Obama Campaign Finance Fraud Gains Traction
UPDATE: MEDIA REFUSING TO REPORT, INSISTS CONTRIBUTIONS ARE REAL-- DESPITE OCT. 9 NYT REPORT NOTING FICTITIOUS CONTRIBUTORS
Bumped; Sticky. Will remain top story for an hour. Updates linked at post's end. Fresh posts follow this one.
Rebumped.
Having worked for companies that process credit cards online, it is necessary to go through and manually disable the safeguards that they put in place to verify a person's address and zip code with the cardholder's bank. But international banks don't currently have the same safeguards that banks in the US have, which also works in the One's favor. So most likely they've disabled the necessary safeguards for US cards which their merchant bank would be angry about if they found out since it exposes them to risk, as well as international cards which is an even greater risk because there's no way to verify the information electronically for most countries, so they could just say they're in the US with phony info and the card will still process online. The One could then just claim that they said they were from America. Senator Clinton's website worked with a reputable company that had the same safeguards in place for her online donations, seems like someone just doesn't like to play by the rules that credit card companies have put in place.What if, for some kooky reason, their off the rack software didn't have this most basic check available?
They could easily do that through the coding on their website, and an organization like a campaign would have the resources to do it. If I had to guess, it would probably cost 200-400 dollars to get a programmer to add that functionality to a payment gateway if their system didn't have that in place already. But then you can't have someone donating millions of dollars in 100 dollar increments under different names, and we can't have that now can we?Huusker explains the system that Obama disabled. Intentionally.
It's called the Address Verification System (AVS). When you submit a credit card to the processor for authorization you get back one of four responses: zipcode match, address match, both match, or neither match. AVS is automatic and can't be turned off. You can, however, override it in special circumstances. It looks like Obama's web site has the AVS-override turned on permanently.Is there any legitimate reason to do this? No.
Visa/MC banks hate it when merchants blow off AVS, as it increases the risk of chargebacks (which are a hassle/expense for the bank to handle). Consequently they demand a much higher discount rate to take cards with AVS-overrides. If a merchant's chargeback rate goes above 1% the banks will wallop the merchant with research fees. Merchants with high chargeback rates (like porn sites) can end up paying hundreds of thousands of dollars in extra monthly fees in order to be able to continue to accept cards, on top of huge discounts on each transaction.But Obama isn't getting many complaints -- because those donating illegally are of course winking coconspirators in the scam. They're certainly not demanding the banks reimburse them -- so no one is the wiser. Oldowan tests:
I was just sitting here reading ace after dinner when I came across this article. I kinda got ticked-off and related the contents to Mrs.Oldowan (Dem, MA). Politics are a touchy issue here on the border, but this was just the end after a day hearing about our dear governor's gift of $35K of tax money to ACORN and the justice dept leaning on our sec'y of state for not sending ballots to our soldiers abroad since 2002. [Good luck finding THOSE stories in the Boston Globe tomorrow...]. Anyway, I'd had enough and read the article to my better half. She, rather wisely, replied : "According to whom? How do you know that's actually true?" "Excellent question." I said, "Let's find out." $50 bucks later (to obama [and I only meant to risk $25 {I figure, the rhetorical worth of the fact is worth the fraction of the $$$ this guy is going to cost me in the long run}], and $0 TO McCain, who refused to process this bogus contribution), Mr. Henry Reardon of 7 Wyatt Drive, Galts Gulch, CO, 88888 has learned who he can and cannot contribute to, as long as he insists on using oldowan's credit card to pay for it. I got screen shots of the whole set of transactions. Full descriptions with pics go to every news organ tomorrow. Mrs. Oldowan (IND, MA [soon?]) and I will be wathching for a response. I cannot BELIEVE that nobody cares about this bull-bleep. The Mencken quote at the top of the banner is making my blood pump. It's time to do something. I hope it's not too late....Another test:
Frankly, its easier than I'd believe to do this. Courtesy of my (real) CC number and expiration date, the Obama campaign has just received a $19.45 donation from mister Adolf Hitler, whose occupation is "Dictator" at the company "National Socialist Party of Ger" (I got cut off). I captured screenshots to prove this. No verification required. The listed address wasn't even close to my real address. While I hate to think I'm giving any money at all to these bastards, its worth it to prove once and for all that they are engaged in fraud. I will verify whether my card gets charged and report back. molemanI say again: Try entering false addresses when ordering a $10 DVD from Amazon. You will get rejected. And yet Barack Obama has overridden this basic security feature in order to allow the world to donate to him, and to rack up millions and millions in illegal over-the-limit donations. Where. Is. The Fucking. Cocksucking. Media.
The hell with the media -- Where is the fucking Attorney General? More: Who is John Galt? Screenshots of the crime in progress. Plus, the RNC files a fresh FEC complaint. Did Obama turn the security measures back on? Some say yes, but Flip Pidot says no. Violation of Law: Until recently, The Criminal One didn't bother asking for proof of US citizenship (or even a swearing of US citizenship) from overseas donors. Hillary and McCain did, of course. Because they were interested in following the law. Obama wasn't. He didn't even bother alerting foreign nationals that it was illegal for them to contribute. Wink. TIP: From an anonymous source with very good access to what's going on -- The media refuses to do anything with this, because, despite all the reports of "Good Will" and "asdf" and other clearly fake names such previously donating tens of thousands of dollars to the campaign, they refuse to acknowledge that any of these donations are fraudulent in the first place. So getting to the second point -- that Obama's site has been deliberately crippled to switch off the most basic address verification check -- is impossible. They insist this is all on the level and each and every one of Obama's donors is real. Including Good Will (occupation: Loving You), asdf, Mickey Mouse, and now John Galt, Hank Rearden, Nodda Realperson, and Adolf Hitler. Despite the fact that this has all already been exposed -- by no lesser Obama Campaign Organ than the New York Times. Thanks to Dan Riehl for that. Overseas Donations Go Through Without a Glitch, But For the Love of Mary Stop Giving This Criminal Money: At Hot Air:
I have a credit card issued by a bank in Hong Kong. Ive just made 5 donations of $5 each using the card. I listed fake addresses in North Korea, Iran, Gaza, Venezuela and Kenya. The names and addresses were made up, each was different, I listed real Yahoo email addresses that forward to me. Fake NameThanks to TopSecretK9.
Not A. Realperson
Finance Violation
Fraudulent Charge
Over Donation Limit All 5 went through without a problem. Im already being solicited for more money.
Comments
Posted by: Al at October 23, 2008 01:18 PM (Lk931)
Where.
Is.
The Fucking.
Cocksucking.
Media.
Sucking cock. At a minimum fantasizing about fellatio.
Posted by: Steve the Pirate at October 23, 2008 01:19 PM (W54Uh)
Posted by: MSM at October 23, 2008 01:19 PM (R8+nJ)
Posted by: jason at October 23, 2008 01:21 PM (K0h/W)
Posted by: Editor at October 23, 2008 01:21 PM (GTpOW)
Its over Ace - the good old US of A, bought and paid for by a two bit hustlin community organizer.
The bright spot is that Obama and Co. won't allow any more national elections in the future, so at least we won't have to worry about campaign fruad.
Posted by: blogRot at October 23, 2008 01:22 PM (EKMxC)
Posted by: right at October 23, 2008 01:23 PM (pMGkg)
Posted by: Thomas E. Dewey '48 at October 23, 2008 01:23 PM (s+2rG)
Posted by: nikkolai at October 23, 2008 01:24 PM (3KW6/)
Posted by: MSM at October 23, 2008 01:24 PM (4DoFz)
it's shocking that you think it's shocking that media has not checked it out..
Posted by: Dave C at October 23, 2008 01:25 PM (9hRhw)
I didn't even think about the pre-paid card thing. This is just. If a Republican did this, there would be calls for immediate prosecution. As well there should be.
Posted by: alexthechick at October 23, 2008 01:26 PM (SHHaV)
For what? Dems will gain seats, if not have a fillibuster-proof majority.
Posted by: Benson at October 23, 2008 01:26 PM (qzcNU)
Posted by: Dusty at October 23, 2008 01:28 PM (Mlw0p)
If obama does manage to steal this election, I am going to make my own ODS bumper stickers like these http://tinyurl.com/5ds8by http://tinyurl.com/5o4kbd
Posted by: Ginger(KCLady) at October 23, 2008 01:29 PM (a4nO6)
They have pulled out all the stops for stealing this election.
Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2008 01:29 PM (b1ysY)
http://tinyurl.com/5wrrms
Once again we've been handed a media/Democratic myth that new voters would flock to the polls for Obama. Just like they would for Kerry.
Also, likely voter poll is 50-46.
11 days left. If this thing can get near even in the polls (and dismiss those asinine Wisconsin state polls that came out showing Obama with a 12 point lead in Ohio) by next weekend, things will look good.
Posted by: Jay at October 23, 2008 01:30 PM (efvZp)
Posted by: AndrewL at October 23, 2008 01:30 PM (cM+f0)
Posted by: Ginger(KCLady) at October 23, 2008 01:31 PM (a4nO6)
Obambi's going to free us from the those honk racist rules and laws and such.
Fucking cocksucker.
Posted by: Dash Rendar at October 23, 2008 01:31 PM (/TEUM)
Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at October 23, 2008 01:32 PM (UHPcb)
Posted by: Stan at October 23, 2008 01:33 PM (JpdRM)
Posted by: Rocks at October 23, 2008 01:34 PM (Q1lie)
such a system allows the Obama campaign to reject a tiny fraction of fraudulent donations, and thus claim "we tried," while letting the vast majority go through.
They didn't try. If they had the simple automated Address Verification System on, all of these would be rejected.
But they don't want them rejected. They want the world to donate, and they want to evade the campaign finance laws by letting rich backers donate tens of thousands -- perhaps hundreds of thousands -- by making a series of $200 unverified donations.
Posted by: ace at October 23, 2008 01:34 PM (1WR4H)
Posted by: apotheosis at October 23, 2008 01:34 PM (xWk3U)
Posted by: Barack Obama at October 23, 2008 01:35 PM (Sb3sK)
When McCain talked of Senator Government's fraudulent finances on fox sunday it sent out shock waves. I spoke to a teacher who is terrified and thinks he is funded by foriegn dictators and is collecting illegal money. She does not surf the web either.
I know we think Ayers is not getting through. It is. Think fox reports on it daily. They have way more viewers than any of the other networks. And McCain forced the other news channels to cover it anyhow.
This teacher told me that the weather underground is behind obama. That is just from her wathcing the news.
I hope Senator Government can get nailed before the election.
I have no clue why you speak of impeachment.
He is going to lose. The average person, this from being a volunteer and talking to folks. Are creeped out by Barrack H. Obama. THey do not know who he is. How he came to rise to power on nothing of accomplishment. Or why he has so many nutcase mentors.
In PA, the wright issue is unneeded. We bared witness to it all. Ayer, Wright, and bitter-cling-gate.
Average poeple know enough between the Hillar and Mccain campaigns that he makes poeple really nervous and uncertain.
If this money issue blows up, he is toast. They can print all the polls they want. Ayers,Wright,ACORN,Phleager,Rezko, and illegal funds. Americans in the moderate left to the center over on to the right have no faith in Senator G-ment.
Posted by: ppp at October 23, 2008 01:36 PM (zzms8)
Posted by: hutch1200 at October 23, 2008 01:36 PM (v/jNA)
And STOP giving the One money -- but to check the transaction for verification. That will be a key point in showing this Fraud in the making.
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 23, 2008 01:38 PM (WEWeH)
Posted by: IC at October 23, 2008 01:38 PM (jZNCU)
Twitter is taking any 'tweet' (entry) with Obama, McCain, Biden, Palin and throwing it through the ringer. If they see other phrases repeat, that's how it gets to the hot topics.
Posted by: Jay at October 23, 2008 01:39 PM (efvZp)
I've never heard of pre-paid credit cards before.
Posted by: Thomas E. Dewey '48 at October 23, 2008 01:39 PM (s+2rG)
Posted by: Keith Olbermann at October 23, 2008 01:40 PM (kFwRi)
Someone who's already donated, log into your online banking/credit card site and see what it says.
There's some question over at Hot Air about whether the Obama site might be saying "Approved!" before the actual transaction goes through.
Well. That's easily tested. (But don't send this terroristophile more money, even if you're putting "Sirhan Sirhan" as the donor.)
Posted by: Al at October 23, 2008 01:41 PM (Lk931)
I can't remember where I read it yesterday...hopefully someone else saw it and can quote/link...I'll try to find it.
Some of the phony names had phony STATES. Every time you order something, you choose from a list of states; you can't just enter any two letters. So this is the one web site that lets you do that? He's moved from flipping off Hillary to flipping off us all.
Posted by: MamaAJ at October 23, 2008 01:41 PM (X6Zdh)
Posted by: Lickmuffin at October 23, 2008 01:42 PM (UhcQ0)
actually the AVS system is not really a part of the website's coding, it could probably be manipulated somewhat via PHP, but really its merely a check box in Authorize.net, or whomever their online processor is. Mine happens to be authorize.net. MAYBE with some php tricks in your own coding you can manipulate something, but i just don't see how. it has to be set via authorize (or again, whomever their processor is) in your merchant settings. period.
with php you can VERIFY the data being collected, make the zipcode being submitted actually conform to a set pattern, and set it to ABSOLUELY reject any zip that doesn't match the US pattern, even reject outright false zipcodes that flat out don't exist. but you couldn't in your own software or own code, make sure that it matched the billing address of the card, that's a merchant processor thing and you have to KNOWINGLY disable that feature.
Posted by: metroscap at October 23, 2008 01:43 PM (K0h/W)
This is what happens when you become "Pussified". Oooh, Ann Coulter is mean. Oooh, I met get called a racist. Oooh, what will the media say?
President Bush should be sicking the dogs on these cheating suckers of cock.
Instead we get crickets.
Posted by: Russell Ziskey at October 23, 2008 01:44 PM (LlaBi)
Ace,
They will justify this the same way they are justifying the voter fraud, as a way of reaching out to people with unconventional addresses, etc., and the media waill care exactly as much as they do about the voter fraud.
Posted by: Deuce Geary at October 23, 2008 01:45 PM (rZoaz)
And do what with them?
The Republicans didn't do what we wanted them to do when they had the power, we are headed to a period with absolutley ZERO say in anything, so drawing up impeachment papers is kind of funny.
Be clear on one thing, if the socialist wins, everything it took to win will be instantly wiped clean, if they actually get a filibuster proof Congress then the fun really begins.
Some may say that this would be a good thing because when they totally muck up everything they touch then the American people will, given our constitutional rights...vote the bums out.
Of course the socialists have been relentless in destroying our constitution and when it comes time to vote them out....what makes you think we will be able to?
Posted by: Drider at October 23, 2008 01:45 PM (lwt+p)
All along, the media story has been about how Obama is outpacing McCain in campaign fundraising, and they've just left open the "why." Of course it's because Obama is the hopey-changey candidate who is all wonderful and stuff, so of course everyone wants to give him money. This after years and years of whining over Republicans' "deep pockets" and all the little old ladies who wrote checks because Rush Limbaugh told them to.
Not one of them has questioned where Obama's millions are pouring in from. They make a half-assed attempt, see that the documentation is long, boring and incomplete, and they drop it.
Posted by: Brewdog at October 23, 2008 01:47 PM (jg+Fr)
Via Hot Air:
Update: Reader Dale in Atlanta says he tried it with a fake name and the transaction showed up on his credit card immediately but marked pending. Well find out later today if it clears.
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 23, 2008 01:48 PM (WEWeH)
Posted by: GoldwaterGirl at October 23, 2008 01:48 PM (WXLRq)
Posted by: JimK at October 23, 2008 01:49 PM (KNIPq)
What happened? I mean seriously, amnesty, the bailout, the voter fraud, the foreign donations, the cheating in the caucuses, the whole Obama may not even be a citizen thing - how did we come to this?
Posted by: Ella at October 23, 2008 01:50 PM (jeP9I)
its not that the donations are being made from false or invalid credit card numbers, its that they've disabled the AVS. By disabling the AVS the data submitted doesn't have to match the card number. for the transaction to be approved it HAS to be a valid and real credit card. But what they've done is not require that the data (name, address, city, state, zip) match the credit card. The ONLY reason to do this is if you want to process transactions from visitors you know (or suspect) would be using prepaid credit cards, like the type you can buy at any walmart, target, grocery store. AND any place overseas. Its not so much about being able to allow transactions from stolen credit card numbers as much as it is about allowing donations from credit card numbers that are REAL and VALID but have no data (name, address, city, state, zip) associated with them.
Posted by: metroscap at October 23, 2008 01:50 PM (K0h/W)
The new politics of Hope and Change. This is the Change we've been waiting for. True reform. Truly a world president.
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at October 23, 2008 01:51 PM (lhxhu)
Posted by: IC at October 23, 2008 01:51 PM (jZNCU)
What's to stop the obamabots from entering random card numbers (maybe change a digit or two from a legit card) and using fake names and addresses. Some of those random numbers will be legit and their owners charged. At this point the cardholders probably won't notice until after the election.
As far as I know, I believe that's been happening. Michelle Malkin has done a few stories on just that thing. Obama is evil, through and through. When you look at him from any angle, there is nothing above board about his presidential campaign AT ALL.
He LIES.
He's DECEPTIVE.
He commits FRAUD.
He takes ILLEGAL CONTRIBUTIONS.
What a proud moment for our country if this shitbag gets elected.....
Posted by: Twinks at October 23, 2008 01:51 PM (7QUxD)
Pending has nothing to do with the Obama campaign.
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 23, 2008 01:53 PM (WEWeH)
Posted by: Barack Obama at October 23, 2008 01:54 PM (sMqat)
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3ANYT
Price down to a ball-dippingly low $9.54
McClatchy is falling even faster, percentagewise.
Posted by: AmishDude at October 23, 2008 01:55 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: M R at October 23, 2008 01:57 PM (RfZk6)
Hell, all you Leftist contributors to The Big Zero! should do the same after he loses the election, since you didn't get the presidency you bought and paid for.
Posted by: Raoul Ortega at October 23, 2008 01:57 PM (jO77p)
Meanwhile, has anyone called the US Attorney's office for Chicago, yet?
Posted by: Phineas at October 23, 2008 01:57 PM (mT12M)
Non-story.
Posted by: gh at October 23, 2008 01:58 PM (EhUaQ)
Posted by: SarahW at October 23, 2008 01:58 PM (7sl9X)
President Bush should be sicking the dogs on these cheating suckers of cock.
OMG Bush is going to keep the election from happening!!!!1!!
Someone should start getting statements (as in press releases, not bills) from the credit card companies. Maybe they'll throw him under the bus, if they aren't complicit.
Posted by: MamaAJ at October 23, 2008 01:59 PM (X6Zdh)
We already know about that fraud in KC. The question is, how many already exist and why aren't some of the credit card companies making a bigger deal out of it?
KC couple credit card fraud for Obama
NORTH KANSAS CITY, MO. -- A North Kansas City couple has been left scratching their heads after they became the victims of a political scam.
Steve and Rachel Larman say a strange credit card charge appeared on their statement this month -- a $2300 donation to Barack Obama's presidential campaign.[that is the maximum donation for an individual] The Larman's say they don't want this to be about their political affiliation, but they say they're not about to give the Obama campaign any help from their pocketbook.
They said they notified Chase, their credit card bank, to report the fraud.
"(They) said that they had seen-they were familiar with this," said Steve Larman. "It was fraud, they believe through telemarketing but they were going to be doing some more investigations."
The Larman's don't want their politics to enter into what is essentially just a fraudulent charge. But they say that the charge involves the Obama campaign adds insult to injury for the registered Republicans.
"They (Chase) kept on asking me 'are you sure you wouldnt have gone to a site in support of Obama'," said Rachel Larman. "And I repeatedly said 'Im voting for McCain - I would not be going to an Obama site'."
Chase dropped the charge from the Larman's card. The couple is thankful thay they caught the charge on the card, but worried that others may not see that type of fraud on their own credit cards before it's too late.
Of course, the credit card companies aren't going to report this as a major problem to the general public because the lack of security would reflect on them instead of the campaign or the criminals.
But, I think this really is the tip of the ice berg and somebody ought to come clean about it.
Posted by: kat-missouri at October 23, 2008 02:00 PM (YLs4U)
Timmerman, in Newsmax yesterday:
"Five major companies process the bulk of all credit card transactions made in the United States, industry insiders tell Newsmax. The Obama campaign paid one of them, Chase Paymentech, just over $2 million to process its online transactions.
“We never discuss our relationships with any of our merchants, or customers we work with,” James Wester, a spokesman for Chase Paymentech, told Newsmax.
Newsmax asked whether Chase Paymentech had any security feature that would allow it to identify individuals making contributions using gift cards, but Wester declined to comment.
But other industry analysts, who asked not to be identified by name because of the sensitive nature of the issue, told Newsmax that processors could track gift cards and debit cards “only by the numbers on the cards.”
“There are no names associated with these cards, so as a processor, you have no way of knowing who made the transaction,” one industry analyst said."
Posted by: JBean at October 23, 2008 02:01 PM (kpeMt)
Posted by: angler at October 23, 2008 02:01 PM (kSuu1)
Posted by: seyont at October 23, 2008 02:01 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: pforeman at October 23, 2008 02:01 PM (S7Xpi)
Allah posted this from an email:
I recently set up credit card processing for my startup company and the way it works is the vender (ie me, or Obamas campaign) selects whether the info must match what is on the card. If they opt not to they accept the risk of being flagged after too many fradulent charges are reported by them to the credit card companies.
Wonder what usually happens when a business is "flagged"? What actions have the credit card companies taken?
[crickets]
Posted by: MamaAJ at October 23, 2008 02:04 PM (X6Zdh)
Posted by: scottw at October 23, 2008 02:06 PM (fECU4)
It will cost Obama additional money.
Posted by: Greg Q at October 23, 2008 02:06 PM (87k2j)
Posted by: Dave C at October 23, 2008 02:07 PM (9hRhw)
he probably learned these techniques from the Nigerian internet scammers.
Once I got a Western Union money order from "George Bush" and some made up address in Canada, to be shipped to Nigeria. for some junk watches I was selling on ebay. I never mailed or cashed, probably still have somewhere.
Posted by: jp at October 23, 2008 02:07 PM (DFDtC)
I still want to know what would stop whomever does the information checks for the false addresses from just changing the number after it was rejected the first time to something else, like a pre-paid visa card given by a wealthy donor? As long as it's under $200, who would know? If you had 1 $200 prepaid card, you could make 13 $15 payments - attach them to 1 name/address (real or fake), take use the rest of the card for a burger as a reward, and be under the FEC limit.
Those of you who put in the fake information would either get your card refunded, or it would never process under this scenario. But the Obama team (or anyone, really) could use the address information to its advantage if it's never checked.
Posted by: Sean at October 23, 2008 02:08 PM (tqHDd)
Posted by: incognito at October 23, 2008 02:08 PM (Rpam5)
Posted by: MamaAJ at October 23, 2008 02:09 PM (X6Zdh)
I am going to go try to figure out how to sign up and work twitter (much as I hate the thought) bc I want to make this get traction....I want to see burn out marks all up and down The Rotten One's Campaign.
We can NOT let him get in the White House, and we can NOT let the DEM get majority...they will completely over-run our country. The evidence is more powerful and more clear everyday.
Vote! Talk to people, donate, get your signs up!
Posted by: freetofly at October 23, 2008 02:11 PM (9GyBb)
Posted by: John Galt at October 23, 2008 02:11 PM (SDkq3)
If you've made a YouTube of this, post a link here, and email Ace. We've got two weeks, let's get this out!
Posted by: Greg Q at October 23, 2008 02:13 PM (87k2j)
Posted by: jp at October 23, 2008 02:14 PM (DFDtC)
Impeaching Obama if he wins will not do the job because the Democrats will have the power as result of the election. And who really wants the gaffe-ster Biden as our president?
Posted by: kim in vancouver at October 23, 2008 02:16 PM (qYk+w)
A question for you "good at the internet" guys:
If someone was to look into this and the electronic donation records, would it show the IP addresses of the donors and, more importantly, the location of the IP? Would this be a way to show illegal foreign donors?
Posted by: Countrysquire at October 23, 2008 02:17 PM (e910j)
If this gets traction, I suspect it will go as far as whichever team setup and maintained the donation system. Obama will say something about how he's sad his supporters went so far as to break the law to help elect someone they obviously believed in very much. Same as ACORN, or the mob. Plausible deniability by separation between the work team and the directors.
Of course Obama can't be bothered to return the money. He doesn't know to whom the money belongs! Since the money can't be returned, it might as well be put to a good use. Good use like electing the One.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 23, 2008 02:17 PM (jvG2F)
Posted by: JinnyB at October 23, 2008 02:18 PM (UYmdr)
"Newsmax asked whether Chase Paymentech had any security feature that would allow it to identify individuals making contributions using gift cards, but Wester declined to comment."
Wester declined to comment because there is ABSOLUELY NO WAY to know who made the contrib via gift card because no personal information is required to be associated with the gift card. THE ONLY possible thing to do, would be to get the IP address of each transaction, reverse look-up who hosted that IP address, then from the hosting provider match the MAC address assigned to that IP, and that would give you the who, of the transaction, but there's no way to do that thru merchant processing
Posted by: jason at October 23, 2008 02:20 PM (K0h/W)
Barack Obama Raised 150 Million Dollars in September (picture of Obama, perhps from Barackopolis)
x% of it was from Small Donations
Or was it?
The Obama Campaign has blocked credit card fraud prevention
Anyone can donate up to $200 with any credit card, with no verifitcation (Picture of George Soros in the background? Mickey Mouse?)
They can even use your credit card. [New screen?] Just ask [names of people who's money's been stolen for the Obama Campaign]
Obama's campaign had to work hard to make this fraud possible
Go to Obama campaign stops, and ask him why he is cheating like this, and when he's going to reveal the names of all of his "small donors"
Don't let Obama steal the election
Fight Fraud Fight Obama
This message has been brought to you by Americans against campaign fraud
Posted by: Greg Q at October 23, 2008 02:24 PM (87k2j)
To really catch this tiger you have to get evidence of someone in the campaign coaching ACORN volunteers to game the lenient donation checking system. Alternatively, someone giving orders to an IT dude to turn off AVS. Then you hurdle the cell of IT worker dudes who set up the system for cheating.
Posted by: bonhomme at October 23, 2008 02:24 PM (jvG2F)
As for the credit card companies and their stake in this election....Isn't Biden known as their best buddy.
I think he tried passing some bill on how credit card debts couldn't be included as a write off in bankruptcies or some such nonsense.
Posted by: Drider at October 23, 2008 02:25 PM (lwt+p)
Posted by: yomomma at October 23, 2008 02:28 PM (dwWnk)
Of course not, and that's why I don't know of any online merchant who accepts them, because the normal security features require a matching name and address. But because they're untraceable, they're tailor-made for campaign fraud.
Posted by: JBean at October 23, 2008 02:35 PM (kpeMt)
Get real, Ace.
If the AG (or a US District Attorney) were to announce an investigation into the Obama campaign online financial contributions fraud issue, there would be a circus in the media.
Not about the fraud.
About how the evvvvvvvvil Rethuglicans are trying to smear Bambi in the last days of the campaign.
And we know how The One would ride that issue all the way to November 4th. You'd have about as much thoughtful commentary in the MSM on the perils of online campaign contributions as they've given you on the mortgage securities mess.
Yup, that bad.
That's why the AG hasn't moved. And won't.
McCain/Palin is on its own here.
Posted by: Steve White at October 23, 2008 02:37 PM (D14J4)
Look at the bright side - if Barack is only half this unscrupulous in pursuing America's interests as its President, we're going to kick ass on just about everyone.
Why is everyone laughing? Did I say something funny?
Posted by: Phil Smith at October 23, 2008 02:38 PM (n+cpx)
authorize.net will. or at least did. i know every year (i haven't looked this year) around christmas time i get an email asking me to log in and review my AVS settings incase i have customers wanting to order online with a visa/mastercard/discover/amex gift card they may have received.
Posted by: metroscap at October 23, 2008 02:40 PM (K0h/W)
Where are the screenshots on this?
I would like to push this to my local fishwrap.
I think everyone here should.
C'mon people stop bitching about the robbery in progress on message boards and TAKE ACTION. Only you can make a difference.
Posted by: Old Texas Turkey at October 23, 2008 02:43 PM (r/CWb)
Posted by: liz at October 23, 2008 02:44 PM (lbZkj)
Posted by: David at October 23, 2008 02:44 PM (NgoAe)
Posted by: Fish at October 23, 2008 02:44 PM (6Rihj)
Posted by: liz at October 23, 2008 02:44 PM (lbZkj)
Steve and Rachel Larman say a strange credit card charge appeared on their statement this month -- a $2300 donation to Barack Obama's presidential campaign.[...]The Larman's say they don't want this to be about their political affiliation, but they say they're not about to give the Obama campaign any help from their pocketbook.
Well that's all very well, of course, but I think the more important question is whether the Larmans have paid their taxes.
/msm
Posted by: apotheosis at October 23, 2008 02:49 PM (xWk3U)
What's the point of even funding an FEC - they don't function for the purpose they were put in place,
Unbelievable.
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 23, 2008 02:51 PM (eQwUw)
Posted by: icemike at October 23, 2008 02:52 PM (BqEeV)
For example, let's say that SorosBank is the merchant bank handling Obama's transactions.
A fraudulent transaction occurs -- as many have -- and the merchant bank has to make good on the difference. If the merchant bank intends to funnel money to the Obama campaign, then fraud becomes a feature not a bug. Every fraudulent transaction is refunded to the person whose card is used improperly -- yet the "merchant bank" does not demand the money back from the Obama Campaign. The "merchant bank" permissively allows the Obama campaign to benefit from fraud -- namely, the frauds that are caught. The ones that aren't caught are just garden-variety fraud.
SorosBank just takes more money out of the pile that says FROM FOREIGN DONORS and pays the Obama Campaign for every fraudulent donation. If it's caught, then so be it, SorosBank refunds the cardholder but either way the Obama Campaign gets the cash value of the donation, even if it came from Malaysia or Indonesia or Saudi Arabia or France, for that matter. As long as the foreign money is washed through a front credit-card processor, it's basically untraceable. All that's required is a credit-card processor willing to "lose" to the Obama campaign.
Any of you credit card people know if this sounds like a doable thing?
Posted by: Darren at October 23, 2008 02:52 PM (YhsMj)
Posted by: TBRSteve at October 23, 2008 02:53 PM (bt3om)
Posted by: Montjoie at October 23, 2008 02:54 PM (fBBXE)
Posted by: Satan's Barbed Cock at October 23, 2008 02:54 PM (1hM1d)
Posted by: Old People at October 23, 2008 02:55 PM (waaUg)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 23, 2008 02:55 PM (eQwUw)
Posted by: Young People at October 23, 2008 02:55 PM (waaUg)
A good line for Palin? "Where do you get all that money, Mr. Obama?"
Posted by: Stinky Esposito at October 23, 2008 02:55 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Dumb People at October 23, 2008 02:55 PM (waaUg)
Crickets
Posted by: Black People at October 23, 2008 02:56 PM (waaUg)
Posted by: Jewish People at October 23, 2008 02:57 PM (waaUg)
Where. Is. The Fucking. Cocksucking. Media.
Where? On Obama's cock doing what you describe of the Media.
Posted by: jp at October 23, 2008 02:57 PM (DFDtC)
Posted by: apotheosis at October 23, 2008 03:00 PM (xWk3U)
Good luck getting even one of them to really give a shit. Barry would have to kick some puppies, throw kittens out of a speeding gas guzzling SUV while running over old woman and children at a 4th of July parade to have the media wake from their kool-aid coma. Even then, they'd probably just say the stupid fuck was having a bad day.
Posted by: Jenn at October 23, 2008 03:01 PM (QQLml)
Take a breath people
Breaking: New poll shows Russell over Murtha, 48-35 By Michelle Malkin October 23, 2008 02:58 PMPosted by: William Amos at October 23, 2008 03:03 PM (IDfmG)
Posted by: icemike at October 23, 2008 02:52 PM (BqEeV)
I keep posting this over and over: Andy Martin, aka Anthony Martin Trigona, is mentally ill. This is not a slur, he has been diagnosed unfit to practice law in Illinois due to mental illness. He has been declared a "vexatious litigant" by the federal courts. He has also gotten in legal trouble for stalking a news anchor. I have known the man for over 30 + years. He's anti-semitic and crazy.
Posted by: Thomas E. Dewey '48 at October 23, 2008 03:03 PM (s+2rG)
Just consider it more fuel for the fire.
There I used tiny url you cranky old kook.
Posted by: Just A Grunt at October 23, 2008 03:03 PM (wN+/J)
Posted by: spongeworthy at October 23, 2008 03:04 PM (a00go)
Why the HELL aren't the Republicans that we put in office, dropping everything they are doing and in unison...drag this Illegal, corrupt dog out into the public eye.
I realize that the media is tanking for Obama and probably have known about this for a month now but damn it, can we not muster even a concerted effort to bring this to light.
Ace shouldn't be talking to the AG, the Republican leaders should be and not only that but they should be threatening the son of a bitche with anything they can get their hands on to get this resolved, and getting it resolved aint saying your sorry after hauling in 600+ million of over half that probably came from Kumar and his tribe in Nigeria....Did they happen to think that mabey that one creidt card from Osama Bin Laden, with the address of a cave in Pakistan was REALLY Osama?
For crimeny sakes, I could be an Independant and get this level of representation.....GET ON THE FING BALL!!!
Posted by: Drider at October 23, 2008 03:04 PM (lwt+p)
Perhaps the MSM will answer this simple question: "Spit or Swallow?"
Posted by: jp at October 23, 2008 03:05 PM (DFDtC)
I'm not a conspiracy nut...........BUT
seems to me there is one Giagantic Conspiracy to get this Thug elected POTUS. From the MSM, to Soros, to the Cluade-Piven Strategy to every Leftist/Marxist around the World...
I do question the timing of the financial crisis
Posted by: jp at October 23, 2008 03:06 PM (DFDtC)
Posted by: Fred Ralista at October 23, 2008 03:07 PM (ooN+B)
Then do a story on Hitler's donation.
If Hitler donated to McCain - even as a joke - it would be worthy of a major story.
k thks bye.
Posted by: Al at October 23, 2008 03:08 PM (Lk931)
Posted by: SH at October 23, 2008 03:10 PM (arAyy)
Posted by: Dr. Remulak at October 23, 2008 03:11 PM (YmPwQ)
I have screen shots of it all too
Posted by: Chris at October 23, 2008 03:11 PM (xXRUp)
Those must be real donors, I have them all registered... 530 times.
Posted by: ACORN peon at October 23, 2008 03:12 PM (mD4t/)
Posted by: absofruitly at October 23, 2008 03:12 PM (dwWnk)
So, should anybody really be surprised these slugs are pulling this shit?
All that bitching about a stolen election...it was subterfuge while the entire Democrat party rigs elections.
I'd dare say that the honesty in politics mantle should be bestowed permanently on the Republicans.
This shit has been going on for years. COmmunity Organizer my ass. Fucking shake down scam artist...
Posted by: Sen. Rev. Dr. E Buzz at October 23, 2008 03:14 PM (sf4Oe)
Posted by: cassandra at October 23, 2008 03:15 PM (GdalM)
I think we now know why he's willing to put up with The GaffeTastic One.....
Posted by: bmeuppls at October 23, 2008 03:16 PM (lNXkY)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 23, 2008 03:17 PM (eQwUw)
Posted by: apotheosis at October 23, 2008 03:18 PM (r1Lmr)
Using 50 dollar American Express card bought at the Rite Aid check out line?
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 23, 2008 03:19 PM (eQwUw)
Someone wants to know where we are? Right here with our heads up Obama's ass. Now move along.
Posted by: The MSM at October 23, 2008 03:20 PM (QMGr1)
Are you kidding? The collective "media" has been consistently violating campaign finance regulations by openly, unabashedly and relentlessly campaigning for Obama 24/7. If someone were to add it up, what the media's given Obama in terms of $oft-money contributions most likely exceeds any campaign's budget in U.S. history.
Posted by: goy at October 23, 2008 03:20 PM (BCIGN)
Update at Hot Air:
I have a credit card issued by a bank in Hong Kong.
Ive just made 5 donations of $5 each using the card. I listed fake addresses in North Korea, Iran, Gaza, Venezuela and Kenya. The names and addresses were made up, each was different, I listed real Yahoo email addresses that forward to me.
Fake Name
Not A. Realperson
Finance Violation
Fraudulent Charge
Over Donation Limit
All 5 went through without a problem. Im already being solicited for more money.
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 23, 2008 03:20 PM (eQwUw)
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 23, 2008 03:23 PM (eQwUw)
Just an FYI for everyone that donated:
YOU JUST GAVE YOUR CREDIT CARD INFO TO A BUNCH OF CROOKS!!!!!!!!!!
that is all
Posted by: jp at October 23, 2008 03:23 PM (DFDtC)
Posted by: buddy at October 23, 2008 03:26 PM (2CkdP)
YOU JUST GAVE YOUR CREDIT CARD INFO TO A BUNCH OF CROOKS!!!!!!!!!!
Not me - I wimped out. I tried to give them my expired number and it sure as hell kicked THAT one out.
Posted by: cassandra at October 23, 2008 03:26 PM (GdalM)
Posted by: ChangeUCantBelieveIn at October 23, 2008 03:26 PM (rvIvq)
Hm, I see a dirty trick in the making here...
Not that I've got the courage to do it, but Obama did say he wanted to spread the wealth around...
Posted by: Methos at October 23, 2008 03:26 PM (QHtlg)
I just did the same. Ace, I'll send you screen shots.
Gordon Gekko
1 GreedisGood St
Durham NC, 27707
Just donated $5 to the Obama campaign. I checked with Wachovia just minutes after at it was already approved under pending transactions.
What the fuck is going on and why doesn't anyone other than us care?
Posted by: TheAdmiral at October 23, 2008 03:27 PM (7umsY)
That pretty much sizes it up. As wide spread as it is and with the obscene amounts Obama has collected, not one objection from one democrats. The whole lot of them are bad. And they can all suck satan's cock.
Posted by: Thomas E. Dewey '48 at October 23, 2008 03:28 PM (s+2rG)
http://tinyurl.com/5xqkms
"NORTH KANSAS CITY, MO. -- A North Kansas City couple has been left scratching their heads after they became the victims of a political scam.
Steve and Rachel Larman say a strange credit card charge appeared on their statement this month -- a $2300 donation to Barack Obama's presidential campaign. The Larman's say they don't want this to be about their political affiliation, but they say they're not about to give the Obama campaign any help from their pocketbook."
Posted by: Howie at October 23, 2008 03:28 PM (2cR/Y)
Posted by: Fred Ralista at October 23, 2008 03:28 PM (ooN+B)
Posted by: spypeach at October 23, 2008 03:30 PM (QwWKI)
Posted by: grognard at October 23, 2008 03:30 PM (5npD/)
Not that I've got the courage to do it, but Obama did say he wanted to spread the wealth around...
Hah, Im waiting to see if it posts. If I get a credit of $5 Im gonna try for $2,500
Posted by: Chris at October 23, 2008 03:33 PM (xXRUp)
I guess we know how Obama got 150K in a month where the world's financial markets were crumbling. Mr. Soros, you been spending some coin recently???
Posted by: CDR M at October 23, 2008 03:33 PM (TJoU6)
Posted by: robtron12 at October 23, 2008 03:34 PM (gue+Q)
Posted by: Tex at October 23, 2008 03:35 PM (73eJg)
Thanks Liz. I forwarded the story to the Deputy Managing Editor and a business columnist at the Houston Chronicle asking them to follow the dots.
Their op-ed page has endorsed Obama, so it may be a long shot, chinese walls and all.
Posted by: Old Texas Turkey at October 23, 2008 03:35 PM (r/CWb)
For the Love of Mary Stop Giving This Criminal Money
Donation: $5.
Chance of winning the election and seeing Obama's campaign staff in jail for fraud: Priceless.
Posted by: MamaAJ at October 23, 2008 03:35 PM (X6Zdh)
I'm calling my union local. I won't stand for this non-dictator poseur shit.
You racists.
Posted by: Gabriel Sutherland at October 23, 2008 03:36 PM (AHrTm)
I can't afford it, myself.
Posted by: right at October 23, 2008 03:38 PM (pMGkg)
Remind that to all the assholes still whining and attacking McCain/Palin.
Posted by: Thomas E. Dewey '48 at October 23, 2008 03:39 PM (s+2rG)
Posted by: megapotamus at October 23, 2008 03:39 PM (LF+qW)
UPDATE: MEDIA REFUSING TO REPORT, INSISTS CONTRIBUTIONS ARE REAL-- DESPITE OCT. 9 NYT REPORT NOTING FICTITIOUS CONTRIBUTORS
Right. Therein lies the problem. WHO THE FUCK IS GOING TO STOP THEM?
Posted by: bitter, clinging Pennsylvanian at October 23, 2008 03:40 PM (bd68Z)
You are assuming that they will prosecute equally. I wouldn't. Plus, he with "dirty hands" can't complain.
Posted by: Thomas E. Dewey '48 at October 23, 2008 03:41 PM (s+2rG)
Just wondering if these 'tests' might actually cost the campaign money (even if the donation isn't negative as one poster mentioned elsewhere).
Posted by: Methos at October 23, 2008 03:43 PM (QHtlg)
Posted by: Methos at October 23, 2008 03:44 PM (QHtlg)
"Its possible, that in a batch mode overnight, the website is performing additional validation and may not send the confirmation on bogus donations."
Followup tomorrow and after needed.
Posted by: wtf at October 23, 2008 03:44 PM (Vi57P)
Also...all you Red Stage people- you might want to give your local tv news hotline a call and tell them what is happening with donations. If you get an investigative reporter/news director who is sympathetic to McCain, they may very well decide to do a story. It would be easy for them to do, and might get the story out there in another media.
Posted by: shibumi at October 23, 2008 03:45 PM (tZB/c)
Obama associates with a bunch of theives, terrorists and shake-down artists: Rezko, Ayers, Dorne, Raines.... Crooks hang out with other crooks.
Why is anyone surprised that some of these people would commit voter fraud and campaign finance fraud. Why is anyone surprised that a shake-down artist would have his lawyers threaten anyone who criticizes him.
OBAMA IS A FRAUD
This is the same way Putin got elected in Russia and now he has appointed himself Prime Minister for life.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at October 23, 2008 03:45 PM (5GNS+)
Posted by: Editor at October 23, 2008 03:45 PM (GTpOW)
Posted by: Thomas E. Dewey '48 at October 23, 2008 03:46 PM (s+2rG)
I am sure Obama has buddies at the CC companies who would be glad to waive the fees on donations under a certain amount to make sure the campaign doesn't lose money...
Posted by: Tex at October 23, 2008 03:46 PM (73eJg)
McCain campaign volunteer attacked and mutilated in Pittsburgh.
Yes it was a woman who was attacked.
Posted by: Gadfly at October 23, 2008 03:48 PM (iGirC)
Go through the entire process of giving, including entering a real credit card number, but use the "Other"' donation to enter something less than $5. I did $1. I used an obviously fake name, combining Obama's and Biden's names. The address was 2345 Fak Addrss Ln, Washington DC 77777, email was @obama.com. Employer: Sucker taxpayers. Occupation: Demagog. The AmEx card I used was real, with real expiration date. When I went to submit, I got an error message at the top of the page:
"Error processing your contribution. Please correct the problems marked below."
Please note that plural "problems." The entire entry save the credit card info consisted of problems--the names were fake, the address fake, the ZIP code fake, the phone number fake, the employer and occupation fake (though the latter two are real for Obama/Biden). But what were the plural problems that needed correcting on the form?
One: "Amount must be between $5 and $2300."
That's it. One problem was pegged. If not for my chintziness, the donation would have gone through.
Note too that the form has, unlike any other web credit card form you'll use, no space for the card security code. Gosh, why? Could it be to actually permit people who do NOT own the credit card they're donating on, and thus do not have it to check and use the security code, to make donations? That is, with stolen or borrowed credit card numbers? The reason those codes were invented is because credit card numbers were being obtained by the use of phone cameras, sharp eyes, watching people enter card info on phones or recording phone tones with the info.
Obama's donation website enables criminals as well as honest donors. And I doubt that is accidental. No wonder the Democrats have the felon vote all wrapped up---once they get the vote.
Posted by: David Stewart at October 23, 2008 03:48 PM (FzoZg)
I think the media, at this point, can be arrested for aiding and abetting fraud.
Those fucking assholes have buried so much shit about Barry it's ridiculous.
Posted by: Sen. Rev. Dr. E Buzz at October 23, 2008 03:48 PM (sf4Oe)
GO LOOK AT DRUDGE NOW!!!
Posted by: CInAz at October 23, 2008 03:50 PM (qIOmI)
Just made a $5 donation from Canada, using a Canadian IP address, a Canadian Credit Card in Canadian currency, using a name that doesn't match the credit card. (Joe Canuck of 123 Canuckistan)
I have screenshots of the Obama "Thank You", my IP address and the IP whois showing my location in Toronto, Canada.
(I'll be calling my card company asking them to cancel the charge.)
Posted by: BC Monkey at October 23, 2008 03:50 PM (phzv/)
Posted by: US Public at October 23, 2008 03:50 PM (kIjlp)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at October 23, 2008 03:52 PM (eiOZw)
You don't have to run those checks, but when you're running a campaign website soliciting donations and there's campaign finance laws to abide by, it's best to avoid any impropriety. But when has that stopped Obama?
Here's another bit of information on AVS that hasn't been mentioned yet. If the card is from a bank outside the US, it can send back 3 different codes signifying it's an international bank, and it just depends on how that bank has set the response code. They have the ability to automatically REJECT those transactions. In fact, the default settings for payment gateways are to decline those transactions since they can't verify the information. So if international cards are automatically being processed, they'd have to have turned that safeguard off as well.
Posted by: someone who knows at October 23, 2008 03:53 PM (54lqZ)
But the media will cover for Pres. Pending BHO. People here gave me flak for stating the media will elect the PRESSident and there is nothing we can do about it. I give you Exhibit 223(b)-10/23/08.
Posted by: Flubber at October 23, 2008 03:55 PM (UDqSH)
OT, but O did an interview with CBS (I think) saying that family is everything and one who abandons his family cannot be trusted as President. Really? What about the brother he lets live in poverty?
Posted by: Swegin at October 23, 2008 03:56 PM (q0Z3p)
Step One: Get a million dollars. Then, when the government asks about why you didn't pay your taxes, just say: "I forgot."
Posted by: suedenim at October 23, 2008 04:00 PM (mzUiR)
Posted by: nawoods at October 23, 2008 04:01 PM (HbG5E)
To the victor goes the spoils, so to speak.
Posted by: Wha? at October 23, 2008 04:06 PM (gdntg)
And yet Barack Obama has overridden this basic security feature in order to allow the world to donate to him, and to rack up millions and millions in illegal over-the-limit donations.
Where.
Is.
The Fucking.
Cocksucking.
Media.
The hell with the media -- Where is the fucking Attorney General?"
God, I love this blog.
The DemSM are part of the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy. Hell, they are nothing more - or less - than the propaganda wing of the Democrat party now. They are all in cahoots: DemSM, ACORN, Democrat Party...
This is an assault on our country!
Posted by: Hucbald at October 23, 2008 04:21 PM (WQ7pE)
Richard said the robber took $60 from the woman, then became angry when he saw a McCain bumper sticker on the victim's car. The attacker then punched and kicked the victim, before using the knife to scratch the letter "B" into her face, Richard said.
Posted by: Jazz at October 23, 2008 04:27 PM (hnq5i)
Posted by: dave at October 23, 2008 04:27 PM (4UxiE)
Send a petition.
A template petition in German is here.
http://colberturdead2me.wordpress.com/
Posted by: ColbertURDead2Me at October 23, 2008 04:34 PM (yMGR4)
Aaaa.so what your all saying isanyone can get one of the Credit Card charging account/software, as if setting up an internet business. Disable all the safe guards. Then start making up CC account numbers and charging $5 each24/7 until the money starts rolling in electronically. Transfer the cash somewhere, go there and pull it all out. Then disappear off the face of the earth? You can do that?
Posted by: Paladin at October 23, 2008 04:39 PM (AfORa)
Posted by: ArrMatey at October 23, 2008 04:41 PM (35LYA)
Posted by: lionheart at October 23, 2008 04:49 PM (9jCYL)
Posted by: Don Singleton at October 23, 2008 04:58 PM (+gGDN)
Posted by: Originalist at October 23, 2008 05:04 PM (uAytX)
5 minutes ago I was able to make a $15 donation on barackobama.com by registering my name as Mickey Mouse, address Disney World with phony zip and telephone number. I used my credit card and the donation was accepted.
Try it yourself.
Yeah, I'm reporting it.
Posted by: John at October 23, 2008 05:05 PM (2BoFV)
Posted by: John at October 23, 2008 05:07 PM (2BoFV)
Just got off the phone with an editor with the Chicago Tribune. I asked him if he thought Sarah Palin's shoes were more important than the possibility that Barack Obama has been accepting millions of donations in fraudulent contributions. He said he did not know about the Obama story. I said, "It's all over the Internet," and he answered, "Where? On Rush Limbaugh's Web site?"
This of course made me go ballistic. I said, "Why does it matter where it came from? And 20 million people listen to Rush Limbaugh every week -- a lot more people than read the Chicago Tribune -- are they all morons, in your view? Why don't you just do your job, for a change?" And hung up. What a tool.
Posted by: CornFedBeauty at October 23, 2008 05:21 PM (8r/RM)
CHAPTER 14--FEDERAL ELECTION CAMPAIGNS
SUBCHAPTER I--DISCLOSURE OF FEDERAL CAMPAIGN FUNDS
Sec. 441f. Contributions in name of another prohibited
No person shall make a contribution in the name of another person or
knowingly permit his name to be used to effect such a contribution, and
no person shall knowingly accept a contribution made by one person in
the name of another person.
Posted by: ozzy at October 23, 2008 05:22 PM (glQtX)
You realize that in your quest to uncover the already uncovered corruption on this, YOU ARE DONATING MONEY TO THE WRONG FUCKING CAMPAIGN!
Maybe Obama is a fucking genius. He just got you all to part with your money for his cause. Way to fucking go.
Posted by: mongo at October 23, 2008 05:25 PM (xaCnc)
Ah, but when we all tell our credit card companies that the charges are fraudulent, then we get our money back, the Promised One loses it, and if enough of us do it, the campaign gets slapped with some major fees and penalties by their credit card processor.
What's not to love? Spend away, me hearties!
Posted by: Squid at October 23, 2008 05:30 PM (XyDTQ)
So here's my question:
Suppose O doesn't get elected. We can keep praying, right? So he doesn't get elected. Surely this fraud, this verifiable and continued and deliberate fraud can be prosecuted? The man's still going to be a Senator if he doesn't get the White House. Can't he be recalled? *Arrested*? He's not immune from prosecution for lawbreaking.
Posted by: angela b in Seattle at October 23, 2008 06:03 PM (mBD90)
Just got off the phone with an editor with the Chicago Tribune. I said, "Why does it matter where it came from? And 20 million people listen to Rush Limbaugh every week -- a lot more people than read the Chicago Tribune -- are they all morons, in your view? Why don't you just do your job, for a change?" And hung up. What a tool.
Posted by: CornFedBeauty
you should have ended it with douche nozzle but good job
Posted by: e.koenig at October 23, 2008 06:45 PM (2J+Vs)
LOL. Who's "we"? This goes right in the scrap pile and will be a non-issue in about 2 days...
Posted by: JS at October 23, 2008 06:53 PM (iHwej)
Posted by: DB at October 23, 2008 07:33 PM (hFVz2)
Posted by: Mark at October 23, 2008 07:35 PM (W4zkU)
Ads - double-edged sword, baby.
Posted by: Jim62sch at October 23, 2008 08:20 PM (ubHgw)
Given,
1) Obama's massive overseas popularity with millions and millions around the world wanting him to win, and
2) the fact that overseas donors can donate using Obama's online donation set- up,
it is not only possible that he's actively and regularly receiving foreign contributions,
it's a practical certainty.
One other thing to ponder:
recall Obama's overseas campaigning, complete with literature and event build up, leaving people mocking him with the reminder that they can't vote?
Given what we now know, it makes perfect sense. He wasn't soliciting votes, he was tacitly soliciting donations.
Posted by: biff at October 23, 2008 08:23 PM (8yCdV)
Digital Video Recorder(aka Time Shift Viewing)
You'll never watch a commercial you don't want to watch again.
Posted by: Gabriel Sutherland at October 23, 2008 08:24 PM (VeUJ4)
Posted by: David at October 23, 2008 08:25 PM (NgoAe)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 23, 2008 08:25 PM (0+Ggj)
everyone has a computer.
The notion that a presidential nominee is almost certainly knowingly receiving contributions from foreigners, in possibly massive amounts,
is breathtaking.
The fact that the media will refuse to cover it, notwithstanding the ease of verification is shocking.
Folks will notice. And pass it along.
Email a friend,
now.
Posted by: biff at October 23, 2008 08:36 PM (8yCdV)
The NYT "Donor Patrol" has a 10/23 6:02pm report up:
in it they mostly try to bring up McCain problems but did write this "
"But a New York Times analysis of campaign finance records looking for obvious anomalies in donor information quickly found more than a dozen contributors to Mr. Obama using obviously fictitious name. This was a tiny fraction of Mr. Obamas donor pool, but it appeared from the analysis that Mr. McCain had far fewer apparent fake names among his donors."
no linky
Posted by: ArandomPerson at October 23, 2008 08:38 PM (oERXg)
Posted by: zeek at October 23, 2008 08:42 PM (4PRBG)
@198 It would also help to file a complaint with the Internet Crime Complaint Center at http://www.ic3.gov/
@200 That's a great point.
Posted by: someone who knows at October 23, 2008 08:44 PM (54lqZ)
heh
Posted by: jadedinga at October 23, 2008 08:46 PM (LJnG/)
If you go to the main page of google news. You don't see this story. If you click on the ELECTIONS heading, you don't see this story.
I'm sure you'll see this story if you SEARCH for it on Google news but if you search for it, then you already know about it!
BTW, I'm not point a blaming finger at Google. Their news page is a robopage. The fact that this story doesn't make the main ELECTION section just demonstrates that it's not being covered in the media!
Posted by: Arthur at October 23, 2008 08:49 PM (xSFnl)
Posted by: jp at October 23, 2008 08:51 PM (skV5q)
Posted by: JimK at October 23, 2008 01:49 PM (KNIPq)
Penny Pritzker, time ot get under that bus.
Posted by: funky chicken at October 23, 2008 08:54 PM (xyyHG)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 23, 2008 08:57 PM (NbR7V)
I mean, this isn't even a risky position or issue to go after. It's a SURE THING. It's a 100% guaranteed to succeed lawsuit or prosecution or whatever, because Obama has undoubtedly and irrefutably broken the law here.
Posted by: Rip at October 23, 2008 08:59 PM (UK7Hp)
Posted by: laughing at you at October 23, 2008 09:05 PM (z7tHy)
The hell with the media -- Where is the fucking Attorney General?
apparently hanging out with Bernanke and Paulson sending fraudulent donations to Barack Obama.
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This is like a bad dream. Is there nothing this man could do to derail his candidacy? I swear to God that Obama could drop trow and crap on the steps of the Capitol building - in broad daylight, with cameras rolling - and it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference. Is it any wonder he thinks it's in the bag? He is completely insulated by a media force-field.
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Nuff said.
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Contact John Cass I think it's Tribune - he is good and will follow corruption.
If not Trib then Sun Times Chicago.
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Has the Obama campaign actually received the money? See that's the bit you monkey brains are missing, all you've done is filled out a form on the website, has any cash been paid? Any coffer filled?
See, for it to be donation fraud there has to be a, y'know, donation?
But it's fun to watch y'all go rabid with your stupid, keep it up!
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Or are you folks actually profoundly retarded enough to think a magna cum laude Harvard Law Grad would be silly enough to leave himself wide open to prosecution
Affirmative action.
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