1 One has to be able to show oneself on the Upper West Side, of course.

2 Good to see Trevino back in form. tacitus used to be high on my blogroll in '02-3.

3 Good use of the phrase "duplicitous asshole".

4 You must address America in its entirety, not as a sliver or a series of slivers but as a full and whole entity, a great nation trying to hold together. When you don't, when you play only to your little piece, you contribute to its fracturing.

heh.

5

Oh man, that was awesome! 

More please.

6 Self-preservation or mask slipping?

7 It is hard to believe that she used to work for Regan (Also an outside the beltway candidate who did not talk the "smart" way).

8 Is anyone besides me sick to death of Stephanie Cutter, the vitriolic harridan that frequently represents the Obama campaign on Fox News? She is really looking desperate in rattling off her talking points, and has degenerated to the point of shouting over opposing viewpoints.

I would not hit it.

9 The thing I don't get about Parker, Buckley, etc is the idea that not liking McCain/Palin (ok, Palin) means supporting Obama.

Does Parker really think that when Buckley the elder was railing against liberal Republicans in the 50's and 60's he did it by voting for Stevenson or Humphrey?
I think one can dislike McCain and/or Palin and find other ways to register that dissent than actively supporting and voting for Obama. Trust me, I know.

10

Best line:

Let’s make this clear: when you’re getting bombarded with angry emails from your subscribers, you know, the people who pay you money to write stuff that they want to read, you don’t have any right to call their treatment “unfair” when you’re the one being a duplicitous asshole. Just a thought.

 

11 those who shout the loudest are well, fucking liars!

12

At least Noonan, Brooks and Buckley are and/or were somebody.  Who the fuck is Kathleen Parker to tell me anything?

Also, the jerks just don't get it.  I know lots of people who are either pro-choice or don't care about abortion one way or another, don't even know what creationism is, don't particularly care for gay marriage but don't lose sleep over it, and we all absolutely love Sarah Palin.  It's not just the hard core social cons.

13 Alert time:

Can this Drudge headline be correct:

873 Dems
650 Rep

and McCain is only down by 2% with that sample?

This calls for a siren I think.

14 As I've stated elsewhere, this campaign has done a good job of revealing the true colors of some of these quislings.  No matter who wins the election I'll damn sure know who I'd trust and who I'll never turn my back on.  Noonan has completely shit the bed and will end up having nobody that respects her, because the vermin she's sucking up to will turn on her at the drop of a hat.  Fuck her.  I can understand people having issues with McCain because he pisses me off as many times as not; but to badmouth Palin flies in the face of citizen government serving at the consent of the governed.

15 The Noonan/Brooks critique of Sarah Palin = "All she does is catch touchdowns."

16 Peggy Noonan:  In the end the Palin candidacy is a symptom and expression of a new vulgarization in American politics.

This from the woman who can see nothing but class, sophistication and brilliancy from Obambi.
I used to think that the Clintons had some dark secrets or spells to keep the Washington press in line. I had seen nothing yet.
Either Obama has something better than the Clintons or there is something wrong with the Perrier in Washington.

17 I wish we could vote out our "conservative" pundits.  Joe the plumber and Palin are doing the job these clowns used to do.  The Fox allsucks are pathetic, I don't even watch them anymore. 

18 Slublog: "After reading today's Peggy Noonan and Kathleen Parker columns..."

You know, from this point forward, it might be a good idea to start skipping their "insights." They no longer understand who they claim to represent. I now wonder if they ever did. It seems to me that they're the same attention-seekers that typically evolve out of the D.C. swamp, seeking the path of least resistance and most navel-gazing disguised as analysis.

A pox on both their houses.

19 I'd love to throw a pie in her face.

20 Can this Drudge headline be correct:

873 Dems
650 Rep

and McCain is only down by 2% with that sample?

This calls for a siren I think.

I know I am an eeyor, but the battleground states look like almost a lock for The One. Virginia over 8% for the bambi in RCP averages? If VA goes we are toast. Specially because of early voting. Here in NC early voting started and the volume is 10 times what it was in 2004, and obambi is ahead in the polls. If someone can turn me into tigger I am all for it.

21

This raises a strong point, and it's something Rush alluded to yesterday on his show in regards to cats like Fred Barnes and even a guy whom I admire, Charles Krauthammer. It seems like they are hedging their bets and trying to find an alibi for supporting a guy who is diametrically opposed to everything we as conservatives stand for.

It may in fact be time to throw off the current group of pundits. We have seen head-scratchingly brain-damaged goods come out of National Review and the Weekly Standard, we've seen woe-is-me Eeyoreism come out of Malkin's site, we see populist douchebaggery come out of O'Reilly (admittedly not regarded as a mainstream conservative pundit), and it seems that the true conservatives writing out there today do not come from within the Beltway.

In addition, we are losing a pundit/anchor who I believe to be a true conservative in Brit Hume- although replacing him on another show with a good guy in Glenn Beck- but objectively, as FNC begins to shore up its defenses to preserve itself in advance of an oncoming Fairness Doctrine, is it not time to realign and reestablish conservative principles? Is it not time for such, regardless of presidential outcome?

By abandoning conservative principles congressionally, Republicans betrayed the people's trust. The only way to overcome that is to return, by actions and not by words, to conservatism, and deliver it unapologetically and forcefully. That begins in punditry- to advance our friends and colleagues who are conservatives, and to advance political candidates who are genuine conservatives. One is running for Vice-President.

She, and her running mate, deserve our vote.

tmi3rd

22 Keep it up Peggy.  Pretty soon, you be right up there with Maureen Dowd and you two can drown your sorrow (as no one wants to read your drivel) together.

23 I think that tacitus has scratched some conservatives and found that the depth of these people's convictions extends no deeper than their next paycheck from their publisher.  If we stop reading them, we could fix that.

24

From 16: Peggy Noonan:  In the end the Palin candidacy is a symptom and expression of a new vulgarization in American politics.

Vulgar?!? Noonan calling the Palin candidacy vulgar?!? Who the fuck does this bitch think she is?! Just because Palin didn't attend Georgetown or Hahvahd or Yale or some other liberal indoctrination institution??

I'll tell what would be vulgar. Maybe Palin should just field dress Noonan like does those poor moose up in Alaska. And after she finishes with Noonan she can do the same to Parker and that gimp Krauthammer.

 

25

peggy noonan can pull on a pecker. She blasts Palin, who is drawing the biggest crowds of each of the 4.
Noonan,Kristol, and Buckley are all snobs from super schools.

I love how they are mad that republicans are pissed at buckley. What do they expect? Obama is a socialist and the farthest thing from conservative you can be.

Conservatives can lash out at McCain for his last 8 years under Bush. Fact is, on spending Mac is one of the best and longest advocates against waste and has been his whole career. On taxes he is for lower taxes. On foriegn affairs he is a hawk, and a brilliant one at that. He is pro-life. He is pro-gun.

His career record as a conservative is something like 90%. The elite republicans are just trying to suck ass for fear of an Obama admin.

 

Which shows their true self. Instead of standing strong and fighting for what is right. They not only lay down. They join in on bashing one of the best politicians and one of the most authentic and genuine person the party has had since Reagan. I am not saying she is Reagan. She is a magnificent asset. In her article Peggy acts like she is living in liberal land where Palin is just some hockey mom from alaska with no accomplishment. Fuck her.

Palin has accomplished more than Obama. She has fought against corruption and greed. She is an advocate of the poeple. An advocate against big government.

I thinky pissy-pants Peggy is jealous. What is funny though. At the VP debate peggy was gushing over Palin. Now all of the sudden Palin is not worth spit. Poeple like peggy and cris are the reason mac is not thumping obama. THey ae poisoning the well,for their own personal survival.

26 There's a reason Americans mistrust intellectuals: they fuck shit up. (Pardon my French.)

Via Drudge:


"OUTER space smells of fried steak, scientists revealed yesterday.

The universe also has an aroma of hot metal and motorbike welding, Nasa experts said."


Like the song says -- "Our God is an awesome God."

27 If we stop reading them, we could fix that.

I read a lot of publications but the only $ I spend on news is Rush 24/7 and donations to the conservative blogs. The newspapers are not good enough for my bird cages, and toilet paper is a lot softer.

28 In defense of Ms. Noonan, she hasn't said she supports Obama at all. She's just disappointed with Palin, and she makes a pretty good point:

Conservatives have fallen in love with who Sarah represents: the small town middle-class family woman. But that description can apply to liberals as well as conservatives. On the question of what Sarah believes, fundamentally, about conservative small government principles, we still don't really know. She's pro-life, and a supporter of increasing the domestic energy supply... and that's all we know.

Remember, we liked what Bush represented, too, but he has turned out to be a big spender, and not a solid conservative. There is a huge difference between what a candidate believes and what he represents. Reagan ran his campaign entirely on what he believed: small government and an end to wasteful spending. Palin is running on where she comes from and who she represents, and those are not the same things at all.

It's not going to change my vote because I think McCain himself is a great man and a good, small-government believer. But I would like to know more about Palin's political ideals. If she were at the top of the ticket, I would *demand* to know more.

29 well, if she truly isn't going to vote for obama, maybe she should shut her trap until AFTER the election.

30 On the question of what Sarah believes, fundamentally, about conservative small government principles, we still don't really know. She's pro-life, and a supporter of increasing the domestic energy supply... and that's all we know.

So the whole clearly demonstrated Palin record on reduced government spending and corruption-busting has completely flown over your head. You are an idiot.

31 I think a lot of this reflects the differences between old-line cons and the more libertarian-inclined modern cons. I'm thinking of people like Ace, Insty, Eric Raymond (esr to us Unix geeks), and others: socially liberal, defense hawks, small government. Classical liberals, in other words. I think this bothers a substantial segment of the old-line cons, who -- being mainly coastal blueblood types -- dislike what they see as the...less cerebral...aspects of the conservative movement. You see a lot of this attitude among older Republicans who tend more to the pro-business end of the conservative spectrum.

I don't worry too much because the fractures on the Democrat side are even more fundamental: between Big Labor and minorities, between the abortion supporters and the heavily religious black caucus, between the anti-business greenies and the Southern and Midwestern blue dogs.

The two-party system hides a lot of fundamental political differences (a good thing, in my view).

32 What I find most insulting is that Parker and Buckley go back to that old WFB line about separating the Right from the kooks.  Their little way of simultaneously dismissing and insulting us, I suppose.  But it totally breaks down, and exposes them as frauds, when they praise the Messiah.  Truth is, they've separated themselves from the Right.  No way even a lukewarm conservative could support Obama.  The picture of Buckley with Arianna and Markos from months ago says it all... they never really liked us to begin with.

33 I know I am an eeyor, but the battleground states look like almost a lock for The One. Virginia over 8% for the bambi in RCP averages? If VA goes we are toast. Specially because of early voting. Here in NC early voting started and the volume is 10 times what it was in 2004, and obambi is ahead in the polls. If someone can turn me into tigger I am all for it.

UUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMM look at the Political weightings they are ridiculous in there weighting of D's & R's

34 Remember, we liked what Bush represented

What's this we Kemosabi?

I never bought into his compassionate conservative crap. He was just the lesser of two evils also.

35 One more time: These people are not intellectuals, they are rhetoriticians.  Any true intellectual task (a quick test is calculus) is far beyond them. They see themselves as intelligent, when they are confusing it with pomposity and eliteness.

A true intellectual is tasked with explaining a complicated concept simply.  These people take simple concepts and try to make them as convoluted as possible.

36 I'm a Republican lawyer living and working in Washington and here's how it goes: I wrote an article for the on-line American Spector criticizing Obama that his connection to failed bank owner Penny Pritzker is a signal of his bad judgment about banking at a time when the great banking crisis demands the best judgment on banking.

Then I'm at my son's high school baseball game. A team-mate's mother, whose husband is an investment banker, stops by my seat, strikes up a conversation; at some point I mention my article. Immediately she says, tone dripping scorn, "Oh, so you think Palin would make a good President, do you?" -- indicating that to her, the only reason to criticize Obama is to help elect Palin, not because the criticism might be valid. "I sure do," say I promptly, adding "but the choice is between Obama and McCain, not Obama and Palin." "We're not having this conversation," she says, and continues on to where her husband is sitting a few rows away.

Noonan and the others are inoculating themselves on Palin because it is used as an instant test of basic judgment. There is no upside for them on defending Palin -- if they don't abandon Palin, they may not get the chance to be published in top-level outlets in the future. All the pissed-off readers will come back to them later on, anyway -- that is their calculation.

37

yes, we do know what Palin believes. She has said what she believes. I guess though that you are not paying attention.

She is for small govenment. Low taxes. Cutting spending. She is for better education(she is the only one of the 4 to send her children to public schools) she believes in equal opportunity and has said title 9 changed her life. She is against corruption and special interests. She is for the poeple and believes they know how to spend their money better than government.

It is pretty clear what she believes to me. It is much less clear what Senator Government believes. He trys to be all things to all poeple and flip-flops on a daily basis.

38 I'm done with Noonan.

39 #26:

With those scents, at the very least it would seem that He is definitely a He.

40 From 28: She's pro-life, and a supporter of increasing the domestic energy supply... and that's all we know.

I concede that I would like to see Palin articulate a deeply held conservative philosophy like Reagan did, and this will become a necessity for her eventually.
But we do know more about her than what you indicate.
She exemplifies with her life and with her choices ( in private and public life) what her values are:
Personal responsibility, reliance on self and family rather than government, rejection of wasteful spending,  value and sanctity of life, traditional family values as the cornerstone of our democracy, strong military, entrepreneurial spirit, returning taxes to the taxpayer, efficient government, accountable government.

41

Remember, we liked what Bush represented, too, but he has turned out to be a big spender, and not a solid conservative.

Really? We did? I never thought he was a solid conservative; I thought he was an entitled Tory drone (and I think evidence has borne me out). I voted for him in 2004 over Kerry, but I never saw him in the Reagan/Thompson mold.

III

42 Anyone else not able to read the comments on Noonan's piece? It seems like there are dozens of pages of responses, but nothing shows up on me 'puter.

43

I read it throught HotAir, and it was a great analysis. (Although I wouldn't have included the direct link to Christo's obamajob--no traffic is still too much traffic to that asshole.)

44 I like the post, and I am weary of "our" pundits. 

45 "You’ve made a choice that will make it easier for you to maintain your credibility as thought leaders and journalists. There is no nobler choice for supporting a particular candidate than self-preservation."

Exactly right.  These fucking rats are scurrying around trying to assure themselves a prime position to grab a few crumbs that fall from the table of the Obama/Pelosi/Reid thugocracy.

46 @20, I looked at the VA polls. SurveyUSA is a joke, the best poll is 3-point gap. It's doable.

47

Can someone find me one media hack that hasn't gotten a case of the vapors over Sarah Palin?  There is one accurate parallel with George Wallace--he used to drive the brandy snifter set crazy, too.  But I'm having trouble pinning the racist demagogue label on her.  Maybe I just need to go to the cooler parties and lsiten to what Satre would say about it.

Nah--I'll stick with Budweiser and football. 

48 6 Self-preservation or mask slipping?
Posted by: Dave in Texas at October 17, 2008 11:08 AM (eiOZw)

great question. I go with the latter

Posted by: Oldsmoblogger at October 17, 2008 11:35 AM (arEOF)

yep.

49 Palin is in Ohio, and she's hitting Obama hard on Acorn. She asked the Obama campaign to release all communications they've had with Acorn... Good for her.

50 I know I am an eeyor, but the battleground states look like almost a lock for The One.

State polls are lagging indicators even when they're not pure bullshit to begin with.

51

you know, the people who pay you money to write stuff that they want to read

Kat, you picked the gem out of a pile of gems. These scribes are marionettes; they forget that they owe their livelihoods to their readers.

When Christopher Buckley chooses to become the turd in the punchbowl, they get nosebleeds in their rush to join him. Why? Because he'll serve them from a Waterford decanter and not a stadium cup. Makes 'em feel...in. It's just crystal, Peggy; they sell it at Nordstrom. Don't be so starfucked.

I liked Noonan's flensing of Hillary Clinton back in the day, but it's clear that she's gotten too big for her Lycra...

 

52 I thinky pissy-pants Peggy is jealous. What is funny though. At the VP debate peggy was gushing over Palin. Now all of the sudden Palin is not worth spit. Poeple like peggy and cris are the reason mac is not thumping obama. THey ae poisoning the well,for their own personal survival.

Posted by: ppp at October 17, 2008 11:20 AM (zzms

And the mask is slipping. As long as rank and file republicans were willing to accept the council of our Ivy League betters, we were to be respected. Now the rank and file is pleased to be represented by a retired sailor and a gal who only has one college degree from the U of Idaho.

These snobs just cannot bear it. Their disgust at McCain's and Palin's diplomas prevents them from seeing what the candidates have achieved since their college graduations.

simply NOT their kind of people.

53 @50 I looked at two VA polls, Survey USA is bullshit. CNU poll had a weight of 35% independent, 2006 only 25% independent showed up.

54 "I know I am an eeyor, but the battleground states look like almost a lock for The One"

State polls, even aside from some of them being laughably poor methodologically, are a lagging indicator.

Barry WAS ahead -- until the credit crunch stabilized last week.  The dynamics of the race have shifted since then.

55 Why only two posts on Tacitus' blog?  I'd certainly like to read more.

56 counsel, of course

57 To paraphrase Joe Sobran (anti-semite, yeah, I know)

The modern intellectual:  Educated rather than wise, glib without being articulate, and credentialed without accomplishment.  A reason-giving creature rather than a reasoning one.

58 "Oh, so you think Palin would make a good President, do you?"

I had to laugh because I've had exactly the same kinds of encounters. And my answer is always: Yes! Yes I do!

I've never thought that a huge intellect was necessary to be a good politician; in fact, sometimes it gets in the way of plain old common sense. Wilson, FDR, and JFK were all manifestly intelligent men who nevertheless acted with profound stupidity when faced with various domestic and foreign crises; Eisenhower and Truman, conversely, were not exactly Rhodes scholars but were cagey and canny enough to send the city slickers away fleeced, greased, and decreased. Reagan was famously described as "an amiable dunce", but beat out the "nuclear engineer" Carter in a landslide.

I've known plenty of people with PhD's who can expound about interstellar physics but can't change a tire. Smarts are only relevant given the situation at hand: which kind of person do you want speaking for you when the situation goes to hell? I'd rather have the guy who can fix my car rather than the guy who designed my car, if you know what I mean.

59 Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at October 17, 2008 11:39 AM (B+qrE)

best parallel is with Harry Truman
google it!

60 You can not marinate in leftist bilge tank known as Washington DC and not expect to be saturated. After awhile, you end up smelling and looking like the very shit you used to despise. The people you associate with rub off on you. You want their approval. Noonan suffers from low self-esteem. Buckley suffers from the same; he can't be as good as daddy. Kathleen Parker? meh.

61 "There is no upside for them on defending Palin -- if they don't abandon Palin, they may not get the chance to be published in top-level outlets in the future. All the pissed-off readers will come back to them later on, anyway -- that is their calculation."

This is what they thought about the war, too.  But we remember.

And so will she, for the next 12-16 years.  Watching these folks eat tons of shit may be the biggest potential upside of winning.

62 All of the righteous indignation in the world does not erase the cold-douche realities of McCain as the possible leader of the GOP, and what that really means to conservatism.

If there had been this kind of fervor, and self-examination 8 months ago, we might have a more desirable, and legitimately conservative candidate. Rather than going whole-hog conservative, like Duncan Hunter, all the people on this site now pissing and moaning about those who don't like McCain and refusing to be forced to vote for him all had their own preferred flavor of "Republican" rather than the highest conservative scoring one.

63 SCOTUS sides with Brunner? WTF?

64 50, 53, 54

Thanks, that helps

65 OMG, The Ohio Supreme Court sided with Brunner about the 200k registrations. She doesn't have to turn them over.

66 Me, I put the antipathy down to intellectual insecurity. Plus I used a lot more profanity.

67 The beltway conservatives are incoherent on this matter because they don't really believe in anything.

They just chatter.  That's all.

They're lightweights and easily dismissed.  I encounter smarter and more interesting people every day.

68 Posted by: J David at October 17, 2008 11:52 AM (0FYMe)

astroturfer

69

 

About time that Peggy got the slap-down she deserves.

 

70 EC:  Trevino's sort of a schmuck too, btw.

71 Supreme COURT is a FUCKIN JOKE Anthony Kennedy again I bet

72 I posted this in the comments of another post, but wanted to add it here as well:

Peggy Noonan and her ilk make me want to vomit. Kathleen Parker - THE Kathleen Parker wrote a piece saying that Father Buckley is in heaven looking down proudly at what his son Chris has done. I'm a fan of Chris's fiction. 'Thank You For Smoking' is one of my favorite novels of all time (The movie sucked. Read the book). But Chris didn't just decide that he didn't want to vote for McCain. He openly endorsed Barack Obama and said he would vote for him. William Buckley is if anything, spinning in his grave. Obama represents, intelligence notwithstanding, the exact opposite of everything that Buckley has ever stood for. It boggles the mind that anybody could think that Chris Buckley should continue to work and earn a paycheck at the magazine founded by his father, a man who would never in a million years endorse a candidate as far left as Obama.

Noonan says that Palin's nomination is not good for conservatism. Bullshit. The nomination of Palin was the first time that McCain actually GOT IT about conservatives. He understood that conservatives didn't want somebody that embodied a piece here or a nibble there of conservative values, but one that strongly embodied and espoused the values that conservatives do - lower taxes, less government spending, individual liberty, less government regulation and the spirit of entrepenureship, strong support of second amendment rights, and a supporter of true government reform. I was a "Fuck It - McCain 2008" voter until he chose Sarah Palin. Now I proudly display a McCain/Palin sign in my front yard and I'm doing all I can to get them elected including opening my checkbook, something I haven't done for a Republican candidate since 2000.

Yes, I will agree with most anybody that the Bush administration had a tin ear when it came to criticism and that loyalty counted for far too much (Alberto Gonzalez as Attorney General was a disaster) and they along with the GOP controlled Congress deserved to be spanked in the 2006 elections because of their thirst for nothing more than just power.

But at the same time, taxes were reduced. Bush fought the war on terrorism the way it needed to be fought and no terrorist has come close to attacking us here in the US since 9/11. And let's not forget one of the most important things a President does that for only the first time, came up in the last Presidential debate:

The appointment of judicial nominees, including Supreme Court justices. 

Can you imagine the phalanx of left wing judicial nominees that the Democrats and Obama will let loose into the system? There are 36 total federal vacancies right now including 11 appeals court vacancies. There's 26 that are pending, but there's no way in HELL they get a vote this year, especially if Obama wins.

In addition, I wonder if Buckley, Noonan, Parker et al are considering the very likelihood that a President Barack Obama and a Democratic Congress with a filibuster proof majority will no doubt resurrect 'The Fairness Doctrine.' They don't get good ratings for their shitty left wing radio shows, so they'll use the power of the federal government to get their views over the airwaves.

This is one of the more important elections we have faced in the history of our country. Noonan and Buckley and the rest of their ilk can go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut since they think Palin knowing that the latitude and longitude of Doha, Qatar is so fucking important. If Obama wins, they all get what they deserve.

73

"It is hard to believe that she used to work for Regan (Also an outside the beltway candidate who did not talk the 'smart' way)."

Oh, I believe it. Remember, Noonan has also cut up Reagan, her former boss, the man she claimed to admire. Recall this witticism from her? "The battle for the mind of Ronald Reagan was like the trench warfare of World War I: never have so many fought so hard for such barren terrain."

No wonder Noonan likes Obama: they're both skilled at tossing people under the bus when their popularity is threatened. Clearly, she has a prosperous future ahead of her as a pet "conservative" on CNN.

74 I hope these pundits have taken a full dram of the kool aid, and they plan on writing nothing more than how bicthin' the One is for the next 4 years.   If they think they are being attacked by kooks now, wait until they try to write something critical of Obama. 

75 As to the "seperating the right from the kooks" line. I believe NR simply followed their founder's advice. Chris, thy name is kook.

76

But I would like to know more about Palin's political ideals. If she were at the top of the ticket, I would *demand* to know more.

She's not, though. That's the point. She's a vp candidate who has never run for national office before. She should be supporting McCain, not talking about her own ideals.

I was impressed months ago with what she has done in Alaska. She has actually accomplished things that I've been looking for in a conservative.

 

77
"... instead of attempting to silence those who opposed mere party, their movement, and the party ..."

Oh, that's rich, Peggy. Accusing people like me of attempting to silence her. What she calls "attempting to silence" I call criticism.

Great observation in #37 by ppp that Palin is the only one of the four to have sent her children to public schools. I'll be that applies to the turncoat conservative pundits as well. Think they sent their children to public schools?

78 > They see themselves as intelligent, when they are confusing it with pomposity and eliteness.

> A true intellectual is tasked with explaining a complicated concept simply.

AmishDude, that's true enough, though I suspect that's not what most people think of first when they hear the word "intellectual" -- any more than they think of Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin when they hear the word "liberal."

79 I got the Joe the Plumber's address from Atlas Shrugs (it was originally put out there by the nutroots) and I sent him a $50 check. I included the following note:

"Joe, I'm sending you this because you have inspired me in this political season, and because I believe what you believe. I'm also sending this because I have faith in you and your hard work, and I want to support your dream of a successful small business. I know that hardworking Americans like you and me don't like taking charity from anyone, so consider it a loan toward achieving your dream. But don't worry about repaying me - please pay it forward. When you're successful, and come across some hardworking family guy who really needs plumbing work on his home but is having a hard time paying his bills, please give him a $50 discount courtesy of me, and ask him to pay it forward as well.

God bless you, Joe."

80 Oh, my balls are dipped in the awesomeness... 

81

EC:  Trevino's sort of a schmuck too, btw.

Huh?

82 I always thought Noonan was a pretentious snob and never understood what people saw in her. She does not reflect the American people. As to McDonald, heard her a couple of times on the radio. If I ever hear her again, I turn the station off and write a letter of complaint to the station manager. As to Parker and "Christo" (sissy name) never heard of them before and never want to hear about them again.

83 To paraphrase Brock Samson:

Now, Ms. Noonan, touch your throat. That tube you feel is your trachea. Think of it as your handle. That thing your thumb is on is your carotid artery. Think of it as your button. I want you to grab the handle, push the button. Don't let go.

84 Jim62sch, that's really awesome of you to do that.  People like you and Joe are what make this country great.

85 This from the woman who can see nothing but class, sophistication and brilliancy from Obambi.
I used to think that the Clintons had some dark secrets or spells to keep the Washington press in line. I had seen nothing yet.
Either Obama has something better than the Clintons or there is something wrong with the Perrier in Washington.

This election is revealing some interesting fault lines.  It's a fact, though, that the East Coast Beltway/Manhattan conservative punditocracy have more in common (educationally, culturally, and even intellectually) with the Harvard- and Columbia-educated Obama than they do with a fighter pilot from Arizona and a blue-collar working mom from Alaska.

They just come from different universes.

And then there's religion. I'm sure Sarah Palin's evangelical faith must seem crude and unlettered to the high-brow sophisticates, and if you're a raving atheist like Heather McDonald, it must be absolutely odious.

86 ...The result being that we now have "snakes-belly-in-wagon-rut", "whale-shit-at- the-bottom-of-the-ocean" rock-bottom lowest common denominator candidate, against the entire MSM-driven "Hopey-Changey".

87

New state motto of Ohio - "Vote, Rinse and Repeat!"

88 Did Noonan thoroughly piss anyone else off with this? -

“This is not a leader, this is a follower, and she follows what she imagines is the base, which is in fact a vast and broken-hearted thing whose pain she cannot, actually, imagine.”

I read that, and actually said out loud, "Screw you, Noonan."  That ranks right up there with bitter, clinging to guns and religion.

89 I've never been much of a Noonan fan to begin with -- she has turned her Reagan speechwriting gig into a career, thus leveraging a pretty mediocre talent -- and over the years I think she's suffered the fate of many other newspaper columnists for whom opinionating has become just a job. A routine, and truth be told rather boring, job. It's not about personal beliefs any more (if indeed it ever was); it's about filling those columns of newsprint with something.

Noonan probably has one of those cellular-level reactions to Palin that some women instinctively feel for other women. Men will never understand this, I think: we can be killing each other one moment and drinking beer as lifelong pals the next. Women, on the other hand, can carry grudges for their entire lives -- even through the generations -- based on some chemical reaction in the brain that cannot even be expressed in rational terms. Oh, we can attempt some amateur psychoanalysis and say that Palin threatens Noonan: that Palin's embrace of the very quotidian "hockey mom" America that Noonan feels herself superior to is grounds enough for dislike. But this doesn't really strike me as fuel enough for the fire. I suspect that at base it's that age-old reptile-brain female hostility coming out.

90

I've known plenty of people with PhD's who can expound about interstellar physics but can't change a tire.

Yep, and when you're helping out one of these onanists with the tire, they're breathless telling you about how they knew there were metric and inch measurements for wrenches, and how they used to work with their dad on the family car, but they just didn't remember which way nuts go on, and how they used to do this all the time but just haven't done it lately, and they knew it was tighten nuts across from each other...

basically a bunch of trill fraudulent bullshit to conceal the lack of testicles.

BTW: that liberal cocksuck who can't change his own tires? Change it for him, and make sure his wife sees you doing it. She'll be drunkenly groping your codpiece at the next soiree, gar-on-teed.

91 There's no reason for Noonan to be bitter.  Just because Palin is more successful, better looking, has a brighter future, a nice husband and and ...

never mind

92
Women, on the other hand, can carry grudges for their entire lives -- even through the generations -- based on some chemical reaction in the brain that cannot even be expressed in rational terms.

It's usually due to shoe envy.

93 Conservatives have fallen in love with who Sarah represents: the small town middle-class family woman. But that description can apply to liberals as well as conservatives.

Can you name one?  Who actually represents real families?

94

I've long said that the "reality-based" community-Kos, Du, Huffpo, etc., operate from a fiction-based reality.

I submit the same can be said for the conservative elite.

95 Posted by: toby928 at October 17, 2008 12:05 PM (evdj2

lol

96

Yeah, Noonan was stooping to conquer. My cat could've written speeches for Reagan in 1980--the Carter administration was a "target-rich environment" a political "Raft of the Medusa."

Anybody could shine in 1980, and Noonan did. Like trees, though, her kind dies from the top down.

97 86 ...The result being that we now have "snakes-belly-in-wagon-rut", "whale-shit-at- the-bottom-of-the-ocean" rock-bottom lowest common denominator candidate, against the entire MSM-driven "Hopey-Changey".
Posted by: J David at October 17, 2008 12:00 PM (0FYMe)

Hello, Mr. Axelrod. I know you have been encouraged over the last few months by reading conservative invective against Senator McCain. I also realize that you are desperate to see it continue up until election day, because if conservatives decide to vote en masse for McCain/Palin, your golden calf will lose this election.

I believe that you are not going to achieve much here today. I recommend you return to Michelle Malkin's website. The readers there will be easier to influence.

98

Noonan probably has one of those cellular-level reactions to Palin that some women instinctively feel for other women.

So much of the critisism of Palin just sounds like "She's not someone else!"

None of it impresses me. There's no disagreement with what she has done as governor. No disagreement with anything in particular, just "ugh" in a prissy tone. Would it have been nice if she's been elected governor 4 years ago and had a chance to travel, give speeches, have statements on the record about foreign policy? Sure. But somehow her critics can't say "she needs seasoning", they have to attack. As if there's never been another governor running for vp or pres. As if John Edwards' or Obama's experience were better. John Edwards, common man and Sarah Palin, uncouth ruffian?? Fuck that.

99 funky chicken, J David isn't an astroturfer; he really is that stupid.

100 "Huh?"

He (Trevino = "Tacitus") went all apocalyptic BDS/anti-war fairly soon after 2004, I believe.  He also has a love/hate relationship with the moonbatosphere, and has bragged about not voting for McCain.

Another guy severely impressed with his own cleverness and authenticity.  (And therefore tiresome.)

101

someone, could you dig up some posts? I recall anti-Bush posts from Tac/Trev, but there have been anti-Bush comments from a lot of conservatives ("neo" or otherwise), including here.

102 I've always operated on the assumption that a political candidate for any important job is going to be -- at best -- a compromise. And usually a pretty weak-kneed one at that. I've rarely gotten to vote for the person I wanted to vote for (I was too young to vote for Reagan, alas). The problem is that any presidential candidate I could vote for without qualms would have no hope or prayer of winning. In fact, most of the people I'd like to see running for President would never do it because they're too busy accomplishing things and being successful in their own way. When you think about it, it requires a fairly mediocre person to be successful as a candidate because truly successful people make too many enemies along the way. Sarah Palin strikes us as a breath of fresh air because she seems to be the exception that proves the rule ("seems to be" being the operant phrase there).

103 "Noonan probably has one of those cellular-level reactions to Palin that some women instinctively feel for other women. Men will never understand this, I think: we can be killing each other one moment and drinking beer as lifelong pals the next. Women, on the other hand, can carry grudges for their entire lives -- even through the generations -- based on some chemical reaction in the brain that cannot even be expressed in rational terms."

The evidence keeps coming in that I am really a man, because I have never had this reaction to any woman. I have, however, been on the receiving end of this sort of thing, so I do believe it exists. But I don't understand it any more than men do.

104

It's usually due to shoe envy.

Not as farfetched as it sounds.

105 So much of the critisism of Palin just sounds like "She's not someone else!"

They can't articulate their loathing, but maybe that's a good thing.

Read Heather MacDonald's stuff in City Journal and it's clear-eyed, logical, and common-sensical. But then Laura Ingraham tried to get her to explain why she's supporting Obama and she (MacDonald), who previously could explain the most complex subjects in great detail, suddenly turned into a babbling idiot.

So I think, was she like this all along and I just didn't see it, or is there something wrong with my perception? I cannot reconcile the gross disparity and it confuses me.

106 Monty #58 -- I'm with you. Temperament, judgment, values, as reflected in how a candidate has lived her/his life, these things matter. FDR: "second rate intellect, first rate temperament," I believe the saying was (Lippman?) Obama strikes me as another JF Kennedy: looks and sounds great, but all the foreign leaders are grinning at how they are going to out-negotiate and deceive him. Liberals think everyone in the world is reasonable and negotiable -- except fellow Americans who are Republicans: for them, intimidation and denunciation are the only way. Why can they not see that foreign dictators will only be less amenable to negotiation than any Republican American?

107

The readers there will be easier to influence.

And no one there will be allowed to call you a sucker of cock, unlike here, whether you're a moron or an astroturfer.

108 Posted by: David Ross at October 17, 2008 12:22 PM (GwV+j

Oh. OK.

109 The evidence keeps coming in that I am really a man, because I have never had this reaction to any woman. I have, however, been on the receiving end of this sort of thing, so I do believe it exists. But I don't understand it any more than men do.
Posted by: Andrea Harris at October 17, 2008 12:36 PM (+sbbx)


Gotta do the "me too" on this comment. It's one reason I don't do any of the officer's wife club activities or join women's groups of any sort. It's not worth dealing with the hideous harpies.

110 Yeah, I think there's something to the cattiness argument.

Most men look at a guy like McCain, whose toughness and courage far exceeds our own, and admire him for it even if we don't like him personally.

I think for a lot of women, it simply comes down to being too insecure to be gracious about another woman's positive qualities.  The fact that Sarah Palin has a lot of them just makes the vitriol all the more intense.

111 David Blue at Winds of Change makes a good observation:
If conservative critics who wanted Sarah Palin removed from the Republican Party like a fatal cancer were wild fans of, e.g. Governor Tim Pawlenty, and convinced that once Sarah Palin was gotten rid of their man would jump into her spot and put the country to rights, that would make sense. But nothing like that is happening. Sarah Palin's critics seem in many cases (but not in Charles Krauthammer's case) to be warmly attracted to Barack Obama, and quite uninterested in who takes second spot on the Republican ticket, as long as it's not Sarah Palin.

112 David:  er, no, not easily, because he keeps changing sites and scrubbing himself.

But look at the reference to the war at his main site now (JoshuaTrevino.com) and you may remember.  His combination of paleo pessimism and self-satisfied populist rhetoric never sat well with me.

113

Peggy Noonan proved years ago, when she earned tens of thousands of dollars doing PR for Enron, (a task she admitted she was unqualified for,) that she will write ANYTHING for money. Pay no more attention to hack Noonan than you’d pay to hack MoDo.

114

 

I believe <i>Western Conservatism</i> is the proper term to characterize the one component of two making up the current republican/conservative party, with "Country Club" repubs being the other.  Class issue?  Possibly, but I also consider it more of a character issue.  Give me a Sarah or a Joe(tP) over a Peggy or a Christopher any day. 

 

We are Joe the Plumber

 

115

#103 and #109:

I'm convinced that there are, overall, two types of women:

     Those who like men (I mean really like and affectionately respect men for their differences and strengths)

and

    Those who don't like men.  This has nothing to do with sexual orientation (I mean, really, we've all heard some women simply reaming out their men by cell phone and at social gatherings). 

Those of us who do like living and working with men are usually befuddled by the sniping and the whining and the subtle catty comments of the other type of women.

I say, ignore the comments.  It drives 'em nuts when their little claws and barbs go unnoticed. 

The same could now be said of Noonan.  Ignore the catty little attention-monger.

 

 

116
@66 Me, I put the antipathy down to intellectual insecurity. Plus I used a lot more profanity.

S.Weasel, good shit! These snobs are out of touch.

117 "I think for a lot of women, it simply comes down to being too insecure to be gracious about another woman's positive qualities. The fact that Sarah Palin has a lot of them just makes the vitriol all the more intense."

In some cases, yes. And then there are the legions of conservative women, like me, who would kill for Palin. I cry at her speeches, and I want to fucking rip the head off of anyone who goes after her in a hateful way. A lot of PUMAS fell the same way about Hillary, and now I understand why. It's a purely emotional response I've been trying to understand, but obviously female solidarity can be very intense when it happens.

Excuse me, but I have to go send another round of hate-email to David Letterman. He's a fucking dick.

118

Peggy went native when she went to work as a consultant for "West Wing". Soon I'm looking forward to Peggy, Buckley, Krauthammer, Barnes and Parker joining David Gergen at their dinner parties as pundits no one listens to, as token "conservatives" that the chattering classes in the DemSM trot out as "balance".

The backstabbing of these sniffling elites can give us even more reasons to cancel the subscriptions of the papers that run their columns. I can only hope that although their insider connections still provide them a living on the talking head Sunday shows, they plunge into emotional despair when they realize that they are preaching to empty pews.

 

 

119 The simple fact is that Sarah Palin has made better life decisions than them. Who isn't the slightest bit jealous of that happy family?

I'm 35 and never been married. I'm probably going to die in a Manhattan apartment in the company of 2 cats.

I wish I had made decisions more similar to Governor Palins'. I am jealous of her. But that doesn't mean I need to trivialize her accomplishments, or invent charges of anti-intellectualism, or call her a "cancer."

And it damn sure doesn't mean I'm gonna vote for a commie.

120

I don't think Noonan's stance on Palin has anything to do with her being woman who instantly didn't like Palin. I'm a woman, and I've never experienced this. I'm also not inclined to hold grudges (unless you mess with my husband). Also, Baby Buckley seems to have had the same reaction, since he's sired four daughters I'm pretty sure he's a man.

I was not remotely surprised that Christo had an issue with Palin. Noonan, Buckley, and Parker are reacting to Palin's otherness. They instinctively dislike her because they cannot relate to any part of her. On the other hand, they know people like Obama. They may not agree with him, but he puts them at ease because culturally he's like them. I am probably inviting ridicule by invoking Jane Austen, but Noonan and Parker remind me of the Bingley sisters and Buckley Mr. Hurst.

Heather MacDonald has offered thoughtful criticism of Palin. IIRC, she was not catty or snide. I've read enough of MacDonald to believe that she's a first class thinker, not inclined to be a supercilious dillettante. She did sound completely incoherent when explaining her support for Barack Obama. I think we have a case of "I know Barack Obamas, and I am comfortable with them," without a clear examination of the facts.

These people need a good dose of self-knowledge to recognize their inbred prejudices. Instinctively, I love Sarah Palin. I let my four year old daughter stay up to watch her address to the convention. I realize that this may blind me to some things and so I have to take a step back when assessing her and her critics. The pundits need to do the same. It just cognitive dissonance to claim one is conservative and then express support for someone like Obama. It doesn't take much research to realize that.

One more thing about Noonan, she doesn't just have a book coming out, A Patriotic Grace. It's supposed to be a call to civility, and Palin seems to be the perfect vehicle to demonstrate that Noonan is truly sincere. Of course, this is arguing style of substance. Getting people fired up at a rally is good old fashioned American politics. Employing Acorn means you're trying to steal an election. Which displays more incivility?

121 Shorter version:

Fuck you.  Strong letter to follow...

122 He (Trevino = "Tacitus")

Wrong. This isn't the same guy.

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