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Obama: "Sexuality is Sacred"

I'll bet.

Posted by: Ace at 04:57 AM



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1 Maybe it's because I'm tolerant of most things sexual, consensual, non-violent, and loving, but I didn't really have a problem with that. It could easily have been meant in a Christian context as well. It also sounds like something my female Mormon friends might say.

I prefer to talk about sex that is smoking hot, hoo-yah! "Now girls... switch!"

But that's just me.

(Yes, kidding.)

Posted by: Christoph at October 16, 2008 05:09 AM (hawOV)

2 I prefer my sexuality to be more on the profane side. But, ixnay on the exsay before we lose the PUMA's.

(also kidding)

Posted by: mrobvious at October 16, 2008 05:18 AM (KMcEY)

3 To me, the phrase immediately evokes the Catholic concept of sexuality.

Which, unfortunately for Obama, leads to precisely the opposite conclusions that he comes to, in every last respect.

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at October 16, 2008 05:21 AM (3FVXC)

4

Now I know this isn't really in the spirit of Obama mockery and all, but for anyone who's interested Pope John Paul II actually published an incredible study of this subject called Theology of the Body.  I'd hate to see this matter surrendered to wiccans and the like making it a target for (justifiable) mockery.  Human sexuality is a matter of great depth and importance and yes, it is in fact sacred.  Hopefully JPII's writing will be more widely spread and embraced throughout Christendom. 

It's all kinds of fucked up that the phrase (sexuality is sacred) is being introduced to mainstream America by the same jackass who thinks you can be "punished with a child."

Posted by: phil at October 16, 2008 05:22 AM (fDO1N)

5 "It's all kinds of fucked up that the phrase (sexuality is sacred) is being introduced to mainstream America by the same jackass who thinks you can be 'punished with a child.' "

I guess to Obama sexuality is more sacred than unborn or extremely recently born and unwanted children.

Posted by: Christoph at October 16, 2008 05:25 AM (hawOV)

6 Way to get your priorities straight, Barry O.  Sexuality is sacred, but the lives of babies born of failed abortions?  Not so much.

And screw him for giving me a creepy image of him and Michelle learning about the sacredness of sexuality from their pastor Jeremiah Wright.  Why do I always have to visualize?  Why?

Posted by: Jenn Q. Public at October 16, 2008 05:27 AM (8OFcf)

7 What happened to that Kos post?

Posted by: toetotoetotoe at October 16, 2008 05:31 AM (X8Omj)

8 i'll put it up tomorrow, it's too late for it.

Posted by: ace at October 16, 2008 05:37 AM (1WR4H)

9

What happened to my comment in the KOS post?

 

Posted by: Jimmy at October 16, 2008 05:37 AM (H7Rlw)

10 Should be there tomorrow, Jimmy. Not sure why Ace often puts up and pulls down posts, but anyway.

Ace, out of curiosity do you publish your work directly in MT or do you use a publishing tool like ScribeFire for Firefox?

I was surprised just how reliable that is with WordPress and how much faster. I was totally happy with WordPress... and way happier using ScribeFire. Can publish posts so fast now, save drafts, and all the rest.

I think it works with MT too.

Posted by: Christoph at October 16, 2008 05:39 AM (hawOV)

11

What? But I'm up now!  Can't you empathize with my insomnia?

Then again, unless you have a real job it's entirely possible you don't have insomnia but a fucked up sleep schedule....After all, I imagine broad daylight is not prime time for Hobo poaching.

Posted by: toetotoetotoe at October 16, 2008 05:40 AM (X8Omj)

12

Every sperm is sacred.

Posted by: Sen. Rev. Dr. E Buzz at October 16, 2008 06:44 AM (sf4Oe)

13 "Sexuality is Sacred"
Not if you're doing it right.

Posted by: Stinky Esposito at October 16, 2008 07:02 AM (MMC8r)

14 Is it okay that the object of my worship has AA batteries?

Posted by: huerfano at October 16, 2008 07:23 AM (knHvu)

15 Is it okay that the object of my worship has AA batteries?

Posted by: huerfano at October 16, 2008 07:23 AM (knHvu

It depends if you're a guy or a chick.

?

Posted by: Christoph at October 16, 2008 07:28 AM (hawOV)

16

"Is sex dirty? Only if it's done right."

Woody Allen

Posted by: Steve L. at October 16, 2008 07:34 AM (o0YD+)

17 Obama: "Sexuality is Sacred"
means

Obama "HOMOSexuality is Sacred which justifies homosexual marriage being legal in all 57* states.

*The 50 current states plus the new 7 Obama will add: Puerto Rico, Washington DC, American Samoa, the Virgin Islands, Guam, Midway, and the Northern Mariana Islands

Posted by: liontooth at October 16, 2008 07:48 AM (n3pxb)

18 Just another reason to despise him a little bit more...

Posted by: Sal at October 16, 2008 08:11 AM (ojd/R)

19 Homosexuals have rights too. As long as they're consenting people of the age of majority for sex, leave them be.

I'm not gay (really: I pretty much worship vaginas), and there is nothing immoral about being gay. It is indeed usually a natural condition (hormones balance in the mother's uterus and in some cases, genetic, including chromosomes), and in those cases especially for any group to think they're immoral is just nuts.

In some cases it's a personal choice and as a defender of freedom, I respect it.... while strenuously objecting where myself is concerned.


Posted by: Christoph at October 16, 2008 08:13 AM (hawOV)

20 "sexuality is sacred"

IIRC, one of the more liberal Islamic poets [al-Hajj, maybe - "the Wool-Carder" - murdered for apostasy] said that the closest a man can get to Allah and paradise in this world was in the arms of a woman.

Its a nice thought, and proves nothing about Baracky, of course. Its just what this reminded me of. 

Posted by: Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight at October 16, 2008 08:22 AM (gIga4)

21 If not al-Hajj, it was al-Arabi

Posted by: Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight at October 16, 2008 08:22 AM (gIga4)

22 "the closest a man can get to Allah and paradise in this world was in the arms of a woman."

Michael Moore would disagree.

"Dairy Queen."

Posted by: Christoph at October 16, 2008 08:24 AM (hawOV)

23

JOE THE PLUMBER IS PISSED!

WWJD?

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 16, 2008 08:44 AM (CrSOk)

24 So are you trying to say Obama has a Venus of Willendorf figure up his ass?



'Cause I think he does.

Posted by: Dang at October 16, 2008 08:55 AM (XFyLb)

25

this was another place where McCain did great in the debate. He hit obama for lying on the born alive bill and said obama would make an excuse about the Illinois senate. Which is exactly what he did.

I am not sure if i watched the same debate as some.

ACE: FUCK POLITICO. and the rest of the libtard leaning propagandists.

we have to fight fire with fire. McCain did absolutly fine last night and he baited obama into lying over and over. McCain nailed him for judges.

All night McCain was throwing blows and landing.
The MSM have set the bar so high that poeple had unreal expectations. There was a gamechanger last night.

McCain set the narrative for Senator Government. "spread the wealth"

A debate is to open the argument for the rest of the election. It is. Taxes and spending. Obama is lefist with bad friends.

We have to rally the troops. I would do just like MSNBC does ACE.

Protect,defend, and interfere. Never let McCain look bad in a post. THe well has been poisoned by so called "pure" conservatives that would rather become a communist nation than vote for a guy with an extremely consistent conservative record. You guys need to stop thinking victory is so far away.

I can taste it. It is right in front of our faces. Turn off the MSM and stop buying into their crap. Unsourced story's saying this and that are meant to sow the seeds of dissension.

This is war and we must take no prisoners and spare no liberal. There will be casualties but the stakes are high and retreat and defeat is simply not an option. Now lets go kick some ass.

Posted by: ppp at October 16, 2008 09:11 AM (zzms8)

26

phil,

Theology of the Body totally rocks! I wish all Catholics could read it.

 

About Cuffy's post. What does "be sure and lick the boot" mean?

Do I want to know?

 

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at October 16, 2008 09:11 AM (jcH8M)

27

I'm one of those Christians who can buy in to that theory. So I don't read any funkadelik new age bullshit into his statement. I read, pandering like a stone cold muthafuck to those Americans, both black and white, who think teh sexy has gotten way the fuck out of hand.

IT.IS.A.STRAIGHT.RUNNIN'.PANDER.

No different than if he told the morons that he was extending hobo season and expanding the limits. The difference being that I ain't fallin' for his bullshit like you fuckers would.

Posted by: pendejo grande at October 16, 2008 09:12 AM (5XptV)

28 This is what you get for supporting Bush for 8 years.

Posted by: Mayor Ticklepants at October 16, 2008 09:13 AM (s6Y6s)

29 Yeah, I've heard that concept both from the evangelicals I grew up with and the wiccan chicks I knew.  Hell, the TiVo just hoovered up a show on Eastern mystical sexual practices (good, TiVo, nice TiVo) so that's not new terminology.

However.  I have also heard it being used as a trump card in any and all discussions about public policy matters which touch on sexuality, such as abortion and gay marriage.  So, when I hear a politician use that phrase, I presume that the intent is some type of "sexuality is sacred so how dare the state interfere in such wonderful mystical personal areas".   If sexuality is sacred then it's a religious practice and you believe in freedom of religion, don't you?  It's yet another attempt to remove legitimate disagreements off the table.

Posted by: alexthechick at October 16, 2008 09:14 AM (SHHaV)

30

Larry Sinclair has a new youtube up.

imagine if Obama became president, and something like that story came out to be true what it would do to this country.  It would likely popularize Gay Sex on a wider scale, the way Clinton redefining what Sex is did all over the country to point most people do not think Oral Sex is sex now.

 

Posted by: jp at October 16, 2008 09:15 AM (DFDtC)

31 It depends if you're a guy or a chick.

Not necessarily. 

Posted by: alexthechick at October 16, 2008 09:15 AM (SHHaV)

32

You know, my big beef with the Republican Party is that many people use the ABORTION ISSUE way too much.

It should NOT be the cornerstone of the Republican Party Platform.  (ok it has been used as a way to entice the HUGE BLOCK of Christian voters understood -- but it shouldn't be front and center as an issue in THIS ELECTION. 

I agree with Ace on this point: the economy is the main issue in this election and republicans (McCain) need to make very clear that Democrats were the driving force behind the Mortgage Crisis. Right now, Main Street thinks that Republicans must have done something wrong, so they want to "clean house" and sweep out the Republican Deadwood.  Ok, so who do they want to put in instead? Socialists? 

They don't know the issues, and the media isn't going to tell them. Its' up to us to "think outside the box" and communicate any way we can...

So why spend too much time... at THIS POINT... talking too much about non-essential things. Early in the campaign, maybe, but not now.  If the your ship is slowly sinking and will soon be completely underwater in 24 hours, why waste time washing dishes?  Why not try to devise a life raft to save yourselves?

Also, this is NOT the time to worry about personal matters... let's don't drive off the PUMAs.  Many of us won't survive under socialism and that is exactly what we are going to get if we have to be stubborn about non-essential matters. The Economy should be the only issue. If we can save the USA, then we can talk about other matters later. To do that now is foolishness.

I have some fiscally conservative friends who vote DEM because of Ecology and Abortion issues.  Let's not drive them away.  We may need each other. No -- make that we do need each other.

 

 

 

 

 

Posted by: Juliet16 at October 16, 2008 09:20 AM (2xgu5)

33

Maybe it's because I'm tolerant of most things sexual, consensual, non-violent, and loving,

 Christoph at October 16, 2008 05:09 AM

 

What?? No love for the kinky people?

That can be consensual, too, you know. :-)

Posted by: Micina at October 16, 2008 09:30 AM (O7Mtt)

34 How about pederasty?  Is that sacred? Practitioners claim it's their natural sexual orientation...

Posted by: HeatherRadish at October 16, 2008 09:43 AM (vajMc)

35 Theology of the Body (along with Humanae Vitae) changed. my. life.

I do not exaggerate.

TOB is a bit thick for a quick read, but anyone can log onto Vatican.va and read Humanae Vitae in a reasonable amount of time. It is beautiful and brilliant.


Posted by: Cathy at October 16, 2008 09:44 AM (3xgoE)

36 "TOB is a bit thick for a quick read, but anyone can log onto Vatican.va and read Humanae Vitae in a reasonable amount of time. It is beautiful and brilliant."

And incredibly prophetic. Paul VI told us exactly were we would be today.

Posted by: don_erico Knight of the Codpiece at October 16, 2008 09:55 AM (sDDDA)

37

Wow, interesting reading here.

I've always thought that sexuality is the ONLY thing that is really sacred to liberals.  Their entire platform goes back to the deification of sex - people should be able to have as much as they want, where they want, with no moral judgment and especially no consequences.  I've called Democrats the "party of lust" for years.  They believe we are all just rutting pigs ruled by our genitalia.  The only true happiness of humans is in the flesh.  Any attempt to place any moral judgment or legal restrictions on the consequences of unlimited sex is the ultimate threat to them.  "Punished with a baby"?  You betcha.  That's EXACTLY how liberals look at it.  Spending billions on AIDS research and drug subsidies?  Of course!  The public should have to share the cost of our unbridled, unclean homosexual practices, so "there isn't any moral judgment."  Sex education for five year olds?  Of course!  The sooner they start praying to the god of their genitalia, the better!

Surely you all know that the main reason Democrats are pushing so hard for nationalized health care is so that taxpayers will pay for abortions and AIDS treatment.  It has nothing to do with all those poor uninsured families. 

This is why Sarah Palin drives them batshit crazy.  She obviously has had a lot of sex, married a sexy guy, and doesn't even mind looking sexy herself.  BUT SHE ACCEPTS THE CONSEQUENCES, as has her daughter.  They challenge the liberals' self-delusion that there can be no consequence of sex, only pleasure.

Posted by: rockmom at October 16, 2008 09:55 AM (iZqUY)

38 ;">If the your ship is slowly sinking and will soon be completely underwater in 24 hours, why waste time washing dishes?

There are lot of people out there who don't think murdering a baby in the womb is as trivial as washing the dishes.

Posted by: Socky at October 16, 2008 09:57 AM (PLvLS)

Posted by: Huffybike at October 16, 2008 10:01 AM (D0qwJ)

40 23

JOE THE PLUMBER IS PISSED!

WWJD?

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 16, 2008 08:44 AM (CrSOk)

Thank God at least he gets it.  Too bad so many "conservative" pundits are ready to join hands and elect Obama.

Posted by: funky chicken at October 16, 2008 10:19 AM (xyyHG)

41

ace. could you please write a post about what McCain did right last night?  He really did a lot of things very, very well.  taxes, school choice, energy, ACORN, ACORN, ACORN

and it would be great to have video of McCain talking about voter fraud and how serious it is, with Obama on the split screen laughing and smirking at Bob Schieffer at the same time.

Posted by: funky chicken at October 16, 2008 10:21 AM (xyyHG)

42 You know who else said that?  Britney Spears.  time for a rerun of the "Celebrity" ad?

Posted by: funky chicken at October 16, 2008 10:22 AM (xyyHG)

43 rockmom,

You are exactly right (as usual)

The conventional wisdom is that conservatives, specially Christians, think that sex is bad or sinful or dirty. The reality is that it is liberals who have denigrated and turned sex into the lowest form of human expression, were people use each other  for their selfish gratification, with no regards for the consequences (physical, emotional or spiritual) or for the dignity of the human person.
On the other hand, if you read christian thought regarding sex, such as described in writings like Humane Vitae, Familiars Consortium or Theology of the Body, you can clearly see that Christians  believe sex is one of the greatest gifts God gave us, and the highest form of physical human expression, a complete union between two people which not only involves pleasure but total giving and, of course, the potential for new life.

This might sound puritan, but believe me, I usually fall short of these ideals. That doesn't mean it is not true.

Obama is right saying that sex is sacred, but he has a very wrong idea of what sacred means.


Posted by: don_erico Knight of the Codpiece at October 16, 2008 10:23 AM (sDDDA)

44 I'm happy to see the Theology of the Body love from fellow Catholics. (It's very cool how many thoughtful Catholics read Ace's blog. Must be our Irish and Italian heritage predisposing us to the AoS Lifestyle.)

rockmom: good comment. It galls libs to see a woman who clearly loves kids and doesn't think they're "punishment."

Posted by: Angry Beaver at October 16, 2008 10:31 AM (7sVL1)

45 Obama is right saying that sex is sacred, but he has a very wrong idea of what sacred means.

Right on, don_erico...you posted while I was sitting here trying to think of a good way to say, well, exactly what you just said.

Posted by: Angry Beaver at October 16, 2008 10:33 AM (7sVL1)

46

About Cuffy's post. What does "be sure and lick the boot" mean?

Do I want to know?

RWS, read the first quote block about the Wiccan view of sacred sex -- it has a REDHOT allusion to "kissing the boot." Rowr.

Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at October 16, 2008 10:35 AM (uOvAE)

47 I'm enjoying this, too, and I would just like someone to ask BO to define "sacred", with regards to sexuality.

Now THAT would be an interesting comment which would make "57 states" sound like Plato.

It cannot, by definition, be sacred if the natural result of the act is a "punishment" which can be destroyed at will.

Posted by: Cathy at October 16, 2008 10:35 AM (3xgoE)

48

Live Leak has a video showing evidence of the Dunhams's Mercer Island Unitarian Church advertising in Wiccan and Pagan forums touting Wiccan and Pagan church members.  The video was called "The Obama Strategy; Get Control of the Cockpit".  May have been Part III of a multiple part series.

This is creepy.

Somebody tell Ace to look at this.

Posted by: texette at October 16, 2008 10:42 AM (oV/4x)

49 At the risk of getting flamed - I'm pagan, and I get the "sexuality is sacred" thing. To me, though, it's about sharing a joyful and pleasurable experience with (ideally) the one you love, though anyone going along consensually absolutely counts. And, certainly, sex is the ultimate creative act, right? If God/dess is "the creator" then sex, with its creative purpose, is sacred.

Sure it's sacred. Why not say that sex brings you closer to deity? Why do you think people are always screaming, "OH GOD!" anyway? ;-)

And yeah, the "lick the boot" phrase is all about the kink, baby.

What does NOT add up for me is that Barry says sexuality is sacred, but the product of sex isn't? Um, no. Sorry. Does not compute, in my mind.

Posted by: AngelEm at October 16, 2008 10:48 AM (EyKhI)

50 AngelEm,

No flames here. You actually have a VERY good grasp of Theology of the Body and the Catholic (can't speak for other denominations - have no idea) view of human sexuality.
You're dead-on right, and you put it nicely.

Sex allows us to participate in the creative action of THE Creator.
Wowza.

Now that's something worth ignoring a headache for!


Posted by: Cathy at October 16, 2008 10:53 AM (3xgoE)

51 Kiss the boot, not lick. Whatever.

Posted by: AngelEm at October 16, 2008 10:53 AM (EyKhI)

52 Yeah, I've heard that concept both from the evangelicals I grew up with and the wiccan chicks I knew.  Hell, the TiVo just hoovered up a show on Eastern mystical sexual practices (good, TiVo, nice TiVo) so that's not new terminology.

Yeah, and this is why "sex is sacred" is one of those content-free, feel-good statements that everyone can agree with even though it can have wildly different meanings, depending on who's saying it.

In other words, it's a statement perfect for politicians.

Posted by: OregonMuse at October 16, 2008 10:59 AM (FO+YO)

53

#39  Thanks for the link.

Obama clearly rehearsed this response to paint himself as some kind of Christian moralist to try to appeal to undecided moderate voters.  His record is 100% the opposite.  His slip of "punished with a baby" as well as his speech last year to Planned Parenthood when he thought nobody was listening put the lie to any notion that he would actually try to discourage young people from having sex or would promote adoption over abortion.  He told Planned Parenthood that the FIRST piece of legislation he wants to sign is the Freedom of Choice Act, which would enshrine abortion on demand into Federal law, overturn the Partial Birth Abortion Act, overturn and preempt all the state PABAs as well as parental notification laws, and provide Medicaid funding for abortions.  He is the most pro-abortion candidate in American history.

Posted by: rockmom at October 16, 2008 11:00 AM (iZqUY)

54 IIRC, one of the more liberal Islamic poets [al-Hajj, maybe - "the Wool-Carder" - murdered for apostasy] said that the closest a man can get to Allah and paradise in this world was in the arms of a woman by sodomizing a ripe casaba melon.

Fixed.

Posted by: OregonMuse at October 16, 2008 11:03 AM (FO+YO)

55 Cathy @ 50--

I find that sex often *cures* headaches...

Posted by: AngelEm at October 16, 2008 11:03 AM (EyKhI)

56

Cathy, AB, et al:

I'm with you on Humanae Vitae. I'll admit that JPII and TOB were a little too much for me, but Christoper West is fantastic. Easy to understand without being dumbed down.

And AngelEm--a late friend of mine was pagan. She agreed that abortion was violence to the unborn, and that whole Rule of Three thing.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate's wife at October 16, 2008 11:06 AM (W/keU)

57 Angel,

Hey, that works for you too?



Seriously, it's a proven medical fact that sex can indeed cure a minor headache by relaxing tense muscles.

And it works wonders for other minor medical annoyances.

Sacred? Yep.
Good for human beings? You betcha.

Posted by: Cathy at October 16, 2008 11:09 AM (3xgoE)

58 AngelEm
"And, certainly, sex is the ultimate creative act, right? If God/dess is "the creator" then sex, with its creative purpose, is sacred."

This is in fact a major component of catholic theology on sex. Not only it is a creative act but it is the one situation in which humans are creators as well, more precisely, they are "co-creators" with God.
However, this "creative" characteristic is only one of the aspects and purposes of sex, the other aspect is "unitive" and refers to the free and total union of the couple, in complete self-giving without holding anything back, a true unselfish union at all levels.
The sticky point for a lot of people, including many Catholics, is that these two aspects cannot be separated, rejecting one denies the other and destroys the the true meaning of the act and its integrity, thus the teaching on contraception.

Of course, none of these negates:

To me, though, it's about sharing a joyful and pleasurable experience with
(ideally) the one you love
Having fun is a big part of it, or giving its implications, nobody would do it

Posted by: don_erico Knight of the Codpiece at October 16, 2008 11:17 AM (sDDDA)

59 It was either in one of the "Letters of JRR Tolkien" or in the beginning of Lewis's "Mere Christianity" where the author mentions that orthodox Christianity in the 20th C. had much more in common with the Muslims (obviously, times have changed a bit) or Orthodox Judaism that with many other Christian denominations, because of the firm belief in the sacred, in natural law, in the right to life, etc.
I would add pagan/wicca to this category today, and without hesitation.

I have little in common with the Christians at work, as far as our personal belief systems. They do not believe in the natural law. They do not believe life is sacred.
They just "accept Jesus as their personal savior."


Posted by: Cathy at October 16, 2008 11:20 AM (3xgoE)

60

Just so we're clear, I'm digging all of this sacred sex talk. I'm not a religious guy (pagan, Catholic or otherwise), so this is all very enlightening. And hot.

I just never expected that unfamiliar (to me) phrase to slide so easily into a Presidential Debate topic about teenage sex.

Half-attentive with a few beers, my first reaction was "holy crap, Obama thinks the unbridled sexuality of promiscuous teenagers is sacrosanct!" Combine that with his infamous Illinois sex-ed bill and you can see how I thought he had just stepped in it, big time.

Oh well. It still gave this political junkie a brief, sacred boner.

Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at October 16, 2008 11:30 AM (uOvAE)

61 They do not believe in the natural law.

They don't believe in gravity?

They do not believe life is sacred.

Really. Then why are do so many evangelicals show up at pro-life rallies?

Curious statements. But I wonder if by not having much in common with "other Christian denominations", Tolkien had in mind "liberal Protestant" churches. If so, I'd guess that your Christina friends at work are probably not liberal Protestants.

Posted by: OregonMuse at October 16, 2008 11:32 AM (FO+YO)

62 Aargh. "Christina friends" == "Christian friends."

Posted by: OregonMuse at October 16, 2008 11:33 AM (FO+YO)

63 Cuffy -

You're assuming that Obama gave that phrase the amount of thought (and deep, sincere belief) that we have here. I don't believe so. I think it was a throwaway line that suited his needs at that moment.

Your sacred boner was justified, IMO.

Posted by: AngelEm at October 16, 2008 11:40 AM (EyKhI)

64

Raised Catholic with Wiccan and Pagan friends--sex as a sacrament was part of my upbringing.  What's creepy to me is that Obama's upbringing centered on Communism, Islam, Occultism, Afrocentrism, intellectual radicalism, and a mentor who was a pedophile.  This constellation of ingredients (absent any apparent leavening of traditional middle class American culture) is a wicked, wicked brew for fermenting particularly insidious pathologies.

I so do not want this man as my president.

Obama is a sociopath who holds women in particular contempt.

Posted by: texette at October 16, 2008 11:46 AM (oV/4x)

65 Just ask Larry Sinclair. BaaaaawwwwwwHaaaaawwwww!!!!!!

Posted by: LtE113(Mike in Chicago) at October 16, 2008 11:47 AM (/L1AV)

66 Well, at last we've found something Obama thinks is sacred.  We know he doesn't think life is, or his word, or his friendship.  Or, God knows, the Constitution.  But sex -- that's something we just can't compromise on.

Posted by: Socratease at October 16, 2008 12:43 PM (ZK1lK)

67 Oregon,
When I refer to the "natural law" when discussing a religious matter, I am referring to the law written on the heart of man which C.S. Lewis defines so well in "Mere Christianity."
Not Isaac Newton.

Yes, I suppose they believe in gravity.
What they do not believe in is that it is a fact that certain actions can be wrong, no matter how one personally feels, no matter what society says about those actions, and no matter how many millions of people are doing those actions.
Relativism, and all that.

Oh, I know there are many evangelicals who are anti-abortion, and for that I'm grateful.
My point is (sorry if I wasn't clear) that by and large, the right to life is not a doctrine of many Christian faiths as it was up until about 1930. You can believe in "choice", or you can not.
Yes, indeed, I know that there are some pastors who preach the right to life, all the time, period. And God knows (no, really. God knows.) there are Catholic priests who have been known to preach "choice" from the pulpit. But this preaching has never, ever, ever been Catholic doctrine. It is a grave sin for a priest to mislead his flock regarding the faith.

But the people I work with are more into Black Liberation Theology, and they are *all for* abortion on demand, even after I let them know that Margaret Sanger founded what would become Planned Parenthood in part to eradicate black people and "clean up" the gene pool, that she loved the KKK and spoke at their rallies, and that 80% of abortion clinics are located in minority neighborhoods.

Many of them believe in Jesus, and they like what He said, until the part about millstones and such.
Then they're all, "Hey, look! Unicorns!"


Posted by: Cathy at October 16, 2008 12:51 PM (3xgoE)

68 Yeah, I found nothing "weird" about this comment of Obama.  

It is actually a very Christian (or at least Catholic, which I am) thing to say. 

The only reason it struck me is because if he held sexuality as being so "sacred", then he would hold the fruit of that sexuality as a bit more sacred as well.  But he doesn't.  Captain Bullshit strikes again.

Posted by: dan-O at October 16, 2008 01:23 PM (teb/C)

69

Rockmom and Alexthechick hit it spot on. This is the Rule Of The Anus. It is the Left's demand that people have a right to put anything in their mouths or anuses without consequence, and then they demand the right to socialized medicine when the inevitable consequences occur.

The Rule Of The Anus trumps petty bourgeois concepts like natural law, property rights, freedom of conscience. All who oppose the Rule Of The Anus must be cowed, intimidated, or otherwise silenced, and their taxes raised.

 

Posted by: Curmudgeon at October 16, 2008 01:42 PM (ujg0T)

70 When Obama let that line go, "sexuality is sacred," Bill Clinton got a chubby.

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What?? No love for the kinky people?

That can be consensual, too, you know. :-)

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It's a personal choice. If two people choose to duel, I think that should be legal. I'm pretty libertarian. (It isn't legal and no, I won't duel with anyone here, not even someone.)

But I for one would fight a duel before having violent sex. I don't believe in mixing sex and violence. I don't want to confuse the two in any way in my mind.

I intentionally bring pleasure, not pain, to a love (or lover).

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Obviously Obama doesn't support pederasty.

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Yes, well, the reason sexuality is sacred is because it produces children, which seems like a pretty magical process. Creating a brand new person!

And whether as a result of evolutionary reasons or God, sex is extremely pleasurable as a result of its importance to the survival of our species.

It doesn't even increase the odds of survival of the practitioners of sex. It makes enormous energy, time, and food demands on them. However it is vital for our species and I believe adults have a duty to protect children, not the other way around.

However, the left believes in "sacred sexuality" without the protection of the more sacred human life that results.

Which is to say they are evil bastards.

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74 What they do not believe in is that it is a fact that certain actions can be wrong, no matter how one personally feels, no matter what society says about those actions, and no matter how many millions of people are doing those actions.
Relativism, and all that.

Oh, I know there are many evangelicals who are anti-abortion, and for that I'm grateful.
My point is (sorry if I wasn't clear) that by and large, the right to life is not a doctrine of many Christian faiths as it was up until about 1930. You can believe in "choice", or you can not.
Yes, indeed, I know that there are some pastors who preach the right to life, all the time, period. And God knows (no, really. God knows.) there are Catholic priests who have been known to preach "choice" from the pulpit. But this preaching has never, ever, ever been Catholic doctrine. It is a grave sin for a priest to mislead his flock regarding the faith.

But the people I work with are more into Black Liberation Theology, and they are *all for* abortion on demand, even after I let them know that Margaret Sanger founded what would become Planned Parenthood in part to eradicate black people and "clean up" the gene pool, that she loved the KKK and spoke at their rallies, and that 80% of abortion clinics are located in minority neighborhoods.

Many of them believe in Jesus, and they like what He said, until the part about millstones and such.
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As I said, they are evil bastards.

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75 But the people I work with are more into Black Liberation Theology, and they are *all for* abortion on demand,

Eeew, where do you work? I don't believe I've ever met anyone who actually takes that theology seriously.

even after I let them know that Margaret Sanger founded what would become Planned Parenthood in part to eradicate black people and "clean up" the gene pool, that she loved the KKK and spoke at their rallies, and that 80% of abortion clinics are located in minority neighborhoods.

They probably don't believe you.

And actually, I don't blame them all that much. Sanger's hatred for non-whites and non-Europeans is hard to take in the first time you hear of it.

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I'm embarrassed to say.

(Whispers)

I work for the City of Chicago.

Re: trying to talk to them about Sanger - you're absolutely correct.

It really is hard for anyone to imagine that a modern American folk-hero could be all about eugenics.

Eh, I'll just keep telling them and hoping something clicks one day.

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