Rasmussen: More Now Trust McCain Than Obama on Taxes... and the Economy

Just barely. But this is a remarkable shift, and the economy drives the election.

(Duh. I know, huh? Conservative blogger of the year. You know, sometimes articles are frigging so obvious I don't have to write anything, but I still need to write something just for the linking text. So you get gems like that.)

Anyway, it's 48-47 on the economy, 47-45 on taxes. The latter should be a runaway, of course, but here's the thing: Stupid people simply say whichever candidate they're going to vote for, and then say that that candidate is better on all the issues, including the ones he's obviously not better on (like Obama being called better on national security).

So this big shift means that people are, in fact, shifting to McCain.

And that is a contradiction of my first obvious point, in which I said the economy drives the polls, because now I'm saying whatever candidate is favored will have cross-tabs showing a majority of the public favors him on all issues.

They're both true though.

I should have stopped after the first stupid thing.

The point is, it's a good poll. Leave me alone.

I need to go to bed.

Thanks to liberrocky.

Posted by: Ace at 01:38 AM

Comments

1 YAY! It's about time....

Posted by: Juliet16 at October 30, 2008 01:40 AM (2xgu5)

2 Can you republish the front page? Deleting PA's dupe hasn't 'taken' there.

Posted by: someone at October 30, 2008 01:42 AM (zHoxL)

3 can I please just say
PHILLIES ARE THE WORLD CHAMPIONS BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: christy at October 30, 2008 01:43 AM (8bsDG)

4 Awesome timing!

But... Juliet... do you think McCain should spend the last of his campaign funds for a half hour infomercial on the Malcolm X is Barack Obama's daddy theory?

As Ace would say, screw the economy!

Yes, I'm razzing you.

Posted by: Christoph at October 30, 2008 01:44 AM (hawOV)

5 Basically, what the poll is saying is that the financial near-meltdown is out of people's minds, and 'share the wealth' is now in.

If Wall Street holds about where it is for three more trading days...

Posted by: someone at October 30, 2008 01:45 AM (zHoxL)

6 Buried between all the bogus polls is evidence that Mccain is gaining. It's amazing to me how thorough the 'Obama is dominating' lie has gotten out there... but it's going to backfire. Mccain doesn't need historic turnout in the way Obama does. People Obama is counting on have never voted before and are looking for any excuse to forget about the whole deal. I predict Dem turnout will be much lower than estimated.

Mccain volunteers are savvy enough to notice that Mccain is 'resurging' (even if never behind). We're the folks who hung on as Bush was raked over coals, and as Iraq was 'hopeless quagmire civil war'. We know the media lies, and we know what a turnaround looks like. I think Mccain's people will show up to vote, because there's no reason to believe this race isn't extremely tight. Will we win enough to overcome ACORN's theft of votes? I don't know, but we'll see.

Posted by: Shill at October 30, 2008 01:46 AM (8jYMc)

7 Good news. Now can you keep Gabe from burying it?

Posted by: Hurricane Mikey at October 30, 2008 01:47 AM (OmIEH)

8 TrollBusters should delete the next obsessive credit-truther post Gabe puts up

Posted by: someone at October 30, 2008 01:47 AM (zHoxL)

9 This doesn't help Michelle's children at all.

Posted by: rich at October 30, 2008 01:48 AM (rX6yO)

10 "Buried between all the bogus polls is evidence that Mccain is gaining."

Buried? Or revealed?

Posted by: Christoph at October 30, 2008 01:49 AM (hawOV)

11 I give this post 2 1/2 ejaculations 220 stabs.

Posted by: Bart at October 30, 2008 01:50 AM (Imk8E)

12 I reindexed, that got rid of it.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 30, 2008 01:50 AM (OqXyp)

13 If polls are trending toward Macain, you know in reality its actually better much than it looks.

Posted by: Dave in PB at October 30, 2008 01:50 AM (CTSya)

14 Hey Bart. You still a homo?

Posted by: rich at October 30, 2008 01:52 AM (rX6yO)

15 I got a call from a faintly active republican friend wanting to make anti-socialism magnets for cars and he showed up at my house with the printable materials after work and we printed and cut them out (15)

I was like whoa? what's gotten into you? ::wink::

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 30, 2008 01:52 AM (5z1bn)

16 When I saw this early this afternoon the image I couldn't get out of my head was of Obama Headquarters covered with exploding heads and dirty diapers.

This is HUGE.

Posted by: Editor at October 30, 2008 01:53 AM (p4YSL)

17 Ace said: "then say that that candidate is better on all the issues, including the ones he's obviously not better on (like Obama being called better on national security)." Name an issue, and I guar-an-damn-tee ya that I think McCain's better on it than OMGbama. Tax? Economic Growth? Infanticide? Confiscation of 401Ks? Card Check? Defense? Habeus corpus? SS benefits for illegals? Attractive wife? Reparations and redistribution? OK, I'll give you the last one.

Posted by: Random at October 30, 2008 01:53 AM (L5/cz)

18 This shouldn't need to be said, but just in case:

THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT Y'ALL DON'T STILL NEED TO VOTE! EVEN IF MCCAIN STARTS LEADING IN THE POLLS!

Posted by: Dead Career Sketch at October 30, 2008 01:53 AM (JTN0y)

19 rich, do you know how I know you're gay?

you squat when you pee

Posted by: Bart at October 30, 2008 01:54 AM (Imk8E)

20 I want to be consistent in doubting this poll as I have the past polls, so I shall ask the consistent question: what do the internals demographics and partisan-split look like?

Posted by: RedFox84 at October 30, 2008 01:55 AM (FvUNj)

21 No worries, PA, thanks for the h/t.

I believe Ace was right in that the taxes were the key election issue, but he was wrong in that he thought there was only one correct way to approach it.

The McCain campaign's way of approaching it by attacking Obama on his increasingly obvious Marxism-Socialism is more powerful than attacking him on his connection to the Democrats in Congress who were behind the financial crisis.

Particularly when he did write a weak CYA letter in 2007.

Of course, these attacks opened up fortuitiously due to Joe the plumber.

Posted by: Christoph at October 30, 2008 01:55 AM (hawOV)

I guess I buy Ace's explanation, but I still don't understand how McCain doesn't have a double digit lead on taxes. It shakes my confidence in the American people honestly. I don't care what Obama and Biden say, how can you believe them when nothing in their record supports their words and when Obama was campaigning on capital gains at 28% in the primaries? You have to read between the lines here people...they aren't going to tell you everything.

Economy...yeah I can buy it. McCain has given some slam dunk opportunities and they have been exploited for all it is worth. But taxes? C'mon people!

I'm glad he is getting this message out now though. Maybe he can get it to double digits yet. Remind people about their voting records - don't let him get away with this 95% BS. Could remind them about Clinton's broken promises too, but be careful - don't want to piss off the PUMA's.

And be careful about this Khalidi stuff. You want to keep it in the conversation, but don't want it to drown out the tax message. Keep hammering this home in people's heads-it should be the winner.

Posted by: Dave S at October 30, 2008 01:56 AM (K4++v)

23 Its funny, between some of my siblings, I never discussed politics just assumed they trended Dem. Turns out this election has actually swung them right and voting McCain.

Posted by: rich at October 30, 2008 01:57 AM (rX6yO)

24 I dunno. I think the "newbie who's going to be sodomized on the world stage" message is the real winner. But they're both good.

Posted by: someone at October 30, 2008 01:59 AM (zHoxL)

25 I was posting this around a lot earlier (almost 16 hours ago-before my furnace died-and all hell broke loose around here) but it makes a lot of sense
*safe link to FoxNews* about the polls and the McCain camp's thinking
http://tinyurl.com/62j6o4

Posted by: d at October 30, 2008 02:00 AM (++2xr)

26 "but be careful - don't want to piss off the PUMA's."

ain't gonna piss them off more than Obama has. Obama has enough baggage, don't have to go into anyone else anyways.

Posted by: David at October 30, 2008 02:01 AM (HAdov)

you squat when you pee

Only on your Wheaties, Bart.

Posted by: rich at October 30, 2008 02:03 AM (rX6yO)

Ace,

you missed a big one. social security. with FL and PA and OH social security will be a big deal. Right now Obama is ahead with senior citizens. If the seniors start to break for McCain this race is over.

Posted by: unseen at October 30, 2008 02:04 AM (aVGmX)

29 And be careful about this Khalidi stuff. You want to keep it in the conversation, but don't want it to drown out the tax message. Keep hammering this home in people's heads-it should be the winner.

Concern trollege alert.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 30, 2008 02:04 AM (5z1bn)

30
I don't know if anybody has considered the consequence of McCain pulling this out at the last minute:

RightWingSparkle will basically own this blog.

Posted by: geoff at October 30, 2008 02:06 AM (2Xyg9)

31 Um, actually, we'll turn into an anti-McCain blog in about a month. Tops.

Posted by: someone at October 30, 2008 02:08 AM (zHoxL)

McCain pulling this out at the last minute:

Barackus Interruptus

Posted by: rich at October 30, 2008 02:08 AM (rX6yO)

33 Maybe it's the whiskey talking, but I'm becoming surprisingly confident that McCain is going to take it.

Posted by: Randy R at October 30, 2008 02:09 AM (r+abb)

34 Seriously, the day after election day is "shit! now what?" time no matter what happens.

I guess we start sending pennies to Sarah or somethin', either way.

Posted by: someone at October 30, 2008 02:09 AM (zHoxL)

35 This doesn't all mean you shouldn't GOTV like crazy, however!

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Posted by: someone at October 30, 2008 02:10 AM (zHoxL)

36 "It shakes my confidence in the American people honestly."

Half your population believes in murdering babies, today. (Probably a larger percentage of my country's population does.)

Half your population used to believe in slavery. (My country used to practice it too, but we jettisoned it a bit earlier.)

Yes, they are both related. They exist(ed) by defining human beings as non-persons.

Considering half the populations in our respective countries believe(d) that horrible evil, I'm not surprised they're misguided on tax policy. Many Chinese were and are great capitalists, remember, like Chiang Kai-Shek and his Nationalists who fled to Formosa (Taiwan) setting up a decent country.

America has a great constitution, but came from a former monarchy. History has ebbs and flows. Nazi sympathy was high in North America and fortunately never was a majority.

My point? Don't buy propaganda about the average American citizen -- or citizen of any nation -- being so sensible. Yes, you have to say that crap if you're running for office, but you don't actually have to believe it.

Many Americans, French, Iraqis, even Iranians are brilliant, moral, wonderful people... but many people listen to shit, watch shit, and read shit (both meanings: crappy and/or nothing at all).

I love freedom and I love the American constitution and similar political philosophies around the world. However, it's not for nothing that Benjamin Franklin once answered about the nature of the new American government they'd created:

"A republic, if you can keep it."

It isn't set in stone. It has to be kept.

My point is it doesn't shake my confidence in people. It's just how things are. There are good and bad, smart and dumb, educated and ignorant -- etc. and etc. -- people in every country. The battle against darkness: dark ideas, dark morality... is ongoing.

God Bless America! And all free nations. May the remain so and their politically involved people not become complacent nor evil.

Posted by: Christoph at October 30, 2008 02:11 AM (hawOV)

Seriously, the day after election day is "shit! now what?" time no matter what happens.

I guess we start sending pennies to Sarah or somethin', either way.
someone at October 30,

start trying to get conservatives to run for 2010 agains tpeople like Burr in NC. Take back the rep party from the RINO's

Posted by: unseen at October 30, 2008 02:11 AM (aVGmX)

29-no troll here. Just saying that the tax stuff is working and it should be working better yet, so keep with it. They can keep calling for the tape, knowing it isn't going to come out, but that's not the only thing you want on the soundbites.

I want voters to be reminded that these guys aren't going to live up to their promises on taxes, because they never do, and their party never does.

McCain should be able to get a 10-20 point lead on taxes if he plays it right. Khalidi raises doubts too, but there is only so far they can take it if those tapes aren't going to get released.

Posted by: Dave S at October 30, 2008 02:12 AM (K4++v)

39 I told my parents today to just stop worrying and vote-we're going to win.
I told them the polls were all going our way, Obama has gotten all he's gonna get.
*fingers crossed*

There's some snarky stuff over @ Drudge, I'll email that to them, it will cheer them up when they wake up.
*just shut me up, I'm slaphappy/too tired to be awake/too cold too sleep*

Posted by: d at October 30, 2008 02:13 AM (++2xr)

40 RightWingSparkle will basically own this blog.

Posted by: geoff at October 30, 2008 02:06 AM (2Xyg9)

RightWingSparkle? I don't know any RightWingSparkle? Who is RightWingSparkle?

Posted by: Editor at October 30, 2008 02:14 AM (p4YSL)

I guess we start sending pennies to Sarah or somethin', either way.

I've been sending all mine to Barry. I'll save the clean ones for Sarah.

Posted by: rich at October 30, 2008 02:17 AM (rX6yO)

42 the day after election day is "shit! now what?" time

Muddle through the next 4 years and hope you can get some real candidates next time around.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 30, 2008 02:26 AM (OqXyp)

43 Just in case, are there any other regulars who go by rich? Cause I would really be upset if you all started hating on me which would make me get all butt-hurt, cry, claim intolerance, and call everyone pissy names.

Posted by: rich at October 30, 2008 02:28 AM (rX6yO)

44
RightWingSparkle? I don't know any RightWingSparkle? Who is RightWingSparkle?

She used to be a regular here, but she left after taking tons of abuse over her advocacy of McCain. Then he became the candidate.

Score:
RWS: 1
AoSHQ Gang: 0

If he wins, it's:

RWS: Eleventy!1! (or however you kids do that)
AoSHQ Gang: Looks at ground, shuffles feet

She's still got a blog, and she's in Faces of Ace's.

Posted by: geoff at October 30, 2008 02:35 AM (2Xyg9)

#21 The McCain campaign's way of approaching it by attacking Obama on his increasingly obvious Marxism-Socialism is more powerful than attacking him on his connection to the Democrats in Congress who were behind the financial crisis.

Agree!

Posted by: Juliet16 at October 30, 2008 02:37 AM (2xgu5)

46 To Dave S #22: Three words: Low. Information. Voters.

Posted by: Random at October 30, 2008 02:41 AM (L5/cz)

47 I'm sure as hell not a concern troll, since I've been saiying Mac's gonna win by 20 states since Palin, but if the Oblunder campaign is right about McCain steering cash to Khalidi, it will seriously blunt that attack. It's not as close a connection as speaking at the fucker's going away party (too bad he didn't REALLY go away, like to his raisins), but it's still not a clean line of attack. THis close to teh day, everything needs to be simple and direct.

THese numbers are also pure poison for BO. If he's looking at this, he's got to be saying to himself, "we can't cheat enough."

Not even $600 MILLION can buy the WHite House for a commie bastard.

Also, our tiff with RWS was to tell her that she wasn't scaring us with her Hillary-mongering to push McCain. She wins only because the Dems nominated a retarded communist instead of teh patriotic but shall we say disturbingly ambitious woman.

I have a hell of a lot more respect for Hill (and here peeps) now, though, let me tell you.

Posted by: moronizer at October 30, 2008 02:54 AM (n++Yj)

48
Also, our tiff with RWS was to tell her that she wasn't scaring us with her Hillary-mongering to push McCain.

It went a bit deeper than that. The tiff lasted for weeks, during which she had to defend his record, views, and electability. She was pretty much alone in that defense - everybody else wanted Fred! or Mitt. And of course Ace wanted Rudy.

I say this as one of those who didn't believe that McCain had a frickin' prayer of getting the nomination. And who subsequently believed that he would get his clock cleaned in the election. But dang if RWS wasn't on to something...

Posted by: geoff at October 30, 2008 03:05 AM (2Xyg9)

49 Three letters people. Joe The Plumber. Three letters, count 'em. Why do you think the Obamatrons tried so desperately to destroy him? They're smart enough to know that his one question on taxes to the Obamassiah was enough to blow the lid wide open on Obamassiah's plan to tax the shit out of everyone who owns a business or earns a decent wage. The game is now officially up once the rest of AmeriKKKa saw some average dude sink the Obamassiah on his supposedly great economic plans.

Posted by: DJ Douche at October 30, 2008 03:14 AM (QKrrS)

50 Yeah geoff, it wasn't pretty, but she did ask for it (don't all the women? keed, i keed). I'm one of the ones who told her (under a different name) that I wasn't going to vote McCain.

Of course, radical commie Barack Obama made me change THAT tune.

Damn your eyes, Obama!

Posted by: moronizer at October 30, 2008 03:22 AM (n++Yj)

51 I remember arguing with RWS as well. Was she ultimately correct, who knows? Would that fiesty Rudy that we saw at the convention have fared better? A Fred that actually campaigned? I would have loved to see a Rudy/Palin ticket. Obama would be crawling back to mother Russia by now if Rudy/Palin were all over him day in and day out since the convention.

I still don't like McCain. After I help drag his ass over the finish line, I'm done with him and looking forward to helping in whatever grass roots effort pops up on the right.

Posted by: David at October 30, 2008 03:22 AM (HAdov)

52 RightWingSparkle is also hot, but, unfortunately, decent. She never really belonged here.

Posted by: Christoph at October 30, 2008 03:22 AM (hawOV)

53
She never really belonged here.

She lasted for many, many years, so I don't think that's true. She was here pretty much at the beginning of AoSHQ. She took a break from blogging (her stint at the Houston Chronicle wore her down), and it was shortly after she reappeared that the McCain brouhaha erupted. I should note that she'd already gone a few rounds at The Splitters (Innocent Bystanders) before she got embroiled here. She doesn't come to IB anymore, either.

In any case, I just wanted to acknowledge her efforts and her superior take on the field of candidates.

Posted by: geoff at October 30, 2008 03:35 AM (2Xyg9)

54 David, you're right, even with his idiotic gun rights stance, I would have preferred Rudy to Mccain. Rudy has FIRE. Obama is a smooth talking liar, and has to be debated forcefully, not politely. Give him 'due credit' and you are raising him to a level he doesn't deserve. He's a sympathizer of Khalidi, Ayers, Wright. He has raised his children in a monstrous environment of Ayers as sitter and Wright as mentor because Obama is a monster.

Mccain treats him as a collegue whom he disagrees with. Rudy would have dispensed with that crap months ago. Palin would probably be able to defeat Obama as well.

Posted by: Shill at October 30, 2008 06:01 AM (8jYMc)

55 From behind the lines here in NYC, Rudy was one abrasive SOB, but he cleaned up the city and was the only one who I clinged to and admired right after 9/11. And that speech at the convention was one for the ages. As for Fred, I recently saw his 12 minute infomercial where he was poised and direct. If only he was like that during his campaign!

I admire McCain for his service both in the Navy and as a seemingly honest forthright senator. I disagree strongly with a lot of his views on the issues, and in his insistence on being a "gentleman" in this, the lowest kinfe fight of a campaign I've ever seen.

But we're stuck with him, so he's the one we have to help Sarah Palin push over the line.

By the way, what is "teh?" Is that just a misspelling of "the" or does it have blog significnce, like pwn3d?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2008 06:25 AM (9Cooa)

56 well, the democrats spent their october surprise (going into tinfoil hat world) with Soros helping drive the collapse of the market. Now, apparently, McCain has his October surprise with stuff that should have been out in the market months ago, like during the convention, that Gee, the racist socialist is actually what he appears to be, and he hates Israel too.

Posted by: joeindc44 at October 30, 2008 08:40 AM (yrMek)

57 I am also glad for the shift because, unless the polling data is skewed by only calling heavily urban voting areas, poll skewing to democrat heavy samples should have produced the PUMA effect some have predicted.

Nope, the braindead libs have fell into line.

No PUMAs, so I am glad that voters are getting their head's straight!

Posted by: joeindc44 at October 30, 2008 08:42 AM (yrMek)

58 ``Would that fiesty Rudy that we saw at the convention have fared better? A Fred that actually campaigned? I would have loved to see a Rudy/Palin ticket.''

So would I (I was a Rudy supporter early on) but I honestly don't think he would have picked Palin. None of the middle-aged-white-guy candidates would have, which is why so many of us were shocked and awed ;-) when we got the news, and then heard her speak at the convention. And if we win this election, most of the credit will go to her.

How many of us would have been so fired up by McCain/Romney or even McCain/Giuliani?

And Christoph at #36, thanks for the kind words. Even if the Obamabots manage to steal this one, or even to win it honestly thanks to the Legions of Stupid, the rest of us are not going to curl up and die.

Posted by: Annalucia at October 30, 2008 09:52 AM (OMiLl)

59 Christoph (36) - Well said.

Posted by: lmg at October 30, 2008 10:07 AM (A/vgC)

60 You guys do realize that RWS does still comment here right? I saw one left by her just a few days ago.

Posted by: buzzion at October 30, 2008 10:13 AM (Lrsi6)

61 #60: Hadn't seen that.

Posted by: geoff at October 30, 2008 10:25 AM (4+LTj)

62 JoeInDC,

Check the early Florida voting. There is a PUMA effect. Look, just because the pollsters and the inside the belt-way thinkers don't want to see something doesn't mean it's not there.

Posted by: The Obvious at October 30, 2008 10:47 AM (1g+FW)

63 Okay. For the billionth time, check the AOL Hotseat Poll. McCain has taken almost every state in 3 out of the 4 weeks the poll has run, winning by nearly 60% each time.

I've tried ACORNing my vote (I have several screen names) but it only allows you to vote once.

At the least, it feels good to see every state red. And why the f*ck did we get stuck with that color?? Should be the other way around.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 30, 2008 11:12 AM (zpaDL)

I was very wrong about McCain's chances in the primaries and RWS was right. Crow isn't so bad - it tastes like chicken.

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65 Crow isn't so bad - it tastes like chicken.

Wash it down with an ice cold Palin

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