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Confirmed: Fraudulent Donations to Obama Go Through Without a Hitch

Craig, aka John Galt aka Saddam Hussein, now reports that Obama's "rigorous screening" of credit card transactions is, what's the word, a lie.

It took a few days to confirm, but as of this morning all four charges have posted to my CC account (see attached). Remember, these were all separate donations made by:

John Galt

Saddam Hussein

Osama Bin Laden

Bill Ayers

And I have the screenshots to prove it. Also, I made another attempt this morning to make a $10 donation under the name Tony Rezko (See attached.) And it went thru again. So reports that this has been fixed are erroneous.

Further, last night on Sheppard Smith’s 3pm-ET show this issue was brought up briefly and they cited the Obama campaign falsely claiming that this sort of thing happens at the McCain site and that they catch these errors later in the processing. Well, it took three days to process my donations and they all skated through their rigorous screening.

Note how little time it took citizens to prove this. It would take the media even less time to confirm it.

It's an easy story -- and a huge one.

But they're just not interested.

But you know -- they're hard news men. They'll go wherever a good story might take them.

Right? Right?

Screenshot... ...of competed donations by Osama bin Ladin, Bill Ayers, John Galt, and Saddam Hussein.

Bear in mind that anyone can use a false name -- the AVS doesn't check names. As its name -- Address Verification System -- suggests, it checks addresses and zip codes.

All of these phony donations were made with fake addresses. Obama's super-awesome security didn't pick up on it because they deliberately turned it off.

Again, this is no high-tech, limited use system. Virtually everyone uses it.

Obama doesn't. Because he wants foreigners to illegally donate, and he wants his cultists to go ten or twenty or fifty thousand dollars over the federal donation limits.

And he refuses to reveal all his sub-$200 donors, because he knows goddamned well what looking through those records would reveal.


Posted by: Ace at 04:11 PM



Comments

1 Who would have standing to press charges or file suit?

Posted by: Milesdei at October 25, 2008 04:15 PM (ACHxk)

2 I wonder if  Mr. McBushitlerburton has made a contribution? 

Posted by: dfbaskwill at October 25, 2008 04:17 PM (z6fKT)

3 Online Merchant accounts cannot verify the card holders name when authorizing cards. They just can't. Not Obama's fault nor anyone else's.

The AVS thing is a bigger deal; but I suspect that AVS is disabled because Obama knows that a lot of his donations come from prepaid visa/mc cards (to mask the fact that he gets a ton of money from a few huge donators) and enabling strict AVS would cause those to decline.

Posted by: lorien1973 at October 25, 2008 04:17 PM (ddGv/)

4 >>> Who would have standing to press charges or file suit?

 No one.  Well, the couple whose credit card was used to make a fraudulent donation -- but Obama would quickly agree to pay them off plus a big  penalty in order to stop the suit.

Posted by: ace at October 25, 2008 04:19 PM (1WR4H)

5 standing requires particularized injury.  People can't just claim standing, generally, because of harm suffered as "taxpayers" or "citizens" or "voters."

The basic rule makes sense, because otherwise every government official would be in court ten hours a day due to thousands and thousands of citizen lawsuits protesting this policy or that.

Here's the downside -- this bastard can get away with murder.  

Posted by: ace at October 25, 2008 04:20 PM (1WR4H)

6 A request for an injunction would cause a stir.

Is there the potential for irreparable harm for which costs cannot compensate?  Yup.

Strong prima facie case?  Seems so.

Given the damage would be to the state/democracy, standing may not be too difficult for anyone, no?

Posted by: biff at October 25, 2008 04:21 PM (6X2az)

7 I'm not a lawyer, but if there are no consequences for receiving "fraudulent donations," why not just call them "donations"? Unless the blame lies not with the recipient, but with the fraudulent donors?

Posted by: Milesdei at October 25, 2008 04:24 PM (ACHxk)

8 BROAD DAYLIGHT they're stealing this one. in.

Posted by: Wilhelm Klink at October 25, 2008 04:25 PM (8D00g)

9 standing requires particularized injury.

Creativity is a wondrous thing.  Surely enough Valu-Rite fed to the morons and someone will get hurt.  (OK.  That's true anyway, I suppose).

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 25, 2008 04:26 PM (iooso)

10 Can someone donate $100 in the name of Icus McWhackus, using your credit card?

Anyways, one thing I disagee with McCain on is campaign finance.  Money is free speech, and it shouldn't be abridged.  I thought that was a conservative idea.  Let the goodtimes roll.

Stop whining and donate to McCain.

Posted by: icus at October 25, 2008 04:30 PM (FOt5Z)

11 I'm not a lawyer, but if there are no consequences for receiving "fraudulent donations," why not just call them "donations"? Unless the blame lies not with the recipient, but with the fraudulent donors?

The blame is with the recipient. There is no controlling legal authority though.

I guess the people are the authority.

We are eating donuts in a coffee shop but we'll get to it when something important comes around.

Posted by: JavaJoe at October 25, 2008 04:30 PM (Am6n/)

12 -Merchants class-action authenticate.net.  Bad controls and possible fraud.
-McCain camp sue Visa, MC, AMEX, etc.  (That would take balls, and Palin is busy, I understand)
-Writ of mandamus to FEC?
-Immolate yourself in front of Citibank like a Vietnamese Buddhist monk?

Brainstorm, people.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 25, 2008 04:31 PM (iooso)

13 Ace, I assume you've tried to gently prod folks at various organizations into taking a peek at this.

What's their response?

Posted by: cbharmon at October 25, 2008 04:31 PM (+7CmB)

14 Once again this is why unbiased press or at least one that reports the news is necessary. Fox news isn't exactly what it use to be. And the east coast elitist pundit class can only sit on their asses and write essays about how superior they are to us little people. Writing exposes after the fact don't do shit, so what do we do?

Posted by: Thomas E. Dewey '48 at October 25, 2008 04:31 PM (s+2rG)

15 Money is free speech, and it shouldn't be abridged.

Even foreign money? Hey, I'm all for the no rules for donation thing.

I'm sure Exxon will be glad to donate to a party that favors business. In amounts that'll make Obama's styrofoam carver blush.



 

Posted by: JavaJoe at October 25, 2008 04:33 PM (Am6n/)

16 "so what do we do?"

Vote and campaign for McCain and then watch the far left eat their own when they lose.  Can't change the press over night, this is the only option at the moment.

Posted by: David at October 25, 2008 04:34 PM (HAdov)

17

I stayed in a Holiday Inn last night, so my legal opinion is that if someone identifies a bogus donation the Uh-bama campaign will respond by going "Oh-noes!" and refunding that donation.

They won't look close at the donations themselves though, at least not until after the election.

Posted by: myiq2xu at October 25, 2008 04:34 PM (twWym)

18 The blame is with the recipient. There is no controlling legal authority though.

This is fucking retarded. Are you saying that it's against the law for a candidate to receive fraudulent donations, but that no mechanism exists to prosecute and punish a candidate who does?

Posted by: Milesdei at October 25, 2008 04:34 PM (ACHxk)

19 no mechanism exists to prosecute and punish a candidate who does?

hmmm

Posted by: Chinese Monks at October 25, 2008 04:35 PM (PD1tk)

20 Bush has asked the Justice Dept to look into the Ohio ACORN/Brunner voter fraud issue.

Maybe we should start emailing the White House about this. I heard on the Mark Levin Show, last night that The DoJ is apparently not wanting to look into any of this so close to the election.

Mark was growing hoarse from screaming that he felt like he was in a nightmare he couldn't wake out of. Like we were living in Stalinist Russia.

Kind of like how we all feel.


Posted by: Nice Deb at October 25, 2008 04:35 PM (Yccrl)

21

1-The MSM not reporting on this? They don’t care because facts get in the way of the God-King’s impending coronation.

2-Standing for potential actions. Mr. Gabe would know for sure but I would think that the FEC or DOJ would look at the origin of the obviously bogus donations – any offshore donations = illegal money. SO the hopey-changey part of me would hope that the feds would sack up and do their fucking jobs!!

Posted by: Big Bob at October 25, 2008 04:36 PM (BfTY1)

22 The problem here is the lack of outrage by the McCain staff. They need to shame the media into coverage. The "you lost that loving feeling" ad was great but they left it there. Palin attacked the greek columns but they need to mock the love affair the media has with Obama. When they whine that it is unfair to out them, then bring up this and one or two other prime issues.

Posted by: locus ceruleus at October 25, 2008 04:38 PM (e2mBS)

23 We can forget about the media doing their jobs. It ain't gonna happen unless Bush gets involved, and says something about it.

Posted by: Nice Deb at October 25, 2008 04:39 PM (Yccrl)

24 I'm obviously not a lawyer, but wouldn't this type of litigation be dismissed the same way the birth certificate actions are -- that voters "do not have the standing" to bring such complaints? 

Posted by: CB at October 25, 2008 04:40 PM (9Wv2j)

25 This is fucking retarded. Are you saying that it's against the law for a candidate to receive fraudulent donations, but that no mechanism exists to prosecute and punish a candidate who does?

Yes and no.

The mechanism is the free press to report on this and the people to expel those who committed the fraud.

Seems the press doesn't care too much about this, the evidence is there and has been for some time. You don't expect George Bush to send the AG during an election to investigate the Democratic Nominee do you? That doesn't stink of good ole soviet tactics and sets a precedent that no one wants to see.

This one is on the people and the press. Unless Obama loses then McCain can send a team to investigate or the Democrats can but really how far will that go?

If McCain does do anything it'll be spun as revenge, racism fill in the blank.

my  2¢


Posted by: JavaJoe at October 25, 2008 04:41 PM (Am6n/)

26 Ace I don't know if you will address this, but CNN and POLITICO, the shills of the democRAT party, are saying that McCain aides are annoyed with Palin going rogue...
Yet the "sources" are not named.
Something made up by the press? Or not?

Posted by: JennyC at October 25, 2008 04:42 PM (dXKmj)

27 Nice Deb, that's a great idea, contacting the White House about this.  It seems they've already inserted a little bit of a wedge by asking DoJ to look into it.  Maybe a large public outcry could help drive that wedge home.

Posted by: CB at October 25, 2008 04:42 PM (9Wv2j)

28 Online Merchant accounts cannot verify the card holders name when authorizing cards. They just can't. Not Obama's fault nor anyone else's.

The fault is in any campaign that does not take every precaution to meet the law. If the law is broken because a campaign failed to prove authenticity of donations, the campaign must be prosecuted.

For any campaign to accept unproven donation sources is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

For any means of accepting donations without proven legitimate source to be included in the campaign process should be prosecuted.

The law is to verify. If the source of money is not verified, anyone taking it is practicing criminal fraud. The entire campaign must be prosecuted or what good are regulations? It's not simply a matter of returning the funds when ACCEPTING UNVERIFIED FUNDS IS ILLEGAL.

When a kid shoplifts and gets caught, offering to pay for the merchandise is TOO LITTLE TOO LATE and the kid gets prosecuted and convicted for shoplifting and not only pays a fine but serves a sentence, usually public service hours cleaning parks.

When a candidate is caught stealing the POTUS election and office, that candidate whether directly involved or not must forfeit his campaign having broken the public trust leading a campaign of purposeful fraud.

RULE OF LAW
It matters.

Posted by: maverick muse at October 25, 2008 04:44 PM (F1b/5)

29

Listen, word is out on this all through the right wing blogosphere, meaning that a good number of folks attending a Palin rally would be aware of this as well.

If the Cuda were to sprinkle this in during her speech, citing what Mark Steyn and others have found, and publicly called the media in the tank on this, they'd have to report it, if not just to try to disprove it.

And once that embargo is broken, then the truth, (probably post-election, but still) will come out.

Posted by: Lee at October 25, 2008 04:46 PM (TxTIh)

30 What I meant was Bush asking DoJ to look into Ohio voter fraud . . .

Posted by: CB at October 25, 2008 04:47 PM (9Wv2j)

31 The only thing that'll do the damage that's required is for the NYTimes to publish, above the fold, the neglect on Obama's campaign to verify it's donations.

Yes I agree they aren't going to do it.

Who will?

The President will not touch this with a ten foot pole.

Wall Street Journal?

AceofSpadesHQ??

Underdog!

Posted by: JavaJoe at October 25, 2008 04:48 PM (Am6n/)

32 I'm sure Exxon will be glad to donate to a party that favors business. In amounts that'll make Obama's styrofoam carver blush.

Hey, Exxon can contribute to 527s all it wants.  Same effect. 

Posted by: icus at October 25, 2008 04:48 PM (FOt5Z)

33 Lee,

You're touching on something that may work. If McCain/Palin starts stumping this the press will be forced to look into it, at least make believe they are.

Although I'm sure the Obama reply will be "See that's what I'm talking about, I'm uh here with my uh sick next to dying uh grandmother and you're uh tryin gto uh see uh that the donations are all legal and the illegal uh ones will uh not be uh made to continue to uh um uh and that's what i said."

Posted by: JavaJoe at October 25, 2008 04:51 PM (Am6n/)

34 I'm obviously not a lawyer, but wouldn't this type of litigation be dismissed the same way the birth certificate actions are -- that voters "do not have the standing" to bring such complaints?

Suits aren't dismissed on the basis that a voter has no standing to file a complaint.

And as per the birth certificate suits, perhaps the media and public dismiss interest in them, but the suit filed by the former asst.DA Berg has not been dismissed by the court.

Posted by: maverick muse at October 25, 2008 04:51 PM (F1b/5)

35 Hey, Exxon can contribute to 527s all it wants.  Same effect.

Donations to 527's and to the Candidate are the same thing?

Yours is a simple world.

I wish I could live but a day in the bliss of ignorance that you do.


Posted by: JavaJoe at October 25, 2008 04:54 PM (Am6n/)

36 Actually, Maverick Muse, the Berg suit WAS dismissed by the Philadelphia Federal court late yesterday.  Apparently Berg is filing an appeal.  You can find this at America's Right, among other blog sites. 

Posted by: CB at October 25, 2008 04:54 PM (9Wv2j)

37

What happened to NoQuarter?

also, whatever obambi does this year in way of fraudulent fundraising, and it is not rectified, will be used in the future.

Posted by: kelley in virginia at October 25, 2008 05:01 PM (ioTid)

38 The MSM isn't going to waste their time looking into trivial matters like this.  There's a big story brewing about who paid for the hockey jerseys Willow and Piper Palin were wearing at the hockey game last noght.

Posted by: Reiver at October 25, 2008 05:01 PM (oliA4)

39 And as a complete aside, Piper is one cute child.  She said something at the rally today, but I couldn't understand it.  Does anyone know?

Posted by: kelley in virginia at October 25, 2008 05:04 PM (ioTid)

40 If I were Joe The Plumber, I'd consider filing suit against the three government offices that conducted searches into his driver license records and vehicle registration--Ohio Sec. State personal office, Dept. of CPS re: alimony payment records (worst legal thugs in our nation to be on the wrong end of an investigation--ask anyone from Eldorado, TX), and Joe's local metropolitan police force searching his personal history--AND THE RESULTS BEING MADE PUBLIC, DISTRIBUTED TO THE MSM BY GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. For the media to have free hand in publishing a private citizen's personal records when he is not a convicted criminal leaves "Joe" the option of suing news organizations for harassment.

Naturally, such legal measures would require pro bono work. But the precedence of success would make a world of difference in America. Too bad American citizens' civil rights don't protect us against evil domestic aggression from corrupt government officials, offices, and their media counterparts working in concert to nullify the Constitution via abuse from within and fraudulent campaigns being bought by global socialists.

Posted by: maverick muse at October 25, 2008 05:07 PM (F1b/5)

41 If John McCain/Feingold Campaign Finance Reform doesn't want to call Obama on this, and Palin wants to "go rogue", then she can accuse Obama of violating the law and demand that he prove that all his contributions come from legitimate, U.S. sources.

Posted by: lmg at October 25, 2008 05:10 PM (A/vgC)

42

I agree that Joe the Plumber should sue these agencies, it's probably the only way that emails and computer records will be disclosed. It would be too late for the election, but if Secy of State Brunner or any high up Obamatons pressed these agencies for the unlawful release of these records, that would give impetus for a special prosecutor to be appointed after the elections, in worst case scenario of the Obamanation's stealing the election.

As for the credit card scam, it isn't true that merchants' accounts can't verify names and addresses and zipcodes as som have posted. McCain's website does all those checks and bounces the bogus entries before any monies change hands. If Obama's team can't even process campaign contributions correctly, how can we rest easy that he can process properly trillions of dollars of payments in the federal budget?

Posted by: eaglewingz08 at October 25, 2008 05:19 PM (W88Qb)

43 Nice Deb @20:

Yeah, Levin's the only one out there in the public eye/ear who's calling all of this what it is. Hannity's been fairly good on the Ayers connection, but it's always the whole "judgment" shtick--Obama's got bad judgment.

It's not a "judgment" problem, folks, it's an ideology problem! Obama is joined at the hip to Bill Ayers because he AGREES with the fucker! Obama hates America and is one callous, ice-hearted son of a bitch (see born-alive infant protection act).
He hates Jews and white people. Which is really sick, since he is half white himself.  (Well, Hitler, I believe, was one-quarter Jewish.... look where that got the Jews!!! Please see "Understanding Obama: The Making of a Fuehrer" at www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html.
Obama is one sick puppy.

God bless Mark Levin for 1)seeing what the problem is, and 2)blowing the whistle.

Also, bunch of great stuff over at AmericanThinker.com.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 25, 2008 05:40 PM (kZ9L/)

44

Don't know about you but I'm glad that the rest of the globe can affect our elections.

So what if these donors are prone to dragging our sons through the streets of Somalia. So what if they celebrated on 9-11. So what if they harbor ill will and desire a weakened and humiliated America. So what.

//

Damn I get so mad thinking of our finest who laid down their lives. For this? I don't think so.

Posted by: Mainstreet at October 25, 2008 05:41 PM (8nB5X)

45 If Sen. Obama gave up these fraudulent donations, his campaign would go broke.

So Sen. Obama destroyed the evidence of fraudulent donations.

EVERY SINGLE ATTACK AD Barack Obama buys between now and election day is paid for with dirty money.

EVERY SINGLE ONE.

Because if he gave them back, he'd be bankrupt.  He couldn't buy ANY ads.  That means EVERY SINGLE ONE is paid for with dirty money.

This is important.  Repeat it.  Tell your friends.

Posted by: Daryl Herbert at October 25, 2008 06:06 PM (YvLui)

46 Allah has a post up saying that Obama's site accepts Gift card donations. McCain's doesn't.

That's the donation scandal this year. I've been saying this for days; thinking it for weeks. Prepaid credit cards are untraceable; allowing 1 person to donate 5 million dollars to a campaign, in theory. Under made up names and addresses. Given the $200 limit for reporting donations, you don't even have to be clever about it.



Posted by: lorien1973 at October 25, 2008 06:07 PM (ddGv/)

47 Shouldn't the third-party processors/credit card clearinghouses be able to stop a lot of this?  If Visa, MasterCard, Amex and Discover continue to process payments from illegal donors through to the accounts of the Obama campaign now that the AVS deactivation is a matter of public knowledge, I would think that would make complicit in and liable for the fraud, at least civiilly if not criminally.

Posted by: Dave J at October 25, 2008 06:11 PM (qsGH+)

48 47 Shouldn't the third-party processors/credit card clearinghouses be able to stop a lot of this?  If Visa, MasterCard, Amex and Discover continue to process payments from illegal donors through to the accounts of the Obama campaign now that the AVS deactivation is a matter of public knowledge, I would think that would make complicit in and liable for the fraud, at least civiilly if not criminally.
Dave J, how reasonable.Therefore how unlikely in this Obama worshipping era.

Posted by: Mainstreet at October 25, 2008 06:42 PM (8nB5X)

49 1: john Galt needs to contact his credit card company and get all those charges reversed. Also cancel the card

2: I'm in favor of unlimited donations. I'm not in favor of unlimited anonymous donations. We voters have the right to know who's buying our politicians. This fraud defeats that right.

Posted by: Greg Q at October 25, 2008 07:40 PM (87k2j)

50

You're late to the game. Others have attempted the same thing only to be returned their money weeks later. Obama's system IS rigorous. Perhaps not immediate enough for you and your kin, but it is rigorous. People have been doing investigations on this since the primaries. Look it up.

I'm curious when idiots like yourself are going to quit fishing in the dried up water hole. Do you really think that Clinton, with her political ambitions, would have kept a real Obama scandal away from public scrutiny? The woman was tenacious. There's nothing there. Quit being so delusional and wake up to reality.

Posted by: Conserve at October 25, 2008 08:23 PM (lVlbp)

51 Others have attempted the same thing only to be returned their money weeks later after bad press comes out about it.

Posted by: kal at October 25, 2008 08:43 PM (ln4xz)

52 I pick turds out of public toilets and smear my face with them.

Posted by: Palooka at October 25, 2008 09:03 PM (0f29b)

53

Conserve -You're late to the game. Others have attempted the same thing only to be returned their money weeks later. Obama's system IS rigorous. Perhaps not immediate enough for you and your kin, but it is rigorous. People have been doing investigations on this since the primaries. Look it up.

I'm curious when idiots like yourself are going to quit fishing in the dried up water hole. Do you really think that Clinton, with her political ambitions, would have kept a real Obama scandal away from public scrutiny? The woman was tenacious. There's nothing there. Quit being so delusional and wake up to reality.

Obama's sytem  being rigorous made me laugh out loud. Who is delusional here? Do you also believe in the tooth fairy and Bigfoot?

Posted by: Mainstreet at October 25, 2008 09:35 PM (XWJh5)

54 How about a Qui Tam action on behalf of the US? Alll you need is a whistleblower to start the case, and there have been several here.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at October 25, 2008 09:50 PM (Tz2XN)

55 52 You are aware that anyone who participated in this is guilty of credit card fraud, right?
You don't expose crooks by being a crook.
It doesn't work that way.
Stay classy.
So playing by the rules then exposing crooks by exhibiting so in a verifiable way is wrong? We operate honestly in our daily life and still must be subjected to Obama's crappy mischaracterizations. Obviously many on his side doesn't and won't. have problems withs such things as truth, reality and a strong defense.   Having trouble with this lame formula means we lack class? I'm thinking there are a lot of honorable Americans who fall into this catagory.

Posted by: Mainstreet at October 25, 2008 09:53 PM (XWJh5)

56 I know I'll catch flak for this but here goes anyway...

I was talking to my husband who's a conservative and I told him that the only way to raise media awareness to this kind of problem is for people to have some kind of huge event that CAN'T be ignored -- like a peaceful march in Washington, D.C. for example. (That way, it will draw media coverage and the media will be pushed not to overlook it. People will start asking questions, "Is it true?"P

He informed me that conservatives aren't exactly known for that type of thing.

Too bad. It may cost them the election.

Posted by: PUMAgrrl at October 25, 2008 11:04 PM (fhMY+)

57 I haven't read all of the comments through the various postings, but isn't the purpose of the AVS to prevent fraudulent charges?  I may be grossly naive here but what stops people from just making card numbers up wholesale?  Also, why couldn't you contest these charges as fraudulent on your statement, forcing a chargeback from the Obama campaign?

Posted by: Dr. Strange at October 25, 2008 11:52 PM (hGjke)

58 blah blah blah

Posted by: Free speech cut and paste monkey at October 26, 2008 10:09 AM (aFSTR)

59 OCD much?

Posted by: toby928 at October 26, 2008 10:31 AM (PD1tk)

60
PUMAgrrl, the March for Life on Roe v. Wade Day regularly outdraws the NARAL march. Which gets the ink?

Similarly, Joe Biden and Sarah Palin each hold rallies in a given town. Sarah outdraws Joe severalfold. Who does the press cover?

Face it: the MSM is politicized to the core. To the f****** core. A story has to be of 9/11 magnitude for them not to bury it. Demonstrations are pointless, except as exercises to build morale on our side, because they certainly won't be seen or heard of by people outside the ranks.

We'll have to build our own network of word-of-mouth transmission of information. That will be hard for us, because, the caricature of us not withstanding, conservatives are for the most part go-along, get-along folks: we respect the privacy and integrity of the individual human mind, and we are loathe to shove our opinions on people. But we're all going to have to develop ways to tell the other side of the story. Clearly, we need some of your PUMA brass.

PUMA and conservative: I think this could be the start of a beautiful friendship!

Posted by: Brown Line at October 26, 2008 11:33 AM (OMiLl)

61
"Obama's system IS rigorous."

conserve, riddle me this: Why would a supposedly rigorous system deliberately turn off credit-card verification at the point of sale? I've done web-based credit-card work for a large corporation, and I can tell you from personal experience that that is insane. Accepting sales and then attempting to catch fraudulent transactions after the fact is extremely inefficient; returning the money even more so.

The only reasons why someone would do this is that they're either engaged in fraud on a massive scale, or they are idiots. Without being able to check the Obama campaign's books (which I dearly would love to do), it's impossible to say which is the actual explanation; given that these guys come from the Chicago school of creative political fundraising, my guess is the former.

But go ahead, believe whatever you like. Retreat into your pastel universe of unicorns and rainbows, where The One will lead you to the Big Rock Candy Mountain. Me, I prefer to deal with reality: and the reality is that Obama is the creature of the most corrupt political organization in the US, and he, like them, is a fucking crook.


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