It's the Answer, Stupid

"Progress, Comrades!

Treacher has a good reminder: the media furor over Joe the Plumber isn't about Joe the Plumber. It's about making people forget that Barack Obama said this:

"It's not that I want to punish your success. I want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success, too. My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

In the eyes of the media, if destroying Joe is what it takes to get Obama elected, then so be it.

Broken eggs and omelets. By any means necessary. That's the Obama way.

Posted by: Slublog at 08:47 AM

Comments

1

Treacher answers the inevitable next bit of nonsense in Good question"

""What, exactly, is so awful about 'spreading the wealth'?"

Oh, nothing.

Now that we've cleared that up, Mr. Cohn, I'll take yours. Gimme. I haven't earned it, but it's not fair that you have more than I do. Hand it over. No, you don't have any choice in the matter. No, you don't even know me. No, you don't know what I'm going to spend your money on. It's none of your business. Obama said I could have it. What are you, a racist? Cough it up. Show a little patriotism. There we go."

Posted by: Looking Glass at October 20, 2008 08:53 AM (5rpDo)

2 Please McCain campaign say this today on the stump...enough with stale rhetoric.

Posted by: free at October 20, 2008 08:57 AM (cFwGO)

3 Once upon a time, on a government subsidized farm in Chicago, there was a little red hen who scratched about the barnyard until she uncovered quite a few grains of wheat.

She called all of her neighbors together and said, "If we plant this wheat, we shall have tasty bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?"

"Not I," said the cow.
"Not I," said the goose.
"Not I," said the pig.
"Not I," said the skinny pencil-necked crow.

"Then I will do it by myself," said the little red hen. And so she did; and the wheat grew very tall and ripened into golden grain.

"Who will help me reap my wheat?" asked the little red hen.

"Not I, I busy watching Oprah and Jerry Springer" said the cow.
"I'm busy forging voter's registrations for ACORN" said the pig.
"I just got my Welfare check and heading out to buy some Lotto tickets," said the goose.
"Above my pay grade," said the crow, looking up from reading the Koran.

"Then I will do it by myself," said the little red hen, and so she did.

At last it came time to bake the bread. "Who will help me bake the bread? Asked the little red hen.

"I'm heading out to listen to Rev. Wright give another inspirational speech" said the cow.
"I'd lose my welfare benefits if I worked," said the goose.
"I'm too tired from playing mid-night basketball all night" said the pig.
"Asking the Black Bird to help, that's racist," said the crow's racist wife.

"Then I will do it by myself," said the little red hen. She baked five loaves and held them up for all of her neighbors to see. They wanted some and, in fact, demanded a loaf each. But the little red hen said, "No, I shall keep all five loaves as I did all of the work this year to earn them."

"Excess profits!" cried the cow.
"Capitalist leech!" screamed the goose.
"That's racist, I demand reparations!" yelled the crow.
The pig just grunted in disdain. And they all headed down to ACORN to complain, and ACORN had their community organizer come. His name was Barrack, and he said to the little red hen, "You must not be so greedy, it is Patriotic to spread the wealth."

"But I earned the bread," said the little red hen.

"Exactly," said the community organizer. "That is what makes our new 2009 Socialist system so wonderful. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our new tax code, the 5% productive workers must "spread the wealth" with the 95% losers who are now lazy and idle. Its the patriotic thing to do!"

So, to the moral of this little story. Vote for Barrack, unless you are too chicken to do so, all you loafers.

Posted by: Cromagnum at October 20, 2008 09:01 AM (UxAb/)

4 <BODY>Something New Here
Radical? Check. Tied to ACORN? Check. Redistributionist? Check.

By Stanley Kurtz NRQ October 20, 2008 6:00 AM

During his first campaign for the Illinois state senate in 1995-96, Barack Obama was a member of, and was endorsed by, the far-left New Party. Obama’s New Party ties give the lie to his claim to be a post-partisan, post-ideological pragmatist.

<BODY>

http://tinyurl.com/58s2oz

Posted by: Kirsten Powers at October 20, 2008 09:05 AM (cvqqr)

5 Is anyone anywhere seeing McCain ads on TV? I haven't seen one in forever. Even on McCain's web site, the only new one is "Fight"; the rest are a bunch of stale oldies. Geraghty seems to think Obama has bought up all the available spots.

I was expecting an ad blitz from McCain in the last couple of weeks. What's going on with his advertising? You can't win on stump speeches alone.

Posted by: Jim at October 20, 2008 09:13 AM (/Mtjv)

6 I fear we may already be beyond saving. Check out a story at Hot Air showing a Rasmussen link saying that 63% of Americans are totally cool with "spreading the wealth".

Posted by: EC at October 20, 2008 09:13 AM (7zqkl)

7 EC - That number is for voters under 30 only. Overall, this is what Rasmussen has to say:

Forty-four percent (44%) of voters agree with Obama’s statement while 42% disagree in a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey.

While bad, I think people tend to get a bit more conservative on this issue when they move into a higher income bracket and thus get chomped a bit harder by the tax beast.

Posted by: Slublog at October 20, 2008 09:20 AM (R8+nJ)

8 Not to be an Eeyore, but I am extremely discouraged in trying to beat the Democratic Party, the entire national media establishment, and the 50% of morons in this country that don't recognize Antonin Scalia but sure as hell recognize Judge Judy.

How can this possibly be defeated? I feel like Sisyphus at this point, and frankly, I'm worn out. I imagine that's probably in Alinsky's playbook too, "Stay in their face until they give up."

Fuuuuuuck.

Posted by: SarahGroupie at October 20, 2008 09:20 AM (/8WV2)

9 Do 63% of Americans understand that when obama says spreading the wealth around he means spreading YOUR wealth around?

After looking at their piss poor charitable donations and dirt poor relatives, Lord knows the Obamas don't spread THEIR wealth around.

Posted by: Thomas Dewey '48 at October 20, 2008 09:22 AM (MKM35)

10 Maybe that's why Osama needs our money--to give it to his relatives in Kenya. And I don't mean this to be a racist comment; Barack Hussein Obama isn't helping his own family, but expects the rest of America to do it for him.

Posted by: kelley in virginia at October 20, 2008 09:26 AM (ioTid)

11 Why does no one get that wealth cannot be spread around? You can spread money around easily enough, but not wealth. The moment it's taken, it ceases to be wealth, since it could just as easily be taken again.

Posted by: leoncaruthers at October 20, 2008 09:28 AM (SHR5S)

I like Rush Limbaugh's idea of making people think about taxes:

Let employers pay people their GROSS wages with no withholding whatsoever. Then, people are sent a bill from the local, state, and federal government for their taxes, and they have to write a check just like they do for a utility bill. Have each "bill" break down in line item fashion exactly what the money is spent on.

That'll be a surefire eye-opener.

Posted by: EC at October 20, 2008 09:28 AM (mAhn3)

13 the 50% of morons in this country that don't recognize Antonin Scalia but sure as hell recognize Judge Judy.

Has it ever been any different in any other election? No. Stop whining and make some calls or kick some money over for an ad.

Posted by: Thomas Dewey '48 at October 20, 2008 09:33 AM (MKM35)

14 While bad, I think people tend to get a bit more conservative on this issue when they move into a higher income bracket and thus get chomped a bit harder by the tax beast.

The lower tax brackets may be in for a rude awakening. Not only will their fed. taxes go up, if their state is also in a democrat caused fiscal crisis, their state & local taxes will go up. In Calif. they are also trying to increase sales tax and increase the fees on everything that has a fee. They also increase parking fines, etc.

Posted by: Thomas Dewey '48 at October 20, 2008 09:36 AM (MKM35)

15
Yep. There's that $85B to the UN every year. I guess its reparations for the US raping the rest of the world. Stealing all their wealth. Its not like the Arabs built THEIR wealth on our bounced checks, but sure, yeah, we stole the oil.

You can't explain it rationally. It's pure BS and brainwashing

Posted by: billypaintbrush at October 20, 2008 09:36 AM (5aBkh)

16 Maybe that's why Osama needs our money--to give it to his relatives in Kenya. And I don't mean this to be a racist comment; Barack Hussein Obama isn't helping his own family, but expects the rest of America to do it for him.

One of his proposals was to give 50 billion to the UN or africa or something.

Posted by: Thomas Dewey '48 at October 20, 2008 09:37 AM (MKM35)

17

"It's not that I want to punish your success. I want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success, too. My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

I think the real damaging part of the idiot's quote is this "I want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success, too."

Now, just what the fuck does that mean in the Barryland?

He wants to take away the plumber's money, decrease his annual income so that he can equalize the playing field and engage in micromanaging competitive advantage, the utility in consumer decision making on what plumber to hire?

Or maybe give money outright to someone "behind him", that people who don't make as much money as the plumber will be given handouts so that they will make as much money as the plumber? Is that because the plumber is successful, someone else who wants to be a plumber can't because they don't have enough money, even if they don't want to be a plumber?

He has no fucking clue about how the US economy works. Is that a shock coming from a guy who spends his says creating The Decade of Barry?

Good Christ, this guy's incompetent.

Posted by: Sen. Rev. Dr. E Buzz at October 20, 2008 09:37 AM (sf4Oe)

#2: The people are making the case for him:

http://tinyurl.com/6musxv

Astonishing story of immigrant blue collar workers at a McCain rally. One even confronts a Mother Earth reporter and gives him hell for the coverage of Joe but no coverage of Ayers.

Posted by: Ampontan at October 20, 2008 09:40 AM (8b8NF)

19 Back to comment#16 who says Barry proposes to send billions to different places in Africa. I heard him say that, too. Duh, we have a tremendous deficit. Duh, we can't afford it. Go tell your friends that think spreading the wealth is ok, that all their money will go to revolutions in Africa.

Posted by: kelley in virginia at October 20, 2008 09:42 AM (ioTid)

20 McCain campaign slogan:

"Obama wants to spread the wealth - McCain's economic plan will create wealth"

Posted by: rls at October 20, 2008 09:43 AM (5fIu7)

21

#8 SarahGroupie wrote, "Not to be an Eeyore, but I am extremely discouraged in trying to beat the Democratic Party, the entire national media establishment, and the 50% of morons in this country that don't recognize Antonin Scalia but sure as hell recognize Judge Judy.

How can this possibly be defeated? I feel like Sisyphus at this point, and frankly, I'm worn out. I imagine that's probably in Alinsky's playbook too, "Stay in their face until they give up."

How? Barack Obama's spent close to half a billion dollars and it's still a race.

Then there's Jim Treacher's answer, Note to everybody who can't stop moaning that it's all over and we're going to end up in Room 101 with rat-cages strapped to our faces

"What you're feeling right now is not natural. It's the result of prolonged exposure to harmful radiation from a highly toxic, media-infected presidential campaign. Symptoms may include nausea, sweating, constant checking of poll results, dizziness, fever, irritation at glaring double standards, coughing, Googling, loss of appetite, bewilderment at a world seemingly gone mad, vaginal dryness, and Drudge."

Go read the whole thing, and take his advice and take a break for a day or two. The world won't stop turning because if you stop pushing.

Read this post and the comments
http://www.rachellucas.com /index.php/2008/10/16 /i-see-in-your-eyes-the-same-fear-that-would-take- the-heart-of-me/

I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. at Rachel Lucas.

I Can Haz Cheezburger?.

If Sarah Palin's not elected, who's going to protect those poor Secret Service agents?

Posted by: Looking Glass at October 20, 2008 09:45 AM (5rpDo)

22 Rasmussen: Obama + 4
Says signs that race is tightening, McCain now leading men by 5, losing women by 11...

Posted by: jason at October 20, 2008 09:48 AM (Cy1m7)

23 "McCain campaign slogan:

"Obama wants to spread the wealth - McCain's economic plan will create wealth"

That's good, send it in to the campaign.

Posted by: jason at October 20, 2008 09:48 AM (Cy1m7)

24 And we have another media elite a-hole thinking that Joe The Plumber should have been vetted. Steve Coll of the New Yorker, gets in a racist dig as well as a vetting one:

The Ordinary Joe charade was transparently conceived to poke at Obama’s vulnerability with white, independent voters in culturally conservative industrial states. Unfortunately for McCain and his staff, they apparently did not think to vet an important new anecdote that they planned to spring upon a national television audience at a decisive moment of the campaign.

http://tinyurl.com/6dm2hp

Posted by: Jay at October 20, 2008 09:49 AM (efvZp)

25 Rasmussen: Obama + 4

At this rate, McCain might only lose by two points.

Posted by: Socky at October 20, 2008 09:49 AM (PLvLS)

26 "It's not that I want to punish your success.

He doesn't want to punish girls with a baby, either.

Posted by: Nice Deb at October 20, 2008 09:56 AM (9Ghzz)

27 22 Rasmussen: Obama + 4

That's good news....does anyone have good news electorally? I'm having trouble working out a favorable map.

Posted by: cards at October 20, 2008 09:59 AM (ii1Ds)

28 Rasmussen's state polls this evening will be telling. OH, FL, MO, NC, and CO.

Let's hope this slow tightening continues. We're two weeks out. If McCain can go into the final weekend tied with Obama, then he'll have a good shot.

Posted by: Jay at October 20, 2008 10:01 AM (efvZp)

29 Ampontan, that was an excellent article. I say we put David Corn near the top of the list.

Of course, the MSM and Obama camp are twisting the story around. I don't believe many are buying it except for the koolaid drinkers. Yesterday, Obama was joking about McCain calling him a socialist and the crowd laughed.

Posted by: incognito at October 20, 2008 10:01 AM (Rpam5)

30 Yeah, tied. Especially since they oversample Dems and AA.

Posted by: incognito at October 20, 2008 10:03 AM (Rpam5)

31 Again, Ras has been overcorrecting for Dems and underrepresenting Palinmania's effect on the base.

But it's a very good sign that weekend numbers barely swung to Barry at all.

Posted by: someone at October 20, 2008 10:13 AM (nO8K/)

Early in this campaign I said that it was case of which candidate could out-sorry the other. It looks like O’Bama is winning that contest with his wealth redistribution statement, but McCain is giving him a run for his money in not bashing him on the economy. I think when it is all over McCain will win by the same margin as Bush, that is if the zombie voters in OH don’t tilt the State.

Posted by: Vic at October 20, 2008 10:22 AM (b1ysY)

33 At this rate, McCain might only lose by two points.

Add another 10 points due to pervasive and massive vote fraud.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 20, 2008 10:31 AM (Xl9pj)

34 The quote should be "I think when I spread your wealth around, it's good for everybody."

Posted by: gp at October 20, 2008 10:48 AM (B9rV2)

35 "The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles."

- The Communist Manifesto, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engles.

Posted by: Robert at October 20, 2008 10:55 AM (Rb4Qc)

#31: But it's a very good sign that weekend numbers barely swung to Barry at all.

Unfortunately, Zogby says that he had a great Sunday, as I just read elsewhere. +10 putting his three-day moving average at about +6.

I hope it's an outlier.

And I really hope that the little hints here and there of secret stuff about BO coming out soon start to come the hell out.

Posted by: Ampontan at October 20, 2008 11:09 AM (8b8NF)

37 28 Rasmussen's state polls this evening will be telling. OH, FL, MO, NC, and CO.

Let's hope this slow tightening continues. We're two weeks out. If McCain can go into the final weekend tied with Obama, then he'll have a good shot.

You're an ASS if McCain is in the margin of Error down he will win

Posted by: PaRep at October 20, 2008 11:10 AM (dWdDN)

38 The question to be asked is will Barry send our money to the same kind of places he sent the Annenberg money?

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at October 20, 2008 11:18 AM (MMC8r)

Joe the Plumber is not the only "hard hitting" sound bite of Obama's socialist leanings.

There's a YouTube out there from the primary debates where Obama is challenged with the fact that decreasing capital gains taxes actually INCREASES government revenue received from those taxes. Yet Obama is still supporting an increase in capital gains (or at the very least he wants the current capital gains cuts under the Bush tax cuts to expire - thereby raising again the capital gains tax).

But when confronted with the fact that raising those taxes would result in less $$ for the federal government. Barack simply said ... "It's not about money ... it's about fairness".

At a time when our national debt is out of control and we are facing a possible depression ... it better damned well be about the money. Screw "fairness". If we can cut capital gains and increase government revenue - it's a win for everyone.

McCain needs to hammer this. Make an ad out of Barack's debate performance that night in the primaries.

Posted by: HondaV65 at October 20, 2008 11:22 AM (mJg2y)

40 Look at the party ID samples in every poll that “worries” you and see what the party ID breakdown is: the national breakdown should be 39% Dem, 35% Republican, and 26% Independent. The polls that “worry” Eeyores have Democrats at 45% or above in terms of party ID breakdown — with Republicans as low as 20%. In the last 20 years, Democrats have only had a 4% party ID advantage over Republicans. Why on Earth would that historic fact change in 2008 — and swing to a 25% or more Democrat advantage? That’s ridiculous. And everything Eeyores run around with, crazed over, is equally ridiculous if they’d just take the time to critically think through it.

Yes - the media is promoting Obama, to the point where media figures like Chris Matthews actually campaign for Obama in states like Pennsylvania (which he did, in person, the weekend of October 12-13). No - there is nothing any of us can do about this, except to contact Jeff Zucker at NBC or the sponsors advertised on MSNBC and tell them what we think of their sustained pro-Obama agenda. You just have to stop listening to the media — if you are someone who gets upset when watching MSNBC or CNN, then stop watching those channels. Read www.HillaryClintonForum.net on a regular basis: there are 5,500 users there who log on constantly, 24/7, to post the most important news and breakdown the bias and lies. News aggregate sites like this slice through all the O-baloney, and filter out the propaganda. If you continue to insist on upsetting yourself by watching Kool-Aid networks like MSNBC, don’t spread that gloom and doom to others. And don’t come here to vent your negativity - because we have no sympathy for you.

There are just days left in this election — we’re all spread thin in terms of efforts, with a lot to do and very little time to do it all in. None of have any time to hold your hands or talk you off any more ledges. With some of you, we have been doing this since January, and we just can’t do it any more. During the primaries, you were the people who listened to the media and convinced yourselves Hillary Clinton would lose New Hampshire — and you cried and cried and were so “worried” you made sure to call all of your friends and email everyone you know saying “It’s over! We’re doomed! It’s impossible for Obama to lose!”. Well, idiots, he did lose — and if you had looked at the polls critically, you would see that New Hampshire was the first instance of the media rigging polls for Obama, and oversampling “the youth” by wide margins that produced Obama wins in polls that didn’t translate to tha actual election day demographic.

Posted by: funky chicken at October 20, 2008 11:23 AM (xyyHG)

41 I'm sure "Palin fan" is an astroturfer POS, but here's the link to Hillbuzz if any of the rest of you feel tempted to fall for that shit and rush to despair:

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/

Posted by: funky chicken at October 20, 2008 11:25 AM (xyyHG)

42 you wasted our time, and you depress everyone around you for no reason. That’s what Eeyores do — you bring people down into your fatalist little worlds, but then never remember the damage you’ve done. Because, when Clinton won, you’d celebrate with everyone else…and then the next day you’d go back to parroting the media’s line about Clinton losing the next round of primaries.

You did this before Ohio and Texas.

You did this before Pennsylvania.

You did this before West Virginia.

And Kentucky.

And Indiana.

And South Dakota.

And you never learned your lesson.

You never put two and two together and figured out that the media manipulated you every time — they brought the gloom and doom out in you, and you then went out and spread your rain clouds to everyone you know, depressing them, and probably getting more than a few of them to go out and spread gloom and doom to others they knew. Like an infection that spreads.

We’re sorry to have to be so blunt and just come out and call you people idiots — but that’s what needs to be done. Because for people so upset by the idea of Obama winning this — of Obama and his gang of criminals coming to Washington to take over the government — you sure do an awful lot to cripple efforts to stop him.

Posted by: funky chicken at October 20, 2008 11:27 AM (xyyHG)

43 Any plumber, that fixes Obama's toilet after Michelle drops that super-clogging lobster-gram, is a ho.

Posted by: alppuccino at October 20, 2008 11:36 AM (BYezr)

Since we're all a bunch of lying racists, it's actually McCain in a landslide.

Posted by: MarkD at October 20, 2008 11:38 AM (MMy4A)

Ampontan

Where does Zogby say Obama plus 10 over the weekend?

Todays is only plus 5

Posted by: Mr. Happy at October 20, 2008 11:41 AM (waaUg)

46 The future is ours, Comrade! What was once a Stanlinist-era political slogan can now be recycled into American prophecy.

Posted by: Pigilito at October 20, 2008 11:59 AM (wO5g/)

47 Read Mullings.com about the Powell endorsement yesterday and the general uselessness of the media. Rich Galen has excellent analyses. Newt trusted him - he's good enough for you.

Posted by: Jazz at October 20, 2008 12:09 PM (hnq5i)

Why does no one get that wealth cannot be spread around? You can spread money around easily enough, but not wealth. The moment it's taken, it ceases to be wealth, since it could just as easily be taken again.

I think quite a few people fail to see the distinction between money and wealth. But it's an important one.

Also, what's often forgotten is what would happen if we actually were able to spread wealth around.

As "Michael Bolton" in Office Space stated, "No, you're working at Initech because that question is bullshit to begin with. If everyone listened to her, there'd be no janitors, because no one would clean shit up if they had a million dollars."

So, not only would the money be worthless because it could just as easily be taken again, we would also have nothing to spend it on. No one would work if government provided for our every need. And, thus, because there would be no one working, government couldn't actually provide for our every need (except, of course, by forcing everyone to work, but I can't believe even the most hard-core socialists really want that; most that I know seem to want to not have to work, but that kind of throws the whole paradigm out of whack).

Which always makes me wonder about people who think health care or a college education is a "right". Why start there? Why not food, shelter, and clothing. Surely if health care and a college education are rights of every citizen, then why would more fundamental needs not be?

But, of course, they have to start there, because if they started with food, shelter, and clothing, then you can more easily point out the flaws in their logic. Why would you need a college education if all your basic needs are provided? And who would become doctors to provide you with your health care if all their basic needs are provided? And so on...

These are all the things that it seems that the socialist-types I know don't really bother thinking about, preferring instead to expend their brain power on the (rather ironic) question of just how stupid conservatives and Republicans are for not agreeing with them.

Posted by: Jason at October 20, 2008 12:42 PM (sV0Yw)

49 Mr. Happy: Saw it on one of the blogs at NRO. If not The Corner, then one of the other two focusing on the election.

Posted by: Ampontan at October 20, 2008 01:10 PM (8b8NF)

50 O-BAMNa

[By Any Means Necessary]

Posted by: Faye Kinnitt at October 20, 2008 01:41 PM (l1oyw)

Having recently read that the Obama campaign has raised $604 million, I look forward to finally being able to benefit from the exposure of both campaign messages. I'm sure that the $302 million that the Obama campaign will use in the coming days will suffice to fund the dissemination of his campaign message, and I'm heartened to know that the McCain campaign will have a fair and equal opportunity to do the same with the $302 million that will be spread to it from the Obama warchest.

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Posted by: Shantanu Narayen at October 20, 2008 02:01 PM (z4EdS)

Jason, the usual plan is for the Insiders to force the Outsiders to do the work.

The pagan states made war and enslaved the losers. Islam conquered and set up the Dhimmah. Mediaeval barons instituted feudalism. Socialism "asks" "the rich" (that is, the independently rich) to pay "their fair share" (as the socialists define it). I'd discuss the 20th century but that'd just Godwin the conversation.

Obama is just the latest of the Pharaohs.

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54 I, for one, am preparing for the coming civil unrest. And I hope those fuckers in the media realize that they aren't neutral observers.

They picked a side.

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