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Holy Shit! CNN Shoots…Scores! (genghis)

Somehow, someway, one of the rightwing fascists on our side infiltrated CNN and managed to write this article.

”SEATTLE, Washington (CNN) -- Clifton Mitchell helped register nearly 2,000 voters for the community group ACORN. But not one of them actually existed.”

"I regret it. I paid the price for it," he said.

“Mitchell was convicted last year and spent nearly three months in prison. He's one of the few ACORN workers convicted of voter registration fraud.”


It gets better:
”They took addresses from homeless shelters, used fake birthdays and Social Security numbers and took names from baby books to create voters out of thin air.”

"Every day I'd go to the library and get a newspaper," Mitchell said. "I had one guy who'd go to the phone book. Everyone had different methods."


I still don’t trust CNN, but maybe this cancels out the story they did earlier today (posted by Ace below) about the Republican “operative” sentenced to prison for jamming the Dem’s phone lines. What pisses me off is that they’re just now getting around to focusing on this.


Holy Shit! We can haz road trip?

Added: Yes, the second half of the article tries to downplay the issue that false voter registration translates into actual votes, but ACORN's tactic is to submit all of these fake registrations at the last possible second and overwhelm the already overwhelmed local election officials. Chaos ensues and then we hear the inevitable cry of "Voter suppression!"

Posted by: Open Blog at 11:24 PM



Comments

1 You are giving them too much credit.  They are setting up for a both parties do it self defense.

Posted by: David at October 22, 2008 11:26 PM (HAdov)

2 that's right.

Posted by: honest clod at October 22, 2008 11:29 PM (8zf5G)

3

CNN is trying to crush Palin today and now, as are the others with this "Palin is a drag on McCain" storyline.

Not a word about Obama's idiotic defense of Biden's comments today.

 

And, of course, the depositions friday and Palin's clothres.  All more important than reporting on the VP's admission that an Obama presidency would be hit with a major international crisis within 6 months that would be "apparently" handled in an unwise fashion.

 

Unbelievable, but it will work.  Biden's comments are now officially down the memory hole, gone...........

Posted by: geoff at October 22, 2008 11:30 PM (zEGWh)

4 Here in Seattle it wouldn't be a "rightwing fascist." It would be someone so far left they're trying to maumau the entire concept of actually holding an election.

"See, this is so... gauche. He had to dirty himself out amongst the masses. Once mandatory vote-by-mail is in full effect, we can just make up the ballots inside election headquarters directly. Much more efficient."

Posted by: Al at October 22, 2008 11:30 PM (Lk931)

5 Yeah, and the Sectary of State Sam Reed is taking credit for the whole thing. The Shark over at Sound Politics.com worked his ass off to get King County to clean up their voter rolls.

Posted by: kim in vancouver at October 22, 2008 11:32 PM (qYk+w)

6 CNN is racist and must be thrown under the bus.

Posted by: maxpower at October 22, 2008 11:36 PM (muUqs)

7 Newsflash:  CNN is biased and pro Democrat.  Dog bites man.

Every now and then they'll do ONE story, with questionable timing,  on a subject and it'll give them cover to say "Hey, we covered it". 

NYSlimes does the same thing.


Posted by: aquaviva at October 22, 2008 11:36 PM (w19Us)

8 Which Kennedy is that a picture of?

Posted by: David Ross at October 22, 2008 11:38 PM (DRQFz)

9 Its just becoming embarassing to live in Seattle. First the Mariners, then the Seahawks and now ACORN? Just kidding - its Seattle! Its expected.

I was walking home for lunch today and a chick with a clipboard stopped me and asked if I'd like to help the ACLU. I told her to fuck herself and oh, man was she pissed. It was a good day.

Posted by: Swegin at October 22, 2008 11:41 PM (q0Z3p)

10

Soon after the story appeared, large men in dark suits surrounded the writer at work. He was pummeled with lead saps, and a large burlap sack was placed over his head. After his wrists were ziptied, he was hustled downstairs and out a service entrance where a non-descript van with darkened windows was waiting at the curb. The suited men tossed the hapless writer inside. The doors slammed shut. Tires screeched.

The van was last seen headed toward a part of New Jersey called "The Pine Barrens".

Posted by: Jones at October 22, 2008 11:41 PM (KOkrW)

11

Ah, who gives a shit, everybody is watching this fantastic World Series tonight.

Especially everyone in Pennsylvania and Florida.

Posted by: rockmom at October 22, 2008 11:42 PM (iZqUY)

12 Asian markets tanking right now.

Posted by: maverick muse at October 22, 2008 11:42 PM (F1b/5)

13

Great Video: a look into the future if Obama gets in (and hell freezes over)

http://tinyurl.com/69d4a3

Posted by: Cromagnum at October 22, 2008 11:42 PM (j5MnB)

14 (a blank comment so the comments reappear...quirk of the system)

Posted by: genghis at October 22, 2008 11:46 PM (HwY1l)

15 Interesting correlation between the drop in election ratings, see Drudge, and both articles critical of Obama and release of accurate polling data showing a close race.

I know the media in solid for Obama; but somebody has to sign those juicy checks.

Posted by: Jean at October 22, 2008 11:48 PM (HVRSA)

16

( a blank stare so i can blink again)

Posted by: Cromagnum at October 22, 2008 11:48 PM (j5MnB)

17 This is just a setup for CNN's new ACORN has cleaned up it's act and is not responsible for it's employees meme.

Or, just basically what they report all of the time.

Actually, if ACORN is starting to smell so bad that even CNN can't avoid covering them and sees a HUGE story in the worst case of voter fraud in American history -- screw The One, it's ratings time.

Posted by: mesablue at October 22, 2008 11:48 PM (5yNaE)

18

The whole article was about how ACORN was the victim of unscrupulous workers and no one would ever actually fraud the vote. There's even a link to a story:  Study: Person more likely to get struck by lightning than commit voter fraud.

CNN sucks.

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at October 22, 2008 11:49 PM (C7GcS)

19 On Drudge there's a headline on the massive public O-gasm they're planning for election night.

Posted by: David Ross at October 22, 2008 11:49 PM (DRQFz)

20 OB -

Thanks for the great pic. One of my daughters collects pictures of the two major party candidates, and this one Senator McCain as an undergraduate is a real score!

Posted by: diderot's dog at October 22, 2008 11:49 PM (nrD02)

21 Hedging their bets.  If something comes along to tarnish Obama they will turn on him like snakes.

Posted by: The Obvious at October 22, 2008 11:50 PM (1g+FW)

22 The writer was Chris Lawrence.  Based on his bio, its entirely possible that he was in NO at the time of Katrina at the same time as Drew Griffin.  It seems the scientists that mastered Bush's Hurricane Machine have also found a way to brainwash people. 

Posted by: Obamedia at October 22, 2008 11:51 PM (Ebm+o)

23 Meanwhile, the messiah is mocking McCain and Palin for suggesting his policies are socialism:

"Lately, [McCain] and Governor Palin have actually accused me of -- get this -- socialism," Obama said. "It's kind of hard to figure how Warren Buffett endorsed me, Colin Powell endorsed me, and John McCain thinks I'm socialist."

Hmm.  You've got a point there, sparky.  How about Marxist?  Or would you prefer Maoist?  Or Communist perhaps?

He always does this.  He always belittles when someone hits on a truth about him.  It's a strategic move on his part and, sadly, the sheeple followers of his nod their heads and agree with The One and rush headlong to their own slaughter.

Posted by: PowerPro at October 22, 2008 11:52 PM (JPEqm)

24 The only time I will watch cnn is when Lou Dobbs is on air. If I did decide to watch cnn at the other times, I would probably throw something at our flat screen TV and my husband would lose it.

Posted by: Ginger(KCLady) at October 22, 2008 11:56 PM (a4nO6)

25
nice story-
'I Just Voted Republican in a Blue State: Why My Vote Matters'

http://tinyurl.com/5rbc2k

Posted by: politicalmuse at October 22, 2008 11:56 PM (kLKnf)

26 Free market radio...who the hell needs that?

Listen to the mind of a liberal and be afraid... http://tinyurl.com/5nffpq

Posted by: devilish at October 22, 2008 11:59 PM (5ui08)

27

Posted by: devilish at October 22, 2008 11:59 PM (5ui0

 

No thanks. I can only imagine.

Posted by: Ginger(KCLady) at October 23, 2008 12:00 AM (a4nO6)

28 Don't be duped! This is the narrative that phony registration cards are submitted by a small fraction of "rogue" workers. ACORN/Project Vote officers throw their hands up and say that they can't control every agent throughout the country, and are legally unable to vet these cards.  BUT, this fraud is systemic and steeped throughout these operations. These arrests are part of a strategy to take the small hits (actually the only hits are on the $8/hr. hoopleheads) and declare that reforms are being made. BULLSHIT! TIP. ICEBERG. RIGHT. AHEAD.

Posted by: Bluecaper at October 23, 2008 12:01 AM (Qjds1)

29

oh c'mon!

macain is really old and i heard he's pretty sick. as for palin, well! she's very inexperienced.

i know this cos i watch the tv.

Posted by: concerned christian at October 23, 2008 12:03 AM (Xn67z)

30

CNN will not do conservatives any favors in this election season.

Posted by: Bluecaper at October 23, 2008 12:03 AM (Qjds1)

31

Posted by: politicalmuse at October 22, 2008 11:56 PM (kLKnf)

Yeah, I'm in NY, but I'm going to vote, if only to get an Iraq Vet elected as Assemblyman or something and beat the living shit out of this asshole who has commercials like "I made a law to try and force automakers to make all vehicles have 40MPG by 2010.  He's such a cocksucker.  This other guy has all the best slogans on his road signs, Drill Now, Energy Security. 

Posted by: Obamedia at October 23, 2008 12:09 AM (Ebm+o)

32

Cathartic!

http://tinyurl.com/5mq4os

Posted by: Bluecaper at October 23, 2008 12:12 AM (Qjds1)

33

Anyone want to read about Obama's $175,000 credit card donor? Then it's here for you.

Posted by: andycanuck at October 23, 2008 12:20 AM (oA5PA)

34 In the Obama Administration, ACORN will become a new cabinet level department.

Posted by: SlaveDog at October 23, 2008 12:24 AM (H6Jyg)

35

"Lately, [McCain] and Governor Palin have actually accused me of -- get this -- socialism," Obama said. "It's kind of hard to figure how Warren Buffett endorsed me, Colin Powell endorsed me, and John McCain thinks I'm socialist."

Money is just a by-product of power.  People like Warren Buffett can't get any richer(he has all the cars and houses he could ever use) but, relatively speaking, he can get more powerful by impoverishing the average American.

"Democracy is indispensable to socialism.
Vladimir Lenin

Fascism is capitalism in decay.
Vladimir Lenin

The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses.
Vladimir Lenin

The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.
Vladimir Lenin

There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel.
Vladimir Lenin

It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.
Joseph Stalin



Posted by: Speller at October 23, 2008 12:29 AM (xUoRl)

36 So CNN, you wanna go two for two? Follow the path about the leverage used to kick off the market meltdown, starting with the bank runs to create the initial liquidity crisis and set the whole sub-prime forest on fire. Past Wachovia, WaMu, etc., past the Democratic Senators who made comments like "OMG! RUN! FIRE! Not that I know anything, but OMG if I had money there, I'd be like yanking every last dollar out right now! Not that I'm saying anything or have any insider information, ya know..."

Ignore the noise. Look at who set it up, was positioned to take the opposite side and take them down. Need a hint? It's the same person funding Obama. Another hint? It's also the same guy instrumental in getting the very subprime mess created. Still not with me? Look at who's funded MoveOn.org, Media Matters, ACORN and other community anarchists. Name still escapes ya? Look at who's popped unsustainable bubbles with the British Pound when pegged to the Deutschmark. Look at who's written extensively about not only seeking unsustainable disequilibrium but kicking the very legs out from the chair to make sure you own the timing of the liquidity run.

If you don't have the name by now, then quit. A career in food service is certainly more fitting for your qualifications. Journalism just isn't your thing.

Posted by: redherkey at October 23, 2008 12:30 AM (kjqFg)

37 Man I get some good material from the comments here. I use them to torment the commenters of the local newspapers website. So.... thanks everyone.

Posted by: kahall at October 23, 2008 12:32 AM (ZCT0i)

38 This CNN ACORN story is trying to defuse the issue. The obvious question to ask, if you know the system is flawed why should it be funded?

Also, everyone should have to get in the car, bus or train and register at their local municipal building.

Keeping up the obscenity count:

FUCK ACORN, FUCK OBAMA, FUCK CNN

Posted by: Tiny Smeagle at October 23, 2008 12:39 AM (1V2sa)

39 'I Just Voted Republican in a Blue State: Why My Vote Matters'

I'm in California.  My vote always matters.  No matter what.  Years ago, I got home from work, had the news on while I changed.  The news had already called the election for Reagan.  I was really upset, but went and voted anyway.

One time I spaced on voting in a local or state election.  I was sick with guilt for days.

Thanks for posting that, politicalmuse, for anyone who might think they should just stay home. 

Posted by: CB at October 23, 2008 12:42 AM (9Wv2j)

40 I haven't watched CNN in years, but was stuck at DFW for a few hours this afternoon... it was on everywhere, and it was Horrifying.  It was like a three hour campaign commercial.  Terrible.  The muzzack here at LAX is a dramatic improvement.

Posted by: Terry at October 23, 2008 12:46 AM (+a9G7)

41

If you want to stay home Nov 4, then do us a favor and change parties too.

Peggy and Colin might welcome you over there.

Posted by: Cromagnum at October 23, 2008 12:47 AM (j5MnB)

42 I'm in Seattle. I'll mail in my ballot in sight of a massive -authentic- statue of Lenin.

It's my ticket to bitch.

Posted by: Al at October 23, 2008 12:47 AM (Lk931)

43 > FUCK ACORN, FUCK OBAMA, FUCK CNN

Hey, that'd make a pretty good T-shirt. 

Posted by: mrkwong at October 23, 2008 01:03 AM (G8Eo0)

44 You know, there's a journalist out there tonight who can be the next Woodward and Bernstein. The story is sitting there on the whole subprime event which has permitted Obama to ascend, but it'll take some personal risk (which is better taken before Obama ascends to the Presidency, otherwise I would be wary of the safety of the journalist's family). I'll give the future Woodward "Remembered throughout History" journalist some hints on the story that sits there, and will point out that like the prosecution of Al Capone, much of the crime is financial and technical, and thus not interesting to the general public. Al Capone counted on this ignorance, as does He who primarily coordinates the effort for Obama. He has counted on the media being too ADD and too incompetent to observe his technical game. Here are some clues to follow:

1. Why did Sen. Schumer make the out-of-the-blue comments on IndyMac which caused the first bank run? Do you notice when this occurred... July... setting off the very first liquidity crisis? Please consult a behavioral economist who understands how a liquidity crisis functions (I'd recommend Paul Ormerod, of The Economist, to help you identify a good expert here). Schumer was lighting a fire to cause a liquidity run and indeed he did a good job. He pushed the snowball off the edge which became the liquidity avalanche. Who paid him to do this at this specific time? Certainly that's hard to discern, but this event (which has been sufficiently buried) is when the liquidity run began. Curious yet?

2. Why has Schumer been getting money dumped in from George Soros? Schumer is somewhat of a has-been, yet he's recently been an instant favorite of George Soros. George isn't an idiot and gets results for what he pays for. What was he buying? A bank run? It's actually easier when you run it backwards. IndyMac's failure caused a serious impact in the liquidity markets. It was like the first hydrogen cell in the Hindenberg lighting up - it wasn't enough to take the ship down, but it was certainly going to spread. Fear was in the market, and Schumer's master knows how to direct fear.

3. Why was Soros so heavily leveraged and positioned for the liquidity run? Who else was leveraged on his side? Why WaMu and Wachovia? For every share sold, someone is buying. Naked shorts have a sponsor. For every tick down in the market, there was someone behind that move. Why was Soros so involved in that downward movement with such leverage?

The whole Fannie/Freddie monstrosity is also interesting, but I'm afraid most journalists will get lost in it. A Woodward/Bernstein would find someone to help them understand that they were the mechanism that Obama and other ACORN agitators helped create to prop up this market disequilibrium and create a huge forest ready to burn. But I have to admit that this expects a lot from a J-school grad, who took that path instead of finance for a good reason.

Then again, if you claim to be a journalist with ethics, you must resolve in your mind right now how you can possibly serve as an objective "fourth estate" on complicated matters like this one here (where I've tried to help you discover the path waiting for you). If you can't grasp it, or find it complicated, not fitting the Obama narrative, over the heads of the populace, or simply too boring for your style, you must concede that the fourth estate no longer has a role in providing checks/balances on the crimes of the powerful elite. Your disinterest represents a jurisdictional negligence, seceding the responsibility of governance over powerful governmental interests and those who wish to co-opt their authority.

Someone can become a hero for figuring out this story in a manner which the media can communicate. Then again, we've seen we have a media that has no appetite for anything more than fawning over Obama and reporting on whether Britney Spears has panties on. I won't get my hopes up.

Posted by: redherkey at October 23, 2008 01:04 AM (kjqFg)

45

Clifton Mitchell helped register nearly 2,000 voters for the community group ACORN. But not one of them actually existed.”

Ok, so that's voter registration fraud.  So can someone please explain to me how voters that don't actually exist are going to show up and commit voter fraud? 

They're not?  Oh.

 

Posted by: davelowe at October 23, 2008 01:09 AM (AXd8U)

46

CNN will not do conservatives any favors in this election season.

 

When has CNN ever did conservatives a favor?

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2008 01:12 AM (b1ysY)

47 Amusingly, that article is bylined Seattle.

Where a court found 1800 illegal votes in 2004. (An election that was put under a microscope, being decided by 129 votes.)

There were about 7 prosecutions - because they couldn't find the "illegal voters". Even though they knew the "names" and "addresses."

Note to self: If preparing to vote illegally, don't use my true name, don't use my true address... in fact, just make sure I use an intermediary like ACORN. Instead of going into a Post Office, where they have video surveillance, etc.

Posted by: Al at October 23, 2008 01:15 AM (Lk931)

48 "Ok, so that's voter registration fraud.  So can someone please explain to me how voters that don't actually exist are going to show up and commit voter fraud? "

Ever wonder why Democratic districts are the last to report in.  You need a lot of registrations to be able to find those votes without it looking like fraud.  Think I'm lying, even the media that is in the bag for Obama couldn't let them keep counting votes in Indiana in the primaries.  You need a lot of extra registrations to pull that off.

Posted by: David at October 23, 2008 01:15 AM (HAdov)

49 I'm going to make this even easier for the future Woodward and Bernstein. For those who investigate arson events, I've been told that it's particularly valuable to track who comes back and watches the fire as your suspect is often in that crowd.

Well look who we have here, coming back to the subprime meltdown fire, carrying with him a "solution to stop fires" from his master? Chuck Schumer. Good ol' Chuck is the lucky guy who George Soros asked to introduce his proposal to get rid of all these fire-prone banks and socialize the whole thing so that the State would have sufficient control and influence over all of the major banks. According to The Hill (10/1/200:

A plan to recapitalize the American banking system circulated by George Soros, the billionaire financier and major Democratic backer, received mixed reviews in the Senate on Wednesday. Two members of the Senate Banking Committee voiced cautious support for the core concept in Soros’s plan. A third panel member, Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), said Soros’s proposal was sitting on his desk and he planned to review it immediately.


Here's your tinyurl, Woodward: http://tinyurl.com/4fj874

Again, it's going to take some work for you and I have to say I don't expect it from most journalists today. Things are just too easy and nobody's hungry (yet). Still, there's a double-hero opportunity. When Woodward pulled it off, he wasn't also rescuing the fourth estate from irrelevance.

Posted by: redherkey at October 23, 2008 01:17 AM (kjqFg)

50

Holy Shit indeed....this Zogby poll from 10 minutes ago has got me down.

Released: October 23, 2008

Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll: Obama 52.2%, McCain 40.3%

Obama's base is solid; McCain's is showing cracks

UTICA, New York - Democrat Barack Obama has slowly built a 12-point lead over Republican John McCain, consolidating support among young voters, Hispanics, and independent voters while McCain's support, even among his Republican base, is fading heading down the stretch, the latest Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby daily tracking poll shows.

Pollster John Zogby: "Obama now has a huge lead among young voters, independents,  and Hispanic voters. It's obviously not over. Frankly, this could tighten up and then loosen up again before Election Day. We saw movement on Election Day in New Hampshire, but at least for now, Obama has a very big lead. In the absence of news, McCain is not connecting. He seemed to be connecting during and immediately after the last debate, but got lost in issues that are not on people's minds. At some point, there are some issues that just overwhelm, and McCain has been particularly weak on the economy. He misstated the problem, confused his position, acted in a frantic way, and then looked like he wanted to run away from it. Meanwhile, Obama has been cool and confident, which worked for FDR in 1932 and worked for Ronald Reagan in 1980."

"I am very comfortable with our sample, especially given our track record in the last three presidential elections. Look at other polls and ask - Do they have enough college educated respondents? Enough Hispanics? Enough young voters? We do. And we have more Republicans in our sample than anyone else.

Posted by: geoff at October 23, 2008 01:21 AM (zEGWh)

51 Remember what we are fighting against: http://mises.org/books/TRTS/

Posted by: devilish at October 23, 2008 01:24 AM (5ui08)

52

redherkey -

Indymac, WAMU, and Wachovia (and Countrywide, and many others) all made stupid mortgage loans, with poor underwriting standards, all on their own.

They were participants in the free markets, and did these things independently of Fannie/Freddie and Acorn.  They aren't going down because of some sort of low-income buyer assistance program.

The reason these companies are all going under is because these mortgages were too crappy for Fannie/Freddie to purchase.   Below Fannie/Freddie's underwriting standards. Instead, these companies held these mortages on their own books.  And now they're taking the losses.

Did you notice today that Wachovia announced a $23.9 Billion loss?  That's because of bad business decisions made by Wachovia.  Not some conspiracy.

Posted by: davelowe at October 23, 2008 01:27 AM (AXd8U)

53 Double Holy Shit from a UK lefty who writes for the Independent.* It's not much and it's not a total indictment of Obama's shortcomings, but I'll take whatever I can get.
http://tinyurl.com/5kemgw

* independent in the sense that even though the paper is 99.9% left-wing, you might be lucky and find dissent in that fish wrapper amounting to 0.1%, give or take 0.1.

Posted by: The Fucking Queen Of England at October 23, 2008 01:32 AM (z4EdS)

54

Wachovia did not go down because of bad loans or bad paper bought up by Wachovia. They went down because they purchased and merged with a bank in CA that owned a ton of that bad F/F paper. Shortly after buying that bank the housing market in CA went bust. The crooks that made out were those two individuals on that SNL spoof that were removed in the edit.

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2008 01:33 AM (b1ysY)

55 That would be the Sandlers Vic. Adam and someone.

Posted by: Al at October 23, 2008 01:37 AM (Lk931)

56 davelowe... I admire your objectivity. You're absolutely right in that IndyMac, WaMu, etc. made bad loans and they paid for it. Think of that as a boulder propped up on the edge of a cliff. Unsustainable in the long-term. Terrible executive judgement (although they were incentivized through Fannie/Freddie to make such bogus loans which would be absorbed).

The question I ask of you is this: do you blame the forest service for letting a forest become overgrown and ready for an uncontrollable fire? Or do you blame he who throws the match and ignites it?

If you blame the former, George Soros should be in your line of questioning. He was instrumental in engineering the disequalibrium. If you blame the latter, curiously, George Soros's name pops up again, being a major factor in the careers of those who were playing with matches in the fire and causing bank runs. I don't expect most people to understand liquidity risk and recognize why it is where the action is at. I don't expect many to study Soros' "The Alchemy of Finance" and understand that he too understands that it is flight to liquidity that creates the crisis, not the underlying imbalance. You point out to wrongs that lead to imbalance, but those will go on indefinitely until someone kicks out the legs of the chair.

And that is my point. Pay attention who who kicked the legs out.

Posted by: redherkey at October 23, 2008 01:41 AM (kjqFg)

57 Wow, I'm from Chicago and those Acorn guys put our voter fraud schemes to shame!

Posted by: PJ at October 23, 2008 01:42 AM (GVdvM)

58 Between this and the latest AP poll showing the presidential race in a dead heat, it seems almost as if the MSM is trying to let McCain back into the race.

No, this is not to say the MSM is climbing out of Obama's tank. But keep in mind that they are still a bunch of for-profit businesses who need to squeeze every last cent out of their election coverage that they can. If their readers/viewers believe that Obama already has the presidency in the bag, a lot of them will stop following the election, meaning their ratings and sales (both subscriptions and ads) will drop off.

This puts the MSM in a delicious bind (delicious for us, that is), forcing them to play a dangerous game pitting their two most vital interests against one another. For the sake of their continued relevancy in the American cultural/political landscape they need Obama to win, but for the sake of their bottom line they need the race to still be competitive right up until the end. So they start turning on ACORN and Joe Biden, and even start warming up to Sarah Palin again, all in hopes of making this thing a real horse race again. Having succeeded at this, no doubt they will revert to form in the last few days before Election Day and try to put Obama back over the top for good. But with that little time left there is no guarantee that such a last-minute push will succeed. The MSM could end up blowing this thing for their chosen candidate yet.

Posted by: Joshua at October 23, 2008 01:44 AM (6LFuL)

59 Herb and Marion Sandler

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2008 01:44 AM (b1ysY)

60 Looks like Geoff the Troll showed up pretending to be Geoff the Original.  Well, Geoff the Troll, why don't you tell us why it's so depresssssssssing.  Because you're putting some sort of weight into it? 

Funny how Zogby's went from a 2.7% to 11.9% in 4-days, don't you think?  Especially, when other polls either now have it dead even or much closer than Zogby, CBS, NBC.

You don't think with these all over the place there's something funny going on, do you?  Noooooooooo.

Why do I not put much weight into these polls?  Because I'm reading comments from life long democrats.

So Geoff, it's funny how whenever you show up it's to tell us how depressed or down you are.

Nice try.


Posted by: Editor at October 23, 2008 01:45 AM (p4YSL)

61

Vic -

"They went down because they purchased and merged with a bank in CA that owned a ton of that bad F/F paper."

I'm sorry, but you are mistaken.  They went down because Golden West wrote and owned a ton of bad "Pick-A-Pay" / negative amortization mortgages and kept the mortgages on their books. And Wachovia kept offering this idiotic "pick-a-pay" product after they bought Golden West.  

Do you get that..... the bank kept the mortgages on their books, they didn't sell these mortgages to F/F.   Then the mortgages went bad.  Oops.

If they had sold these crap mortgages to F/F, Wachovia would be fine.

This is an important point.  Note that nowhere am I defending F/F's other crappy business practices that got them into their own trouble.   But it is important to understand that a HUGE portion of these bad mortgage loans from 2004-2007 were offered by private companies, of their own volition, funded by themselves or other private free enterprise sources, independent of F/F or any government program.  

 

Posted by: davelowe at October 23, 2008 01:52 AM (AXd8U)

62 "Threats of criminal prosecution may scare some groups into closing voter registration drives, according to Schnapper. It could scare actual voters away from the polls as well, he said, "and that really does affect the outcomes of the election."

What is the logic here? The only "voters" who would be scared of voting are those who are fraudulently registered.

Posted by: LAsue at October 23, 2008 01:55 AM (zk5uq)

63

davelowe

I stand corrected then, however, it really doesn't make that much of a difference. It was the decision to buy that bank that cost them.

Do you think the guy who made that decision got a nice package?

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2008 01:56 AM (b1ysY)

64 Let's not forget what happened to Indymac.  Schmuck Schumer opened his big fat lardass mouth and publicly called Indymac out (you see, they hadn't donated to the Democrats).  What happened within a week?  Bank run.  That's when the feds came in.

Posted by: Editor at October 23, 2008 02:00 AM (p4YSL)

65 The brainiac CEO that killed Wachovia is Ken Thompson.  He was kicked to the curb in June.  Supposedly had a $5 Million parachute.

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66

There was a short news blurb a while back that Indymac was considering suing Schumer. What ever happened with that?

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2008 02:03 AM (b1ysY)

67 Indymac was already going down.  It was a matter of if, not when.  If you go back and look at the price of their stock at the time that Shumer spoke out, you'll see that the market had already priced it in. 

Posted by: davelowe at October 23, 2008 02:05 AM (AXd8U)

68 Crap,...meant to say when, not if.  It's late.

Posted by: davelowe at October 23, 2008 02:06 AM (AXd8U)

69 dave, I wasn't discounting that eventually it was going down.  Just that I believe it was premature and scared the crap out of the rest of the country to hurt the credit market worse than needed to be.

By the way, I'm pretty sure they had sold off the vast majority of their mortgages to F/F prior to Schumer opening his mouth.  I have no doubt what he did was politically motivated and not just naive.

There's always going to be institutions that fail.  It's the nature of the beast.

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70

This was the discussion that went down over at Volokhas it went down. The consensus seems to be that Schumer “triggered” the collapse vs caused it, although some feel that without Chuckie’s leaking of a confidential document they may have been able to get by the liquidity problem.

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2008 02:14 AM (b1ysY)

71

Read: How to Rig an Election: Confessions of a Republican Operative - then come back and bitch more about Acorn

Posted by: Majk at October 23, 2008 05:52 AM (QdB4X)

72 Nice try, Majk.  Clogging Democrat phone lines on election day is certainly obnoxious and unethical, but it does not actually amount to introducing fake voter registrations and fake votes.  And a single instance of -that- certainly doesn't even -begin- to compare to so much fraud that it's kicked off investigations in over a dozen states.  Seriously.  The comparison is just fucking absurd.

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at October 23, 2008 06:36 AM (3FVXC)

73 "Local law enforcement agencies in about a dozen states are investigating fake registrations submitted by ACORN workers and the FBI is reviewing those cases."--Jim Abrams (AP)

"in about a dozen states" AS IF Abrams can not count exactly how many states naming each! AS IF all 50 states should not be "investigating fake registrations submitted by ACORN workers"

"and the FBI is reviewing those cases" means exactly WHAT BEFORE ELECTION DAY! What after election day?

Who is going to depose a candidate that literally steals the election illegally? When election results are scoured of fraud, only THEN can the winner of popular vote be determined.

What has the Constitution to say of that scenario? Cheating is not addressed except in legislation where cheating rules the legislative day and the rule of law gagged and bound.

Elections must be legitimate.

Posted by: maverick muse at October 23, 2008 06:52 AM (F1b/5)

74
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Clifton Mitchell helped register nearly 2,000 voters for the community group ACORN. But not one of them actually existed.”

Ok, so that's voter registration fraud.  So can someone please explain to me how voters that don't actually exist are going to show up and commit voter fraud? 

They're not?  Oh.


Once they're registered, I'm sure the fact that they need a valid ID to vote will stop them from actually casting that fraudulent vote.

Cuz the Donks are all about IDing voters, right?



Posted by: Oedipus at October 23, 2008 07:54 AM (5Djkl)

75 I am asking this question because I really do not know the answer:

What is he point of turning in these bogus registrations if the intention is not to turn them into a vote?

I understand the chaos created when 1000's of new registrations are dumped at the last second, but it can't just be for the satisfaction of screaming "voter suppression".


Posted by: Pam at October 23, 2008 07:57 AM (yta3N)

76 Read: How to Rig an Election: Confessions of a Republican Operative - then come back and bitch more about Acorn

Why don't you scroll down the front page?  Yesterday PM around 2:38 to be exact.

Now, sir, will you please grant us permission to proceed with bitching about ACORN?

Posted by: bunny boy at October 23, 2008 08:20 AM (YsSn7)

77 "Cuz the Donks are all about IDing voters, right?"

Oh no, you can't do that. That would disenfranchise someone. Democrats say this over and over and over.

Posted by: qrstuv at October 23, 2008 08:51 AM (iLavX)

78 I followed the WA state brouhaha for a while, and I don't see why Bush didn't step in, via the  DOJ or something.

Illegal votes disenfranchise legal voters. You can make a real case that this is a civil rights issue. The right to vote (and ahem, not have the vote canceled by a cheater) is the most fundamental right we have in a democracy.

Posted by: qrstuv at October 23, 2008 08:55 AM (iLavX)

79

CNN has been covering ACORN for a couple weeks now.   I was surprised too.

 

Posted by: cassandra at October 23, 2008 09:25 AM (R8Gjy)

80 Love the minimization technique and the media/Dem/nutblog spin on this, well stated by the only expert CNN thought to quote: Mickey Mouse isn't going to be voting; this is all isolated and walled off from vote fraud.

Really? So one---ONE---ACORN petition contains Mickey Mouse, and so that is what EVERY fraudulent signature is like? Where'd that conclusion come from? Did this guy pay any attention? They go to phone books, newspapers, and other sources of REAL names. Each one of these that gets into the rolls is a slot for a fake voter.

And this isn't the first time ACORN's been caught doing this (as the cited story makes clear). It happens EVERY election. Why? Is ACORN unable to learn? Or do they have a different goal, one better served by submitting thousands of fake registrations--each of which, ACORN points out, MUST be submitted, because, hey, they got written down, and each of which some election official must check--in hundreds of cities?

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