1 Can I get a "Fuck yeah!"?

2 You can!

3 fuck yeah!!

4 I hope no innocent civilians were killed.

5

Break out the Val-U-Rite

6 No pictures of the wedding?

7 The only innocent civilians killed in the raid were carrying AK-47's and not considered combatants according to liberals and the UN. 

8 Our spec ops are getting a little sloppy... YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO LEAVE ANY WITTNESSES!!!

9 I question the timing!

10 Today someone mentioned the time Bush saved his bodyguard in Chile?

Wouldn't it be great to gather your favorite moments and send them to him in January.

He has taken a beating since 9-11, and Laura is a pain...burka wearing, george you shouldn't kill Osama, blah blah.....he needs our love.

Pundits are calling the demise of the GOP, sorry msm and rinos, we just needed a candidate.other than McAmnesty and we would have wiped floor with our platform..SARAH USA SARAH USA

11 Vinnie Borden took an axe/ Gave Lizzie 40 whacks/ When he saw what he had done/ He watched internet porn and gave himself 41

12 How many kites were destroyed?

13 "The only innocent civilians killed in the raid were carrying AK-47's and not considered combatants according to liberals and the UN."

How do you know, shithead?

14 Lizzie,

Give yourself the 40 whacks.

15

#11 - "Troops overwhelmingly are excited to get Obama as their Commander in Chief"

That statement is so mind numbingly wrong it is hard to believe you posted it.  All the military folks that I know (and there are a bunch) are getting ready to resign if O becomes the CIC.  Every poll of military personnel show overwhelming support (like 70-30) for McCain.  And with the Dems openly calling for defense cuts that O will sign off on the military will once again be hollowed out as it was under Carter and then again under Clinton.

16 #13

Eh, I read #7 as sarcasm...  FWIW

17 Lizzie is a fucking laugh a minute. I really do pity her when election day comes and goes. I really do fear for her, knowing her messiah lost. She might have to triple her meds.

18

This is NOT the first raid into Syria guys. We have been doing these all along.

19

Did we net a big fish?

Well, I hope not for my brother's sake.

20 "Troops overwhelmingly are excited to get President Obama as their commander in chief."

Lizzie, you're a liar: You have no evidence for your assertion because you can't. The proof is on the other side.

Further, you support a terrorist-associating bastard who's an infanticide-supporting asshole.

You're an evil person and I'm sure you value your right to "choose". In a just society, if you made such a choice, you would be shot.

21 #11

Maybe there will come a time when military families look forward to a Democratic White House and Congress.  But that time is not now.  As of now, the memories of Kerry, Pelosi, and Murtha are still fresh. 

22 Yeah!

Concern trolls and Obamabots!

Next you'll see,

I'm a concerned Christian Republican Conservative, I voted for Bush 3 times but what I'm seeing in this campaign is making me concerned.

Blah blah blah...

23 JavaJoe, you are stupid. But you vote for the right side, so I can forgive that.

24 You seem concerned Chrissy.

25 Well one thing's for sure, we can kiss stories like these goodbye if the one is elected. 

26 The sentence, "I hope no innocent civilians were killed," is hardly an example of trolling.

The U.S. military commander in this operation/theater is or ought to be concerned about that. And I'm sure they are.

It's not their main concern -- nor should it be: Accomplishing their mission is and collateral damage is both a risk and a reality.

However, as a human being, one who is "concerned", I can hope, for what little good it does, that no innocent people died in the operation. That's hardly unreasonable.

27

One can only hope that Bush finally kicks in for Cainer and keeps this up all week, changing the subject to foreign policy...Obama will screw up answering questions about this.

28 Well one thing's for sure, we can kiss stories like these goodbye if the one is elected.

No, stories like these will be plastered as the greatest military victory since Midway if Barry is the CinC.

29 Oh, Lizzie, you made that one far too easy for me. Try better next time, k?

30 As a concerned Christian conservative, I find this information disturbing. I may just have to vote for Obama, and since I live in Pa, I may have to vote for him 25-26 times.

31 Christoph, keeping civilian deaths to a minimum is a worthy goal, but when "innocent civilians" are acting as human shields it's kinda hard to successfully complete a mission without a few "innocents" biting the dust.

32

I think its a good sign to see trolls and Obamanots.

Bush has to get Osama next week and we're all set.

33

How do you know, shithead?

Education can be both beneficial and seductive.  Try it!

34

President Obama has promised to step up the War on Terror.

By unconditionally surrendering the war in Iraq, acknowledged by the DoD, the U.S. military, and, you know, the terrorists as the front line campaign in the War on Terror.

And a war that we pretty much can't lose at this point without the intervention of Barack Obama and his "we must surrender because we can only confront evil with 'humility'!!!!!" anti-American psychosis.

I predict under President Obama that Bin Laden will be captured.

He's dead, you stupid bitch.  He's been dead for years.  He's dead like so, so many of his Al Qaeda cohorts, courtesy of the U.S. military under George W. Bush.  Al Qaeda is a spent and fractured force, despite the vaginal blubberings of beta-male pussies like Barack Obama.

But by all means, let's elect a corrupt, incompetent, unaccomplished, racist, Marxist buffoon so he can dedicate the military (that he intends to burn to the ground with budget cuts) to dredging up bin Laden's teeth in a cave somewhere.  Islamic terrorism problem solved!  Bin Laden is, after all, the Head Jihadi Vampire!

Troops overwhelmingly are excited to get President Obama as their commander in chief.

Wow.  Just wow.  If you're a parody, you're leaning awfully close over the "way too obvious" line.  Best step it back a bit to keep the skit going.  Not even Kos himself would spit out Axelrod's cock long enough to choke up something this intellectually dishonest and detached from reality.

35 Chrissy,

Yes, your concern has no bounds.

You read a story like this that the military is kicking butt and your heart bleeds for the innocent (no proof of any) civilians slaughtered. Then when someone comments that the innocents were carrying AK47s you call him a shithead, then me stupid.

I'm concerned for you.

36 "Education can be both beneficial and seductive. Try it!"

Posted by: Fish at October 26, 2008 07:30 PM (6Rihj)

You don't know. You're stupid and ignorant in addition to being an immoral shithead around concern -- yes, concern -- about innocent life.

Education would lead one to this blatantly obvious conclusion: civilians sometimes die in military operations.

37 aww @15: I sorta' thought that might be the attitude within the military wrt an Obama presidency. It makes me wonder if that wouldn't force the MFs hand on reinstitution of the draft.

Don't get me wrong, I don't blame those serving in the military one tiny bit, I'd do the same if I were in their position. Reminds me of the military folks I worked with during the Clinton years.

38

Vjay:

What about that Times of India report on Bin Laden? All false psyops?

If so, who's running the show now if Bin Laden is dead?

39 I urge the United States and Syria to suspend their military activities so we can ask the UN what to do.

40

I hope there was collateral damage, meaning Syrian civilians. They don't overthrow the Assad dynasty, they can suffer the consequences. Fuck them.

Of course, action like this will be a thing of the past come next January, when The One travels to Damascus to apologize.

41 Christoph, people are just twigging on the fact that Syria's reporting -all- the injuries as civilians.

"Five insurgents and a civilian were killed..." -> ok, reasonable.

But if the statement is '100% of injuries were to civilians', then we're in Baghdad Bob territory.

42

You're stupid and ignorant

 

1963-64  Co A, 1st Special Forces Group(Abn), TDY from Okinawa to I Corp, Team A-113, Republic of Vietnam

1966-67 118th Assault Helicopter Co, Bandit Gun Platoon, Bandit 32, III Corp, Bien Hoa, Republic of Vietnam (Attack pilot)

1969 Co A, 228th Avn Bn, 1st Cavalry Division, III Corp, Bear Cat, Republic of Vietnam (Chinook Cargo Pilot)

Maybe stupid and ignorant, but heavily schooled in the art of avoidance of civilian casualities.  Your resume sir?

43 JavaJoe, as I said, you're stupid. Literally stupid. Not a figure of speech.

Military operations carry the risk of collateral damage. I fully understand it. I was trained to kill the enemy while trying not to kill civilians, but not to be overly concerned about the fact either. I get it.

And if you were a smarter man, instead of the mentally deficient idiot you embarrassingly show yourself to be:

"your heart bleeds for the innocent (no proof of any) civilians slaughtered"

... you would understand I simply said, "I hope no innocent civilians were killed."

That's all. Nothing more or less. I didn't say any were killed nor did I say the operation wasn't completely justified even if they were civilian casualties.

A decent man, a moral man, would say, "I hope no civilians were killed either, but even more, I hope they got their target."

Instead you gloat and glee with blood lust from behind a computer. You're a puke.

"when someone comments that the innocents were carrying AK47s"

Speaking of proof, there's no proof of that either. And I don't deny the possibility. My not desiring innocent civilians to be killed does not equal not wanting enemies to be defeated... or killed.

44 Take a look at the UN report from Drudge.

Loves me some Socialists

45

Christoph:

I don't see why you have such a beef with people on here.  Everyone agrees that civi casualties should be avoided if possible, you're standing on principle in your complaints but you have no facts to back it up.  At best its a misunderstanding, and can't we all agree it is a good development that we got away clean from a Syria raid on a HVT?

Go America, hu-wah

46 "Christoph, people are just twigging on the fact that Syria's reporting -all- the injuries as civilians."

U.S. Special Forces probably dismounted so they could confirm their target and minimize civilian casualties. It's entirely probable there weren't any. Or that they were minimized.

My saying I hope there weren't any innocent killed doesn't mean I think the U.S. acted recklessly. By putting soldiers on the ground they increased their risk... which is further proof that my position of "hoping" innocent civilians weren't killed is a reasonable one. So reasonable, it probably made it into mission planning.

47 In these, the last 100 days of the Bush administration, we might expect a certain "ehhhh, fuck-it" quality to what might have required delicate diplomatic measures before.

In other words, he ain't got nothing to lose!

Iran - nervous much?

48 Chrissy,

Would you like to talk it out?

There, there.....it'll be OK little one.

Aww better now?

49

Jones,

Sadlly, the Obama DAmascus tour to apologize would probably happen if he wins. Freaking sickening.......America is maybe going to handed over to a unrepentant New Party America hating Socialist, witha capital S.

All those troops, all those decades of defending America...and now, the people are wanting Obama to lead us? It just doesn't make sense...................

 

50

What about that Times of India report on Bin Laden? All false psyops?

Maybe, maybe not.  You tell me why a guy who would kill you if you got between him and a camera for years just plum decided that he doesn't like the limelight a few years ago, curiously around the time that our military was pounding the shit out of his positions and sending every single "newly promoted" upper-middle manager he nominated to hell on a shudder before he could apply for health insurance.

Why the need to generate a series of laughably obvious fake videos featuring Obama bin Ventriloquist Dummy?  He was charging too much for cameos?

If so, who's running the show now if Bin Laden is dead?

What show?  Al Qaeda is screwed.  It's dead.  It's a crushed and humiliated force and soon to be an absolute joke even in the Middle East.  If it weren't being systematically annihilated in Iraq and Afghanistan, it would be regularly conducting eye-grabbing terrorist operations on low-hanging fruit targets around the world just to maintain its appearance of strength and swell recruitments.  But it hasn't because it can't.

And I don't really give a shit about Bin Laden anyway.  This isn't Law and Order; we're not looking to bring one man to justice.  We're looking to kill tens of thousands of terrorist shitstains, cripple logistical and financial support for terrorist organizations, topple terrorist-supporting governments, and implant in the psyches of young youths of indeterminate ethnic origin that a career in Islamic terrorism is all about getting killed -- quickly -- and accomplishing absolutely nothing in the process.

And we're succeeding on all these fronts.

51

 "Troops overwhelmingly are excited to get President Obama as their commander in chief."

See, this shit can't be real.  Nobody....not even the Obamabots are this stupid and out of touch. 

52 You know, of course, that the whole category of "civilian" is a throwback to the era when European monarchs fought wars with each other because they were bored of chess. War as large-scale dueling, except with the duelists safely out of the way.

The distinction between soldier and civilian was invented to give such wars a legitimacy and dignity they did not deserve.

Now, it is both moral and good policy not to kill people who are not engaged in assisting a war against us. But in a total war, when the whole resources of a state are brought to bear, "civilians" as such no longer exist.

We are not in a total war against Syria. This is just a reminder that the issues are not so cut and dry.

53 You right wingers can smear and censor and that's fine.  Funny I get smeared and censored even when I am praising US troops and commenting that this is great news.  I guess that simply gets in the way of your anti American or unpatriotic storyline. Imagine that: I praise the troops, I give the Bush defense department credit, and it still isn't enough.

But digest this, Vinnie and everyone else.  The majority of voters aren't buying it either.  So you can shut me up here.  That's cool. But in 9 more days, Barack Obama will be elected president.  You can't stop that.

You can oppose it or lament it.  But deep down, you know it's gonna happen.  You know that you folks are in the minority in this country.  You can cling to your beliefs.  That's fine and I even respect you in some ways for doing so.

But President Obama is coming.  And he will fight the War on Terror much better than Bush has.  He will defeat the Taliban - something that Bush has failed to do for 8 years and counting now.

54 "Your resume sir?"

I'm a human being. I can hope civilians weren't killed.

55 JavaJoe re: UN article: Love Bolton's response, "The fact is that most conservatives, most Republicans don't worship at the altar in New York, and I think that aggravates them more than anything else."

You got that right, John!

56 "See, this shit can't be real.  Nobody....not even the Obamabots are this stupid and out of touch."

It's nothing to do with being stupid and out of touch.

She's a liar. And evil.

57 Chrissy,

Thou buttons are very easy to push. Have you thrown the keyboard at the screen yet? Eyebrows knitting a sweater?

Hey Fish just bitch slapped you with his Copter-Fu that's some wicked shit right there, but I'm sure you're gonna ignore it and well...I don't know I guess Eyem two dum.

58 Although we can agree that Lizzy is a fucking liar and evil.

59 I wonder how much this little op cost?  The reason I'm asking, is I always thought it to be a good idea to "spread the wealth" into countries that actively promote jihadis flooding into Iraq.

K

60

'president obama is coming'

someone get that man a tissue!

61

You can cling to your beliefs.

We can also cling to our guns.  Just sayin'.

62 From the Yahoo! article:

"Iraqi travelers making their way home across the border reported hearing many explosions, said Farhan al-Mahalawi, mayor of Qaim."

Must have been all them exploding shovels and tractor parts fabbed outta C4...serves 'em right for buying cheap Iranian goods.

Should have been doing this a lot, lot sooner...

63 And by the way, Fish, it is stupid and ignorant to state all the civilians were carrying AK-47s.

I've said they could have been. Or not.

But you don't have any intelligence one way or the other. It's a stupid thing to say even if your resume rivals Chesty Puller's.

64 Mad Mullahs aren't happy. They were waiting for Obama to save their arses...LOL

Hope we hit something good.

65

Lizzie:

Obama does have at least an even money chance of winning - but that is not because of his policies or his attractiveness. It is because this CENTER RIGHT country has been spooked by the financial crisis and slowly worn down by 6 years of Bush/GOP demonization.

On the Taliban, Obama is NOT going to defeat them.  Obama wouldnt know which end of a gun to hold. THE US MILITARY'S HEROS will defeat the TAliban, SO LONG AS OBAMA STAYS OUT OF THE FUCKING WAY.

IF Obama interferes, with freaking peace talks iwth the TAliban, we will lose. McCain would never do that. So, the only chance of losing is electing your Messiah.

 

66 "... SO LONG AS OBAMA STAYS OUT OF THE FUCKING WAY."

Therein lies the problem.

67

Permit me to restate my comment with addendum.

The only innocent civilians killed in the raid were carrying AK-47's and not considered combatants according to liberals and the UN.  /S

68 A decent man, a moral man, would say, "I hope no civilians were killed either, but even more, I hope they got their target."

For a decent, moral man this would be implicit, something that does not need to be stated out loud.  However for a moral exhibitionist...

69

Christof:

I find your assumption against our troops being moral human beings who WOULD NOT KILL CIVILIANS completely unacceptable.

The assumption AGAINST good behavior by American citizens at arms, by YOU AND YOUR FRIEND, MURTHA, is the disease that could possibly kill the idea of America.

You should be ashamed of yourself, those troops make it possible for you to breath air and live.

To quote "A Few Good Men"

YOU WANT [OUR TROOPS] ON THAT WALL, DEFENDING YOU.  YOU MAY HATE [OUR TROOPS}, BUTYOU WANT THEM THERE, NEED THEM THERE.

IF people liek you take over the country, America will be in deep trouble until we can clear you out in 12.

70 Good lord, why is this annoying little putz Christoph spending his entire waking life igno-blogging about OUR country?  What's the matter, Chrissy, won't you countrymen hang out with you any more?

Go worry about Canada, for chrissakes, ya twit.

71

Christof, the only problem is that Obama thinks that the Taliban has "legitimate grievances"

That will lose the war on terror, that one phrase alone.

Murderous Islamic terrorists who set out to kill civilians by design HAVE NO LEGITIMATE GRIEVANCES.

72 "I find your assumption against our troops being moral human beings who WOULD NOT KILL CIVILIANS completely unacceptable.*"

geoff,

Read again. Start at comment 46.

73 "Go worry about Canada"

We're doing fine. You're about to associate a Marxist who is pro-infantacide and chums with anti-American plotters, intellectuals, and bombers.

74 It's always heartwarming to know we have offed a few more Al Qaeda.

75 Did you see where evil nut fucker from Iran has fallen ill? obama has probably sent him a get well package of balloons and flowers.

76 You know there had to be a wedding nearby.

77 I'm sorry, did I get you miffed, Lizzie?

Let me remind you that only the government can censor. Idjit.

I'll let your second moby comment stand as is, because, part of me believes that such idiocy needs to be let alone for the world to see.

78 geoff:

I support a strong, well-funded, and superbly armed military. On these threads, I've called for the United States to urgently rebuild it's nuclear arsenal. Etcetera. And etcetera.

I merely said I hope no civillians died. I did not say one word against the U.S. military. Can you not see the difference?

And if you look when I brought it up, you'll see there comments ahead of mine saying, "Fuck yeah!"

I decided to add the other side to the mix. If, as you say:

"Everyone agrees that civi casualties should be avoided if possible..."

... then what's wrong with me saying I hope they were avoided?

Riddle me that.

79

Christoph, do you go around in your everyday life starting stupid arguments with everyone you meet?

Or is it just here?

80 Me thinks Crissy is riding the cotton pony.

You should take something for that.

81 Chris,

So which is it? Do our troops have the benefit of the doubt that they are conscientious operators that do their best to minimize civilian casualties or are they unpredictable automatons that should be always held in presumptive doubt?

Your solitary statement of concern read like the latter.

82 "He will defeat the Taliban..." Lizzy, Lizzy, poor, stupid, delusional Lizzy.

What do you think Obama will do to defeat the Taliban?

Straight answer please. And keep the rainbows, unicorns and free weed out of it.

83 It's more likely that we landed troops in order to get some sort of intelligence rather than/or in addition to minimizing casualties.

84 Blame Canada!!  And pass the Midol . . . they just wish they were playas.  They're not.

85 "So which is it? Do our troops have the benefit of the doubt that they are conscientious operators that do their best to minimize civilian casualties..."

I give them the benefit of the doubt.

I'm also saying I hope there were no civilian casualties regardless of what was intended.

86 I call on both sides in this conflict to exercise restraint.

87 "Blame Canada!!  And pass the Midol . . . they just wish they were playas.  They're not."

So can we withdraw our forces from Afghanistan and our ships from the Gulf and just leave those lots to you?

88 Posted by: incognito at October 26, 2008 07:49 PM (Rpam5)

Yeah, did you see the quotes about them seeing Obama as African, not African American?

89

Adam and Rick:

Thanks for the backup.

Chris, i am calling you out.  You buy intot hte Murtha school of thought that the troops are guilty until proven innocent.

BULLSHIT.

The troops are innocent, and only guilty if they absolutely intentionally killed a defenseless civilian for no military reason.

Your stream of thought is the reason Obama will destroy US Military credibility worldwide.

90 So can we withdraw our forces from Afghanistan and our ships from the Gulf and just leave those lots to you?


Yes Chrissy, yes, take them out now. What are you waiting for?

91 Aren't you glad John Bolton is on our side. I love that guy.

Bolton for President any year.

92 Aren't you glad John Bolton's Mustache is on our side. I love that guy.

Bolton's Mustache  for President any year.


FTFY

93

Blame Canada!!  And pass the Midol . . . they just wish they were playas.  They're not.

Actually Canada had nuclear weapons up to 1984, so they were most definitely players up to that point. But it's been a slow decline since then, mostly due to the governement continuously starving them of maintenance funds.

94 Have fun, Tools. After January 20, no more dumb ass misconceived murder and mayhem by Cheney. And I'm not talking about it having to last 4 years - it's for at least 8, almost as likely 12, and quite possibly for the rest of your lives. You can't get thrills up your leg with Republican administrations reporting: Vini, vidi, we ated it unless you have Republican administrations, and right now that entire phylum is looking quite diplodocus.

95 So can we withdraw our forces from Afghanistan and our ships from the Gulf and just leave those lots to you?

Fortunately, you don't seem to have an opinion that counts in your own country, which appears to explain your obsessive interest in ours.

And, ya know what?  FUCK Syria.  We're still the only big dog in the fight and we definitely put a boot in their ass today.

96 Yeah, did you see the quotes about them seeing Obama as African, not African American?

Maybe they know something we don't know?  

97 "Chris, i am calling you out. You buy intot hte Murtha school of thought that the troops are guilty until proven innocent"

"BULLSHIT."

Geoff, you can "call me out" all you want, but you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You'd be hard pressed to find a bigger supporter of the U.S. military in Canada than yours truly.

You're reaching the wrong conclusion here. But I don't think you're being intellectually honest either.

When you read comment #46, is it not apparent that I believe the U.S. sent dismounted troops for 2 reasons, one of which increased their own risk of casualties, but decreased the risk of innocent civilian casualties?

Does this sound like slander against the United States armed forces?

You're a funny fellow, geoff. On the one hand, you say everyone is in agreement that civilian casualties should be avoided if possible... and on the other hand, if a person says they hope civilian casualties were avoided, you think they're anti-U.S. military.

It's a compliment, actually. The U.S. military generally does take great precautions to minimize civilian casualties, as they appear to have done in mission planning in this case. I'm saying some of the blog commenters here (paranoidpyro, Vinnie) are a bit gung ho.

98 Oh, great, look who just crawled out of the basement, dirty diapers and all.

99 Canada has relinquished it's sovereignty to the US for it's Nuclear retaliation and defense.

Yeah, the Yanks will protect their land from missiles, no need for us hosers to spend a dime.

Nope.

I have relatives in Toronto too, they don't care. Big Brother will take care of um.

100 Please, morons.  Can we stop crucifying Christoph? 

Let's crucify diderot's dick instead.

101 Yes Chrissy, yes, take them out [Canadian Forces, one of the few countries alongside your own taking the offense and fighting in Afghanistan, and assisting in other areas like naval patrols in the Gulf including commanding a task force largely made up of American ships] now. What are you waiting for?

Posted by: JavaJoe at October 26, 2008 08:16 PM (Am6n/)

As I said, JavaJoe, you are stupid.

102

Hey dog,

Do you want to hear the Muslim call to prayer every day 5 times a day?

Vote Obama.

Look at Europe. That's what happens a society goes soft and redistributionist.

You really want that?

Millions of Americans have died to give you the freedom you now want to give away to vote for the "cool" guy and be in the "in" crowd.

Sickening.

Read about Hitler's rise to power sometime....the "in" crowd was with him too, and the intellectuals, some working class folks and Jews stood against him.  It's sad to think that America is going to voluntarily surrender its liberty to folks like you.

103 Maybe they know something we don't know?


They put elephants and donkeys on the door. See that crap?

Wow this is what the UN does?

Maybe McCain can let Sarah's shoes loose in the UN with Bolton's Mustache and together than can fight crime in there as a super hero duo.

104

Chris, my family is from Milton, Ontario outside of Toronto so i can relate.

Perhaps i misunderstood you.  But I am intolerant, yes, intolerant of folks living in this great country would assume the troops are killing civilians.

Like Murtha, and like some would have taken your comments, like me.

105

Hoo-WAH CB.

We need to keep swinging that boot until Nov 4, and if Obama wins, until Jan 20.

Maybe Bush can win this now so that Obama will have no choice but to allow a US victory.

 

The media will have an incentive to say Iraq is a success if Obama wins....sickening as it is.

106 Chrissy,

Oh for a minute there I thought you had control of the Canadian forces in Afghanistan. Here you were making a proposition to remove them to punish someone's comment about Canada being irrelevant to the world as a whole.

My bad.

107 Actually, I hope McCain-Palin kick the UN out of NY and stop giving them billions of dollars.

108

The Obama World Apology Tour: coming Spring 2009.

It kicks off at the UN in New York- then it's on to Havana, Caracas, Managua and San Salvador before heading to Europe, the Middle East, and Asia; then multiple stops in Africa and India before wrapping things up in Hiroshima Japan- sometime in early August 2009.

109 Hooah to the guys on the ground.  As far as mil folks wanting Obama as CinC, I'm I have 26 years in and will give serious consideration to popping smoke in the event of a dem takeover of the white house and     I     Am Not Alone.

110

Jones, that's scary.

Jones, go and talk to people! your state is Key brother?!!

111

>Actually, I hope McCain-Palin kick the UN out of NY and stop giving them billions of dollars.

You are more likely to see Nancy Pelosi selling her ass on Pennsylvania Avenue at $10 a pop first.

112 "Like Murtha, and like some would have taken your comments, like me. "

geoff, will you do this:

Acknowledge saying, "I hope that no innocent civilians were killed," and -- in essence -- also saying, "America sent ground forces in order to minimize the risk to Syrian civilians," is categorically NOT the same as calling U.S. Marines murderers on national television without any evidence?

You see the difference.

113

Did someone already mention this? From U of Hawaii at Manoa, Photographs Collection. Reference to a photo of Obama, winner of a scholarship ostensibly available only to foreign nationals:

Barack Obama from Africa Scholarship winner; Phi Beta Kappa; portraits Neg# A62-00099

Saw reference on HillBuz.

114 Chris,

I believe that was your intention, but the single reflection regarding civilians left some of us in a vacuum. Perhaps it could have been a little bit more circumspective. Something along the lines of,  "I hope that the US forces involved were successful in their mission, returned safely, and that no civilians were harmed."

It probably would have negated this whole unnecessary flame thread.

115

MAJHAM

God Bless you sir.

Keep up the good work, we'll try to keep that leftist radical fool out of the White House.

God Bless.

116 Inconito,

McCain isn't going to Boltonize the UN. He'll throw Ridge at them.

We're screwed either way.

Although Sarah is the wild card. Maybe she can convince him to beat the crap out of it.

117 Okay, Christoph, I will say right now that I fucking love Canada and that I consider the Banff Springs Hotel about as close to a spiritual home as I will ever get (the others are in the US and have been fucking ruined).  It just irks the living crap out of me to see you on here, day and night, apparently without so much as drawing breath, when this shit has NOTHING to do with you.  You're like the kid nobody in the neighborhood will play with, even if you bring your own ball. 

It's not like we all are surfing around trying to find Canadian political websites to bother with our nonsense 24/7.

I'm just sayin . . .

118 Well, one can dream, can't they?

ahem: That photo is 1962 ... probably his father?

119 MAJHAM, God bless you and thank you for your service.  We are in your debt.  And, no, you are definitely not alone.

120

Adam, agreed.

Chris, I agree. The problem is the perceived assumption of wrongdoing by US Troops, which is absolutely unacceptable to me.

And anyone who is a patriotic American.

 

121 Dog crap cleanup needed on aisles 45 and 46 in the Justice Department Investigating Voter Fraud post.

122 on the other hand, having lived in AK and NATO,    I can say the Canucks make decent soldiers...someone has to pull KP and gate guard...supply and barbers and camp followers...lots of things to do. For Canadians, what with their socialist leaning gubmint and having disbanded the Queen Anne Airborne ...for being too aggressive, if you can believe. No joke.

123 "I believe that was your intention, but the single reflection regarding civilians left some of us in a vacuum."

Just like, "Fuck yeah!" and "more good news" could leave some people in a vacuum after reading a story which alleges civilians were killed.

I provided counterpart.

Do I trust the Syrians? No. AP? No. But does history and common sense allow for the possibility innocent civilians could have been killed or injured in a military raid? You know the answer.

I note that some of you filled in that vacuum the wrong way, and that isn't my problem. To assume the worse of someone who says something positive, something that geoff postulates* we're all in agreement with, is more a highlight into your and/or their own mental processes, not anything I actually said.


* The reaction I received leads me to legitimately question whether geoff's postulate is actually true. Sounds good, but evidence here is lacking.

124 "What do you think Obama will do to defeat the Taliban?"

Great question, Mare.  Thanks for asking instead of merely attacking my patriotism like some do.  Even when I am praising the troops too!  Amazing.  But as to your question, I think President Obama will defeat the Taliban by changing our overall approach to the War on Terror.

John McCain has stated that Iraq is his number 1 priority, regardless of how long it takes, even if that is 100 years.  Bush agrees.  The policy has been to make Iraq priority #1 and "muddle along" in Afghanistan by relying on NATO troops and commanders to supplement American forces.

Obama seeks to change this.  He would double or triple our troop presence in Afghanistan.  He will make sure US troops are pursuing US policies.  He will not treat Pakistan with kid gloves as this administration has.  He will hold them accountable.

At the same time, President Obama has learned the lessons of Iraq that Bush and McCain refuse to admit.  You cannot merely overwhelm by shock and awe and win a war.  That doesn't work anymore.  You need to roll up the shirtsleeves and work with local people.  Perhaps it's not always possible to win the hearts and minds, but we can win with our wallet.  President Obama supports outreach programs to address the wrongs that lead to extremism and terrorism.  He wants to negotiate with tribal leaders who otherwise would side with the Taliban.

He is not so opposed to diplomacy like McCain that he refuses to negotiate with enemies.  President Obama will defeat enemies but also make sure that we don't create enemies through flawed policies.

Hope this helps.  I'd encourage you to study the Obama plan more thoroughly on his website.  There's a reason people like Sam Nunn and Warren Christopher and Colin Powell are supporting him.  Give him a chance.  It's Americas last best hope I think.  And I've always believed in a place called Hope.  Yes, we can!!

125 Imagine that!
Christoph has managed to get into a pissing match with people on this blog.  I don't think I have ever seen anyone argue semantics more than you Christoph.  You take comments that are meant to be snarky, throw away one liners, and turn them into dissertations on the failings of western man.

Don't get me wrong, I do read alot of what you have to say, and process it accordingly.  But sometimes I find myself scrolling past them just like douche dog posts.

K

126 No wonder Chris kicks it  in here; there's nothing to crow about in the great white North if you're even remotely of the military mind set as Chris seems to want to be. I say give him a pass and let us flame the other arseholes instead.
concentrate on the O-nauts and let this crap go,k...

127 Oh, Lizzie, you are such a barking moonbat....what are you, like, 12? Have you sent "President Obama" a mix tape yet?

Bet you dot your i's with circles.

Douchette.

128 He is not so opposed to diplomacy like McCain that he refuses to negotiate with enemies.

What a load of crap!  America deals with her enemies in a way that puts them on notice that negotiation is simply not an option.  Because our ENEMIES (please look that word up, Lizzie, you fuckin' commie ass) view that as capitulation. 

Never gonna happen, not as long as I and other red-blooded American patriots draw breath and stock up on ammo.

129 Lizzie: I and others here tend to ignore posts that are based on false premises, like your assertion that we're talking about President Obama.

130 Mare: Beware! Do not drink the koolaid. We wouldn't want to lose you! Please, stop! Noooooo!

LOL.

131 Lizzie shows what is wrong with most moonbats.  A complete and utter disregard for history.

K

132 The only time anyone will call Obama president is when he leads his fan club to the insane asylum after McCain kicks his butt to the curb.

133 Obama seeks to change this.  He would double or triple our troop presence in Afghanistan.

Getting these troops from?

He will make sure US troops are pursuing US policies.

Those wascally twoops are out pursuing their own policies again....

You need to roll up the shirtsleeves and work with local people.  Perhaps it's not always possible to win the hearts and minds, but we can win with our wallet.

Yes, yes we know about "our" wallet. Spread the wealth.

He is not so opposed to diplomacy like McCain that he refuses to negotiate with enemies.

Without precondition too! No, sit down Mr Achmadinajad please...tea? Yes I'll elevate your tinhorn dictatorship to be on par with the US because we don't want you to be an enemy...

Hope this helps

Works for me. You're a good trench digger.

134 The funniest part of Lizzie's post was where she fantasizes about "President Obama" negotiating with tribal leaders and supporting "outreach programs." I am laughing out loud so literally that LOL does not suffice. Laughing at the thought of Sheik Barack Obama squatting on his haunches in  some musty tent that smells of a thousand unwashed goats, drinking herb tea while wearing a towel on his head and describing the "outreach" to the "tribal leaders."

Keep 'em coming, Lizzie. Keep 'em coming.

135 Lizzie, you do understand we are winning in Iraq right?


You did know that Obama wanted to defund and pull out of Iraq right?


You do know we need to have a presence in Iraq to fight in Afghanistan right? ( Have you ever seen pictures of the terrain in Afghanistan? Very mountainous, very tough fighting)

Now, I'm also going to assume you are not a total dumbass and you realize that if we had given up in Iraq, Al Qeada/Taliban and insurgents would have been imbolden and we would have lost footing in THE ENTIRE REGION.

And just for the sake of argument, how does Obama double or triple our troops while at the same time reduce military spending (which he wants to do), slow down or eliminate new weapons programs, and from which base will he operate out of if we had left Iraq completely?

136 even if the O does lose and we almost all hope this happens, we still have to live with the mouth-breathers like Diderots Dog Pecker and Lis(bian), so keep a lid on it and let it slide. This blog is open to the public, even those who are a waste of the hemoglobin they use everyday.
Of course, they are assclowns and dangling chad hemmorhoids, so there  is that.
for what its worth.

137 from which base will he operate out of if we had left Iraq completely?

Okinawa

138 Notice there have been no factual comebacks to my argument.

Makes sense since even McCain couldn't put a dent in Obama when Barack dominated the foreign policy debate, something that all the polls showed as well.

NM Hick: you are right. And I am wrong here.  I am so used to thinking of Barack as president that I realize I am jumping the gun. For that I apologize.  But all good things in time, right?

Incognito: well, you're on record. I give you that.  We'll settle it in about 9 days.  Feel free to eat crow, as would I were Barack to lose, but that's not happening and deep down, most conservatives know it.  They may hate it, but they know it.

139 Did you read Mare's post, Lizzie? That's why we have thinkers like Mare here, so the rest of us drunken assholes can do what we do best--heap invective on moonbat trolls like you.

140 from which base will he operate out of if we had left Iraq completely?

Chicago, of course.

141 O.T.: I can't believe they haven't found that Hudson boy. Soon, he'll be missing for 72 hours. If he was being held somewhere, it would mean more bozos involved so the police would have a better chance of finding him. Because they haven't, I think the kid is dead. Not sure why the step father wouldn't have killed him in the house.

Anyway, bring back torture. They could have solved this case already. If the boy is dying somewhere, why waste time. Just give me a rubber hose and I'll do it. This is idiotic.

142 Lizzie said:
He will not treat Pakistan with kid gloves as this administration has.  He will hold them accountable.

This incredibly ignorant statement just proves to me that you have no fucking clue as to what you are talking about.

K

143 Oh yeah, please come back on November 5th, Lizzie.

It took THREE responses from Gutterball on the Georgia/Russia conflict.

1) He chided both sides when it was clear Russia was the culprit.

2) He wanted to go to the UN without realizing RUSSIA HAS VETO POWER.

3. He gave the same response McCain gave the first time.

What polls showed McCain lost the foreign policy debate? The online polls you Obots like to freep? Give me a break. Each debate, gutterball gave the same song and dance. It was like listening to a broken record. He has ZERO credibility when it comes to foreign policy. Neither does Biden.

144 And furthermore, Thin Lizzie, if you're so cock-sure about an Obama win, what psychological need are you addressing by trolling here, practically begging to be showered with rotten vegetables? Do you enjoy having chamber pots dumped on your head? You and Diderot's Dog and the rest of your sorry ilk are nothing but a bunch of masochistic exhibitionists.

Barack Obama thinks he's Cock of the Walk. Well, let me tell you, Barack Obama is cock of NOTHING. And this will be on display internationally in nine days. Bet on it. I am.

145 Factual comebacks to a fantasy? WTF!!??

146 "Lizzie, you do understand we are winning in Iraq right? "

Yes, Mare, I do.  And I am grateful we are.  God bless our troops for winning a war in spite of a Moron -in- Chief who did everything he could to lose.  Even John McCain admits that!

"You did know that Obama wanted to defund and pull out of Iraq right? "

I will be attacked for this, but I think Obama actually deserves credit for the victory.  Only because of leaders like Obama constantly critiquing the mishandling of the war, were changes forced to be made.  No, it was not John McCain's cry for a surge.  It was the fact that the Pentagon realized the election of 2006 was in reaction to failing policies in Iraq.  And Barack and the Democrats made that possible.  Our commanders realized they were letting down our troops and letting down all Americans too. 

Did you think it was just a coincidence Donald Rumsfeld resigned 1 day after the elections of 2006???

"You do know we need to have a presence in Iraq to fight in Afghanistan right?"

This is not true.  You have forgotten about Turkey, dear.  It is the key and it is a NATO member ironically.  Bush has been afraid to stand up to Turkey and Pakistan.  Obama will not be.

 As to other points, Obama will increase troops in Afghanistan with the troops that are leaving Iraq.  Even Iraq welcomes our troops going home according to a timetable - something Barack proposed a long time ago.

147

gee lizzie,

 you've convinced me to vote for barack through the sheer intellectual weight of your argument.

thank you! (((((((((((hugs))))))))))))

148 Thomas Dewey:
Why, that sounds like a surefire answer to voter fraud too, a caning in the middle of the street on Election Day if you get your  ACORN- affiliated, leftist moonbat libtard ass caught monkeying with the vote.

No rubber hoses though, I prefer strands of metal harvested from old radial tires, as thay are eco-friendly. Recycling, dontcha know...

See, I care about the environment  and clean voting too. Gawd, I am a Choir Boy...

149 Milesdei- I enjoy the debate.  You could call me a troll.  Thats fine.  I dont like preaching to the choir nor being preached to by the choir either.  Why don't you fight with your arguments on liberal blogs?  What good is it to debate people who think exactly the same as you?  It's like talking to a mirror.  And yet again, this is why Barack is winning.  He is winnings independents and Republicans day by day because he is open to debate and a free discussion of ideas.  Sorry you hate me so.

150

But President Obama is coming.  And he will fight the War on Terror much better than Bush has.  He will defeat the Taliban - something that Bush has failed to do for 8 years and counting now.

If he does so it will be because scum-sucking POS Democrats (birm X 4) like you will not be undermining their country and their President for political gain.  The stench of Democrat hypocricy (birm X 2) will still be as bad, though.  God, you filthy "people" suck.

151 Lizzie, you've won another convert.  I can see now how right you are and I will definitely vote for the Plastic Jesus.  Poll me, baby!!!

P.S.  Milesdei, have I told you today that I love you?

152

Btw, I'm a scorpio. What sighn are y'all?

153 Lizzie. I don't hate you. I'd piss on you to put you out if you were on fire.

As to why I don't debate at Kos, like I'm really going to win the hearts and minds of those who have no hearts, and no minds?

I come here to hang, get ribald, troll bash, and most of all, LEARN from people who are peers and comrades-in-arms.

154 I CAN HAZ TINFOIL HAT?

155 Btw, I'm a scorpio. What sighn are y'all?

Smith & Wesson.  The world's first point & click interface.

Geebus, you are such a sly one . . .

156 CB, I need to hear it at least once a day. Especially if you're hot.

157

oh, and some community outreach programs for terrorists please.

arms are for hugging!

158 And a girl. You have to be a girl.

159 Liz(bian) is just plain full of shit, to be absolutely honest.  Turkey WANTS to be NATO and EU but is hamstrung from both goals. A member of NATO but with strict limits a la France, and denied EU  membership for a decade.

A weak sister if ever there were one, with a Muslim slant to boot.
You  really are that damn dumb arent you. It is not an act.
Amazing.

 Now go hug your  Big O vibrator and say good night.

160 Raid into Syria?

I've been waiting for this since '03.

161

Lizzie, you lost me when you claim Obama should get credit for the victory when he advocated pulling out by March 08, come what may.

ONLY EXCESSIVE KOOLAID CAN SUPPORT YOUR POSITION.

 

Obama ran on pullin gout of Iraq as a lost cause!!!!

Get a clue, Lizzie, you're way to deep in mind=meld obama.

162

>But President Obama is coming.  And he will fight the War on Terror much better than Bush has.  He will defeat the Taliban - something that Bush has failed to do for 8 years and counting now.

You are fuckin' DREAMING if you believe that.

jesus h christ jr on a crutch- that is the stupidest fucken thing a troll has ever posted here- fucking BRAVO, lady!

163 Milesdei- You just never know.  I was once a Republican.  Barack changed all that.  I listened.  I explored different and opposite opinions.  That's great that you learn from people who believe exactly the same as you.  There is merit in that.  But there is also merit in putting your beliefs to the test and to the fire - free and clear of any piss, I might add too.

Just look above.  I've already "won" 2 converts.  And you haven't even seen how gorgeous I am either!!

Well, I guess I will leave you conservatives in peace.

I may be wrong about Senator Al Franken.  It is possible he will lose.  That's only because his opponent has all but endorsed Barack Obama.

But I will not be wrong about Barack.  And I will eat crow if so.  But I'm quite sure I'll be eating caviar and champagne instead.

Change is coming, change we can believe in. Yes, we can.  Yes we can.  Bye!

164 And a girl. You have to be a girl.

Oh, yeah.  Blonde, blue, tiny and lethal.  ';-) 

165 Milesdei has Lizzie pegged .
 There's nothing wrong with being twelve Lizzie but this is a grownup thread , so run along to bed . Tomorrow is a school day .

166 Giants won too. But that was an ugly win. Sheesh

167 @149: ... because he is open to debate and a free discussion of ideas.

So long as those ideas and questions for debate were presented in triplicate 48 hours in advance. Even then, you'd better be careful because the One doesn't like some questions, so you're probably better off not asking about anything substantive like his Marxist buddies and racist preacher and voting record (or lack thereof) and .....................

168 Liz(bian)

Change for you means changing your depends briefs. You should probably get on that.

169 I think we've just been punked by Jim Treacher or something. That cant be for real.

170 Get this video out to people everywhere:

Here's an audio of Obama from 2001 discussing how best to redistribute the wealth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

Note the discussion isn't about whether or not it's right to redistribute wealth...but which manner would be the best way to do it!

171 Well since it looks like President Bush has decided to open up a can and leave no unfinished business on the table, what about a raid on ACORN. Just kidding Kos kiddies.

Makes me wonder if Iran is feeling comfortable right now?

Think Obama will come out with an apology to the people of Syria tomorrow? Obama's strategy team are sitting around a table as we speak thinking of a response. "I know! This is a desperate attempt by the Bush/McCain team to get peoples mind off the economy and how well people are feeling about Senator Obama".

172

  It was the fact that the Pentagon realized the election of 2006 was in reaction to failing policies in Iraq. 

Kind of like the war in Iraq, you can just pick your reason for it.  Some, I mean, like most, said it was the culture of corruption.  Now that the democrats have their own culture of corruption the failing policies in Iraq were the reason for the loss in 2006.

173 I am no fan of censorship but couldnt we put up a bullshit meter to track return commenters and be forewarned that they might nust be libtard walking dicks of the first order...just asking, but my question mark on this flaky laptop stopped working... Could Ace not drop the valu-rite vodka and stagger into his computer room, or bathroom as the case may be, and address that simple idea...à
Just asking.is all.

174 Change is coming, change we can believe in. Yes, we can. Yes we can. Bye!
Posted by: Lizzie at October 26, 2008 09:19 PM (Kbl0/)

You sound like a fucking cult, lizzie. There is no difference between chanting Yes, we can and Heil Hitler.

175 Could Ace not drop the valu-rite vodka and stagger into his computer room, or bathroom as the case may be, and address that simple idea...à
Just asking.is all.

He already did.

176 Crappy laptop.

177 Does anybody think Bush is gonna pull Bin Laden out of his hat in the next week?  I keep hearing from a friend with connections that this will be the October surprise.  Can't quite bring myself to believe it (actually I think the bastard's been decomposing for a while now), but wonder what you all think about that.

178 Thomas , my bad, I apologize to the Ace and his beverage of choice.
Has he ever tried a bottle of Banaka mouthwash...

179 A part of me feels like this should have been saved special for Ace, but with the speed of news cycles it probably won't last.

So Tools - I bring you a feast for the comments section & grist for the mill:

http://tinyurl.com/6asaqt

180 "Hey Baracky! Watch me pull Osama out of my hat!"
"Again? But that trick never works!"
"And for your sake you better hope it continues not to."

181 Sue - agreed, but the Bush demonization is so very strong.  I worked in the primaries for Cainer and even on the GOP side, it was strong. very strong.

182 johnjacobjingleheimersmith: I was referring to the IDs.

183 Because, of course, that would completely ruin the whole tea and talk thing, doncha know.

184 Just read through the whole thread and wow the morons are restless. Nice to talk about something other than the media.

185 Re: Diderot's Dog:

Jesse Jackson Junior.
You can call him "J"!
Or you can call him "Gay"!
Or you can call him "JJ"!
Or you can call him "Junior"!
Or you can call him "Jay Jack"!
Or you can call him "Jess Jay"!
Or you can call him "JJJ"!
Or you can call him "3J"!
But you doesn't have to call him "douchebag"!
Unless you want to.
And we do.

186 I provided counterpart.

Counterpart to people happy that we're chasing Al-Qeada and insurgents? How is a counterpart necessary here? Are you under the impression that this isn't a worthwhile endevor?

Again, either our troops have the benefit of the doubt in attacking an enemy or they don't. You can't have it both ways. The first posts exclaiming happiness about going after insidious elements is not in a vaccum to anyone that has read more than a few posts here. You've been here too long to excuse yourself by that.

187 The funniest thing about Jesse Jackson Jr. is that he assumes there will be a space to fill . . .  What a goofball!

188 More Barack Obama on redistribution of wealth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

189 Holy Shit! Holy Shit! Holy Shit! Holy Shit! We are FUCKED!

Obama Bombshell Redistribution of Wealth Audio Uncovered

190

Watching an episode of "House" last night, I liked how The Learned Doctor illustrated Wilson's out-of-control impulse to "rescue" damaged women by saying "he married a Canadian".

Pure gold. 

And I'm not just talkin yellow snow here....

 

191 1) Obama said he didn't believe sending additional troops into Iraq to execute a secure and hold strategy - i.e. The Surge -  would work.  He believed it would make the situation worse.

What information has convinced him an identical strategy is a recipe for success in Afganistan while maintaining his belief The Surge has not been successful?

2) At present, the US is battling Iranian/Syrian proxies and foreign terrorists in Iraq.  Beyond al Sadr (who we should bombed in his Mosque back in 2004...), all reports indicate there is little organized Iraqi resistance left.  Every single military and civilian expert agrees the current situation is Iraq is fragile and reversible.

Should US troops vacate Iraq before the government is capable of protecting itself from foreign agent and maintaining social order, how would the US prevent Iran from overrunning and assuming control of Iraq?  What strategic advantage in the global war on terror would the US achieve from a precipitous withdrawal from Iraq and its subsequent decent into chaos?

3) Pakistan is a nuclear armed nation with many supporters of al Qaeda's brand of Isalmofacism embedded in the highest corridors of power.  The US is already "unpopular" with a large percentage of the Pakistani people because of our relationship with India (sound familiar, kinda like the whole Israel thingy...).

What kid-gloves-off policy can Obama order that doesn't risk an overthrow of the already fragile Pakistani government?  And when such an overthrow occurs, how would Obama ensure Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is secure?

4) Lastly, besides empty campaign promises and stump speeches, which specific Obama actions and votes lead you to believe he would aggressively pursue the war on terror with the same fervor he will pursue the war on "the rich" here at home?

192 Obama is going to be tougher on terrorists and the war than McCain?
Why does every left wing peace group support Obama?
And Obama should get the credit for our success in Iraq when he wanted to pull out at the worst possible moment? He still cannot acknowledge that we won!
:Lizzie you came to the wrong place if you think you can blow smoke up everyone's asses here.

193 Holy Shit! Holy Shit! Holy Shit! Holy Shit! We are FUCKED!

Obama Bombshell Redistribution of Wealth Audio Uncovered

Holy crap.  This video has only been viewed 215 times.  Morons, this needs to go viral asap.

194

 >> President Obama supports outreach programs to address the wrongs that lead to extremism and terrorism<<

Missionaries?

195 Apparently Sullivan has posted what Powerline calls 'a semi pornographic video' about Sarah Palin.

196

Obama's Silly Putty policy machinations give his supporters every opportunity to craft an agenda.  Obama's like a Barbie Doll rollout for Christmas--there's Throttle the Pakis Obama...Safe Bicyclist Obama...Anti-Osama Obama...

There's no need to spread the wealth--just bring whatever loaves and fishes you have, and there'll be enough for the whole village!

197 193 CB,

YouTube's counters aren't 'live'. There's hours of lag in there, and there's a lot of accusations of shenanigans.

(It might be live to around 200, because you'll run into a lot of videos that are in the range 200-220 views.)

198 I CAN HAZ TINFOIL HAT?

Posted by: Lizzie at October 26, 2008 09:16 PM (ng56Z)


Yes, you can!

199 Holy crap.  This video has only been viewed 215 times.  Morons, this needs to go viral asap.

Posted by: CB at October 26, 2008 09:52 PM (9Wv2j)

We have a smoking gun and nobody is paying attention! Uhg!

200 Baron Von Ottomatic said:
3) Pakistan is a nuclear armed nation with many supporters of al Qaeda's brand of Isalmofacism embedded in the highest corridors of power.  The US is already "unpopular" with a large percentage of the Pakistani people because of our relationship with India (sound familiar, kinda like the whole Israel thingy...)

This is one of the things that pisses me off when ignorant cocksuckers bash Bush's "Cowboy Diplomacy".  Getting Pakistan to play ball was one of the greatest diplomatic successes in history.  And to hear the MSM talk about it, a 6 year old could have traded off a Pokemon card to achieve this.

K

201
"Obama seeks to change this.  He would double or triple our troop presence in Afghanistan."


So how do you resolve that against doddering idiot barney frank calling for a cut in military spending?

And what's the antiwar faction of the modern liberal party going to do while all of this troop expansion is going on?  Isn't that what they consider to be....gasp....IMPERIALISM?

Is Cindy Sheehan going to be squatting in front of BO's chicago mansion?



"He will make sure US troops are pursuing US policies."

Right, because as of now, the military is a rouge entity, totally uncontrolled by the US government...



"He will not treat Pakistan with kid gloves as this administration has.  He will hold them accountable."

Pakistan is an ALLY of ours, and a nuclear armed one at that.  You don't threaten your allies.



"Obama has learned the lessons of Iraq that Bush and McCain refuse to admit.  You cannot merely overwhelm by shock and awe and win a war.  That doesn't work anymore.  You need to roll up the shirtsleeves and work with local people.  Perhaps it's not always possible to win the hearts and minds, but we can win with our wallet."


You're describing the precepts of the surge.  So now O! supports the surge?  This guy is worse than a flip-flopper.




"He is not so opposed to diplomacy like McCain that he refuses to negotiate with enemies.  President Obama will defeat enemies but also make sure that we don't create enemies through flawed policies."


You do realize that the precedent to the Iraq war was a good solid decade of diplomacy (that didn't work), both on the UN and the US's behalf?

Then there's N Korea, which has been subject to diplomacy by (horrors!) the Bush administration, and the Clinton administration, with NO PERCEPTIBLE SOLUTION FOR US INTERESTS.

Obama plays with action figures at Holiday Inn and thinks it counts as experience.




"I'd encourage you to study the Obama plan more thoroughly on his website."


I encourage you to stop pushing the failed ideas of the 19th, 20th centuries as something new.

Study the history books more thoroughly on how these bankrupt ideas gave power to a few at the expense of 100 million lives.

202 What's never been explained regarding Pakistan or Pokeeston is how do we get to Afghanistan if Pokeeston has been "not handled with kid gloves"?.

We have a flight path through it that they grant us.

We have to fight an air supremacy battle to establish our lines of communication to Afghanistan?

No doubt we'll win but how many pilots will be lost and captured to accomplish this?

Odd thing is we already have the access.

Unless The One's strategy fucks that up.

203 Javems, you're misunderstanding.

Missionaries are the cause of the wrongs that lead to extremism and terrorism in Obamaland.

204 The Kos Kiddie Koolaid Kult is shitting its pants.

I saw some yob over there claiming that the US military is "on the verge of open rebellion".

205 We have a smoking gun and nobody is paying attention! Uhg!

Well, I just put it in comments at hillbuzz and texas darlin.  PowerPro put it on a thread at PL.  By tomorrow, there should be a pretty wide viewership.  It's up to all of us.

206 I just posted the link at Gretawire

207 While I think Lizzie is sincere and almost reasonable, she clearly believes that a socialist liar that is allied with a man that contemplated killing 25 million americans that he guessed would not go along with the reeducation camps he proposed is capable of speaking the truth. He said he supported the 2nd amendment. If I took that at face value I might believe him. However his entire career he has voted to take away that right at every opportunity. So should I believe his words or his deeds?
Obama is a LIAR and I do not believe a thing he says.

208 CB at October 26, 2008 10:05 PM (9Wv2j):

Damn right it's up to all of us. I just sent it to the biggest spammers I know.

209

Late, but perhaps useful.

Lizzie;

The gist of your post #124:

124 "What do you think Obama will do to defeat the Taliban?"

"He [Obama] would double or triple our troop presence in Afghanistan."

What, specifically, will this achieve? Later you mention negotiating with Tribal leaders. Read on.

"He will make sure US troops are pursuing US policies."

Are they not? Evidence? Links? The truth is that neither you nor Obama have any. You make an attempt to create an issue where there is none.

Obama’s vote of choice is "Present". How can such a vote make anything happen? It seems to have failed in Illinois.

"He will not treat Pakistan with kid gloves as this administration has."

He will invade Pakistan (he said so last year)? This is Obama’s naivete showing.

There are about 140million (maybe 160million) Pakistanis, and the government has several nuclear devices. Further, the opposition parties are primarily fundamentalist Muslim parties. There are divisions among the Pakistani populace, but nothing as deep as the Shia-Sunni and Kurd-Sunni Arab divisions in Iraq.

The current Bush policy makes much more sense than Obama's naive nonsense.

"He will hold them accountable."

How? By whining to the UN? Issuing condemnations? Voting"Present"? How about by cutting off aide?

"At the same time, President Obama has learned the lessons of Iraq that Bush and McCain refuse to admit."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Remember, Obama wanted to defund and pull out of Iraq.

He was completely wrong.

Does Obama learn from his mistakes? His years as a community organizer were a complete failure, He achieved nothing. Even the $100,000 grant to build a garden had problems; only $20,000 can be accounted for, the remaining $80,000 cannot.

Then, some years later, working with Ayres, Obama doled out $100MILLION, intended to help Chicago public schools, to who? It seems that most of the money went o Ayres’ friends, pet projects, and other tangentially relevant things. Final result: no detectable increase in public school student test scores in math, science, ….

Does Obama learn from his mistakes? No.

"You cannot merely overwhelm by shock and awe and win a war. That doesn't work anymore."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. And "There are no American Tanks in Baghdad".

"You need to roll up the shirtsleeves and work with local people. Perhaps it's not always possible to win the hearts and minds, but we can win with our wallet."

Remember, you mention negotiating with Tribal leaders.

"President Obama supports outreach programs to address the wrongs that lead to extremism and terrorism. He wants to negotiate with tribal leaders who otherwise would side with the Taliban."

These tribal leaders side with the winner, and it has been this way for a thousand years. Many tribes were allied with the Taliban, partly to oppose the Soviets, and partly to minimize the problems the Taliban created for those they thought insufficiently Islamic.

 When the US started actively assisting the Northern Alliance, and particularly when the US sent in troops, more than a few changed sides. But some have gone back, and others play both sides.

The "wallet"is one of the few things that takes the "taillight guarantee" with it.

The tribes are notably conservative, religiously conservative, and we, the US, are the wrong religion.

We can negotiate forever, but our negotiations will not last.

We can triple the number of troops, but the Taliban will hide.

We can fund projects and bleed to death.

The best plan seems to be the current one: hunt down the Taliban, strengthen the Afghan government, build some infrastructure, educate the people (girls too), declare victory and eventually hand the outhouse over to the Afghan government. Obama’s plan is not better, only more expensive.

"He is not so opposed to diplomacy like McCain that he refuses to negotiate with enemies. President Obama will defeat enemies but also make sure that we don't create enemies through flawed policies."

See previous

From your post #138:

"Notice there have been no factual comebacks to my argument."

There are many. This is one. You simply choose not to read them.

 

Then, from your post #146:

"I will be attacked for this, but I think Obama actually deserves credit for the victory."

Believe as you wish, but no, you are, in real life, wrong.. He, Reid, Pelosi and company wanted to defund and pull out of Iraq. He, and they, were clearly wrong, and deserve no credit.

"You have forgotten about Turkey,"

Who, other than possibly the Turks, wants Turkey in Northern Iraq? The Kurds, both in Iraq and TURKEY (clue: Kurdish lands in Turkey are very much larger than those in Iraq) will likely rise up. Iraq will have a major conniption about Turks stationed on Iraqi soil. Even Iran, with its large Kurdish minority will be unhappy.

The Turks seem quite uninterested in getting heavily involved in Afghanistan.

"Obama will not be" "[afraid to stand up to Turkey and Pakistan]"

Obama was known for NOT being a confrontational guy when he was a community organizer.

Obama was picked by the Chicago Machine for his "go along to get along" attitude, as evidenced by his preference for voting "present".

Obama is not a standup guy. He is a mistake no one needs.

"Even Iraq welcomes our troops going home according to a timetable - something Barack proposed a long time ago."

Read carefully what the Iraqis say. Yes, they want a timetable, but not Obama’s timetable. Obama got it wrong.

Obama seems to have no leadership skills at all, and may simply be parroting positions he is told.

Told by whom?

Remember, Obama spent $100million while working with Ayres (or was if FOR Ayres?), and all to zero effect.

Perhaps Obama is simply Ayres’ puppet. The naïve socialist/Marxist policies scream Ayres: 40 years later and still an undereducated Marxist.

There’s good evidence that Obama would repeat his mistakes again.

 

210 205 We have a smoking gun and nobody is paying attention! Uhg!

Well, I just put it in comments at hillbuzz and texas darlin.  PowerPro put it on a thread at PL.  By tomorrow, there should be a pretty wide viewership.  It's up to all of us.

I just got it to Charles at LGF and he has it up now.... I tried to get Allahpundit's attention at HotAir but that's a lost friggin cause....

211 Is there nobody here watching the store who can get a post up?

212 Just sent it to AP and Ed at HA.  Who knows, maybe they will have a look.  And who is posting all that long-ass shit up there?  I thought that was, um, frowned upon . . .  Personally, I never read a long-ass post.

213 "Milesdei- You just never know.  I was once a Republican."

I'm still a Democrat!  And I voted for O! in the primaries!




"Just look above.  I've already "won" 2 converts.  And you haven't even seen how gorgeous I am either!!"

I think I'll vote Obama.  Go tell one of your friends that she doesn't have to go through the hassle of voting, I'll vote for her.

214

Sorry about the long-assed post. It may be frowned upon, I don’t know (URLs over about 15 characters ARE frowned upon by the link feature, though), but it is readable, since I used the "return" key to get extra blank lines, unlike some of DD’s earlier stuff.

Originally, I thought that only a few of Lizzie’s points needed to be handled (and these are only a few), and I thought it would only be ¾ of a Word page.

It grew a bit.

But perhaps Lizzie will read it, as it contains no invective (only 2 HAHAHAs), and reconsider her "facts" and position.

215 And who is posting all that long-ass shit up there?  I thought that was, um, frowned upon . . .  Personally, I never read a long-ass post.

No moratorium on long posts that I know of.

Arbalest is generally worth reading.

216

ahem (comment#113)

I looked up photographs in question, and they are of Obamas father taken in june of 1962. Barry was born in 1961.

217 Did I say Pakistan?  I meant Syria.

218 Has everyone heard this Youtube of Obama in 2001 on chicago radio and redistribution , should go viralYouTube - Obama Bombshell Redistribution of Wealth Audio Uncovered

219 Did I say Pakistan?  I meant Syria.

It's PAH-key-stahn. You will learn to pronounce it correctly at "camp."

220 Oh, gosh, GIANT apology to Arbolest.  I just did read your post and it's totally right on!  Sorry, man, I thought I saw somewhere on here that Ace did not like the longies.  But, you make some excellent points and consider me spanked.  Mwah! for all the hard work you put into that.

221 Just so you guys know...the Obama campaign is TERRIFIED of any kind of National Security issue popping up before the election...a la the bin laden tape buried john kerry.

they are purposefully talking about HOW bad the economy is every fucking minute thru their campaign and their media propaganda wing....just to keep the american eyes off the ball.

its the full press strategy right now.

we need to flood the nets and the blogs, and if possible, the NEWS, with the message of ITS A FREEKIN DANGEROUS WORLD out there!! good Lord
Why is this not THEE most important issue???

...the economy ALWAYS goes up and down....but when I see the people complaining & whining the loudest, lining up to buy iPhones, and 200 dollar disposable halloween costumes...
and their candidate advertising in their VIDEO GAMES & textbooks, with his One Billion Dollar payday..recession isnt the first thing im seeing. sensationalisim is.
Its amazing to me how hypocrates claim, so easily, that terrorism is sensationalized...it DOESNT HAVE TO BE...
ITS. THAT. BAD.

The democrats are petrified to get off the economy issue and accidentally onto a National Security issue, because they know its that bad too.

222 ...and consider me spanked.

By whom? You see, this is why I detest the passive voice.

223 I don't care if they blow half of Syria up, that place is a den of evil.

224 This is the transcript of the Obama 2001 Redistribution of Wealth audio, courtesy Perdogg on the Sean Hannity board  (I haven't proofread it but it looks like it's an accurate portrayal):

TRANSCRIPT:
MODERATOR: Good morning and welcome to Odyssey on WBEZ Chicago 91.5 FM and we’re joined by Barack Obama who is Illinois State Senator from the 13th district and senior lecturer in the law school at the University of Chicago.
OBAMA: If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be okay.
But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted. One of the I think tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change and in some ways we still suffer from that.
MODERATOR: Let’s talk with Karen. Good morning, Karen, you’re on Chicago Public Radio.
KAREN: Hi. The gentleman made the point that the Warren court wasn’t terribly radical with economic changes. My question is, is it too late for that kind of reparative work economically and is that that the appropriate place for reparative economic work to take place – the court – or would it be legislation at this point?
OBAMA: Maybe I’m showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way.
You just look at very rare examples during the desegregation era the court was willing to for example order changes that cost money to a local school district. The court was very uncomfortable with it. It was very hard to manage, it was hard to figure out. You start getting into all sorts of separation of powers issues in terms of the court monitoring or engaging in a process that essentially is administrative and takes a lot of time.
The court’s just not very good at it and politically it’s very hard to legitimize opinions from the court in that regard. So I think that although you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally. Any three of us sitting here could come up with a rational for bringing about economic change through the courts.

225 Hey, it seems Syria is "condemning" the US attack as "serious aggression."  Might be time to take those fuckers to school. 

226 Man, the trolls are getting thick. In both ways.

And Christoph - your problem is that everyone was getting their marshmallows out for a roast when you pissed on the campfire for fear of someone burning themselves.

Next time, just brush the tinder back into the fire. No one likes piss on their campfires.

And Lizzie - I'm not sure whether you need more or less medication - but change is definitely needed.

227 The transcript leaves out the eleventy billion "ahhhs" and "ummmms."

228

Is there nobody here watching the store who can get a post up?

Yeah, it's like all the grown-ups have left.

229 You know, I am starting to think we need to take the gloves off. It is like a tug of war and the Kos kiddies don't care about civility or truth. They so convinced their cause is just and their end justifies their means.

The PUMA's get this. I was on one of their sites earlier and they said "If Sarah is a c*nt then Barrack is a n*gger".

Now I must say I feel like that is an escalation but is it? It is a response to the lack of civility on the left.

230 ....the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf.

What the government must do on my behalf, Senator Government, is, first, leave me the hell alone; second, bomb the enemy; and third, secure the homeland. From this wellspring flow peace and prosperity.

231 The quote I like best from Lizzie was, "Obama changed all that."

Definitely cult-like language.  And she was even involved in "outreach" on this blog.

232 What the government must do on my behalf, Senator Government, is, first, leave me the hell alone; second, bomb the enemy; and third, secure the homeland. From this wellspring flow peace and prosperity.

And we have a winner!

233 The PUMA's get this. I was on one of their sites earlier and they said "If Sarah is a c*nt then Barrack is a n*gger".

THAR SHE BLOWS!!!!!!!! OFF THE PORT BOW!!!! LOWER THE BOATS, MY HEARTIES!

234

nope. not okay, out of bounds and get the fuck out of here with that shit. doesn't matter if it's in quotes, matters even less that you substituted out the 'i'.

you have no business posting that here except in outright condemnation.

235 Milesdei

Sorry, it may seem tactically ungainly but no, we aren't free to vomit up such slurs. We are the Right. Try to act accordingly. Otherwise people might rightly assume that we are as unprincipled as the new left. It may seem like a burden but so be it.

236 Phi
I think you might be right I am just struggling with the lack of civility on one side. It also seems that no viable response is acceptable. Your outrage at the statement makes me ask were just as outraged at the Palin part?

237

215 Milesdei    Thanks for the vote. My usual expectation is that either no one reads my posts, or decides they like, then continue reading.

220 CB    No sweat. No apology needed.

238

>....the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf.

Sure it does, in the Preamble:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

239 Adamthemad,

What are you talking about?

240 Ace, Vinnie, whomever: Check out the youtube video at the top of LGF....Obama says  "the Warren court wasn't that radical because it "didn't break down the fundamental constraints of the Constitution as laid down by the Founding Fathers"? run with it

241

l.c.

the way you are being provacitive and underhanded while trying to create empathy for those who use racist slurs makes me ask if you are a troll.

242 I must say it did not seem as inflammatory when I typed it. But when I saw it on screen I cringed. So I formally withdraw my question.

I was really agreeing with the outrage the PUMA's felt about the c*nt comments.

243
California in play?
early voting results here-

http://tinyurl.com/5zmd4f

don't they have any acorn offices there to pad the box? geesh.

244 That redistribute the wealth audio is dynomite! What was the poll number on that subject before ... like 70% said HELL NO to redistributing the wealth?

245 243: It's the left's trademark. Let them have it. Its all they have.

246

assuming that you are sincere here, this is just a friendly reminder that the hateful, racist rethuglican meme needs exactly NO supporting evidence. in this case fighting fire with fire is entirely counterproductive and only draws attention away from the foulness of the left (as if there was any attention for it to begin with.)

 be more careful, please.

247 re: 245 - should be for 242. It moved.

248 I gotta say, I'm with Phil on this.  Nobody ever regretted staying classy. 

249 Yeah, openblog posted the video!!

250 Apologies to Vinnie for calling him openblog! LOL!

251 I will humbly apologize and I will be more careful.

252

Way up on the blog about 100 or so ago, Lizzie commented that she used to be a Republican but is now an Obama disciple.  I was raised in a house of Democrats and started off in the tradition of following my parents' political affiliation.  There are many reasons that I am now and will always be registered as Republican.  One is that the Democrats have stars in their eyes about living in a giant commune.  Yes, the thought of everyone working together for the common good is a lovely idea.  The problem is, as history has shown us OVER AND OVER AGAIN, that it DOES NOT WORK.  It goes against human nature.  It has never worked in any period of history, in any culture, any country, ever.

Simple logic.

253
#243-
humm
link says internal error?
hope the obamabots weren't bad little boys.
Either way they're getting spanked (nsfw) nov 4th.

254 It's okay, incognito, when I first posted it, I didn't put my name in the brackets like I'm supposed to.

255 Miles

I took your post as an acceptance of #229. If not, I've erred.

256 I for one, welcome our new idiot troll overlords.

257 Luv the ref to Duke Nukem!

258

Do any of you other vets think this begins to smell like Laos? I've thought so for some time. Iran not only transports them, it trains and pays them, but Syria just looks the other way while a highway runs through it.

Iran = N. Viet Nam

Syria = Laos

259 One thing that just occurred to me when I read the reaction to the strike on Mohammed Omar, which almost certainly caused civilian casualties, and it's a strike I approve of and would certainly have ordered...

... is that this is a conservative blog where many commenters are Christians. I'm not. They presumably believe what the Bible says. I don't.

And yet I express my hope there were no civilian casualties in the strike inside Syria and the American conservatives on this blog assume I'm shilling for Obama, a man who supports infanticide, and am a compatriot of Jack Murtha, a man who accuses Marines of murder without proof, then doesn't apologize, and who also calls his own constituents racist.

Their proof, these American conservatives on this blog? I said I hope no civilians were killed, something Jesus would approve of, and so would your pastors, priests, bishops, and rabbis.

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