1 Have you heard if Joe is going to sue?  I hope so.  I'm angry about this.  Government has gone too far if this is swept under the rug with no heads rolling.

2 Bless Niekamp for coming forward. She'll need protection.

3 Helen Jones-Kelley, Carrie Brown, and Doug Thompson are all nonpartisan government officials just doing their jobs. I know, because the only person with a party affiliation mentioned in the Dispatch is Vanessa Niekamp, registered Republican. She also appears to be the only person not working as a volunteer.

4 Joe has contacted a lawyer but has said he's not sure if he'll sue.

Hopefully that's just a pose, where he's pretending that he doesn't want to get all litigious.

But this is egregious.

5 Sue, baby, sue!!!!

6

Need to get this story out as well

http://tinyurl.com/5lpnkv

Showdown at Clout Corner: Rezko, pals made millions on Home Depot deal

It was a quick $4.6 million profit for Tony Rezko and his partners.

And it happened because Mayor Daley told them no.

7 I hope so Ace.

I think the only way any of this will be prosecuted is if JTP brings a suit.

Otherwise it'll go into the shitcan.

8 How is this different than Watergate? You might say Nixon was involved and Barack was not. I would say Nixon was not in the beginning and we do not know if Axelrod was aware or not.

Regardless, this was an illegal break-in to obtain damaging information on a alleged political enemy for political purposes only.

9 Jones-Kelley is a Dem, max donor to Zero.

10 "No one has to worry, we didn't find anything damning so we released no information."

11 Strickland spokesman Dailey later said one e-mail was withheld from The Dispatch because its release is prohibited by federal or state laws that forbid the release of information on the state's child-support system.......Nothing prevents the release of information of JtP's private data though....definitely nuanced.

12 Just imagine how much crap they do that isn't uncovered.

Give me privacy invasions or give me.......damn I still got nothin..

13 Since Helen Jones-Kelley has been thrust into the spotlight, I suppose a search of her state records has been launched.

14

How is this playing in Ohio? I mean, the more this comes out, the more this has got to be seriously helping the McCain effort.

15 how about ...

"take my liberty and give me death"

16 I, for one, welcome our new record-snooping overlords...

17 Since Helen Jones-Kelley has been thrust into the spotlight, I suppose a search of her state records has been launched.

How dare you ask to see private information. Don't you know that it's illegal to snoop around in someone personal information?

Sheesh some people

18 Since Helen Jones-Kelley has been thrust into the spotlight, I suppose a search of her state records has been launched.

Vanessa Niekamp is also now in the spotlight. Isn't the state of Ohio duty bound to investigate her out of fairness? And to maintain their laughable cover story?

19

Dear obama nutters,

Lets just say that you are right and Joe the Plumber was a McCain plant. Even though we both know that is not true. Anyways, lets say that the McCain camp had Joe ask obama those questions. Here is my question for you.

Then how do you fucking explain obama's response  I guess Joe was making him say those things with his mind.

Dumb fucking cocksuckers.

Signed

Ginger

20 Sorry ace but that new article was dated today dont know why they are the same as I found the old article dated yesterday

21 i live here in columbus. -- the feeling here, and this is just within my personal sphere -- is one of,

No Shit. Democratic operatives within the state government snooping on a citizen who dares question Barack of Nazareth, peace be upon him. -- I think joe would have been better off planning a suicide bombing on internet web forums. He'd have been swooped up and defended (while still planning his attack) by the ACLU. -- sorry got off point. -- The mood seems to be, eh, what do you expect, versus any type of real outrage. Don't get me wrong, I'm fucking PISSED.

by the way, the dispatch did endorse Senator McCain. (although in 2006 they endoresed Strickland for Gov. Maybe they'd have the balls to go after him and force him to fire Jones-Kelly like they did to get that Ass bag AG we had, i can't remember that douchbag's name)

22 Saul Alinsky:

The morality of a means depends upon whether the means is being employed at a time of imminent defeat or imminent victory (Alinsky 1972: 34-5)

23 Ace,

It's not an illegal donation. Someone can give a candidate $2300 for the primary period and another $2300 for the general election period.

24 Then how do you fucking explain obama's response  I guess Joe was making him say those things with his mind.

Clearly, The One knew Joe would ask the question he asked, and also already knew the answer he must give in order to expose this evil Karl Rove dirty trick. 

And everyone knows it, too.

25 Let the scandals begin!

26

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The media polls are heavily weighted towards Democrats in terms of Party ID. With that kind of heavy weighting, it would be impossible for McCain to show any lead even if he had a small lead among independents. For example, Rasmussen currently assumes the following party id break down: Democrats 40%, Republicans 32.8%, and Independents 27.2%. He is assuming a whopping 7 percent advantage in party id for the Democrats. This is a big barrier to overcome in these polls. If we assume a 85% Democrat support for Obama and 85% Republican support for McCain and a 50/50 breakdown among independents (ignore undecided and third party candidates) this would translate to a poll finding of 52.5% for Obama and 47.5% for McCain which incidentally gives the same 5% spread as in the current Rasmussen poll.

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From an ex-Democrat turned independent supporting McCain/Palin '08.

27 Another good post.

Ace has been one of the driving conservative on-line voices during the general election run up, and I am proud at this moment to call myself a AOSHQ Moron ^tm.

For all the crap we say about Drudge, he too is driving it down the home stretch with a riding crop.

Let's get out there and win this thing, guys.  We can do this.

28 Helen Jones-Kelley is just following the methods of an Obama hero, Saul Alinsky. :

"He who sacrifices the mass good for his personal conscience has a peculiar conception of 'personal salvation'; he doesn't care enough for people to ‘be corrupted' for them. (Alinsky 1972: 25)"

Scary stuff when you apply to the present election and know Obama read and appreciated Linsky.

29

A stunning silence in this matter, on the left understandible, but also on the right, is the comparison to 'Passport-Gate'.

Remember those halcyon days?  When Bush people were found rummageing through Obama and Hillary's (and McCains's) passport files at State? The story that made the front page of the New York Times and the tops at ABCNNBS, etc. That huge story..... until the main perp was identified as having strong ties to the Obama campaign, and the story dropped into the same crack in the earth that Philip Micahel Thomas fell into when 'Miami Vice' closed up shop?

There is a bust-out-loud laughing video of Keith Olberman (the other 'O') comparing "Passport-Gate" to "nothing we've ever seen since 1972" etc. Really a hoot.

But the comparison of stories and reaction to them is glaring, no?

Wow, talk about more evidence of media bias!  Let me add it to the pile. Let's go ahead and number it.....  people's evidence #547,960.

30 It's not an illegal donation. Someone can give a candidate $2300 for the primary period and another $2300 for the general election period.

Posted by: Elliott at November 01, 2008 04:24 PM (paFpY)

She gave them both on the same day.

31 There's a reason they are doing all of this and it's the same reason that Obama isn't coming back to Ohio before Tuesday (while Palin is coming back), it's because Obama has no chance here.  His crowds and support were absolutely pitiful when he came.  Palin is coming back one more time to secure Ohio and rally the troops.

32

Jeez, and people wonder why a lot of people don't trust government.

33

Dumb fucking cocksuckers.

Signed

Ginger

Well, we know she's not a liberal because she singed her name and correctly identified the O'Bambi supporters as cocksuckers.  Bam!

34 There's a reason they are doing all of this and it's the same reason that Obama isn't coming back to Ohio before Tuesday

I don't think that's accurate; I got a phone call a couple hours ago with a personal invitation to a rally tomorrow in the stagnant shithole called downtown Cleveland featuring Teleprompter Jesus, Newly Proud of my Country Michelle, and senile talentless cocksucker Broooce Springsteen right after he gets off his factory job sticking it to The Man.  I think you're right to think they're definitely gripping about Ahia.

35 I see Ginger's been studying her AoSHQ Style Guide. Nice work.

36 Didn't I just see clueless Joe on Fox in Ohio?

37 The ends justify the means...
The One must prevail!

38 Dumb fucking cocksuckers.

Signed

Ginger

"I see Ginger's been studying her AoSHQ Style Guide. Nice work."

Every time I see that tag line I think of the HBO series Deadwood. Where Swearengen and the Chinese guy would talk to each other.

39 If McCain or Palin had just one of the crooked items (Rezco, racist preacher, illegal alien aunt, ACORN, New Party, ad nauseum) they'd be toast. Double standard much, MSM? 

40

Well, we know she's not a liberal because she singed her name and correctly identified the O'Bambi supporters as cocksuckers.  Bam!

Sorry you are wrong. I was talking about us here at AoSHQ. Nah, I'm just messing with you. wink wink.

41 Oh, I didn't realize he was coming back to Ohio, I heard during his last visit to Cleveland that he made his closing arguments (insinuating that he wasn't coming back).  I knew that Biden was in Kettering yesterday, but I didn't think Obama himself was coming back.

42 I want tarring, feathering, and riding out of town on a rail to make a big comeback.  And I want this Helen Jones-Kelley beeyotch to be the first winner to receive her just rewards.

43 Yes, there are DFC's at AoSHQ,  but they are generally metrosexual males, champion weight lifting females whom we all adore, and last but not least, the  victim faggot who is unable to come to terms with his love of the elongated cock.   

44

'scuse the crap out of me for repeating my own comment on the earlier thread; it remains relevant:

...The election itself will soon be in the past tense, yet it will still be most interesting to learn exactly who-all get fired ... in what order, and exactly why...

Enquiring minds want to know.

-----------

Name that Party! -- Press idiom; political gonifs are Democrats unless identified otherwise. Saves ink. Ms. Kelley is an identified Obamatron. Others likely unidentified Obamatrons. Ms. Niekamp is a likely unObamatron. They may not know that's why they're doing it. Them what can neither do, nor teach, scribble in papers.

45

Where are all those concerned liberals who have been whinning about the Patriot Act and the squashing of individual liberties?

Yea, I know.  This is different.  Somehow.

46

Are we beginning to see the future here.  Newspapers printing names and addresses of McCain supporters.  Obama supporters, in state agencies, using the power of the state to investigate someone that made their candidate look bad.  Throwing reporters, for papers that don't support you, off your campaign plane. Having supporters place phone calls to radio stations that have authors who have written non-flattering books about you, trying to disrupt the program. 

Everyone should remember that NAZI was the National Socialist Party, in Germany, and it appears the Obama people are learning from history quite well. Just wait until they have a filibuster proof Senate and a huge majority in the House.  That, coupled with a syncophant press that's unwilling to provide the public with the truth about this guy, and you have a recipe for disaster.

47

"She gave them both [donations] on the same day."

Possibly a violation (and why would Obama care?) but if Obama had debts from his primary (did he?) one could still donate to pay it off.

Aside from that, you assholes aren't even allowed to mention Helen Jones-Kelley - she's black, so yo' just a bunch of racist white pointy-hatted wearin' foos.

48 troll extraction

49

Seems like someone is about to learn about expensive speech

 

50

#46...I'm not sure how to respond to a question like this.  It seems so quacky, but I'll give it a shot.  Here are several reasons we'll never go down that road here in the USA:

1.  Individual right to bear arms, aka 2nd amendment, which The One whole-heartedly warmly embraces acknowledges is in the consitution and couldn't be changed even though if he wanted to.

2.  A non-partisian, vigorous media which acts as a watchdog, insuring the government never encroaches on individual freedoms.

3.  A fair and tansparent electoral system free from the undue influence of $$$, corruption, and shannanigans that may produce an undemocratic result.  Tactics such as illegal campaign contributions, voter rolls filled with dead or make-believe people, and disenfranchising efforts to leave out whole sections of voters (military personell, for example) are never tolerated and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

4.  A citizen-political class where a small-town hockey mom rises to political heights through ambition, hard work, and an ability to connect with voters, is praised and lauded by all as a way for the "normal person" to influence the system. 

5.  A reverred citizenry where political leaders are held responsible to answering questions from the common voter and those who question leaders do so without fear of political or personal payback through a focused smear campaign led by rogue government hacks.

 

 

51 What I can't understand is why this cabal was so stupid as to get a republican to do the actual dirty work.  Unless, of course, she was to be the fall guy.  You know republicans are so stupid she would not have had a clue or been suspicious about being ordered to write that e-mail.  But you would think in order to have a successful coup they would have used  another Obamarobot.  I think there was a breadown in communication between these loons.

52 Locus ceruleus -

Did you know that his "bitter clinger" speech was a paraphrase of Alinsky?

pp. 188-189, Rules for Radicals

“Their bitterness is compounded by their also paying taxes for these colleges, for increased public services, fire, police, public health, and welfare. They hear the poor demanding welfare as ‘rights.’ To them this is insult on top of injury. Seeking some meaning in their life, they turn to an extreme chauvinism and become defenders of the ‘American’ faith. Insecure in this fast-changing world, they cling to illusory fixed points–which are very real to them”.

53 Was quoting Alinksy right there @ #52.

54 I"m actually befuddled why no one in the press, despite the controversial Obama "bitter clinger" deprecations he made in San Fran to a crowd of elites, ever traced his remarks right back to the source, the handbook for sneaky commies.

55 SarahW,

You are, really?  After all this time?

Biased, ignorant, lazy.

That's all you need to know about them.

56 I am surprised that NO msm source went there, at all.

I suppose some of them must have realized or figured it our or had it brought to their attention, but I guess you must be right.
To tag O's unoriginality and to a source like Alinsky, no less, must have seemed too dangerous, even as the msm lamented loudly the effect of the insult must have to the voters described
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