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Quick optimistic update from my BBQ last Saturday.  Joe the plumber was the main political topic (football was the dominate topic) followed by polls and how Obama is gonna win.   Most of the Obama supporters (except one)  were in full attack mode against Joe….until some of the neutrals shut that down by strongly defending Joe against the attacks (with info I dunno where they are getting unless the net is more effective then I think like Joes does not need a license, he has been working for 6 years, he didn’t ask for this he was playing football when Obama stopped him, etc.) and even then attacking Obama for ‘letting that happen.’ 

I even had the opportunity to use a (mangled) Treacher’s line, “Vhere are your Papers!” at one point which drew a nice nervous laugh from the neutrals—and furious looks from an Ozombie.   Not that he will read this but thanks Treacher for jotting that one out.

In general, people were unhappy about Joes fate.   Later, I was talking to just a group of O supports.  During that time, the one Obama supporter who did not join in the political discussions at all later announced that he didn’t know who he was supporting because of what was happened to Joe.  Not that he was going to vote for McCain but maybe he ‘just wouldn’t vote for anyone’ at the presidential level.  After hearing that, the look of shock and horror on the other O supporter’s faces was priceless.  Mind you, I almost did a spit take after hearing someone publicly say that they were no longer supporting Obama.

So, it seems like the race is close to me

 

2 The state has a lien on jtp's property. They will get paid with interest and fines. So, I find this meme that he hasn't paid his taxes disingenuous.

3 I've commented before that I think McCain would benefit by making a good commercial that shows all the things the press ISN'T covering.  It'd be a double-whammy as he'd get a nice slam at the press, as well as being able to show damaging footage from Obama. 

I truly believe that folks would have a visceral reaction to being duped.

4 “Wait a second,” Corn said. “Do you pay your taxes?”

“Yes, I pay my taxes,” the woman said.

“Then you’re better than Joe the Plumber,” Corn said.

That set off a general free-for-all. “I’m going to tell you something,” Munoz yelled at Corn. “I’m better than Obama. Why? Because I’m not associated with terrorists!”

Thank God for Tito the Construction Worker.  David Corn can go to hell.

5 Tito is my hero today.  That response was pure badass.

6 Wait, wait...WAIT. How did this peasant find out what we were up to?

Laypeople know how to use the internet?

7 McCain's words on this are very, very good and get to the heart of a lot of other issues:

"McCain added that Obama’s response to Wurzelbacher — the assertion that it would be best to "spread the wealth around" — made Joe the Plumber "the only person to get a real answer out of Sen. Obama.""

8

From a rhetorical standpoint, the Joe the Plumber incident is an incredible gift for our side. We win on both halves of the equation.

We win by emphasizing what Obama said in his unguarded moment (and there will be zero unguarded moments from here on out) -- he encapsulated his socialist worldview in a way that would NEVER stick to him if McCain or anyone else said it.

We win by allowing the American people to watch the media and liberals absolutely devour an average citizen who by all rights should not even be mentioned any longer. He asked his question, Obama answered. He's giving us all a preview of the Obama Administration and what happens to dissenters.

9 Tito and the Army of Joes kicking elite liberal butt; freakin' LOL awesome. The counter revolution begins...

10

David Corn is a piece of shit.

I'm surprised he got out of their without a busted face after that typical-liberal shitty comment.

11

The MSM need to keep it up. When the network news attracts a smaller audience than HSN and all of the print newspapers fold perhaps then they will get the message.

 

I can see the sign of the times with a homeless talking head on the curb with a sign, will read propaganda out loud for food.

12 Tito + Connie == Hope for November 4

13 Will David Corn help me convince my neighbors to pay my property tax bill?

I'll let David and them shit on my lawn if they need to.

14

Yah. Remember Richard Jewell? I love how the press appoints themselves judge, jury, and executioner, and gets all indignant with folks call 'em on it. Apparently, they think it's their job.

Being accurate, or truthful, or fair . . . not so much.

15

O/T, but my first thought as i woke up this morning, waiting for the babysitting story to break, was to wonder whether Obama will downplay it by saying that his children were only eight years old at the time... 

16

I wonder how that lisping asshole feels about Billy Jeff pardoning the biggest tax cheat in US history?

I guess us little people aren't afforded the same opportunity.

17 We win by allowing the American people to watch the media and liberals absolutely devour an average citizen who by all rights should not even be mentioned any longer.

This guy didn't ask to be a martyr.  We might not have been able to prevent it, but it feels slimy to even appear to be glorying in it.  It's a grim illustration of a fact, it's a necessary lesson, but it sure as hell doesn't feel like a "win."

18

BTW, the race is close. Very close. Obama may win, but that's only going to tighten the race to win in the arena of ideas.

Obama wins, and governs anything like we suspect he is going to, and Democrats lose the house in 2012, and lose ground in the Senate, if not control.

And that's if Republicans don't nationalize the mid-terms. If Republican's nationalize the 2012 elections, then Betty, bar the door.

19

Okay, will somebody who is reading this from the McCain campaign please tell John to take the goddam media's balls out of his mouth and start fucking stomping on them!?

Fuck! Any idiot should have figured out months ago that attacking the media would be the most wildly popular thing any candidate could do!

If you don't have the cojones to do it to your special buddies, John, let Sarah at them!

20

Tito Munoz validates America. He exemplifies everything that is right about this country. David Corn exemplifies everything that is wrong about this country. Thank God for Tito! Where did Rove find him? I'd like to buy him a drink.

 

21

This guy didn't ask to be a martyr.  We might not have been able to prevent it, but it feels slimy to even appear to be glorying in it.  It's a grim illustration of a fact, it's a necessary lesson, but it sure as hell doesn't feel like a "win."

While I agree with you in principle -- it's not like we could stop the MSM from doing their thang, even if we wanted to.

If this was going for us or going against us, all we'd be able to do is watch it happen. They've never paid any attention to what conservatives actually think of their work. It just so happens that in this instance, their exuberant dismantling of an innocent man works in our favor.

So, please, don't get me wrong. I offer no excuses for the MSM treatment of Joe.

22 No doubt Corn's breathless report this morning are all about the angry Republican mob of "Joe the Plumbers".

23 I can identify with Tito Munoz. There are two kinds of people who come to America. First group are those that believe in America, and want a piece of the American dream. These are the people who wait in lines to get legal papers, come here, work their asses off, pay their taxes, and wait year after year for that magic key called Green Card, while the INS caters to the illegals.

Then there are those who don't have any love for America at all. They are here to make a buck. They come here illegally, don't mind if they have to commit crimes to make that buck, exploit all civic services but have no respect for the taxpayer that funds the civic institution. They are the ones who angrily demand amnesty, and call Americans racist for not handing it to them unconditionally.

24 If Glorious Leader wins by 1 vote, it'll be a "massive mandate for hope and change".

That's how the press will spin it.

Even if O! wins, make it as narrow as possibility.  Let them know that this is still a 50/50 nation.

25

19: Okay, will somebody who is reading this from the McCain campaign please tell John to take the goddam media's balls out of his mouth and start fucking stomping on them!?

Fuck! Any idiot should have figured out months ago that attacking the media would be the most wildly popular thing any candidate could do!

If you don't have the cojones to do it to your special buddies, John, let Sarah at them!

Amen sherlock. We are fucking running out of time. People want to know the truth and most Americans do not want to live in a Marxist state and that's what they going to get if Obama gets elected along with a Pelosi/Reid super-majority in Congress.

Hey RNC, will you please start spending that fucking $160M you said you were going to spend 10 days ago?!?!?

26 Joe and Tito - Rove, you magnificent bastard!

One more, and its a hat-trick!

27 They mention Joe to get your mind off "the precious and his big dumb mouth." And his even dumber big ideas.

28 This just shows that the media is attaining their objectives. What is more damaging to Obama, the media's bias, or Obama clearly stating a Socialist tenant as part of his economic policy? Don't let the media take your attention so you ignore what actually happened with Joe and why the media was forced to step in in the first place.

We used to prosecute Marxists in this country, then we spent billions fighting a Cold War with them. Now we're putting them up for the highest political office in the United States.

29 Ras just released a poll on the comment by Obama on redistributing wealth.  44% agree with that statement.  42% disagree.  Broke down along party lines.  Say goodbye to capitalism.  We have been merely holding off socialism.  I wonder if it is the influx of immigrants from socialist countries?

30 So, please, don't get me wrong. I offer no excuses for the MSM treatment of Joe.

Fair enough.  Didn't mean to sound like I was snapping at you, this whole train wreck is just so goddamned nauseating.

I mean I know most of you already grasped this, but there are people out there who actually believe Joe was an RNC plant, despite the evidence of their own eyes, despite the insane improbability against their messiah voluntarily choosing the exact person the RNC planted.

They completely disregard any reality that doesn't agree with them.  They have assumed each and every aspect of cult.  There's a clinical term for someone who deliberately chooses a comfortable fantasy over an indisputable reality.  And it doesn't bode well for the aftermath of this election.

31
David Corn? Commie apologist. A guy that far left ought to stand out, but no, in the press, he is mainstream.

Sad

32 Thank God for Tito! Where did Rove find him?

You owe me a keyboard, pendejo!
Oh man, most excellent belly laugh there.
Thanks.

33 It's finally blowing up in the face...Finally!

34 Just remember, the "Joe the Plumbers" out there have guns and know how to use them. The liberal elite are scared of guns. Strong horse always defeats weak horse.

35 I agree with #1

It's definitely pulled people away from Obambi. It's also shut down a lot of The One's supporters.   Talk amongst all my friends last weekend was very pro-Joe. 

36 I was thinking about the vetting the media site - perhaps make it like Snopes for reference.  I dont trust Wikipedia to allow much in the way of showing up the media jerks, but Snopes is very respected as a means of counteracting some viral rumor that gets passed around from time to time.  If a site vetting the media treats the information that it obtains the same way as Snopes, it could be very useful.

37 Wait a minute.  David Corn thinks Joe the Plumber doesn't pay taxes?  Is this something the lefty press dredged up in Joe's media anal exam?  Or is David Corn just making shit up?

38 Aw, shit.  I'm falling for the media's misdirection play to distract everyone from the real issue, which is Obamarx's reply to Joe that he is going to spread around the wealth.  Note to self: keep focused on the fact that Obie's a Marxist 

39 He meant the tax lien thing.  But of course, that's apparently already been paid, so...

40 Sue, immigrants from socialist countries are often those most aware of the evils of Marxism, and most appreciative of free capitalist society & the opportunities it provides. I'd say we have more of a problem due to bad education (soft Marxist, pro-socialist, anti-capitalist PC, distorted sense of history & economics) in our own schools.

41

The civil war has already begun, about 2 weeks early. 

and I'm Dave from Texas!!!  (stands up to be crucified)

42 I love that Tito brought his papers because he knew damn well that Our Glorious Fifth Estate would make it an issue if he didn't.

Also, it's wicked easy to get a tax lien smacked against you.  I managed to screw up my taxes two years running (dude, I never said that I could do math) and, if I owned a house, there would be a lien right now, even though I paid the back taxes, with the lovely interest and fees, within about 6 weeks of being notified about the problem.  The IRS gets to lien first and ask questions later.  So if you're fighting with the IRS about how much you owe, that lien is going to show up if you don't pay immediately.  There's also the issue that once it's paid, the IRS isn't in all that much of a hurry to make sure that it's taken off.  Not to mention that if the Ohio register of deeds office is anything like the ones here, well, it's a miracle that they knew where Joe's house was in the first place.  That's why the tax lien thing isn't a huge issue to me. 

But, hey, since Our New Media Overlords claim it's a huge thing, then the guy on Obama's staff with them is totally fair game. 

Crap, I don't have a radio at work, I'd love to hear Rush smack people around with this today.  No, I can't stream it, that creates network issues here and since I'd have to fix it, it's not worth the bother.

43 They completely disregard any reality that doesn't agree with them.  They have assumed each and every aspect of cult.  There's a clinical term for someone who deliberately chooses a comfortable fantasy over an indisputable reality.  And it doesn't bode well for the aftermath of this election.

That's not depressing at all.  Time to hit the Nyquil! 

44 29 Ras just released a poll on the comment by Obama on redistributing wealth.  44% agree with that statement.  42% disagree.  Broke down along party lines.  Say goodbye to capitalism.  We have been merely holding off socialism.  I wonder if it is the influx of immigrants from socialist countries?

Contentions says this:

Maybe Joe the Plumber does matter. From Rasmussen: “Eighty-five percent (85%) of Republicans say either McCain or Joe the Plumber best understands the realities they face. Seventy-nine percent (79%) of Democrats say Obama does. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 50% pick McCain or Joe while 38% name Obama.”

45

David Corn is a piece of shit.

I'm surprised he got out of their without a busted face after that typical-liberal shitty comment.

But that would be a "hate crime" against Davie Cornhole.

46 My 2 cents worth - I came from a Muslim country where socialism with a twist is practiced. With a twist because the non-Muslims never get to hold high positions and are taxed higher so that their wealth can be re-distributed to the Muslims. In other words, if you are not born into wealth or connected and you are not a Muslim, you will never get anywhere in life. I came to the USA with 2 suitcases and $100.00 in my wallet and God bless this country because 10 years later, I have a very comfortable life, everything I have ever wanted. There is no country on earth like America and she is truly welcoming to anyone who has a dream and is willing to work hard to make them a reality. I pray that Americans will realize this and not decide to walk the failed path of socialism.

47 I like this little exchange at the end. Nice gaffe from Corn.

“Let me talk,” Munoz said to Corn. “I know the Constitution, and I know my First Amendment — ”

“I’m not the state,” Corn said. “I can’t take that right away from you.”

“No, no,” Munoz shot back. “Even the state, the state cannot take that right away.”

“Right, right,” Corn quickly agreed.

Emphasis me. Heheh. If you were the state, *would you*, Mr. Corn?
Realistically, he didn't mean that, but it's a fun twist.

48 “Wait a second,” Corn said. “Do you pay your taxes?”
“Yes, I pay my taxes,” the woman said.
“Then you’re better than Joe the Plumber,” Corn said.

So,  if David Berkowitz and Jeffery Dahmer paid their taxes, that would make them better than Joe the Plumber? Liberal, BS. I wonder how many fucks in the media could withstand the scrutiny they put Joe under.

49 Working class Obama supporters are so vested in Team O they can't see beyond the political divide - The fact that Joe was viciously attacked by the media for simply stating a personal belief escapes them.

Its all about getting their guy to the goal line and it matters not who gets run over on the way to the win.

I know an Irish Catholic family with two plumbers ( brothers both licensed) and one sister works as an accountant for a general contractor - all of them are Obama supporters and none of them felt any remorse at what the media did to Joe.

They all believe in Obama socialism and nothing will stop them from supporting the democrat ticket.

50 Where are the commercials?

At this point, they need to be short and sharp.

Find brave people like Munoz. Have a commercial that has them face the camera and say: :I'm Tito Munoz. I work in construction. I came to America to build my dream. Barak Obama's policy to spread my money around will destroy that dream.

Have other people from other professions say the same sort of thing, wrap up with Joe the Plumber.

End.

Do it now, Mac, while the iron is hot. Don't try to lose gracefully.

51 After writing this nasty little turd of a column on Joe the Plumber last week, SFGate (SF Chronicle) political reporter Carla Marinucci wrote a blog entry this morning, criticizing Sarah Palin for not holding a press conference and stating that politicians should "make themselves accessible to questions."

That was just too fucking rich.  The comment I left (with minor mistype corrected here):

Maybe the problem is that Ms. Palin hasn't completely vetted the background and credentials of people who would ask her questions at a press conference.

I mean, given your (both the media in general and you specifically, Carla) treatment of "Joe the Plumber" last week, apparently that's the standard now, isn't that right? The politician's answers aren't that important, but we do need to know everything about anyone asking questions of them so that we can determine whether those are valid or not.

I imagine Governor Palin will be happy to hold a press conference just as soon as every reporter fully discloses what their real first name is; whether they've ever lived in Arizona, Alaska, Chicago or Hawaii; whether they have any outstanding tax liabilities; whether they've ever used drugs; whether they've ever had an extramarital affair or an abortion; and whether their teenage children are sexually active. Only then can we evaluate their questions while ignoring her answers to them.

Or is that only the rule for people who ask tough questions for Barack Obama??

52 fuck you, Corn.

You are all forgiving about people who can't even pay for their fucking house that they knowingly bought without the ability to pay.

yet if someone cannot pay the taxman--the guys who decide for themselves how much of Joe's fucking money they deserve, they are not worth hearing?

Fuck you. I got an Indian costume here and will have a fucking tea party on your sorry ass.

53 Reiver: If he's making shit up, does that make it corn shit?

Also, that Rasmussen data is just depressing. I've been trying to inoculate my kids against their eventual hardcore communist brainwashing in college by explaining it to them young. The problem is that on it's face, it sort of sounds nice: "No one lives in poverty. We just take a little from the rich (who can spare it) and give it to people who don't have enough. It makes perfect sense!" They don't even get to the next steps, which are 1) the people you give it to waste it, so you have to keep taking more each time; and 2) eventually you destroy all incentives for wealth creation.

We need to face it that most people just don't give a shit, and think that things will keep trucking along nicely like they always have been since they were kids. They have no conception that the wrong people in government enacting the wrong rules and laws can wreck this country.

54 I eagerly await Corn's in depth expose of Charlie Rangel's tax fraud...

55

I wish they had gotten this exchange on video.

Is David any relation to Sandy Von Butt Corn?

56 55 I wish they had gotten this exchange on video.

In the photo of Corn and Tito posted with the story, the man next to Byron is filming the exchange with a Flip video camera.  I don't know if he was a member of the press, recording it for use while writing a story (presumably what Byron was doing with his audio recorder) or a member of the crowd.  Maybe Byron would know.

57 Alex:  check the sidebar item.  Palin has given repeated impromptu question sessions with her press entourage.  Both Biden and Zero, on the other hand, haven't fielded a question in weeks.

I other words, it's another dirty lie.

58 I think I have mentioned it before, but I will again. The Left of today does what it does because 30 years of PC BS makes it impossible for boys to fight. Almost every single one of these sanctimonious a-holes could stand a good ass kicking. It is obvious to me that they have never taken a punch. I'm 43. When I was young, if someone popped off, he got his ass kicked or at least got into a scrap. Today, no such thing occurs. Leftist pussies can pop off without fear of a deserved beating. Hell, half of today's parents don't even discipline their kids when they pop off.

59

IC-

 

Thanks for your inspirational post, you rock man!

60 What the hell is the other Joe talking about?  Nutjobs have no problem with Biden running his mouth about national security.  WTF.

61 Terry Tate smackdown. Very funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07kO9TtHYzQ

62

I went to the Woodbridge rally.  It was only announced on Wednesday, so we made quick plans to attend.  Gates open at 1, started at 2.  We arrived at 1:30, only to wait on a line that was easily a mile long, and we waited over an hour to get in the gate.  It was nearly 3 when we got in, and the end of the line behind us was out of sight.  We couldn't get anywhere near the seating area, we ended up in a crowd on an upper courtyard.  I never saw the stage, or even McCains face.  But we had a good time and he gave a good speech. Joe the Plumber was on everyones mind, people were carrying plungers and signs everywhere about him.  He clearly has struck a nerve among conservatives.   

I have been looking since Saturday for some sort of estimate of the crowd size, but have not seen it.  But the bottom line, even here in Democrat dominated Northern Virginia, a few days notice brings out tens of thousands of McCain supporters at the least. Until Saturday I felt like there were very few McCain supporters around me.  Now I know that most of the cars without Obama stickers are probably McCain supporters.  We just don't want our cars keyed! 

63 The Raleigh News & observer jumped on Joe as well. front Page. Does anyone remember DUKE LACROSSE? I can't believe we kept our subscription this long. Canceling at once.

64 He's giving us all a preview of the Obama Administration and what happens to dissenters.

That message needs to get out there. It's one of the things that scares me most about Obama's thugs.

65 Note in the article I posted above, Joe says, "I've forgotten more about foreign policy than most of my collegues know ...." Sounds like a great ad for Mac.

66 My 2 cents worth

Your 2 cents are worth more than you'll ever know. 

Among those not affiliated with either major party, 50% pick McCain or Joe while 38% name Obama.�

So we have another generation to go before it actually happens.

67 Here is the photo of Corn and Tito.  In it, there is a man with a press badge filming with what appears to be a video camera to Corn's right.  The man on Corn's left is filming with a Flip USB video camera.

The microphone says IFC News.  The only IFC I could think of was the Independent Film Channel, and oddly enough that is who IFC News is.  Of course this story does not appear on their site.

68

IC at October 20, 2008 11:00 AM (jZNCU)

As an American whose grandparents came from other countries, I love these testimonials.

69 Yo soy Tito!

70
I have enough life experience to know that when a person in a position of authority says something like "it's not that I want to punish you for your success" what he really means is that he's going to punish you for your success.

71 I suspect Corn wanted to get smacked around (to feed Teh Narrative about boorish violent McCain supporters) and that's part of why he was such an a-hole.  Kudos to Tito and crew for not doing it.

72 I eagerly await Corn's in depth expose of Charlie Rangel's tax fraud

They are the state. 

73 IC, welcome to America. Its Malaysia's loss.

74

"Kudos to Tito and crew for not doing it."

I prolly woulda done it for them...

75

"Is David any relation to Sandy Von Butt Corn?"

WHO TOLE YA DAT?

WHO TOLE YA DAT?

WHO TOLE YA DAT?

76

i have no clue why you guys say Senator Government will win. Why? Because the media who has lied to us for the past 2 years says so?

Are you going to let the poeple decide? Or the media?
Senator Government will not win, mark my words. Joe the 6-term senator just today on ABC said that because of Senator Government's lack of experience he will be tested constantly by other countries. Great VP huh?

We will win. The only way we lose is if everyone gives up like a bunch of democrats did on Iraq. Are you guys quitters?

I know you will say but McCain this and that. It is YOU that votes. I heard Ace blame McCain for the possibility of losing seats. How is it up to McCain to throw all you whiners on his back plus the candidates of the party and carry you across.

You seem to forget that POEPLE decide elections. The press is filling your heads up and baiting all of you. McCain will win.

77 In it, there is a man with a press badge filming with what appears to be a video camera to Corn's right.  The man on Corn's left is filming with a Flip USB video camera.

Strike that, reverse it.

78 Corn is asking the wrong person about paying taxes....... As I recall, N.Y. Rep Charlie Rangle evaded tax on $75,000 of rental income. Not a word about that from the MSM...Naturally.

79 Any chance this video will surface??

80 Munoz chimed in. “You’re attacking me.”

Yes, they are. And they're being called on it too.

Posted by: Dave In Texas

"They" are not being called on attacking citizens by their press peers. Only citizens like Munoz are calling the press on their bigotry to their face.

"From afar" (as Glen Johnson put it about Palin/SNL), the right wing blogs and radio personalities are calling the press on their LACK OF INTEGRITY and refusal to give equal coverage to conservatives.

Sean Hannity points out the sad reality that 2008 marks the official death of the free American press.

Pelosi Inc. will cinch the official death of our First Amendment Rights.

Obama rode off leaving instructions for his media thugs  to whip, tar and feather Joe The Plumber and any American voter who just won't quit standing up for our rights. The thugs have not apologized. And Obama has not repudiated them.

81

He got a coveted spot in the bleachers directly behind McCain, where he could be seen in the camera shot

Meanwhile, which candidate moved minorities and put white women behind him at some campaign events?

82 While I too am beyond disturbed about the non stop media bias and abuse during this campaign, ( I cancelled my subscription to the local rag and sent jtp $5), I do fear that his could back fire in a big way once the Fairness Doctrine rears it's ugly head.

Be aware, we could be playing into the libtards hands.  And the main targets in it's sites are the internet and am radio, precisely because they have become so effective.....

83

Mother Jones tool David Corn thought this would be a good time to defend the press coverage, including the brilliant suggestion to a black woman that she is better than Joe because she pays her taxes.

Just makes me want to know if Corn has ever been late with his taxes or has any other issues. I need to know if I'm a better person then he is.

84 58 I think I have mentioned it before, but I will again. The Left of today does what it does because 30 years of PC BS makes it impossible for boys to fight. Almost every single one of these sanctimonious a-holes could stand a good ass kicking. It is obvious to me that they have never taken a punch. I'm 43. When I was young, if someone popped off, he got his ass kicked or at least got into a scrap. Today, no such thing occurs. Leftist pussies can pop off without fear of a deserved beating. Hell, half of today's parents don't even discipline their kids when they pop off. I have to disagree with this notion. Bullying someone because you oppose of their views is fascist. We need to win the battle of ideas by making more convincing arguments, not by brutality. We are criticizing the Obamaites for being repressive and trying to stifle debate . What you are saying is hypocritical.

85 IC - Welcome!  We're thrilled you're here. 

I'd love to see the video of this, it's bound to turn up sooner or later.  Though if it makes Corn look bad, then I'm better on later. 

86

They" are not being called on attacking citizens by their press peers. Only citizens like Munoz are calling the press on their bigotry to their face.

I'm glad to see you use the word bigotry. I have seen, over and over, this election cycle the bigotry of the left. Every story or video on republicans is anwered with the derisive shout of "REDNECK!" Joe the plumber is everything the left hates: white, rural and blue collar.

 

87

84 58 I think I have mentioned it before, but I will again. The Left of today does what it does because 30 years of PC BS makes it impossible for boys to fight. Almost every single one of these sanctimonious a-holes could stand a good ass kicking. It is obvious to me that they have never taken a punch. I'm 43. When I was young, if someone popped off, he got his ass kicked or at least got into a scrap. Today, no such thing occurs. Leftist pussies can pop off without fear of a deserved beating. Hell, half of today's parents don't even discipline their kids when they pop off.

 

I have to disagree with this notion. Bullying someone because you oppose of their views is fascist. We need to win the battle of ideas by making more convincing arguments, not by brutality. We are criticizing the Obamaites for being repressive and trying to stifle debate . What you are saying is hypocritical.

Oops

Needed to seperate my post from his.

88

Corn on why he is a Journo-

"You perform a public service that is not bound by rules of government," he said. "You can poke your nose in other people's lives; you have a license to ask people questions."

89 Hell, I'm voting for Tito Munoz.

90 Fresh email from the McCain Campaign:

How are you "Joe the Plumber"?
Tell us in 30 seconds...

We want you to tell us how you are "Joe the Plumber" and why you're supporting John McCain and Sarah Palin in thirty seconds. You could even see your video as an official McCain TV ad.

By now, "Joe the Plumber" is a household name and has become a symbol of Barack Obama's plan to "spread the wealth around." During a recent campaign event in Toledo, Ohio, "Joe the Plumber" asked a simple question and got a surprising answer from the Democratic nominee. When he asked why Barack Obama's tax plan was going to punish him for working hard and living the American Dream, Barack Obama responded, "When you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

In that brief exchange, the American people got to see what this campaign is all about ... a choice between honoring the hard work of everyday Americans like "Joe the Plumber" and increasing taxes to "spread the wealth." In these tough economic times, there is no doubt that John McCain and Sarah Palin stand firmly on the side of hardworking "everyday Joes" who understand the value of honest work and the American Dream.

That's why we want to hear from you and share your story with the American public. It's simple ... make an ad telling us why you are "Joe the Plumber" in 30 seconds and we'll put the best ad on the air as a TV ad.

Share your story of living the American Dream, working hard, or owning a small business to tell America why you're standing with John McCain and Sarah Palin. Click here today to learn more and submit your video before Friday, October 24th.

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91 The interesting thing is that journalists see their job as browbeating voters into supporting The One rather than actually reporting.  Thanks for pointing that out Mr. Corn.

92 I thought that the Joe the Plumber issue might blow over pretty quickly, but last night I was at my parents house for dinner and my mother who has been an Obama supporter was pissed at how JtP is being treated.  Not only that but she heard Alec Baldwin calling Sarah Palin Caribou Barbie on SNL and that set her off also. 

The media's overarching elitism may actually end up costing Obama the election if she is any indication. 

93 Flaming skull Ace.  Go to Polipundit on the most recent thread and check out post #74.

94 I believe David Corn has just nominated himself for a grassroots background investigation?  Would love to see his tax records, educational background, etc...

95 I know you will say but McCain this and that. It is YOU that votes. I heard Ace blame McCain for the possibility of losing seats. How is it up to McCain to throw all you whiners on his back plus the candidates of the party and carry you across.

You seem to forget that POEPLE decide elections. The press is filling your heads up and baiting all of you. McCain will win.

Posted by: ppp at October 20, 2008 11:47 AM (zzms

awesome

96

IC, have you considered contacting one of the local Republican offices?

The problem with IC's story, despite that it's true (and there are even scarier stories from, say, Christian Copts out of Egypt), Republicans don't want to hear about Muslim mistreatment of people they dismiss as dhimmi.

Republicans have known about Odinga for years, for instance. Why they haven't run stories about Odinga's massacres about Kikuyu - who are genetically the same as American blacks - in black radio markets is puzzling to me. Obama isn't one of them; in fact, he has abetted the death and subjugation of more blacks than Wallace and Connor combined.

97

I was there, I watched the entire exchange.  David Corn was a complete and utter condescending douchebag, and let me tell you, Tito is indeed a badass.  So was Connie the Jamaican woman, and a couple of other people who threw down with Corn. 

It was great.

98 David Ross (#96) - That is a great suggestion and I will do that. I live in Southern California where Obama stickers are everywhere! However, from our balcony we have a HUGE McCain 2008 banner up and McCain-Palin stickers on our car (the first one I had on my jeep was torn off but I just keep putting them back on). Our Obama supporting neighbor tried complaining about the McCain banner to the HOA, but they just told him to live with it as home owners are allowed to put up whatever they want on their balconies! Hah!

99

I was born in Colombia, but I was made in the U.S.A.

That's fucking beautiful.

100 Obama is a moron.  "Hey, I'm winning on all levels right now because of the economy.  That is my sledgehammer."  Average citizen asks a question.  "Hey, McCain, here is my sledgehammer.  Why don' t you use it for the rest of the election?"  What a moron.

101

GOTHAM-TO-OHIO VOTE SCAM EYED
NYERS’ HOME AWAY FROM HOME PROBED AS A FRAUD OUTPOST

Comment By JEANE MacINTOSH

Last updated: 10:07 am
October 20, 2008

Four well-heeled New York Democrats are under investigation by an Ohio prosecutor for setting up a temporary home in the swing state - where two have already cast their ballots - just so that their votes will be counted there, The Post has learned.

The targets of the probe - including the daughter and son-in-law of a New York City real-estate titan, a former New York Sun reporter and a Bank of New York Mellon executive - are connected to Vote From Home, a Manhattan-based political action committee set up to get voters to the polls in Ohio, where residents are allowed to cast ballots 29 days before Election Day, investigators said.

NYPOST

102 Hmmmm.

Mr. Munoz had a really terrific line there.

Born in Colombia
Made in the USA

You can't argue against that.

103 nice article, phoenixrisen

104

oh, and the guy with the flip camera was some Eurojournalist.  The little POS from IFC news, him you can see over top of Tito's hardhat. 

I took video that day.  I'll see if I got some of this particular exchange.

105 MamaAJ: "Meanwhile, which candidate moved minorities and put white women behind him at some campaign events"

Yeah, I've been noting the stagecraft, too.

Over the weekend, I saw (on cable) Obama at a rally where the front row behind Senator Government was populated by 45-ish year old white, generally husky, men. Behind them were mostly white women and a few women of color. It was in the main "made for TV" snippet that Obama was mocking Joe the Plumber.

So, while the authentic Joe the Plumber is to be mocked, Team Obama is constructing its own "Joebama the Plumber" to try and grab the narrative. Seems a rather odd way to discredit a man when you turn around and use tinkertoys to recreate the same man. And by odd, I mean wholly disingenuos and typical of Obama.

Like Sarahcuda, Joe the Plumber has struck yet another chord with the American electorate, one that cannot be manufactured by astroturfing, Axelrod, and Obama. Joe was a HUGE gift to the election. Only he was able to pierce Obama's economic facade, something hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of man hours couldn't do. Two unguarded minutes and a handful of words.

Amazing. Obama doomed himself. I don't think even the MSM (aka Obama's plumbers) can bail him out of this one.

106 "I was born in Columbia but made in America" is brilliant.

107

Anyone get a video of this?

This would be great on air.

 

108 In that second page picture of the Corn-Munoz exchange, someone is holding up an RCA "Small Wonder" video camera to video record Munoz. Those are the standard handheld cameras handed out by the McCain campaign to their volunteers and campaign staff. Someone should have video tape of it.

109 Hell, I'm voting for Tito Munoz.

Tito reminds me of the construction worker on the bus in Speed (the one who pulled Keanu Reaves out from under the bus). Tito is helping to pull Joe the Plumber out from under the media bus.

110 I love it!  At every rally, conservatives need to, as Obama put it, get in their (the media's) faces.

Time for some press vetting.  Ask them why they have dug up more into Joe the Plumber's past than they have Obama's.  And record it for posting on YouTube.

Let's make every press event a hostile environment for the press.  Let's make THEM start answering questions.

111

First a small bit of good news.  When I was talking with a friend who is a staunch B.O. supporter over the weekend, she let it slip that she believed that B.O. would lose this election (she was very sincere and very sad).  I thanked her for her candor.  What I am saying is, simply ask an Obama supporter in a non-confrontational way who they really think will win this election.  You may be very surprised at what they think.  Also, what is it with this nonsense about "Catholics" supporting B.O.   I AM FED UP with Cafeteria Catholics who defacto support late term abortion (or any other kind of abortion/murder) by voting for B.O.  They can say they are Catholic till the cows come home, but they really are not.  If they are confused at all, they should consult their parish priest and he will be happy to counsel them in this matter.

http://tinyurl.com/3sv2oy

112 Wurzelbacher/Munoz '24!

113 At some point the owners of the MSM may decide that this is getting too embarassing a situation to be a part of as abetting agents.
Attempt at massive voter fraud by Obama's allies, ACORN.
High-grade if blatant dissembling from Obama.
His work with Ayers: $150 mil. spent on groups (not schools) with no education gain - surely, " follow the money"
His endorsement of various crooked politicians.
Frank Marshall (nm?), Rezko,Wright, Mansouri (?)
Community organising and Alinsky
etc.

Still no real curiosity from the MSM. This is all dismissed as transparent attempts at character assasination.

What is Obama's relationship with Ayers, Wright and Marshall?
How close in valence is he with any of them?
Maybe he spends a lot of time non-confrontationally challenging their violent, racist and communist notions, respectively.

I know that the MSM suddenly reversing directions and turning its critical attention on Obama might appear shameless and brazen, but these guys are pros and have been handling that kind of pressure well for some time.

114 I work two full time jobs, run a small buisness  am a US Navy Veteran and consider myself the luckiest guy on the planet.  yet I bow to Tito Munoz for expressing so beautfully the anger that I have felt the past couple of days.  Born in Colombia made in the USA, on target-fire for effect!!!  The arrogance of the media towards those of us who wear the blue collar has always been astounding, yet now the mask is slipping off, we can see our enemies true nature.  We make this nation great-we build the infrastructure, run the farms, and do all of the millions of tasks that need to be done to keep this nation great.  The media, to steal a line from Churchill "is nothing but the scum floating on top of a molten river of production"  We, the Joe's, Tino's Connies Bobs etc are and always will be America.  Every fifty years we build this nation, tear it down and build it again.  The greatness lies within us.

115 I'm a O supporter and  20yr vet. O did not attack  JOE. But let face reality O'S tax plan help all the Joe's . Taxes paid for the bailout, sry redistrubution of the  wealth to the rich. I'm a electrician hoping to own my own bussines one day like Joe. So the tax break will help me in that matter. Like Joe i need a license first and 50,000 in capital to take the  test for a state lincense. So a tax increase on those making more than 250,000 will not harm my bussiness " once I get  1" being a small bussiness owner. Next voter  fraud is wrong  period, no matter what party . It under scores our nation as a whole. Now trying to say a senator is a terrorist is  just out right fraudelent.  Dirty politics we  are all use to, but  lets keep it to a reality. 

116 Another Malaysian reading Ace? Excellent!

Count me in that army of JTPs, is all I can say.

117

Otis, NO ONE has said Obama is a terrorist. They have said he hangs out with one. Would you have Bill Ayers in you home? Would you go to his?

Do you really believe that O don't know that the media are after Joe? Why hasn't he told those sypathetic to him to lay off? In fact he has done the opposite- ridiculing Joe in his appearances.

An average Ameracan asked a pol a question and then was savaged for it. That's not right and shouldn't be allowed to stand.

118 otis, before you comment here we're going to need to see your voter registration, tax records, and business license.

119

"50,000 in capital to take the  test for a state lincense"

 

Wait a minute.  In what state do you need $50K to sit for a licensure exam?

120

When you read of that kind of passion and affection for the country that we too often take for granted, it truly is inspiring. He came here, he worked his ass off, and made a better life for himself. And now, not only does he defend another, he believes so strongly in the possibility of this nation that he encourages another to "do even better" than he.

I mean, really. People speak of love of nation, then there are those who exemplify love of nation.

Thank God for the Titos of this world.

121 Tito is awesome.  Tito the Builder.  Kick ass!



Now, onto a more pressing topic:


Can we request smarter mobies?  These fucktard kospobots seem to be getting dumber by the day.


It's like having a conversation with Dr. Sbaitso


Poor quality programming, maybe.  O! better use some of his 150mil to hire better coders. 

122 104

oh, and the guy with the flip camera was some Eurojournalist.  The little POS from IFC news, him you can see over top of Tito's hardhat. 

I think that 'the little POS from IFC news' is Will Rabbe. Looks like this one is goin' down the memory hole.

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