you really are a moron.

161 They have a hard time covering what's real: Their Hatred. Add black to that and you have a formula for crazed and running scared.

RACIST! LOL...yes, I lolled.

Let's face it: you idiots got nothing besides the RACIST(!!!!11!!!1!!!eleventy!!1!) charge which you'll roll out everytime you get your panties in a fucking bunch.

But you know what is racist, bitch? How about saying that the Ay-rabs cannot figure out democracy, or that black people cannot get by on their own without the State's happy hands down their pants, or that white people are to blame for every drug sold on every street corner and every bullet in every gangbanger from East LA to Boston?

No, don't get up, sister, because you're not gonna pull the sexist charge on me either, sweetheart, because your own Messiah - He who shall make the seas fall and begin the transnational transgender healing - calls women 'sweetie', and you do nothing, while your own ex-president (Clinton, sorry, PUMAs) abuses interns in the oval office, and everything is jake for you. And then there is Palin who your side has smeared so grotesquely.

I'll see your charge of racism with one finely ground full length mirror and up the ante with a counter-charge of stupidity. Now go play in traffic. 

162

@ Pat (152)

Feel better? Good.

Now burn the road up, because you are BORING THE FUCK OUT OF US.

163 Apropos of nothing, and on a lighter note;  It's my Grandma's birthday today.  She's 101.

Life goes on.

164 I repeat:  If McCain's mother had died tonight, 90% of the nutroots would be completely convinced that McCain had her killed in a "desperate bid to save his losing campaign".  This would be so inherently obvious to them as the only logical possibility that they would file lawsuits demanding a criminal investigation.

I would bet 20-1 odds - meaning I'd bet $200 for every $10 return - that everything I said in that paragraph would absolutely, positively be the nutroot's reaction.

To be lectured by nutroots denizens that what's getting posted -here- is full of "hate" is beyond parody.

Qwinn

165 160:

You fucking kidding, right? You're awfully naive to think that campaigns don't have control over what's released and when, especially your chairman's campaign with help from a surrogate state media carrying their water.

Please stop boring us and return to your nut-root-o-sphere.

166 I've early voted and I just think that to a certain degree the opinions warrant reading and to a certain degree make me fucking sick.
Posted by: leaner at November 03, 2008 06:26 PM

Did you know that Obama was planning to bankrupt the coal industry and treat everyone to energy price shocks before you voted for him?

I you did, then you're an idiot.

If you didn't, then you're an idiot.

167 apotheosis:  I assume you do realize that as responses to word of someone's death go, a shrug is generally interpreted in a negative way?

For someone I know, sure.  For someone don't, I don't think it says one thing or another.  The emotional obligation you're imposing on me is to feel bad for every person who has ever died. I don't have the emotional currency or interest to do so, and the suggestion is patently absurd.

apotheosis:  The point being, even if you don't give a fuck - again, a reaction which you're perfectly within your rights to hold - I don't see what's gained by telling everyone you don't give a fuck. 

I would agree that not everything that can be said necessarily should be said.  However, this discussion has incorporated people's reactions to the news of Mrs. Dunham's death.  I would assert again that my comment is not out of place here in the context of that discussion.  Once again, in the context of a discussion of reactions to someone's death, explain to me why only expressions of sympathy and empathy are appropriate?

apotheosis:  And either way, it's far more likely to be interpreted as deliberate callousness;

That's a personal choice on the part of the reader.  I've kept my comments neutral in tone and have advocated no hatred toward anyone. I have expressed my reticence to extend sympathy and empathy to Senator Obama based on his blatant disdain for the value of human life and his estranged relationship to the truth.

apotheosis: Yeah, I know.  They're going to think of us that way regardless.  But why prop up their conclusions?

And why be intimidated by what people might say?  Why let fear of criticism inhibit honest communication?

168 Judging by the comments posted, the Ace of Spades must be proud indeed.

169 I dunno, Jazz, perhaps it's just me.  Either I'm not adequately expressing the point or it's invalid in the first place.  I don't deny your right to contribute whatever opinio you hold, but I suppose I just can't see what "so what" adds to the conversation, despite its honesty.

In your summation you ask why fear of criticism should inhibit honest communication, but earlier you agree "not everything that can be said necessarily should be said"  If not, why not?  If it's an honest reaction, and a neutral one as far as you're concerned, at what point do you start caring about anyone else's interpretation?

170 The ever-pusillanimous Christoph is over at Hot Air's dead granny post trying to get people banned for making snarky comments. What a tool . . .
Posted by: CB at November 03, 2008 07:12 PM (9Wv2j)

Yep.

171 Condolences to the Senator and his family.  May she rest in peace.

172 It is of course sad whenever anyone dies, and she lived a long life.  I hope to make it into my 80s myself, though the odds are far better that I'll go "WHOMP" on the kitchen floor and not ever know WTF just happened.  Indeed she's in a better place, but I must correct a previous comment:

she fought for America Stalin as a line worker in WW2

At least Stalin was an ally at the time.  This entire genetic code is hardwired communist and socialist and radical.  I have serious doubts about her fighting for apple pie and hot dogs.  It is one thing to speak ill, and another to discern fact.

173 apotheosis:  I suppose I just can't see what "so what" adds to the conversation, despite its honesty.

It adds another valid dimension to a discussion.  One other regular contributor agrees with me, and I'm sure others that haven't spoken do, too.  As I've stated, I don't expect everyone to agree with me. 

Personally, I don't see the value of expressing on an anonymous website condolences to a decedent's kin, especially when there's no personal connection with the decedent and the likelihood that the persons to whom the feelings are directed will ever see them is nearly nil. What do these expressions add?  To my way of thinking, these expressions are cacophonous and without effect.  I don't say this to insult the people making them, I'm just trying to convey my own position:  The expressions of sentiment are of no effect and would likely mean little to the intended recipients, because there's no personal relationship between the decedent and the remote mourners.

apotheosis:  In your summation you ask why fear of criticism should inhibit honest communication, but earlier you agree "not everything that can be said necessarily should be said"  If not, why not?

My point about "not everything that can be said necessarily should be said" was intended to interpreted in relation to context.  Blasphemy in a church is allowed but not necessarily prudent.  The same statement in the context of a discussion of blasphemies is much more appropriate.  That's how I view my contribution here.   The portion of the conversation in which I engaged pertained to reactions to the news of Mrs. Dunham's death.

I knew my position would likely not be popular with some, but I didn't make the statement to be inflammatory.  (BTW, I appreciate the calm demeanor with which you've engaged me.)  I see an incongruity between making an honest statement while knowing it will be unpopular for the purpose of contributing to a discussion, and making a similar statement with the same knowledge for the purpose of offending someone.  The second is the sort of statement for which I would expect and encourage restraint - I certainly aspire to behaving likewise myself, although in my human condition, I've managed to fail on occasion.

174 Some brain-fried libtards will vote for him out of sympathy.

175

Ok, This it terrible for me to say. But the timeing? I wonder if she was on life support and they pulled the plug this morning? I know I am bad... But it just shows what this election has done to me... So  cynical I have become....

By the way she was a confessing Athiest..............RIP

176 Sad happening...

...and I REALLY hope this country doesn't turn out and sympathy vote like it has in the past...

...like with Sonny Bono's wife...

...or Mel Carnahan's...

177 RIP.
I personally cannot give up politics for a stranger who lived a full life.  There are 4.6 billion people on this Earth and with a average life expectancy of 64 years there will be 282, 000 deaths per day.  To shed a tear for each one at 18,000 drops per gallon will require 15.6 gallons of tears per day.  You would die in less than a day.

What I will cry for is the 100,000,000 people who have died needlessly of malaria since DDT was banned based on bad politics and bad science.   That is the type of mega-deaths the man made global warming fanatics are going to create.  It has already started with the bio-fuels causing starvation.   These are the type of policies that Obama in his arrogance and ignorance is going to implement.  I hope what we are doing here will prevent this and help everyone to have the best chance to live full and happy life.

178

152 Interesting, or is it scary? Republicans just mirror each other, no matter how they try to be appear humane behind phony smiles, offering phony condolences, or still just rip the guy apart. They have a hard time covering what's real: Their Hatred. Add black to that and you have a formula for crazed and running scared. So what's to do? Find smear, and if you don't have any make it up!

Pat, when Tony Snow died, I paid him tribute at my blog and the very first comment was that of a Lefty troll calling him and me right-wing-partisan hacks.  Was that because Tony was black?  Or perhaps it's because I am.

Be so kind as to stuff your holier-than-thou condescension.

I'm sorry that Obama lost his grandmother, however.

179 I guess our approaches just differ, Jazz.  Perhaps I'm too concerned about appearances, even while knowing that appearances matter very little to the opposition.  The "shrug," or the appearance of it, seems unnecessary to me, but I don't hold any illusions that my perceptions should dictate anyone else's behavior.  And if you say you had no malice, I will accept you at your word.

I can't say I agree with your approach, but at least we can disagree respectfully.

180 Snookered, that was a very righteous post.

181 I knew she would pull this shit.....
Anything to give him a boost.

182 This is unbelievable, in that it is not believable. We're talking about a bunch of monkeys at a keyboard here trying to punch out "Hamlet". What are the odds of this?

I'm just stupid speechless astounded.

Is there a celestial hard-on for GOP defeat this season?

What gives?

183

I read many comments, and I know for a fact ninty percent of you are rednecks, poor and uneducated, your pissed because your life is piss poor.How to you feel having a black president.

184 Do you know what the really sick thing is? While we are casting about trying to figure out how to be condolent, those stinking leftists are high-fiving this death. Yes! This death is a public good! This death helps our cause!

They are out there saying as much, with no doubt. They are loving this death.

It's really, really sick.

185 Murtha?

186 Mry, us unedjucated rednecks spell "ninty" as "ninety". We also do not use the pronoun "your" when we mean to use the contraction "you're". We also formulate questions well. Your question, "How to you feel having a black president." is better expressed in this grammatical fashion: "How do you feel having a black president?"

Just sayin'. By the way, how do you feel having a socialist president?

187

Its amazing when a black man is intelligent, you a white man will say he's aggrogant, when you have a high self esteem of yourself, when there is self worth in your life, you have manage to have an outstanding education, and you have God in you life, you don't turn corners looking for someone to tear down, people like you, that have none of these qualities are force to turn those corners finding someone beneath your zero, knowing that its impossible, you turn to race because that all you can do, so does it make you feel better that you are a poor excuse of existence, Its people like you, that when Mccain spurrs out lies about Obama you can't wait to believe it because finally I have an excuse, at least be honest, don't be a coward admit your a racist, take that unuse energy that you waste talking negative about Obama and spend that time getting a education.

188

Well hell cowboy, didn't you know thats how rednecks understand grammer, by the way you misspell educated.

189 mry, which madrassa did you attend?  Something in downtown Detroit?

Go back to Kos, you're not ready for primetime, babe.

190 You know mry, I'm plenty ready for a black president. J.C. Watts, Michael Steele, Walter Williams, Deroy Murdock, and the esteemed Thomas Sowell would do just fine. I'm just not ready for a Marxist president.

191

your a racist

My/Our a racist?

mry,

Stop embarrassing us.

192

grammer

:::sigh:::

193 mry, it's not your fault.  They should've told you that conservatives don't really understand ebonics.  And, no, I'm not just being "aggrogant" here, you fucking stooge.

194

By the way Cowboy if you don't have a income of a million plus you already have a socialist president, what do you think the 700 billion bail out was about. its no difference, just one, instead of it spreading down it spreads up, you know to the rich, so let me see its alright to enforce a socialist act when it benefit the rich, but when you spread it down its called socialism.

195 Most conservative are Ass Holes,  You know like you!

196 Admiral,  You said you wouldn't mind a black president like J.C. Watts, did you know he endorse Obama?

197 Um, mry, if you don't like us, what are you doing here?  Besides demonstrating your ignorance, I mean.

Leave the cowboy alone.  Fuck with me, bitch.  I'll give you that ass-whuppin' you appear to be craving.

198 mry, you're just plain wrong. Watts said back in the spring that he was considering Obama but never officially endorsed him. And he had this to say in an editorial on October 10 in the Pahrump Valley Times.

"Count me as one of the millions of Americans who was excited about John McCain's selection of Governor Palin."

I'm having a hard time seeing a true conservative who's an ordained minister voting for your Godless Marxist.

199 Yeah, that's what I thought . . .

200 I hope at some point in the near future the powers that be on this website and one's like it that, lets be honest, continually muster a sense of righteous outrage whenever disgusting remarks are made "on the other side" can control their indignant posturing and look back to this thread.

You are not the moral water carriers for anything, you stare into the abyss and throw punchlines out with "too soon?" disclaimers. You're not edgy or funny or even snarky. You are framing political talking points with your own pitiful lack of humanity.

Leaner,

I don't feel very charitable tonight. Yes, sad for the family the BHO's gran died, but yes, that news could have been withheld from the media for 24 hours. It is an obvious ploy, maybe not by Obama, but by the MSM to garner a "sympathy" vote, and as mention, to shield Obama from any last minute critisism.

You have not been here that long to really judge this website. We have often kept a civil tongue when tragedy befells someone on the Left (Ted Kennedy's tumour being the most recent example.)
BUT we ARE highly suspicious of Obama and/or the MSMs manner in which this news of her death has been distributed.

Do not think for one moment that the Left, if given a chance, WILL attempt to use such a tragedy for their own political purposes...we have LONG memories of the whole Paul Wellstone memorial business, as well as even recently, Rosa Parks memorial and the hostility towards Bush et al when he brought his kind words and sympathies.

Frankly, I think the Left could use a little of it's own medicine, but in the end, we really won't go so far as to wish someone to die, like, for example, the many, many examples from the Left (Tony Snow, for example when HE was diagnosed with cancer, and, frankly, your own "bleeding/rotting" example...and lest I forget, Ronald Reagan's funeral...what viciousness we heard from the sinistrophere!)

If you can hang with the morons here, Leaner, then fuck off and leave. You shall not be missed, nor morned.

201 Corrections to above:

"Do not think for one moment that the Left, if given a chance, WILL NOT attempt..."

and

"If you can't hang with the morons here..."

202 My previous quote:
"Do not think for one moment that the Left, if given a chance, WILL attempt to use such a tragedy for their own political purposes..."

And then,

They are kicking off the North Carolina BO rally with a Moment of Silence for Granny

And so, here we go, right on schedule...

203

hiloelec@co.hawaii.hi.us

Hello,
It has come to my attention via all major news organizations in the State of Hawaii, and Nationally that a voter in Hawaii has passed away today and I would like to confirm that her absentee vote will be invalidated according to the laws of the State of Hawaii.

Information is as follows:

15-13 Death of voter prior to opening of polls. Whenever sufficient proof is shown
to the clerk that an absentee voter who has returned the voter's return envelope has died
prior to the opening of the polls on the date of election, the voter's ballot shall be deemed
invalid and disposed of pursuant to section 11-154. The casting of any such ballot shall
not invalidate the election. [L 1975, c 36, pt of §3; am L 1976, c 106, §4(6); am L 1980, c
248, §1(i); gen ch 1985]

Voter
Dunham, Madelyn L1617 S Beretania St, Apt 1008
Honolulu, HI 96826-1112
(80 949-2317

Death notices trimmed for this post

204 Sent that to the county voter registar in Hawaii. Gotta make sure the law gets followed, and her vote gets shredded (if any)

205 They have a hard time covering what's real: Their Hatred. Add black to that and you have a formula for crazed and running scared.

That, right, everyone...once again, if you question Obama/the MSM and their motives, you are...

(say it with me, everyone)

R-A-C-I-S-T!

Run along, little Astroturfer, and if not giving two shits about someone I've never heard of until the past week, then fine, fuck you, I'm "racist".:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9CSnlb-ymA

206 And some of you assholes actually think you're being clever. While you guys are investigating away on her death certificate, tell me what you find on Trig Palin's DNA

Probably Andrew Sullivan's drool...

207 ...or Mel Carnahan's...

Or Joe Biden.

208 Is there a celestial hard-on for GOP defeat this season?

What gives?

My hard cynnical cock shoved straight up your weak-sphincstered arsehole.

Any more fucking questions?

No?

FYNQ

209 How to you feel having a black president.

We already had one, "Bill Clinton", so says Toni Morrison.

Do you have a few hours to listen to how I feel about him?

No?

Then FYNQ

210 I read many comments, and I know for a fact ninty percent of you are rednecks, poor and uneducated

You forgot the "clinging to our guns and bible" spiel.

Oh, look! Me, a "poor unedumacated" redneck who knows words like "spiel". It's amazing how I can post here, since I can't afford electricity.

Crank that generator faster, Harold!

211 Can't you people save the vitriol for another thread?  This woman worked in an armaments factory in WW II helping the war effort.  Let her rest in peace and save the crap for other threads.

212 Its amazing when a black man is intelligent, you a white man will say he's aggrogant, when you have a high self esteem of yourself, when there is self worth in your life

Hey, gang:

You get the feeling that this person lecturing us is rather like a dolphin lecturing a human on the processes of building a house?

213 Its amazing when a black man is intelligent, you a white man will say he's aggrogant, when you have a high self esteem of yourself, when there is self worth in your life, you have manage to have an outstanding education, and you have God in you life, you don't turn corners looking for someone to tear down, people like you, that have none of these qualities are force to turn those corners finding someone beneath your zero, knowing that its impossible, you turn to race because that all you can do,ed: Good grief, do you own stock in commas? so does it make you feel better that you are a poor excuse of existence, Its people like you, that when Mccain spurrs--ed: try "spouts" out lies about Obama you can't wait to believe it because finally I have an excuse, at least be honest, don't be a coward admit your a racist, take that unuse energy that you waste talking negative about Obama and spend that time getting a education.

Re: the last clause in the endlessly long comma-spliced statement...

"Judge not, lest shall you be judged."

Jesus of Nazereth, community organiser.

214 Most conservative are Ass Holes, You know like you!

And...?

215 Can't you people save the vitriol for another thread? This woman worked in an armaments factory in WW II helping the war effort. Let her rest in peace and save the crap for other threads.

The only vitriol I have right now are for these Moby-Axelrod-Astroturfing fucksticks on this thread.

As has been mentioned before, THIS IS NOT A FUCKING CONDOLENCE BOOK FOR THE OBAMA FAMILY.

216 Love your God with your whole heart, your whole mind, and your whole soul.  Love your neighbor as yourself.

These are the two commandments upon which all others are based.

Jesus Christ - carpenter and savior of mankind.

Maybe we need a little of the second commandment on Wednesday of this week.

217 Maybe we need a little of the second commandment on Wednesday of this week.

2. You shall have no other gods before me
You shall not make for yourself an idol

Tell this to the Obamabots.

218 Why do conservatives think that we consider Obama a savior , or God, or godlike.  I certainly don't.  He is just another poor human stupid enough to want to be president; I certainly wouldn't want the bullshit.  No, one savior is enough for me, and the world.  Chesire, I may be a troll, but I am a polite one.  Would your grandmother not think you could use other language to better convey your point, without use of foul language?

219 Why do conservatives think that we consider Obama a savior , or God, or godlike.

Gee, I have no idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtGrp5MbzAI

http://tiny.cc/5JjOr



I certainly don't. He is just another poor human stupid enough to want to be president; I certainly wouldn't want the bullshit. No, one savior is enough for me, and the world. Chesire, I may be a troll, but I am a polite one. Would your grandmother not think you could use other language to better convey your point, without use of foul language?

Frankly, today I'm tired of being polite, especially with all these idiot one-timer Mobys showing up on the site, so if I was a bit snarky to you, well, I'm sorry.

As for my gran, who do you think taught me how to curse in the first place?

220

May God welcome her and comfort her family.

It also needs to be said that Obama went to a church whose pastor believes in a God who doesn't welcome white people.

Lets hope he finds comfort anyway.

221

Apparently Obama's Grandma didn't just die naturally, they pulled the plug yesterday. I have been in this situation and know that the family decides when to remove life support.

I am sorry for Madelyn having cancer and do thank her for her service in WW2 but her grandson would stoop at nothing to manipulate the masses.

Obama's Grandmother Dies On Eve Of Election

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) ¯ On the eve of the biggest day of his political life, Barack Obama says his grandmother died Monday.

Obama flew to Hawaii last week to place his 85 year-old grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, 85, on life support.  The Illinois senator said he left the campaign trail with less than two weeks remaining before the election because his grandmother was ill and near death. Her brother has said she recently fell and broke a hip.

The Democratic presidential candidate announced in a joint statement with his sister Maya Soetoro-Ng that his instructions to pull the plug election eve were followed and his grandmother died peacefully after a battle with cancer.

He said: "She was the cornerstone of our family, and a woman of extraordinary accomplishment who rescued Barack from his birthplace in Kenya,  She was the person who encouraged and taught us how to work the system, get folks to do what we wanted them to do, and how to hook up with un-American organizers."

The candidate learned of her death Monday morning while he was campaigning in Jacksonville, Fla. Following his death march plan, he went ahead with campaign appearances.

Obama told ABC's "Good Morning America" in an interview broadcast recently: "Without going through the details too much, she's gravely ill, and we’re planning it so she won’t make it to Election Day to get the sympathy vote."

"We're all praying and want to make sure that I don't miss that opportunity."

Obama has said he missed the chance to milk his mother’s death and wasn't going to repeat that mistake. Dunham was staying at her Honolulu apartment.

While campaigning for the U.S. Senate and for president, Obama often made up warm, loving stories about his grandmother. His Philadelphia speech about race relations, in the wake of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright fallout, was different. He said she was frightened to see black men approaching her on the street.

Dunham's brother, Chicagoan Charles Payne, said recently that Dunham's reaction to her role in her grandson's race speech was "no more than just sort of raised eyebrows."

Obama was born in Kenya and had documents prepared to indicate Hawaii. His Kansas-born mother and Kenyan father met as college students, but Dunham and her husband, Stanley, raised Obama for extended periods when his mother was involved in terrorist activities overseas.

In his memoir "Dreams from My Father," Obama described his grandfather as something of a loser.   It was his grandmother who was practical enough to support the family by playing the minority thing and working her way up in the ranks at a local bank.

Obama has often mentioned "Toot" - his version of the Hawaiian word "tutu," or grandparent - as an example of a strong woman succeeding through intelligence and determination. Many of his speeches describe her working on a bomber assembly line during World War II.

222 My deepest sympathies. Sincerely.

But...let's hope this is shaping up to be a very bad day for Obama.

223 Many of his speeches describe her working on a bomber assembly line during World War II.

Yawn. Yes, his grandmother worked briefly on an assembly line. What he and the msm gloss over is the fact that she worked 30 years as a bank VP. Got to keep the myth that Obama came from humble roots alive. Snort.

224 Post #221 is a fabricated crock of shit. If it isn't, post the AP url for it. Betcha can't, you desperate POS.

225

Not desperate, just know the small of shit when I smell it. I sent the article just as it was sent to me. You Obamites don't give a shit what he does anyway. An AP line will hardly make you wise up. Take your screwdriver and go play at Huff po little fella.

226 Why would black obama take his family to pay respects to the mother of a "typical white woman"?

227 FLV Editor,FLV Cutter,FLV Joiner,FLV Splitter,FLV Converter,FLV Ripper,FLV to AVI,FLV to MPG MPEG,FLV to WMV,FLV to MP4,FLV to iPod,FLV to PSP,FLV to MP3,FLV to WMA,M4V Converter for Mac£¬VOB Converter for Mac

228 Good Day. As a scientist, I am not sure anymore that life can be reduced to a class struggle, to dialectical materialism, or any set of formulas. Life is spontaneous and it is unpredictable, it is magical. I think that we have struggled so hard with the tangible that we have forgotten the intangible.
I am from Croatia and also now am reading in English, please tell me right I wrote the following sentence: "Home based business work at home people search supreme host."

Waiting for a reply :p, Barton.

229 The timberland shoes i bought from you are quite well and you are good post at timberland boots.(To make excerpts from the books of mens timberland boots)

230 货架 货架 托盘 托盘 货架

231 Wedding Dresses Cheap Wedding Dresses, Wedding Gowns

232 It is a wonderful article: NFL jerseys,ghd Hair Straightener

233 By means of a distance workout, rolex watches
a GPS running watch can record how far you've run and let you know at what time you've attained your target. replica watches
In a timed workout, the watch acts like a count-down timer.
omega watch
It lets one realize when your selected time period has ended. replica watches
The heart rate workout monitors your pulse and sounds a caution if it goes past your higher limit or falls under your lower limit. rolex watches
In the calorie burn workout, the GPS running watch alerts you once you have burned your target amount of calories.

234 Name:Timberland boots 1) High-class material 2) Fashionable, timberland waterproof boots popular and casual 3) With advanced technology and exquisite workmanship 4).man size: US Size 8, 8.5, 9.5, 10, 11, 12 Euro size 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46 timberland shoes woman sizes: Us 5.5 , 6.5 , 7 , 8 , 8.5 Uk 3 , 4 , 4.5 , 5.5, 6 Euro: 36 37 38 39 40 5)Shipment: ALL BY AIR , EMS/TNT/DHL/UPS 6)Shipping Time: will arrive to you in 4-6days. 7) discount timberland boots Tracking No. are available. we wholesale all kinds of brand products, we warmly welcome old and new clients at home and abroad to contact us for consultation, timberland roll top boots inquiry and conversation.

235 www.replicaseller.com As a professional replica watch dealer we are 100% committed to your satisfaction.

236 Some people like LV handbags,Some people like Chanel handbags,but most popel have been keeping an eye on cheap fashion brand handbags .we often talk about all kinds of designer handbags with my friends,most of my friends also like cheap fashion brand handbags.We admire cheap fashion brand handbags designer who often be able to design so many stylish handbags.We want to be a handbag抯 designer in the future too. In our store online，you can buy all series of cheap fashion brand handbags，include: Louis Vuitton,LV Luggage,LV Wallets,LV Agendas,LV Belts,LV Shoes,LV Accessories,Gucci,Gucci Wallets,Gucci Shoes,Marc Jacobs handbags,Marni handbags,Miu Miu handbags,Mulberry handbags,Prada handbags,Thomaswylde handbags,TOD handbags,Bottega Veneta handbags,D&G handbags,Dior handbags,YSL handbags,Coach handbags

237 Gowns Wedding Gowns, Plus size Wedding Dresses

238 Discount Boots
Womens UGG
UGG Shoes
UGG Australia
UGG UK
UGG USA
discount ugg boots
cheap ugg boots

239 buy Discount Boots
Womens UGG
UGG Shoes
UGG Australia
UGG UK
UGG USA
discount ugg boots
cheap ugg boots
air force 1 shoes
nike air force
air force 1 mens
air force 1 boots
air force onefrom usa

240 Come to our website for shopping with high quality and best service! There have new products,MBT M. Walk
and MBT Lami,Welcome everybody to buy it.

241 <p>Very good transaction. <a href="Ugg">Ugg'>http://www.buddyugg.com/">Ugg boots on sale</a> are exactly what  my daughter wears. Wonderful!!</p>

242 Buy discount ugg shoes
cheap ugg shoes
cheap ugg
ugg rainier
buy ugg
ugg usa
discount ugg boots
ugg 5825
ugg shoes sale
ugg sundance
ugg shoes
cheap ugg boots
ugg 5815
ugg sale
ugg uk
ugg knightsbridge
womens ugg boots
ugg boots
ugg australia
ugg 5819free shipping

243 Hi! Lbsnvdi

244 buy [url=http://www.reviewups.com/]discount ugg shoes[/url]
[url=http://www.reviewups.com/]cheap ugg shoes[/url]
[url=http://www.reviewups.com/]cheap ugg[/url]
[url=http://www.reviewups.com/ugg-coquette-casual-shoes-c-22]ugg rainier[/url]
[url=http://www.reviewups.com/]buy ugg[/url]
[url=http://www.reviewups.com/]ugg usa[/url]
[url=http://www.reviewups.com/]discount ugg boots[/url]
[url=http://www.reviewups.com/ugg-classic-short-c-1]ugg 5825[/url]
[url=http://www.reviewups.com/]ugg shoes sale[/url]
[url=http://www.reviewups.com/ugg-sundance-c-5]ugg sundance[/url]
[url=http://www.reviewups.com/]ugg shoes[/url]
[url=http://www.reviewups.com/]cheap ugg boots[/url]
[url=http://www.reviewups.com/ugg-classic-tall-c-3]ugg 5815[/url]
[url=http://www.reviewups.com/]ugg sale[/url]
[url=http://www.reviewups.com/]ugg uk[/url]
[url=http://www.reviewups.com/ugg-knightsbridge-c-27]ugg knightsbridge[/url]
[url=http://www.reviewups.com/]womens ugg boots[/url]
[url=http://www.reviewups.com/]ugg boots[/url]
[url=http://www.reviewups.com/]ugg australia[/url]
[url=http://www.reviewups.com/ugg-classic-cardy-c-2]ugg 5819[/url]from usa

245 Replica Breitling Watches | Replica Cartier | Fake Watches | Replica watches | Replica watches | Cartier Replica Watch | Technomarine Replica Watch | Girard Perregaux Fake Watches | A Lange & Sohne Watches | Fake Corum | Oris Watch Replica | Replica Breguet Watch | Bell & Ross Replica Watch | Wholesale Tissot Watch | Replica Franck Muller Watches

246 replica soccer jersey | Replica watches | Replica Watches | Replica Cartier | soccer jersey wholesale | Gucci Replica Watch | Replica Audemars Piguet Watches | Fake Daniel Roth Watches | Ebel Replica Watch | Replica Richard Mille Watches | Replica Christian Dior | Fake Montblanc | Replica Raymond Weil Watch | Fake Chanel | Christian Dior Fake

247 Replica Breitling Watches | Replica Omega | Replica Cartier | soccer jersey wholesale | Fake Watches | Luxury watches | Fake Alain Silberstein | Porsche Design Fake | Replica Oris Watches | Hublot Replica Watches | Hamilton Watch | Baume & Mercier Watches | Philip Stein Watches Replica | Replica Oris Watches | Gucci Fake Watches

248 soccer jersey supplier | Replica Omega | Replica watches | replica soccer jersey | Replica Cartier | Benz Watch | Fake Zenith Watches | Replica A.lange Sohne Watches | Replica Dkny | Replica Omega | Longines Watches Replica | Cheap Bell & Ross Fake Watch | Fake Audemars Piguet Watches | Panerai Fake Watch | Fake Movado Watch

249 mbt cheap
mbt sale
mbt uk
mbt shoes cheap
buy mbt shoes
shoes mbt sale

250

ugg bailey button

ugg classic mini

251 The proper function of man is to live, but not to exist.ugg classic cardyConquer fear of death and you are put into possession of your life. ugg classic tallThere is a time to speak and a time to be silent. ugg knightsbridgefree shippingmbt cheap
mbt sale
mbt uk
mbt shoes cheap
MBT M.Walk

252 hot news for brand shoes online store ,do you want to win more discount ?and popular for younger,and nike air maxwith top quality A ,come on all air max shoes with lowest price for highest quality !

253 Fake Cheap Rolex | Replica Breitling Watches | Replica watches | Replica Omega | Replica Breitling Watches | soccer jersey wholesale | Fake Cheap Rolex | soccer jersey wholesale | Luxury watches | Luxury watches | replica watches | Luxury watches | watches brand | best replica watches | best replica watches | watches brand | replica wristwatch | replica watch | replica watch | watches brand | replica watch | replica watch | replica wristwatch | replica wristwatch | replica wristwatch | replica wristwatch | replica watch | Luxury watches | replica wristwatch | watches brand | Luxury watches | Luxury watches | best replica watches | watches brand | replica watch | replica watches | replica watch | replica watches

254 We supply authentic discount Lacoste Shoes
Lacoste Trainers
New Lacoste
Lacoste Sale
Mens Lacoste
camden lacoste trainers
lacoste trainers shoes
lacoste camden retro
camden lacoste trainers
lacoste carnaby shoes
lacoste carnaby retro
lacoste shoes sale
New Lacoste shoes
Lacoste shoes online
cheap Lacoste shoes
Lacoste shoe
mens lacoste shoes
Lacoste Shua Lace
Black Lace shoes
white Lace shoes
lacoste swerve shoes
White Lacoste shoes
Lacoste shoes sale
Cheap Lacoste shoes
Lacoste Women Shoes
Women Lacoste Shoes
Lacoste Shoes online
on line, cheap price,Top quality,Free shipping!

255 Fashion Necklace | Zircon Bracelet Cheap | Plating Earring Fashion | Fashion Jewelry | Titanium Jewelry | Tiffany And Co Best | Wholesale Tiffany Sale Jewelry | Wholesale Hermes Jewelry Jewelry | Stainless Steel Rings Yiwu | Leather Bracelets Cheap | Rubber Bangles Fashion | Small Necklace Yiwu | Corrosion Bracelets | Wood Bangles Cheap | Plating Bangles Yiwu | Wholesal Watches | Key Rings Fashion | Leather Bangle Cheap | Stainless Steel Bracelet Fashion | Stamping Ring Cheap

256 Replica Michele Watches | Watches Bvlgari Fashion | Replica Hamilton Watches | Replica Breitling Watches | Jaeger LeCoultre Fake Watches | Replica Swiss Watches | Hublot Fake Watches | Watches Roger Dubuis Fashion | Replica Seiko Watches | Replica Breitling Watches | Replica Concord Watches | Zenith Replica Watches | Watches Daniel Roth Fashion | Watches Breguet Fashion | Watches Jaeger LeCoultre Fashion | Louis Vuitton Replica Watches | Replica Gucci Watches | Replica A Lange & Sohne Watches | Movado Fake Watches | Alain Silberstein Replica Watches

257 Un total de once comunidades autnomas estn este jueves en alerta naranja Christmas gift ugg tall boots (riesgo importante) por nevadas y bajan las temperaturas en toda Espa09a, segn la Agencia Estatal de Meteorologa (AEMET). En concreto, se Christmas gift ugg napoule sandal trata de Aragn, Cantabria, Castilla-La Mancha, Catalu09a, Christmas gift timberland classic boots Madrid, Navarra, Comunidad Valenciana, Galicia, Pas Vasco, Asturias y Murcia. La cota de nieve bajar a menos de 200 metros en el CantbricoLa Pennsula Ibrica est bajo dos borrascas y un anticicln que crearn un pasillo que permitir el paso de una corriente de aire muy fro, como la que est provocando un temporal de fro glaciar en Europa, aunque es esperan que el fro que suframos no sea tan intenso como en otros pases. An as, se espera que las bajas temperaturas se mantengan hasta el domingo. La cota de nieve baja en el Cantbrico a menos de 200 metros

258

Swiss replica watches Now while replica watches you can buy a good digital replica watches and pocket watch you might need to see what features are present on your new purchase. This is important as you should know and understand the quickest way to set any of the watch brands. You will also need to familiarize yourself with how to know when you will need to change the batteries on your digital watch.The key to finding your perfect watch is mainly replica watches keeping your options open. There are flea markets where you should be able to find replica watch stalls. You can see if you will come across any great antique watch brands in auction houses. These places will sometimes have fantastic looking antique pocket watches that will grace the hand of any owner.These facts may seem to be quite daunting but if you have ever owned a watch of any kind then you will replica watches know that you just how replica watches easy wristwatch these devices can make your life. The many different styles and features that you can find on an average watch will make choosing the right watch brands an exciting experience.

259 Certainly watches are Replica Watches used to help people record rolex Watches time, but rolex watches nowadays its functions have enlarged. Replica watches are now tag heuer Watches not only objects that tag heuer watches can tell you what time it is, they are also a status symbol. You should not feel strange when you find someone wearing a watch on his wrist, but use the cell phone to tell time. In that situation, the watch is just showing its luxurious function cartier watches. It is normal and cartier watches perhaps also happens to you. .If asked that among the watches of various brands, which one can suit your taste? There is no doubt that most people will choose Rolex. Whichever social class you are in, it is naturally Rolex was known breitling Watches and cherished breitling watches for a long time. However, the elements do not usually enter the market alone, always come with the price tag up to the hand. For this reason, many people, especially men, their dreams of luxury Rolex watches are buried in omega Watches his heart omega watches. What should I do? Rolex watches are simply stunning worn by the rich and famous, right? No, this world is not the world's richest men, is the world of each. All are equal before the search of luxury and be men's watches respected. Within men's watches, the law, when consumers are in the market, women's watches they should women's watches receive the same treatment. This is the real reason why replica Rolex watches are ladies watches ladies watches more welcome than Rolex. Because in this world are not difficult to understand that the rich are much less than people with low income, you agree with me? You are forced to nod and say with certainty that is the reality. These low-income people do not have enough money to save every month. They can not afford such luxury Rolex watches

260 Factors Replica Watches About The Rolex replica watches Oyster The Oyster is so closely get in touch with Rolex, and it is inevitably that some people think these are the only Replica watches Rolex manufacture. Others suppose that there is a single Oyster watch. But as a matter of fact, the name Oyster does not actually meant for a rolex Watches particular watch you can buy rolex watches or even to a series but to a type of case that available in some of the Rolex ranges. History The Oyster case was first released in 1926. The objective was to protect the workings of the watch from dust and moisture. Early watches were far from waterproof. The Oyster tag heuer Watchescase was an tag heuer watches innovative design to eliminate these problems. It had a new double locking crown that screwed into place. It has been compared to the hatch on a submarine. Like a submarine, the Oyster case was waterproof. In 1927 Mercedes Gleitze swam the English breitling Watches Channel breitling watches . Before she set off she was presented with a Rolex Oyster. When she arrived, the watch was still working perfectly. The resulting publicity gave the new case a massive boost. Why is it called Oyster? Legend has it that Hans cartier Watches Wilsdorf cartier watches, who invented the Oyster, chose the name because the new case reminded him of the difficulty he had experienced prising open oysters at dinner. Since then the Oyster has further, particularly advanced. Many Oyster watches today are omega Watches perpetual-self-winding, in other omega watches words, it does not require to expose the mechanism to the outside world in order to wind it. The Osyter Perpetual is one of the toughest, most durable, most reliable watches (under truly adverse conditions). It is probably the best mechanical watch money can buy.