1 Which Supreme Court?

2 Lemme guess. 5-4 vote.

/sigh

3 Was it just one Justice or the entire court?

4 Which Supreme Court?

SCOTUS.

Was it just one Justice or the entire court?

Full court.

5 My big question in all of this:  Will Brunner's foot-dragging this week prevent the Ohio GOP from challenging absentee votes by the end of business today?

IMHO, the court should say any absentee votes from those "questionable" voters should be embargoed until Brunner's office gets off their asses and performs verification on them.

6 SCOTUS.   Full court.

Without hearing, or briefs?  I find that hard to believe

7 This is about her DOING HER DAMN JOB. This is in Ohio election law, this isn't the Republicans simply harassing her. My God help us all. Ohio was just stolen.

8

I doubt this--they may have only granted certiorari here, which is not overruling anything.  For the entire Supreme Court to have ruled so quickly would be unprecedented.  Even in 2000 there was time to file briefs and argue. 

I suspect it's just a grant of cert to hear the case.

9 I have a feeling a few of those liberals on the court really want to retire.

10 toby928,

You're a day behind. Briefs were filed yesterday, there was a conference today. It was an emergency appeal so no arguments.

11 Sneak preview of our brave new world come January 20th, G-d forbid.

BASTARDS!!!!!!!

12 So they over-ruled the Friday deadline, or...?

13 Follow-up:

Sh!t... misread the headline when I wrote my first post on this.

14 I'm gobsmacked then, Drew.

15 Stevens brought it to the full court, they decided for Brunner.

16 Well, we wouldn't want to disenfranchise any deceased or fictional voters...

17 And for anyone who doesn't realize the importance of appointing SCOTUS justices....

18 So it's no longer a government selected by the people; it's a government selected by the government. I need a drink.

19 Shoot me now. The bitch has registrations two years old she has yet to verify. Apparently, there is neither a deadline nor a law that can mandate she do her job.

20 Knowing that there is widespread voter fraud, how could you make the argument not to verify registrations, unless you just didn't care about the fraud.

I honestly don't know how this is defensible.

21 Anyone know the votes of the justices?

22 And the Attorney General's office doesn't seem to want to get involved...

No one left to turn to but voters...

But now we have to win by a big enough margin to cover the fraud.

23 Want to thank someone for this decision? Let's give Gerald R. Ford a big round of applause for nomination Stevens.

24 I'd like to see the ruling. Did they just rule against the TRO?

25 I don't understand how this is even remotely possible, unless the law is utterly meaningless now.

26

Liberals in government everywhere just can't seem to help but cheat and lie to attain their goals, can they?  The dead shall rise, and vote repeatedly, apparently.

27 Thanks to the Supreme Cocksuckers, democracy just got a major fuckjob.

28 Why doesn't the full court rule that I don't have to do any of the things mandated by Virginia state law:  pay taxes, e.g.?  Why are they helping just this woman who is inept, lazy & obviously too partisan to attempt to put an election on an even playing field?

29 Revolution.

30 Trivia Time: Samuel Chase is the only Supreme Court justice have been impeached. He was impeached for letting his partisan leanings enter into his decisions. Never convicted by the Senate, but impeached by the House.

31 The State of Ohio is too busy looking into Joe the Plumber's records to worry about voter registration fraud.

32 Riddle me this, why is the person in charge of Elections in OH a partisan position?

That just seems like a huuuuuuuuge conflict of interest there.

33 I don't find a copy of the order on the SCOTUS web page.

34 The court said they did not have standing.

35 Don't worry, the SoS will get around to vetting those registrations as soon as they've leaked JtP's kids school grades to Politico..................................

36 The opinion.

37 Any chance for appeal?

38 I used to find it difficult to believe that anything would be worse for our 1A rights than McCain/Feingold.....

39 this is getting way too scary now

40 Nevermind, here it is.
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/08pdf/08A332.pdf

It's a per curiam opinion that a private actor was not authorized by Congress to enforce Section 303 of HAVA.

41 The ruling was per curiam - I think that means it came from the court as a whole, without identifying a particular judge as the author of the opinion.

The ruling seems to question whether a District Court can issue a TRO in an action brought by a private litigant.

42 That order is so fucking weak.  If the GOP doesn't have standing, who the fuck does?

43

USA = Banana Republic

Seriously.

44 Probably the state attorney general.

45 Are you fucking kidding me?  If only we could impeach elected officials in Ohio.  This is ridiculous that 200,000 potentially fraudulent votes will be counted.  I am thoroughly disgusted at this lady.  This is worse than anything the Democrats have ever accused republicans of doing in 2000/2004.  HORRIBLE!

46 Check Drew's update.  The ruling is specifically about the TRO...and I think the court probably has a point there.  I don't like the ruling, of course...but it is not a betrayal of their duty either.  TROs are supposed to be hard to get and then only available to parties with standing.  Look, the Repubs have gotten a lot out of this.  Their base is mad ( and will be madder now) and all the undecideds are noticing what ACORN is doing.  The FBI is involved with ACORN nation wide.  Relax.  Keep working.

47 The AP says:

In a brief unsigned opinion, the justices said they were not commenting on whether Ohio is complying with a provision of the Help America Vote Act of 2002 that lays out requirements for verifying voter eligibility.

Instead, they said they were granting Brunner's request because it appears that the law does not allow private entities, like the Ohio GOP, to file suit to enforce the provision of the law at issue.

48

Sneak peek of coming attractions if Barry wins and gets his 2-3 Supreme Court nominees.

Of course if the rule of law just got flushed for the liberal "greater good", does it matter?

49 Time to get the old time voting machine out of the closet.

50 Brunner has a gold future as an ACORN executive.

51 I'm no lawyer but if the SC has no opinion,

WHY THE FUCK DID THEY VACATE THE ORDER???

52 Between you and Dowd the real news this election season is "Latin is Making a Comeback."

53 @46, that won't be much consolation when the Dems literally steal the election.

54 It was a 2 page, per curiam (unsigned) opinion by the entire court. The relevant portion is here:
We express no opinion on the question whether HAVA is being properly implemented. Respondents, however, are not sufficiently likely to prevail on the question whether Congress has authorized the District Court to enforce Section 303 in an action brought by a private litigant to justify the issuance of a TRO.
They essentially ruled that the Republicans probably cannot show that the District Court has jurisdiction to decide the issue in a private lawsuit, if I am reading this correctly.
This is conservative judicial restraint. The conservative justices decided this on the law even if the result ends up being wrong. Of course the liberal wing loves the result.

55

Repeat Post

All I can say now is wow. SCOTUS has sided with fraud. Their ruling isn’t based on the law, the likelihood of fraud, or anything else reasonable. It is based on whether or not the plaintiff would prevail on the question of whether a private citizen has the right to sue under the HAVA, There is no fucking justice here. Here is the rulingfrom scotusblog.

 

Folks we are getting closer to a banana republic here and leader for life.

 

56 What #48 said. The way the court is now, what would it matter if the Messiah appoints twenty new justices, starting with Bill Ayers. We are screwed.

57

My friend, from Ohio, just sent me this email commenting on the economy. It would serve just as well for the new democrat voting procedures.

 

Orwell's protagonist, Winston Smith, wonders if the State might declare "two plus two makes five" as a fact; he ponders that, if everybody believes in it, does that make it true? Smith writes, "Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows." Later in the novel [1984], Smith attempts to use doublethink to teach himself that the statement "2 + 2 = 5" is true, or at least as true as any other answer one could come up with.

Later in the novel, Winston Smith is electroshocked into declaring that he saw five fingers when in fact he only saw four ("Four! Five! Six! I don't know!").

58 Devlin,

Come on. Not all 200,000 bad registrants will be votes. Get real. Calm down.

200,000! That's ridiculous. There's only going to be, like, maybe 50,000 fraudulent votes in Ohio. Quit the whiney conspiracy stuff.

59 quick, somebody go to the court and test the water in the coolers.

60 The real joe,
Yep, I think you got it.  And boy doesn't it give the Repubs something to rally around.  It's not the ruling I would have liked but it won't be as damaging to the Repubs as some think either, maybe.  We'll see.

61

So it's no longer a government selected by the people; it's a government selected by the government. I need a drink.

That about sums it up.  I just have no words.  Simply no words.....

62

Revolution.

Count me in.

63

The people in Ohio should take to the streets. Hell, the people all over the country should take to the streets.

64

Ace, what more needs to go wrong until you're convinced to move on the two stories you and others are sitting on? 

Leak them now.

65 Nope.  The culprit is W.

Enforcement of the federal HAVA statute is handled by the Attorney General.

I am wading through section 400, the enforcement provisions. 

W's justice department has done a bang up job in not stopping voter fraud.

66 29 Revolution.  I lke the sound of that E.C..

67 Perhaps Gabriel can correct me on this, but I believe that the Justice Department can sue for the enforcement.

68 22 And the Attorney General's office doesn't seem to want to get involved...

No one left to turn to but voters...

But now we have to win by a big enough margin to cover the fraud.
Posted by: TomV at October 17, 2008 12:08 PM (/PwQS)


Yep. SCOTUS said a private entity like the OH GOP doesn't have standing to file suit. So who would? Only a public (ie government) entity? So only government is allowed to sue to regulate government?

Am I missing something here?

69 @TomV,

Thanks for calming me down...only 50,000 fraudulent votes.  I feel much better now.

P.S.  I said potentially fraudulent, but don't let a lack of reading comprhension stop you from attacking me.

70 65 Nope. The culprit is W.

Enforcement of the federal HAVA statute is handled by the Attorney General.

I am wading through section 400, the enforcement provisions.

W's justice department has done a bang up job in not stopping voter fraud.
Posted by: joeindc44 at October 17, 2008 12:30 PM (QxSug

correct

71 TITLE IV--ENFORCEMENT

SEC. 401. ACTIONS BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR
DECLARATORY AND INJUNCTIVE RELIEF.

The Attorney General may bring a civil action against any State or
jurisdiction in an appropriate United States District Court for such
declaratory and injunctive relief (including a temporary restraining
order, a permanent or temporary injunction, or other order) as may be
necessary to carry out the uniform and nondiscriminatory election
technology and administration requirements under sections 301, 302, and
303.

Otherwise, private citizens only get to complain to the state.
The state handles teh complaints as they see fit.

72 The Justice Dept. has  been conspicuously absent or at least glacially slow in fighting voter fraud. I guess, like most others, they don't want to be called racist.

73 Devilish,

I was being sarcastic. I wasn't mocking you but those downplaying the fraud. Sorry about that.

74 Standing, or no private cause of action?  Either way, looks like AGAG had better get off his ass.

75

Basically what that means is the act is totally fucking worthless. The government will never act to prevent the government from fraud.

76 Maybe we should do what they do in Iraq, dip their fingers in ink.

77 Oops.  AGAG is gone now, thank god.  Geez.

78 I for one think that this fear of being called a racist is sending race relations backwards about 30 years.

79 I still don't understand why illegal votes should count, even if Jesus Christ doesn't have enough standing to question it.

80 "Basically what that means is the act is totally fucking worthless."

Yes, but you can't rewrite the law to make it say what you want it to say.

That's what lefties do.

81 The Ohio Attorney General was appointed by the governor to fill out the term of the last AG, who resigned earlier this year. The current AG is NOT running in the special election on 11/4.

Translation: very lame duck who is NOT going to want to get her hands dirty during this election cycle. Chaos may indeed rule in Ohio on 11/4.

82 @TomV

Hey, sorry about that, internet/sarcasm is sometimes a great divide.

83 I bet the entire election will end up in the Supreme Court again. This sets it up.

We need voter IDs, pronto.

Bastards.

84 Per the decision:
The Secretary is expressly authorized to “deal with violations,

What they don't answer is what is the mechanism to force the Secretary of State to do her job?

85

In this case, per curiam means that it is a decision from the whole court but they are not going to give the breakdown. It also means that it was NOT unanimous. These types of actions are supposed to be rare and dealing with simple uncontroversial matters.

86

She's up for re-election in 2010. If there's any justice, OH voters will turn her out.

That's assuming, of course, that elections are still held in 2010.

That's also assuming that Brunner doesn't scan my brain and make my head asplode before I finish this possssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

87 What they don't answer is what is the mechanism to force the Secretary of State to do her job?

Mandamus.

88 You know why the AG and DoJ isn't pushing hard on Voter Fraud?

Becasue that'd be RACIST!!! SUPRESSION!!!!!111!!DISENFRACNCHISMENT!!!!!!!!!!!

CANCELTHEELECTIONS HITLERSHRUB.

WHY DO REPUBLIKKKANS HATE YOU SO??

89 The W justice department needed a bigger shake up.  You would think that stopping voter fraud would be a priority.  Nope, they're instead prosecuting people like Tan Ngyen. 

The justice department is going to get a lot worse under Obama.  Let's see, how about universal suffrage, regardless of residence or citizenship (but exceptions will be made for party identification).

90

She's up for re-election in 2010. If there's any justice, OH voters will turn her out.

That's assuming, of course, that elections are still held in 2010.

 

That is assuming that all of the graveyards in Ohio don’t empty and go to the polls to vote FOR her.

 

That is the point of all this hell raising. Fraudulent elections don’t guarantee shit except that who ever cheats the best wins. They are also a sign that the shootin’ is about to begin.

91 SCOTUS has just set this whole election up for a "shit hits the fan" incident. ACORN better hope that 'voter's' don't show up in greater numbers than the population of the state.

But then, I'm sure they'll come up with a reason why the numbers don't match up.

92 wow ... ca democrat leadership sending out mass emails to californians URGING them to vote, to make sure their registration is valid. wonder what their ca internal polls are showing them? that americans do not want to elect a fraud (cheat, liar) as potus? interesting.

i have a feeling either mac wins in a landslide or the election results will not be settled until 2010.

93 My last, desperate hope is that the Justice Dept. is preparing to move, just managing to keep it a secret (unlike anything else it did during Bush's two terms.)

It's an illogical hope, but it's the only one I've got.  Otherwise I am going to go crazy.

94 Is there not a DA with any cajones in OH to bring this case again on behalf of the people of the state of OH?  WTF is wrong with them?  In a state of 88 counties, not a single goddam feels the need to protect the intgrety of the electoral process?

95 ACORN better hope that 'voter's' don't show up in greater numbers than the population of the state.
Why not? Once the votes are cast it's too late. The fuckers will just be laughing at us at that point.

96 this seems worthy of  bump up

97 It is a standing issue (my analysis here).  The problem is that the US Attorney General needs to be the one bringing this suit.  So where is he Bush?

98 In a state of 88 counties, not a single goddam one feels the need to protect the intgrety integrity of the electoral process?

Um. Yeah.  THAT'S what I meant.  Fury really fucks with my spelling and grammar.  It's like literal glossolalia.

99 Obambi's on Fox right now rambling on about pie again in his southern accent.

100 Brad:  It is a standing issue.  The problem is that the US Attorney General needs to be the one bringing this suit.

I believe it's a state law that's at the heart of the matter.  State claim won't fly in federal court without some sort of ancillary or pendant jurisdiction.

101

Hmmmm. Now I will consider W as a complete and utter fucking failure as POTUS. What a royal screwing we have received.

 

102 I believe it's a state law that's at the heart of the matter.

Jazz,

No, HAVA is a federal law.

103 I need to think before I write.  Apologies to Brad.

104 I need to think before I write.

Why, you don't want to fit in with the rest of us? You think you are better than us? Elitist!

105

Perhaps we should form a group called POCB (Pissed Off Conservative Bloggers) and go to CA and steal the election there by forging new voter rolls and bussing Zombie Voters from poll to poll.

106 time for a moron question, re: "It looks to my non lawyer mind that the Ohio GOP lacks standing to ask for the TRO." does this mean that a group of voters - just ordinary anyone's in OH could press suit on this? Bc, they have the right to a fair and equitable election, right? One free of voter fraud.

107 freetofly,

No. According to the court, all private actions would be suspect and not meet the threshold for a TRO.

108

does this mean that a group of voters - just ordinary anyone's in OH could press suit on this ?

 

No, only the U.S. A.G. has that authority, as I said earlier, the law is worthless.

109

DrewM. at October 17, 2008 01:06 PM (hlYel)

--so only DOJ can move on this?

110

Even though I intend to vote against Big 0, this precedent in Ohio pretty much sets the stage for a stolen election across the nation. Unless something miraculous happens I see a 43 state win for the Zero, even if the popular vote is fairly close. Any states that are close internally will be recounted until they 'find' enough votes for the big Zero.

After Barry wins it will be thirty years of darkness.

111 The lack of standing is only with regard to HAVA the federal statute under which the suit was brought. I have no idea whether there is a separate state statute which might give OH residents or GOP a cause of action.

112

Well, thumbs up for this blog for  running with this news.  But thumbs down for such horrible news.

Does anyone know any US Attorneys?

113 Please no more talking about revolution, AoSHQ will end up as a headline on ABC, CBS and NBC. Besides if we do have tyranny under Obama it will give him a good excuse to round up conservatives as dangerous revolutionaries. I accept our flawed system even if it means the agents of its destruction come into power. I love my country and don't plan on leaving it unlike so many liberals after 04. If it comes to being ruled over by socialist tyranny let us talk of fighting for restoration, not revolution.

114 This is unfortunately the correct decision.  HAVA doesn't give anyone but the DOJ (in Washington, through the left leaning Civil Rights Division), or perhaps the local US Attorney (but they kick it to DC)  the power to enforce HAVA against a Secretary of State.  I should know, I'm dealing with a guy named Brian Heffernan in DC now on something.  He's a leftist hack, so I'm led to believe, and has done nothing with our complaint.

115 Fucking bullshit. The ACORNs are going to steal Ohio and get away with it. There goes the election.

Oh, for the gunfire to begin from this one. Hypothetically, of course.

116 Standing matters.  That's the ruling.  I agree that it totally sucks but it is, in fact, the legally correct determination.

This simply points out what I tell people (and sometimes our clients) over and over again - courts exist to rule on the law and not dispense justice.  As a practical matter, I totally disagree with this ruling.  As a legal matter, I have to swallow hard and admit its correct. 

I'll admit to bias here, I had to deal with a year long knock down fight over a standing issue which The Firm lost and which totally screwed over a very injured person.  So I'm know how much it bites and I know that standing issues do have to be treated seriously. 

117 92 wow ... ca democrat leadership sending out mass emails to californians URGING them to vote, to make sure their registration is valid. wonder what their ca internal polls are showing them? that americans do not want to elect a fraud (cheat, liar) as potus? interesting.

i have a feeling either mac wins in a landslide or the election results will not be settled until 2010.
Posted by: incognito at October 17, 2008 12:47 PM (Rpam5)

link please? Yeah, something is REALLY not adding up this year. And Bush and his worthless asshole administration just sits on their thumbs and watches Obama do his damndest to steal this election.

It's making me think worse of Bush pretty much every passing day. McCain called for the surge starting in 2004. McCain opposed the Medicare drug plan and all those porkfests that Bush encouraged and signed.

Are we seeing the final result of GW Bush's personal animus toward a person who is just a better man than he is? What alternative explanation can there be?

118 Posted by: CInAz at October 17, 2008 01:08 PM (qIOmI)

Looks like it. See the update.

This is part of wanting judges who will follow the law not make it. Yeah, the left uses that idea when it's convenient but the right tends to stand on principle.

119 So what the heck is the holdup from the AG? -- they could just photocopy the same stuff on their letterhead and refile it.

120 Look at the bright side.  This should remind everybody about the importance of Supreme Court nominations. 

121

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.  - Thomas Jefferson

We're getting very, very close to one of those times.

 

122 BTW- HAVA was passed in 2002 in the wake of the Florida recount deal.

Thanks Al Gore!

123

So Ohio Party Chairman contact the RNC who contacts Bush who contacts the AG and away we go!

 If the standing was so clearly spelled out in HAVA, how come the Ohio GOP didn't know or apparently nobody at all point this out before just a few minutes ago?

Is the Republican party really run by morons?

124 If the quoted part of the law is correct, then it isn't the Supremes who are the problem. Where's the AG?

125 HAVA doesn't give anyone but the DOJ (in Washington, through the left leaning Civil Rights Division), or perhaps the local US Attorney (but they kick it to DC)  the power to enforce HAVA against a Secretary of State.

When it comes down to it, this is why the donks fought so hard so that GWB couldn't fire the cocksucker US Attorneys that he wanted to run, no?

126 That death rattle you hear is America's freedom dying because of a technicality.

127

You all can thank Bob Ney, he wrote HAVA.  Republicans are hoist on their own petard this time.  They generally do not like private rights of action, especially in election law, because it is usually the Democrats who try to litigate elections.  Ken Blackwell was still Ohio SOS when HAVA was enacted and he would have done his job on all these registrations.

If the people of Ohio don't care that they have a corrupt Secretary of State or that the election may be stolen right under their noses, there isn't a hell of a lot we can do about it.  I know if I lived there I would be in Columbus every goddamn day until the election, protesting, and I would be calling every state legislator and every news outlet in the state demanding that they hold Brunner accountable. 

128 So Ohio Party Chairman contact the RNC who contacts Bush who contacts the AG and away we go!

Exactly.  How hard is to read the freakin' statute and get the right nominal plaintiff on the pleading in order to establish standing?

129 What alternative explanation can there be?

That Dubya is a fucking moron, is in over his head, doesn't have a clue, and (politically speaking) cashed-in after the 2006 election and is just playing out the string until 1/20/09.

I mean, it's really just as plausible as is the "Bush is sticking it to Maverick" thought, right?

Oh, and we are so totally freaking screwed.

130 Yes, Drew, sorry for mentioning it, but I've gone and helped clean up a couple foreign shitholes after the elections broke down, the countries imploded, and the mass graves started to fill up. I learned one thing hard- it can happen anywhere.

131 If the analysis is correct I am not disappointed by the Supreme Court. The law is the law.

Whom I am pissed at know is whoever does have standing failing to engage the matter to protect the voting rights og Ohio's citizens.

Somebody is derelict in their duty and they need to brave the cries of racism to do the right thing.

132 This is part of wanting judges who will follow the law not make it. Yeah, the left uses that idea when it's convenient but the right tends to stand on principle.

Exactly.  Most of the comments here are this sucks and the AG should do something,  not urging the Court to ignore the plain text of the statute and rule on the equities.  Yes, it's a bitter pill when strict construction means that the ruling is against your side.  But that's the price to be paid. 

133 This post would be much better with phone numbers. We found out Joe the Plumber's complete voting history in three days. We have to be able to find [b]someone[b] in the AG's office that will actually answer the phone.

134 Excuse me, maybe it's just that I'm not a supersmart lawyer or judge or justice or anything, but section 401 doesn't prevent the OH GOP from doing anything.  It is not exclusionary.  The AG can bring a civil suit, but there's nothing in that paragraph that prevents, say, Joe the Plumber from bringing one also.

135

Unfortunately, HAVA is a crappy law. This is conservative judicial restraint. The conservative justices decided this on the law even if the result is horrid. Of course the Left loves the result.

Who to blame? the "republicans" who let themselves be demogagued on HAVA.

 

136 Who is John Galt?

137 What Alex said.  The conservative justices probably took a look at the suit, considered the standing argument for about five seconds, and said "ugh ... what morons ... go with the per curium."

For all we know, C.J. Roberts wrote it himself and w/o comment on the merits (see the opinion) in order to streamline the process and give those who do have standing a chance to quickly re-file the suit correctly.

Nothing stops the U.S. AG's office for filing for a TRO tomorrow.

138

The reason the Ohio GOP brought the case as a private right of action is because:

 

1) HAVA is not exclusionary on who has standing, and justices freely read private rights of action into statutes all the time. Unfortunately our strict constructionists ruled against on this one.

2) The Bush Justice Department is already stung enough from the previous run ins with voter fraud. You will not see them bring an action on this.

3) The Ohio Attorney General is a Democrat. She will not bring an action on this.

4) It is unknown whether any county prosecutors can bring an action under this, and I'm guessing unlikely.

139

A=B, 2+2=5, looters & moochers = victims, empty suit = change we can believe in. Y'all better get with it or you're gonna end up branded as anti-party elements & go to the gulag.

Rob, voting 30 times in OH.

140

... and:  that's the election, right there.

*sigh*

It was a nice country, while it lasted.

141

Please no more talking about revolution, AoSHQ will end up as a headline on ABC, CBS and NBC. Besides if we do have tyranny under Obama it will give him a good excuse to round up conservatives as dangerous revolutionaries. I accept our flawed system even if it means the agents of its destruction come into power. I love my country and don't plan on leaving it unlike so many liberals after 04. If it comes to being ruled over by socialist tyranny let us talk of fighting for restoration, not revolution.

I beg to differ.

When a political party is complicit in rigging an election by violating established laws, then the US is reduced to the equivalent of Zimbabwe under Mugabe.  How did that work for him?  Better yet, how did that work out for Mugabe's opposition?  Do you see things getting better there anytime soon?

The Ohio SoS has been caught red-handed with 200,000 fraudulent voter registrations, more than enough to tip the balance based on the 2004 Ohio results, and the only thing that could possibly stop Brunner is Brunner's own conscience.

Do I make my point?

 

142 TWO QUESTIONS:

can the FBI shut the whole operation down if they find enough fraud...

and can SOMEONE PLEASE tell me is Colin Powel going to endorse OBAMBI???

WHYYYYYYYY????

143

Amish Dude,

The exclusionary interpretation would be typical in a case like this.  The law is not silent on enforcement, so we look at who may enforce it.  Which in this case is the AG.

Latin-digging lawyers would call it "expressio unius est exclusio alterius (The express mention of one thing excludes all others)."

144 This is what happened to we Clinton Dems in the primaries, no one had standing to sue, it was a private party amtter, and we had 'no protection' under the Constitution they say. Now SCOTUS says private people also dont have standing to sue to enfore federal law on voter registration..

okay can someone in Ohio, file against the State AG for failing to file for injunction on behalf of the people of Ohio?? thereby forcing the AG of OI to file? or perhaps waking up the Justice Dept?

I know MAC/PALIN will win. However, I also know how Barry rolls and they will not just go asway after they lose. They will scream fraud and WE will have to defend ourselves and then be in SCOTUS trying to fight our way out of using the provisional ballots ALL these fraudulent ACORN rats will file on Nov 4th

and THEN there will be race cards flying left and right and screams of supression and Ayers and friends, and the Peoples Republic of Berkley, flanked by race batining Clyburne SC and Pelosi and Reid and Obummer will scream the house down with MSM colluding and the EU tsk tsking

GOOD GRIEF this is their entire strategy and what can we do to slow it down anf try to get the Justice Dept to take a look and try to head off this madness?

145 140
... and: that's the election, right there.

*sigh*

It was a nice country, while it lasted.

Posted by: Kent at October 17, 2008 01:43 PM (g5dN9)

BULLSHIT GET OUT AND VOTE DONATE TO CAMPAIGNS VOLUNTEER AT VOTING PLACES

146

Very depressing, but at least it was the full court. If there is a technical legal reason for the GoP not being able to contest Brunner then that is the law.

Next question to ask is who would have standing to contest what she's doing?

I sympathize with the revolution statements. For quit a while now I've believed that the only thing to restore America after the radical leftists capture the remaining branch of government will be a revolution and/or shooting civil war. There isn't a doubt in my mind that with complete control of the government they are going to make fundamental changes to the way America has always worked and nothing less than the above will reverse them.

Obama intends to follow the Hugo Chavez model and do it all "legally".

147 Christy, I'd give you an answer, but you know it already.

148 Hmmmm.

Soooooo.  It would take Bush having -balls- to confront Democrats?

Well McCain is fucked.  So are we in a few respects.  But, in a sad way, it is rather amusing that Mr. Across the Aisle McCain is royally ass-fucked by his friends the Democrats.

149 Christy--I'd also say that it's evidence that all is not wine and roses in Camp Obama. They wouldn't need to play the Colin Powell card if they were really looking at an easy win.

150 Excuse me, maybe it's just that I'm not a supersmart lawyer or judge or justice or anything, but section 401 doesn't prevent the OH GOP from doing anything.  It is not exclusionary.  The AG can bring a civil suit, but there's nothing in that paragraph that prevents, say, Joe the Plumber from bringing one also.

Super super short version with multitudinous exceptions left out - a statutory right of action can only be brought by those who are granted standing in the statute.  So this is, in point of fact, exclusionary.  If a specific group/entity is named as being the one to bring suit, only that group/entity can do so. 

Now, the comment about private causes of action being found all the time regardless of what the statute, you know, says is very true.  Courts constantly find all kinds of loopholes and exercise the inherent equity power of the court to grant standing due to the harm done and the insufficiency of the state to adequately protect private interests yadda yadda yadda.  For those of us who oppose that in other contexts, well, man up and take it here. 

151 "expressio unius est exclusio alterius (The express mention of one thing excludes all others)."

But that's stupid.  The English language has perfectly good words like "only" for this purpose.  If the legislators didn't use such a word, they didn't intend to use such a word and the language of the paragraph means what it says it means.

Larger issue: This is a nation of laws and laws should mean what they say.  We are not (or shouldn't be) a nation that is an oligarchy of the legal profession with its arcane and illogical rules.

But thank you, Karl, I don't blame you.  When the revolution comes, we will spare a few lawyers like yourself and will train you for plumbing.

152 The FBI will not do a fucking thing and the DOJ is too busy putting border agents in prison. We the people will have to do it ourselves or suffer the consequences. Remember what Ben Franklin said "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

153 That's it. Over. Get ready for Obama for life.

GOP's problem -- following the law, instead of counter-stuffing the ballots themselves.

154 What a clusterfuck. You mean nobody knew this already?
The lowers courts couldn't read the statue either?
The Repubs have been taking this shit since Nixon in 1960, it has to stop.
Bush needs to get the AG on this now. It is a national problem. Ohio is just the head on the big zit of voter fraud right now. It's time to bust this baby and deal with it.

155 maybe i'm not understanding...if she doesn't do anything with the registrations, wouldn't the county boards then have the right NOT to send ballots for these unverified registrants? Wouldn't you have to be verify before you are allowed a vote???

I must be missing something here...

156 christy

I know and wont it be amazing to see the neo progressive Obummer Dems twist in a pretzel to somehow accept the Powell endorsement when they are such such 'doves' on the war and hate Hillary so much for her AUMF vote..

I saw the video of Powell dancing too, maybe he feels like he got screwed and is making a statement to try and redeem himself in history, maybe he believes the MSM frame that he was an unwitting tool who lied to the UN, yada yada. It will be a hit with Independents I think, they love Powell.

I dunno, I am a shell shocked 20 yr DEM, PUMA, voting country first, looking around, blinking as the groups I belonged to and contributed to and the politicians I thought represented us, all were revealed to be absolute horror shows. They came right out and told us, WE DONT NEED YOU, GO AWAY,

the blue collar workers, women, "ethnic Dems', moderates, other minorities (cause in their frame there is only one this season), Catholics, Seniors. Queen Donna Brazille on CNN said we dont need the base, we have a new coalition of people of color and youth, and Begala said you cant win with AAs and eggheads. Donna told we PUMAS before we were PUMAS on her Blackberry nasty messages including MESSAGE TO BASE. STAY HOME.

Obummer has the silicon valley IT exec youth money in his pocket and Soros on his shoulder, Good Grief, I just want the GOP to lay down the 160mill and blanket the airwaves with the truth about Obummer.

I know we have the win for MAC, becuase ALL of we moderate DEMS are coming over, I am totally convinced of it, totally.
SO if we get conservative, HA!! in our estimate, and only count 1/3 of we 18 million DEM primary voters coming over, thats 6 million of us. So can we energize the GOP base, consolidate the Indies, and then with the minimum of 6 million crossover DEMS have a big enough margin to overtake the ACORN frauds and stuffed ballots of Lake County and others see NC on Nov 5th?

Barry ususally threatens rioting when it is a close race, to encourage people to be fearful and just vote for him to avoid trouble. It worked with our Superdelagates in our primary (and their manufactured white guilt or whatever the hell it is, me I vote for my country and feel PRIDE in it, no race involved). We need to fire up our voters to GOTV :0)

thi is incredibly frustrating to see a second time around..
COUNTRY FIRST

157 Kris,
Tthe county officials can't do crap if she doesn't say anything is wrong with them. How would they even know which ones? Only she has the list.

158 Check Drew's update.  The ruling is specifically about the TRO...and I think the court probably has a point there.  I don't like the ruling, of course...but it is not a betrayal of their duty either.  TROs are supposed to be hard to get and then only available to parties with standing.  Look, the Repubs have gotten a lot out of this.  Their base is mad ( and will be madder now) and all the undecideds are noticing what ACORN is doing.  The FBI is involved with ACORN nation wide.  Relax.  Keep working.

Posted by: The Obvious at October 17, 2008 12:21 PM (1g+FW)

That is precisely my take.

159 kris g

they will just show up at the polls, say their name is joe schmo, and get to vote.

there will be no flag to instead give them a provisional ballot. they just come and vote..

acorn has databases of all the fraudulent names they registered and peeps can just show up at the polls and say, hi I am xxx, and then they will vote

ARGLE

we will have to have our turnout and a big margin and then have our ducks in order (our lawyers) ready to fight to keep our votes valid.

People may laugh, but I watched the Roolz Cmte on May 31st take UNOPENED MAIL IN ballots and WITHOUT OPENING THEM GIVE them to Obummer based on EXIT POLLS of what they THOUGHT he WOULD have gotten if his name had bene on the G-D Ballot.

they violated our charter

they even took 4 DELS representing over 18,000 MI votes who ACTUALLY VOTED HILLARY and GAVE them to Obummer too, WTH is that??

they just break the roolz for him in some kind of insane freeforall

I want our fight ready and laid out so we dont have to go thru this again, I feel SCOTUS coming in November, we need to DROWN the lib Justices (HA HA and I used to like them HA!) in enough whatever we need to prove our case and get MAC PALIN in.

I know it seems dramatic, but this is what they do.

Soryr for CAPS, I am pretty BITTER

Oh good LOUD crowd for MAC on fox, yay

160 Tiime to join Ace and WickedPinto and get drunk. Where's my R&R?

161 Thanks, Rocks. Now I understand. She just sends a list of registered voters to each precinct and they have no clue about the data behind it.

When I go to vote in VA, I have to show ID and they check it against their name/address info.

In MD, all you had to do was walk in and say your name. No ID, and no checking. The only thing they asked was that you recite your address, I think. But you can SEE the paper right there on the table in front of them.

Crazy how some states are so lax in their requirements.

162

So Mickey Mouse, his lovely bride, and dead parents are registed to vote in Columbus, OH?

You peeople are mouseists!!!

163 Ah! I just wish we had the election next week. I want this to be over with so much. At this point, I'm just hoping for minimal losses in the senate.

164 It's making me think worse of Bush pretty much every passing day. McCain called for the surge starting in 2004. McCain opposed the Medicare drug plan and all those porkfests that Bush encouraged and signed.

Are we seeing the final result of GW Bush's personal animus toward a person who is just a better man than he is? What alternative explanation can there be?

Posted by: funky chicken at October 17, 2008 01:18 PM (xyyHG)

I've defended you in your advocacy of John McCain but you are going off the deep end now.  I'll refrain from listing all of the negative points on John McCain at this time in order to be consistent with my admonishments of others who are doing this in the middle of the election but you would be well served to revisit them in order to help you back off the edge.

165

Posted by: whiskey at October 17, 2008 01:59 PM (4878o)

Posted by: chris at October 17, 2008 02:12 PM (a9KY7) 

bullshit.  whiskey, you've been criticizing McCain for a long time, right?  If this kind of crap doesn't make you want to get up and fight for his victory, I simply can't imagine what is wrong with you.

 

I would like to extend my congratulations to Herbert Hoover and Richard Nixon.  You gentlemen can rest in peace now, knowing that GW Bush has far surpassed your former positions as worst republican presidents.  Neither of you can hold a candle to the "accomplishments" of GW Bush. 

 

166

This should dialog should really motivate us ALL to vote. No longer will I assume (as admittedly I’ve done in the past, with a bit of embarrassment too as I look back) that my vote isn’t necessary. No longer will I be too busy with work, kids, house repair shit, etc not to cast my ballot. No longer will I assume that the other guy’s donation to GOP or the neighbor gal’s phone bank work for McCain will cover me. Time to get off my ass and do something, everything, to get McCain/Palin in and all of the lefties out. No more bashing. Real-Constructive-Effort by every one of us is needed. Right. Now.

 

Maybe this isn’t the right place to post this, I don’t know. Anybody else seen the article over at American Thinker by James Simpson written back at the end of September? It scared the bejesus out of me as to how closely Obambi is affiliated with ACORN, the New Party, etc.  I don’t know how to do one of those tiny url-things so go to American Thinker DOT com and plug in “Obama” and “Manufactured Crisis”. Simpon appears to have done his homework on this, lots of links to cross verify. These connections coupled with the babysitting thing (if it pans out) should make every American quake.

167 For those asking about what, if anything, individual voters can do the answer is nothing -- under HAVA. An Ohio voter/voters could bring suit based on their constitutional right to vote, but getting an order for Brunner to comply with the HAVA requirements would be almost impossible because you would basically have to prove that these questionable registrations are going to lead to fraud. Once the votes are cast -- and can be shown to be fraudulent or whatever -- then the individual lawsuits will gain some traction. Until then, at least, I think Brunner is off the hook.

168 Quote: This post would be much better with phone numbers. We found out Joe the Plumber's complete voting history in three days. We have to be able to find [b]someone[b] in the AG's office that will actually answer the phone.

Posted by: Al at October 17, 2008 01:34 PM (Lk931)

Here you go: 

by e-mail: AskDOJ@usdoj.gov

BY PHONE:

Department of Justice Main Switchboard - 202-514-2000

Office of the Attorney General - 202-353-1555

There is also a list of office numbers on that page. I've sent e-mails to the President and the DoJ... I'm about to start on the phone banks.

169 It's all part of Karl Rove's master plan.

This election will end up dead-locked in the courts for years, leaving George W in power.

RethuglifascNeoconservapigHitlerBoosh rule 4evah!

170

Yeah... lots of Presidents got rehabilitated years after the fact - Reagan, George Sr., Clinton (to an extent), Grant... Probably Truman wins the "Most Rehabilitated President" trophy. But Dubya's going down with Hoover. On the bright side he's still better than Carter and, um, Buchanan.

171 169 krak, shoot me.

172 If you're a Republican in Ohio, I recommend boycotting the election, actually. Then take to the streets.

173 But Dubya's going down with Hoover.

That's moronic.  Bush (1) never raised taxes, (2) nominated two excellent young conservative justices to the Supreme Court (Meiers will be forgotten), and (3) most importantly, pretty much defeated the terrorists single-handedly.

He'll do fine in the history books.  Even future generations of Iraqis will read about him approvingly.
 

174 Funky Chicken -- I've already made calls, walked precincts, and the like. But it's useless --

McCain won't FIGHT. Won't fight, file lawsuits charging fraud, call out Obama on his stealing the election, his Marxism, his racist Church, fellow parishoners, pastor, and campaigning for Sharia in Kenya with Cousin Raila Odinga.

McCain WANTS TO LOSE. He ran just to deprive Rudy, Huck, or Mitt of victory. He's not interested in winning. He's a disaster.

Obama is not Kerry, or Dukakis or Gore. Those guys would have been defeated 4 years later. OBAMA will rule for LIFE.

I KNOW I'm going to jail under his regime -- that's why I am so upset. Don't think for a second either, that you won't too, along with Ace, Allahpundit, Dirty Harry, Michelle Malkin, and Sean Hannity.

Blogs get banned under the Fairness Doctrine, and the media gets a bailout and is government owned.

You can't win with 200K known fraudulent votes in Ohio alone. Imagine how many in Florida.

175 We seem to rapidly approaching the point where the citizens need to stand for themselves, as their government and its attendant elite close in on completely insulating themselves from the riff-raff.

It is interesting to note, vis-a-vis the sub-prime bomb, this particular election crisis is a bomb built by the Democrat elites, but with the full support of Republican elite.

They believe themselves a new aristocracy, though they don't yet dare use that word to describe themselves. Their actions are indistinguishable from those petty little puffed up dandies that have, literally, lorded over the common people from time immemorial by simple virtue of their caste.

176

Blacksheep, so, Bush Is Awesome, huh? Iraqi history books are sure going to have a lot of Awesome things to say about the foreign adventurer who eased the way for Iran to turn their country into a couple of Persian provinces with a Sunni hinterland of Mad Max extras. Hoo boy.

In order to be remembered well, you have to lay an enduring foundation. Historians roll their eyes at, e.g., Emperor Julian, and Timur the Lame. Ditto, Dubya the Lame.

177 The USAG could bring an emergency petition before SCOTUS to rule the case on its merits. I believe that the AG has standing. However, I fully expect Bush and Co.to stand by idly while a presidential election is stolen. No matter what happens in Iraq, that will be Bush's legacy: an aider and abettor of vote fraud on a massive scale.

Thanks, Mr. President. May you rot in Hell. You'll still be called a racist and a demon by the Democrats, but at least you can claimed you reached across the aisle when it mattered most during an election year. Or rather, that you failed to do a fucking thing.

178 I live in Ohio and I am smokin hot pissed furious over this!!

I'll do whatever it takes to make my voice heard and not let my vote get diluted by questionable unchecked voter registrations and votes.

WE all need to get ready to RIOT the streets over this. This is the USA for God's sake....not some third world banana republic.

179 As for having defeated the terrorists, I generally don't make a habit of arguing with complete fucking idiots, but you ought to read up on how Pakistan is doing these days.

180

First of all there are 200,000 registrations with some kind of discrepancy.  Lots of them are likely simple typos, transcription errors, and other mistakes that do not make them fraudulent.  I do not believe there are 200,000 fraudulent registrations.  Get a grip and think about how hard it would be to produce that many outright fake registrations AND get them past the local election boards.  Not gonna happen. 

Bush won Ohio by over 110,000 votes in 2004.  Hillary won the Ohio primary.  Obama is not that popular there.  Do not believe the polls.  Republicans have been registering new voters in Ohio too. 

Remember where Joe the Plumber lives.  He is twice as famous now in Ohio as he is in the rest of the country and is like $2 million of free advertising for McCain.   The RNC had the most effective GOTV ever seen in Ohio in 2004 and they are bringing back the same people this time.  I know people who were there and these people know what they are doing. 

Even if there are a non-trivial number of fraudulent cotes cast for Obama in Ohio, McCain can still win IF WE DO NOT DESPAIR AND WE KEEP WORKING HARD.  Like Hugh Hewitt says, "If It's Not Close They Can't Cheat."

If you really care about this and have the time, volunteer to go to Ohio and work on the 72-hour program.  Get our people to the polls!

181 To those who think President Obama may get to nominate [and a Dem majority in the Senate confiirm] two to three SCOTUS justices - think again: The number will be AT LEAST 3, and quite possibly 6.

First: let's review the bidding.

There are 9 justices. 7 were appointed by Republican presidents [Ford 1, Reagan 2, GHWB 2, and GWB 2], and 2 by Bill Clinton.

Of the 7 appointed by Republican presidents, 4 have turned out hard core "conservative" [Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito], 1 fairly liberal [Stevens], 1 moderately liberal [Souter] and one independent [Kennedy].

[The two Clinton appointments have turned out the most liberal- Ginsberg- and the other moderate liberal: Breyer.]

Given the four Republican appointees who vote as a block - always - and the two Republican appointees who turned out fairly to moderately liberal Court tend to vote fairly to moderately liberal with the two Clinton appointees, the Court has come to be dominated by Kennedy.

The strongest writers - I'm not talking political philosophy here, I'm talking about words written that have a large effect down through the entire judicial branch - have turned out to be first, naturally, Kennedy, and second, Breyer.

The latter might strike some of you here as odd, but the fact is that Thomas is pretty much a complete zero, and Scalia is too far right of everyone to attract any coalition.

Now look at the ages:

88 Stevens
75 Ginsberg
72 Kennedy
72 Scalia
70 Souter
69 Breyer

60 Thomas
58 Alito
53 Roberts

Of the oldest 6, 4 have made noises about leaving "early", and an argument can be made that all 4 having been hanging on in hopes of a change in the presidency:

Stevens, Ginsberg, Kennedy and Souter.

That's 3 liberals - from definitely liberal [Ginsberg] to fairly liberal [Stevens] to moderately liberal [Souter], and the one independent.

On Roe v Wade, were it to return to the Court, all four would be expected to leave it as is.

I would expect the next president to replace at least 3 if not all 4. I know this is going to bug y'all but that's not my purpose here; however, if Obama replaced all 4 then the Court would be 5:4 for the status quo on Roe v Wade, and critically more predictably liberal given the replacement of Kennedy with a liberal.

Except for this: I really don't believe President Obama would replace any more than one of the 4 with a so-called "principled" liberal. You have to understand this: to become gold medalist at Harvard and one of the top lecturers in Constitutional Law in the country, you have to say a lot of words on a lot of issues, and those words said by Obama on the Constitution overall show him to be a moderate liberal on most issues.

But I won't test your credulity by suggesting any would be turning over Roe v Wade.

I also want to point something out about the CURRENT court: Look at how many REPUBLICAN appointees have voted fairly to moderately liberal on so many issues: 3. That's 3 out of 7.

Ask yourself this: If Obama gets to appoint 4 judges in his first term, how many will turn out reflexively liberal? I would guess the number to be between 2 and 4, with the strongest odds being 3.

Bear in mind that neither Harvard Law nor Chicago Law are hotbeds of liberal judicial thinking. You may think they're the same as Berkeley or Princeton, but the fact is that both are moderate liberal to centrist, taken as a whole.

A brief word on the remaining 5:

Of the two remaining oldies, each of Scalia and Breyer seem to enjoy themselves too much to leave "early", and in any event neither has made any noises about doing so. However, just looking at physique and demeanor, you have to put the odds of Scalia being replaced in the next 4 or 8 years as higher than for Breyer.

Now as to the 3 youngest: Roberts looks to be like he takes care of himself, and Alito too; but Thomas is an angry fat guy who wears resentment like a badge and gets no credit for anything because he's so useless - and knows it - and those 4 factors suggests he's a more likely candidate for early departure than either Scalia or Breyer.

Women? There's only one now, and no one in their right mind thinks Obama will not make the number higher. This may or may not mean anything, but looking at the wiki entry for Canada's Supreme Court, they've got 3, including the CJ. So I would guess Obama will go woman-man alterating. At the end, he will leave 2 to 4 women on the SCOTUS. I''ll go further: if Scalia leaves, Obama, who has a pretty cool sense of humor, will replace him with a woman.

Blacks? Hispanics? Obviiously if Thomas were to "leave" - I think there's a fair chance he will blow up within Obama's first term - there's your black replacement. But blacks as a whole are at about 1 in 9, so I think Obama's first appointment is very likely to be an Hispanic - and a woman as well. My guess? Janet Napolitano.

Hillary? Maybe. She's actually a pretty damned decent lawyer, less charismatic if you will than Bill, but more consistent and centrist. Also, appointing her deals with a challenge in 2012 in a variety of ways that help Obama. I like her chances for replacing Kennedy.

So there you are. Ace - Do your best to keep this website going for a few years so folks can check my predictions, as well as their own.

As to predictions - hey, I was correct on the ORP v Brunner call.

182 Well said, rockmom.

183 But that's stupid.  The English language has perfectly good words like "only" for this purpose.  If the legislators didn't use such a word, they didn't intend to use such a word and the language of the paragraph means what it says it means.

Yes, but you're using Earth logic which has no place in the law.  I think it's important to remember that federal courts have jurisdiction over only the enumerated original jurisdiction matters listed in the Constitution.  All other subject matter jurisdiction is granted under statute.  Thus, the default is that no one can sue, not that everyone can sue.  That means that when a statute lists x can bring suit, rules of statutory construction mean that only x can bring suit.  There is no need to include the term only because the reference to one excludes all other.   So, yes, the language of the paragraph means what it says.  It says that Congress has created a cause of action that is owned by the AG.  That's it.  No one else.

Remember, it's very important to heave common sense out the window when dealing with legal matters.  That's the third thing you're taught in law school.  First thing you're taught is CYA and the second thing is always get your fees first. 

184 Congratulations, DD, on discovering paragraphs and punctuation.

185 Congratulations, DD, on discovering paragraphs and punctuation.

Its still just a blur of scroll-wheel to me.

186

rockmom, "First of all there are 200,000 registrations with some kind of discrepancy.  Lots of them are likely simple typos, transcription errors, and other mistakes that do not make them fraudulent.  I do not believe there are 200,000 fraudulent registrations.  Get a grip and think about how hard it would be to produce that many outright fake registrations AND get them past the local election boards.  Not gonna happen."

Oh? If it's all innocent "loose shit", you'd think Ohio would come together in bipartisan fashion to tie it up. You'd expect the various governments to say stuff like "unacceptable" and "heads will roll" and even, if they wanted to make a partisan point out of it, "as Democrats we must be serious about protecting democracy".

It didn't happen, and had to go to SCOTUS, because the Democratic machine wants the fudge factor of 200,000. With that much power to create a mess, the idea that it would be somehow difficult for these guys to "get them past the local election boards" in, ah, "organised communities" seems... hopeful. Awesomely hopeful.

187 As for having defeated the terrorists, I generally don't make a habit of arguing with complete fucking idiots, but you ought to read up on how Pakistan is doing these days.

Sorry Bush couldn't defeat all terrorists everywhere for you, but he only had eight years, and the Dems were fighting hard for the other side. 

Bush freed sixty million people from the tyranny of the Baathists and the Taliban.  He ostracized AQ, and his armies have killed literally tens of thousands or terrorists who meant the U.S. harm.

Most importantly, he prevented any more attacks opn U.S. soil, which virtually every lefty dimwit in the country assumed (OK, hoped) would happen afetr 9/11.

And your boyfriend Clinton?  What was he doing while the storm of terrorism gathered all around us.  Literally fiddling with his dick.  Nero, indeed.

Bush has had many shortcomings as a President.  Fighting the terrorists hasn't been one of them.

188

NEWS FLASH:

Rocker and Ohio Native Chrissie Hynde Predicts McCain/Palin Win. Heh.

While flipping through my latest issue of Blender magazine, which sucks far less than Rolling Shit, I came across this curious interview with Pretenders frontwoman Chrissie Hynde:

Q: You live in a swing state. Are you going to campaign for Obama?

A: I'm a British citizen. To be honest, there's nothing I want to talk about less than politics. I'd rather vomit and lick it up. I like Obama, but he's not gonna win. Trust me, I know my people.

And there you have it folks. Since no president in recent history has won an election without Ohio, the Pretenders political prognosticator has just called the election for McCain/Palin. I think that's racist Chrissie.

... A O  Ohio where did you go.... (insert guitar solo here)

189 Why didn't the GOP know about the standing issue?  They did.  The District Court and the 6th Cir Ct App weren't going to be the ones to pull THAT trigger, though.

190

I realize this is probably futile, but:

Riddle me this, why is the person in charge of Elections in OH a partisan position?

That just seems like a huuuuuuuuge conflict of interest there.

Be honest: Did you say the same about Katharine Harris?

191 Dammit, they have a cave troll on this thread.

David Ross: Stuff the crybaby whiner talk up your ass, loser. Boycotting the election WILL deliver Ohio to The Obamessiah, which is NOT going to help things, fake voters or no fake voters. It's definitely the best policy to use your God-given right to actually VOTE, and be heard, then sit at home in a drunken stupor, and be ignored completely. Speaking of which, if you actually do boycott, never comment on this blog again, you ACORN-whipped pussy.

Oh yeah, and save that stupid poser-talk about rioting for your comments at Daily Kos. Real American citizens will pursue all peaceful, Constituional-based means of legally pursuing the electoral process until (maybe) the Left makes it impossible. But first we win legal, we win fair, and then we teabag the Obamabots for their useless cheating. Then we tell them to STFU, quit crying, and get jobs like the rest of us. 

Besides, if it goes too far, WE won't riot or engagew in any other useless stunt. We'll get organized, get our guns (and ammo and rations and bottled water) and show the Lefties what a REAL revolution looks like.

192 BO has cheated and cheated HARD in every single election he's won.

It's part of his 'modus operandi', of his life-style, of his way of being. It's pay-back.
See how Joe the plumber has been massacred-the guy is vindinctive.

I believe that BO ENJOYS working at every loophole of voter fraud. He's been at it for at least 16 years.

Why do people comply-because as in Texas he told them that if they didn't cheat, Hillary would.
Hillary had no legal foothold against voter fraud, because Party Primaries are considered private matters.

Why are so many Clinton Democrats working so hard to defeat Obama-it's because of Voter Fraud.

193

Coastie, nope. I didn't. But then, Harris wasn't the one breaking her own state's law, was she?

Harris didn't force Gore to recount friendly districts only, or to do it repeatedly; and she didn't force the supreme court in Florida to neglect their own election laws to the point the case had to bubble all the way up to SCOTUS.

194 Riddle me this, why is the person in charge of Elections in OH a partisan position?

Because in a republic government officials have to be responsible to the will of the people. In this case it's directly and personally, I'd rather it be that than same nameless party apparatchik who reports to another one, and another one and at some point the governor.

Democracy is about accountability. Brunner will either pay a price at the ballot box or have her actions ratified. That's okay with me.

195

David Ross is a Paul supporter. Ignore him.

196

Where did I say "riot"? I said "take to the streets" if the election is bogus. As in, "the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances".

197 #191, you and me both. I'm sure we can find enough professionals to make a fair run of it.

198
Remember voting machines too.

Don’t forget that Chuck Hagel is the past CEO of S & S voting machines.

There are no coincidences where Obama is concerned.

In Kuwait, Obama was honored at a banquet at the residence of the emir, Sheikh Sabah al-Ahmad al-Sabah, according to the government news agency.

Obama and the other members of his delegation — Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.) and Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) — also attended a meeting with the ermir and a dozen other state and royal officials of the Gulf state, the government announced.

His Highness the Amir Sheikh Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah received at his Dar Salwa residence Sunday, His Highness the Crown Prince Sheikh Nawaf Al-Jaber Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah, the Deputy Chief of the National Guards Sheikh Mishal Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber and His Highness the Prime Minister Sheikh Nasser Al-Mohammed Al-Ahmad Al-Sabah.

199

Be quiet, Tornado. Get off the keyboard.

/cat sockpuppet off

200

And I'm not recommending individual voters boycott. That would be stupid.

I'm recommending that if the margin of questionable registered voters in a state remains over some arbitrary large number - here it's 5% of the population! - then the Republican Party leadership in that state should call for a boycott and paro general. If most of the Republicans refused to take part in a farce and then went on strike, that would force the issue.

We have to look at the long term here, people.

201 192 other reasons people comply with cheating:

In Virginia, kids are posting comments saying that they have a “right’ to vote twice. How can they believe that! They believe it because the Obama campaign has led them to believe that lying and stealing to win an election is not only okay, it’s the right thing to do.

in states like Ohio, where you don’t need to show ID to vote there is virtually no chance that you will be imprisoned for voting fraudulently. As for the “Mickey Mouse” registrations, those are very rare. It is usually normal names they use. And these 200,000 registrations have problems which really should be addressed before these people are registered and allowed to vote.

Unfortunately, there were 6 days of legal same day registration/voting. Once a vote has been cast, it is out of its provisional envelope, and cannot be distinguished from all the others (votes are by law anonymous).

Ohio is blue. This is the same strategy used with Hillary-who was forced to hobble for the entire campaign with two States less (Florida and Michigan).

202 To contact the U.S. Attorney General's Office: AskDOJ@usdoj.gov  Ask him to sue!!  There are 200,000 potentially fraudulent votes ask risk here.

203

You know, if we just did something reasonable, like say... declaring open season on lawyers one week out of every year we could probably get them to behave better the rest of the year.  In this case I am not sure which ones are at fault but just to be safe I see no downside to hanging them all.  The system they have created is so fucked up that anyone who has been tainted by knowledge of it is suspect in my eyes.

204 195

David Ross is a Paul supporter. Ignore him.

Posted by: polynikes at October 17, 2008 03:55 PM (m2CN7)

Ah, thus the call to "boycott" the election rather than show up in force to support McCain.

205

Vet Brunner.

206 There's a new case against Brunner tonight in Ohio:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/6luaf3

207 WTF?

Let's make things really easy: anyone who wants to vote should go ahead and do so. It doesn't matter how old you are,  or if you're alive or dead, or what nationality you are. We've now basically adopted the No Fucking Problem approach to voting. So if you're a French citizen living in Paris regardless of your age go ahead and vote in our election anyway since no one over here gives a shit.    

208 " My God help us all. Ohio was just stolen. "

Again?  Awwwww.  Were you as upset the first time?

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