1 All these revelations are so very damning and the O still goes on ...

2 Hell, this is the seminal point of the Ayers relationship:  Ayers, an unrepentant, avowed anti-capitalist, anti-American perpetrator of murderous violence, used Annenberg to put his views and philosophy in the heads of schoolkids.  And Obama helped him do it.

He needs to be asked:  Will this form the kind of education his administration will pursue?

3 Too many people can't be bothered to give a shit, and McCain is foremost among them.

4 Why won't McCain address anything having to do with this?

5 Dig it! Carruthers’s vision of the superior and peaceful Kemetic philosophy of Ptahhotep triumphing over Greco-Euro-American-white culture obviously parallels Jeffries’ opposition between ice people and sun people. Wild!

6 This is such great material for McCain, but he is afraid to be labeled a racist. Wake up, the left already is.

7 "Many of these people espoused philosophies that ended up in sermons given by Jeremiah Wright. So Obama was exposed to those beliefs in church and at his work with the Annenberg Challenge, which adds a wonderful level of nuance to his claims of ignorance regarding Wright's true beliefs."

And McCain, God bless him for his service in Vietnam, is being a weak puss and won't bring it up. What a knob.

Michelle Malkin's Critic and Fan,
Alternately,
This Time in Full Agreement,

Christoph

8 So am I to understand that there will be no October surprise for us? The surprise is that we are now a the United Socialist States of America?

9 I can blame McCain to a point but this falls on the shoulders of the MSM.

10 "Why won't McCain address anything having to do with this?"

Because on one hand there's the future of the country, and on the other hand there's the alleged reputation of McCain being a "fair"-minded guy to Democrats across the aisle, and to McCain's mind and feelings, they're about equal in importance. That's what you get for nominating a centrist who was considered as a running mate for John Kerry.

Liberal feelings and not simply hard-headed reality.

11 Or - How to Keep the American Dream out of the hands of minority children - no to Math and Science or anything that enables clear thinking.

12 Math and Science is racist don't you know. It was created by dead white men to keep us down.

13 OMG, we have Cristoph the Canadian pussy impugning the courage and manhood of John McCain.

And you morons stampeding along to try to one up the guy.

14

Jeffries sees whites as oppressive and violent “ice people,

Look, common ground! We're not the only ones who know the truth about the Scandis.

 

15 Like I said who is the biggest bad guy here ... MSM and education.

16 6 This is such great material for McCain, but he is afraid to be labeled a racist. Wake up, the left already is.

Because McCain knows he doesn't have to read this & PANTS SHITTERS UNITE & Stop shitting yourselfhttp://tinyurl.com/4b9zvc

17 "OMG, we have Cristoph the Canadian pussy impugning the courage and manhood of John McCain."

funky chicken, you're being a moron.

I expressly acknowledged his service in Vietnam where he showed enormous physical and spiritual courage.

There are different kinds of courage, however. There's the man who's an retired boxer, but can't sell life insurance because he's shy talking to people he doesn't know, especially rich people, for one example.

Etc. and etc.

If your point is that McCain's courage in Vietnam means he's necessarily courageous in each and every instance for the remainder of his life, well, that's just retarded.

18 The Lord tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked

19 We actually wanted to hire Bubba Ho-Tep,but he was busy filming

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0281686/

20

The latest word, reported on NRO, is that McCain still doesn't want to bring Wright up.

If he won't, Kurtz's piece is an exercise in futility.

For him.  And for us.

Why the eff should WE swim the snot river and climb the shit mountain for a candidate who won't go after his opponent on completely legitimate, game-changing issues?

Juan Williams of NPR and Fox thinks Wright is fair game.  He keeps shaking his head in bewilderment.  

I keep shaking mine in disgust.

A visual metaphor for you:

Jay Nordlinger at NOR reports an Iraq visual emblematic of our situation:

"General Salazar, an American, was talking about Iraq then and Iraq now — Iraq a few years ago and Iraq today. A photo typified then: A vehicle was stuck (or kaput), and an American was pushing from behind, “putting his whole a** into it,” as Salazar said. And an Iraqi was walking alongside, with one hand resting on the steering wheel (or door — I forget) and the other hand holding a cigarette. Now it is the exact opposite: with the Iraqis buckling down and the coalition more in a supportive role."

Face it:  with McCain, we're stuck in the first situation, with people like Kimberly putting their 'whole a**es' into pushing for a feckless candidate who won't help himself.  

McCain should be leading, and we should be in a supportive role; we shouldn't have to drag him across the finish line.

 Unless he does something immediately that's the "exact opposite" of his current prissy hands-off campiagn style,  he's sunk his own ship. 

 

21 Not to sound like a truther....but the South Shore area Stanley is talking about is the area that gay choir director from Trinity was murdered. 69th & Oglesby. Larry Johnson said he was involved with The One. O.K. I know, I know... stay off "No Quarter".

22 So Obama was exposed to those beliefs in church and at his work with the Annenberg Challenge, which adds a wonderful level of nuance to his claims of ignorance regarding Wright's true beliefs.

(fingers in ears) lalalalalala I can't hear you....

23 Kurtz goes into great detail about the beliefs of people who received Annenberg funding.

He discussed this on that WGN talk show that the Obamabots tried to call-bomb. Basically, if you were an educational group espousing some lefty crap, you got Annenberg money, but if you just wanted to help kids learn to read or do well at math, you were told to go pound sand.

24

Lord knows I'm one to beat a joke into the ground until it's stone cold dead, but aren't you getting tired of the whole "pant-shitting" think PaRep?

Ok, not really fair.  Of course you aren't.  How about this instead, who exactly do you want to persuade to your way of thinking and can you find a way that might actually get someone to check out your link?

25

I think a fair question to set up a series of hard ball questions would be why Mr. Obama did you accept the criticism that you had no executive experience when in fact you were the head executive of a multi million dollar project for a number of years? 

 

26 Rasmussen

Rasmussen conducted polls in 11 states just before the 2004 election. Of those 11 polls, in 3 state polls the published support for Bush was off by 3 points or more, as many as 5 points wrong. In 0 states Bush’s support was over-estimated, in all 11 states his support was under-estimated. In 3 state polls the published support for Kerry was off by 3 points or more, as many as 5 points wrong. In 1 state Kerry’s support was over-estimated, in 8 states his support was under-estimated. The margin between the candidates was off from actual election results by 3 points or more 3 times, off by 5 points or more in 2 states.

Rasmussen conducted polls in 31 states during the first two weeks of October 2004. of those 31 polls, in 19 states support for Bush was off by 3 points or more, as many as 10 points wrong. In 2 states Bush’s support was over-estimated, in 29 states his support was under-estimated, In 13 state polls the published support for Kerry was off by 3 points or more, as many as 10 points wrong. In 5 states Kerry’s support was over-estimated, in 23 states his support was under-estimated. The margin between the candidates was off from actual election results by 3 points or more 12 times, off by 5 points or more in 9 states.


Mason-Dixon

Mason-Dixon conducted polls in 21 states just before the 2004 election. Of those 21 polls, in 11 state polls the published support for Bush was off by 3 points or more, as many as 7 points wrong. In 0 states Bush’s support was over-estimated, in all 21 states his support was under-estimated. In 14 state polls the published support for Kerry was off by 3 points or more, as many as 6 points wrong. In 1 state Kerry’s support was over-estimated, in 20 states his support was under-estimated. The margin between the candidates was off from actual election results by 3 points or more 6 times, off by 5 points or more in 2 states.

Mason-Dixon conducted polls in 19 states during the first two weeks of October 2004. of those 19 polls, in 11 states support for Bush was off by 3 points or more, as many as 7 points wrong. In 1 state Bush’s support was over-estimated, in 18 states his support was under-estimated,

http://stolenthunder.blogspot.com/

scroll down; no linky button on my mac

27 Good Lord.

Afrocentrism, black separatism, America is racist and oppressive . . .

If Obama's elected, things are going to get UGLY.

But at least we will have finally elected a black president, so we can feel good about that.

And McCain's refusing to bring any of this up?  So he can feel good about that.

We're doomed.

28 What is good about this is that new revelations can put Wright back into the discussion for McCain after ruling him out earlier.

It put Obama's truthfulness back on the table and McCain can use it without being hypocritical of his previous stance.

29 25
I think a fair question to set up a series of hard ball questions would be why Mr. Obama did you accept the criticism that you had no executive experience when in fact you were the head executive of a multi million dollar project for a number of years?



Posted by: polynikes at October 14, 2008 11:29 AM (m2CN7)

! ow. but really, how many people are made CEO of an operation with a 150 million dollar budget?

30

Lord knows I'm one to beat a joke into the ground until it's stone cold dead, but aren't you getting tired of the whole "pant-shitting" think PaRep?

Ok, not really fair.  Of course you aren't.  How about this instead, who exactly do you want to persuade to your way of thinking and can you find a way that might actually get someone to check out your link?

No because if you're a Pants Shitter you don't want to know the truth, You want to believe the Worst, & then when McCain wins you'll be jumping up & down & saying I knew we had them all the time

31 Rasmussen conducted polls in 11 states just before the 2004 election. Of those 11 polls, in 3 state polls the published support for Bush was off by 3 points or more, as many as 5 points wrong. In 0 states Bush’s support was over-estimated, in all 11 states his support was under-estimated. In 3 state polls the published support for Kerry was off by 3 points or more, as many as 5 points wrong. In 1 state Kerry’s support was over-estimated, in 8 states his support was under-estimated. The margin between the candidates was off from actual election results by 3 points or more 3 times, off by 5 points or more in 2 states.

Rasmussen conducted polls in 31 states during the first two weeks of October 2004. of those 31 polls, in 19 states support for Bush was off by 3 points or more, as many as 10 points wrong. In 2 states Bush’s support was over-estimated, in 29 states his support was under-estimated, In 13 state polls the published support for Kerry was off by 3 points or more, as many as 10 points wrong. In 5 states Kerry’s support was over-estimated, in 23 states his support was under-estimated. The margin between the candidates was off from actual election results by 3 points or more 12 times, off by 5 points or more in 9 states.


Mason-Dixon

Mason-Dixon conducted polls in 21 states just before the 2004 election. Of those 21 polls, in 11 state polls the published support for Bush was off by 3 points or more, as many as 7 points wrong. In 0 states Bush’s support was over-estimated, in all 21 states his support was under-estimated. In 14 state polls the published support for Kerry was off by 3 points or more, as many as 6 points wrong. In 1 state Kerry’s support was over-estimated, in 20 states his support was under-estimated. The margin between the candidates was off from actual election results by 3 points or more 6 times, off by 5 points or more in 2 states.

Mason-Dixon conducted polls in 19 states during the first two weeks of October 2004. of those 19 polls, in 11 states support for Bush was off by 3 points or more, as many as 7 points wrong. In 1 state Bush’s support was over-estimated, in 18 states his support was under-estimated,

http://tinyurl.com/42cu32

32 You guys think NRO, with KJ Lopez's Peggy Noonan boosterism, Brookhiser's Palin bashing, Parker's Palin bashing, Lowry's elitist wimpiness, Buckley's treachery,

You really think NRO has the inside track with the McCain campaign? You're basing today's round of "knife my own candidate" on gossip from NRO?

33 What is good about this is that new revelations can put Wright back into the discussion for McCain after ruling him out earlier.

It put Obama's truthfulness back on the table and McCain can use it without being hypocritical of his previous stance.

Posted by: TomV at October 14, 2008 11:35 AM (/PwQS)

That occurred to me before I posted my comments, but it seemed like such an unlikely outcome in McCain's case I chose not to bring it up. I hope you're right and I'm wrong.

34

Ah, ok.  You'll just post it in a comment then.

That's a strategy.

35 Funky I was thinking the same thing about NRO.

If I recall correctly the corner seemed to have a lot more inside campaign information in '04 than now.

36 McCain won't bring it up, we know that. But will he let Palin bring it up?

37

Ah, ok.  You'll just post it in a comment then.

That's a strategy.

You're a PUTZ !!!!!!!!!!

38

32You guys think NRO, with KJ Lopez's Peggy Noonan boosterism, Brookhiser's Palin bashing, Parker's Palin bashing, Lowry's elitist wimpiness, Buckley's treachery,

You really think NRO has the inside track with the McCain campaign? You're basing today's round of "knife my own candidate" on gossip from NRO?

There may be an argument in there, but I'm damned if I can find it. 

Has McCain gone after Wright?  No he hasn't.  Is there any sign he will?  No there's not.

q.e.d.

39

I dunno know if Obama is going to be president or not, but after the campaign if elected, the media will let it's guard down, and this stuff is going to penetrate the American consciousness.

"Obama did what? He believes what?"

We may quite possibly have an America with buyer's remorse before an Inaguration can even take place.

In fact, that should be our Plan B if we lose three weeks from now. I believe that Pence, Cantor, and a few others can engineer a 1994 based on that.

40 So this guy sat in a church headed by a racist, hatemonger, anti-American, anti-Semitic preacher for 20 years. This experience so moved him that the guy was termed his spiritual adviser. Not only that, but he handed over a large chunk of $100 million to the same radical BLT types so they could brainwash children into hating whitey...and McCain won't touch it?

41

This is such great material for McCain, but he is afraid to be labeled a racist. Wake up, the left already is.

See, that really gets me.  We all know that the real racists in this country are the Dems, who use it to get what they want.  All the time.  The rest of us....and I'm speaking from nearly every single person I know...we are flat out sick and tired of this racist label crap.  It's to the point where it means nothing anymore.  It has no punch, no effect, does not evoke empathy, sympathy or otherwise.  It's an eye-roller.  Why does McCain think speaking the truth is racist??  For crissakes....  He's not getting more than 3-5% of the black vote anyway, so what does it matter? 

42

(Shambling slowly, arms outstretched)

Ptah . . ho . . . tep . . .

Ptah . . . ho . . . tep . . .

43 Wait, WTF? Christoph, do you live in the U.S.? If not, why are you on here all the time?

44 No life liberal ??????????????

45 I bet Obama likes crushed ice.

46 Is it too soon to start printing the "Impeach Obama" bumper stickers?

47 35 Funky I was thinking the same thing about NRO.

If I recall correctly the corner seemed to have a lot more inside campaign information in '04 than now.
Posted by: Long Island at October 14, 2008 11:48 AM (Cjir0)

And still they all soiled themselves over false exit polling data, and were convinced that John Kerry had won.

But these people are supposed to be our courageous leaders and fierce defenders of conservatism?

NRO says John McCain's a coward....and we are supposed to all bow down to their wisdom.

And based on their word, you McCain bashers can see the future too? That's the biggest joke of all--you all rush on here and proclaim that John McCain will never discuss where all this CAC money went.

You might consider a job with one of those call a psychic 900 number companies if you're so convinced of your mystical powers and all.

48 As I said, funky chicken, you're being a moron and retarded to boot.

49

The rest of us....and I'm speaking from nearly every single person I know...we are flat out sick and tired of this racist label crap.  It's to the point where it means nothing anymore.  It has no punch, no effect, does not evoke empathy, sympathy or otherwise.  It's an eye-roller. 

If the rest of the country isn't there yet, it will soon under an Obama presidency. I feel for a regular black guy four years from now who actually is discriminated against, because the public just won't care at that point. 

I don't know if it will be some dramatic "Do you have no decency" moment, or just one straw on the camel's back too many, but if it can arrive sometime in the first two years of his potential administration, when that inflection point does hit, the dam will burst, and the American public will feel horribly taken advantage of.

Ironically enough, by cynically using race as it has, the Obama campaign may actually be using up all his political capital on the campaign instead of his presidency.  

 

50 Wait, WTF? Christoph, do you live in the U.S.? If not, why are you on here all the time?

Because he's been banned from most other websites.

51 I've been banned from one other website, dave.

52 Christoph, I'm not the one who came in here claiming to know what the McCain campaign would say for the next 20+ days. That would be moronic and idiotic.

oh dear. That's what you did, isn't it?

sorry if I hurt your feelings with the Candian pussy thing.

53 "Christoph, I'm not the one who came in here claiming to know what the McCain campaign would say for the next 20+ days. That would be moronic and idiotic."

McCain's the one who said he won't talk about Wright. You ARE being an idiot.

funky, chill out, skirt.

54 No wonder Christoph is such a fan of turd burgling. I think he's got issues with women.

55 Christoph, do you live here? If not, why do you care so much about our election?

56 Alas, I am off for the day. Errands and gym time

57 "Christoph, do you live here? If not, why do you care so much about our election?"

POTL, why do your news agencies cover elections in Spain? How come people here care about what happens in Afghanistan or Pakistan or Russia?

Answer those two questions correctly and you'll have your answer.

58 Christoph, obviously world news is important. Hanging out everyday in a foreign political blog, talking about that country's election is kinda odd.

59 "why do you care so much about our election [and country]?"

Anyway, here's a hint. And here's another. [Consider also the relative size of our related budget compared to our geographic size, and which nation(s) are the only ones to border with us, and which are the only one(s) to have ever invaded us.]. And here is another.

"I think he's got issues with women."

I'm sure my girlfriend and the lovely woman I began a friendship with recently would have other opinions, but each to their own. I'll correct your sentence so it's accurate:

"I think he's got issues with stupid women people."

60 "Christoph, obviously world news is important."

You didn't answer the questions correctly.

61

It's a parasitic relationship, POTL. Like a good virus, Christoph is keenly interested in the health of the host.

He's also just sentient enough to appreciate that his own nation is inconsequential and unworthy of serious examination, which adds to the disturbing fixation. It seems to be a uniquely Canadian affliction.

62 You didn't answer the questions correctly.


Who is Topher the Turd Burglar Alex?


Those are fine points, but- you can't vote here or do anything about our election. Reading news and caring is one thing...

63 The "O" no longer has monopoly of stuffing/filler of his "O"--

regardless that The "O" supporters fill him with devOtion,

his opponents have proven the thorough cOrruption of  "that One".

GO KURTZ!!

McCain, follow Kurtz if you dare to win.

So long as the target is Obvious, the facts stick in cOntextual place.

CHARGE!

64 "He's also just sentient enough to appreciate that his own nation is inconsequential and unworthy of serious examination, which adds to the disturbing fixation. It seems to be a uniquely Canadian affliction."

You see, railwriter, you are the jackass. To the degree American tourists get beaten up at 3 a.m. after the bars let out in Canadian logging towns, you're the reason.

Canada is a very important country to the United States for various purposes. Your largest trading partner, ally in Afghanistan, partner in NATO, surveillance and security of the north and the coast including satelite surveillance, extensive family ties, and more.

It never occurs to me to insult America gratuitously although I'll criticize it on occasion. You are an example of the dark side to what Rush Limbaugh terms "American exceptionalism."

To the degree your Declaration of Independence, Constitution (despite your country's troubled racial history of slavery, which mine avoided), and traditions are of freedom and justice, Rush is exactly right. These ideas make America great as no less that John McCain noted. But the size of your population and relatively greater power while important does not make you great.

Indeed I voted in Canada's election this morning where we seem likely to return a sensible Conservative government to power. Your country seems hell bent on knowingly putting a radical liberal-marxist with ties to domestic Pentagon-bombing terrorists in charge. The equivalent in Canada would have been our FLQ terrorists in the 1970s and there's no way a close associate of former FLQ kidnappers could be Canada's Prime Minister.

But Barack Obama can be your President.

65 On another thread Christoph someone mentioned your attack on Christians and their belief in Jesus.  They said this is evidence that you are not too bright.  Please don't let them get away with this. Please respond with your ususal wit and intellectual superiority. Don't forget to mention to ace that you were forced to respond by these guys.

66 Why the bashing and ad hominem of Christoph here? Does he have a point or not? Many on the Right in the States agree with him, and it isn't foolish to point out where McCain is making a mistake if it can be argued that he is making one.

Give the Canadian a break.

Also, some of us are biting our tongues to withhold some criticism of McCain down the stretch, but potentially catastrophic missteps cannot be ignored. If McCain doesn't go all in with the ACORN/Ayers/Wright/radicalism/education/economic collapse-bailout story, he can kiss the election goodbye. This has nothing to do with his previous sacrifice for the nation. It has everything to do with being a leader and, um, leading. One doesn't get to coast on that sacrifice for 40-years no matter how high - this is the Presidency we're talking about. Ignoring one of the very few narratives that can deflate the Obama balloon would be a monumental failure. Doing the "Everything is Awesome Dance" might well be redefined as the "Sticking Head in Sand Medley" if McCain doesn't explain the "right" narrative to an ignorant electorate needing to be led.

67 Amazing. The Obamabots scream about putting religion into schools because it's not "scientific", but then endorse and support people who teach that whites are evil "ice people", that Jews are responsible for the slave trade, and that established history, archaeology, and anthropology are just a "white supremacist conspiracy".

68 Christoph, imagine if I went to a Mexican forum and said "Hey, your guy is fucking up! Hey, I am concerned your country will fuck up our country! Let me tell you how to fix this."

Do you think the Mexicans would give a shit?

69 "I don't know if it will be some dramatic "Do you have no decency" moment, or just one straw on the camel's back too many, but if it can arrive sometime in the first two years of his potential administration, when that inflection point does hit, the dam will burst, and the American public will feel horribly taken advantage of."

The problem is that such a moment will never be allowed to happen.  Not for Republicans, anyway.

For one thing, I question whether any Republicans in power have the stones to make such a statement.  And if such a Republican did make such a statement, it would either be buried by the MSM or spun to make the Republican look like a . . wait for it . . . racist.

I'm not sure we can win.

70

“We may not be able to get our virginity back after the rape, but we do not have to marry the rapist....”

You also don't have to continue living in the rapist's house, especially when the doors are unlocked.

71 "Christoph, imagine if I went to a Mexican forum and said 'Hey, your guy is fucking up! Hey, I am concerned your country will fuck up our country! Let me tell you how to fix this.'

"Do you think the Mexicans would give a shit?"

I engage in discussions because I find it interesting, and more open minded people are able to be persuaded at times, and sometimes sharp people challenge factual or logical errors on my part and get me to adjust my views.

I don't plan on becoming an American, but I'll note Mark Steyn and David Frum were both Canadians before becoming U.S. citizens, and found American conservative politics fascinating, hence the path their lives took.

I also find American, Canadian, Australian, and other countries' politics fascinating and engage in discussions on these subjects when I have the time, which isn't always, but isn't rarely either.

I still work out, communicate with the girlfriend, make money, and the like. Is there anything worse about debating interesting subjects here (and on the Canadian blog where we're discussing our election) than, say, playing World of Warcraft?

72 "I thought you said you weren't going to bring up Reverend Wright!"

"Remember public financing?  I changed my mind."

73 They have the internet in Canada?  Or did America set up a shadow internet to give Canadians the illusion that they were on the internet?

74

to give Canadians the illusion

Nothing to see here, folks. Keep moving.

75 Well there's a reason Senator Obama (and the press) conspicuously avoids bringing up his only executive experience (this being one).

76 "The Obamabots scream about putting religion into schools because it's not 'scientific'..."

You mean not Constitutional?

The state shouldn't be "putting" religions into public schools. Allowing private students to practice and honour their own religions, certainly.

I'm genuinely curious whether you simply misphrased that, in which case no big deal, point taken, or whether you believe religion should be put into schools? Which religion? Whose interpretation? For what purpose?

77

I wholeheartedly endorse the sentiment that the pile-up on Christoph is unseemly, but I'm not inclined to let this

(despite your country's troubled racial history of slavery, which mine avoided),

go unchallenged.  You and I both know that your country had little choice in the matter, Christoph - last I checked, the Dominion was founded in 1867, a point at which slavery as an institution had been repudiated by most of the Western world, with the exception of Brazil.  (Granted, there remains the question of serfdom in Mother Russia and the predations of the Junkers upon the Prussian peasantry, but that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish.)  Before Confederation, the policy towards slavery north of the 49th Parallel was effectively set by HM Government, and British North America had bupkiss to say about it. 

Now, if you meant Canada was fortunate to avoid our country's "troubled racial history of slavery," I've got no quarrel with you.  I'll even join you in celebrating that and go you one better with Canada's role as a refuge for escapees from slavery.  But that little passive-aggressive dig, that gets to me like a Canadian Tyre Coupon wedged under my Kraft Dinner.

78

Where did the money go?

My guess is hookers and blow.

79 "You and I both know that your country had little choice in the matter, Christoph - last I checked, the Dominion was founded in 1867, a point at which slavery as an institution had been repudiated by most of the Western world."

I agree completely, largely under the impetus of the great British parliamentarian and humanitarian in the highest sense of the world, William Wilberforce, my hero. Like Americans Abraham Lincoln and Benjamin Franklin and for similiar reasons: They all understood during their lifetimes that all human beings are persons and should be treated as such.

Further a detailed analysis of Canada's history will show that while we bypassed slavery, we certainly didn't bypass all racial tensions and injustices.

"...that gets to me like a Canadian Tyre Coupon wedged under my Kraft Dinner."

Having been handed many of those Canadian Tire coupons in 5 and 10 cent denominations, and even given out a few as part of my job once upon a time, I wouldn't want you to carry that negative emotion with you all day.

Canada was indeed fortunate that through our British tradition, we didn't have slavery since it was abolished before our founding by our ancestors. It's unfortunate the United States was not able to end slavery through democratic processes and without a civil war.

That isn't a "passive aggressive" dig. It's a deeply unfortunate part of history. On that I'm sure we agree.

80 Actually, A. Pendragon, you may be one of those "sharp people" I referred to above:

"I engage in discussions because I find it interesting, and more open minded people are able to be persuaded at times, and sometimes sharp people challenge factual or logical errors on my part and get me to adjust my views."

I'm reading the Wikipedia article on slavery in Canada and I just learned this:

In 1793, the administration of Lieutenant Governor John Graves Simcoe passed the Against Slavery Act in Upper Canada that allowed for gradual abolition: slaves already in the province would remain enslaved until death, no new slaves could be brought into Upper Canada, and children born to female slaves would be freed at age 25.

This legal rule ensured the eventual end of slavery in Upper Canada, although as it diminished the sale value of slaves within the province it also resulted in slaves being sold to the United States. Some slaves in Upper Canada also ran away south to the free states, thus gaining their liberty.

By 1797, courts began to rule in favour of slaves who complained of poor treatment from their owners. These developments were resisted in Lower Canada until 1803, when Chief Justice William Osgoode ruled that slavery was not compatible with British law.

This historic judgement, while it did not abolish slavery, set free 300 slaves and resulted in the rapid decline of the practice of slavery. However, slavery remained in Upper and Lower Canada until 1834 when the British Parliament's Slavery Abolition Act finally abolished slavery in all parts of the British Empire.

So Canada achieved a slavery free society a little over three decades before you, and did so with a combination of Upper Canadian law and judicial practice, and British law.

Far from being free of slavery, I see now we had some. Our great achievement in this area was getting rid of it without the mass slaughter which sadly, but necessarily, overtook your country. We also helped many slaves before and during your civil war, which is why there is a large black population around Toronto, for example.

However, I don't mean this to be an attack on the United States. I oppose abortion for the same reason I oppose slavery: It enslaves/harms or kills a person, which the law doesn't recognize as a person. And Canada has no abortion law whatsoever, a fact I am deeply sickened and distressed by.

The U.S. isn't perfect in this regard, but it is better.

81

Christoph - then my reaction was misplaced, and for that I apologize.  I suppose it comes from being on the receiving end of one-too-many "here's the problem with you Yanks" rants from friends in the U.K. and Australia, which can over-sensitize one a bit. 

On a brighter note - you mean they're still handing out Canadian Tyre Coupons?  I thought that was a relic of the old Canada, like eagerly waiting for the Hudson's Bay catalog and flying the Red Ensign.

82 I handed out Canadian Tire coupons as recently as 9 months ago.

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I handed out Canadian Tire coupons as recently as 9 months ago.

It may sound bizarre, but that's actually reassuring to hear - from reading Mark Steyn and Kate McMillan of late, I was coming to believe that the Canada of old, which was a pretty neat place, was all but gone.  Hope remains, though!

 

(Hey, maybe someone could come up with a way to clone Diefenbaker!)

84 "Hey, maybe someone could come up with a way to clone Diefenbaker!"

Hey, according to the Liberals, we already have an evil clone in power.

(The genius Liberal leader who approved that add was soon dumped by the Canadian electorate and his party. He was replaced after multiple indecisive convention ballots by an indecisive professor and former environment minister who named his dog "Kyoto". We'll see how that worked out for them later today.)

85 Just Wondering: Is the "Annenberg" we're talking about here connected to the "Annenberg" that is behind factcheck.org?  They do seem to be "factchecking" McCain much more often and strenuously than The One®.

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87 The irony is at this moment I'm debating an American who came to a Canadian political blog to discuss the superiority of the American political system.

88 Is the "Annenberg" we're talking about here connected to the "Annenberg" that is behind factcheck.org?

Magic Wiki Ball says Yes

89

Listen folks, I'm not quite at PaRep's level, but what McCain is doing is called prepping the battlefield.  He's put out little teasers, little spikes, recon into the enemies' main body and gauged their strength.  What he's doing now is appearing weak, while Obama appears to be strong.  As Sun Tzu said, always appears weakest where you are strong and strongest where you are weak - Obama appears strong on this because he has no fall back, no rally point, no reinforcements.  McCain is gauging his responses to various attacks and what order to hit them with.

Another thing to consider is that the media is essentially Obama's artillery.  They perform an indirect fire role - when a scouting party or skirmish party comes into range, they seek to obliterate it, thereby not damaging the O's main body force.  The closer we get to the election, their ability to fire for effect is reduced, because they start getting into danger close situations, ie Ayers.  If they out and out lie about it, not only will their boy lose the election, but they will be tarnished as well, and simply the amount of time the have to manufacture dissent or the meh factor is reduced or eliminated.

McCain will hit all these points, and hard, within the last two weeks of the election.  The media will not be able to respond to all the charges and draw fire from Obama.  The Obama campaign will resort to the racism smear, which has already been reduced in effect, and that's basically the only comeback they have.

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Christoph, I understand your concern for a neighboring nation. I thought Chretien was a real piece of shit, and I was hoping and praying for a Harper victory.

So, what to do about those Stalinist "Human Rights Commissions"?

 

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