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| McCain's New Joe the Plumber Ad Goes Where He Has Not Gone Before: Correctly Calling Obama's "Tax Cuts" for Non-Taxpayers WelfareCommentsPosted by: Senator Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller at October 16, 2008 05:44 PM (vFeQi) 2
Is this a tv ad or internet only ad? I contacted the RNC today and told them to go viral with the "Reins" ad ... and NOT on FOX, please.
I'm telling ya. This investigation into Joe is going to backfire big time. Posted by: kimberly at October 16, 2008 05:45 PM (Rpam5) 3
Hey if Joe the Plumber needs a defense fund, I'm in.
I mean, if Obama wins we're all going to have the government crawling up our asses, we might as well make our stand now. Posted by: I am Joe the Plumber! at October 16, 2008 05:45 PM (hlYel) 4
Another example of the Left hypocrisy when it comes to guilt by association: Remember when they tried to smear Arnold Schwarzenegger as a Nazi because his father allegedly had ties to Nazis?
Speaking of Nazis: Remember when they tried to smear George Bush as a secret Nazi because his grandfather, Prescott Bush, was allegedly a secret Nazi? But Bill Ayers is just a wacky protester from the '60's. Posted by: Bart at October 16, 2008 05:46 PM (3unGT) 5
Is Joe the plumber married ??
Posted by: justwonderin.. at October 16, 2008 05:46 PM (QLJXj) 6
The Grey Lady can kiss it high and deep.
Was it Obama's dad or grand dad that wanted 100% taxation and redistribution? Everyone needs to know how much of a true commie the big-eared one is. Posted by: East Bay Patriot at October 16, 2008 05:46 PM (h/5U0) Posted by: rinseandspit at October 16, 2008 05:47 PM (ao5cQ) 8
Is there a SaveJoethePlumber website yet?
Posted by: blogRot at October 16, 2008 05:47 PM (EKMxC) 9
So far I've heard that he's a tax cheat, not actually a plumber, that he's a wife beater and that he's a McCain plant.
I'm disappointed, what, no allegation that he's actually the father of Trig? Come on nutroots, I want the weapons grade nuts, I haven't got all day. Posted by: alexthechick at October 16, 2008 05:48 PM (e1Gtg) 10
McCain hasn't even met Wurzelbacher, much less launched his political career in his living room with his possibly terrorist/assistant plumber wife. And Obama has met Wurzelbacher! He should answer for Wurzelbacher's tax liens, and the Keating Five.
Posted by: The Raving Atheist at October 16, 2008 05:48 PM (sYsFs) 11
If it wasn't the crap poor Joe the plumber is getting this would be great. The morons in charge of Obama's campaign are failing again.
Why would you want to highlight a point that has caused your polls to fall. Don't see that reported yet in the media. Just wait until you see the polls tomorrow. Rumor has it the Gallup poll might actually be good enough to put ace is an optimistic mood. Posted by: David at October 16, 2008 05:48 PM (NgoAe) 12
A defense fund? The guy asked Obama one fucking question! And now he's getting raked over the coals ... for what? For being so uppity as to question The One? Jesus ... and people ask me why I hate the Left! Posted by: Brown Line at October 16, 2008 05:51 PM (VrNoa) 13
Joe the Plumber is racist. Plumber is a “code” word. Posted by: Vic at October 16, 2008 05:51 PM (b1ysY) 14
The Kos kids are touting the fact he is behind on his taxes as some sort of gotcha. In my mind that makes Obama look even worse...can't pay your taxes, I'm going to tax you more.
Posted by: robert at October 16, 2008 05:52 PM (gue+Q) 15
Dude, I didn't recognize what a big fuckin' deal this was going to be, but kudos to McCain's campaign for doing so, and shit hammering it, starting last night. They're smashing him because they know that Joe the Plumber could VERY POSSIBLY BE Luke's shot down the vent on the Death Star. Improbable. Impossible. But it happened, and utterly fatal. What they dont' realize is nailing Luke after the shot's been fired might be satisfying, but it ain't gonna save the Death Star. Posted by: Andy the Squirrel at October 16, 2008 05:52 PM (xDozT) 16
You'll never guess what tunnel of Republican mystery Andi's going milkin' deep in today.
Posted by: The R.N.G. at October 16, 2008 05:52 PM (i/J/+) 17
Americans for Limited Government has a cartoon which they are distributing for free: http://tinyurl.com/4hr3ld
Posted by: Shirley at October 16, 2008 05:52 PM (RtQiY) Posted by: Editor at October 16, 2008 05:52 PM (GTpOW) 19
Rumor has it that Joe The Plumber has torched a few joints at work.
Posted by: alycan at October 16, 2008 05:52 PM (Il2Ep) 20
>>>Rumor has it the Gallup poll might actually be good enough to put ace is an optimistic mood.
says who, where are you getting this, can you clue me in, etc.? Posted by: ace at October 16, 2008 05:54 PM (1WR4H) 21
Joe Wurzelbacher is not a licensed plumber, but he is a man who called O'Bambi out and struck a cord with America. Joe is everyone's plumber and more. Joe could well be the catalyst that puts John McCain over the top. The only thing left is a personal endorsement from Joe on behalf of McCain. Posted by: Fish at October 16, 2008 05:54 PM (6Rihj) 22
Don't shoot the questioner!
Posted by: robert at October 16, 2008 05:54 PM (gue+Q) 23
If people thought they relate to Sarah Palin, think twice because they relate even easier with Joe the Plumber. Most of us aren't running for office; Joe isn't either. We just want to know the true skinny on all of the issues, just like Joe, so that we don't get snookered or bamboozled like a fool.
Obama's counting on the least productive citizens (and illegal aliens and criminals) to get him elected by bribing them with the promise of a tax paid gift paid by all of us working stiff taxpayers. The dumbest thing about it is that even if those least productive citizens think they're gonna get free money from the rest of us (though they won't get what he's promising--he can't even shell out a dollar a month for his impoverished brother--Obama keeps it all for himself and his power players) their property values are going to fall. So for a $1,000. bribe to vote for Obama, their home values (and ours as well) will end up cut in half. That's the most expensive tax credit EVER. Posted by: maverick muse at October 16, 2008 05:55 PM (F1b/5) 24
Someone needs to make a table comparing Joe vs Obama by worthiness of character attack...
Posted by: yarrrr at October 16, 2008 05:55 PM (n1rFJ) 25
>>>Dude, I didn't recognize what a big fuckin' deal this was going to
be, but kudos to McCain's campaign for doing so, and shit hammering it,
starting last night.
No one did. Black Swan. But McCain -- give the sonofabitch credit -- was the guy at meetings who said, "I think I'm going to keep bringing everything back to Joe the Plumber." A+ for that. D- for fannie/subprime. Posted by: ace at October 16, 2008 05:55 PM (1WR4H) 26
Play the exciting game of Barry Gets a CLUE (tm):
My guess is Joe the Plumber, in the ropeline, with a pipe wrench. Posted by: mrobvious at October 16, 2008 05:56 PM (KMcEY) 27
Obama has an obligation to denounce the lefty goon squad rape of Joe the Plumber.
Obama is such a 1/2 a man. Posted by: topsecretk9 at October 16, 2008 05:56 PM (jMr/l) 28
Finally! I think it is entirely appropriate to link Obama's "tax plan" with welfare . . it's a correct interpretation -- and unprecedented on our history. They should also link his Social Security plan: For the first time in history the link between what you pay into the system and what you get out will be severed. Millions of Americans will now pay in more than they ever could receive out -- and Obama will turn Social Security into a direct welfare payment scheme as well. Seems like the plan to is to get 51% of the country dependent on government checks -- and create a democratic majority for the next 50 years Posted by: pfth at October 16, 2008 05:56 PM (ERoPP) Posted by: Gabriel Sutherland at October 16, 2008 05:56 PM (AHrTm) 30
Ace- re Gallup- Get ye to Drudge, dude, big red shit going on over there on Gallup Likelies Traditional
Posted by: Andy the Squirrel at October 16, 2008 05:56 PM (xDozT) 31
I think the kinda-sorta country-sounding background music is an interesting choice. Middle America, come on down!
Posted by: AngelEm at October 16, 2008 05:56 PM (EyKhI) 32
Oh the lovely irony that the Dems are going down hard due to a working class blue collar worker. The blinders are now off and the emperor has no clothes.
Oh, how I want to drink myself into a happy stooper on election day, but all in moderation because I am really going to savor this victory and I want to remember each and every tear from the crazy left. Posted by: David at October 16, 2008 05:56 PM (NgoAe) 33
14,
Yeah, do those turds (MSM included) think painting some plumber as the aggressor, with government as a helpless victim, is going to win hearts and minds? Posted by: bunny boy at October 16, 2008 05:57 PM (YsSn7) 34
"Plumber"? Sure, just like G. Gordon Liddy and the other Rethuglican "plumbers" at Watergate! Figures....
Posted by: Fresh Air at October 16, 2008 05:58 PM (v0/ML) 35
Hey everyone, the Messiah has no clothes!
Posted by: Joe the Plumber at October 16, 2008 05:58 PM (KMcEY) 36
I’ll bet Joe has a “monkey wrench”. Posted by: Vic at October 16, 2008 05:58 PM (b1ysY) 37
The Kos kids are touting the fact he is behind on his taxes as some sort of gotcha. In my mind that makes Obama look even worse...can't pay your taxes, I'm going to tax you more.
But have no fricken problem that dickhead Charles Rangel is not only behind but actively subverted his taxes for years. Posted by: topsecretk9 at October 16, 2008 05:59 PM (jMr/l) 38
The libs who post at Politico are super geniuses cuz they can ferret out these FUCKING PSY OPS operatives from a fucking MILE away. "Well, the truth has finally come out. Joe the Plumber IS a Republican operative. Not surprising in McShame's campaign" Posted by: Senator Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller at October 16, 2008 05:59 PM (vFeQi) 39
Ace--
It would be helpful if McCain could put up a statistic that only about 52 percent of the American people (or whatever it is, but that's close) actually pay taxes. That's what he's trying to say, really. As Mark Steyn put it a few years back in one of his columns, "It may sound cruel, but in order to pay less tax you have to pay some tax." Posted by: Fresh Air at October 16, 2008 05:59 PM (v0/ML) 40
I'm Teleprompter Jesus and I approve "Joe the Plumber's" Anal Probing.
My running mate, "Joe the Dumber," also supports "Joe the Plumber's" Anal Probing. My campaign team, The New York Times, not only supports but also manages "Joe the Plumber's" Anal Probing. Posted by: Teleprompter Jesus at October 16, 2008 06:00 PM (0P9Uy) 41
When people go off script, like Obama did in that exchange, they end up saying what they really think, not what their handlers tell them to say.
Posted by: cranky-d at October 16, 2008 06:00 PM (L4z/p) 42
"Well, the truth has finally come out. Joe the Plumber IS a Republican operative. Not surprising in McShame's campaign"
They don't realize that it does not matter where Joe came from? The damning words are straight from Obama's mouth. The questioner only gave him the opening to spew forth his b.s. Posted by: AngelEm at October 16, 2008 06:02 PM (EyKhI) 43
Barry is so smart. "Barack Obama today in Londenderry, NH, on McCain's use of Joe the Plumber in last night's debate, Carrie Budoff Brown reports. "He is trying to suggest that a plumber is the guy he’s fighting for. How many plumbers do you know making a quarter of a million dollars a year?" he asked. In fact, the plumber told Katie Couric last night that he's actually in a bracket that would get a tax cut, not a tax hike, under Obama's plan; but he hopes to move up." Posted by: Senator Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller at October 16, 2008 06:02 PM (vFeQi) 44
Even if Joe is an operative and McCain is not that smart so he obviously isn't, the damage is done. Obama is attacking a female mom and a working class plumber. Joe reinforces Palin and makes her look better and the attacks on her now seem more mean, when Palin talks that reinforces the attacks on the plumber and makes the left look mean. This is going to help downticket as well. 60 in the Senate for the Dems is officially history.
Posted by: David at October 16, 2008 06:02 PM (NgoAe) 45
Joe Wurzelbacher poisoned Mama Cass
Posted by: toby928 at October 16, 2008 06:02 PM (evdj2) 46
"They're smashing him because they know that Joe the Plumber could VERY
POSSIBLY BE Luke's shot down the vent on the Death Star. Improbable.
Impossible. But it happened, and utterly fatal." Andy, that is GOLD.
Posted by: Jayne Cobb at October 16, 2008 06:03 PM (+MtXg) 47
Hillary Clinton, you magnificent bastard?
Could be. Who else could pull off installing a plant at an Obama rally at the right place and at the right time AND have Joe's question to Obama recorded? Posted by: Bart at October 16, 2008 06:06 PM (3unGT) 48
Forgive me, Joe, but I hope every one of the MSM outlets starts hammering away at the guy.
For selfish reasons, of course. The cocksuckers don't realize attacking a guy for questioning The One will blow up in their faces like something out of Wile E. Coyote's ACME catalog. Keep tap-dancing in the minefield. I feel for you Joe. You dared speak out publicly against Obama and now you must be destroyed. This is what we all have to look forward to over the next 4 years if Obama wins. Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at October 16, 2008 06:07 PM (Ulsfn) 49
I trust Mr. Clean more than fake Jesus, even if he is racist. Posted by: The Oort Cloud at October 16, 2008 06:08 PM (nOQXA) Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at October 16, 2008 06:09 PM (Ulsfn) 51
Well at least Joe's business will take off after McCain wins. Republicans and PUMAs will be lining up around the block to use his services. He's a patriot and smart businessman.
Posted by: David at October 16, 2008 06:09 PM (NgoAe) 52
"He is trying to suggest that a plumber is the guy he’s fighting for. How many plumbers do you know making a quarter of a million dollars a year?" he asked.
In fact, the plumber told Katie Couric last night that he's actually in a bracket that would get a tax cut, not a tax hike, under Obama's plan; but he hopes to move up." No he didn't? Holysmokes he's an idiot. Posted by: topsecretk9 at October 16, 2008 06:10 PM (jMr/l) 53
Watch what Big O does, not what he says. Two things: First, if Obama had this wrapped up, he'd ignore Joe and coast into the WH (he doesn't and he won't). He doesn't have this wrapped up yet, he and his people know it. Joe the plumber represents what Obama's not used to - a challenge to his ideals. So - the fact that O is going after Joe like he is as are his minions suggests that this thing is a heck of a lot tighter than they'd like and that they don't have this in the bag yet. Posted by: Volfan at October 16, 2008 06:12 PM (11hUh) 54
Joe the Plumber is starting to get the Sarah Palin feel towards it, Like they are SCARED SHITLESS of him & his effect
Posted by: PaRep at October 16, 2008 06:12 PM (dWdDN) 55
Andy the Squirrel, David,
I already linked that poll. David is saying TOMORROW's poll will be reason for optimism. Posted by: ace at October 16, 2008 06:12 PM (1WR4H) 56
what a bitter cunt bitch stephanne cutter is....go get laid you lying piece of shit. where the fuck are they getting $250k it's $200k indiviaul $250k for family Currently, S corporations face a top tax rate of 35 percent, while sole proprietors and general partners face a tax rate of 37.9 percent. IRS Statistics of Income Bulletin that seems a lot more then the 2% barry keeps talks about... i don't own my own business but i know my boss would qualify for the 50% rate....which would put us out of business since we run on a 10-11% margin. Posted by: e.koenig at October 16, 2008 06:12 PM (2J+Vs) 57
If elected, NO ONE will be allowed to question or criticize THE CHOSEN ONE. Besides, if there are any mistakes made, it won't be his fault. 'Cause if you say it is, it means you're RACIST! And it was all George Bush's fault anyway.
Posted by: GarandFan at October 16, 2008 06:12 PM (eJ32B) 58
WOW - anyone talking about how if you dare to talk to THAT ONE and then call him a socialist on MSM - - they will send the JACKBOOTS after you?
LISTEN UP AMERICA ..... This is what happens when you don't genuflect and swallow hard when given the NEW GOSPEL according to ObaMAO
Think this if fun - - if ObaMAO and his ObaMUNISTS somehow slip intot he WH -HERE"S MY PREDICTION EXPECT MROE OF THE SAME 1st Sweeping reform FAIRNESS DOCTRINE Posted by: finallyfedup at October 16, 2008 06:12 PM (9Wfuy) 59
I read some of the comments on that NYT blog, until I puked on my keyboard. Someone named Harriett brought up the Sammy Davis Jr. comment, thinking it was racist, because, you know, Sammy was a skinny black man. Maybe Joe should've compared Barack's tap dancing to Shrley Temple. No, that would be racist to compare a skinny black man to a little white girl. Jeez.
Posted by: DougV at October 16, 2008 06:12 PM (EXsuU) 60
Hope for Ace from the father:
Why This Election Will Be Close: Hushed Confessions http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/16/frj_1016/ I've been following your live-blogs, it sure is fun! I live in the NCal Bay Area (I refuse to call it the San Francisco Bay Area) and I have seen 4 bumper stickers and 2 yard signs for O'Biden. This is in stark contrast to 4 years ago when Kedwards signs and stickers were everywhere. Something is definitely up... One of the blogs (can't remember who) had a comment about people at a body shop furious about ACORN (..."and this is in the Bay Area"...). Do not lose hope, Ace! Posted by: nobody_special at October 16, 2008 06:13 PM (5xO0C) 61
Plumberists!!! Posted by: Barry at October 16, 2008 06:14 PM (JQwWt) 62
"Republicans and PUMAs will be lining up around the block to use his services."
Does that sound obscene to everybody, or is it just me? Use his services, indeed. Heh. Posted by: AngelEm at October 16, 2008 06:14 PM (EyKhI) Posted by: Stinky Esposito at October 16, 2008 06:14 PM (MMC8r) 64
26 Play the exciting game of Barry Gets a CLUE (tm):
My guess is Joe the Plumber, in the ropeline, with a pipe wrench. Posted by: mrobvious at October 16, 2008 05:56 PM (KMcEY) LMFAO. That needs to be placed on the AoSHQ front page. (IMHO) Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at October 16, 2008 06:14 PM (wgLRl) 65
Obama campaign to Joe: "You asshole, you tricked our Messiah! For this you shall die!"
Posted by: Jim62sch at October 16, 2008 06:16 PM (ubHgw) 66
Our local Obama news propaganda organ, the Toledo Blade, has already given Plumber Joe the left-wing colonoscopy. They report that he has no license as a plumber. And of course, the cocksucker plumbers union grupenfuhrer is outraged, outraged I tell ya', that Joe would dare to endanger citizens because he doesn't have an apprenticeship through them. I'm sure that you'll be shocked to find out that the plumbers union was the first to endorse The Messiah. BTW, Joe is reportedly single and his young son lives with him. And for anyone who asks, The One dropped in on Joe, not the other way around.
Posted by: TimMI at October 16, 2008 06:17 PM (7DS5N) 67
If I was a dude, I would dip my balls in that ad.
Posted by: KCLady at October 16, 2008 06:19 PM (4eYzF) Posted by: Paulitics at October 16, 2008 06:19 PM (iYguc) 69
OT, but did anyone else notice this in the AP report about the FBI investigating ACORN
"A second senior law enforcement official says the FBI was looking at results of recent raids on ACORN offices in several states for any evidence of a coordinated national scam." I am only aware of the Las Vagas raid. There have been more? Did the media miss it or just not report them or were they kept secret including ACORN keeping mum? Posted by: topsecretk9 at October 16, 2008 06:19 PM (jMr/l) 70
Where can I buy stock in Joe's Plumbing? Posted by: Lemmiwinks at October 16, 2008 06:19 PM (E6GUg) 71
How on earth does the O campaign think they are helping themselves attacking Joe? It seems like they are purposefully trying to find every way possible to alienate middle America. It's simply insane.
Posted by: Fred R. at October 16, 2008 06:19 PM (SmaMG) 72
Can we also look into Obama's claim that Annenberg was a close friend of Ronald Reagan and explain how it shows that Ayers is not a radical Leftist?
Posted by: Bart at October 16, 2008 06:20 PM (3unGT) 73
Joe is looking more and more like a game changer. Obama is in a no win situation with him. if he attacks Joe, he loses the middle class. But the more he has to defend himself against charges of socialism, the more people will believe there is something to the accusation.
Already I have heard people joking about what life in a America with redistributed wealth would be like. even if people don't really believe Obama isa socialist, his economic policies are now open to being laugh lines. He might even have a tough time being taken seriously in the half hour infomercial he is planning. Posted by: Jamie at October 16, 2008 06:21 PM (I8BSp) 74
Well played, Paulitics. Well played.
Posted by: Nom de Blog at October 16, 2008 06:22 PM (nOQ1R) 75
It seems like they are purposefully trying to find every way possible to alienate middle America. It's simply insane.
Posted by: Fred R. at October 16, 2008 06:19 PM (SmaMG)
Saul Alinsky is rolling over in his grave right now. Barry is supposed to play nice with the middle class until AFTER the election. Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at October 16, 2008 06:22 PM (wgLRl) 76
oops
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at October 16, 2008 06:23 PM (wgLRl) 77
</i> Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at October 16, 2008 06:23 PM (wgLRl) 78
Who broke the blog?
Posted by: Nom de Blog at October 16, 2008 06:23 PM (nOQ1R) 79
Ah crap, I hope I didn't poop in the HTML bed.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at October 16, 2008 06:24 PM (wgLRl) 80
hahaaha. Like someone on here stated earlier. It is not Joe the man. It is Joe the idea. The idea that this guy Joe has worked for a plumbing company 10-12 hours a day for years. Saving money so now he is at the point he can buy a business. He asks Obama about his taxes and Obama spews Karl Marx's talking points. I love it. The talking point should be for us, that what if you ask a question they are going to investigate and try and humiliate you? They look like nazi's and it is perfect timing. Someone needs to call the McCain camp and ask Joe the Plumber to join Todd Palin on the trail for a Working middle class americans for McCain rally. He was not a plant. They are salty because obama said the dumbest thing he could and revealed himself for america to see. Joe is going to single handedly swing this election. The guy is on every other show. He has turned into an instant icon on the right and an instant villain to the left. Successful he is. Posted by: ppp at October 16, 2008 06:24 PM (zzms8) 81
Not me. Well, it could have been me. Sometimes I hit refresh so fast things explode.
Posted by: Paulitics at October 16, 2008 06:24 PM (iYguc) 82
I thought the best part of the exchange with Joe the Plumber was Barry's twisted logic that Joe would have been able to save more money up until he hit $250,000.00 and would be able to buy the business sooner -- before his tax plan is in place.
Retroactive tax cuts -- it's magic. Posted by: mesablue at October 16, 2008 06:25 PM (5yNaE) 83
Note that the story isn't really Joe -- it's Barack Obama's answer about spreading the wealth. Note however the NYT chooses to focus on denigrating and attacking the man who elicited the remark, rather than the remark itself. What is the object here? If you can prove that Joe Wurzelbacher, say, is consistently late paying his Columbia Record House subscription, that means Obama didn't say what he said? Is that how it works? Ace, The reason that Joe must be destroyed comes down to the Left's understanding of symbolism. If Barack Obama told the CEO of Exxon that hey I'm going to spread the wealth around, well it might make a small splash but basically it's just acknowledging what people instictively already know about Obama namely that he is going to soak the rich. Obama doesn't really deny that what with all the $250k+ tax commercials running. This however is different. This is Obama telling a guy most people can relate to, a plumber, a regular guy certainly not a rich guy, that I'm going to redistribute your wealth and people are taking notice. The symbolism of BO telling almost literally "joe six-pack" that he is going to "spread the wealth" is jarring and undercuts BO and the Democrats claims to representing the common man while simultaneously playing into the worst stereotype of Dem's and Obama as taxraisers and socialists. Therefore Joe must be destroyed in any way possible. Worst case scenario they'll paint him as a Republican operative unless they can dig up some better dirt on him. Does it change the fact that Obama said what he said? Of course not but it would change the symbolism and that is what they are afraid of. Not what Obama said but who he said it to and who that person represents in the minds of many voters (namely themselves). In other words the Dems are scared that when Obama told Joe the plumber that he was going to "spread the wealth" around he was also telling Dave the electrician and Steve the roofer and George the Landscaper and Tom the factory worker and Susie the small business woman etc that he was going to take their money. I truly believe that is the reason they will go after Joe with everything they've got. OBTW it's also why the went after Palin so hard. Not because they hate her so much but they hate the symbolism of a blue collar, headstrong, independent, pulled themselves up by the bootstraps story. It cuts into the world of helplessness and despair that the Dems construct in order to sell themselves as the savior. So they have to ruin the story and undercut it's powerful symbolism. Also, of course, there is the inchoate rage of the Left that always wants to destroy its opponents especially the successful ones.
Posted by: Big E at October 16, 2008 06:26 PM (RWzXM) 84
Palin needs to hammer this. The MSM cannot ignore what she says. Something like: The Left went head-on at me, my family, my friends, ... when John McCain chose me as his running mate. Now they're giving Joe the Plumber the same treatment. Just for asking a question. Now I'm a big girl, and I've fought toe-to-toe with corrupt politicians and hostile opponents before. Do I believe I've received fair treatment during this campaign? Of course I haven't. But this is the path I chose to follow, and I can take the good with the bad. But a man like Joe, whose only "sin" was asking a straight question, shouldn't be subjected to this kind of abuse from the NYT or the Daily Kos or anyone else). And why are they after Joe? Because Barack Obama is embarrassed by his own answer to Joe's question. Posted by: denise at October 16, 2008 06:27 PM (jTfJF) 85
How on earth does the O campaign think they are helping themselves attacking Joe? It seems like they are purposefully trying to find every way possible to alienate middle America. It's simply insane. They can't help themselves. They are trying to send a message to you and me to shut our mouths, while shooting themselves in the foot at the same time. The Obamatards don't even realize that the question was totally fair. It was the answer that was fucked up. Posted by: Lemmiwinks at October 16, 2008 06:28 PM (E6GUg) 86
"How on earth does the O campaign think they are helping themselves
attacking Joe? It seems like they are purposefully trying to find every
way possible to alienate middle America. It's simply insane."
The reasoning was this. Obama's internal polls tanked. The press was talking up this guy something had to be done. Problem was that Obama is on tape with his quote and they didn't believe that they could spin his words since McCain did a good job in the debate putting out the spreading the wealth line over and over. There is nothing Obama could do to change the talking point. After the top brass talked they decided to move to attacking the messenger to try and get people talking about something else. They decided to go the Clinton route with the women scandels (sorry PUMAs) The memo went out and the attacks began. It was really that simple. Now I don't need to go into the risks of this line of attack. Everyone here has already talked about it. The number being bantered about is a 2-4 point poll drop for Obama with "numbers only getting worse if this isn't stopped now." Hence the panic. BTW Rasssmusean now has things even in Ohio. Rumors are that things are looking up there, even before the debate began. ACORN is not selling well in that state. Add in the Joe effect and we should get the old ace back that we are seeing today on a more permanent basis. Posted by: David at October 16, 2008 06:30 PM (NgoAe) 87
Whole Lee Fuck, Ace - FIX THE GODDAMNED TAGS Posted by: blogRot at October 16, 2008 06:30 PM (EKMxC) 88
Man - I just listened to Joe talked to the fuckheads in the media about Iraq.
Awesome. Ace update: Shock: Joe Wurzelbacher not related to Charles Keating, libtards stamp feet. Posted by: topsecretk9 at October 16, 2008 06:31 PM (jMr/l) 89
I was upset after the debate that McCain didn't say this to Obama's face.
But I'm no sob-sister/Eeyore/"Concerned Christian Conservative." McCain is doing the right thing today, which is what matters most. Keep up the good work, Senator! Posted by: Daryl Herbert at October 16, 2008 06:32 PM (YvLui) 90
The msm are foolish to attack Joe, as the guy is a symbol of the average, well, Joe in America. I know it is sad that people are that simplistic, but can you explain how Obama has gotten as far as he has to date?
Between now and voting day, McCain should play the audio and video of his utopian response to Joe in ads over and over again--with captions for the hearing or politically impaired . . . . Posted by: DCox at October 16, 2008 06:32 PM (2pT9a) 91
Close the italics tab
I love how the cash strapped media can devote massive resources to investigate a plumber, but nothing for a Senator from Chicago Posted by: Iblis at October 16, 2008 06:33 PM (9221z) 92
This investigation into Joe is going to backfire big time.
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They will keep going deeper and deeper into the cesspool. And why not, they hate America because it is imperfect while they themselves are perfection itself (in their own trollish eyes). If the nation elects Obama and takes no action against the authors of these actions it shall reap its own rewards.
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