ABC Ignores Its Own Biden "Testing" Scoop for 24 Hours; Even Dan Rather Says It Would Be Page 1 Above-the-Fold If Palin Had Said It

Even Dan "Forged TANG Documents" Rather thinks there's a double standard.

Giuliani: Joe Biden was right the first time -- Obama's not ready.

MSNBC Outdoes Itself: Given the choice between reporting the embarrassing Biden quote which has actually become an issue in the campaign, or reporting a similar quote in which Biden reformulated it to sound better, which do you think MSNBC chose?

And even worse - - they did not alert their viewers that this was not in fact the quote McCain and Palin are talking about. They called this "the quote."

Just flat out lying, now.

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Posted by: Glenn Reynolds at October 21, 2008 03:40 PM (0106Q)

You could make a similar case about a half dozen or more issues. What if McCain had the campaign finance issues Obama has? What if McCain attended a church like Obama's? What if McCain had a friend like Ayers and Dohrn? What if McCain had a relationship with a group like Acorn? Etc., etc.

I’ve said it many times. The total corruption of the media is undermining the confidence in our electoral system which is the very foundation of our nation. One has to look no further than our financial system to see how quickly and catastrophically systems can collapse when confidence disappears. This is the most dangerous period in out history since the 1860s.

Posted by: TheBigOldDog at October 21, 2008 03:44 PM (0oAW0)

3 ABC Ignores Its Own Biden "Testing" Scoop for 24 Hours

They gave the weasel a head start to go hide in his hole.

Posted by: Thomas Dewey '48 at October 21, 2008 03:45 PM (s+2rG)

4 Biden's giving a speech at the moment and stopped to say the teleprompter needs to be faster. Canned speeches are a bummer. Looks like there won't be any Fun With Joe today.

Posted by: swegin at October 21, 2008 03:45 PM (q0Z3p)

5 Dan's getting old. He forgot which side he was on.

Posted by: Steve L. at October 21, 2008 03:47 PM (o0YD+)

6 For a simple media bias test, compare the coverage of whether Joe the Plumber paid his taxes to the coverage of whether House Ways and Means Chairman Charles Rangel paid his taxes.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 21, 2008 03:48 PM (DVVXZ)

7 Firstly... does anyone really doubt it?

That if Obama is elected that someone will test how he will react, test him?

Granted, it was stupid to say, stupid to acknowledge. Because the "common wisdom" is that other countries and various bad-sorts don't have any self-will and only react to what the United States does, and O won't be doing all the wrong stuff that makes them hate us...

Biden seems to have been trying to portray Obama as tough... steel in his spine... for when that inevitable thing happens. I'm just as worried, or more so, about someone who's trying to *act* tough, when the sh*t hits the fan.

Posted by: Synova at October 21, 2008 03:52 PM (NxP4A)

8 For a simple media bias test, compare the coverage of whether Joe the Plumber paid his taxes to the coverage of whether House Ways and Means Chairman Charles Rangel paid his taxes.

Well Rangel isn't running for president, is he?

/MSM

Posted by: JavaMan at October 21, 2008 03:55 PM (f14vX)

9 I call 'em BFM - Bad Faith Media

Posted by: JB at October 21, 2008 03:58 PM (KlSTV)

10 Joe had a dangerous moment of candor vis-a-vis The One. He knows the kid is not ready and this is all a surreal joke.

Posted by: JB at October 21, 2008 04:00 PM (KlSTV)

11 Maybe Biden will be a keynote speaker at the RNC when they nominate Palin.

Seems ridiculous now, but...

Posted by: DM! at October 21, 2008 04:03 PM (MzLox)

Biden's just doing what he always does, puffing himself up like he'll be the steady hand while the kid learns the ropes.

But you guys make a good point: I thought our enemies will love us if we elect Him. Wasn't that the point? That our belligerence--Dubya's belligerence--is the cause of all our issues with tyrants, goofballs and terrorists? And that will end the day He is sworn in, won't it?

Posted by: spongeworthy at October 21, 2008 04:09 PM (a00go)

13 "Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."

I keep getting stuck on this phrase. It means either a) that Obama will do something that common sense (and even the bulk of moonbats) would think is too passive. Or b) something too aggressive. I can't see him managing anything 'too aggressively' - too aggressive for the barking moonbats is: nukes-if-I'm-a-Democratic.

So it means too passive. Several of the potential threats would completely freak people if he responds in a 'too passive' fashion. Is he talking about Iran-is-a-tiny-country invading/attacking Israel? Too passive there would mean the whole thing is settled - with a genocide in the process. Russia? China?

Is there a reason why Obama knows already he'll respond too passively? Has Good Will bought him off on something so concrete as the state of Georgia? Taiwan? Israel? Iraq? WTFF?

Posted by: Al at October 21, 2008 04:11 PM (Lk931)

MSNBC is showing footage from SF not Seattle!

'In reporting on Joe Biden’s controversial statements about the world “testing” a President Obama, MSNBC plays similar but milder audio of statements made by Biden in San Francisco on Saturday and datelines the clip as Seattle, WA. In fact, Biden’s statements during the Seattle fundraiser were more emphatic in nature than those made the previous day.

Posted by: Dave in PB at October 21, 2008 04:31 PM (CTSya)

15 If I may speculate upon a hypothesis, let's assume that Biden wasn't merely bloviating because he enjoys the sound of his own voice but did really have a potential crisis in mind. What crisis is it to which he is referring?

He said that, "We do not have the military capacity, nor have we ever, quite frankly, in the last 20 years, to dictate outcomes. It's so much more important than that. It's so much more complicated than that. And Barack gets it." Therefore it is unlikely that Obama will engage in any military adventurism such as invading Pakistan or Iran, in fact, quite the opposite.

Biden also said that people will say, "'Oh my God, why [is Obama] there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?' We're gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I'm asking you now, I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us. There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision'. Because if you think the decision is sound when they're made, which I believe you will when they're made, they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound." Therefore, he is prepqring us for some incredibly unpopular decision that Obama will make that we little people can't stretch our brains around, that you need to be a strategic genius to understand and to appreciate.

So what could this incredibly unpopular decision, this game changing stroke of genius, be?

My theory: Obama will abandon Israel. The Middle East has been an open sore for sixty years. The only realistic immediate permanent solution, or final solution, is for Israel to go away. And, Obama would argue, if that happens, the primary issue of controversy between us and our Arab/Muslim oil suppliers will have evaporated. They will all love us and practically give the oil to us. And we wouldn't have to really do anything. We wouldn't have to get our hands dirty. We would just sort of look the other way. I mean, our military couldn't fight its way out of a wet paper bag anyway so we couldn't stop Iran from deploying nuclear arms. This is the sort of broad, strategic thinking that little minds, encumbered as they are by prejudice, are incapable of understanding and will likely be extremely unpopular but which, once the dust settles, will leave the US stronger diplomatically, militarily, and economically.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 21, 2008 04:32 PM (DVVXZ)

16 WalrusRex: I think you're right. I think all the "it's not going to be obvious right away that we are right" stuff was code for "we're going to dump Israel the first chance we get".

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at October 21, 2008 04:37 PM (3FVXC)

17 A bit OT:

With all this talk about this is that future crisis, no one has mentioned the most devastating future crisis of all: another terrorist attack on American soil. I guess we can expect every other crisis in the world coming to fruition during the reign of The One, but somehow, that is off the table. Why? Is it a given that the jihadi are in love with Obama, so they would never attack here? That seems unbelievable, since they attack each other. Which brand of Islam does Obama favor? Will the other ramp up their terror attacks? Or will The One simply start paying out jizya to Iran, Syria, Lebanon, the Palestinians, Somolia, Al Queda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, etc. If it's the latter, where will that money come from?

Oh wait, let me guess. The 5% of people who are not eligible for tax cuts will be paying that. Right....

Posted by: shibumi at October 21, 2008 04:39 PM (tZB/c)

18 That if Obama is elected that someone will test how he will react, test him?
So what's to stop all of them from trying something at the same time?

Posted by: andycanuck at October 21, 2008 04:49 PM (oA5PA)

19 The players were reportedly just briefed by the Bush Administration on international affairs and security threats. Biden, the gasbag, had to say something about it as it is his self-importance want. Not only that, he anticipates Obama doing something very wrong because, well, these international crises are crises for a reason. Biden thinks Obama will choose poorly given his audince's leanings. His audience? Seattle, Washington campaign funding sources.

Now, the Obama campaign is spinnning it to mean that "any" President, not just Obama, will be tested. That, of course, is a lie which means that the soundbite was not meant for public consumption. It was a gaffe telegraphing that Team Obama thinks a threat will need to be challenged soon, that that threat will be more likely if not inevitable if Obama is sworn in, and that Obama will do something unpopular. Unpopular to whom? Remember the audience. Unpopular to the Seattle Leftists who would give him money after all of the money that has already been given. Committed Leftists.

That means Obama is going to "steel his spine" and very likely use a military response. That's not what peaceniks would want, but that was the signal Biden just revealed as he lays out the plausible defense of what will be an inevitable attack from the farthest Left. The Right and Centrists probably won't attack Obama because we understand the dangerous world we live in, but the true believers of the Left will not be pleased.

As to which crisis Biden had on the tip of his pointy yet dulled head? Who knows. I'm thinking Putin's satellite he still wants in his orbit. Manufacturing a crisis courtesy Putin would be SOP. Putin knows what McCain will do. He doesn't know what Obama will do, but I suspect he senses naiveté, stupidity, and opportunity.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 21, 2008 04:52 PM (sI5Ho)

20 I'm very curious about what Biden thinks Obama will do that's going to be so unpopular.

Unilateral disarmament? Martial law? Standing by while Israel is destroyed?

Yes, that's wild speculation, but Biden's the one who brought it up.

Posted by: tsj017 at October 21, 2008 05:02 PM (hSSc2)

21 Qwinn and Walrus Rex, my take was that he was speaking in code for military draft and "civilian national security force."

But the lefties in Seattle will support The One ... of course they will. Biden had nothing to worry about. I'm glad he brought it up though.

Posted by: funky chicken at October 21, 2008 05:11 PM (xyyHG)

22 20 I'm very curious about what Biden thinks Obama will do that's going to be so unpopular.

Unilateral disarmament? Martial law? Standing by while Israel is destroyed?

Yes, that's wild speculation, but Biden's the one who brought it up.

The likely policy is bolded.

Lefties think I'm paranoid for saying that I feel Israel is more likely to bomb Iran if Obama is elected...

I feel it's going to happen because they can trust that McCain will stand with them, while Obama is more likely to stab them in the back.

Posted by: BrandonInBatonRouge at October 21, 2008 05:16 PM (iBqpM)

Putin will roll over Obama. Putin's a devious mother. He plays at a different level of strategic thinking than Obama can even conceive of. I suspect he'll humiliate Barry worse than the Ayatollah Khomeini humiliated Jimmy Carter.

From the very beginning I've held the unpopular opinion that Obama is more likely to impulsively use our military than McCain is. I think Obama will feel the need to prove himself. He's arrogant but he knows people don't see him as a credible Commander and Chief. (Hillary and Sarah seem more credible than he does.) He's got chicken-hawk written all over himself.

I didn't think it would be with respect to Israel though. I thought he'd get us mired in a long war in Afghanistan: The place where superpowers go to be humiliated.

Posted by: Tversky at October 21, 2008 05:21 PM (6F6x7)

24 Tversky: "Putin will roll over Obama. Putin's a devious mother..."

Obviously I agree with you. I forgot an obvious tell, too, which should be noted and amended to my previous remarks. Biden said that Obama will be tested like Kennedy. And who tested Kennedy? Yep. The Bear.

That's not to say that several crises won't erupt, but Biden sure seems to be sending signals as I see them that Putin will be a menace right off the bat under Obama. Hell, Putin's a menace now with Bush the Warmonger. Why would Obama give Putin any pause whatsoever?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 21, 2008 05:40 PM (sI5Ho)

25 From the very beginning I've held the unpopular opinion that Obama is more likely to impulsively use our military than McCain is. I think Obama will feel the need to prove himself. He's arrogant but he knows people don't see him as a credible Commander and Chief. (Hillary and Sarah seem more credible than he does.) He's got chicken-hawk written all over himself.

I didn't think it would be with respect to Israel though. I thought he'd get us mired in a long war in Afghanistan: The place where superpowers go to be humiliated.

Posted by: Tversky at October 21, 2008 05:21 PM (6F6x7)

+1

Posted by: funky chicken at October 21, 2008 06:02 PM (xyyHG)

26 Sadly, Limbaugh is playing the wrong quote as well.

Walrus Rex is right. Biden is already on record as telling Israel to suck it up over an Iranian nuke.

Posted by: mrobvious at October 21, 2008 07:32 PM (KMcEY)

27 Barry will use the military the way Clinton did, for photo op attacks and personal aggrandizement air strikes.

And like Clinton in Somalia, the first time he gets slapped on the muzzle he will run howling into the bushes for the rest of his administration...

Posted by: richard mcenroe at October 21, 2008 09:04 PM (yIy7z)

I don't know about the Swegin.

Driving home about 1730 tonight I was listening to him on Fox when he said that there were two important concerns: First, to restore the middle class and Second, and "equally important", to regain the respect of the world.

I friggin lost it. The folks in the cars around me must have thought I was insane and, they would only be half wrong.

What does THAT say for how The One is likely to handle the imminent threat?

Posted by: jmflynny at October 21, 2008 09:08 PM (1W7ZO)

Funky Chicken,

I'm not quite on board with your thoughts as to whether Israel would suffer his ignorance. My thoughts are that it would be one of the first of his betrayals.

As for him being more ready to go to war, I agree.

He is such a tiny little man that if someone walked up to him on the street and pulled his leg just a little to much, he'd likely pull out his dick just to prove his was bigger.

Posted by: jmflynny at October 21, 2008 09:13 PM (1W7ZO)

30 I think the JFK thing may run deep - it's not just Biden's analogy. It's the suit, that B/W photo session, the Berlin rally, the media theme of Mr. Cool versus Mr. Angry (McCain as Nixon anno 1960, roughly), the mega-Peace-Corps idea. Even the mock-classical kitsch ("Vero Possumus", the Temple of Opollo) suggests the early-'sixties Ancient Rome craze (Spartacus! Cleopatra!). And of course Obama is the polished, good-looking Ivy man with the celebrated memoir who still has to break a social barrier to become president, and Republicans were already snarking about Obamalot, and so on. This may all just be for public consumption - but I think it's likely Obama and his deep inner circle really mean it. The early-'sixties JFK era really looks like a magic moment for many Democrats. And it's got to tickle Obama's vanity.

So if worst-case Obama is Chavez Lite - a New Left quasi-fascist - what might Kennedy-impersonator Obama look like? Well, you can't have the late-'sixties radical serpents in the early-'sixties Eden. Conveniently, Kennedy's also the guy who dropped his shady Chicago friends soon after the election - really knifed them, sending RFK after the people who'd got him elected. So you'd expect this Obama to shut out his old hard-left friends for the most part. (After all, what are they going to do about it? To undermine Obama is objectively to support McCain, comrade. No wonder Wright was looking pissy.)

Posted by: anonymous irishman at October 21, 2008 10:44 PM (RctG8)

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