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| Enter The PUMAExistential Threats Make Strange Bedfellows Check out this essay from HillBuzz. And Buck Up, Wally.Cons are driving me crazy with their endless wailing about Mainstream Media Bias and Mainstream Media Polls, simultaneously. Don't you think for a minute that we aren't being played, and in a way that makes past years look like nothing. They haven't even bothered to hide their bias this time around, from ordinary coverage to debates. Do you really think the polls are going to be anything less than the same game in play? We're not kidding about existential threats. Obama has been a net power-abuser even in his limited capabilities. Greater power will likely encourage him to act against normal citizens in massive strokes. Free speech, voting rights, and therefore Liberty-with-a-capital-L is in the cross hairs in this election. I feel like such an alarmist ass for saying this type of thing. I feel like a Black Helicopter type. But this is how I see things, realistically, from the lawsuits this man's campaign has filed, and the way he will not hesitate to use sympathetic law enforcement agencies as arms of his campaign. And from the way he funnels money to corrupt organizations like ACORN which are dedicated to gumming up the voter registration process and faking votes, among other things. Whatever your differences with the PUMAs, set them aside for the mutual fight against a truly existential threat to the American People's Freedom in the aggregate. We can argue specific policy details later, when we're still free to do so. You vote for this man once, you may never vote for anyone else again (check that post for info about the 22nd Amendment). I would like to welcome the Hillary supporters aboard, umm well, not the conservative ship, but the Defeat Obama ship. Again, we can bitch at each other later when we're still at liberty to shout our beliefs. And it's gonna feel so good when we do. Rowr. Welcome, Ladies and Gentlemen of the allied-opposition. Please make yourselves at home. This is your couch too. Just a warning about Ace's pad; the language is raw and the floor is sticky. The men are gentlemen but will customarily ask you to show your tits, just in case you're obliging in that regard. You don't have to. Much. UPDATE: From commenter How to Defeat Barack Obama. I just scanned the link, but I'm afraid I don't see anything there or here in the way of a course of action. So, let me suggest that instead of chasing rabbits, this site encourages people to go to BHO appearances and ask him tough questions on video. Then, upload his response to Youtube. He's not used to being challenged, so a good question would catch him off-guard and he might reveal himself to be an empty suit. Even if he does provide an answer, if the question is good enough he'd be forced to answer for some of his lies or the flaws in his policies. So, this site should encourage its visitors to do that. And, it should get in touch with other sites and encourage them to get involved. If not that, then let me suggest dealing with media bias by calling reporters on their lies in their comments sections, such as those at the WaPo and Swampland.Excellent ideas. Does AOSHQ have people with the skills and balls to bring it? Comments1
Welcome PUMA's -- I may disagree with you on policy, but I respect each and every one of you.
Posted by: baxtrice at October 14, 2008 11:55 PM (QtEAK) 2
yep.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at October 14, 2008 11:55 PM (eiOZw) 3
Love the PUMA's.
Posted by: mesablue at October 14, 2008 11:56 PM (5yNaE) 4
Life is so much easier when you stay away from the msm.
Posted by: KCLady at October 14, 2008 11:59 PM (4eYzF) 5
What's This?
The press is afraid to poll the PUMAS? Is the media going mum on math that could be menacing to the Messiah? Posted by: Bart speaks like the voiceover guy from Batman at October 14, 2008 11:59 PM (sF2fI) Posted by: OU_Gryphon at October 15, 2008 12:00 AM (1OiHj) 7
The comment section at HillBuzz is pretty refreshing.
Much less gloom and doom than we've seen around here the last year. Posted by: mesablue at October 15, 2008 12:01 AM (5yNaE) 8
Today I saw obama's name on a stop sign. People are fighting back. I am seeing signs that the beast is waking up around here.
Posted by: KCLady at October 15, 2008 12:02 AM (4eYzF) 9
The men are gentlemen but will customarily ask you to show your tits, just in case you're obliging in that regard. You don't have to.
Much. Well it's mostly just a suggestion - unless you start boasting, then you have to produce pics. Posted by: Mætenloch at October 15, 2008 12:02 AM (O8Quh) 10
God, I love LauraW...(and now PUMA's but for just long enough.)
If this blog gets a divorce, I'm going with mom! LauraW, do you have your own blog? Posted by: Hongqi at October 15, 2008 12:04 AM (+WuMm) 11
wow that was fun -- i love that guy
anyway, seriously, remember all the polls asking Hillary's dems if they would not vote for Obama? The numbers, at the time, were quite staggering: something like 28%. We (I mean me) said at the time that if McCain gets 1/4 of those, he'll win. We also said those numbers were not sustainable as the campaign season drew to end. BUT, I'd still like to see a fresh poll done on this just see the results because the absence of this poll is quite the mystery, me thinks. Posted by: Bart speaks like the voiceover guy from Batman at October 15, 2008 12:04 AM (sF2fI) 12
Gentlemen, my ass.
A couple of these pervs asked me to show them my man-boobs, too. But I have standards. It cost them two bottles of Val-U-Rite. Posted by: Hurricane Mikey at October 15, 2008 12:05 AM (OmIEH) 13
It would seem to me that PUMA's are the only real Americans left in the Democratic party.
Left by nature, but still believing in the process. Not entirely dismissive of conservative ideas, but willing to engage when we are wrong. The rest have become bona fide socialists and communists. Ok, that is enough drunken praise for the Hill supporters. That is all... Posted by: Sgt. York at October 15, 2008 12:05 AM (u3pgy) Posted by: CB at October 15, 2008 12:06 AM (9Wv2j) 15
Bart, I'm sure that poll has taken place -- and was quickly deep sixed.
Posted by: mesablue at October 15, 2008 12:06 AM (5yNaE) 16
...Liberty-with-a-capital-L is in the cross hairs in this election. I feel
like such an alarmist ass for saying this type of thing. I feel like a
Black Helicopter type.
Yeah, I was telling my wife the other day that after 5+ years of being a firearm owner, this is the first time when I'm seriously considering stocking up on ammo in case guns and ammo are banned. I've always looked down on the stockpilers and alarmists because I thought they were nuts. Now, looking at an Obama presidency dictatorship, I'm actually thinking it's the only prudent course of action for supporters of the 2nd Amendment. Posted by: OU_Gryphon at October 15, 2008 12:07 AM (1OiHj) 17
I just scanned the link, but I'm afraid I don't see anything there or here in the way of a course of action.
So, let me suggest that instead of chasing rabbits, this site encourages people to go to BHO appearances and ask him tough questions on video. Then, upload his response to Youtube. He's not used to being challenged, so a good question would catch him off-guard and he might reveal himself to be an empty suit. Even if he does provide an answer, if the question is good enough he'd be forced to answer for some of his lies or the flaws in his policies. So, this site should encourage its visitors to do that. And, it should get in touch with other sites and encourage them to get involved. If not that, then let me suggest dealing with media bias by calling reporters on their lies in their comments sections, such as those at the WaPo and Swampland. And, if you don't want my plans for some unknown reason, please at least come up with a plan. Posted by: How to Defeat Barack Obama at October 15, 2008 12:10 AM (LlB4c) 18
Cougars, PUMAs, whatever. It's all good.
Posted by: apotheosis at October 15, 2008 12:10 AM (xWk3U) 19
Thanks, LauraW., for fully understanding and stating the seriousness of the situation. I don't think many here do.
They oppose Obama, but do not grasp the threat he presents. Posted by: Christoph at October 15, 2008 12:11 AM (hawOV) 20
I never thought I'd wish Hillary Clinton had the opportunity to sit in the Oval Office as POTUS.
But then Obama came along. Compared to Obama she's Ronald Reagan John Fucking Kennedy. Hell, Obama probably thought Khrushchev was an okay guy, if only we'd sit down to talk with him. Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at October 15, 2008 12:13 AM (Ulsfn) 21
I am generally not a derangement candidate myself - whether it was with Hillary or Kerry or Gore. I decried how our society seemed to pretend there was more of a divide between our even split between parties than there really is. I want to be like Dennis Miller was on the Tonight Show last week in saying that whoever becomes president this time around, let's put the hatred (as in the attacks on Bush and neocons) aside.
But, the more I have learned about Obama, and the more I've watched his campaign, the more I've decided this is different. If he gets into office, and his radical roots say what they most likely say about him, and the Dems have gains in Congress like predicted, and its leadership doesn't think to or doesn't want to check his radical bent, we could be serious trouble. Not President Carter, oh my gosh, what bad policies I have trouble ---- REAL - Jesus, who let this radical in charge of the nation trouble. The key will be the dem party. How much of its leadership is close enough to the radical side that they will float to Obama and away from the center? Hillary did write her thesis on the Saul Alinsky guy who credited Lucifer with being the first community organizer --- who wrote the play book for groups like ACORN... That Kucinich guy will feel right at home. My gut still tells me that the natural order of our democracy will hold even a radical Obama presidency back. Once in charge, to go radical, he'll have to drop the pretense, or maybe not???? Who knows with this media we have today.....How much cover can they give the guy once he is in office running things??? In short, my gut says that, the more he shows his true radical roots, the more he will alienate the masses, and the more the dems will slide away from him, and the more Congress will reign him in. (If he wins)... Posted by: usinkorea at October 15, 2008 12:13 AM (TfsLp) 22
Originally I was planning on posting Patton's speech to the 3rd Army, but Ace doesn't like long strings of text. Too bad.
Welcome aboard, PUMA's. Now let's go kick some ass. Posted by: Ack at October 15, 2008 12:15 AM (Pj7FR) 23
Everyone needs to see that video of obama with the plumber. The one where obama says he going to spread the wealth.
Posted by: KCLady at October 15, 2008 12:15 AM (4eYzF) Posted by: 29Victor at October 15, 2008 12:16 AM (kJVzu) 25
Damage. I LOVE YOU LauraW.
Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 15, 2008 12:16 AM (1cqur) 26
Some dumbass wrote, "the enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy no more no less..." Must not have studied WWII very well.
Welcome PUMA's! Posted by: Hongqi at October 15, 2008 12:18 AM (+WuMm) Posted by: KCLady at October 15, 2008 12:18 AM (4eYzF) 28
Did I just write an unintentional haiku?
Wait.....[wiki, wiki, wiki]...ah...got it..... I never dug Hill. But she doesn't frighten me. Barry frightens me. Posted by: 29Victor at October 15, 2008 12:19 AM (kJVzu) 29
So....Allahpundit should change his name to Eeyorepundit?
Posted by: 29Victor at October 15, 2008 12:22 AM (kJVzu) 30
@ 27
Yeah, especially that first part. ""Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of bullshit. Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend your homes and your loved ones. Second, you are here for your own self respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight." Posted by: Ack at October 15, 2008 12:23 AM (Pj7FR) 31
Hillary actually was the very best out of the '08 Dem field. While I tend to disagree with a great majority of her views, I always knew at heart she is much more careful and pragmatic that the Obamessiah or any of the other dwarves in the field. Old Skool, America lovin' libs I can handle. This socialist crowd right now scares the hell out of me. We shall work together for the common good, just like good Americans should. Posted by: Espkc at October 15, 2008 12:24 AM (ZFUFj) 32
Obama doesn't frighten me.
And Obama presidency does. I can't imagine that douchebag wielding the levers of Presidential power. It's almost incomprehensible to me. Posted by: Hurricane Mikey at October 15, 2008 12:24 AM (OmIEH) 33
The men are gentlemen but will customarily ask you to show your tits,
just in case you're obliging in that regard. You don't have to.
Oh, they're not so bad. They're just the old fashion types that don't obsess about hair balms, man blouses and shaving their entire bodies. In short, this crew still uses Ivory soap complete with the pubic hairs embedded. I dig them. Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 15, 2008 12:25 AM (1cqur) 34
What was that Palin line- the heels go on and the gloves come off. I want to see Obama wimper back to chicago and michele throw him out for being the loser he is. This is my prayer. Posted by: politicalmuse at October 15, 2008 12:25 AM (kLKnf) 35
Let's win this thing for Hillary. I would vote for her over Obumble in a heartbeat.
Posted by: Jones/CO at October 15, 2008 12:27 AM (KOkrW) 36
I have many disagreements with Hillary Clinton, but she's not a socialist. She doesn't blather on about being "fair" in relation to capital gains taxes. She doesn't appear to think we should just accept a nuclear Iran, and she's genuinely tough.
A year ago, I didn't think all of that was a big deal, in the sense that of course one had to feel that way to get nominated by a major party, right? Let's just say that my opinions have changed. If you told me today that I could definitely, 100% avoid having Obama be president in exchange for accepting Hillary as president for eight years, I'd ask where to get my "Clinton/Palin" sign. (C'mon, I'd have to ask for something.) Okay, okay, "Clinton/Moderate Democrat to be Named Later," if I must. Interesting, isn't it, that in this election spotlighting a former POW and a vet of the Chicago political machine, the toughest, most resilient figures are the women? I'm not surprised, but I think some people in the MSM are having trouble wrapping their minds around that. Posted by: m at October 15, 2008 12:29 AM (JfU9p) 37
They're just the old fashion types that don't obsess about hair balms, man blouses and shaving their entire bodies.
not necessarily, ah, thair, little goyl Posted by: Bart at October 15, 2008 12:31 AM (sF2fI) 38
The key will be the dem party.
And the constituents in districts where the democrat might be vulnerable in a mid-term. If those constituents pressure their congresscritters enough, they'll break with Obama/Pelosi out of a sense of self preservation even if they really wanted to go along. With the House essentially campaigning 50% of the time they're in office, they can't really rely on the "voter's short memory" come election day the way some in the Senate do. Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 15, 2008 12:32 AM (Xl9pj) 39
It's funny how everyone is forgetting that Hillary has said on many occasions that she very much in favor of wealth re-distribution.
Sorry, but it's true. Posted by: Bart at October 15, 2008 12:32 AM (sF2fI) 40
What was that Palin line- the heels go on and the gloves come off.
That well applies to these tough-as-nails PUMAs. I'm appreciative of their inability to back down, and I am so damn fuckin' proud of your ability to welcome them to a coalition, if they'll have us. We have two weeks. Posted by: lauraw at October 15, 2008 12:34 AM (DbybK) 41
Questions? You want someone to ask him questions?
I'm going to his rally to scream about how Bush is a traitor, McCain is a war criminal, Palin is a cunt, and they should all be killed. I'll do this while standing as close to a camera as I can. Axelrod would be proud. Posted by: THOMAS at October 15, 2008 12:34 AM (6XPFR) Posted by: Rasputin at October 15, 2008 12:35 AM (tunH+) 43
"Oh, they're not so bad. They're just the old fashion types that don't
obsess about hair balms, man blouses and shaving their entire bodies.
In short, this crew still uses Ivory soap complete with the pubic hairs
embedded.
"I dig them." Hey! You might like me after all. Posted by: Christoph at October 15, 2008 12:36 AM (hawOV) 44
Thank you, LauraW. 'Bout fuckin' time!!!!
And Pumas, tell Hillary to get off that fuckin' campaign trail before Obama takes her down with him. I won't be a hypocrite and pretend I'm all hilllaryish, but even I think she's stupid for campaigning for him after the way he treated her. For that matter, considering how the democrat party treated her, she should be voting for McCain. Posted by: Ann at October 15, 2008 12:41 AM (c3H+i) 45
We should have been reaching our hands out earlier to these folks. Their goal is ours (even if we have different reasons why we want to achieve those goals) - NOBAMA!
Posted by: pforeman at October 15, 2008 12:42 AM (S7Xpi) 46
#38
The press is what is holding me back from feeling OK about a possible worst case scenario. They have gone so far this election. In the spirit of this post, just look what it took out of them to get Obama over Hillary!! All of this stuff was in Obama's pre-election past - Wright, Ayers, ACORN, his pull toward the ideas of radicals. The media refused to dig into it, and when the Clintons brought it up, they pounded them just as they have the Republicans. They gave Hillary more of a fair shake in coverage than the Reps have gotten, but not once they deemed Obama a viable candidate. The last 1/3rd of the Dem run, they worked hard and bias against her too. Let's take an example: If Obama focuses on education early in his term and picks groups and people anywhere near those that were written about in the Kurtz article - the radical Chicago crowd --- will the media dig into them? If they start pushing radicalized textbooks, will the media let us know how radical? Or will the likes of La Raza and South Shore African Village Collaborative be portrayed ad nauseum in the media as "non-partisan" groups dealing with poverty and education issues? ...And when some non-media outlets digs into them...will the media join in chorus screaming "racist!!!" until the public at large can't get the news that way either? Posted by: usinkorea at October 15, 2008 12:46 AM (TfsLp) 47
I don't agree with Hillary on many things. Indeed, I find many faults with a Clinton campaign. But this is not about a Clinton campaign.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is about more than that. The Clinton's did things I didn't like. John McCain has done things I didn't like. But, God damn it, none of them came from the most corrupt city in America. None of them financed what's amounting to tens of thousands of fraudulent voter enrollments to potentially sway an election all across this nation. They are not "buddy-buddy" with terrorists. They do not support the Afro-socialist movements that our current opponent does. They will not take my guns away and they do not want to see our enemies grow more powerful and more capable of sending us, our friends, and everything we stand for into oblivion. Folks, this is an uphill battle. We've got to fight the media. We've got to fight the academics. We've got to fight the ignorant masses. And we've got to do all this to the best of our ability. But God damn it, we must do it, or it will surely mark the end of our way of life. You want to bitch about what the Clintons' planned? Do it after we've won. Do it after we've kicked their sorry asses back to the west coast, back to their hippy camps where they sit around and bitch about the animals and trees and never bathe. You may not care what happens to this nation, but I sure as fuck do. I guaran-damn-tee it that I'm going to have to live with this shit much longer than many of you as I'm the same age as many of the mindless hordes fawning over their new, personal Jesus Christ. We must win. I will personally shake the hand of ever PUMA who's got the guts to stand up to her own party and make a vote for a man with an (R) next to his name when she understands that its' the right thing to do. Those girls have got guts, and I like a strong woman. If we can win this election, we can tell the media to fuck off and we can finally expose all the shit that should have been exposed years ago about these filthy Reds running for office. We can tell the world that, yes, America knows what dictators and tyrants look like because we just had to fight one off. And we can mend these rifts and go on to fight another day. If we lose, we lose America. We lose the embodiment of the highest ideals of Man. We lost freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And I sure as Hell can't abide by that. At this point, I don't care if Hillary had made a modest proposal about eating babies to fix the economy. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and if PUMAs want to vote the same way I do in this election, then I'll quote a man they may very well despise and say "Let's roll." God bless America, God bless every man, woman, and child that loves America, and God bless the PUMAs. Posted by: Ack at October 15, 2008 12:50 AM (Pj7FR) 48
LauraW - bump this every day and keep it at the top of the page!!!!
Posted by: Ann at October 15, 2008 12:51 AM (c3H+i) 49
i got balls.....two of them you want to see them? they taste great! wait come back....for realz... me actually going to a bho rally....ummm i see two problems (1). punching every dirty brain dead commie in the throat will probably get me kicked out and (B). the very real possibility of the ONE self destructing at the prospect of answering a real question and the resulting explosion tearing apart the universe. Posted by: e.koenig at October 15, 2008 12:54 AM (2J+Vs) 50
Posted by: How to Defeat Barack Obama at October 15, 2008 12:10 AM (LlB4c)
I like. I hereby dub this plan OPERATION: MACACA Posted by: PowerPro at October 15, 2008 12:57 AM (JPEqm) 51
usinkorea, chill.
The majority of people can deal honestly with one another and don't give a damn about race. Reports from the media notwithstanding. I don't even believe that the radical indocrination that some African-American kids get at the hands of those organizations can survive very long in contact with ordinary good people. That is fringe shit, and will remain fringe shit, as long as Americans are decent folk. Posted by: lauraw at October 15, 2008 12:57 AM (DbybK) 52
Agreed all around. The PUMAs are smart, funny, and focused. And I agree with one of them who recently asked: where the !@#$ are the RNC and the 527s? I guess we'll have to make Michelle unproud of her country again without their help.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 15, 2008 12:58 AM (pg/HS) 53
lauraw at October 15, 2008 12:34 Well said. After reading the essay at HB, compare with this one from gamecock. Eeyore's pack your bags. Posted by: Nick at October 15, 2008 01:00 AM (FxSiY) Posted by: christmasghost at October 15, 2008 01:02 AM (aUut1) 55
They oppose Obama, but do not grasp the threat he presents.
Posted by: Christoph at October 15, 2008 12:11 AM (hawOV) While I do my best to minimalize my defeatism and don't believe I'd be included in an Eeyore-ishness I will still say FUCK YOU. Plenty of us grasp the threat he presents. What we're worried about is that either McCain does not or he does and is playing with himself. So stop with your asshole ways and go play on the Everything is Awesome blog. By the way, WELCOME PUMAS. I'm not a pessimist. I don't listen to the MSM and I don't listen to the polls. I'm fairly optimistic about this race. Posted by: Editor at October 15, 2008 01:04 AM (p4YSL) 56
I'm not giving an inch in my longstanding and well-reasoned opposition to Hillary, but I have truckloads of gratitude and admiration for the PUMAs who have done so much incredibly valuable work these last few months--and who recognized the thuggery and fascism of Obama--the incredible danger to our country, our freedom-- long before the rest of us did. Or at least, long before I did!
Are any of you PUMAs fans of Oriana Fallaci? Talk about an independent-minded woman who didn't give a damn whom she offended! The absolute embodiment of integrity and chutzpah. Orianna was the famous Italian journalist who, in her old age, wrote a rousing, stomping war-cry of a book called The Rage and the Pride, after 9/11. She immediately got death threats from Muslims as a result--and even faced criminal prosecution in her native Italy for for "defaming Islam"-- because she dared to criticize the de facto imposition of shari'a law in many parts of Western Europe! Stay with me here, there is a connection with Obama that I want to make.... Somewhere in one of Orianna's books or articles, I remember her recounting a memory of when she was a little girl growing up in Florence, Italy, and Adolf Hitler came through town. This was before Hitler had taken complete control of Germany. Fallaci remembered how charming Hitler was, what a nice smile he had.... Everyone thought he was such a nice, caring person; people cheered him as he went down the street; the women loved him and the children threw flowers at him. Sound familiar???? Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at October 15, 2008 01:07 AM (RzkwA) 57
#51
I'm not talking about Obama as president building a race war through education. I was specifically speculating about whether or not the media will be so far up Obama's bum as president as they are as candidate. If he starts promoting leaders of La Raza and Black Power-types for education and welfare and housing positions as if they were non-partisan, middle-of-the-road (motr) people, will the media shield him by calling any reporter or org who questions that racists. I mean, the media has been quick to throw the race card at McCain for subliminal messages, for Pete's sake!! Posted by: usinkorea at October 15, 2008 01:08 AM (TfsLp) 58
The PUMAs are amazing. I lurk several of their sites and they are fired up and raring to go.
It amazes me as a conservative that i get more jazzed about our goals while visiting the pro-Hillary sites than I do at conservative sites. I think some conservative sites are so desperate to prove some kind of faux intellectual honesty, I suppose, by showing the good, the bad, and the ugly a little more than necessary. I call that stupid. Argue the nuances after we win. Don't depress voter turn out with that kind of Eeyore outlook on the election. I'm not suggesting we whitewash the news, but is it necessary to highlight every bad development as an example of "how screwed over" we supposedly are? IMHO, there are many psuedo conservatives who are practically indistinguishable from well-positioned concern trolls, only the results are more deadly because we're supposed to "trust" these leaders. Our focus right now must be on winning. This is truly a bi-partisan effort (McCain would be proud!) and it requires us all to set aside whatever separates us so that we can focus on what needs to be done. The PUMAs get this. They see what's at stake and, while of course there are areas they disagree with us, they get it and are focused on the mission at hand. They're smart, organized, funny people (I mean they have good senses of humor) and conservatives would be wise to put aside petty issues and keep our sights on what's really important. Posted by: PowerPro at October 15, 2008 01:11 AM (JPEqm) 59
If it's any consolation Obama's longtime friend and mini-me, Deval Patrick, is a failure as a governor. He's sending Massachusetts into fiscal ruin. His cure? Layoffs for state employees, tax hikes, and doubling the tolls on toll roads and bridges.
Posted by: Bart at October 15, 2008 01:15 AM (sF2fI) 60
Welcome PUMAs. I stand with you.
Never give up, never surrender. (Yeah okay that's from a movie called Galaxy Quest. Nerds vote too ya know.) Posted by: Speculumation at October 15, 2008 01:16 AM (Vi57P) 61
#51 "That is fringe shit, and will remain fringe shit, as long as Americans are decent folk."
I'm in education, so I can agree with fringe poo OK but also question it. It depends on the packaging and how the edges are nibbled. For example, I was taught in the 1970s-early 80s in elementary school that the Myan indians were an ideal society we could learn from where they lived in harmony with nature, there was no war, and they played this wonderful soccer-basketball game. It wasn't until I was in college reading for myself that I learned the losing side of some of those games were sacrificed to the gods and the Mayans practiced not just seasonal warfare like other native American tribes (where they took slaves too) but imperialistic expansion. In the Kurtz article, he talks about a school in New Orleans changed its name from Georgia Washington because he owned slaves. It would not take much of a push of contemporary education leadership to get Thomas Jefferson painted fairly ugly and so on. That the bombing of Dresden was a war crime. That Hiroshima and Nagasaki were on par with the Holocaust. Well --- that Ayers and his crew were fighting the good fight. You get that in the humanities departments of colleges right now. How hard would it be for an Obama Chicago-roots appointed education secretary to push hard enough for that to be extended down to secondary and primary school education --- if the media were compliant with them....??? Posted by: usinkorea at October 15, 2008 01:18 AM (TfsLp) 62
I think some conservative sites are so desperate to prove some kind of
faux intellectual honesty, I suppose, by showing the good, the bad, and
the ugly a little more than necessary.
No, those conservatives are aware that the GOP candidate isn't attractive by conservative standards and they wonder, in the end, whether a seemingly Marxist man in the white house is actually possible and whether it'll send a message for voters to wake up. Our job is to convince them that people other than themselves, like the honorable PUMAs, do see a crisis that can be averted. It's similar to courting Democrats in that the GOP has so little conservative in it they might as well be another party. Does the coalition have a name yet? Existential Threat to the American (People's) Freedom? Posted by: Anonymous at October 15, 2008 01:18 AM (4yauu) 63
#56 Germany didn't have 200 years of democracy under its belt.
Posted by: usinkorea at October 15, 2008 01:23 AM (TfsLp) 64
I feel like such an alarmist ass for saying this type of thing. I feel like a Black Helicopter type.
I know exactly what you mean. There's just so much going on that should be making everybody uneasy, but apparently many people are so sure it can't happen here that they don't react to what's right in their faces. The thing with the prosecutors and sheriffs in Missouri should creep everybody out, not to mention the strong arm tactics at the Dem convention..and ACORN! I really hope the polls are are inaccurate, or if they're accurate that the numbers change in the next three weeks. As others have said, I don't agree at all with Hillary supporters as far as politics go, but this transcends that. Posted by: Bilby at October 15, 2008 01:25 AM (8iDn7) 65
I like what the PUMA site had to say about Polls and wish I'd hear more about that on conservative sites and radio.
A specific drum I'd beat, considering recent coverage about the dangers of Palin talking about Ayers is: how much the media slanting its poll number by over sampling dems and Obama demographic pluses - could be setting the stage for violence if McCain wins a close election. ??? Posted by: usinkorea at October 15, 2008 01:28 AM (TfsLp) 66
It's funny how everyone is forgetting that Hillary has said on many
occasions that she very much in favor of wealth re-distribution.
Sorry, but it's true. It is true. In fact, her comment in 2004 about taxing people for "the greater good" is one of the reasons that I decided to support President Bush, again, along with supporting the war in Iraq. However, there are a few things that I dislike even more is the idea of some corrupt politician using thugs and other illegal and intimidating tactics to subvert the electoral process. If there is one thing that we are looking for as a cri du couer, as our alliance purpose, that is it. There are many things that I dislike about Democrat policies, but there are also many things that I don't find too egregious. For instance, I believe that Hillary would have been a strong advocate of a strong foreign policy. I don't think she would have been intimidated by Ahmedinejad nor considered him an appropriate person to set down and talk to. However, what is really at stake here is not just the question of who pays taxes for what and who benefits. What is at stake is the survival of the American idea, the fair and free election of the government leaders of our nation. Government, for, of and by the people. There is the central modis operendi of our alliance. Nothing more, nothing less. Yet, it is the most powerful and compelling of all political ideas. We fought a war to establish it and we have fought many wars since then to defend it. Posted by: kat-missouri at October 15, 2008 01:28 AM (GxnBZ) 67
I mentioned this over at HillBuzz, but... PUMAs, I could not be prouder to stand with you right now... thanks for your energy and optimism. I was really down prior to reading the anti-Eeyore post, and it served as a great reminder to keep swinging. In four years, we may be on opposite sides of things, but we are allies at this moment, and there's nobody I'd rather fight alongside. Thanks- from the depths of my soul- to all of you. I hope we'll see you here in the future. tmi3rd Posted by: tmi3rd at October 15, 2008 01:30 AM (X9MTa) 68
Bart, Deval Patrick is not Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces. He is not the head of the US Executive branch. I also don't think Deval Patrick is close personal friends with William Ayers and Jeremiah Wright. Patrick appears to be a hapless dolt who was Axelrod's warm up run. So no, your offering Patrick's failure is no consolation to me. It may be a consolation to Mitt Romney if he's willing to serve again as MA governor again, and willing to spend 4 years shoveling the shit that ol Deval has piled up there. Deval Patrick's failure might make it easy for Romney to win an election to the US Senate when Ted Kennedy leaves. But no, it doesn't make me feel better about Obama. Posted by: funky chicken at October 15, 2008 01:31 AM (xyyHG) 69
The PUMA'S are trying to take back their party....thumbs up to that!
The party of Obama has now been taken the Democrats and how do we stop that? I never thought I would see the day that the Democrats (PUMA) would be given the same discourse of the Republican party. We are in a very bad time and need to fight this and it is damn hard because the MSM won't. Daily Kos reading this.....fuck off! Time for some serious organizing without ACORN! I am off to do something of which is unknown.. BTW(I think someone already gave the link) Michelle Obama just screwed it up for Obama.... She messed with African Press International. She demanded they be nice to her or she would not invite them to the inauguration ceremony of her dearly beloved Obama http://tinyurl.com/43urlw On Farakhan and his ministry, Mrs Obama told API that it was unfortunate that Mr Farakhan came out the way he did supporting her husband openly before the elections was over. That was not wholehearted support but one that was calculated to convince the American people that my husband will support the growth of muslim faith if he became the president, adding “even if my husband was able to prove that he is not a Muslim, he will not be believed by those who have come out strongly to destroy his chances of being the next President. Do real people expect someone to deny a religion when 80 percent of his relatives are Muslims?; Mrs Obama asked. Mrs Obama asked API to write a good story about her husband and that will earn API an invitation to the innoguration ceremony when, as she put it , her husband will be installed as the next President of the United States of America next year. Posted by: SH at October 15, 2008 01:35 AM (arAyy) 70
Does the coalition have a name yet? Existential Threat to the American (People's) Freedom?
Posted by: Anonymous at October 15, 2008 01:18 AM (4yauu) So no one likes my OPERATION: MACACA??? *pouts* Posted by: PowerPro at October 15, 2008 01:36 AM (JPEqm) 71
usinkorea is right about the education stuff. and this post was excellent: If Obama focuses on education early in his term and picks groups and people anywhere near those that were written about in the Kurtz article - the radical Chicago crowd --- will the media dig into them? If they start pushing radicalized textbooks, will the media let us know how radical? Or will the likes of La Raza and South Shore African Village Collaborative be portrayed ad nauseum in the media as "non-partisan" groups dealing with poverty and education issues? Posted by: usinkorea at October 15, 2008 12:46 AM (TfsLp) The answers are no, no, yes, yes. I think the CAC is the story that could turn the election. Most Americans send their kids to public schools, and they don't want their kids exposed to that kind of crap. Posted by: funky chicken at October 15, 2008 01:38 AM (xyyHG) 72
>Oh, they're not so bad. They're just the old fashion types that don't obsess about hair balms, man blouses and shaving their entire bodies. In short, this crew still uses Ivory soap complete with the pubic hairs embedded. don't forget Old Spice and digging earwax out with your carkeys Posted by: Jones/CO at October 15, 2008 01:42 AM (KOkrW) 73
The party of Obama has now been taken the Democrats and how do we stop that?
If Obie goes down, chances are Dean and that crew don't survive. Nobody likes to lose three in a row and there will be a price to be paid by whoever was the architects. So, we stop it by having OBama lose. If he wins, then it just reinforces the notion that Gore/Kerry weren't liberal enough. Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 15, 2008 01:47 AM (Xl9pj) 74
Well, fc, you got that pie-in-the-sky-McCain victory to cling to, so you've got that going for you, which is nice. I live in place called reality and am fully aware that it's a strong possibility that Obama will steal this election from McCain.
I used Patrick to show people that Obama's policies are failures. Maybe people will look at Patrick and think twice about voting for his clone, Obama. But with the real possibility of an Obama win, the people who can face reality when it smacks them in the face need to look forward and focus on midterm elections and Obama's defeat in 2012. That's just the way it is. I'm sorry if you, and some others, can't accept the stark reality of life. Positive thinking is a bunch of bullshit, in my opinion; action is much more effective. The ball is McCain's court and he's sitting on it. And there's absolutely nothing we can do about that. By the way, this isn't the Hot Air comments section. We aren't a bunch of douchebags who insult each other when we disagree with them. (Well, I do, but that's different). So I suggest you think twice before you type some snarky insulting responses to people who don't think exactly like you do and try to type an insightful comment on why you're right. Posted by: Bart at October 15, 2008 01:49 AM (sF2fI) 75
Posted by: SH at October 15, 2008 01:35 AM (arAyy)
I've seen that article and the various places that posted it seem to be suggesting that until we receive some kind of verification, to take that report with a grain of salt. I think that's a wise procaution to take these days given the stakes. Posted by: PowerPro at October 15, 2008 01:59 AM (JPEqm) 76
SH--wowzer, good find
Posted by: funky chicken at October 15, 2008 02:10 AM (xyyHG) 77
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Posted by: Matt at October 15, 2008 02:40 AM (VOZQq) 78
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I never thought I'd wish Hillary Clinton had the opportunity to sit in the Oval Office as POTUS.
But then Obama came along. Compared to Obama she's Ronald Reagan John Fucking Kennedy. Amen. I voted for her in Indiana's primary as part of Op. Chaos (is wrong that I giggle and think of Butters from SP every time I think of Rush's code name?) But when I decided to vote for her it was also because she really was the better choice of the two. I mean most votes cast usually are of the "lesser of two evils" variety and this was no different for me. Like kat-missouri said in 66, there's NO WAY that woman was going to let any of these male thugs push her around. And I wish right now she was our opposition instead of this terrifying marxist douchebag. I'd sleep better. Posted by: nightwitch at October 15, 2008 03:18 AM (dfTf5) 79
#78 nightwitch wrote, "Like kat-missouri said in 66, there's NO WAY that woman was going to let any of these male thugs push her around." Last year I said that while I wouldn't be happy with Hillary as POTUS, enemies of the USA would be miserable. nightwitch finished, "And I wish right now she was our opposition instead of this terrifying marxist douchebag. I'd sleep better." Ditto. I feel better knowing about the PUMAs. In the next election may they have a candidate worthy of their strength and devotion. Posted by: Looking Glass at October 15, 2008 03:30 AM (7qIIr) 80
You vote for this man once, you may never vote for anyone else again (check that post for info about the 22nd Amendment).
Wow, you really do have something in common with the PUMAs. Be sure to crosspost their excuses for why the release of the Whitey Tape not happening before the election is all part of the grand plan. Whackjob fantasy conspiracy theorists in arms eh. Great stuff. Posted by: Kilo at October 15, 2008 04:16 AM (uVNS1) 81
What's This? The press is afraid to poll the PUMAS?
Is the media going mum on math that could be menacing to the Messiah? That could be one explanation for their claims about their size and influence not being reflected in polling. Just like photos of the less than 2 dozen people who showed up for their big DC convention could be explained by the bias of camera lenses to accurately capture the human form. But the math, that's still sound. Posted by: Kilo at October 15, 2008 04:20 AM (uVNS1) 82
On #74
I'm not a defeatist in this current election, but I agree with bart's sentiment for the post-election - and for me that is regardless of who wins. Conservatives have to wake the f- up and go back to read their Cold War history. At the end of the Cold War, we gave up fighting to define America's place in the world and what America means to even its own people. We turned over higher education, teachers unions, the media, and more by default to the ideological influence of the losing side... That is how we got here. Just as the PUMAs need to fight to retake their party. Conservatives have to get organized and funded to fight back in all these areas that are now almost controlling discourse in this land. Blogs and talk radio isn't enough. For example, how bleeping hard is it set up a production company that will produce a conservative version of West Wing and get it promoted on some cable outlet or in syndication? Why can't pressure groups fight to get ideological parity on college campus and teachers unions and news rooms like minority pressure groups do? Posted by: usinkorea at October 15, 2008 05:13 AM (HJux8) 83
I suck
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troll
Posted by: Fuck you Ace - I love free speech at October 15, 2008 06:23 AM (8v2uA) 86
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Posted by: Fuck you Ace - I love free speech at October 15, 2008 06:26 AM (8v2uA) 87
Did someone put out a call for skillz & balls? My skillz & balls radar watch just beeped. And then skillz & ballsphone started ringing off the hook.
Posted by: rdbrewer at October 15, 2008 06:51 AM (CrSOk) 88
#82 usinkorea wrote, "For example, how bleeping hard is it set up a production company that will produce a conservative version of West Wing and get it promoted on some cable outlet or in syndication?" It's impossible. Look at what happened to Rush Limbaugh's TV show in the early 1990s. usinkorea finished, "Why can't pressure groups fight to get ideological parity on college campus and teachers unions and news rooms like minority pressure groups do?" Because the media, courts, teachers unions, faculty, and law enforcement will obstruct it every step of the way, then ignore any judgments against them. Posted by: Looking Glass at October 15, 2008 07:05 AM (7qIIr) 89
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So....Allahpundit should change his name to Eeyorepundit?
Yeah he should, and his cousin too, Eeyore Malkin. Her constant "We're Screwed '08" Tourettes-like uttering in everything she posts lately is really getting terribly tiresome. Posted by: GrayLoess at October 15, 2008 07:10 AM (eifYH) 90
I hear someone say that people who "want" what others have without working for it are the majority of who are voting for obama (his name does not deserve to be capitalized). While the rest of us have been working, these lowlifes were at home increasing their numbers. In any case, there are others whose main interest is only to get back at Bush and the Republicans and then other whose only concern is that abortion is kept legal to the extreme. I have a relative who is voting for the big zero and the agrugment is that he will be good for the economy. "He'll go after the rich". Now this person has a beautiful new home in the country on 4 arces, a Mercedes Benz car (among others) and etc. SO, I told her.....quess what "YOU ARE PART OF THE RICH by obama and his tribe's opinion. She thinks they are only going after the "real rich"....but it is people who think like this that we will all have to suffer. McCain is not the best candidate..but compare to obama....just about anyone would be better.....and safer. God please be with us in this election.
Posted by: mag at October 15, 2008 07:29 AM (uBflb) 91
Thank you for your kind words and warm welcome. We may not all agree about the issues, but I believe we are all sincere about our love for this country and the freedoms upon which it was founded. We're probably not all that different. Centrists don't want to ban guns or churches, and I think we all agree that we despise the socialist/communist elites who are trying to take over our country. So let's unite for a common purpose, to drive the extreme lefties back under the rocks whence they came. I would ask one thing, however, after reading many comments that Hillary would not have been your first choices, but she's a hell of a lot better than Obama: Part of the reason we got Obama shoved down our throats is because of right-wing crossover voting to, "...defeat Hillary in the primaries so we don't have to run against her in the general election..." The "Democrat for a Day" effort gave Obama as many as seven percentage points in some states. I guess this is the classic, "...be careful what you wish for...". So I'm asking that, once we defeat the socialists and get back to the business of governing in this country, please stay away from our primaries, and we'll stay away from yours. Let's close the primaries and eliminate the caucuses so that party nominees are chosen by the parties themselves. The only day that I want to be a "Republican for a Day" is November 4, 2008. Once we can safely say, "President McCain", I'm going to rejoin the Democrats and help remove the socialist cancer that is spreading throughout the party. Posted by: VAPUMA at October 15, 2008 07:43 AM (Qi2xZ) 92
No offense, VAPUMA, but Rush's Operation Chaos gave Hillary way more primary votes than mischiefmakers the other way gave Barry.
Posted by: someone at October 15, 2008 07:50 AM (2z2WN) 93
At the end of the Cold War, we gave up fighting to define America's
place in the world and what America means to even its own people. We
turned over higher education, teachers unions, the media, and more by
default to the ideological influence of the losing side...
This happened long before the end of the cold war. All those hippies who were yelling "baby killer" at Viet Nam vets went into education and media in the 70s. Pick up any academic journal (humanities or social sciences) from the early 80s, and you'll see hatred of America in full flower. Posted by: Farmer Joe at October 15, 2008 07:57 AM (nYv/9) 94
someone, there is no evidence of that, but there are analyses that show that Republican crossovers gave Obama seven percentage points in VA and actually made the difference in Missouri giving Obama a victory in that state. The VA and MO primaries happened before Operation Chaos. One Obama operative was caught red-handed in NV handing out "Democrat for a Day" leaflets. There were organized efforts in VA, TX, NV and MO that I know of, and probably a few more. By the time Operation Chaos began, Obama had so much momentum that the plan was to keep Hillary alive. It would not have been necessary without "Democrat for a Day".
Posted by: VAPUMA at October 15, 2008 08:03 AM (Qi2xZ) 95
Schedule for the "Stop Obama" Tour.
In Chicago, October 21.
Posted by: ahem at October 15, 2008 08:11 AM (wxwpz) 96
Farmer Joe, it goes back even further than the Vietnam War. A lot of communists were driven out of industrial unions in the 1950's during the "Red scare". A lot of them ended up teaching at colleges and universities. I even met one who had been driven out of an industrial union and blacklisted by my father, of all people. I got blindsided by the whole thing when some fool friend of mine dragged me over to meet her professor who knew my father. I had no idea of the history at the time, and the professor was none to happy to meet me. I didn't know why this man was so chilly to me until I went home and told my dad about it. Once my dad explained that this guy was a communist and that the communists went into hiding at the colleges and universities, I realized what had happened. I think that, once they were blacklisted, colleges and universities were the only place they could find jobs. Or, maybe it really was part of a larger plan.
Posted by: VAPUMA at October 15, 2008 08:15 AM (Qi2xZ) 97
If you think the media’s ever going to tell any truth that’s inconvenient for their chosen One, then you’re just stupid.
Gee, the Democraps are getting a dose of their own media medicine. While I applaud their fight against the Vomit’ I find this article to be ironic. Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2008 08:17 AM (b1ysY) 98
Time is short. We need less talk and more action. This movement probably needs its own website. (I love AOSHQ, but some of the more tentative PUMAs might be put off by the things that us conservatives enjoy -- so let's keep the objective in mind here.) The PUMAs need to tell all their friends and drive traffic to it. Make the case! Spell it out! Convince the PUMAs! Network this like crazy. Get this thing on Facebook, on whatever, however we can use to build momentum. Say it plain and put it up on teh YouTubes. I want people to contemplate this image: not just Obama as Commander-in-Chief, but a cadre of people who agree with Obama in control of the national security apparatus of the United States of America. In control of the nation's intelligence services and law enforcement agencies. A cowed and obedient Congress led by leftists rubber stamping his plans for hope and change. Posted by: Brewdog at October 15, 2008 08:31 AM (jg+Fr) 99
First, VAPUMA, I'm one conservative who didn't agree with Rush's call to arms in that case.
To the others responding to my comments on post-Cold War engagement: The point is --- before the end of the Cold War, the right was deeply engaged with those elements you mention on campus and in the news media and entertainment. The debate was heated and ongoing throughout - including the 1980s. I'm not saying there was 50/50 parity in the news media, in Hollywood, or on campus in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. I am saying that the national discourse, even in those places, was not so lopsided in favor of the more radical interpretation of the US and American society as it became after the end of the Cold War. And there is no good reason it can't be changed fairly quickly, historically speaking, if the right got back in the game. It will take funding and organization - (something George Soros understands)- I'm sure there are quality producers and hot young directors and young actors and actresses who'd love to get a break in the business by working for some quality pro-US, conservative values friendly drama or sitcom or some feature length film. The question is funding. I'm sure there are loads and loads of intelligent, conservative college and graduate school students who would love to get a boat load of funding for their studies if they'll sign a contract to become a college prof for X number of years or teach in primary or secondary schools. With funding, pressure groups can fight the textbook wars. They can fight for ideological diversity on campus and in newsrooms. Sure, they'll be opposed, but that's the bloody point!! Right now, the far leftists aren't being in those places... You can get enough teachers to form an alternative union or via for power in the established teachers unions. It takes money and organization and a will to do it. That will was there in significant enough amounts pre-end of the Cold War. We got lazy after state sponsored global communism fell. Posted by: usinkorea at October 15, 2008 08:45 AM (ZC0GS) 100
We got lazy after state sponsored global communism fell.
I certainly won't argue with that. Many of us foolishly thought that with the fall of the Soviet Union and others that communism had been thoroughly defeated and discredited. Boy were we wrong. Posted by: Farmer Joe at October 15, 2008 09:19 AM (n29BA) 101
I'm going to his rally to scream about how Bush is a traitor, McCain is a war criminal, Palin is a cunt, and they should all be killed. I'll do this while standing as close to a camera as I can. How would we be able to identify you from the rest of the crowd though? Posted by: buzzion at October 15, 2008 09:54 AM (Lrsi6) 102
I certainly won't argue with that. Many of us foolishly thought that with the fall of the Soviet Union and others that communism had been thoroughly defeated and discredited. Boy were we wrong. If Obama wins, we might be paying for that mistake for a generation. Posted by: Brewdog at October 15, 2008 09:54 AM (jg+Fr) 103
thanks for the welcome. I think quite a few of we PUMAS have been lurking as we seek to out COUNTRY FIRST :0)
I am trying to make sure people understand the outrageous thuggery perpetrated during our primaries so they know what to expect Nov 4th, we saw serious voter suppression of Clinton Dems, particularly aimed against the elderly by Team Obummer.... We have Clinton Dems headed to PA from NYC, to OH, in FL and here in Southwest Region we are travelling to NM and CO to get the word out to DEMS to vote MAC/PALIN 08. Posted by: ginaswo at October 15, 2008 09:57 AM (HReG6) 104
The MSM IS mostly superficial turgidity with occasional rare moments of clarity. Those moments are called REALITY, or facts, if you will, and we all know reality has a liberal bias. And the threat to our free speech, civil liberties, the right of habeas corpus? The right not to be tortured? That was the Patriot Act and its successors. The way you folks turn up into down, right into wrong is a cognitive miracle. Posted by: mmm...lemonheads at October 15, 2008 09:57 AM (M9dRY) 105
One question I would like someone to ask him on camera:
What will be your foreign policy in Kenya, and how much will it cost the taxpayers of America? Posted by: Mongerel at October 15, 2008 10:11 AM (YqWfw) 106
The way you folks turn up into down, right into wrong is a cognitive miracle.
Yeah, keep pretending with the "war crimes" fantasy. Meanwhile, we have people who want socialism by any and all means, and you're okay with that because it's the Truth to you. Pol pot would be proud. Posted by: Anonymous at October 15, 2008 10:19 AM (4yauu) 107
Obama drove the *republicans vote democrat for a day* campaign. He was sending out mailers to Republicans, in states that allowed cross over primary voting, to vote for him in the Primary - in order to defeat Hillary. And as a PUMA, I just wanted to say that I have had my eyes opened this year, wrt hypocrisy, and media bias. I have always considered myself a moderate, falling to the left because of social issues. But, I support certain policies in both parties. I have never been comfortable feeling aligned with the far left whack jobs (like the kinds that Obama is friends with) and I have never identified with the christian conservatives and right wing whack jobs either. I have realized now, that I have been living in a liberal media filtered world, and in that regard, have seen so many errors of *our ways*. To have to chose between two major parties, both that have their extreme whackos, is not easy. And I do take offense when I hear insults hurled from the right, to the left, and now, I take offense at the insults from the left. I said on another blog - I feel we still have two parties in America. But, no longer are they Repubs vs. Dems. I see the two parties more of those who see America as a cup half full, and those who see it half empty. (or worse). I have, while finding myself defending Palin, and her pro-life stance, understand why she believes that it is wrong. It is a fundamental belief of hers. And you can't fault someone who thinks it is wrong. The liberal women attacking Palin are sickening. I am pro-choice, but can understand someones beliefs. Just as I wish that others would understand some of the more liberal beliefs. I strongly believe that gay people are born that way, and should be treated as equal human beings. And I hate to see the bigotry they suffer. We need to quit hating on each other for our fundamental beliefs, but we can still argue over who we prefer, wrt policy! Taxes, healthcare, terrorism, etc. But, I think religion should be out of all govt. decisions! Frankly I am sick and tired of all the partisanship. And I am tired of the hate and the sexism and bigotry. (and wrt Hillary, I still support Hillary, but am upset that she is stumping for him. I supported her because I shared her policies. She seems tough, and I trusted her to handle the war, and the war on terrorism in the right way. And I truly believed that she wanted to provide healthcare for all americans, not because she *wants them to get a piece of the pie* like Obama, but because she truly cared.) Sorry about the long post. I didn't intend to write a book. Nobama! Posted by: sarainitaly at October 15, 2008 10:24 AM (A6/e/) 108
I considered myself a typical southern democrat until early college - I was conservative on foreign policy and thought I was more inline with dem domestic policy. But it became obvious to me that the Democratic party was becoming the party of narrow social interests. Now, it is dominated by them and they have become more and more narrow over the years.
Posted by: usinkorea at October 15, 2008 10:36 AM (ZC0GS) 109
#56 Germany didn't have 200 years of democracy under its belt They still don't.
VAPUMA, I too think the crossover effort largely benefitted Hillary, but I take your overall point, that Republicans should vote in GOP primaries, and Democrats in Dem primaries. I hope the respective parties have had enough of the meddling on both sides and work to change the rules/laws in respective open primary state (mine being one of those). Posted by: Dave in Texas at October 15, 2008 10:42 AM (eiOZw) 110
RE: sarainitaly [October 15, 2008 10:24 AM (A6/e/)],
I agree with a considerable portion of what you wrote, and were you to read my past posts, you'd think I was a bitter, gun-clinging bible-hugger to the right of Pat Buchanan. Far from it. I'd define myself as generally libertarian-conservative. There are issues with which I disagree with Palin, for example, that are fundamental in nature, yet I support her over McCain, Biden, Obama, and quite a few other candidates who shook out during the primaries. I have a few points of agreement with Hillary though, obviously, she wouldn't be my first choice. The point is that everyone labels themselves how they think they are and that pigeonholing political pedigree is a tenuous exercise. Issues bleed in and out of our personal opinions with all sorts of overlap. I understand PUMA angst and am glad to see that they won't be used this time around. Welcome to "our" party. Now let's keep the Marxist out of the White House and then purge the propagandists infiltrating, if not actually composing, our media. You actually have allies on the Right who you would have considered sworn enemies had you just resigned yourself to accepting the labels doled out by those who create the public message. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 15, 2008 11:21 AM (sI5Ho) 111
If Obama wins, we might be paying for that mistake for a generation.
I pray that's not the case, but I fear that it is. Posted by: Farmer Joe at October 15, 2008 11:39 AM (n29BA) 112
Cowboy-up, Farmer Joe. We gonna have us a hootinanny! Mav has tricks up his sleeve, and the polls are utterly unreliable. It'll be a smackdown on election day. Posted by: rdbrewer at October 15, 2008 11:59 AM (CrSOk) 113
This will perk-up your spirits, Farmer Joe. Mav, doing some of that pilot shit.
Posted by: rdbrewer at October 15, 2008 12:19 PM (CrSOk) 114
Its nice to be on the same side. I have been a Democrat all my life but I cannot condone what my former party has done to Hillary or to Sarah Palin. I have been volunteering for McCain and as you said we can argue later -- but for now we are in agreement its Country before Party. Saying that -- I have to say that I love John and Sarah and I a proud to vote for this ticket. Posted by: s. hall at October 15, 2008 01:04 PM (XWJh5) 115
This is not the first time the Democratic Party has gone over a cliff with a Liberal Candidate. In 1972 One State McGovern was the Liberal's choice. The pot smoking hippies who disrobed with glee wore t-shirts with brilliant statements such as Down With The Universe and the Silent Majority voted for Nixon in a landslide. Today's Zogby Poll shows that Obama is leading McCain by 3.80% -- this is dead heat. Zogby says that Obama cannot close the deal because he has not been able to get over 50% of the votes. The other polls are wildly oversampling Democrats in an effort to make Obama appear to be winning. Hannity says trust Zogby so I do.
Posted by: s. hall at October 15, 2008 01:14 PM (XWJh5) 116
Bart I saw a poll of Hillary Democrats a week ago and what it showed was that there has been no change in the numbers since June. 42% of Hillary Dems will not vote for Obama. I'm not sure how many will vote for McCain but I believe the numbers are growing everyday. Acorn and Obama's attachment is making people furious -- the man is running for the biggest job in the World why does he have to bother registering dead people? You won't see too many polls about PUMA or Hillary Dems because this is terrifying to Obama. Dems don't win even if their entire party is unified. The DNC and Obama made a huge miscalculation saying that they could replace the base of the party with youth, black voters, and the creative class. ITS NOT WORKING. James Carville said something in 92 which I will never forget. The candidate who is winning always says We are the underdogs in this race. The Candidate who is losing says We are going to win in a landslide.
Posted by: s. hall at October 15, 2008 01:37 PM (XWJh5) 117
Ooooh, s. hall, I'm going to steal that Carville quote!
Posted by: rdbrewer at October 15, 2008 01:51 PM (CrSOk) 118
Obama keeps running in NC his Healthcare ads, which lie. My guess is its all about the PUMA's too, NC probably has alot of them. Perdue is favorite for Gov. race initially, simply because 52% of NC voters are women I beleive. Of course there are a ton of blacks and Yankee transplants now too. they need the blue collar and Hillary Dems though or they don't break 50% I think.
Posted by: jp at October 15, 2008 02:16 PM (DFDtC) 119
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