Backwards B? Not So Much

Yes, I mentioned this myself. I now realize it's idiotic.

For one thing, the image could be flipped.

For another thing, she could have taken a picture of herself in a mirror.

For a third -- if she were on her back, her head held by the attacker's left arm below her chin, her head between his legs as he scratched -- she'd be upside down as oriented to him.

You know what that would end up looking like?

todd (2).JPG

Not backwards at all, that's how it would look.

This speculation is silly.

Others have made this point, but Devil's Advocate at Copious Dissent took the simple step of turning the picture upside down to graphically demonstrate how ridiculous it is to keep talking about the backwards B.

There are so many sensible explanations for this that to cry "hoax" over this one point is silly.


Video Report: Linked at Newsbusters.

Posted by: Ace at 06:20 PM



Comments

1 Agreed And her left cheek looks like she's getting a mouse on it. Just as if she had been punched.

Posted by: iamnotachef at October 23, 2008 06:24 PM (nwJit)

2 Seems a little unusual that the "blackness" of the eye is so settled in and that there is little if any swelling. It's usually a few days until it gets to that point.

Normally they are more swollen and redish initially.

See for reference:

http://tinyurl.com/5gxevb

http://tinyurl.com/5msj8r




Posted by: Sisyphus at October 23, 2008 06:28 PM (XwVPg)

3 Point may have been made earlier, but if she was attacked at an ATM, there should be video/photos.

My guess is hoax. And I called the Duke rape case early and correctly.

Posted by: icus at October 23, 2008 06:29 PM (FOt5Z)

4 If the security camera caught all of this look for the Kos kids here to suddenly pivot and claim the attacker was a McCain supporter just trying to make the teleprompter jesus look bad.

Posted by: Toad at October 23, 2008 06:29 PM (NuWBd)

5 mighty nice straight looking B for a mugger to carve on a face. Also a mighty dull knife to not cut the skin. if a mugger was that pissed off then he surely would have broken skin in his rage.

Posted by: should be doing something else at October 23, 2008 06:31 PM (i1+rx)

6 Diderot's Dog to claim either the mugger or victim is a plant in 5,4,3...

Posted by: POTL at October 23, 2008 06:32 PM (mD4t/)

7 Plus we're talking an Obama supporter here. He may not know how to make the letter "B".

Posted by: SRS at October 23, 2008 06:32 PM (JC+x3)

8 LOL, ace.

Pay attention icus, set down the koolaid. The police are looking at video right now.

Posted by: incognito at October 23, 2008 06:32 PM (Rpam5)

9 I don't know if it is/was a hoax, but one thing comes to mind; Occam's Razor

Posted by: Paul at October 23, 2008 06:33 PM (cy/Va)

10 Yeah, you should be doing something else. I guess kicking and punching didn't show enough rage for you?

Posted by: incognito at October 23, 2008 06:33 PM (Rpam5)

11 Oh please ace, you do plenty of your own amateur ratiocination. Are you the only one allowed? As you said, there will be a police report before long.

Seems like a pretty delicate piece of thuggery. Doesn't even look like the skin was broken.

Posted by: Sisyphus at October 23, 2008 06:33 PM (XwVPg)

12 Hope she paid all her back taxes.
This whole thing makes my hoax radar start beeping.

Posted by: The MSM at October 23, 2008 06:33 PM (QMGr1)

13 The 'B' is for 'BUSH'!!!!!!!!!1111!11!!!!!!!eleventy!!!!

And it's backwards, cause Bush is so dumb, see?!


Posted by: Sherlock Moonbat at October 23, 2008 06:35 PM (MMC8r)

14 @6 Also a mighty dull knife to not cut the skin.

See the other thread about ripping/scratching with a knife tip. Also not thinking a mugger would spend a lot of time with knife sharpening.

Posted by: POTL at October 23, 2008 06:35 PM (mD4t/)

15 Ace, I'll take Door #3 for $50.00.

The coward allegedly grabbed the young lass by the neck and knocked her down.

My wife now carries...

Posted by: Michelle's American White Racist at October 23, 2008 06:35 PM (NLtVk)

16

Thinking about the Morton Downey fiasco...


Posted by: Senator Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller at October 23, 2008 06:36 PM (vFeQi)

17 Well. my first thought was he did her upside down. It's so obvious...

But I can't get excited about this yet. Need input!

Hate to parrot the MSM but who is she, where's she from; is this even a setup for heartache by the bad guys - what if this whole thing is a plant to deflect the growing hate-crimes against the McCain-Palin party supporters, by creating - then debunking - a hate crime, and turning it against us for a giant media cum-guzzling squirt-fest against the vicious republican party?

On the other hand, it sure sounds true, given the left's track record.

Time, though it's running thin, will tell.

Posted by: rick at October 23, 2008 06:36 PM (eSYBv)

18 Maybe the "B" is for Biden. Backwards would make perfect sense if that's the case.

Posted by: Reiver at October 23, 2008 06:38 PM (oliA4)

19 Ah, the anecdote. Where would you be without the anecdote?

That's a good anecdote proving the general rules that liberals are maniacally violent and that dumpy women who wear black blouses have black eyes.

Posted by: joe the plumber at October 23, 2008 06:39 PM (WAbNV)

20 What if this whole thing is a plant to deflect the growing hate-crimes
against the McCain-Palin party supporters, by creating - then debunking
- a hate crime, and turning it against us for a giant media
cum-guzzling squirt-fest against the vicious republican party?

Well, then I'd have to give the Obama campaign credit for coming up with the best hoax since ... um ... um ... weapons of mass destruction.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 06:39 PM (DMHwf)

21 i heard if you say barrack hussein obama 3 times back wards into a mirrorgod will strike you dead.....or have somone peel off your mccain bumper sticker.

Posted by: e.koenig at October 23, 2008 06:39 PM (2J+Vs)

22 Someone listen to the Savage guest, lifetime Democrat, former AG who claims to have Obama's paternal grandmother on tape saying that she witness Obama's birth in Kenya.

No wonder Obama's running to his WHITE grandmother to cover his ass now.

Posted by: maverick muse at October 23, 2008 06:41 PM (F1b/5)

23 What if this whole thing is a plant to deflect the growing hate-crimes
against the McCain-Palin party supporters, by creating - then debunking
- a hate crime, and turning it against us for a giant media
cum-guzzling squirt-fest against the vicious republican party?

Incidentally, what's a giant media cum-guzzling squirt-fest worth if it's not vicious? Otherwise, it's nothing more than a tap dance in an airport restroom, and who could possibly care about that?

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 06:41 PM (DMHwf)

24 Over at the Gateway Pundit blog, they are saying that the attacker was going on about McCain as he was attacking her and she talked to the police last night after it happened and they saw her cuts. Just repeating what is said there, not sure where they are getting their info. from.

Posted by: IC at October 23, 2008 06:42 PM (jZNCU)

25 Did Willie Horton get out of the joint?

Posted by: chris at October 23, 2008 06:42 PM (A+bw9)

26 For what it's worth, that scratch looks like it came from car keys, not a knife.

Anyhow, this is all idle speculation. Whatever happened, hopefully the cops will sort it out.

It looks like something terrible happened, but I don't see it as being very politically relevant (unlike ACORN, Obama's fraudulent donations, the MSM's savaging of citizens who dare ask Obama hard questions, etcetera).

Posted by: sandy burger at October 23, 2008 06:43 PM (VC56G)

27 Also a mighty dull knife to not cut the skin.



Probably.



But the sharpest knife in your kitchen can't carve a line in your skin. Try it. It just won't work. You'll only scratch yourself.



Dull knives can cut lines in you accidentally, because when that happens, you're not doing the same thing you'd be doing if you were trying to carve in yourself.



Seriously. Try it. You can't do it.



if a mugger was that pissed off then he surely would have broken skin in his rage.



When you find you can't carve a line in yourself with any knife, get pissed and push harder. It still won't work.



Probably.

Posted by: Encouragement at October 23, 2008 06:45 PM (TzElk)

28 Someone listen to the Savage guest, lifetime Democrat, former AG who
claims to have Obama's paternal grandmother on tape saying that she
witness Obama's birth in Kenya.

I have to say, even as an evil Obama supporter, that this would be way cool if they nailed him. Who doesn't love a mystery? Did the "lifetime Democrat, former AG" also interview Palin's witch huntin' guest preacher, 'cause I thought that tape was as cool as they get.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 06:45 PM (DMHwf)

29 From KDKA:
According to the police report, the officer confirmed that he observed the wound on the right side of [her] face.

Posted by: Steven at October 23, 2008 06:46 PM (CkZRL)

30 McCain has Joe the Plumber - Obama has Joe the Crackhead
Pretty much sums up this campaign.

Posted by: Joe at October 23, 2008 06:47 PM (t2Fem)

31 You don't have to be a criminologist or doctor to know that street thugs are not politically motivated. They want cash to get that crack NOW.

They do not want to stick around to (rather delicately) scratch a "B" for Barack to make a point and incidentally increase their sentence for "maiming" if caught.

If it was carved into her with a box cutter and the prospect of permanent scarring, sure, I'd believe it. A superficial laceration? Nahhhh.

Robbers punch or slam or push, but then grab the money and run.

Again, that is not criminology. That is common sense from living in a city for my whole superannuated life.

On the other hand, this screams "attention seeking not-very-attractive female with issues" to me. Scary black man, sure, we know they are out there, but the 6'4" is a bit over-the-top, isn't it?

God forbid she picks a someone out of a photo array of 6'4" inch black males and he has no alibi.

Posted by: icus at October 23, 2008 06:48 PM (FOt5Z)

32 That's a good anecdote proving the general rules that liberals
are maniacally violent

I submit the entire organized labor movement, Alex.

And the Weathermen.

And...

Posted by: Sherlock Moonbat at October 23, 2008 06:48 PM (MMC8r)

33 Seeing the flipped picture, I'm willing to give the attack additional creedence. But at this point I would still put money on it being a hoax (the carving, not the robbery) just based on my overall gut feelings.
And what is it with kids today compulsively sharing every fact of their lives?She's got a blog page, bio, and a twitter page which was public just until a few minutes ago. Have they never heard of stalkers or msm reporters?

Posted by: Mtenloch at October 23, 2008 06:48 PM (Js8cd)

34 I'd note that so many of the skeptical Dr. Kos's running around saying it's a hoax I'm guessing comes from projection.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 23, 2008 06:49 PM (eQwUw)

35 What the fuck? Krauthammer was on Brit Hume defending Barack Obama as "not socialist". He even said Obama's tax rates were way lower than Eisenhower's.

Time to wheel Krauthammer off the stage permanently, I'm sorry.

Posted by: Jim62sch at October 23, 2008 06:49 PM (ubHgw)

36 B...as in Black?

Also, she pretends to have a black eye. Got this? BLACK eye!

If this doesn't strike you as a racist Rovian attack by Rethuglican false flaggers - you must be an operative by yourself.

Posted by: Long Time Concerned Forensic expert at October 23, 2008 06:50 PM (fUc2u)

37 Palin's witch huntin' guest preacher

Nowhere near as cool as Obama's AIDS-conspiracy-theory, God damn America, full-time preacher. Really wanna do the preacher thing?

Posted by: Jim62sch at October 23, 2008 06:51 PM (ubHgw)

38 WTF the Savage show went dead air.

Posted by: maverick muse at October 23, 2008 06:52 PM (F1b/5)

39 #36, of course. The two times I was mugged, the mugger got the money and then scooted out of there quick. This woman wants everyone to think that her mugger followed her to her car and then gave her a lecture as he scratched a perfectly formed "B" into her cheek. That "B" would have satisfied the nun who taught us penmanship in second grade.

Of course it's a hoax. It's going to be lots of fun when this one gets exposed.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 06:54 PM (DMHwf)

40 Just more proof, ace, that your entire philosophy is created by serial synecdoche.

You're a shitty philosopher, ace, but you can always find some work at the Ministry of Truth.

"Jews multiply like rats," Hitler said.

It works!


Posted by: joe the plumber at October 23, 2008 06:54 PM (WAbNV)

41 Nowhere near as cool as Obama's AIDS-conspiracy-theory, God damn
America, full-time preacher. Really wanna do the preacher thing?

Sure, I'm happy to do the preacher thing, because I think all preachers are lunatic morons. Everyone should have one.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 06:55 PM (DMHwf)

42 Yes, it's not like lefties would spent their time looking for people of the other end of the political spectrum to fight with, is it?

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at October 23, 2008 06:55 PM (MMC8r)

43 George Bush you bastard. I can't believe that you and the Right-wing are so against free speech that you have unleashed street thugs on a political supporter exercising her free speech. The left does not hate like this and is in fact very tolerant or people with multiple viewpoints.

Screw you too McCain, you have been inciting violence at your rallies and have been hinting that people should do whatever it takes to win this election, it was just a matter of time before something like this happened. Obama, would never make such a statement.

And while we are at it, you're an idiot Rush. It is obvious that your humor is so hateful that statements you have made would be a green light to attack people of opposing viewpoints that went into the wrong neighborhood. No comedians on the left would obviously talk like that.


Posted by: David at October 23, 2008 06:56 PM (NgoAe)

44 You don't have to be a criminologist or doctor to know that street thugs are not politically motivated. They want cash to get that crack NOW.They do not want to stick around to (rather delicately) scratch a "B" for Barack to make a point and incidentally increase their sentence for "maiming" if caught.
Unless they were under the influence of said crack. Drugs alter normal judgment, even of your stereotypical street thug.

Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at October 23, 2008 06:56 PM (uOvAE)

45 @36 icus, has it occured to you that the violence was more racially motivated than political? Secondly, muggers do strange shit sometimes. I knew a girl who was mugged, then the guys decided to put her in the car trunk. After that she was set on fire while still alive. Obviously they didn't give a shit if it increased their sentences.


Posted by: POTL at October 23, 2008 06:56 PM (mD4t/)

46 apparently there is a 'kewl new youtube' going around for Bawack and posted on TalkLeft, nice cheek writing in it..

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/10/22/213014/31


Posted by: ginaswo at October 23, 2008 06:57 PM (RWauy)

47 Unless they were under the influence of said crack. Drugs alter normal judgment, even of your stereotypical street thug.

Do you really think a crackhead would have written such a careful "B" and had been careful to a) use a knife, and b) not do any lasting damage? If you do, then I dare say it wasn't the 6'4" black lecturer/mugger who has been on drugs.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 06:59 PM (DMHwf)

48 As a moron myself, I was proud to figure it out early. Einstein would be proud.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at October 23, 2008 07:00 PM (z6fKT)

49 People, do you really not realize how obvious this is? Are you really that desperate?

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 07:00 PM (DMHwf)

50 I knew a girl who was mugged, then the guys decided to put her in the car trunk. After that she was set on fire while still alive. Obviously they didn't give a shit if it increased their sentences.
Well there was at least some rationale to that since they were eliminating a witness. But, yeah, on the whole criminals are not known for their well thought action plans.

Posted by: Mtenloch at October 23, 2008 07:01 PM (Js8cd)

51 Ace - too much idle speculation on this topic...time to move on until we get more information I think. And let's give the girl the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

Posted by: IC at October 23, 2008 07:02 PM (jZNCU)

52 She's got a blog:

Life in the Field is a group blog starring the 50 College Republican field representatives and you.


http://lifeinthefield.com/blogs/ashley-todd

Posted by: icus at October 23, 2008 07:03 PM (FOt5Z)

53 http://lifeinthefield.com/users/ashley-todd

Posted by: chris at October 23, 2008 07:04 PM (A+bw9)

54
From the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (emphasis added):

Although the robber had moved away from her, he became agitated when
he saw her car, punched her in the back of the head, pushed her to the
ground and carved a B into her face, she reported.

"This is what she's telling police," police spokeswoman Diane Richard said. "We can't substantiate it at this time."

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 07:04 PM (DMHwf)

55 Do you really think a crackhead would have written
such a careful "B" and had been careful to a) use a knife, and b) not
do any lasting damage? If you do, then I dare say it wasn't the 6'4"
black lecturer/mugger who has been on drugs.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 06:59 PM (DMHwf) It's always nice to hear liberals doubt the ability of black men to perform the task of curving a single letter. How refreshing and multicultural.

Posted by: Rabbit at October 23, 2008 07:05 PM (fUc2u)

56 36 icus On the other hand, this screams "attention seeking not-very-attractive female with issues" to me.

Stay classy, nazi. Oh, I meant liberal. I guess with the hand signs, hero worship, vandalism, and general goose-stepping, O get confused sometimes.

I think she's cute even with the black eye, if a bit on the young side. I suppose you'd prefer Maureen Dowd or Helen Thomas.

Posted by: Methos at October 23, 2008 07:06 PM (QHtlg)

57 This story will not prevent Zerobama's election. Hammering home the fact that he's an inexperienced punkass bitch just might. let's go there.

Posted by: Jones at October 23, 2008 07:06 PM (KOkrW)

58 Methinks this ismerely a frustrated tattoo artist who lost his job to an overseas company that got tax breaks.
Hell, that theory has as much logic as any other I've seen here.

Posted by: mmm...lemonheads at October 23, 2008 07:07 PM (M9dRY)

59 Someone needs to do a Joe the Plumber here. Soon enough, we'll find out that she had a long and storied career in the high school drama club and various creative writing classes, with a minor in cosmetology.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 07:07 PM (DMHwf)

60 If this were a hoax, wouldn't an O be more likely to be used? That would make more sense if you were trying to fake it, since it doesn't matter if you used a mirror or not.

Posted by: Synner_man at October 23, 2008 07:08 PM (NQWmS)

61 Irony: A persistent liberal troll telling everyone they are desperate.

Posted by: POTL at October 23, 2008 07:10 PM (mD4t/)

62 64 Someone needs to do a Joe the Plumber here. Soon enough, we'll find out that she had a long and storied career in the high school drama club and various creative writing classes, with a minor in cosmetology.
Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 07:07 PM (DMHwf)
Yes because Joe's laughable tax liens disqualify him from ever asking a democrat a legitimate question.

Posted by: obscenely fat sweaty he-bitch AKA ClassicCon at October 23, 2008 07:10 PM (NT91M)

63 POTL--

I was just about to post the same thing.

Posted by: AngelEm at October 23, 2008 07:11 PM (EyKhI)

64 It looks like a Boston Red Sox "B."

Posted by: iamnotachef at October 23, 2008 07:11 PM (nwJit)

65 If this were a hoax, wouldn't an O be more likely to be used? That
would make more sense if you were trying to fake it, since it doesn't
matter if you used a mirror or not.

You are giving this young girl far too much credit. Of course, we shouldn't misunderestimate her either. She seems to have fooled the McCain campaign and the right-wing blogosphere. What's Faux News saying? Did she gull them too?

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 07:11 PM (DMHwf)

66 #65, I had the same thought. If it were a hoax, why use a B? How many people refer to the Plastic Jesus as "B" -- seems like an "O" would be much more plausible if one were trying create a story.

Posted by: CB at October 23, 2008 07:12 PM (9Wv2j)

67 No kidding, POTL. Looks like magic dogshit is the one who is desperate!

Posted by: incognito at October 23, 2008 07:12 PM (Rpam5)

68 I'm still wondering how Joe the Plumber hip-no-tized Obambi into speaking words that he planted in his mind.

Fear his mind power, bitches!

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at October 23, 2008 07:12 PM (MMC8r)

69 McCain did a lousy job of vetting her

/LLL

Posted by: The Monster at October 23, 2008 07:12 PM (up2jZ)

70 And if she were laying on her left side, it would explain this nefarious knife-wielding psychotic liberal's penchant for boobies.

Posted by: mmm...lemonheads at October 23, 2008 07:12 PM (M9dRY)

71 Yes because Joe's laughable tax liens disqualify him from ever asking a democrat a legitimate question.

I love Joe the Plumber. He is perfect. His name isn't Joe, he can't buy the business, he doesn't pay his taxes, and he's not a plumber. Does a Republican ever get more authentic than that?!

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 07:13 PM (DMHwf)

72 Of course the other possibility is Obama supporters don't know which way a "B" is supposed to go. That was my assumption.

Posted by: Ace's liver at October 23, 2008 07:13 PM (XIXhw)

73 This must be hitting home--leftist troll are attacking the other thread about this. Then again, I'm Canadian so my opinion doesn't count. ;^)

Posted by: andycanuck at October 23, 2008 07:13 PM (GGy7k)

74 s/b "trolls"

Posted by: andycanuck at October 23, 2008 07:13 PM (GGy7k)

75

I wonder if Barry's media has covered this at all.

LOL, no fuckin way. Gotta protect the mannequin!

Posted by: Senator Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller at October 23, 2008 07:14 PM (vFeQi)

76 Okay, kids, I'll let you be now. I'm clearly getting to you. Soon enough, Ace will be changing all my postings, etc etc etc, like he does every time someone from the other side is effective. Enjoy your Tawana!

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 07:14 PM (DMHwf)

77 Andy, yeah, I don't think they're smart enough to realize they only show up when they're worried. And that we notice.

Posted by: counter at October 23, 2008 07:15 PM (8/0ME)

78 Ace, can you just delete this thread already? It's gone beyond fucking retarded with all the trolls here. This story is nothing until the police report is done.

Posted by: ChangeUCantBeliueveIn at October 23, 2008 07:15 PM (rvIvq)

79 "Effective" how, fucktard? But sure, run away.

Pussy.

Posted by: AngelEm at October 23, 2008 07:16 PM (EyKhI)

80 It's also hilarious that they reference Tawana. I don't think they realize who pulled that stunt. The follower of another community organizer, Al Sharpton.

Posted by: counter at October 23, 2008 07:16 PM (8/0ME)

81 Enjoy your Tawana!

Wait... lefty doubts Tawana Brawley? Don't let the Truth Squad hear that, comrade.

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at October 23, 2008 07:17 PM (MMC8r)

82 And if this bold socialist attacker held her down on her right side, he would most definitely be a fan of Sir Mix-A-Lot.
He likes big butts......and he cannot lie.

Posted by: mmm...lemonheads at October 23, 2008 07:18 PM (M9dRY)

83 Sure, I'm happy to do the preacher thing, because I think all preachers are lunatic morons. Everyone should have one.

Really, asshole? Google "Emil Kapaun".

Posted by: Jim62sch at October 23, 2008 07:18 PM (ubHgw)

84 78 Yes because Joe's laughable tax liens disqualify him from ever asking a democrat a legitimate question.I love Joe the Plumber. He is perfect. His name isn't Joe, he can't buy the business, he doesn't pay his taxes, and he's not a plumber. Does a Republican ever get more authentic than that?!
Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 07:13 PM (DMHwf)
Why can't he buy the business? He obviously pays his taxes, only democrats get away with doing that a not going to jail. He is not a plumber because he doesn't have the union thug/bureaucratic mandated paperwork? Interesting.
See what happens when you dare to embarass a liberal? Stalin would be proud.

Posted by: obscenely fat sweaty he-bitch AKA ClassicCon at October 23, 2008 07:19 PM (NT91M)

85 Someone please rape that Magic Dog.

Posted by: Pipe Barackage at October 23, 2008 07:19 PM (Z9IOH)

86 my first thought was he did her upside down.

Same here. But I'm left handed and pretty good at the spacial relationships thing and can look at something and see all the different perspectives.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 23, 2008 07:21 PM (OqXyp)

87 Dude, if I just post incessantly it will totally give me credibility and I won't look desperate!

Posted by: Sorcerer/Philosopher's Dognuts at October 23, 2008 07:21 PM (mD4t/)

88 Pittsburgh law enforcement sources tell TMZ they have serious questions about the authenticity of the alleged victim who says she had her face cut by a politically-motivated attacker.We're told there are several things about the alleged attack that don't add up. A Pittsburgh PD official says they are conducting a "thorough investigation" and have not determined if the alleged attack is real or a hoax. But we're told there is definitely a level of skepticism.As we reported, the alleged victim claims she went to an ATM and when she turned around, a large dark-skinned man took the money she withdrew. She says when he noticed she had a McCain/Palin bumper sticker on her car, he became enraged, knocked her down and cut a "B" in her face.We're told the woman refused medical assistance at the scene and said she would go to the hospital the next day.
It would appear that some of the morons are not so moronic afterall.

Posted by: Fish at October 23, 2008 07:22 PM (6Rihj)

89 I am dissappointed to see so many throw the troll label and cry when a leftie makes their point. Stand up for yourself and quit running to mommy Ace.

Posted by: obscenely fat sweaty he-bitch AKA ClassicCon at October 23, 2008 07:22 PM (NT91M)

90 I agree with everyone who has said that the ''B'' looks much too neat and tidy to have been scratched onto an unwilling victim's skin during an attack.

Posted by: Throbert McGee at October 23, 2008 07:24 PM (qaT27)

91 he-bitch please! Push those moby man boobs together again, its time for another jug humping.

Posted by: POTL at October 23, 2008 07:25 PM (mD4t/)

92 I first heard about this on the radio. My initial thought was that the "B" was for "bitch".
I think we should give this young lady the benefit of the doubt. If she hasn't told the truth, I'm sure the police will make her wish she'd never reported it.

Posted by: ladylawyer at October 23, 2008 07:25 PM (lXdU5)

93 Attackers do stuff like this while positioned above the victim's head so that the victim will feel free to thrash about their arms and legs if desired.

Posted by: sonny at October 23, 2008 07:27 PM (670We)

94
McCain did a lousy job of vetting her

My advice to Ace is to start asking the question whether she is an Obama mole, sent to discredit the McCain campaign with a false charge of a Big Scary Black Man attacking her.

Because y'all will need an out if it turns out to be a BS story. Right now she's being questioned by Pittsburgh detectives, who are having her look at mug shots of 6'4" black guys. They are not going to be happy if they sniff out a BS attention seeking political stunt.




Posted by: icus at October 23, 2008 07:28 PM (FOt5Z)

95 Okay, one more posting and I promise I'm done here. First off, I think Al Sharpton is a lunatic, and I'm entirely on the side of the cop(s) he defamed in the Tawana Brawley case. Unlike you people, I'm not a knee-jerk whackjob.

Now, here's why I really came back. I found the following on a right-wing website:

Sorry to say but as a Physician, those lacerations (if you want to call
them that)could not come from a knife of any sort, sharp or dull. Also,
from the way her cheek is manifesting as red and irritated (synonymous
for scratches) makes it an easy prognosis for me:This is indeed a self-inflicted 'wound' most likely done with either a paper clip or quite possibly a fingernail.If
you would look at the BOTTOM of the letter, there are 2 DISTINCT and
SEPARATE marks (what did the mugger do? Go over the same area with a
different line?). This is not plausible in any form.This is a
fraudulent attempt at falsifying an attack and is illegal since a
police report was filed. Why was she allowed to 'walk away' from the
scene or a mugging/attack?She never offered a description of her attacker other than he was 'supposedly' an Obama supporter. Was he white, black, latino??This
is outrageous and demands further scrutiny. Also suspect are the
blackeyes. Although real, the contusions are not reminiscent of a
frontal punch as there are no abrasions/contusions above the eye socket
(men have big, large knuckles) and the area around the eye socket is
sensitive soft tissues. This woman is committing fraud via Munchhausen
By Proxy and should be jailed for submitting a false police
report/complaint. And the only reason WHY she would refuse to seek
medical treatment is that she knows her story would not hold up under a
physicians examination.And no, I am not an Obama supporter, I
am voting McCain but these false allegations and rumors must stop. As a
Dr, I can not fathom why people go to great lengths to lie about being
attacked.Someone needs to have her examined for 'a possible
concussion' from being 'punched in the head', that alone would have
allowed the police to forcefully admit her as if she in some way passes
out while driving home after the 'attack, the police department would
be liable for allowing her to leave with possible 'brain trauma'.This story is a joke and not funny people.

http://tinyurl.com/5sxqms

CHILDREN: Stop and think about how dumb you look. Okay, so now I am gone. Honest.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 07:28 PM (DMHwf)

96 Thank you, Ace. Sorry for calling you a pussy.

Posted by: Y-not at October 23, 2008 07:29 PM (KF4QM)

97 Time to destroy her!

Anyone have any dirt on this girl? We already have reporters digging through her trash BUT WE NEED INFO!!!

Posted by: MSM at October 23, 2008 07:29 PM (KaqJP)

98 How are those library computers working out for you, pussy?
Don't pederasts usually use library computers to make it more difficult to track them?
And someone who uses an online alias, like Magic Dog, complaining about Joe's preference for using his middle name equating it to a lie. A new definition of irony, I suspect, has just been created.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 23, 2008 07:30 PM (GGy7k)

99 Ace,
I also am skeptical, but open to attitude adjustment or a good butt thumping with the flaming skull.

Posted by: Fish at October 23, 2008 07:30 PM (6Rihj)

100 CHILDREN: Stop and think about how dumb you look. Okay, so now I am gone. Honest.
Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 07:28 PM (DMHwf)
Ehh, last time I looked most of the posters on here are feeling this story is as bogus as Obama's patriotism so I am not sure who you are calling the children?

Posted by: obscenely fat sweaty he-bitch AKA ClassicCon at October 23, 2008 07:31 PM (NT91M)

101 @86 "Effective" how, fucktard?

Thats what I was thinking AngelEm.

Ace changes DD all the time, his posts aren't what I would call effective. He claimed Joe the Plumber was a plant. Also DD said that everything that black supremacist whacko wrote was true.

Posted by: POTL at October 23, 2008 07:31 PM (mD4t/)

102 What do liberals say whenever they are caught faking a hate crime? They say they did toincrease "awareness" in hate crimes.
So this woman is simply helping increase awarenessin hate crimes.

Posted by: Aaron at October 23, 2008 07:31 PM (dTiq3)

103 Frankly, any whiz kid attempting to bunk-or-debunk some silly shit through the Internet with one fucking picture and some sparse news stories is wanking himself in front of everybody. I don't know if the shit's true or not, but the flood of Lefties insisting it isn't is a target-rich environment of idiots to fuck with. That's how I get my fun.

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at October 23, 2008 07:32 PM (MMC8r)

104 They have the surveillance filmfromthe atm ;this is no hoax this is heinous.

Posted by: Swannie at October 23, 2008 07:32 PM (A58Gp)

105 on Fox Shep Smith, he mentioned she took the picture of herself

Posted by: ginaswo at October 23, 2008 07:33 PM (RWauy)

106 They have the surveillance filmfromthe atm ;this is no hoax this is heinous.

Posted by: Swannie at October 23, 2008 07:32 PM (A58Gp)
I am pretty sure I read that they did not get any footage as the supposed crime outside the view of the camera. It would be interesting to see the ATM footage of her withdrawing money before the crime just to see the status of her face?

Posted by: obscenely fat sweaty he-bitch AKA ClassicCon at October 23, 2008 07:34 PM (NT91M)

107 his woman is committing fraud via Munchhausen
By Proxy and should be jailed for submitting a false police
report/complaint.

No, this would be just straight Munchhausen's syndrome. Munchhausen by proxy is when you seek attention by injuring your children or another proxy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munchausen_syndrome

Posted by: icus at October 23, 2008 07:36 PM (FOt5Z)

108 Everyone wants to give this the 24 hour rule, except if they are calling her a liar. Why is it that republicans are always so willing to eat their own. It's like everyone wants to say its a hoax so they don't look foolish later. Why do we always show class towards the liberals, like when Kennedy was diagnosed, we said get well. When Obama's grandmother gets sick we say we wish her well etc... doesn't this girl even deserve just a little bit of lets wait and see?

Posted by: spypeach at October 23, 2008 07:36 PM (QwWKI)

109 Now, here's why I really came back. I found the following on a right-wing website:


Wow, you found a comment on a blog.

Posted by: POTL at October 23, 2008 07:36 PM (mD4t/)

110 I heardthat they had some film of this on the "news"on MSNBarakchannel so it could very well be a lie ... but for a woman or a child not to be believed after an assault ,abuse, or rap,e is "typical" too.

Posted by: Swannie at October 23, 2008 07:38 PM (A58Gp)

111 Joe The Cock Plumber: If you can't clear your boyfriends pipes by blowing then suck.

Also a knife actually tickles when you draw it across your throat really fast; please try it.

Posted by: Mr. Chumpo at October 23, 2008 07:39 PM (i73Rf)

112 From a doctor, no less.

Did I tell you that I'm a rocket scientist?

Posted by: incognito at October 23, 2008 07:39 PM (Rpam5)

113 I really am leaving now. My mommy is yelling at me that it's dinnertime. I usually tell her to shut the fuck up, but not tonite. After all we're having ass cheese for dinner. My favorite!!!!

I might come back after I get done masturbating to pictures of Omammy's mommy.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 07:41 PM (dwWnk)

114 #50--If you're still reading about your friend who was mugged, put in a trunk, then set on fire, etc.---I have a question. I worked for a criminal defense attorney in KC 92-93 while in law school. One of his clients was accused (and, yeah, probably guilty) of doing this to someone. He and his friends abducted her in PVKS, took her to an ATM. Used her ATM card to take out money. Then drove around in her car w/ her in the trunk. Then stabbed her and set the car on fire (she lived). On the off-chance--same case?

Posted by: MSM at October 23, 2008 07:41 PM (4DoFz)

115 Fuck, Bob Barr supporters are hardcore.

Posted by: Seattle Slough at October 23, 2008 07:41 PM (H5l9d)

116 I say, we wait to hear what the police have to say after viewing the tapes.

The flaming skull story is much more important and should be moved back to the top.

Posted by: incognito at October 23, 2008 07:42 PM (Rpam5)

117 It will soon be confirmed, and the main reason i doubt this is a hoax is because she claims to be robbed at the ATM, where there are cameras. Nobody - even a Democrat would be stupid enough to make a false claim which can be easily disproven.

Posted by: Rabbit at October 23, 2008 07:42 PM (fUc2u)

118 In other news, Bush's former press secretary Scott McClellan endorses Obama. Why does Obama have such close ties with the Bush administration? A vote for Obama is just another vote for the last 8 years of Bush.

Posted by: Jim62sch at October 23, 2008 07:43 PM (ubHgw)

119 second

Posted by: Mr. Chumpo at October 23, 2008 07:44 PM (i73Rf)

120 From a doctor, no less.



Did I tell you that I'm a rocket scientist?


icognito, that ain't shit. I'm a pornstar astronaut former SEAL. It must be true, cause its posted in a blog comment.

Posted by: POTL at October 23, 2008 07:44 PM (mD4t/)

121 so, um, the proof that shiners don't do this? Would seem to be
contradicted. whether self-inflicted or not, at least one form of eye
or nose trauma does this, no?

Right, it's possible she was robbed, and then is some kind of angry spasm or fanatic (and she appears to be a fanatic) opportunism decided to embellish the truth by adding the "B" and the angry political Obamanoid black mugger idea.

Just like Duke - the stripper was probably groped a little, had some of her money taken (back) away from her, and then told the tale of rape because she was crazy and pissed off.

You'd think that if black mugger connected her to the car with the McCain bumper sticker, he would have jacked the car, lol.

Posted by: icus at October 23, 2008 07:48 PM (FOt5Z)

122 People who actually have a job who live out west? I dunno.

Posted by: incognito at October 23, 2008 07:48 PM (Rpam5)

123 "ehhh... maybe, but it was up at the top for most of the day. who hasn't seen it?"

the MSM apparently.

Posted by: David at October 23, 2008 07:49 PM (NgoAe)

124 ace 121 is right re: trauma. I already brought up the case of Mirecki from Kansas (although he was hit harder).
I thoughtbetter reasons werethe backwards B the shallowness of the scratch. But we have to wait for the official police report to explain the first one; and the thug just wanted to terrorise her, not maim her (he'd risk a LONG prison stretch for that), so that explains the second one.
Also (from HotAir)the local Republicans who know her are vouching for her.
I am not letting BHO off the hook for this "lone nut". BHO is pro-criminal; he inherited fromAyers the idea thatblack-on-white "crime" is not crime butresistance to the white-supremacist bourgeoisie.

Posted by: David Ross at October 23, 2008 07:49 PM (62P5L)

125 All I know is many a car was vandalized by totally fucking wacked out Democrats last election season
As well as many a RNC headquarters
Is it completely unimaginable that hopped up on Bush hate Ds would vandalize a human? Certainly not.
Is this particular story cause for some skepticism? Certainly.

Posted by: TMF at October 23, 2008 07:52 PM (/YM8H)

126 @123, No, she didn't make it. God rest her soul.

Posted by: POTL at October 23, 2008 07:52 PM (mD4t/)

127 #114,
The ATM footage right before the attack would show her face pre-attack - good point. The police (I believe) showed up pretty quickly. So we should know fairly soon that all injuries were inflicted in the few minutes between cash withdrawal and police arrival. If this is a hoax, she would have to be pretty quick thinking to say "dang, I just got robbed, let me carve a B on my face!"

Posted by: wooga at October 23, 2008 07:52 PM (t9sT5)

128 Not to mention filing false police reports is a crime
This chick is going to risk jail to score a weird political point?I call real on this story

Posted by: TMF at October 23, 2008 07:54 PM (/YM8H)

129 "Right, it's possible she was robbed, and then is some kind of angry
spasm or fanatic (and she appears to be a fanatic) opportunism decided
to embellish the truth by adding the "B" and the angry political
Obamanoid black mugger idea."


...except only unhinged leftists, aka Cindy Sheehan types, do this sort of self-inflicted political statement bullshit.





"Just like Duke - the stripper was
probably groped a little, had some of her money taken (back) away from
her, and then told the tale of rape because she was crazy and pissed
off.

You'd think that if black mugger connected her to the car with the McCain bumper sticker, he would have jacked the car, lol."



So now you're suggesting that all black muggers are car thieves? You RACIST WHITE DEVIL!!!

maybe the attacker didn't have a use for the car, lol.

Posted by: kal at October 23, 2008 07:59 PM (6aznY)

130 Is there going to be a live blog of the Third party candidates debate tonight on CSPAN? I believe it starts at 9 EST.

Posted by: Iwillnotsubmit at October 23, 2008 07:59 PM (Ec8wQ)

131 No one would carve a B on their own face.

Posted by: Mr. Chumpo at October 23, 2008 08:01 PM (i73Rf)

132 #138 makes a good point. All the camera footage has to show is a clean face before she talks to the police, leaving no time for her to put a hoax scar and black eyes on to her face.

Posted by: Synner_man at October 23, 2008 08:01 PM (NQWmS)

133 Well, more details coming out - she did call police shortly after it happen and the with picture upside down you can see swelling contra the Dr. Kos's running around trying to do damage control.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 23, 2008 08:02 PM (eQwUw)

134 Until I see a credit card receipt, filled-out warranty registration card for the knife, and a book entitled "Carving Barack Obama's initials in my mugging victim's face - this kind of thing really is my bag, baby!" signed by the mugger I'm saying it's a hoax.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at October 23, 2008 08:04 PM (Ulsfn)

135 While you're waiting for the Pittsburgh police to call bullshit on her story, you might want to investigate something else: The McCain Feingold campaign finance law specifically prohibits spending campaign donations on clothing. So much for the rule of law.

Posted by: Kos Kid at October 23, 2008 08:06 PM (DMHwf)

136 I'd hit it.

Posted by: Obamabot at October 23, 2008 08:10 PM (eIYnS)

137 Here is my guess, everything is true. Robbery, extra face mark because the crook deduced she was not an Obama supporter. The B is for Bitch because she was a McCain supporter. Either way the attack would have been politically motivated and a preemptive fuck you to those who would make a distinction as to what the letter means.

Posted by: David at October 23, 2008 08:10 PM (NgoAe)

138 This chick is going to risk jail to score a weird political point? I call real on this story

She might not be the brightest bulb, and appears to be a real fanatic (highly politically motivated, if you prefer), giving up her semester, her job just to drive around the country for the College Republicans for a couple of months. Plus tough to prove she's lying and not a "victim."

But, there will be lots of details - the ATM video of the transaction, the time of the transaction, the time of the 911 call or other report to the police, her location when the police responded, how this got into the press, who called the press, (may be a tip) if she called the press on the record, how quickly she called, the police report itself, etc. . . .

Posted by: icus at October 23, 2008 08:10 PM (FOt5Z)

139 Come on, you were all thinking the same thing. I hope this lady is ok.

Posted by: mrobvious at October 23, 2008 08:11 PM (eIYnS)

140 Welcome back, Magic Dog. Just couldn't stay away, hm?

Posted by: AngelEm at October 23, 2008 08:11 PM (EyKhI)

141 146 While you're waiting for the Pittsburgh police to call bullshit on her story, you might want to investigate something else: The McCain Feingold campaign finance law specifically prohibits spending campaign donations on clothing. So much for the rule of law.
Posted by: Kos Kid at October 23, 2008 08:06 PM (DMHwf)
Last time I checked bombing your own country was against the law as well, but that liberal was given tenure for it. Interesting how that works.
If someone at the McCain campaign broke the law, then they should pay for it.

Posted by: obscenely fat sweaty he-bitch AKA ClassicCon at October 23, 2008 08:11 PM (NT91M)

142 131 icus

You'd think that if black mugger connected her to the car with the McCain bumper sticker, he would have jacked the car, lol.

Dude, he'd be a dead man driving, with a McCain bumper sticker. Race traitor and all that.

Posted by: Methos at October 23, 2008 08:12 PM (QHtlg)

143 I like balls.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 08:12 PM (DMHwf)

144 146 While you're waiting for the Pittsburgh police to call bullshit on her story, you might want to investigate something else: The McCain Feingold campaign finance law specifically prohibits spending campaign donations on clothing. So much for the rule of law.
Posted by: Kos Kid at October 23, 2008 08:06 PM (DMHwf)

Kos Kid, Magic Dog, or whatever the fuck your name is,
that's all true except for the fact that it wasn't the campaign that bought the clothes. It was the RNC, You fucktard. Besides they're going to be given away after the campaign is over.

All of a sudden you care about the rule of law? How about ACORN? Illegal (foreign) credit card donations via bHo's website? Illegal voting and registration.

**CRICKETS**

Posted by: yomomma at October 23, 2008 08:13 PM (dwWnk)

145 "she'll add another percentage point to Obama's . . ."

So McCain will only win +3. I can live with that.

Posted by: David at October 23, 2008 08:14 PM (NgoAe)

146 The McCain Feingold campaign finance law specifically prohibits spending campaign donations on clothing.

It was party money, douchebag.

Try again.

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at October 23, 2008 08:14 PM (MMC8r)

147 When is Obama going to file his expenditures? He is required to do so by law. He hasn't. What is he hiding?

Posted by: Thomas E. Dewey '48 at October 23, 2008 08:16 PM (s+2rG)

148 Children, there's a hospital a block away from where she says this happened. She told the police she was hit on the back of the head and knocked down and then "mutilated," but she refused treatment. And it happened after dark, but the black mugger did this because he read her car's bumper stickers.

Oops. Looks like the wingnuts really bought off on this College Republican lie a little too quickly. Hey, I sympathize. When you're a Republican, it gets really hard to tell the difference.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 08:18 PM (DMHwf)

149 Magic Dog, please promise that you'll be here on election day. Your sudden silence when the golden calf loses will mean a lot to us.

Posted by: Methos at October 23, 2008 08:20 PM (QHtlg)

150 Kos Kid, Magic Dog, or whatever the fuck your name is,
that's all true except for the fact that it wasn't the campaign that
bought the clothes. It was the RNC, You fucktard. Besides they're going
to be given away after the campaign is over.

I wonder how all those Republican congresscritters who just got their funding pulled feel about $150K going for Sarah's wardrobe. And where are the receipts? Come on, chances are that some insider stole a bunch of that money. If you guys are so fiscally correct, wouldn't you want to pursue the thieves? Or do you figure that when a Republican steals from another Republican, who knows the difference?

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 08:20 PM (DMHwf)

151 Magic Dog, please promise that you'll be here on election day. Your
sudden silence when the golden calf loses will mean a lot to us.

Never happen. Remember when McCain's convention surge took hold? All the little trollkins magically disappeared....like pussies.

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at October 23, 2008 08:21 PM (MMC8r)

152 Magic Dog, please promise that you'll be here on election day.

I wouldn't miss it for the world. No one whines like a Republican scorned, so I'm going to be everywhere in wingnuttia on Nov. 5th, listening with a finely tuned ear!

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 08:22 PM (DMHwf)

153 When is Obama going to file his expenditures? He is required to do so by law. He hasn't.

Are you sure of that?

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 08:23 PM (DMHwf)

154 No one? Have you ever heard of the entire Lib agenda.

Posted by: Mr. Chumpo at October 23, 2008 08:24 PM (i73Rf)

155 Good Lord. What next?

Posted by: ArandomPerson at October 23, 2008 08:24 PM (oERXg)

156 "And it happened after dark, but the black mugger did this because he read her car's bumper stickers."


Now the RACIST WHITE DEVIL says that black muggers can't read!

Posted by: kal at October 23, 2008 08:24 PM (6aznY)

157 serenity now

Posted by: Mr. Chumpo at October 23, 2008 08:25 PM (i73Rf)

158 It was party money, douchebag.

The McCain Feingold law covers campaign money, regardless of who raised it. Of course, we're talking about "the law," which has never been an obstacle for Republicans in the past. But next year, when there's a Democratic president, 62 Democratic senators (well, maybe 61 after Lieberman switches), and 270 Democratic congresscritters, I think there might be more Republicans developing a sudden interest in the law.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 08:27 PM (DMHwf)

159 Wow; I leave for a few hours and come back to this brilliant dialogue. Ace, it's either time to post something cool like poll numbers that show McCain up and Murtha way down, bump the Obambi credit card fraud shit with double flaming skulls, or at only just after five pm I'm gonna have to resort to the Absolut on rocks. Val-U-Rite just ain't going to cut it for this drivel.

Posted by: CInAz at October 23, 2008 08:27 PM (qIOmI)

160 Who knows till the police do their work.

I do know that Gibson's radio show reported she got a call from Palin this morning.

She's sending Todd to take care of it.

Posted by: Swegin at October 23, 2008 08:27 PM (q0Z3p)

161 "I wouldn't miss it for the world. No one whines like a Republican
scorned, so I'm going to be everywhere in wingnuttia on Nov. 5th,
listening with a finely tuned ear!"


This bot already lied once in this thread, how are we supposed to pin our hopes and dreams on any assertion it subsequently makes?

I'm shocked and disappointed, to say the least.

Posted by: kal at October 23, 2008 08:28 PM (6aznY)

162 For fuck's sake. All right handed people reach up right now, without thinking, and 'draw' an imaginary 'B' on your face.

Which cheek did you draw it on? (Probably left, with the back of the B closest to, andparallel to your nose)

If you use a mirror, you draw it on your right cheek, with the back of the B toward the back of your cheek.
In both cases though, the orientation of the letter is the same. Try it. That is not the case with this woman, the orientation is reversed.

If that mark is in fact on her right cheek, I suspect her story might be legit.

Posted by: Gen 'Buck' Turgidson at October 23, 2008 08:28 PM (ob1nV)

163 Now the RACIST WHITE DEVIL says that black muggers can't read!

The racist white devil wants to know how big the bumper stickers were, where they were located, and where the car was parked relative to the lights in the parking lot. I think the police will want to know that, and some other things, too.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 08:29 PM (DMHwf)

164 I hit refresh and the magic Credit Card thread is back at top. Excellent. Still needs double flaming skull, but I'm gonna stick with the Absolut tonight--very smooth.

Posted by: CInAz at October 23, 2008 08:30 PM (qIOmI)

165

The left will have this to think about...

Barry is everything AND MORE that you idiots *claimed* GW Bush was.

And that is karma, fuckers. that motherfucker can't pronounce Massachusetts.

MASSATOOSITS!

LOL, that will be the best, seeing a complete newb Communitard Barry mangle the English language as bad, of not worse, than Bush.

It will be funny.

And we know that you assholes stole the election! Makes it even more a turnabout, doesn't it?

SUCK ON IT.

Posted by: Senator Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller at October 23, 2008 08:32 PM (vFeQi)

166 Ace, it's either time to post something cool like poll numbers

Ah yes, poll numbers.

http://tinyurl.com/6gnjuf

This bot already lied once in this thread

Nah, I really intended to leave, but I can't resist wingnuts in heat. You're sooooooo cute.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 08:32 PM (DMHwf)

167 A lib talking about politicians getting away with breaking the law...that is rich.

How much time did Jefferson's get? Oh that is right, you guys are all about the rule of law.

Just consider the purchasing of expensive clothes a wealthy Republican's version of civil disobedience. Smashing Starbuck windows is reserved for the poor, whitetrash members of our society.

Posted by: obscenely fat sweaty he-bitch AKA ClassicCon at October 23, 2008 08:33 PM (NT91M)

168 I've got to say that I'm skeptical on this one... so sorry, but how often have we heard this crap from college professors et. al., claiming to be repressed?

Let's not make this a hill to die on or make too much of it. Let's get confirmation first. I prefer to avoid "faith-promoting rumors" when possible.

Posted by: Guy in Utah at October 23, 2008 08:33 PM (S2kaf)

169

Oh yeah, I forgot...

JOE BIDEN!

AHAHAHAHAAAAAAHAAAA!

Posted by: Senator Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller at October 23, 2008 08:33 PM (vFeQi)

170 Yeah, because a mugger - even a politically-motivated one - would hold down someone long enough to lightly scratch a perfectly-formed capital B instead of the more obivious, not to mention simple, O.


Posted by: ropeswing at October 23, 2008 08:36 PM (ZFPkU)

171 obama is an apostate muslim -
he's friends with unrepentant domestic terrorists -
he went to a rascist 'black power' church for twenty years -
his indo school records show himas an 'indonesian citizen' - religion, 'islam.
he received tuition in quaranic studies.
called the muslim call to prayer at dusk, 'the most beautiful sound'
his mother was a slut.
his wife michelle looks like the grinch and has man hands.
what's not to like about the man?

Posted by: bernadette dorhn at October 23, 2008 08:36 PM (xO/lB)

172 I've got to say that I'm skeptical on this one... so sorry, but how
often have we heard this crap from college professors et. al., claiming
to be repressed?

You usually get stuff like this from people who are desperate, mentally unbalanced, and afraid, which pretty much describes McCain himself, and anyone working for him.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 08:38 PM (DMHwf)

173 #181

Maybe he dropped out of school before they got to the letter 'O'.

Posted by: Gen 'Buck' Turgidson at October 23, 2008 08:39 PM (ob1nV)

174 Shit, she live-blogged her search for the ATM of Doom. You can almost hear the horror movie music cued up as you read her postings. What a crock.

The Smoking Gun: http://tinyurl.com/66z4wb
Stubbornly searching for a bank of america to avoid ATM fees. about 22 hours agoPretty sure I'm on the wrong side of Pittsburgh. about 21 hours agoOh the blog I will be making soon. . . Its been a rough night #litf08. about 18 hours ago

Posted by: icus at October 23, 2008 08:40 PM (FOt5Z)

175 It's "Bernadine" Dohrn in whose living room the former state Senator Alice Palmer says Barack kicked off his political career. Not Bernadette.

Posted by: Al at October 23, 2008 08:40 PM (Lk931)

176 Huh, when the picture is upside down, that "black eye" looks even more fake.

Posted by: Inspector Morse at October 23, 2008 08:43 PM (1zt0i)

177 Fuck, Bob Barr supporters are hardcore.

I laughed out loud. A strange experience, laughing with SS rather that at him.

I thought erg was under the hammer, yet he keeps appearing. Are you keeping the gimp in a trunk, Ace?

Posted by: toby928 at October 23, 2008 08:43 PM (PD1tk)

178 Okay, if it IS really a black eye, I'm going to be really interested in knowing just where she got it. Anyone wanna guess?

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 08:43 PM (DMHwf)

179 Pittsburgh law enforcement sources tell TMZ they have serious questions
about the authenticity of the alleged victim who says she had her face
cut by a politically-motivated attacker.

We're told there are several things about the alleged attack that don't
add up. A Pittsburgh PD official says they are conducting a "thorough
investigation" and have not determined if the alleged attack is real or
a hoax. But we're told there is definitely a level of skepticism.

http://www.tmz.com/

Posted by: icus at October 23, 2008 08:45 PM (FOt5Z)

180 162, Stinky Esposito

Never happen. Remember when McCain's convention surge took hold? All
the little trollkins magically disappeared....like pussies.

I'm hoping that the timespan will be the difference. Those polls were a day to day thing. I fully expect on election night that MSNBC will be pronouncing an Obama victory with 10 point blowouts in the battleground states while Fox names them too close to call because the McCan leads are so large. So we get an hour and a half of Obamabot gloating followed by sweet silence.

Posted by: Methos at October 23, 2008 08:45 PM (QHtlg)

181 The jagoff posting as "Magic Dog" was last seen here on October 17, posting as The Secret Squirrel, and linking to some weird site about 'the black socialist agenda'. Just websearch his commenter hash (DMHwf):

Is your homework done yet, Junior??

Duh.


Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at October 23, 2008 08:47 PM (kKgTD)

182 these pencil neck trust fund lefties are kinda rattled by this huh.

going to be fun seeing chauncey obama lose this election.

Posted by: bernadette dorhn at October 23, 2008 08:47 PM (xO/lB)

183 #191 I suspect outlets like....everything except FOX will have accidental little 'oopsies', where they call the state for Obama long before the polls close. And as you said, even while McCain shows a lead.

Posted by: Gen 'Buck' Turgidson at October 23, 2008 08:48 PM (ob1nV)

184 189 Okay, if it IS really a black eye, I'm going to be really interested in knowing just where she got it. Anyone wanna guess?
Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 08:43 PM (DMHwf)
Uhh, maybe she is dating that Obama supporter in New York that assaulted that woman who had a McCain sign? Last time I checked, you guys were all about setting a bitch right when they got out of line.

Posted by: obscenely fat sweaty he-bitch AKA ClassicCon at October 23, 2008 08:48 PM (NT91M)

185 The McCain Feingold law covers campaign money, regardless of who raised it.

Not for expenditures covering candidates clothes raised by RNC. You're just jealous that Palin looks great while Michelle looks like the old couch the cat peed on.


Posted by: Thomas E. Dewey '48 at October 23, 2008 08:49 PM (s+2rG)

186 That carved "B" is constitutionally guaranteed free speech. Shame on you racists for suppressing a black man's constitutional rights.

Posted by: Tushar turns moonbat at October 23, 2008 08:49 PM (PTWes)

187 While we're waiting for the Pittsburgh police, let's talk about the election. I say 53-55% and 350-385 EVs for Obama, 59-62 Senate seats (before Lieberman decamps for the Likud Party), and 34 House seats (new balance there, 270-165). Looks like more and more Republicans are seeing it likewise.

http://tinyurl.com/65gyhx

This could be a problem for you guys, don't you think?

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 08:51 PM (DMHwf)

188 Poll at tmz.com get over and vote,

The attack ...Hoax74%Real26%
Total Votes:
14,716

Posted by: icus at October 23, 2008 08:51 PM (FOt5Z)

189 Is there a Doctor Frist in the house?

Posted by: sonny at October 23, 2008 08:53 PM (670We)

190 Do you like my Secret Squirrel site? It was fun making it.

http://realsecretsquirrel.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 08:53 PM (DMHwf)

191 A knife-wielding man robbed a McCain-Palin campaign volunteer and etched a B into her face after he saw a McCain bumper sticker on the womans car, Pittsburgh police said.

Ashley Todd, 20, of College Station, Texas, was using an ATM at Liberty Avenue and Pearl Street in Bloomfield just before 9 p.m. Wednesday when a man approached her, put a knife to her throat and demanded $60, police said.

Todd handed the man $60 she had in her pocket and stepped away from him, investigators said. The man then noticed the bumper sticker on the woman's car, which was parked in front of the ATM. The man became very angry, made comments to Todd about John McCain and punched her in the back of the head, knocking her to the ground, police said.

"He continued to kick and punch her repeatedly and said he would teach her a lesson for supporting John McCain," said police Chief Nate Harper.

The man then carved the "B" into Todd's right cheek. Todd, who isn't familiar with the area, drove to a friend's house nearby and told her friend she wasn't sure of the exact location where the robbery took place but remembered a green sign above the ATM. The friend called police and the officer met them on Cypress Street in Bloomfield, police said.

Todd's friend offered to drive her back in the direction she came from to look at ATMs until she found the right one, police said. A police officer followed until Todd pointed out a Citizens Bank ATM at Liberty and Pearl, police said.

She declined medical treatment at the scene and said she would go to a hospital today.

And police are getting the surveillance.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 23, 2008 08:54 PM (eQwUw)

192 I love polls at gay celeb gossip websites! Who wants to go see High School Musical 3 with me this weekend?

Posted by: icus at October 23, 2008 08:54 PM (uOvAE)

193 'let's talk about the election'.
ok- obama will lose and certain people will burn and break shit.

Posted by: bernadette dorhn at October 23, 2008 08:55 PM (xO/lB)

194 201 Do you like my Secret Squirrel site? It was fun making it.http://realsecretsquirrel.blogspot.com/
Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 08:53 PM (DMHwf)
Damn man you must of been really bored, run out of pedo?

Posted by: obscenely fat sweaty he-bitch AKA ClassicCon at October 23, 2008 08:56 PM (NT91M)

195 My call: Magic Dog is that pud Frito. Same 'Look at me, LOOK AT ME!' modus operandi.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at October 23, 2008 08:57 PM (kKgTD)

196 The man then carved the "B" into Todd's right cheek. Todd, who isn't
familiar with the area, drove to a friend's house nearby and told her
friend she wasn't sure of the exact location where the robbery took
place but remembered a green sign above the ATM. The friend called
police and the officer met them on Cypress Street in Bloomfield, police
said.


Todd's friend offered to drive her back in the direction she came
from to look at ATMs until she found the right one, police said. A
police officer followed until Todd pointed out a Citizens Bank ATM at
Liberty and Pearl, police said.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall as the Pittsburgh police interview the friend and remind him/her that filing a fake police report is a crime, and that helping someone do it is also a crime.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 08:57 PM (DMHwf)

197

Hey Dog, you know who blew their brains out in Pittsburgh?

Steve Kangas, an avatar of the left, a good guy who fought hard against the evilness that is Conservatism.

Blew his brains out right in Dick Scaife's bathroom. Kinda pathetic, really.

But then, he was a big man of the left, a huge presence.

But he ate a bullet smashed as hell on Jack.

Oh well.

Posted by: Senator Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller at October 23, 2008 09:00 PM (vFeQi)

198 Shocked that people are this technologically ignorant.
The upside down explanation is probably correct, but there are several other possible explanations.

If you have a camera or cell phone and want to see what you look like to other people, when you don't have anyone around to take the picture, you flip the image.

Most people I know do this when the lens and LCD are on the same side, like on mine.

Even if this is not the explanation, notice she has wounds on both the left and right side.

And frankly, big city beat cops aren't known for their powers of observation. It could be some reporter asked him if anyone witnessed the infliction of the wound "x" side of her face or observed it.

For me, it doesn't matter. This is just one of many assaults the ObamaNazis have carried out. Well-documented as the New York and Georgia assault and kidnapping were, neither got reported by the "journalists." This won't make the national news either, unless they badger her into saying it's a hoax, whether it is or isn't.

As these propagandists have done before, I'm sure Pittsburgh's Obama fascists will give out her home address.

Posted by: Democrats are Nazis at October 23, 2008 09:03 PM (tWGBg)

199 Buck (#173),
I actually traced a B on my cheek when I first heard about this... and I did it on my right cheek without thinking. I bet most people would put their right hand to their right cheek. I suspect you are the odd ball, what with your right hand crossing over to your left cheek.

However, I did notice that there would be deeper pressure on my cheeks at certain points when tracing the letter. I can't tell if those line up with her B. A closer pic of her face should probably reveal the authorship of the B. A right hander attacking her upside down would have a different pressure distribution than she would have - if she did it herself. Sort of like how you can figure out if the artist behind a painting was right or left handed by looking at the way the curves are drawn.

This mystery will be solved.

Posted by: wooga at October 23, 2008 09:03 PM (t9sT5)

200 Holy shit, Ms. Cox is all over this story - seems Ms. Todd has already made a video accusing a "mean (big black) janitor" of tearing up her signs.

Check it out: http://wonkette.com/

Video of Ashley talking about all she's doing for McCain:

http://tinyurl.com/6ea3qz

Here's her video of the mean black janitor who tore up all of her signs at Queens College:

http://tinyurl.com/4hncu3

Posted by: icus at October 23, 2008 09:03 PM (FOt5Z)

201 Magic "Diderot's" Dog--back away from the cock. Get that cock out of your mouth. Drop those cocks from your hands. And for Pete's sake, get that cock out of your ass.

Posted by: nikkolai at October 23, 2008 09:06 PM (G8d+5)

202 My call: Magic Dog is that pud Frito. Same 'Look at me, LOOK AT ME!' modus operandi.

He's posted under the names Thing and An Observer.

Posted by: Thomas E. Dewey '48 at October 23, 2008 09:08 PM (s+2rG)

203 Holy shit, Ms. Cox is all over this story - seems Ms. Todd has already
made a video accusing a "mean (big black) janitor" of tearing up her
signs.Check it out: http://wonkette.com/

Did Ana Marie manage to work butt sex into the article? If not, she's slipping.

Anyway, good to see people leaping to debunk fictitious attack stories. Millions of dollars in bogus political contributions..............eh, not so much!

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at October 23, 2008 09:08 PM (kKgTD)

204 Let's see. Which wingnuts fell for the scam?

The McCain-Palin campaign
Drudge
Ace of Spades
Townhall
Little Green Footballs
Free Republic
Gateway Pundit
Wake Up America
Jawa Report
Don Surber
The Corner
Outside the Beltway
Wizbang
American Power
Riehl World View
Fausta'a Blog

The above should serve as a good list of the wingiest of the wingnuts.

All of it sort of reminds me of another wingnut cause celebre, that of the closeted, friendless young gay College Republican who fabricated the vicious assault at Princeton. What I don't remember is whether he blamed it on a big black guy too.

http://tinyurl.com/6k498u

Wait, wasn't that the Republican politician? Well of course, but which one? Bob Allen, that was his name how easy to is to forget. So many men, so little time when you're a Republican.

http://tinyurl.com/2u584k

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 09:09 PM (DMHwf)

205 Not only did Palin call her but she spoke with McCain as well. As Atlas asks, when will Obama and Biden call her?

Again, who knows if its true; have to wait on the police.

Palin's live on H&C. It'll be interesting to see if this comes up.

Posted by: Swegin at October 23, 2008 09:10 PM (q0Z3p)

206 It looks too, nicely done. He kicked and beat her, then, he took his time, to gently and precisely, to carve a "B" in her face? Well, we will see.


Posted by: Susie at October 23, 2008 09:12 PM (K3ojL)

207 Not only did Palin call her but she spoke with McCain as well. As Atlas asks, when will Obama and Biden call her?


Has she heard from her brother, Joe the Plumber, yet?


Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 09:13 PM (DMHwf)

208 Magic Dog,

You know, I've read several of those blogs and the ones I've read all seem to contain appropriate skepticism. So, please explain in more detail what you mean when you say "fell for the scam," since it's not the commonly-accepted definition you're using.

Posted by: Olaf Krell at October 23, 2008 09:14 PM (fL104)

209 I once teabagged barack hussein obama..

Posted by: icus at October 23, 2008 09:15 PM (xO/lB)

210 I'm calling bullshit on this.

I just read her Twitter page, and there are a couple of pre-incident entries to the effect:

OMG! I'm in a really bad part of Pittsburgh!!

Now I'm looking around for an ATM!!

OMG I hope nobody mugs me for my McCain bumper sticker!!

Gentlemen, what we have here is a white Young Republican Tawana Brawley. Sorry if you don't like it, and flame away. I think my conservative bona fides speak for themselves, but I am willing to bet this is a hoax by a seriously disturbed girl.

If I'm wrong I will apologize abjectly. But my BS radar is pinging very, very loudly.

Posted by: Iowahawk at October 23, 2008 09:16 PM (veL4N)

211 I find anyone who actually uses Twitter is generally disturbed.

Posted by: obscenely fat sweaty he-bitch AKA ClassicCon at October 23, 2008 09:18 PM (NT91M)

212 And she just laid there upside down without fighting? The picture being flipped or taken in a mirror is at least somewhat plausible, but unless she's a quadriplegic, this explanation is kind of ridiculous.

Posted by: Howard at October 23, 2008 09:19 PM (EO2h7)

213 You know, I've read several of those blogs and the ones I've read all
seem to contain appropriate skepticism. So, please explain in more
detail what you mean when you say "fell for the scam," since it's not
the commonly-accepted definition you're using.


Sure, Olaf, just like when Daily Kos expressed appropriate skepticism about the conspiracy theories surrounding the birth of Sarah Palin's kid, Trigg. And I'm sure that when they did so, you and the Ace of Spades website leapt to their defense and praised the Daily Kos for the way in which it batted down that horrible rumor.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 09:20 PM (DMHwf)

214 Iowahawk,

Yeah that's what I thought too when I read:

"Stubbornly searching for a bank of america to avoid ATM fees."

and

"Pretty sure I'm on the wrong side of pittsburgh",

Although I saw nothing like:

"OMG I hope nobody mugs me for my McCain bumper sticker"

But, yeah, it seems probably a hoax.

Posted by: Olaf Krell at October 23, 2008 09:22 PM (fL104)

215 My guess is this story will only get media attention if it's a fraud. And they will play up the whole race issue. If it's not a hoax then no one will care to report it.

Posted by: spypeach at October 23, 2008 09:23 PM (QwWKI)

216 So, when the hoax is confirmed, will the wingnutosphere tell us which freeway evangelical megachurch the young fabricator attends? This one has James Dobson written all over it.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 09:23 PM (DMHwf)

217 My guess is this story will only get media attention if it's a fraud.
And they will play up the whole race issue. If it's not a hoax then no
one will care to report it.

You know, wingnuts are even cuter when they play the victim card.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 09:24 PM (DMHwf)

218 This one has James Dobson written all over it.

That doesn't even make sense.

Posted by: toby928 at October 23, 2008 09:25 PM (PD1tk)

219 Wow Magic Dog that was so original, did you think of that all by yourself?

Posted by: spypeach at October 23, 2008 09:25 PM (QwWKI)

220 Farrakhan's or Wright's?

Posted by: POTL at October 23, 2008 09:25 PM (mD4t/)

221 Does anyone really think there would be anyone wondering if it was a hoax if it had happened to an Obama supporters? I am really uncomfortable with attacking the victim before we know all the facts. there are conflicting reports of there actually being ATM video and I for one would like to wait until we know wha happened before we savage her.

Posted by: Destini at October 23, 2008 09:26 PM (duUdu)

222 Maybe Pfleger's church...

Posted by: POTL at October 23, 2008 09:28 PM (mD4t/)

223 Maybe if we ignore the Dog it will go away...this one and the other one.

Posted by: Swegin at October 23, 2008 09:28 PM (q0Z3p)

224 Magic Dog,

"Blah blah blah, Daily Kos, blah blah blah"

Who's talking about "Daily Kos"? You listed some blogs and made a claim. I asked you to back it up. Now you're talking about Daily Kos and Sarah Palin, commentary which seems more at home in another thread. But wait! You addressed me by name! So I know you were at least attempting to respond to my question. I think the kids these days call this an "epic fail." OK, so then: back to the topic at hand, at one remove.

Q: (Olaf Krell): "...explain in more detail what you mean when you say "fell for the scam...""

A: (Magic Dog): ...

The dreaded "three dots"! Don't leave me hanging.

Posted by: Olaf Krell at October 23, 2008 09:30 PM (fL104)

225 This does not make a lot of sense.
First of all, if a knife was involved there would be either puctures of the skin, OR significant scuffs/marks on the side of her head from the attacker locking her head in.
When you have a knife or other object being forced on your head, you don't just lay there, you freak out and panic.
The black/blue under her eyes, that would be puffy by the time it's black and blue. Note that above the eye everything is OK. What a weird punch.

Posted by: Hans Meiser at October 23, 2008 09:33 PM (RI4nl)

226 181 Yeah, because a mugger - even a politically-motivated one - would hold down someone long enough to lightly scratch a perfectly-formed capital B instead of the more obivious, not to mention simple, O.
Criminals do crimes. Theyaren'tall artistically inclined or are deep political thinkers. These sharks are dangerous and not that politically-minded.
However when class warfare/victim mentality and lies toldby their demigodObama is stirring our election -it equalsspillingchum in the waters.
I find this to be dangerous times. I'm alarmed and truly worried.

Posted by: Mainstreet at October 23, 2008 09:34 PM (XWJh5)

227 Gettin' way too trolly in here.

Obscenely fat sweaty he-bitch, for how much longer do you have to serve penance? Every time I read your handle I vomit a little in my mouth.

Posted by: Milesdei at October 23, 2008 09:34 PM (ACHxk)

228 Hey Jim62sch: my condolences to you that Krauthammer is telling the truth. I know how bad you and McCain need him to lie. Oh well, maybe in '12. (I know, facts suck sometimes. Like the fact that words like "Socialist" have actual meanings. And that Clinton-level progressive tax rates weren't/aren't socialism, just like Bush having the govt take over the banks isn't capitalism. And the fact that McCain also supports progressive taxation. Sorry to blow your mind, brah.)

Posted by: trevor tb at October 23, 2008 09:35 PM (QhovN)

229 In support of the "cut from above" hypothesis (as in the photo above), I'd point out that her shiner is in the LEFT eye, suggesting a RIGHT-HANDED assailant. Still...

Posted by: SB at October 23, 2008 09:37 PM (tR0up)

230 I just read her Twitter page, and there are a couple of pre-incident entries to the effect:
OMG! I'm in a really bad part of Pittsburgh!!Now I'm looking around for an ATM!!
Hey, Iowahawk, how'd you get a look at her twitter page? When I checked a while ago it had been made private. And who has time to text about being in a bad area when they're in a bad area? I'd be focused on getting the hell out of there.
And let this be a lesson for everyone: do not make your facebook or twitter pages public unless you intend to be a public figure. Plus can someone explain the benefit of twitter to me?Why shouldI care when friends go to the grocery store?

Posted by: Mtenloch at October 23, 2008 09:38 PM (Js8cd)

231 trevor tb,

"progressive taxation"

Yes "progressive taxation" is not socialism by most definitions. It would seem to reason then that people calling Obama's tax plan "socialist" are not talking about "progressive taxation." I won't belabor the point, as you seem a clever fellow. What do you suppose people saying "socialist" are referring to (since we're already ruled out "progressive taxation.")

Posted by: Olaf Krell at October 23, 2008 09:39 PM (fL104)

232 Mtenloch

I got to her twitter page through the link on Ed Driscoll's blog.

Posted by: Olaf Krell at October 23, 2008 09:40 PM (fL104)

233 If I was in Pittsburgh, I'd message people to let them know where I was, too. Cities are sewers, and the people in them are usually either floating filth, or morons for living there.

If it does turn out to be a hoax, it's McCain's own fault for not TRUMPETING the very real outrages committed by the Democrat Nazis.

Obama kidnaps a mentally-challenged man and forces him to vote for him. Crickets.

Obama beats up an old woman for the "crime" of carrying a McCain sign. Nada.

Obama offers free pizza for stolen McCain signs. Not a word on network TV.

Obama commits voter fraud on a massive scale. Nothing.

Cue the whiny, spoiled, little left-wing fascists. "You can't say Obama did that!"

You don't hold your people accountable, and you don't make a distinction when it comes to ours, so why should we, you slimy HYPOCRITICAL FILTH!?

With seven years of yours LIES and VENOMOUS HATRED, you have put both sides us in a place where the Right is justified in ANYTHING it does to stop Nazis like you.

Posted by: Democrats are Nazis at October 23, 2008 09:48 PM (tWGBg)

234 This is a lot like the Baby Trig story. Kos took it up on a Friday, and 24 hours later they had batted it down. But that didn't keep the wingnutosphere from crying crocodile tears, so on Sunday the McCain campaign made an issue of the whole thing in the MSM. Obama issued a statement saying that none of it came from them, and that anyone in his campaign caught talking about Palin's family would be fired.

Which only made the wingnuts go crazier, so for a week or 10 days the needle moved upward for them. You know, the sympathy vote, etc.

With this one, the lie originated from a young McCain operative, and the candidates themselves became involved. It exploited racial issues in general, and in particular the political wrangling over racial issues in Western Pennsylvania, a focal point of the McCain campaign.

The MSM had a field day with the Palin baby story, and the manufactured wingnut outrage over it. So, let's see whether the MSM will have a field day with this incendiary, gutless and ugly lie that originated in the McCain campaign.


Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 09:51 PM (DMHwf)

235 Here's another Occam's razor moment.Assume for a moment that 90%-95% of people are right-handed (for the record I'm in the lefty minority). A right handed attacker would go after the left cheek. A right-handed self-inflictor would go after the right cheek.

Re the upside-down hypothesis: an attacker who wanted to get leverage would be on top of the torso, face to face. How could anybody not thrash their way out of being held down by the head?

Speaking of thrashing, if someone was holding you down to cut you cheek (let's say it was with car keys, not a knife), you'd be thrashing like a mofo to get out of it, making it near impossible for the attacker to make a nice, even depth, backwards B.

My hypothesis: the black eye was from some other incident (who knows), the "B" was self inflicted. Until the ATM cameras prove me wrong, I say this (along with the Twitter page) points 100% to a hoax.

Posted by: Iowahawk at October 23, 2008 09:52 PM (veL4N)

236 Interestingly enough, we are 12 days from the election. I wonder how many news cycles will be occupied by the McCain campaign's vicious attempt to whip up racist reaction in Western Pennsylvania. I'd say it's worth at least a weekend, wouldn't you? Live by the sword, die by the sword, wingnuts.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 09:53 PM (DMHwf)

237 >> If it does turn out to be a hoax, it's McCain's own fault for not TRUMPETING the very real outrages committed by the Democrat Nazis.

Yeah, go with that, it ought to work.

Posted by: Inspector Morse at October 23, 2008 09:54 PM (1zt0i)

238 My hypothesis: the black eye was from some other incident

That's what I think, too. Someone should find the boyfriend. I can see it now: "Officer, you don't know the half of it!"

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 09:54 PM (DMHwf)

239 Magic Dog,

"This is a lot like the Baby Trig story. Kos took it up on a Friday, and 24 hours later they had batted it down."

Cite, please.

Also, as it seems you had no taste for defending your earlier assertion, I suppose we can consider it withdrawn?

Posted by: Olaf Krell at October 23, 2008 09:55 PM (fL104)

240 The tide turned pretty quick on this one, didn't it?

Posted by: icus at October 23, 2008 09:58 PM (FOt5Z)

241 The tide turned pretty quick on this one, didn't it?

Meh, so far a wash. Proper skeptism voiced by the host, victim reviled from the left, supported from the right, and everybody waits for the followup. Seems pretty normal.

Posted by: toby928 at October 23, 2008 10:01 PM (PD1tk)

242 icus,

"The tide turned pretty quick on this one, didn't it?"

Isn't that the way it's supposed to go? Should the tide *not* turn quickly if there's evidence in favor of that? Didn't the "tide turn" quickly when that fellow in Arkansas got shot and it was later determined to be apolitical?

Posted by: Olaf Krell at October 23, 2008 10:03 PM (fL104)

243
I just read her Twitter page, and there are a couple of pre-incident entries to the effect:

OMG! I'm in a really bad part of Pittsburgh!!

Now I'm looking around for an ATM!!


She was right about that that is THUGS/GANGVILLE

Posted by: PaRep at October 23, 2008 10:13 PM (dWdDN)

244 This is a lot like the Baby Trig story. Kos took it up on a Friday, and 24 hours later they had batted it down.
Then could you please fuckinginform Andrew Sullivan --- he is still stalking Trig Palin in a blog post TODAY. Sorry, no link per the Ace moratorium.

Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at October 23, 2008 10:14 PM (uOvAE)

245 What's gonna be her campaign name?

Ashley the Masochist?
Ashley the Liar?
Bea?

Posted by: sonny at October 23, 2008 10:19 PM (670We)

246 Cite, please.

Do your own research. I remember it very well, though, because I debated that one at the time. Not on Kos but elsewhere. I thought that Trig was Sarah's kid and that those who were saying otherwise were relying on a long and highly implausible set of circumstances. I admit, though, that the story of the premature birth was pretty strange. I still think it's strange, but my conclusion is that it was the 1 in the 1 in a million.

What I thought was a whole lot more fun was The National Enquirer's coverage of the ins and outs of the Palin family. That side of things, plus the CBS interviews, hurt her very badly. And I did absolutely nothing but laugh my ass off. I love the tabloids, and that includes when Bill Clinton was busted. My favorite was the cigar.

The only negative thing I have to say is that the Republicans shouldn't have impeached him over it. I think it's virtually a duty to lie about sex, and the tabloids find out differently then your job is to laugh it off and keep denying. You know, like Larry Craig and his inconvenient urge to have sex with men in airport bathrooms. "I'm not gay" ranks right up there with, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

So, the coverage of Sarah's affair, of her oldest kids' carousing, of the bastard grandchild, and all the rest? Priceless. Couldn't happen to a lovelier Christian woman!

You don't hold your people accountable, and you don't make a
distinction when it comes to ours, so why should we, you slimy
HYPOCRITICAL FILTH!?

It doesn't matter what you do. Actually, it does. I know that, in your world, the rules apply to everyone but yourselves. I expect that of you, sort of like I expect Third World countries to use torture. You have no universal standard of truth or conduct. But the public sometimes does, or at least it does this year, so you'll be hammered. And the more in character you are, the worse it will be for you.
The tide turned pretty quick on this one, didn't it?

I am waiting to see what the MSM does with this when the hoax is officially revealed. I think it ought to be a story for a couple of days. What the Democrats lack these days is the equivalent of the right-wing outrage machine. We need to build ourselves one of them things!

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 10:22 PM (DMHwf)

247 Then could you please fuckinginform Andrew Sullivan

I thought he was one of yours. Besidfes, who knows, maybe there'll be something in Sarah's medical records that will vindicate him. Although I have to say I'd be really surprised.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 10:23 PM (DMHwf)

248 The ATM camera should tell the story. If she's unmarked at 8:50pm, then it is more likely true. If not, it should be easy to spot, unless she's a professional make-up artist.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 23, 2008 10:24 PM (GlrN/)

249 I thought he was one of yours.

LOL

Posted by: toby928 at October 23, 2008 10:24 PM (PD1tk)

250 "OMG I hope nobody mugs me for my McCain bumper sticker"

Pretty sure that one is a joke embellishment of someone following the story.

Without video, I'm a doubter.

Posted by: SarahW at October 23, 2008 10:25 PM (7sl9X)

251 I don't think it's hoax at at all. Darken the levels in photoshop and you can see where there is bruising and swelling the flash washed out. Much more bruising on the other check.

And there s a line on top of the B that underlines it (if one were writing a B) it looks like a faint line (like a hair) but blown up it clearly looks like a scratch with redness around it. and there is a bruise to the upper left just above the line of the B towards the ear.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 23, 2008 10:28 PM (eQwUw)

252 Magic Dog,

"Do your own research..."

I hope you'll understand if I don't decide to provide evidence for your own claims for you. I also hope you'll understand if I decline to think "I remember it very well..." provides much. Failure to support a claim with evidence means you'll need to withdraw that one as well. Strike two.

Posted by: Olaf Krell at October 23, 2008 10:32 PM (fL104)

253 257, magic mutt
You have no universal standard of truth or conduct. But the public
sometimes does, or at least it does this year, so you'll be hammered.
And the more in character you are, the worse it will be for you.

Do you have any attachment to reality-that is to say do you know any conservatives? The whole post-modern no-universal-truth is liberal bullshit. It's the justification for your empty headed "tolerance," as well as the failed academic efforts at revisionist history (such as denying Jesus' existence, or claiming that FDR's policies were good for the economy, or the fact that the Democrats have always been the party of slavery).

Posted by: Methos at October 23, 2008 10:32 PM (QHtlg)

254 And I know ace would prefer that we avoid religious arguments, so let me specify that I meant Jesus as a historic figure without assertion one way or the other of divinity.

Sorry, ace.

Posted by: Methos at October 23, 2008 10:36 PM (QHtlg)

255 Idiots, the cops said it was on the RIGHT side, and that means this was a mirrir or flipped shot. No mystery, regular B.

How much would you struggle with a 6'4" brother pointing a knife at your face, troll faggots?


Posted by: moronizer at October 23, 2008 10:43 PM (Bex31)

256 Virtually a duty to lie about sex? So you support perjury, then? Because that's why he was impeached.

Doesn't matter if you lied about eating the last cookie in court, if you lie under oath its perjury.

Posted by: Amy at October 23, 2008 10:44 PM (U0dI+)

257 I maintain my skepticism.

Carving symbols into flesh is for Satanists and hoaxsters.

HEY LOOK AT ME, I'M COVERED WITH SYMBOLS!!! I HAVE NO IDENTITY OF MY OWN SO I'M PUTTING SOMETHING ELSE ONTO ME.

That's what it means. It's sad. It's usually fake. There's a chance this is real . . . but I'm not holding my breath.

Whoever carved her up did a nice job. It's a very smooth, even cut, not too deep. That's not easy to do while you're struggling with a person. This invisible black man mugger must be extremely skilled with a blade.

Posted by: Unfounded Speculation at October 23, 2008 10:45 PM (YvLui)

258 moronizer, the backward B is shown on her right cheek in the photo

Posted by: toby928 at October 23, 2008 10:47 PM (PD1tk)

259 Still feels fake to me.

Posted by: krakatoa at October 23, 2008 10:52 PM (n4Su9)

260 I hope you'll understand if I don't decide to provide evidence for your
own claims for you. I also hope you'll understand if I decline to think
"I remember it very well..." provides much. Failure to support a claim
with evidence means you'll need to withdraw that one as well. Strike
two.

Look, if you want to hang onto your wingnut illusions, fine. I could assemble the evidence, but what's the point? It would take a lot of time, and being a wingnut, you're not someone who is reachable through fact. So, if you want to bluster and say it's not so, knock yourself out. I bet you're also one of those people who thinks the IBD/TIPP poll showing the race at 1% is for real.

Do you have any attachment to reality-that is to say do you know any
conservatives?

Yeah, in fact I do. They exist, and when I find them we typically get along pretty well. They are appalled at what the Republicans have become. There aren't too many conservatives among today's right wingers.

The whole post-modern no-universal-truth is liberal
bullshit.

The big revelation for me was during the '90s, when step by step it became clear to me that the right wing holds no universal truths whatsoever. While not agreeing with them, until Gingrich I had given them grudging credit for having some principles. No longer. It's all about power for your kind, which translates into money at the top, and cultural resentment everywhere else.

It's the justification for your empty headed "tolerance," as
well as the failed academic efforts at revisionist history (such as
denying Jesus' existence, or claiming that FDR's policies were good for
the economy, or the fact that the Democrats have always been the party
of slavery).

Yawn ...

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 10:54 PM (DMHwf)

261 The bottom loop of a "B" is larger than the top loop. This is not true in the inverted picture. The "B" is a mirror image not inverted. My pocket knife would not leave a consistent scratch. One part of the letter would end up deeper than another as the direction of motion changed. A sharp point such as a nail could be uniform but the report said knife. It would also be difficult to leave such a nice rounded "B" with a knife. Just look at initials carved in wood. The strokes leave the the curves as connected line segments that are not smooth. Hoax.

Posted by: snookered at October 23, 2008 10:56 PM (h3PdB)

262 Uh-oh, Michelle Malkin is saying it's fake. I'd better re-think this. Between Malkin, Laura Ingraham (sp?), and Ann Coulter(geist), you've got the outer solar system covered. Maybe there's something to the young girl's tale.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 23, 2008 10:59 PM (DMHwf)

263 It's being reported that she was only in Pittsburgh a week. That's not a lot of time to get someone to punch you for your hoax.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 23, 2008 11:00 PM (eQwUw)

264 meanwhile:

On Oct. 6, the community organizing group Acorn and an affiliated charity called Project Vote announced with jubilation that they had registered 1.3 million new voters. But it turns out the claim was a wild exaggeration, and the real number of newly registered voters nationwide is closer to 450,000, Project Votes executive director, Michael Slater, said in an interview.

The remainder are registered voters who were changing their address and roughly 400,000 that were rejected by election officials for a variety of reasons, including duplicate registrations, incomplete forms and fraudulent submissions from low-paid field workers trying to please their supervisors, Mr. Slater acknowledged.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 23, 2008 11:03 PM (eQwUw)

265 If someone did this by holding her down with his left arm while writing with his right hand (which seems about the worst way to hold someone down--in fact, I've never seen anyone hold anyone down this way, and my boyfriend is a wrestler), the B should be slanted in the opposite direction. It's slanted in the same direction as it would be if she had written it herself. She refused medical attention. Her skin was somehow not broken (did he use a butter knife, or was he just a kind and gentle mugger/mutilator/hate-crime-committer?). None of this caught on the ATM video (or apparently seen by anyone nearby). Anyone want to make a bet about how this will turn out?

Posted by: steph siler at October 23, 2008 11:03 PM (eNRRj)

266 This blog is rapidly evolving into a rightwing hate site.

It could work!

Posted by: joe the plumber at October 23, 2008 11:08 PM (WAbNV)

267
Uh-oh, Michelle Malkin is saying it's fake.


Michelle Malkin says a lot of things. Bunch of people here don't read her anymore. Now, if you'll excuse me, I must boycott someone wearing a paisley scarf...

Posted by: POTL at October 23, 2008 11:18 PM (mD4t/)

268 Gee, Magic Dick, if this is a fraudulent claim, it reminds me more of this.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 23, 2008 11:18 PM (GGy7k)

269 271 Magic Dog
The big revelation for me was during the '90s, when step by step it
became clear to me that the right wing holds no universal truths
whatsoever. While not agreeing with them, until Gingrich I had given
them grudging credit for having some principles. No longer. It's all
about power for your kind, which translates into money at the top, and
cultural resentment everywhere else.

Okay, just for fun, I'll skip the part where I point out what an ass you've made of yourself. Instead, let me ask what 'universal truths' you think you have access to. Perhaps define what you think 'universal' means while you're at it.

Posted by: Methos at October 23, 2008 11:20 PM (QHtlg)

270 Magic Dog,

"Look, if you want to hang onto your wingnut illusions, fine. I could assemble the evidence, but what's the point? It would take a lot of time, and being a wingnut, you're not someone who is reachable through fact."

I see that nobody ever instructed you on the rules of rational argumentation. I'll spare you some suspense by telling you forthrightly that the foregoing is not an example of it. As far as my "illusions" are concerned, I'll assure you that I have none as far as the subject at hand is concerned. You put forth an assertion of questionable provenance, and, being a curious fellow, I asked for the supporting evidence. Imagine my disappointment when it became clear that none was forthcoming.

Indeed, your strong desire to talk to me about polls, Larry Craig, President Clinton, the National Enquirer--anything but the subject at hand--is a strong indication of a weak argument. Your resort to name-calling ("wingnut") and accusations of "delusion" further weaken your case. All I lacked was a little enlightenment as to the source of your claim that Daily Kos repudiated all claims of Trig Palin's changeling birth 24 hours after they were first presented. You declined to enlighten me, and therefore forfeit the argument.

As to the matter of whether the blogs you listed "fell for" something, I'm not even asking you to raise a pinky finger to do any pesky research. I only want to know what definition of that phrase you're using, as it does not seem to comport with the commonly accepted one. Your repeated refusal to tell me has led me to suspect that you were hasty in your pronouncements and did not duly consider the meanings of all the words you said. Another forfeit!

Now I suspect you'll want to have the last word on the matter, so please do disgorge the contents of your vocabulary at me. Do try to come up with something better than "wingnut", however, or the other commenters will begin to question your prodigious intellect. But by all means, on the other hand, if you do have enlightenment to bestow on me, I would gladly accept it, lest I continue in my benighted "wingnut illusions."

Posted by: Olaf Krell at October 23, 2008 11:21 PM (fL104)

271 Hey Magic Dog: Please go fuck yourself. The vast majority of the people here have expressed skepticism about this story. This isn't some plant by the McCain campaign.If this isn't true, this is a disturbed supporter. There's been no major media on this story. Of course, if it was reversed, it would be the lead story on network news.
And unlike left wing nuts like yourself who believed, and continue to believe nearly 20 years later, Tawana Brawley...it took a few hours for our side to express skepticism.
Now, let's talk about your scum-sucking fuckhead candidate if you'd like. I'll just give one example you piece of shit:He flat out lied at the last debate when he said that someone at a McCain rally yelled, "Kill 'em" ata rally. The Secret Service had already toldObama that wasn't true. They even went on record saying they were upset that he said at the debatewhen he knew it wasn't true. But hey, he's the ONE, right? Who cares about the truth you fucking asshole?
I'm touched by your concernaboutcampaign finance laws...I guess you haven't read the other threads today about the Obama campaign's flagrant disregard for verifying legitimate donations? I'm sure it was just an oversight on their part....nothing deliberate. HOPE AND CHANGE!

Posted by: MSM at October 23, 2008 11:26 PM (4DoFz)

272

"This blog is rapidly evolving into a rightwing hate site."

And it wasn't before? thanks for that.

Now, if it were to get as bad as say, The Atlantic, then I would suspect Ace would get worried.

Posted by: Senator Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller at October 23, 2008 11:34 PM (vFeQi)

273 If we type "Kill the Jews Zionists", will it make you guys feel more at home like at your Leftist blogs hate sites?

Posted by: andycanuck at October 23, 2008 11:50 PM (GGy7k)

274 Wait, I will make them more comfortable:

This blog is run by RICH WHITE PEOPLE! Ace invented AIDS to kill off black hobos!

Posted by: Rev. Wright at October 23, 2008 11:57 PM (mD4t/)

275 Sorry if I turned it into a "right wing hate site". It's tough not to when notwhen a dickhead like "Magic Dog" appears. I welcome legitimate, civil liberal/progressive argumentation.Despite "Magic Dog", there are plenty of smart, polite liberals out there who want to debate ideas. Just not him.
A legitimate progressive/liberal could appear here, express their skepticism about this story, and why, and ask people to consider it. That's not what Magic Dog has done. (And this mythic polite liberal would have a lot of people agreeing with him/her on this site...as you can see.)
I'd likechallenge progressives who are so sure this is a hoax and are so outraged about even citing this story.
Here's my challenge: Go to an African-American Pro-Obamasite and leave a comment about how Tawana Brawley was a hoax. See what happens. I'm curioius if you'll see even remotely the variety of skeptics you've seen here. I bet not. And remmber,Tawana Brawely made her allegations in 1987. I'm sure you'll correct them when they say she told the truth.

Posted by: MSM at October 24, 2008 12:07 AM (4DoFz)

276 Probably already commented on above, but here's my 2 cents:
With right arm, put woman in headlock. With your left hand write the B on her right cheek. You would start closest to her nose with the straight part of the B, and finish closest to her ear with the curved part. When she stands up, not only is the B backawards, it is upside down...

Posted by: JB at October 24, 2008 12:18 AM (CUf6H)

277 Hey Magic Dog: Please go fuck yourself.

No, I think that's going to be something you'll want to do sometime on November 5th after you realize the full extent of your crushing defeat.

If this isn't true, this is a
disturbed supporter.

This is what wingnuts will always say when it's one of theirs. You see, when the McCain campaign invents lies to stir up racial animosity for political gain, the right wing cheers them on.

There's been no major media on this story.

Not yet, but if and when the police officially declare it a hoax I hope that will change.
Of course, if it was reversed, it would be the lead story on network news.

Would you like some cheese with that whine? It's funny to watch the Republicans prattle on about "personal responsibility," while evading any responsibility whatsoever for their mistakes and misdeeds.,

unlike left wing nuts like yourself who believed, and continue to believe nearly 20 years later, Tawana Brawley

I have written in this thread that I didn't believe Braley or the shyster who spread her lies, Al Sharpton. Yet, you continue to accuse me of exactly the opposite. Tell me something: Are you a "bible believing Republican Christian," too, or do you just lie like one?

He flat out lied at the last debate when he said that someone at a McCain rally yelled, "Kill 'em" ata rally.

From the video clips I've seen of the racist Republicans who are the backbone of McCain and Palin rallies, I believe that it was said. The Secret Service's alleged inability to confim the reports is meaningless. If I were Obama, I'd be careful to supplement my Secret Service detail with a real security force that shares my goal of staying alive.

I'm touched by your concernaboutcampaign finance laws.

Ever the wingnut, you can't even tell the truth about that. The law directly forbids the use of campaign money to buy clothing for the candidates. But something so trivial as "the law" never mattered to a wingnut.

You put forth an assertion of questionable provenance, and, being a
curious fellow, I asked for the supporting evidence. Imagine my
disappointment when it became clear that none was forthcoming.

Do your own research, wingnut.

I lacked a little enlightenment as to the source of your claim that
Daily Kos repudiated all claims of Trig Palin's changeling birth 24
hours after they were first presented.

Why are you wingnuts so lazy?

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 24, 2008 12:26 AM (DMHwf)

278 Sorry if I turned it into a "right wing hate site"

This website has been a hate site since the day it went into business. Same goes for:

The McCain-Palin campaign
Drudge
Ace of Spades
Townhall
Little Green Footballs
Free Republic
Gateway Pundit
Wake Up America
Jawa Report
Don Surber
The Corner
Outside the Beltway
Wizbang
American Power
Riehl World View
Fausta'a Blog

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 24, 2008 12:28 AM (DMHwf)

279 A legitimate progressive/liberal could appear here, express their
skepticism about this story, and why, and ask people to consider it.
That's not what Magic Dog has done. (And this mythic polite liberal
would have a lot of people agreeing with him/her on this site...as you
can see.)

The hoax originated with the McCain campaign and was spread by the right wing hate sites. When it was too ludicrous even for them, they got worried and started trying to cover their tracks. After all, the false allegation of a racial hate crime, aided and abetted by the McCain campaign and its Internet amen chorus, has gotten some attention.

You can't put the genie back into the bottle, wingnuts. This one is all yours, and you're about to be nailed to the cross for it.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 24, 2008 12:31 AM (DMHwf)

280 With right arm, put woman in headlock...

Stop. Stop posting. Stop and think. But mainly just stop.

Posted by: Kilo at October 24, 2008 12:33 AM (uVNS1)

281 By the way, Ace, if you're thinking of playing your usual trick of altering my postings or deleting them, I thought I'd let you know that I've saved the original pages and will be happy to publish, side by side with the revisions, to show how the wingnut fringe operates.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 24, 2008 12:37 AM (DMHwf)

282 Some bloggers are getting a little concerned that the right blogosphere is going nuts. Hat tip to, yes, LGF - one of the "hate sites" aforementioned.
There are only so many times we can step out on that limb before it breaks.
I wish we had observed the 24 Hour Rule

Posted by: David Ross at October 24, 2008 12:40 AM (ZdGUk)

283 WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! WINGNUT!! & WINGNUT!!

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 24, 2008 12:46 AM (VdTDr)

284 I will suck the cocks of every one of you if you promise to vote for Obama.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 24, 2008 12:48 AM (VdTDr)

285 290 292, BWAHAHAHA, dude, seriously get a fuckin life. Have you put a copy of your numerous ranting bullshit conspiracy posts in a safe deposit box too? Just in case something happens...

Posted by: POTL at October 24, 2008 12:49 AM (mD4t/)

286 Ok...I give up Magic Dog. You've refuted all my points. (The rest of you can read my post and his and decide for yourself). I give up.

Posted by: MSM at October 24, 2008 01:01 AM (4DoFz)

287 You people really hate being called wingnuts, don't you?

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 24, 2008 01:08 AM (DMHwf)

288 Are you going to attempt a citizen's arrest of Ace?

Posted by: POTL at October 24, 2008 01:18 AM (mD4t/)

289 I wish we had observed the 24 Hour Rule

You probably should have followed your own advice, that appears to be a liberal satire blog, not a conservative blog. Just in case you don't know who the real Jonathan Swift is, here's his wiki. Note the description in the first sentence.

Posted by: koopy at October 24, 2008 01:18 AM (bL4cA)

290 So the Secret Service wants to kill Obama but for some reason didn't do it 6 months ago so Obama should hire his own, loyal security?
Don't tell me, they're waiting for after he wins the election because arranging the "accident" or allowing their guard "to fall" will have so much less affect on the country then than having done it 6 months ago when he was just getting started.
No, Magic Dick, you must be right--the SS (and aren't those initials interesting, sorry, veeeery interesting) want the civil war to start so that the SS can seize power and run the country as the new nobility without having to worry about the Democrat-run Congress or President Biden and VP Clinton getting in the way. The perfect crime.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 24, 2008 01:25 AM (GGy7k)

291 I know! His private guard regiment can be called the Obama Youth Junior Fraternity Regiment. (I'd suggest keen brown shirts as a uniform.)

Posted by: andycanuck at October 24, 2008 01:50 AM (GGy7k)

292 So the Secret Service wants to kill Obama but for some reason didn't do
it 6 months ago so Obama should hire his own, loyal security?

Who knows that Obama hasn't already done so? Last winter, the Dallas police reported that the Secret Service ordered them to stop screening for weapons at an Obama rally. In July, his airplane had to make a sudden emergency landing. If I were Obama, I would not be relying solely on any government agency to insure my longevity.

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 24, 2008 01:57 AM (DMHwf)

293 http://tinyurl.com/34zz5n



http://tinyurl.com/56do4p

Posted by: Magic Dog at October 24, 2008 01:58 AM (DMHwf)

294 What does that have to do with the SS not topping Obama a long time ago when there'd have been less scrutiny and public repercussions?
But thanks for genuinely crossing over into "faked moon landings" country for any future readers of this thread, even years from now. And don't forget to save a screencap of you not answering my sarcastic but valid point above when you made a false allegation against the Secret Service. Maybe that'll become part of the hysterical record too.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 24, 2008 03:10 AM (GGy7k)

295 I think it's pretty simple. The perp carved her face with a B and she took the picture of herself in the mirror since maybe no one was there to take it for her. It's done all the time on MySpace, Facebook, YouTube etc..


Posted by: Tennessean at October 24, 2008 03:22 AM (A/Bni)

296 No way this was taken in a mirror - look at the reflections on her face eyes - the flash was directly in front of her.

Posted by: jesus pixie at October 24, 2008 06:16 AM (nZfUC)

297 Click on the link provided!

Does that "B" look like something an angry, vicious 6'4" mugger carved
on someone's face last night with a knife? Why is the "B" backward? How
did the mugger get Todd to remain still long enough to delicately
scratch a nicely formed, well-curved "B" onto her face? Why aren't
Todd's "black eyes" still red and swollen?

Why did Todd drive 12
miles into an unfamiliar section of a big city to find an ATM? Why was
she conveniently twittering about looking for ATMs in her car right
before the "attack"?

Why did Todd refuse treatment on the night
of the "attack"? Why did she instead quickly forward news of the
"attack" and a photo of her "injuries" to her right wing blogger pals?

Where are the other witnesses to the "attack"? Where is the security camera footage of the "attack"?

Why
did the alleged attacker follow her back to her car after she gave him
her money? If he wanted something from her car, why didn't he just
demand her keys? If Todd's McCain bumper sticker enraged her attacker
so much that he beat her and then somehow forced her sit still long
enough to delicately and lightly scratch a well-formed "B" onto her
face, why didn't he damage her car, take her car, take her keys, take
her wallet, take her credit cards or even take her Blackberry? Why
didn't he force her to get more money out of her ATM or give him her
ATM code and card if he had enough time to continue assaulting her
without any witnesses around and enough power over her to carefully
mark her with his knife without her struggling?

Where is the
police artist sketch of the at large suspect? If this "attack" were
real, wouldn't the victim's primary focus be on locking up the
dangerous, violent criminal who violated her before he viciously maims
more innocent victims rather than spreading the news of the bizarre
McCain/Obama angle of the "attack" as far and wide as possible?

Bottom line:

Todd
is a College Republican volunteer for the McCain campaign who came all
the way from "safe" Texas to try to turn the tide for McCain in swing
PA.

If Todd's story is real, there is a bizarre, dangerous,
violent, dyslexic 6'4" black Baracko with an Obama fetish and a small
dull knife roaming the streets of Pittsburgh's Little Italy robbing
innocent ATM customers and chomping at the bit to delicately trace the
mark of Baracko onto the faces of poor unsuspecting McCain supporters.

If Todd's story is fake, she's an amateur hour Rove with the average freeper's stilted and racially fevered imagination.

Which is more likely?

Posted by: stickdog at October 24, 2008 06:29 AM (9ow/s)

298 Her MySpace quote sums it up:

"Lying is the most fun a girl can have without taking her cloths off, but its better if you do."

Posted by: Topal at October 24, 2008 07:31 AM (nZfUC)

299 This post has been deleted for language too disgusting even for this site.

Posted by: emPulse at October 24, 2008 07:50 AM (K0NM+)

300 oh yeah. fake b!tch is fake.

Posted by: emPulse at October 24, 2008 07:51 AM (K0NM+)

301 "Several inconsistencies" have emerged in the statements made by a John McCain volunteer who claims she was robbed at knife point in Pittsburgh by an attacker who cut a "B" into her face after noticing a McCain bumper sticker on her car.
Pittsburgh police spokeswoman Diane Richard told FOXNews.com on Friday that Ashley Todd, 20, says she was groped by a robber and lost consciousness during Wednesday's alleged assault at an ATM. She didn't initially report those details, Richard said.
As for the wound on her cheek, "it's very shallow, it's more of a scratch," Richard said.
Todd took a polygraph test late Thursday or early Friday after police discovered the inconsistencies, Richard said.The investigation is ongoing. Richard said Todd is still being considered the "victim"of an assault.
Police are reviewing surveillance footage and searching for witnesses.
After a second interview by police, Todd is not as definitive about the assault, or the motives behind it, Richard said. She's also not sure if the robber took $60 from her as she initially reported but maintains it's missing, Richard said.

Posted by: pajama momma at October 24, 2008 10:03 AM (f3xJa)

302 See not all (or hardly any really) Lefty's are sissy politically correct granola eating douches. Some of us are aweful MF'ers who don't take one bit o'shit off of rightwing blowhards and shitbags

riiiiiight

Posted by: pajama momma at October 24, 2008 10:07 AM (f3xJa)

303 Oh, snap.

Posted by: Junk at October 24, 2008 10:08 AM (jXcEJ)

304 Greatest Ace thread ever--a fine presentiment for the shape of things to come.

You're going totally native, ace. The only route left in the dark forest of your ideology. But refinement is needed. "Liberal" is too abstract. How 'bout this:

MEXICANS!!

Posted by: joe the plumber at October 24, 2008 10:12 AM (WAbNV)

305 You can't hold someone down effectively while above their head like that. It's totally unnatural. And if that was taken in a mirror, the background should be bright, due to the flash you can see reflected on her cheek. It's too perfect a scratch and too perfect a story. They're giving this lady a polygraph test because they don't quite believe her.

It's possible that she's telling the truth, but I'm going to reserve judgment.

Posted by: Joe at October 24, 2008 10:52 AM (TH2Xx)

306 koopy, I'm aware of what that site is. Just because it comes from a leftist doesn't mean that it's only read by leftists.

Posted by: David Ross at October 24, 2008 11:27 AM (GwV+j)

307 Idiots, the cops said it was on the RIGHT side, and that means this was a mirrir or flipped shot. No mystery, regular B. - moronizer

Is that you, Ashley? Yes, the cops said wound was on the right side of face, and the photo shows.... backwards B on right side of face. But Ashley/moronizer still doesn't get how when you're looking at an person facing you, your left is their right and vice versa! The image is not flipped, moron(izer)!

Posted by: hitpoints at October 24, 2008 11:58 AM (dury1)

308 Ace, no one that I know accused Cops of being intelligent, you are proving it with your inane comments. Maybe you are like Joe the plumber, you are Ace the "cop". Not really. LOL

Posted by: Jay Kenney at October 24, 2008 12:06 PM (rJqNW)

309 All you hilarious people who have your personal theories about how a mugger could hold her to cut an upside down B need to read WHAT SHE SAID to the police:

"You are going to be a Barack supporter," she recalled the robber
saying before he sat on her chest, pinning both her hands down with his
knees and scratched the letter "B" on the right side of her face using
what she believed to be a very dull knife. Then the robber fled, she
said in the police report.

Source: foxnews, bringing truth to the world.

Also, as of today, her story has changed. She's now saying it was her McCain pin that drove the attacker wild with anger, and that she lost consciousness and that she was sexually assaulted too. Just magnifies the trouble she's going to be in for crying wolf.

So let up with all the crap about this being upside down. Your best apologetic explanation is dyslexia.

Posted by: theory at October 24, 2008 12:28 PM (km05Q)

310 Also for the crazies, the Pittsburgh police have checked the video from the ATM.

She did not actually use the ATM and was not present there at the time of the attack.

She is more and more exposed now as a liar, a bad one, and hasn't the faintest clue about the functioning of things like mirrors, and ATMs I guess.

You people who supported this rather unintelligent hoaxter are going to end up looking even more stupid then she is.


Posted by: theory at October 24, 2008 12:33 PM (km05Q)

311 You people who supported this rather unintelligent hoaxter are going to end up looking even more stupid then she is.

Meh, at worst, charitable.

Posted by: toby928 at October 24, 2008 12:41 PM (PD1tk)

312 BTW linkfollowers, the discussion continues here

Posted by: toby928 at October 24, 2008 12:43 PM (PD1tk)

313 Hey Ace! Watch out for that rake!!!

(thwap!)

....nevermind.

Posted by: Michael at October 24, 2008 02:26 PM (YRF0k)

314 Oh, no! More Campus Republicans in action making false attack claims. And these ones are religious, too.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 24, 2008 02:57 PM (GGy7k)

315 brother link trolls, consolidate your victory dance here

Posted by: I have no idea where the main page is at October 24, 2008 04:48 PM (PD1tk)

316 I take the greatest satisfaction in imagining all of your Rightard faces as you finally heard the news that she's a lousy liar. Say it with me: "President Obama", once more (you'll get used to it) "President Obama"

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No, not backwards, just lopsided. Most people make a capital "B" with both humps of equal size, or with the bottom hump smaller. In this case it's larger. Besides, the right's answer to Crystal Mangum never even claimed that the phony assailant had her upside down; you just made that up after the fact. Last and least, even if the nonexistent assailant really had pinned her upside-down, it might have occurred to him that she was ... um, how do I put this delicately... UPSIDE FUCKING DOWN?????!!!!!!!

Now that she's admitted to the hoax, it's clear that the skeptics were right. The dumbass bitch carved a B in her own face while looking into a mirror.

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318 Epic fail.

Nice try explaining it, though. Have a nice day!

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319 Now that she's admitted to the hoax, it's clear that the skeptics were right.
Like all of the critics here in comments sections and Ace saying 'let's let the cops do their job before coming down one way or another'? Like that?
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