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ATF: Skinheads Plan to Assassinate Obama and "102 Black People" UPDATE: Utter Idiots?UPDATE: Fantasia Update: 88 and 14 (Kat-Mo)

(moved down to keep a good man's memorial above the immoral methheads - Kat)

Not to interrupt appropriate commemoration of Dean, but...

No link, yet. Fox's Neil Cavuto saying that ATF interrupted a skinhead plan to assassinate Obama and kill "102 Black People".

No other details.

Wait to get crazy. The "102 Black People" thing sounds a little odd, but that is exactly what's being quoted. How exactly do you kill that number exactly?

Skinheads suck.

Update: As noted, don't get crazy. Looks like some idiots were planning to rob a liquor store and decided to go the whole distance claiming big plot beyond their IQ.

Update II: Now they had a plot to kidnap black students and kidnap and decapitate 14 others?

Wow..this story is getting crazier by the minute. They actually said they were going to kill "eighty eight" black people and decapitate 14 more for the "102". Anyone knowing prison gangs knows that "eighty eight" is code for "HH" or Hitler (H being the eighth letter in the alphabet).

Time to slow down. Nobody knows crap. They are now saying that the "plot was credible enough to go 'pick them up'". Seems like this is actually some skinheads that have been under some sort of long term investigation and the ATF had "credible" information that they were at least talking about it and couldn't risk not "picking them up".

So, as noted, some guys talking crap in their shanty while comparing prison tats. But, Obama's in town so they "couldn't risk it."

Skinheads still suck.

UPDATE III: Okay, gun store, not a liquor store. As noted, long term investigation. Unsealed records of investigation indicate bigger plans and it looks like they were in stage I of their idiotic planning so the ATF decided to nix it now.

And, yes, two young idiots and the arrests had already occurred sometime before the story was released. One of them already had an attorney hired by the release of the story.

thanks somebody in comments for the tip.

Update IV:
Final update here and this is obviously some morons trying to figure out how to earn their "creds" with the skinheads. "88" is in reference to the eighth letter in the alphabet is "H" for Hitler and curmudgeon reminds me "14" appears to be "the 14 words that save our race" or some such garbage. Which, I believe is in reference to an oath these morons take. Sorry, you have to get the rest of your gang education somewhere else since I don't want to do more to pull any of these scumbags to the site or get some lefties screaming we know this from personal experience.

However, that is apparently how these two idiots came up with the number of people they wanted to kill: 14+88=102. Not really anything to do with how many people they could actually kill in a venue or through some sort of action. Just pure fantasy playing on their idiotic ideology.

Posted by: Open Blog at 04:20 PM



Comments

1

Odd... and frightening.

I'm about as hard core anti-Obama as anyone, but the thought of an assasination is just too damn scary.

 

Posted by: Lee at October 27, 2008 04:37 PM (TxTIh)

2 Sounds like TWO stupid fools to me. 

Posted by: 57th Dustoff at October 27, 2008 04:38 PM (jdXw+)

3 Drudge has already downgraded this. Sounds like from the report it was two retarded skinheads with a not so sophisticated plan starting with robbing a liquor store or something.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 27, 2008 04:38 PM (5j2VI)

4 Pieces of shit.

Posted by: Benson at October 27, 2008 04:39 PM (qzcNU)

5

memo to media:  Skinheads supported Ron Paul, hate McCain

the radicals on the far-left(ayers, wright, Fahrakahn) all support Obama

Posted by: jp at October 27, 2008 04:39 PM (DFDtC)

6 I wonder how long it will be until the obama nutters and the msm try to convince voters that this involved the Republican party.

Posted by: Ginger(KCLady) at October 27, 2008 04:39 PM (qSqPf)

7 How exactly do you kill that number exactly?

Just have one of the dalmations kill two.

Posted by: The Raving Atheist at October 27, 2008 04:40 PM (VKn7o)

8 Don't think I will be allowed to comment on this one.   Agree the 102 number is really strange.  Almost sounds cult related.  What is even stranger is that more than one skinhead could get together without doing meth and kicking the shit out of each other long enough to agree on a plan.

Posted by: obscenely fat sweaty he-bitch AKA ClassicCon at October 27, 2008 04:40 PM (0e8KW)

9 like skinheads can count that high.

Posted by: RiteWingFascist at October 27, 2008 04:40 PM (1hSHv)

10

if obama is elected, these type of stories will be in news all the time.

Posted by: jp at October 27, 2008 04:40 PM (DFDtC)

11

I don't have access to TV. But if it's two meth addicted idiots as the commenters seem to be suggesting, that's more reassuring..

Posted by: Lee at October 27, 2008 04:41 PM (TxTIh)

12 memo to media:  Skinheads supported Ron Paul, hate McCain

Won't matter.  They're (presumably) white and they opposed The One, thus it's automatically an indictment of every honky who doesn't drink the kool-aid.

Posted by: apotheosis at October 27, 2008 04:42 PM (xWk3U)

13 they got the number 102 because skinheads tend to have odd numbers of fingers and toes...

Posted by: richard mcenroe at October 27, 2008 04:42 PM (urFiJ)

14 yeah, whatevs. hard core losers....how convenient for this story to materialize the same day as Barry's dream to have redistributive change, huh?

Posted by: funky chicken at October 27, 2008 04:42 PM (xyyHG)

15 What is even stranger is that more than one skinhead could get together without doing meth and kicking the shit out of each other long enough to agree on a plan.

pretty much what this is.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 27, 2008 04:42 PM (5j2VI)

16 This is why we need a third party.

Posted by: Chopper at October 27, 2008 04:43 PM (o1ZtJ)

17 It's national socialists vs. international socialists.

Posted by: tachyonshuggy at October 27, 2008 04:43 PM (TXp3z)

18 Here's the link via AP

http://tinyurl.com/5ku9nm

Posted by: cadetwithchips2 at October 27, 2008 04:43 PM (PoUlE)

19 This type of story came up before and then was downgraded. It is something for the MSM to spout and allow them to bury the more important stories about That One.

Posted by: incognito at October 27, 2008 04:43 PM (Rpam5)

20 You'd think the skinheads would appreciate, not hate, Obama's fondness and adherence to Hitler's values.

Posted by: Bart at October 27, 2008 04:44 PM (wIDgz)

21 I'm thinking that this story is total bull shit.

But that's just me.

Posted by: SlaveDog at October 27, 2008 04:45 PM (HbGEL)

22 The ATF says it has broken up a plot to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 102 black people in a Tennessee murder spree.

In court records unsealed Monday, agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target an unnamed but predominantly African-American high school by two neo-Nazi skinheads.

---

gun store, not Liquor store. But still.

Drudge has reinstated "redistribution" as top headline.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 27, 2008 04:45 PM (5j2VI)

23 Two angry high school kids?

It sounds like the attack on the high school is a lot more credible than the threat to Obama.

So they were going to kill 102 high school kids and then assassinate Obama? I hate to downplay this sort of thing, but that just doesn't sound all that plausible.

The feds need to take this sort of thing very, very seriously. But I'm not sure that I do.

Posted by: TomV at October 27, 2008 04:45 PM (/PwQS)

24 Yep.  Two fucking losers who were planning to rob a gun store ( guess they don't already own any guns or bullets ) and kill then try to Obama ( when he's,  like,  you know,  like,  at the mall or something,  talking and stuff )  or kill 102 black people at a predominantly black high school ( Cause that's totally how many they killed playing Doom at Josh's house last Thursday after school!  It was Totally fucking "game on" and shit! ) if they couldn't pull off killing that other guy.

Probably no photos of these fucking losers to come because they're probably under age ass holes without a fucking clue.

Posted by: Dang at October 27, 2008 04:45 PM (XFyLb)

25 Just in case somebody at the margin thinks this would be a good idea, let me say for the record that I think a assignation of anybody but especially of Obama would be an unqualified disaster for us (the conservatives).

We must have things like the effigy-hanging and the guillotine display be the worst of the bad acts.

Posted by: Larry Sheldon at October 27, 2008 04:47 PM (OmeRL)

26 I finally read the article.  Idiotic fantasy.  This shouldn't get much play in the press.  If they push it too hard, people will look at the details and conclude it's no more serious than the wino on the street babbling about his million-dollar idea.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 27, 2008 04:47 PM (T0NGe)

27 They should carve backward B's in their faces, guess that will happen in prison now.

Posted by: obscenely fat sweaty he-bitch AKA ClassicCon at October 27, 2008 04:49 PM (0e8KW)

28 Well, John Allen Muhammad planned to kill 180 white people, and he got a lot closer to it than these idiots did.

Check out his Wikipedia page.

Posted by: Worried dude at October 27, 2008 04:49 PM (qSkZs)

29

Sounds like from the report it was two retarded skinheads with a not so sophisticated plan starting with robbing a liquor store or something.

When your action plan starts with robbing a liquor store, you've got to know at some level that your plan really sucks. The odds of making to step 2 are pretty low, and step 27 "Killing Obama" is just the meth talking.

Posted by: Mوtenloch at October 27, 2008 04:50 PM (cqaC+)

30

Is this the same story from months and months ago about the meth-head skinheads that said they were going to steal weapons to kill Obama but now being re-reported after the investigation has been completed? (Or was that in Las Vegas?)

Posted by: andycanuck at October 27, 2008 04:51 PM (GGy7k)

31 i question the timing...

Posted by: spypeach at October 27, 2008 04:51 PM (QwWKI)

32 I'd rather defeat Obama's ideas and the ballot box. I can't wait until after Election Day and see that smirk erased.

Posted by: Tiny Smeagle at October 27, 2008 04:52 PM (Pm4Zh)

33 These assholes couldn't successfully conspire to meet at the mall. Some have ass suggestion plus talking shit does not make a plan. But, of course the MSM will spin it for all it's worth. Remember recently Bush got threats that were not reported but the ones on Obama were given headlines? And those never panned out either.

The only real threats have been against the RNC -- the guys making the firebombs.

Posted by: Thomas E. Dewey '48 at October 27, 2008 04:52 PM (clO3l)

34 andycanuck

you might be right since THIS story says

"In court records unsealed Monday"

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 27, 2008 04:52 PM (5j2VI)

35 When you're sitting there and they say "You have the right to remain silent" Sometimes its just the right thing to do. Honestly! Now Obama gets a sympathy boost in the messed up polls because they're racists to boot.

Posted by: Dave in PB at October 27, 2008 04:53 PM (CTSya)

36 ATF has an interesting sense of timing...perhaps they're angling to have a Dem back in the White House?  Just sayin...I think Obama should be assignated to the socialist column. 

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 27, 2008 04:54 PM (n2eCn)

37 yeah...this one went on the radar

---


Man admits making Molotov cocktails for convention

Originally published 10:40 a.m., October 22, 2008, updated 10:20 a.m., October 22, 2008

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) - Federal officials in Minneapolis say a man suspected of planning to attack the Republican National Convention has pleaded guilty to possessing Molotov cocktails.

The U.S. attorney's office in Minneapolis says 23-year-old Matthew Bradley DePalma of Flint, Mich., entered his plea Tuesday to a charge of possession of destructive devices.

Authorities say DePalma had made at least five Molotov cocktails by the time he was arrested on Aug. 28.

He had allegedly told an FBI informant he planned to attack the convention site in St. Paul and had described a plan to use the fire bombs on police.

DePalma has not yet been sentenced. He faces a maximum of 10 years in prison.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 27, 2008 04:55 PM (5j2VI)

38 ATF has an interesting sense of timing...

Honestly, I think Andy it right...see above. Court records unsealed, I think this is a rehash.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 27, 2008 04:56 PM (5j2VI)

39 So they were going to kill 102 high school kids and then assassinate Obama? I hate to downplay this sort of thing, but that just doesn't sound all that plausible.

The feds need to take this sort of thing very, very seriously. But I'm not sure that I do.

Exactly, and kudos to the Bush Justice department for getting on this!

Posted by: AmishDude at October 27, 2008 04:57 PM (T0NGe)

40 On the other hand, it could have been the Water Underground and been ignored by the media altogether.

Posted by: Michelle's American White Racist at October 27, 2008 04:59 PM (NLtVk)

41 What, no link to Sarah Palin?

Posted by: Jim62sch at October 27, 2008 04:59 PM (X4hru)

42

Their ages are 18 and 20. That should say it all. Not sure what credible info they could have had beyond the fact that they had guns.

The men, Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tenn., and Paul Schlesselman 18, of West Helena, Ark., are being held without bond. Agents seized a rifle, a sawed-off shotgun and three pistols from the men when they were arrested. Authorities alleged the two men were preparing to break into a gun shop to steal more.

What I want to know it, what the hell does it mean that they say the information was obtained from court records that were "unsealed today"?

In court records unsealed Monday, federal agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target a predominantly African-American high school by two neo-Nazi skinheads. Agents said the skinheads did not identify the school by name.

 

 

Posted by: Destini at October 27, 2008 04:59 PM (duUdu)

43 Funny the MSM isn't worried about the "anti-skinhead backlash".  After all, it wasn't all skinheads who plotted this, just a fringe group with their perversion of skinheadism. Maybe if the skinheads had a front group they'd get better press.

Posted by: Maybe Next Year at October 27, 2008 04:59 PM (uiKEv)

44 102 is easy to figure out.  They find two friends and get one black person for each finger and toe.

Posted by: Phelps at October 27, 2008 05:00 PM (cZ9iu)

45 >Anyone knowing prison gangs knows that "eighty eight" is code for "HH" or Hitler (H being the eighth letter in the alphabet).<

And Kat-Mo knows this how, exactly?

I guess I need to catch up on prison gang lore, or something.


Posted by: SlaveDog at October 27, 2008 05:01 PM (HbGEL)

46 I'm pasting this here too to remind all that crazies are everywhere and the MSM didn't mind all these plots:

DePalma spent about 90 minutes at the Hennepin County Library on Aug. 18 researching recipes for homemade bombs. He bought the supplies for Molotov cocktails a few days later.

He said that if he could bomb the Xcel Center on Sept. 1, "they might call off the convention."

He added that a "power outage would say a lot" and that it was his "main purpose." DePalma also said that he would like to bomb the Xcel Energy Center on Sept. 4 so that the convention would "end with a bang."

On Aug. 22, DePalma allegedly made two jugs of a homemade napalm-like substance for use in the Molotov cocktails. He was seen traveling to a remote location in Rosemount to allegedly assemble and test the Molotov cocktails.

DePalma faces a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison. Sentencing has yet to be scheduled.

In an unrelated case, two Texas men have been indicted by a federal grand jury for allegedly making Molotov cocktails during the convention. The Texans are accused of planning to use the bombs on police cars parked in a lot not far from the Xcel Center. David McKay and Bradley Crowder were part of a group of convention protesters that came north to St. Paul from Austin, Texas. Police found the bombs in a common area of an apartment building that the men were seen entering and leaving.

They allegedly bought the supplies for their bombs at a St. Paul Wal-Mart.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 27, 2008 05:03 PM (5j2VI)

47

Two fucking losers who were planning to rob a gun store ( guess they don't already own any guns or bullets )

I could understand the logic of perhaps burglarizing a gun store when you have no guns. But to rob a gun store, a place where the owner and/or employees are likely to be strapped with lethal hardware, is just a dumb way to commit suicide.

Posted by: Jim62sch at October 27, 2008 05:03 PM (X4hru)

48 Kat-Mo knows because half of my family is in law enforcement and I get to read their educational materials.

Posted by: Kat-Mo at October 27, 2008 05:04 PM (GxnBZ)

49 Plus, watch A&E "Inside American Prisons".  You can learn way too much about the prison system.

Posted by: Kat-Mo at October 27, 2008 05:05 PM (GxnBZ)

50

Listening to the breathless reporting on this now. How fucking ridiculous.

 

I hear Step 3 of their grand plan was taking over the US government and modifying our nuclear weapons so that they only kill non-whites and exploding them in the US and all over the word as well.

 

It's probably not much more than two drunk yahoos being overheard in a bar or something and then an undercover ATF or FBI guy befriended them to learn more about their Grand Evil Plan to eliminate The One.

Posted by: SamIam at October 27, 2008 05:05 PM (jl7C/)

51

I guess I need to catch up on prison gang lore, or something.

Don't forget your mackerel packs and yoru pruno supplies.

Posted by: Mوtenloch at October 27, 2008 05:06 PM (cqaC+)

52 A couple of meth heads said the same thing when they were caught with guns driving towards Denver before the DNC.

This may or may not have been a credible threat, but it sounds like the ATF has taken a couple of real cretins off the street.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at October 27, 2008 05:06 PM (Ulsfn)

53 “They said that would be their last, final act — that they would attempt to kill Sen. Obama,” Cavanaugh said. “They didn’t believe they would be able to do it, but that they would get killed trying.”

Dumb and dumber.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 27, 2008 05:07 PM (5j2VI)

54 When your action plan starts with robbing a liquor store, you've got to know at some level that your plan really sucks. The odds of making to step 2 are pretty low, and step 27 "Killing Obama" is just the meth talking.

If they had read Fugitive Days they would know the way to get cash to bankroll terrorism is through bank and armored car heists.

Posted by: Thomas E. Dewey '48 at October 27, 2008 05:08 PM (clO3l)

55 Whoa ... what happened to the podcast link? I was typing and then POOF.

Posted by: incognito at October 27, 2008 05:09 PM (Rpam5)

56 The last paragraph is the most important. Non-story?


WASHINGTON (Oct. 27) - Federal agents have broken up a plot to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 102 black people in a Tennessee murder spree, the ATF said Monday.
In court records unsealed Monday, federal agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target a predominantly African-American high school by two neo-Nazi skinheads. Agents said the skinheads did not identify the school by name.
Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of the Nashville field office for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said the two men planned to shoot 88 black people and decapitate another 14. The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community.
The men also sought to go on a national killing spree, with Obama as its final target, Cavanaugh told The Associated Press.
"They said that would be their last, final act — that they would attempt to kill Sen. Obama," Cavanaugh said. "They didn't believe they would be able to do it, but that they would get killed trying."


Posted by: locus ceruleus at October 27, 2008 05:10 PM (e2mBS)

57 If they had read Fugitive Days they would know the way to get cash to bankroll terrorism is through bank and armored car heists.

Or grants through the Chicago Annenberg Challenge and Wood's Foundation...

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at October 27, 2008 05:10 PM (Ulsfn)

58 So, the AP runs this non-story because of the bad press on BO. Gee, I didn't see that one coming. /sarc

Posted by: incognito at October 27, 2008 05:11 PM (Rpam5)

59 Incognito

I thought I broke it. Now I can blame it on you.

Posted by: locus ceruleus at October 27, 2008 05:11 PM (e2mBS)

60 I think this is a rehash of an old story that unfolded a couple of weeks ago.  I remember seeing photos of a couple of losers on FoxNews.  Are these the same guys?

Posted by: Dang at October 27, 2008 05:11 PM (XFyLb)

61 Oh shit, locus ... all I did was hit submit.

Posted by: incognito at October 27, 2008 05:12 PM (Rpam5)

62 Idiot terrorist. Now if they had befriended Obama instead, everyone would have left them alone and politely not talked about their plot to kill 109 people.


Posted by: TomV at October 27, 2008 05:13 PM (/PwQS)

63 What happened to the new Vera thread?

Shit.  I had a Pulitzer Prize winning comment on that thread.  It's gone forever now.  Dashed hopes again.

Posted by: SlaveDog at October 27, 2008 05:13 PM (HbGEL)

64

Here's what I was thinking of from August 25 and re. Denver and not Las Vegas. We'll have to see if it's the same assholes/same case. (Although probably not.)

Thank you, Herr Baron, for jogging my memory more exactly.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 27, 2008 05:13 PM (GGy7k)

65 The men, Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tenn., and Paul Schlesselman 18, of West Helena, Ark.,

Schlesselman? I blame the jooos!!

Seriously though, I see the 88 significance to skinheads. But where does the 14 (or 102 total) come from? 

Posted by: wooga at October 27, 2008 05:13 PM (t9sT5)

66 #56

Yep.  Sounds like a couple of losers who jack-off watching Natural Born Killers.  I blame Oliver Stone.

Posted by: Dang at October 27, 2008 05:13 PM (XFyLb)

67 What I want to know it, what the hell does it mean that they say the information was obtained from court records that were "unsealed today"?

There may have been a search warrant involved where law enforcement must show probable cause. After the warrant is served, it is unsealed and they file a report of what was seized.

Posted by: Thomas E. Dewey '48 at October 27, 2008 05:14 PM (clO3l)

68 This will be blamed on McCain's harsh rhetoric. There's also a good chance it will follow the Ted Stevens story on the evening news, just to connect Republicans with skinheads.

Posted by: ricky at October 27, 2008 05:14 PM (iD5Bq)

69 Hey locus ... it was Slave Dog who did it!! Aha!

Posted by: incognito at October 27, 2008 05:15 PM (Rpam5)

70 I blame Oliver Stone.

I blame Jane Hamsher.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 27, 2008 05:15 PM (5j2VI)

71 So, as conspiracy's go, there does not seem to be the necessary act in furtherance of. Instead, they just picked them up because they were threatening a candidate?

Posted by: Thomas E. Dewey '48 at October 27, 2008 05:16 PM (clO3l)

72 63 What happened to the new Vera thread?

Shit.  I had a Pulitzer Prize winning comment on that thread.  It's gone forever now.  Dashed hopes again.

I was trying to post some real funny stuff on that post and I kept getting the message that my post looked like spam.  I wonder if it was a hack into Ace of Spades.  Very weird.  All the text was marked out earlier.  Like this.  Weird stuff today.

Posted by: Dang at October 27, 2008 05:17 PM (XFyLb)

73 Burton is getting H-A-M-M-E-R-E-D by the lovely and talented Ms Kelly now. Fabuluous!

Posted by: CInAz at October 27, 2008 05:17 PM (qIOmI)

74 "For the Obama plot, the legal documents show, Cowart and Schlesselman 'planned to drive their vehicle as fast as they could toward Obama shooting at him from the windows.'" Of course, this part of the plan depended on Mom letting them borrow the car and spotting them $50.00 for gas.

Of course, the willing to die trying to kill mentality is a Secret Service nightmare. Good on the ATF for busting them before they were a risk to anybody.

Posted by: Penfold at October 27, 2008 05:18 PM (lF2Kk)

75 If the gun story carried the latest in phased plasma rifles they might have had a chance.  Otherwise, not so much.

Posted by: toby928 at October 27, 2008 05:19 PM (PD1tk)

76 If anybody believes these dipshits were serious about doing this (or had a chance in hell of doing it even if they were serious), then i've got a magic dog that shits gold to sell you. This story is intended to bring out ye olde white guilt right before the election.

Posted by: koopy at October 27, 2008 05:20 PM (a58Oa)

77 Burton is such a fucking asshole. He tried to spin it and Meghan wouldn't allow it. His final say, I understand you have an agenda. What a putz!

Posted by: incognito at October 27, 2008 05:20 PM (Rpam5)

78 70 I blame Oliver Stone.

I blame Jane Hamsher.

No shit.  I Googled her because she's an obscure bitch known only to savvy insiders,  and there she is,  posing with Bill Clinton.  I blame her now.  But Oliver Stone,  too.  But not Rodney Dangerfield.

Posted by: Dang at October 27, 2008 05:20 PM (XFyLb)

79 >Kat-Mo knows because half of my family is in law enforcement and I get to read their educational materials.<

O.K.

Hmm... just wondering.  Does Kat-Mo have a badge?

Posted by: SlaveDog at October 27, 2008 05:20 PM (HbGEL)

80 Yeah ... What happened to the nips

Posted by: Dave in PB at October 27, 2008 05:21 PM (CTSya)

81 Were they planning on blowing up the Sears Tower too?

Posted by: myiq2xu at October 27, 2008 05:22 PM (twWym)

82 in all sobriety Ace. Slavedog was the last on the thread and therefore I am guilty as sin and free as a bird. I would like to see that video eventually.

Posted by: locus ceruleus at October 27, 2008 05:22 PM (e2mBS)

83 Oh. Sounds like Dave in PB was last in the thread.

Posted by: locus ceruleus at October 27, 2008 05:24 PM (e2mBS)

84 Seriously though, I see the 88 significance to skinheads. But where does the 14 (or 102 total) come from? 

Posted by: wooga at October 27, 2008 05:13 PM (t9sT5)


My guess, based on previous "plots" by such wonderful specimens of youth?


The 14 people are probably the "original" people they wanted to off.  Like a list of people that ticked them off.  and then they decided to make it all skinhead like with the added "88".  Cause you know they are so damned brilliant and all. 

Obama probably came right as they were smoking their 50th meth rock.


Posted by: Kat-Mo at October 27, 2008 05:25 PM (GxnBZ)

85

ATF does some good for once.  Still, while I'm glad they're off the streets,  "ATF disrupts skinhead plot to assassinate Obama" isn't a very nuanced way to describe two losers who thought they were going to successfully rob a gun store en route to a high school massacre and somehow penetrate secret service coverage to bag a presidential nominee along the way.

I will be curious about the type of surveillance.  ATF has a record of using informers as provocateurs in stings.  Which I'm conflicted about in principle (not necessarily in this case, though):  on the one hand, its darwinism in action and you certainly don't want someone that suggestible wandering around loose.  On the other hand, some of the cases they've built have seemed like the guilty party could have gone their whole life without ever being talked into anything by anyone but an ATF informer.  In one of the lesser-known militia cases in the late nineties that sent several people to prison, it turned out that the three movers and shakers in the group were each informants from different agencies; the guys on the fringe who went to jail mostly sat on their asses before getting nailed on technical gun or explosive violations, and might never have done more than bitch about Clinton.

Posted by: Saladman at October 27, 2008 05:25 PM (HLXRb)

86 79 >Kat-Mo knows because half of my family is in law enforcement and I get to read their educational materials.<

O.K.

Hmm... just wondering.  Does Kat-Mo have a badge?

Only in your fantasies.

Posted by: Kat-Mo at October 27, 2008 05:28 PM (GxnBZ)

87 Did Megan just flat-out say the rest of the media is in the tank for Obama?

Wow.

Good for her.

It's obvious, but still good for her for pointing it out.

Posted by: TomV at October 27, 2008 05:30 PM (/PwQS)

88 The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community.

Marvin Harrison?  Tony Gonzalez?  Brad Johnson?  Brandon Stokely?

Most of the 14s seem to be on the practice squad, hrm.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at October 27, 2008 05:31 PM (yG+tb)

89 They heard the one was going to legalize meth. There goes the livelihood!

Posted by: Dennis at October 27, 2008 05:32 PM (HPd5W)

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Posted by: Ayers n' Dhorn at October 27, 2008 05:36 PM (ZLYNs)

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Any minute now the left will jump to the defense of these skinheads, claiming that, like those gents down in Florida ("there's no way that this fantasy could ever be pulled off; they were just mouthing off") or those 2 Egyptian students that planned to attack a Naval base, these poor white fellows were targeted for their race, labeled 'terrorists' because of their beliefs, and are the subject of a witch hunt, since there is so much backlash against whites for the racism they've shown obama during this election season.

Any.  Minute.  Now.

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Posted by: andycanuck at October 27, 2008 05:42 PM (GGy7k)

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Seriously though, I see the 88 significance to skinheads. But where does the 14 (or 102 total) come from? 

I am told the neo-nazis have a slogan "14 words to save our race" as well. But I don't know what they are.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 27, 2008 05:44 PM (ujg0T)

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The only significance of "14" I've ever heard of was in reference to Norteno gangs ("N" being the 14th letter of the alphabet)

But why would skinhead trailer trash be using it?

Posted by: myiq2xu at October 27, 2008 05:45 PM (twWym)

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I should have looked it up. Here is what wikipedia claims.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 27, 2008 05:48 PM (ujg0T)

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Meth really does a lot to boost one’s confidence…and sense of style.

 

For the Obama plot, the legal documents show, Cowart and Schlesselman "planned to drive their vehicle as fast as they could toward Obama shooting at him from the windows."

 

"Both individuals stated they would dress in all white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt," the court complaint states. "Both individuals further stated they knew they would and were willing to die during this attempt."

Posted by: PineCurtain at October 27, 2008 05:49 PM (g44vZ)

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You're asking the right question.  They were arrested last Wednesday. 

Who's guessing the O camp had a "Freedom of Information Act" letter ready for when they needed it?

Yeah. 

Of course, I'm not a lawya' or in law enforcement, so I could be talking out my ass.

Posted by: Editor at October 27, 2008 05:53 PM (GTpOW)

100 Is this like the guy who was going to hit  Bush and Obama but the media only mentioned the Obama part?

Posted by: Wilhelm Klink at October 27, 2008 05:55 PM (8D00g)

101 @99

You could, potentially, FOIA something like that, but FOIA response times from the DoJ are not exactly speedy, plus there are a number of exemptions, primarily the law-enforcement exemption. Plus the stuff you get from FOIA is often redacted, sometimes heavily.

Plus the criminal complaint, in this case, is available online from PACER for a nominal per page fee.

Posted by: Penfold at October 27, 2008 06:10 PM (lF2Kk)

102 You know, Obama might be able to get some sympathy here if he didn't launch his state Senate campaign in the living room of a man who wanted to do essentially the same thing to John McCain's friends.

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Sorry, you have to get the rest of your gang education somewhere else since I don't want to do more to pull any of these scumbags to the site or get some lefties screaming we know this from personal experience.

I was worried some Commiecrat would do the same when I posted the wikipedia link. But I figured information is information (at least wiki-info, anyway) 

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 27, 2008 06:15 PM (ujg0T)

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Posted by: Kat-Mo at October 27, 2008 06:21 PM (GxnBZ)

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The AP photo looks like the guy is wearing lipstick and eye shadow. Attack of the Neo-Tranny-Nazis.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 27, 2008 06:50 PM (GGy7k)

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Posted by: someone at October 27, 2008 07:11 PM (zHoxL)

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Posted by: kidney at October 27, 2008 07:27 PM (QAdII)

109 like that bitch who carved a B into her face and gave herself black eyes,  these mother fuckers were probably Ron Paul supporters.

The white supremacy culture in this country has its roots in the Democratic Party.  When people talk about the 'sad' legacy of the USA, they are probably referring to the legacy of the Democrats.  Why shouldn't the democratic party alone shoulder the burden of apologizing for creating the KKK, segregation, opposing abolition, fighting and killing MLK and interning the Japanese?  These skinheads probably weren't exactly fans of the war on drugs, either.  Yep, I wonder how many of them gave a few bucks to Ron Paul via stormfront...

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From Jeralyn at TalkLeft, reading from the indictment:

Another person mentioned is Cowart's friend, a woman named Danni Stafford. Since she wasn't charged, I'm assuming she's the one who dropped the dime on the two guys. According to the complaint, she agreed to assist them in a home robbery by driving the car. She drove them to the house the pair were going to rob and then drove to a waiting area. A dog and two cars scared the guys off and they called her to come back and get them. She did, they all left, and she went home.

These guys weren't afraid to die but were scared of two cars and a dog?

WTF?  They don't make skinheads the way they used to.

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111 Yep, Ayers thinks we should 'get over it' when we are upset that he was attempting to kill hundreds of our troops at Ft. Dix.  He isn't any different from these skinheads.  He's just on the other side of the war of the racists.  I wish we could send them all off to Utah to duke it out.

Posted by: Shill at October 27, 2008 07:58 PM (8jYMc)

112 "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."
-David Lanes 14 words.

Just googled it

Posted by: Tiny Smeagle at October 27, 2008 10:26 PM (BgVRV)

113 This is obviously a dummycrat diversion. For one, in Tennessee we don't have to rob gun stores to get guns - we already have plenty. And two, I don't buy the white suits and top hats thang either - the most we do in Tennessee to look good is brush out our mullets. And finally, their makeup (doubtful they're real tattoos) looks like they were done in a brothel.

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attempting to kill hundreds of our troops at Ft. Dix

And all of their dates that night at the dance.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 27, 2008 11:24 PM (GGy7k)

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Looks like President Bush is saving Obama from himself.

I wonder if Barry has enough integrity to send President Bush a note of thanks for not listening to Obama and his fellow terrorist-rights comrades. 

I guess we can mark off "tracking possible terrorists" from Barry's list of "policies of the last 8 years" he is always ranting about.

 

 

Posted by: LogicalUS at October 27, 2008 11:46 PM (1qLzq)

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ATF Didn't get them, county mounties nailed them and turned the info over to the fed's.

Feds disrupt alleged skinhead plot to kill Obama

Sheriffs' deputies in Crockett County, Tenn., arrested the two suspects—Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tenn., and Paul Schlesselman 18, of Helena-West Helena, Ark.—Oct. 22 on unspecified charges. "Once we arrested the defendants and suspected they had violated federal law, we immediately contacted federal authorities," said Crockett County Sheriff Troy Klyce.

Posted by: Hazy at October 28, 2008 02:24 AM (XWJh5)

117 Great, skinhead groups have been reduced to accepting Jewish leather bar refugees who wear top hats, tails, and fake Hitler mustaches to a political assassination, presumably to break out into show tunes while letting the bullets fly.

Either Neo-Nazi groups are becoming more diverse and inclusive, or we've won this particular battle.

There has to be some honorary Darwin award for these guys for the desire to become prison punks most likely to acquire HIV.

Posted by: Hucbald at October 28, 2008 10:17 AM (az5uJ)

118 This sounds like the kind of plan I can see falling short right at the oh, 'rob a gun store' stage or something.

Those ain't 7-11 clerks in those places.

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Radical white supre......well, I won't even spell "supreme" out..because.. these possible "would be murderers" don't deserve any supreme treatment. A plot to kill innocent people whether black or white is insane and represents ignorance. 

These idiots are uneducated, like many in the world. These are terroist right here in America.

Alot of these tyoe of people believe that only "full white Christains" should have power /rights in America. Is that being a Christian?

 

These foolish bigots are a waste. They are a minority (in this case a disgrace minority).

 

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