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| Final Rasmussen Polling: McCain Barely Ahead in FL, NC; Tied in OH, MO; Behind by 4 in VA, CO; Behind by 6 in PAThis is actually pretty good news. And here's the PA poll. If you assume, as I do, that the Bradley effect, "socially desirable answer" phenomenon, and general underperformance of Democrats at the voting booth as compared to polling -- Barack Obama especially so -- accounts for a 4-6 point illusory advantage for Obama, and you assume Obama's new (and fraudulent) voters account for less than that, we've actually got a shot here. Oh, I think Barack Obama's new, fake, and illegal voters will get him closer to the predicted values than for previous Democrats. But all the way there? I don't think so. Are we favored? No, I wouldn't say that. We're underdogs. We need to win in just about every gettable state. But underdogs win every single week. Sometimes because it turns out the underdogs were never really underdogs at all -- they were only underdogs on paper. The oddsmakers got it wrong. Sometimes underdogs even beat an unbeatable team and shock the world on the biggest stage there is. Just takes commitment and determination and perseverance and catching one or two lucky breaks.![]() Comments1
dave do your thing here on these polls
Posted by: Rob at November 03, 2008 04:10 PM (yQXE2) 2
excuse me - David - do your thing
Posted by: Rob at November 03, 2008 04:10 PM (yQXE2) 3
We're underdogs like the Texas Tech versus the 'Horns, not Washington State versus USC. This is doable. Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at November 03, 2008 04:11 PM (wgLRl) 4
Bengals won yesterday.
Posted by: Happy Meal at November 03, 2008 04:12 PM (J43xf) 5
McCain HAS to flip PA - that's all there is to it.
Posted by: scots at November 03, 2008 04:13 PM (gR0r8) 6
"We're underdogs like the Texas Tech versus the 'Horns, not Washington State versus USC."
Giants vs Patriots Posted by: someone at November 03, 2008 04:14 PM (zHoxL) 7
"McCain HAS to flip PA - that's all there is to it."
Yup. He said it himself yesterday: he wins PA, he wins the election. (Possibly with a bunch of other states too, but that's not necessary.) Posted by: someone at November 03, 2008 04:15 PM (zHoxL) 8
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/2120549/posts
Posted by: skwid at November 03, 2008 04:15 PM (MHxTu) 9
Just heard on the radio that a spanish language mailer was sent out listing election day as Nov. 9. Some english language notifications also listed this date.
It has to be made very clear by drudge that tomorrow is election day. In spanish, english, every language. Posted by: incredulous at November 03, 2008 04:16 PM (zplc6) 10
Obama has not had a positive day since Joe the Plumber showed up. He has been on the defensive about illegal fund raising, ties to ACORN, ties to PLO supporters, crashing the stock market with his capital gains tax plan, claims of socialism, claims of bankrupting the coal industry, causing skyrocketing electricity prices, and now literally saying "eff you" to McCain. None of which he has had a good answer for.
I don't see how anyone could vote for him. Posted by: Jamie at November 03, 2008 04:16 PM (I8BSp) 11
All within the margin of error. It is 3%. Meaning up to a 6% shift could be in Mac's favor. When they are giving Senator G the numbers for a landslide constantly, i would say these ones should be encouraging. A tie probably means Mac is ahead but they have to keep the narrative. Down by 4 in CO? and VA? Easily able to overcome and we shall with determination and guts like only Americans have. 6 in PA, exactly within the margin meaning a big upset but within the margin so they can say they were close. If you see how they overwieght immensely to favor Senator Gungrabber then you know these numbers are very very good for us. All of them to close to call and they would call it for Senator Gun Grabber if they could. You know it. Posted by: PPP at November 03, 2008 04:16 PM (zzms8) 12
Alien vs Predator I'm betting the hidden union vote is gonna come on strong. It has been a stealth issue this campaign but doing away with secret ballots has got to make a lot of union members very nervous. Now, if we can just get Murtha to open his pie hole one more time before tomorrow.... Posted by: JackStraw at November 03, 2008 04:17 PM (VW9/y) 13
We're underdogs like the Texas Tech versus the 'Horns, not Washington State versus USC." or my rays against the pink nation these polls show trends that help Mac, but frankly the polls are still bs, take that allah zombies Posted by: YRM at November 03, 2008 04:17 PM (004wR) 14
I suspect the PA poll does not reflect the Coal comments....
Posted by: Big Daddy at November 03, 2008 04:18 PM (Oinvr) Posted by: scots at November 03, 2008 04:18 PM (gR0r8) 16
If the numbers are closing, and the trend continues, the polling (which should end Sunday (a weekend, note)) would not reflect the final tightening of the margin.
Posted by: stinky esposito at November 03, 2008 04:19 PM (MMC8r) 17
Pennslyvannia will tell the tale, methinks.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at November 03, 2008 04:20 PM (wgLRl) 18
skwid, we discussed that a few days back
seems overly optimistic to me (NJ would be a dream... CA a wet dream), but we'll see Posted by: someone at November 03, 2008 04:22 PM (zHoxL) 19
Scare quote of the day
"If Democrats gain a filibuster-proof Senate, it would be the first time since the 95th Congress in 1977, when Democrats held 61 seats in the Senate, 292 seats in the House, and had President Jimmy Carter (D) in the White House. " Posted by: Topsecretk9 at November 03, 2008 04:22 PM (7a+Ji) 20
I live in Lubbock, Tx home of the Texas Tech Red Raiders (and also a county which went 75-25% Bush in 2004) ... this is more than doable - given the way polls are being weighted I think McCain has larger leads and smaller if any deficits in these states.
Posted by: Rob at November 03, 2008 04:23 PM (yQXE2) 21
time for someone to dig out the percentages in this poll.
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 03, 2008 04:23 PM (QxSug) 22
Dude. $550 on McCain on intertrade would win $4500 right now. So tempted...
Posted by: Misfit138 at November 03, 2008 04:24 PM (A9Bze) 23
The Phillies Won the WORLD SERIES!!!!!!
The Phillies Won the WORLD SERIES!!!!!! I just like saying that A LOT! Posted by: Ben at November 03, 2008 04:25 PM (rs7M9) 24
"If Democrats gain a filibuster-proof Senate, it would be the first
time since the 95th Congress in 1977, when Democrats held 61 seats in
the Senate, 292 seats in the House, and had President Jimmy Carter (D)
in the White House. "
And that worked out so well..... Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 03, 2008 04:26 PM (Ds4I5) 25
If McCain performs as it appears ... they can kiss a 60 seat majority in the senate waaaaaaaay goodbye
Posted by: Rob at November 03, 2008 04:26 PM (yQXE2) 26
This IS positive news. Bradley effect aside ... almost every error imaginable in a poll ends up pushing Democratic numbers UP. For instance ... automated phone polls can often end up being answered by the "teenager" of the house - and who do you think he / she is going to respond affirmatively for? Hmmm?
That's just one example ... there are many others ... including poll weighting ... which can easily skew toward Democrats if phony ACORN voter registrations for "Micky Mouse" are included in the weighting algorithm. So yeah ... good news for Team McCain. Posted by: HondaV65 at November 03, 2008 04:26 PM (FbZwu) 27
@14 on Rasmussen page it's date 11/01, so you are right. The coal comments hit yesterday. It is a weekend poll which always polls R light.
Posted by: Mike H at November 03, 2008 04:27 PM (LdYLm) 28
"Listen up...I know you're tired, I know you're bleeding...but once you get in that end zone, you're not gonna feel any pain."
Posted by: Jim62sch at November 03, 2008 04:27 PM (zYagu) 29
Oh yeah, I almost forgot: get ready tomorrow for a royal buttload of those legendarily accurate exit polls touting a nationwide Obama landslide.
Posted by: OregonMuse at November 03, 2008 04:28 PM (FO+YO) 30
Not everyone has probably heard about the coal comments. I suggest people look for local forums - such as at local newspapers in PA, VA, WV, OH, etc. - where they can make sure that everyone knows about it. Urge them to spread the news to their friends. Sending my name's link to undecideds wouldn't hurt either.
Posted by: The Non-Partisan Case Against Barack Obama at November 03, 2008 04:28 PM (XHj+K) 31
Er, Greg or Billy read this shit cocksucker, " McCain gained ground among unaffiliated voters in five of the six states this week." I guess you guys over at "The One's" didn't get the message, we are going to make you squeal like a pig. And, I'll bet you got a pretty mouth too. Victory is ours saith the lord!! Kemp Posted by: kempermanx at November 03, 2008 04:28 PM (2+9Yx) 32
The new IBD-TIPP is out. It's not as good as yesterday, Obama up 4.5, but the undecided number has increased.
Posted by: Bilby at November 03, 2008 04:28 PM (8iDn7) 33
EVERY ELECTION THEY SAY THE REPUBLICAN IS LOSING. 1980 THEY CALLED IT FOR CARTER AND IT WAS A REAGAN LANDSLIDE (BLESS HIS SOUL) Posted by: bitter, clinging Pennsylvanian at November 03, 2008 04:28 PM (bd68Z) 34
whose up for a benevolent dictator over our system? Petraus perhaps?
Posted by: jp at November 03, 2008 04:29 PM (DFDtC) Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at November 03, 2008 04:29 PM (3vqq9) 36
>>@14 on Rasmussen page it's date 11/01, so you are right. The coal comments hit yesterday. It is a weekend poll which always polls R light.<< Yeah, but are they fully saturated (the coal comments)? With the MSM cover it might take another 24 for the news to get out fully. Posted by: scots at November 03, 2008 04:29 PM (gR0r8) 37
Dude. $550 on McCain on intertrade would win $4500 right now. So tempted...
But if you win, ya gotta promise to spend every last penny on guns. Preferably Evil Black Rifles©. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 03, 2008 04:29 PM (Ds4I5) 38
David posted this in a different comment section - looks at Ras poll internals: Posted by: Rob at November 03, 2008 04:30 PM (yQXE2) 39
I saw this at the freepers place
"BREAKING........ ''Obama's lead among those who say they have already voted has almost disappeared. He has a 1-point edge -- just 48-47 percent -- in this latest poll, down from a 52-43 percent lead previously''." Posted by: Topsecretk9 at November 03, 2008 04:30 PM (7a+Ji) 40
32 - What 27 said applies to this as well. Reps poll lighter and the coal news isn't reflected. Nor the middle-finger.
Posted by: Major Graham at November 03, 2008 04:30 PM (Op67F) 41
37 Dude. $550 on McCain on intertrade would win $4500 right now. So tempted...
Hells-to-tha-yeah. Good Scotch and good guns. Posted by: Misfit138 at November 03, 2008 04:31 PM (A9Bze) 42
does anyone now if W was up in any polls the day before the election in '04?
Posted by: scots at November 03, 2008 04:31 PM (gR0r8) 43
Can anyone who knows statistics explain this to me? In the small very red states, N. Dakota, Montana, etc. the polls say there's been a twenty point shift from 2004 to now, while the larger population swing states are only seeing a 5-6 point shift. I know the polls are fucked, but what would cause this particular error? Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at November 03, 2008 04:31 PM (8n/ZU) Posted by: kempermanx at November 03, 2008 04:31 PM (2+9Yx) 45
McCain needs to get 6-7 of every 10 Undecides if the TIPP numbers are accurate.
thats the big difference between TIPP and the others, the number of undecides Posted by: jp at November 03, 2008 04:31 PM (DFDtC) 46
I hope to God enough PA'ers see/hear about the coal comments by tomorrow. However the PA poll is weighted (and it's always in the left's favor), I'm still surprised it says +6 for Ears Hussein. After Murtha's comments, and ODumbo's comments himself about the bitter clingers, I just can't believe blue collar PA isn't going hog wild for McCain.
Posted by: Twinks at November 03, 2008 04:33 PM (7QUxD) 47
More than all that...this is a WEEKEND POLL also! And Rasmussen averages three days, IIRC. And it's skewed, etc. etc. Look for a healthy win in Ohio, Penn & Va.
Posted by: Fresh Air at November 03, 2008 04:33 PM (SXkkC) 48
i taped that game and watch THAT VERY PLAY yesterday before i made my GOTV calls! what a classic!!! we can do it!!
Posted by: cjb at November 03, 2008 04:33 PM (JK7YJ) 49
What's the dem weight in the IBD/TIPP poll?
Posted by: Rob at November 03, 2008 04:34 PM (yQXE2) 50
#39 - Have they already started counting the early votes? Thought they waited till tomorrow when the polls close..
Posted by: IC at November 03, 2008 04:34 PM (jZNCU) 51
These polls don't even show all the results of the weekend advertising blitz. Its just going to get better.
Posted by: robtron12 at November 03, 2008 04:35 PM (gue+Q) 52
The Phillies Won the WORLD SERIES!!!!!! ill forgive them for beating my rays if PA flips red and Mac wins...for now Posted by: YRM at November 03, 2008 04:35 PM (004wR) 53
First time poster, Long time lurker.
That the picture you posted just broke my heart...Again. Anyway, Keep fighting the good fight to keep the socialist race baiting DB out of the WH. Posted by: Jason at November 03, 2008 04:35 PM (fKPp3) 54
42 does anyone now if W was up in any polls the day before the election in '04?
Zogby's Election Final Presidential Polls Bush 49.4% 213EV Kerry 49.1% 311EV (barf alert) Kerry was projected to win 311/213 with 14 undecideds (NV and CO) on 11/2/2004. That's why I'm gonna drop five hundy on McCain, me thinks... Posted by: Misfit138 at November 03, 2008 04:35 PM (A9Bze) 55
Hey what about the Crabtree grab against Texas - great pic too (smile)
Posted by: Rob at November 03, 2008 04:35 PM (yQXE2) 56
Cannot get the *Rocky* theme song out of my mind. Swear to God.
Posted by: small town girl at November 03, 2008 04:36 PM (s5uki) 57
9% undecideds in the last IBD/TIPP?
Posted by: JB at November 03, 2008 04:36 PM (KlSTV) 58
As a Broncos fan, I can appreciate underdogs. Oddly, I tend to think of the Balitomre Ravens the year they won it all. Once the playoffs started, all they needed to do was show up. Their best efforts really weren't that good, but they beat their cocky, overconfident opponents every game. That's all that mattered. Posted by: FireHorse at November 03, 2008 04:37 PM (+dm+A) 59
Just remember, every time the Giants beat the snot out of the Cowboys, the Republicans win.
Posted by: JWF at November 03, 2008 04:37 PM (1l37M) Posted by: Mike H at November 03, 2008 04:37 PM (LdYLm) 61
#39 - Have they already started counting the early votes? Thought they waited till tomorrow when the polls close. No, this is from poll responders who say they've already voted. Posted by: Jim62sch at November 03, 2008 04:38 PM (zYagu) 62
They have ACORN and legions of fake voters.
But we have a secret weapon: Diebold /just joking, if we had Diebold 2006 would have been different, you know? Posted by: shibumi at November 03, 2008 04:38 PM (tZB/c) 63
http://tinyurl.com/Rally-TImes-Square
Posted by: floofyparisparamus at November 03, 2008 04:39 PM (O7Gfh) 64
I live in Nor-Cal , and I've seen the goptrust ad with rev Wright about 4 times this hour. Why the fuck would they be spamming that ad out here?
Posted by: ChangeUCantBelieveIn at November 03, 2008 04:39 PM (rvIvq) 65
1980 THEY CALLED IT FOR CARTER
Actually, they didn't. It was obvious from hour 1 on election day that Carter was getting his butt kicked. He conceded at 6PM Eastern time, a bad mistake which depressed Democratic turnout in western states where the polls were still open. Posted by: OregonMuse at November 03, 2008 04:39 PM (FO+YO) 66
ATTENTION ACE: NOT final TIPP. Website says one more coming around midnight.
Dick Morris always said that Repubs poll poorly on the weekend, and showed some charts on FOX one day. Last poll tonight could be decent... Posted by: watchdog at November 03, 2008 04:39 PM (yCbBv) 67
42 does anyone now if W was up in any polls the day before the election in '04?
he was either up by 2 or down by 2, the exit polls had him losing in a landslide, allah and his zombies could have used them then, but even then we didn't see the oversampling of dems or lying to pollsters we see today
Posted by: YRM at November 03, 2008 04:39 PM (004wR) 68
Alright...that picture and the refernces to the Pats is killing me...
Posted by: cblesz at November 03, 2008 04:39 PM (573rp) 69
We can do this thing. Send the Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers back to Chicago!
Posted by: Jim62sch at November 03, 2008 04:40 PM (zYagu) 70
Actually, they didn't. It was obvious from hour 1 on election day that Carter was getting his butt kicked. He conceded at 6PM Eastern time, a bad mistake which depressed Democratic turnout in western states where the polls were still open he means the polls before election day, it was either carter by 1 or reagan by 1 and the landslide was an unseen bursting of the dam according to pat cadell (ive loved him this election cycle), after the 1st debate when doubts about ronald where gone Posted by: YRM at November 03, 2008 04:41 PM (004wR) 71
hmm - maybe the coal thing is having some effect: first article: "Ohio Coal Association Says Obama Remarks Make It Clear: Obama Ticket Not Supportive of Coal" Posted by: Major Graham at November 03, 2008 04:41 PM (Op67F) 72
68 Alright...that picture and the refernces to the Pats is killing me...
im a proud patriot hater, im loving it
Posted by: YRM at November 03, 2008 04:42 PM (004wR) 73
If they are running that ad in CA, then that means they have saturated the battleground states and are going after votes in the popular vote count. That's good news - pleanty of money to hammer that ad all over. And don't listen to the trolls who say it isn't working. If it wasn't working they wouldn't use it in about a ten million dollar ad buy! (and the obamacons wouldnt be whining)
Posted by: Rob at November 03, 2008 04:42 PM (yQXE2) 74
66
ATTENTION ACE: NOT final TIPP. Website says one more coming around midnight.
Good point, watchdog. It will be interesting to see what the final poll is after some of the day's news has sunk in. Posted by: Bilby at November 03, 2008 04:43 PM (8iDn7) 75
Bradley Effect, PUMAs, I'll take anything to get a win over the Lenin- Marxist Barry the flipper off er.
Posted by: devildog666 at November 03, 2008 04:43 PM (TC8dc) 76
Send the Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers back to Chicago! How long did it take to come up with that one? Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at November 03, 2008 04:43 PM (8n/ZU) 77
I only trust in-trade (they were right in 2004 and 2006). I will ignore the polls but I wish the spread on in-trade would move.
p.s. don't even call me a troll...i've been posting here forever...back to the old anka days. Posted by: Winston at November 03, 2008 04:43 PM (FggW0) 78
Psssst. Don't tell AllahPundit's acolytes!!!
Posted by: MCPO Airdale at November 03, 2008 04:44 PM (wba6w) 79
I may have to write in Belichick as my Presidential vote now. Why is it us long suffering Pats fans always have to be so maligned? I froze my ass of in the cheap seats in Foxboro for years watching 2-13 teams. And now we are synonymous with Teh Obama? Posted by: Thus Spake Ortner at November 03, 2008 04:44 PM (r3L6K) 80
Alien vs Predator
Yeah, but Alien picked Ellen Ripley as his VP, while Predator picked Capt'n Wrong-Way Peachfuzz. Posted by: lmg at November 03, 2008 04:45 PM (2cDEG) 81
Patriot hater? More like Patriot jealousy...which team are you a fan of? Probably those whirlwind Jets...
Posted by: cblesz at November 03, 2008 04:45 PM (573rp) 82
We get one more TIPP tonight. I watched Dick Morris on FOX one day and he showed how Republicans always poll worse on the weekend, for unknown reasons. We get LAST TIPP at midnight tonight. Hopefully will see it turn back.
Posted by: watchdog at November 03, 2008 04:49 PM (yCbBv) 83
I only trust in-trade (they were right in 2004 and 2006). I will ignore the polls but I wish the spread on in-trade would move. As more people learn about InTrade, it becomes more a propaganda tool than a secret insiders poll. At some point, it's no longer going to be accurate. Let's hope it's tomorrow. Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at November 03, 2008 04:49 PM (8n/ZU) 84
Damn , thanks for reminding me Misfit , I got to go to the liquor store.
Think I'll splurge on the single malt . Already have the evil black rifle and enough ammo for a medium sized zombie uprising. If I count the shotgun shells we can probably handle a fairly large uprising . Posted by: aubrey at November 03, 2008 04:49 PM (joS+d) 85
If they are running that ad in CA, then that means they have saturated the battleground states and are going after votes in the popular vote count. That's good news - pleanty of money to hammer that ad all over. And don't listen to the trolls who say it isn't working. If it wasn't working they wouldn't use it in about a ten million dollar ad buy! (and the obamacons wouldnt be whining)
Explain more please? Pretty please? Posted by: Topsecretk9 at November 03, 2008 04:50 PM (7a+Ji) 86
Tomorrow night I'll be watching Gotterdammerung. I just can't bear to watch the coverage. Even FOX in 2004 was like watching a graveyard, at least till later in the night. I'll still be hoping, though. Posted by: arminius at November 03, 2008 04:51 PM (E8rdu) 87
Time for another First Tuesday in November win for the ages. http://tinyurl.com/6qly76 Fingers crossed. Posted by: lotocoti at November 03, 2008 04:51 PM (sZxsU) 88
According to the latest Roll Call poll Barletta is ahead of Kanjorski 51-45 in Pennsylvania's 11th District. The district went heavily for Hillary in the primary. The same poll gives Obama a 10 point lead in in the same district, which seems pretty strange. Roll Call tries to explain it by the choice of Biden for VP, since Biden was born in Scranton. But Biden left Scranton when he was 10 years-old and Scranton is in the 10th District, so that doesn't make much sense. Both districts are socially conservative (though the 11th District is fiscally liberal). The people in the 11th District are very anti-illegal immigration. There's also a lot of class envy in the 11th District and Kanjorski was caught funneling $10 million in earmarks to a company run by his relatives. Perhaps that explains it all, but there are also a lot of PUMAs in northeast PA planning to vote for McCain. Maybe most of them are in the 10th District? I don't know, but if McCain can get good numbers in NEPA he has a good chance of winning the state. Posted by: Tinian at November 03, 2008 04:54 PM (Ohodx) 89
actually, W was up 3% in 04. But the polls didn't have a 12 point Dem advantage at that point.
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 03, 2008 04:56 PM (QxSug) 90
So let me get this straight- early voting shows a "blowout" winner ahead by 1 point? McCain making up huge ground toward election day in real voting, not polling. The TIPP undecideds increased? To almost 10 percent? Obama not close to 50 %, on a weekend polling. Maybe I'm whistling past our graveyard but this makes no sense unless McCain (who looked unusually upbeat today) has an army ready to pounce tomorrow.
Posted by: jjshaka at November 03, 2008 04:56 PM (mtU/O) 91
you patriots fans are so touchy.
I'm just saying -- a huge favorite can wind up getting edged out by a scrappy underdog that plays close enough to be competitive and then catches a late break. Posted by: ace at November 03, 2008 04:56 PM (8T2pi) 92
I love the Barack-FPats analogy. I love it so much, I blogged it last Wednesday.
My employer blocks blogspot, or I'd post the sweet Bob Kravitz quote about red, white, and blue confetti. I don't think I'll feel as much glee as relief on Wednesday, though. Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 03, 2008 04:57 PM (yG+tb) 93
I'm seeing the GOPTrust ad on Long Island, so it seems to be pretty nation-wide.
Posted by: G-Dawg at November 03, 2008 04:58 PM (mzfP0) 94
#85 not sure I get the sarcasm
Posted by: Rob at November 03, 2008 04:58 PM (yQXE2) 95
#56: ROFL!
Posted by: Hurting Head at November 03, 2008 04:58 PM (yW/Al) 96
Will Zogby release another poll at 5PM Election Day, like he did in 2004? That was oh so accurate!
Posted by: eddiebear at November 03, 2008 04:58 PM (wnU1W) 97
Was the Republican National Trust ad nationwide in the fourth quarter last night? I was surprised to see it in Milwaukee.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 03, 2008 05:00 PM (yG+tb) 98
so, come on! What are the internals for Rass's poll?
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 03, 2008 05:01 PM (QxSug) 99
I saw a high school senior with a handwritten sign in the back winodw for the car. It said, "McCain '08" and was written on a piece of notebook paper. I'd say there's hope. Posted by: Steve L. at November 03, 2008 05:01 PM (o0YD+) 100
Psssst. Don't tell AllahPundit's acolytes!!! or they'll label you a troll and attack you for fighting for optimism the way they did to me Patriot hater? More like Patriot jealousy...which team are you a fan of? Probably those whirlwind Jets... jeleousy? nope moron i don't like cheaters and arrogant thugs that think the championship should be handed to him (sound like anyone you know? *cough* barry *cough*), why do you think so many cheered them losing the sb? my team are the bucs and i can be proud knowing when they won the super bowl in 03 they didn't use cameras to do it, i rooted for the pats to pull the upset in sb 36 and they ended up becoming everything i hate in a team Posted by: YRM at November 03, 2008 05:02 PM (004wR) 101
I think it would help GOP.org, McCain, RNC, any interested 527, etc. in order to blitz coal states with obama's gonna get you. Maybe even outreach to any coal union thugs.
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 03, 2008 05:03 PM (QxSug) Posted by: YRM at November 03, 2008 05:04 PM (004wR) 103
You know, the Obama Campaing actually made an ad out of they cycling video last week.
Posted by: Editor at November 03, 2008 05:04 PM (GTpOW) 104
Hero/Hottie have all the momentum going into tomorrow. It's been nothing but bad news and unforced errors for Team Bike Helmet. I like our chances. You know that horrible feeling when your team is running a prevent defense while the opponent keeps throwing underneath and moving the chains? That's how the other guys feel. Posted by: Warden at November 03, 2008 05:05 PM (OUGaA) 105
I have a very hard time with rassmussen due to the fact that McCain leads by 3 in the South. HUH? Sorry, but that is utter crap unless he's including South Philadelphia. Posted by: jjshaka at November 03, 2008 05:05 PM (mtU/O) 106
94 #85 not sure I get the sarcasm --
Not being sarcastic. I need the for dummies version of that explained to me a little more. Posted by: Topsecretk9 at November 03, 2008 05:05 PM (7a+Ji) 107
I'm generally a pessimist, but I'm 100% convinced that the polls are crap. Overweighting of democrats, tons of so-called undecideds, the ghost of Mayor Bradley, the late breakout of the coal issue in swing states, etc.. It'll be tight due to fraud, but McCain will pull this out. The only downside is that the loony left is so convinced of an Obama victory that they're gonna be extra rioty. Posted by: TiredWench at November 03, 2008 05:07 PM (Kx1hM) 108
#64... Maybe it's a network feed that's going into NV and NM too.
Posted by: MDVet at November 03, 2008 05:07 PM (fnCcm) 109
So now we got this: Bush's transition smoothest since the invention of The Brazilian So, what happened to "marshall law" [sic]? Posted by: notropis at November 03, 2008 05:07 PM (Y8PBj) 110
Speaking of upbeat - Saw a WSJ blog post about McCain camp head Salter and they said he was down right giddy on the plane today
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at November 03, 2008 05:07 PM (7a+Ji) 111
Doesn't Rasmussen have Obama at +11 overall? I think we can safely ignore their polls unless we're taking 10 points off of anything they say.
Posted by: DoDoGuRu at November 03, 2008 05:10 PM (xBkZj) 112
"You know it’s a big day on the McCain campaign when Mark Salter is smiling.
The senior aide to John McCain, known for his gruff demeanor, was practically giddy this morning on the campaign plane. He was cracking jokes with reporters and describing an optimistic atmosphere surrounding McCain." http://tinyurl.com/5dljre Posted by: Topsecretk9 at November 03, 2008 05:11 PM (7a+Ji) 113
guess I will just shut up then topsecretk9 since you are the king of the blog - all hail your power and wisdom Posted by: Rob at November 03, 2008 05:11 PM (yQXE2) 114
Topsecret, I saw that too! It was definitely one of the more delicious reads of the day! I think the link is too long to post here, though, and I'm hopeless with the tinyurl thing.
Posted by: CB at November 03, 2008 05:11 PM (9Wv2j) 115
Oh yeah. This IS like waiting for biopsy results. I couldn't quite place the feeling.
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Hey! I'm posting from the future! I feel a bit like Mike Teevee from Willy Wonka.
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The latest IBD poll has McCain with larger leads among Catholics and Protestants than Bush won them by, and they made up 81% of the electorate in 2004.
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duh, ok, I found it.
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