1 I will have to agree with our allies the PUMAs that we republicans who whine, should stop being such a sad pack of Eeyores and go out there and fight for McCain, Palin, and our country!

Screw all the media a-holes and Liberals.
PUMAs are making an effort and are confident, shouldn't we be as well? Get out there and say a big F-you to the MSM, pollsters, and Obama.

2 Okay, how do we fight?  The Obamaniacs we know are eyes glazed over zombies in hot leftie love, and CA is not in play.

I donated to Let Freedom Ring.

Ideas?  Marching orders?

3 ACE,

I don't know if you saw this article in American Thinker of our allies being the ones that will help guarantee a win for McCain:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/signs_pointing_to_a_mccain_vic.html

4 I live in Ohio and I'm telling you the RCP average giving Obama a 6 point lead is wrong. Obama won't win Ohio and you can take that to the bank. Don't let the MSM and botched polls tell you otherwise. I work for the largest university in the state and the lack of Obama support compared to Kerry in 2004 is obvious to anyone with more than two brain cells.

5 Donations: good.  I like freedom ring.  Where's aces favorite "insurgent" post?

Are you volunteering anywhere?  the next two weeks I'll be out and about doing what I can.  Volunteering for VFF and looking to the McCain campaign which I hope has something slightly better for me to do than just make phone calls.

I can write and speak.  What can the rest do?  Write to your papers for the editorials about the bad government expansion plan.  My paper is McClatchy owned serving a large Democrat urban area.  But, they will print contrarian views.  It needs to be good.   Let me consider the message and I'll come back to you.

Money will go so far.  McCain is being beat in Missouri with ads three to 1 by Obama.  More representation here please because obama only has the cities and can't be ceded the suburbs.

6 I myself cannot wait until election day.

SGT Mac Elliot from Predator: Long Tall Sally, she built sweet, she got everything, that Uncle John need. Aw baby, I'm gonna have me some fun, I'm gonna have me some fun, I'm gonna have me some fun.

K

7 Nothing will revive conservatism any quicker than a Democratic White House and Congress.

If we lose the White we will simply get it back in 4 years.

Conservatism is based on universal principles not a philosophy based on desired outcomes like liberalism. Because of this conservatism will never die.

8 JennyC, here's a link that works, copied from incognito's post on an earlier thread:

American Thinker has a great article about "Signs Pointing To A McCain Victory".  A must read for all morons, especially eeyores.

9 This is all part of the Obama strategy.  They must love RCP.  Flawed polls get put into the mix, Republicans are down, some jump ship thinking that it will distance them from the loss and then -- lo and behold -- the polls tighten to show a realistic snapshot of the race.

The only poll that gets reported is the last one.  Zogby can zig and Rasmussen can reel and the polls can be all over the place, but in 2012, we will judge a pollster by his last poll in 2008.  They can manipulate any one before that.

Look at how many polls have 10+% undecided.  Those are McCain voters, bank on it.

10 I'd agree with you on the polls being over represented.  One of the things that I know is that there are a lot of people who simply don't want to answer because they are tired of how long this election has been.  anything that is an online poll I discount immediately because it has too many pushers distorting it. 

My message to Mr. McCain would be to get out and actually follow Reagans' actions: speak to the base in a big way and then turn it to the American people as a whole.  In the last few days, he needs to rally in a big way.

11 Hey, I just noticed...
It looks like NRO has a conservative writing for them.  When did that happen?

K

12 TomV, we will not necessarily get it back in 4 years.  Even with the Carter disaster, Reagan did not have an easy time of it and Reagan was a well-known entity.  Besides, entitlements and judges are forever.

13 Much better, kat. We have to have POSITIVE posts non-stop for 11 days.

14 McCain needs to carpet bomb TV with ads.  However much miney he has left, he needs to lay it all out there.

15

Mark Steyn's article was excellent.  And all of you sadsacks need to get over to American Thinker and read "Signs Pointing to a McCain Victory".   It's also excellent. 

We're going to win and don't any of you think otherwise! 

 

16

Legit question...I just saw some stats on Fox regarding pre-voting and the "inspired youth" we keep hearing about.  In the states they showed, the young vote didn't appear to be any more engaged than usual.  Early voting is very busy overall (I early voted in Charlotte, NC area and the worker told me they had been "very busy" every day) but you can't tell until after the 4th how turnout will be overall. 

So, my question...how does Obama and the press spin it if the youth vote shows no marked upswing or if McCain actually wins the younger demographic and voter turnout in general is pretty typical?  Rightwing voter supression?

17 Assholes at CNN fail to check facts:

CNN.com Hypes 'Three-Generation Republican' for Obama...Who Worked Democratic Campaigns

18 I can't get a date.

Well, not with a woman. You take what you can get.

19 They've got Colin Powell, Christopher Buckley, and Kathleen Parker.

We've got the PUMAs.

Game set match.

20 You know who this helps? Mitt Romney

21 Nice try, Moby (aka True Conservative).  Ooooh!  A CBS poll.  Get lost.

22 I love Mark's line  in the article - "A Declaration of Dependence"

That's what we are in for if O-may he be ever anal probed in hell-bama wins.

23 Axlerod's getting... nervous.

24 Kestrel♠

A lot of "conservatives" from NRO jumping ship. The better for our party that these jerks go out.

25

After weeks of devastating economic news, Obama now leads by 12 percentage points - 52 percent to 40 percent - in the latest Rocky Mountain News/CBS4 News poll.

Uh huh.  Sure.  thanks for the information.

26 Gallup is saying they are getting a 80% hang up rate on polling, heh....

27 No one wants to get bothered by pollsters. I would probably hang up too.

28 Don't believe any of these goddamn polls. The voter ID spreads are between 10 and 15 points on most of them. This is unmitigated horsecrap. McCain's internals have him ahead in both Penn. & Ohio. He will not lose Va., and I'm starting to believe he will carry Colo. as well.

The true poll is spread is about +-1 right now. Add in a Bradley Effect and subtract for voter fraud and you're looking at a +3 McCain victory. He may very well carry Penn., and that Murtha poll should make the Obamunists very worried. People aren't afraid to say their voting against Murtha unlike Barry. What percentage of people in that "safe" working-class Democrat district are going to cross over and vote for McCain, too. Answer: A lot.

Am hearing from people that Republican turnout is going to be massive this year. Very fired up conservative base. Don't forget, fired up liberal base = maybe 15% of the electorate; fired up conservative base = 25% of the electorate. If both sides are equally fired up, the Obamunists lose.

There will be a book, or at least a magazine article, written about how the pollsters epically failed this year. Serious malpractice for their clients--the in-the-tank pukes of the MSM.

29

I think the Democratic numbers include the presumptive votes of fetuses who’ve been aborted by Democratic parents since 1973.  That's justification enough during the Great Logic Unraveling of 2008. 

If the Democrats had allowed those babies to live, they could have avoided the Bush presidency. 

 

30 BTW
PALIN appearance streaming live now from Des Moines
@ Gateway Pundit

31

As positive as I try to remain in the face of the propaganda campaign, I still recommend preparing yourself as needed for the Obama regime.  What troubles me that in 10-15 years or so, we may have to fly into Obama Airport, watch football at Obama Stadium, visit the Obama Library (please God not at my alma mater U of I), travel on the Obama Expressway, hear about Obamaonomics, have politicians described as Obamaesque….it’ll take years off my life (as will Obamacare).  Anyone up for seizing New Zealand? 

32 If we lose the White we will simply get it back in 4 years.

They're breaking every law they can to get into power. Once they are in control, they will not give it up. This is how countries go down.

33

Really, "TrueConservative" if you're going to try to influence us, try a better name than that. Something like, NotLying, or ISwearI'mNotADemocrat, or how about, NeverHadWetDreamsInvolvingPelosi.

You know, something a bit more subtle.

34 Have not seen Murtha poll...what's that all about?

35

Another question...If Obama loses, is he finished?  I think there is a solid argument that Palin benefits from a loss, as is releases her from McCain for her own bid in 2012.  How can Obama survive as a force if he can't win this year?

 

 

36 Dang.  Those folks in Iowa are pumped!!!  Good to see the excitement. 

37

Besides maybe local media and right wing blogs, you're not going to see a poll about John Murtha post "my constiuents are racist" getting any hype. 

Doesn't fit the narrative.

38 Oil is down to $65/barrel from over $140/barrel a few months ago. It's going to hit people (positively) at the gas pumps very soon. October surprise? As long as they avert their eyes from their 401(k) statements ...

39

If Obama loses, he is finished as a Presidential candidate. 

If he wins, he will decapitate the next generation of Republican challengers--they'll throw EVERYTHING they have at Jindal, Palin, Pawlenty, etc.  In 2012, we would have to grow a candidate from scratch, or assemble him/her from spare parts. 

40 The only reason Obama wouldn't survive is that Democrats throw losers under the bus.  In reality, he would be a shoe-in form 2012, not just for the primary but for the general.  With 4 years in the Senate and slow-leaking of the more damaging parts of his past and the opportunity to distance himself from his communist allies, Obama would be a force in 2012.

41 I PROTEST!  This is a definite effort to suppress the Democrat vote.  We Republigoons are going to vote for sure.  Who wants Obammmmma.  But the Democrats are going to think they don't need to vote because the polls say that Obammmmmma will win no matter what.  So, Dems, stay home.

42 [Fuck this lying little cocksucker. We're going to win and he's going to cry] Trollbuster Agent 5

43 Palin quoting Tito Munoz: "I was born in Colombia, but I was made in the USA!"

44 42 Barack Obama now leads John McCain by a dominating 60% to 40% in the latest 7-Eleven coffee poll.

Clearly.  I hear that 7-Eleven coffee cups are perfect for making Molotov cocktails to throw at McCain/Palin signs.

45 That's because conservatives buy their Joe at Dunkin Donuts!

46 Krispy Kreme

47 Barack Obama now leads John McCain by a dominating 60% to 40% in the latest 7-Eleven coffee poll.

They have no grounds for their decision.

48 Not trying to sound like I wish Obama harm, but his mother died of cancer at 52 and his father self-destructed at an early age, so if Obama doesn't win this time, his "mental lifeline" will be thrown off balance.  So I think if he loses, he'll not be psychologically able to run in 2012.  He may not be in a position to run in 2012 anyway given his cockiness and inexperience.

49 I still recommend preparing yourself as needed for the Obama regime.

I am preparing for nothing. It is more likely that we have a McCain landslide than an Obama regime, IMHO. But I've only been studying presidential politics for 20 years, so what do I know?

50 Oh why fight it it!

It's a foregone conclusion, Obama presidency and a Dem supermajority!

This is what we get with "Maverick" and the moose hunting moron!

Why did we push Tancredo away????!!!!

-cs™

51 Enter away message"We're at war with the most dangerous enemy that has ever faced mankind in his long climb from the swamp to the stars.... it has been said if we lose that war and in so doing lose this way of freedom of ours, history will record with the greatest astonishment that those with the most to lose did the least to prevent its happening.  Now let's set the record straight, there is no argument over the choice between peace and war.  But there's only one guaranteed way you can have peace, and you can have it in the next second: surrender.... we'll preserve, for our children, this the last best hope of men on earth, or we'll sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness."

- Ronald Reagan, 1964

52 CHOICE:

Surrender your life to socialist politicians who take your estate and liberty away; or, hire officials to promote jobs, economic and professional opportunity, and security from assault.

Do not allow Obama any fraud, to steal the election and buy his way into office.

Allow Obama to take office and kiss the Constitution farewell.

Watch Big Brother Obama criminalize capitalism and free enterprise.

53 McCain wins: democracy and capitalism are safe for four years. Also, ceaseless O-bot weeping and psychosis

Obama wins: Four years of saying I told you so when he throws his followers under the bus. Also, ceaseless O-bot weeping and psychosis when he throws them under the bus.

Either way, it's a win/win.

But I like the first scenario better.

54 Palin was awesome in Des Moines!  I think she's saying what she feels now--to hell with her handlers.  She is good, really good on basic issues.

55

A McCain pitch I’ve used on my friends: 

“Joe Biden promises that Barack Obama would be tested within 6 months of his Presidency; Biden even said that Obama’s response would subject him to heavy criticism.  How do you think that would affect the economy, your 401k, or your investments?  Should we invite conflict given the state of our economy?” 

56 Not trying to sound like I wish Obama harm, but his mother died of cancer at 52 and his father self-destructed at an early age, so if Obama doesn't win this time, his "mental lifeline" will be thrown off balance.

Not to mention his addictive personality.  He gave up pretty quickly on his attempt to give up smoking.  I predict many reports of medical issues.  They may even leak out his panic attacks.

57 I probably have made a mistake in hanging up on the pollsters.   They have called about 3 times.  A friend at work has also hung up on them.  Both of us will vote for McCain.   If it is more likely for conservatives to hang up on pollsters then there will be a large distortion in the results.
Should I be talking to the pollsters?  My fear is they are working on behest of the MSM and I don't want to help them in any  manner.  I would rather see the MSM reputation totally destroyed.   Mostly, after years of annoying marketing calls, its instinctive to hang up when I say hello and here that click when the dialing computer recognizes a human voice.

58

"They may even leak out his panic attacks."

I've never heard of that, do you have a source?

59 I should have said they may even leak out the panic attacks he is very likely to have.  I am not claiming he has had panic attacks in the past. 

Actually, I think Obama is likely to do something else historic if he becomes president, but I won't heat the water any further.

60 OT:

Just read this article on a UK site. I never knew they had any journalists there who really understand what's at stake in this election.

61 #60 - Wow, I just read that article, that lady is so very articulate. Please forward that to every Obama supporter you know.

62

The jerks form NRO can jump ship if they want, their votes are likely NY, NJ, or CT, ie. they don't mean squat.

Everyone else needs to frickin VOTE.

63 TomV at post #7 and anyone else who thinks we'll just win it all back in four years. YOU ARE WRONG!

Well, actually we might, but every possible card will be stacked against us.

All our complaints of difficulty getting the message out will be nothing after the "fairness doctrine" is imposed and TV and Radio and Cable channels face prosecution for "lies" uttered in campaign commercials. We saw what Obama and some pet prosecutors tried in Missouri, wait'll they get every red state governor, attorney general and local sheriff and prosecuting attorney on the job. They will certainly attempt a nationwide ban on "false" campaign advertising.

Expect restrictions on internet speech.

Expect that what happened to Joe the Plumber to be just foreplay for the anal wire-brush rape the next guy gets.

Expect instant register and vote programs nationwide. Probably by national law if they can get it. In every single red state if the Supreme Court won't lay down for them.

Expect a "fairness" movement to enfranchise illegal aliens and felons.

These fuckers WILL not have any compunctions or mercy. They have convinced themselves that Bush has ruled as a tyrant and they will attempt the same and more. If given their way, we will never give our country back.

These people are utterly corrupt and drunk on the stink of raw power. Do not let them have any more. We saw what happened in 2006 when they ran a slate of moderate and mainstream candidates for congress, which then governed far to the left of any congress in history.

No complacency, no compromise, these are not people who respect compromise. To them it is just a stalling tactic to lock their position in place until they can acquire more power.

64 The "mainstream" news media are just the communications arm of the Dem Party.

The polling organizations are just the "statistics" arm of the "mainstream" media.
(And you know how statistics work, I hope! Garbage in ---> garbage out.)

So why would we give one iota of credence to them?

For God's sake, let's not be like the dumb German suckers that actually believed all that shit Joseph Goebbels fed them.

65
If we lose the White House we will simply get it back in 4 years.

Are you a moby or were you just born yesterday?

Have you never heard of a little junta of appointed-for-life members called the Supreme Court???

66 So, those of you who claim we can't take the White House back in 2012, are you conceding that Obamunism will work? That you can raise taxes to get out of a recession? That weakness will be an effective foreign policy? That Americans really want to live in a French-style social Democracy? That draconian environmental regulations and nightmarish employment laws won't lead to double digit unemployment? Do Americans really want San Francisco's social values enforced as nationally?

I guess you don't really believe in that small government, fiscally conservative, national security mumbo-jumbo after all. You really believe The One will be rewarded for his radical policies?

67 American Thinker has a great article about "Signs Pointing To A McCain Victory."

I voted today -- Texas is one of 32 states with early voting -- and I voted for McCain. In fact, I voted straight ticket Republican. And I did it after reading Steyn's article.

But folks, the anecdotal observations of a partisan blogger do not constitute "signs" of an impending McCain victory. I'm alarmed by our obsession with a lost cause when we ought to be focused on saving Senate Republicans. If you live in one of the many states where an incumbent GOP senator is a close fight for re-election, make a contribution, phone bank, block walk. But do something that can put us in a position to resist an Obama presidency and a Democrat-controlled Congress. And hoping that McCain can somehow magically pull this out ain't it.

68 Do Americans really want San Francisco's social values enforced as nationally?

Did Americans want amnesty for 12-30 million illegal aliens? NO. And yet the government was within a few votes of shoving it up our collective asses. After this election, they will have the votes they need to do anything they want, and there will not be a damned thing the American people can do about it. We're going to have to fight like hell to keep McCain from fucking us over, never mind Obama and his kleptocratic friends.

69

Hnag the polls and just go and vote.

Now those velvet knickers the bail-outs are going to wear - will they be reinforced at the knees or have pads?  Pads would be better because velvet wears fast.

70 Expect that what happened to Joe the Plumber to be just foreplay for the anal wire-brush rape the next guy gets.

If for no other reason, this is why you must vote for McCain.  If Obama wins, then smearing works.  And they will smear again.

71 I like what Rush Limbaugh pointed out: didn't these RINOs and moderate Republicans want McCain, wasn't he the last, best hope of the party? Now they're abandoning him?

72 Virginia will be red this year. The Obamassiah came to Roanoke this past week and had 8300ish to his rally at the Roanoke Civic Center. Palin is coming to Salem, (an adjacent city to Roanoke) on Monday. Her rally was scheduled at the 8000 seat Salem Civic Center. Today the venue was changed to the 20,000 seat Salem Stadium. http://tinyurl.com/palinsalem

73 66 So, those of you who claim we can't take the White House back in 2012, are you conceding that Obamunism will work? Socky

No, it won't work. It will be hell. But you can't outvote unlimited fraud. You can't criticize a candidate if he has made that criticism illegal.

Tyranny pretty much always works. At least for a time.

74 Whenever Obama speaks my nipples become erect and I rub them compulsively until they're chafed.

75 Can't be any worse than the last 8 years.

I wouldn't take that bet.

76

Awesome credentials, there, "Conserve"

 

77

So, those of you who claim we can't take the White House back in 2012, are you conceding that Obamunism will work?

Wrong question.  What matters is whether people think that Obamunism worked (or alternatively) whether they place the blame for it's failure on something or someone other than Obama.  For example, we now know the New Deal didn't really work - it prolonged the Depression.  But FDR was such a great salesman he was still able to create a broad coalition of loyal Democrats that supported the party for decades despite the devastating economic conditons. In contrast, Carter's popularity died with the much less devastating but still bad economy of the late 70s-early 80s. Carter couldn't communicate the same degree of confidence, nor inspire as much trust as FDR. That's a big reason the American people lost faith in him.  (i.e., it wasn't just the objective fact that the economy screwed up.)

Obama has the potential to create that same type of voting of coalition.  Especially when the Dems jam immigration reform through in the next 2 years.  You can bet there's no way in hell those 12 to 20 million new Americans are going to vote Republican after the tone of the immigration debate.  They will be loyal Obama Democrats for a long long time. 

Republicans IMO really fucked up how they handled immigration reform.  The way they presented their argument played into the MSM stereotype that anti-immigration reform supporters are just hateful racist xenophobes.  For example, whenever I heard someone on TV discuss the issue they sounded very angry and hostile.  In addition, alot of spokespeople relied on hyperbole and anecdotal evidence. So as a consequence, my impression as a casual observer (I still self identified as a Dem at the time so I wasn't that tuned in to the subject) was that none of the anti-immigration leaders (Tancredo most notably) had a rational, sound, emprical evidence driven argument against immigration reform.  Instead I assumed, just like a typical liberal Democrat (lol), that Tancredo and his ilk were using fear tactics in an attempt to appeal to voters' latent racist tendencies.  Yep, I really bought into those stereotypes. I had the mindset of a typical liberal Dem Obamabot.  lol.

Given the MSM's liberal bent and the degree to which political correctness has permeated our culture, the only way conservative Republicans can win on issues like immigration reform is through  rational, sound, empircal evidence driven argument.  Anger and hostility play well to the already converted, but it turns off the rest (especially with the MSM pushing the idea that the only reason anyone would object to immigration reform is racism.) For example, I was really impressed when during one of the debates McCain said in reference to illegal immigrants something to the effect of  "we need to remember, these are God's children too." That probably nauseated alot of you! And you're probably rolling your eyes at the idea that an innocuous comment like that could make such an impression.  But I'm telling you, that little touch of humanity and compassion, even if it's not associated with any specific policy change or action, matters to alot of Dems and Independents. The key to winning on that type of issue IMO  is combining perceived kindness/compassion with solid rational  argument.   

78 So, those of you who claim we can't take the White House back in 2012, are you conceding that Obamunism will work?

Let's put it this way: if the press was doing its job, Obama wouldn't have a chance in this election. But because they're doing his job, he might win.

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