You Know...

Some Republicans are, alas, the exact same sort of unsophisticated angry morons who shout things like "Terrorist" about Obama when McCain is speaking, thus putting him on the extreme defensive, or having temper tantrums on blogs when the proprietor requests they refrain from exposing him to any lawsuits.

They substantially vindicate every stereotype the left and MSM has about us, and make the rest of us not only look bad, but make us squeamish from even being political associates. And they lose us precious votes.

And yet these screamers and tantrum-throwers really think they're the ones helping the team. These malformed, brain-damaged shut-in angry monsters think they've got the right message to carry to the non-deformed, non-retarded demographics.

Wanna know why we're losing? Wanna know why McCain had to make a statement about Obama not being dangerous and being a good and decent man?

Because you geniuses embarrassed him with your stupidity and compelled him to say that.

1% of LGF's commenters embarrassed him greatly and got him widely called a "hate site." Because these fucking imbeciles just thought their scary brilliant pathologies were just too important to not be shared publicly.

99% of readers and commenters are great. It's the 1% of brain-damaged, ignorant mutants that always causes all the embarrassment. On blogs. And at campaign rallies.

And once again: They think they're the ones who have the important messaging which will win over America.

For God's sakes, you embarrass your own would-be political allies. How can you delude yourselves?

At some point, if you really had something valuable to contribute, don't you think someone would have said "Great point, man!" by now?

Can you begin to consider the possibility that you are consistently ignored, and have to resort to shouting "Terrorist" or throwing temper-tantrums on blogs, is because you're a mutant idiot that non-mutants non-idiots just don't have time for? And perhaps you'd best go back to just lurking?

Consider: Earlier today I, a fairly prominent blogger, was pushing the Obama gal-pal story, helping to get it out there.

Now I have deleted it, and will not be posting it again. I'm done with the story.

All because a nasty pathetic wretch of a "man" thought that he would show me by repeatedly spamming a name I'd asked people not to.

Just like with McCain, ready to attack Obama until retards started shouting out "Muslim" and "terrorist' and saying Obama was an "Arab."

So, yellers/mutants:

How do you plan on helping the cause tomorrow? By further so embarrassing leaders and writers into stopping all attacks on Obama?

Brilliant.

Posted by: Ace at 07:32 PM



Comments

1 huh?

are you on our team?

Posted by: reliapundit at October 12, 2008 07:34 PM (Hhqr7)

2 charles at lgf banned people over stuff like this.

not wise.

in russia, kasparov marched with ANYONE who would dare oppose putin - even communists.

fdr allied himself with stalin to defeat hitler.

and so on.

i think we can be tolerant of nearly all the folks who are angry and afraid and want to defeat obama.

Posted by: reliapundit at October 12, 2008 07:36 PM (Hhqr7)

3 I'm shocked that anyone would post a moronic reply to the "Obama has a gifrlfriend in the Bahama's" story...

Pot, meet kettle.

Posted by: Brian at October 12, 2008 07:36 PM (lsuF0)

4 I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not especially in light of lefties tossing fire bombs at McCain campaign signs the other day...

Posted by: ECM at October 12, 2008 07:37 PM (q3V+C)

5 Because these fucking imbeciles just thought their scary brilliant pathologies were just too important to not be shared publicly.

There are things I think about privately that I would never tell anyone, much less put them out in public in a blog.

Posted by: Ray Patterson at October 12, 2008 07:37 PM (d2fuu)

6 I'd bet at least 75% of them are agents provocateurs, actually.

How many of them have IP addresses from Chicago or Chicago 'burbs?

Posted by: Dead Career Sketch at October 12, 2008 07:38 PM (5hxyn)

7 Right the fuck on, Ace! I thought my heart stopped when the comment thingy disappeared earlier. This site is absolutely vital to the war we are fighting now. The kind of people who refuse to show you the respect you deserve make me embarrassed. And angry.

I'm sorry they fucked up your day. It's going to be a rocky 3 weeks. As far as assholes posting on your site, shoot first and don't waste your time with questions.

Semper fi!

Posted by: CB at October 12, 2008 07:38 PM (9Wv2j)

8 As a concerned Christian conservative, I'm wondering if there's a blog that I, and others like me, can go to and just go nuts.

Posted by: lukemcgook at October 12, 2008 07:38 PM (1hkXr)

9 Anybody who calls Obama a terrorist is an idiot and is doing much moreharm to our causethan good.

Posted by: WisCon at October 12, 2008 07:38 PM (RsaX9)

10 Just do what I do Ace, disemvowel them and change their URL so that they suddenly find themselves advertising www.eunuch.org...

Posted by: ClobberGirl at October 12, 2008 07:38 PM (UHPfN)

11 Not just that Ace, but people coming over here from Kos or DU or wherever, to PURPOSELY make you look bad.

Thats whats going on over in the Deleted thread, I'll bet.

Posted by: JarvisW at October 12, 2008 07:39 PM (8yPsP)

12 The Dark Night of Fascism!!!1!!11!11!!

Posted by: DoDoGuRU at October 12, 2008 07:40 PM (cQxy9)

13 Ace: "Wanna know why we're losing? Wanna know why McCain had to make a statement about Obama not being dangerous and being a good and decent man?" You're totally wrong!!! We're losing because McCain REFUSES to fight! We're losing because McCain finds it easier to attack Republicans than to go after Democrats! We're losing because McCain has been broken by the MSM and won't allow us and Sarah Palin to fight for him! McCain had guts to fight the Cong, but he damn sure doesn't have the guts to fight for America so that she's not taken over by this vote-stealing socialist called Barack Obama.

I'm astonished that you'd post this nonsense about one or two people that no one knows if they were Democrat party plants. That's just the kind of thing Obama and his crowd would do so the MSM and Dems would have a new meme.

Man, you sound like McCain, Ace, blame us if it makes you feel better. But the problem isn't us. The problem is McCain!

Posted by: indga at October 12, 2008 07:40 PM (A5JmG)

14 1. I wouldn't automatically assume the baby in the other thread is a republican.

2. We are losing because there has been too much whining and decisiveness among republicans who constantly feel the need to bash our own candidates repeatedly and counter productively.

Posted by: dave at October 12, 2008 07:41 PM (pKT9T)

15 I agree with what you are saying but to me the bigger issue is the fact that "our" 1% are played as the mainstream while the assholes on the left, like Kos or the DU, are played off as the fringe or more often ignored entirely.

I know being a conservative means dealing with the world as is and not as we pretend it to be but it's getting fucking old to see that old lady and her Arab crap played again and again while the Code Pink people who interrupt McCain and Palin on a near daily basis get a pass.

I guess they are two separate issues but it's something McCain or Palin or conservatives with big stages in the MSM (mostly newspaper columnists) should take on.

Posted by: DrewM. at October 12, 2008 07:41 PM (hlYel)

16 Here's the difference between the right and the left.

On the right, 0.0% of the prominent bloggers and 1% of their commenters are unhinged, angry morons.

On the left, 90% of the prominent bloggers and 99% of their commenters are unhinged, angry morons.

Posted by: DelD at October 12, 2008 07:41 PM (hs9gk)

17 With freedom comes responsibility.

Posted by: mare at October 12, 2008 07:42 PM (X1fsj)

18 divisiveness

Posted by: dave at October 12, 2008 07:42 PM (pKT9T)

19 I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not especially in light of lefties tossing fire bombs at McCain campaign signs the other day...

"Tu quoque" is not always the appropriate response. The fact that the other side does stupid things does not give us license.

Posted by: Guy in Utah at October 12, 2008 07:43 PM (V3WTz)

20 HAHAHAHAHA Dallas loses.

Posted by: lorien1973 at October 12, 2008 07:44 PM (ddGv/)

21 You can't control the behavior of everyone and you never will. If the media is going to seize upon it and play it up because they are bias, I don't know what can be done. I have never seen it as bad as it is this election.

Posted by: dave at October 12, 2008 07:44 PM (pKT9T)

22 Ace, here's a policy you may want to adopt for the site:

“To ERR is human, to FORGIVE divine. HOWEVER, neither is Marine Corps AoSHQ Policy.”

Posted by: CB at October 12, 2008 07:45 PM (9Wv2j)

23 http://minx.cc/?post=275428

Clean UP needed There ACE

Posted by: PaRep at October 12, 2008 07:45 PM (dWdDN)

24 Absolutely. The sad thing is that the internet is only semi-anonymous as in, we generally can get who is a Republican and who is a sock puppet. So whenever a true Republican says something truly racist or hateful the left feels vindicated in their stereotypes, its called a confirmation bias.
Now that being said, there are some true ugly things that Obama needs to answer for that we will get called racist for asking by those who don't want to answer.


Posted by: BarckoBama at October 12, 2008 07:45 PM (GEVSM)

25 And yet these screamers and tantrum-throwers really think they're the ones helping the team. These malformed, brain-damaged shut-in angry monsters think they've got the right message to carry to the non-deformed, non-retarded demographics.
Part of being really dumb is not knowing that you're dumb.

Posted by: Matt at October 12, 2008 07:46 PM (0z0tO)

26 This comment was Trollbusted.

Posted by: Fuck off Ace at October 12, 2008 07:46 PM (Fd2MN)

27 http://minx.cc/?post=275428

Clean Up Needed there ACE

Posted by: PaRep at October 12, 2008 07:46 PM (dWdDN)

28 Seriously, you know hate when you see it.

The fact is that conservative ideas are superior on their own. History has proven this over and over again. Liberalism is the deep hope that history is wrong and that the world simply hasn't "done it right" yet.

Fight on the basis of the ideas. Fight on the basis that it's just a matter of communicating the ideas so that enough people will see their hope and their genius.

The hate confuses the message. The hate scares people. The hate gives ammo to MSM lies.

I cringe every time I read one of those comments.

Posted by: TomV at October 12, 2008 07:46 PM (/PwQS)

29 I'm astonished that you'd post this nonsense about one or two people
that no one knows if they were Democrat party plants. That's just the
kind of thing Obama and his crowd would do so the MSM and Dems would
have a new meme.


Not all idiots are leftists, and calling anyone who makes our side look bad a "plant" isn't much of an argument.


Posted by: AndrewR at October 12, 2008 07:46 PM (ms++M)

30 "Pot, meet kettle."

RACISM!

Posted by: Dave J at October 12, 2008 07:47 PM (qsGH+)

31 You must understand that pretending to be a member of the opposition and behaving badly is the Alinsky way.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 12, 2008 07:47 PM (GlrN/)

32 !Cleanup in the Puma thread, Molotov Cocktail thread, the Politico thread and Cincinnati Enquirer thread!

Posted by: shibumi at October 12, 2008 07:47 PM (tZB/c)

33 Matt at October 12, 2008 07:46 PM (0z0tO)

Hell. That's part of the fun of it!

Posted by: lorien1973 at October 12, 2008 07:47 PM (ddGv/)

34 Well, Ace is demonstrably correct, but I think it's a little more complicated than that. Conservatives, particularly social conservatives, feel punched in the gut daily -- certainly every time they open a newspaper or turn on the news. Friday was a banner day, for instance, in which one court did that re-defining marriage trick again, and another judge decided that there shall be no verifying of voter registrations in Ohio. That was just one day. The onslaught is relentless, and a lot of people feel powerless. Add to that the fact that many feel, to put it mildly, uneasy about the government taking over more and more of the economy, and the helplessness is compounded. Who can compete with all the news?

It is one thing for Atlas to shrug, but the fact is that I am not Atlas. Very few people are Atlas, or even Dagny Taggart or John Galt. I could throw off all of my responsibilities and the world outside of my family and clients would not stop turning. My exit from productivity would be absorbed and forgotten. I don't mean to strain the Atlas Shrugged bit too much, but it comes to mind because people are wanting to do something that has impact, but know that it wouldn't mean much if they were alone.

And thus is born the desire for leadership, not to elevate personalities, but to have a point of coordination for those who do not have much impact on their own (any community organizer worth his salt understands how to not only tap into that sort of thing, but to create it).

Those people shouting at rallies are trying to prod someone into a leadership role. In that sense, not all of the shouters at rallies are "brain damaged". They are acting quite reasonably, given the circumstances, and speaking not out of ignorance, but out of a clear anxiety-producing awareness of their own inability to stand alone in the hurricane.

Having said all that, I'm sure Ace has a clear read on the pulse of his own commenters, both good and bad.

Posted by: ArrMatey at October 12, 2008 07:47 PM (35LYA)

35 and Here

Posted by: PaRep at October 12, 2008 07:48 PM (dWdDN)

36 You'd need a thicker skin that what you've ever shown before for my comment.

Posted by: Dick at October 12, 2008 07:48 PM (1w2l9)

37 Speaking of idiots, clean up needed at the bottom of this thread -- http://minx.cc/?post=275424

Posted by: mesablue at October 12, 2008 07:48 PM (5yNaE)

38 I hate to say it Ace, but you are right. Too many people are all wrapped up in themselves. This particular election is about what is best for the country, and Obama ain't it. So it doesn't take too much smarts to figure out that the idea is to look intelligent, present your case well, and leave Obama looking like the idiot.
I personally think that McCain lacks force of personality where he could actually confront Obama about any one of these issues that, for me, are enough to vote against him. Things like ACORN and Ayres makes me spitting mad. But it is not in the best interest of our country for me to freak out. What I am doing is I am talking to everybody I know about voting for McCain.
I also think that when this election is over, the conservatives in this country need to think about some serious payback for the various media outlet. Maybe a nationwide boycott of the sponsors of some of the television networks. I will be all in for that.

Posted by: Harry at October 12, 2008 07:50 PM (eN3BI)

39 This comment was Trollbusted.

Posted by: I'll do what I want to at October 12, 2008 07:50 PM (Fd2MN)

40 Oh! Dan Collins from P.W. has stopped in. That explains everything!

just kidding, Dan!

Posted by: jmflynny at October 12, 2008 07:52 PM (RrKQ0)

41 Subway.
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Posted by: BumperStickerist at October 12, 2008 07:52 PM (GuX8p)

42 Do you mean to tell me the Arizona Cardinals won? Yippee! Boy, my sister is going to be pissed. Should have taken her up on the $100 bet. Damn it. Damn it all to hell.

I hope I am not in the 1% because of my previous comments ... I be very bummed out if I was ...

Posted by: kimberly at October 12, 2008 07:52 PM (Rpam5)

43 Aren't we the ones who believe in property rights? If so, when someone says "do not that in my sandbox", then, well, don't do that in his sandbox. Not only is it just polite, it actually demonstrates true belief in that principle.

Pixels are effectively free. Don't like it? Start your own blog and rant away.

Posted by: alexthechick at October 12, 2008 07:53 PM (cKBBc)

44 the baby in the other thread is a republican, he was very angry in an earlier post about how much of a pussy allah and I were.

I doubt it. Before he posted with that tag, he made a test post with it. He is changing his ID tag and using other people's ID tags.

Posted by: dave at October 12, 2008 07:53 PM (pKT9T)

45 Of course we have loons on our side who cause embarrassment and discredit us. And to that point, one of the key distinctions between us and the left is we have long since denounced the fringe, starting in the pre-Reagan days when we clearly placed the John Birch Society, KKK, etc beyond the bounds of decency. In contrast, the Democrats continue to embrace their lunatic fringe with no sense of embarrassment. This is a distinction we cannot surrender.

It should be noted, though, that the very tone of this site, with its frequent histrionics and wild language, blurs that line and almost invites the unacceptable. It is a tension inherent in the tone of this page.

Posted by: cadillac short at October 12, 2008 07:53 PM (ha0qn)

46 To be clear, I thought it was the bmmeuppls whose posts you deleted in the same thread.

Posted by: dave at October 12, 2008 07:54 PM (pKT9T)

47 then again, comment 46 was written by a person begging to be bitch-slapped and forced to resent it.
Time for ace to break out the Ban Hammer and unleash the Ban Brigades.
-

Posted by: BumperStickerist at October 12, 2008 07:54 PM (GuX8p)

48 Post #46 needs a beat-down . . . What the hell are these people trying to accomplish?

Posted by: CB at October 12, 2008 07:54 PM (9Wv2j)

49 Ace: Arizona Cardinals
Unsophisticaed Angry Morons: Dallas Cowboys Punter

Posted by: lorien1973 at October 12, 2008 07:54 PM (ddGv/)

50 Man, well I missed a day.

A reporter at a major media organization (not Fox) is sitting on a story that rubbishes the "guy from the neighborhood" claim.

Hillbuzz was hinting at the babysitting angle.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 12, 2008 07:55 PM (1cqur)

51 #40:

Damn, that was well said. I concur with that and what Ace said also. Some on our side read all the silly e-mail chain stuff, and believe it like it's the front page of the New York Times. (ahem...)

One point to remember though, is their nuts are more numerous than ours by far. Michelle Malkin points that out in a nice photo gallery of the unhinged on the left. Got Mark Steyn's attention earlier today at the Corner. That guy in Wisconsin the media have been spitting about was not a loony tune, he was right. Now, the old lady who called him an Arab, the media are saying she said Arab terrorist, when she did not say that. So we get screwed by the press either way. What a country!

Posted by: Brian72 at October 12, 2008 07:55 PM (h6lGQ)

52 Ace, delete the offending comments.

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 12, 2008 07:56 PM (KOkrW)

53 Why "terrorist," when "friend of terrorists" should be pretty much just as effective?

Posted by: Stumbo at October 12, 2008 07:56 PM (dPaNC)

Posted by: I'll do what I want to at October 12, 2008 07:56 PM (Fd2MN)

55 No one has ever agreed with my point.YetI plug along.
Here's my advice to McCain - Name your cabinet appointments.
See,I'm not crazy about McCain. I kinda hate him. Especially recently. But if I knew his administration was stacked with respectable folk well - I'll feel better voting for him. Plus it may make Obama announce his own future administration.
And you know that would be all kinds of fun.

Posted by: Mainstreet at October 12, 2008 07:56 PM (XWJh5)

56 Posted by: I'll do what I want to at October 12, 2008 07:50 PM (Fd2MN)

Apparently, Eric Cartman's now posting on your website.

Posted by: AD at October 12, 2008 07:56 PM (WHVgl)

57 Wow. I’ve got to say, there is so much truth to what you wrote Ace. It applies to Democrats too. Sure the Obamatards are stinking up the internet with their brain dead embrace of Barry’s creeping socialism. But I’m convinced that the majority of people planning to vote for Barry are totally clueless about him. I’ve seen more posts from Obama supporters claiming he is a CENTRIST of all things than I’d care to count. There are people out there that believe he’ll be the next Bill Clinton on economic issues for goodness sake! (Even Hillary wasn’t as centrist as Bill). Others just have faith in him because he seems intelligent. (WTF. As if the most brilliant Finance PhDs didn’t just help create this market meltdown. As if the “best and brightest” didn’t give us Viet Nam. Ivy League degrees and the ability to expound on philosophy are seriously over-rated.)
When and if Obama wins, it will NOT be because the majority of his voters are clamoring for socialism. They don’t know what he’s talking about when he talks about “economic justice.” It sounds good to them! Who DOESN’T want justice?
If he wins it’ll primarily be due to anti-Bush furor. We’ve got to remember: Most of these people are REACHABLE. They want accountability. They want personal responsibility. (For example, my Obamatard brother in law hates the idea of the government bailing out irresponsible homeowners.) They believe in America as the land of opportunity, not the land of entitlement. . The lazy bastards that want to suck off the nanny state teat are the minority (although I fear they are growing in number over time).

Posted by: Tversky at October 12, 2008 07:56 PM (srHu4)

58 It's the same guy being obnoxious in all the threads.

Posted by: dave at October 12, 2008 07:57 PM (pKT9T)

59 Have there been any good studies into leftist wackos versus rightwing wackos? I'm willing to bet that their haters both outnumber and "outperform" ours.

Posted by: JohnJ at October 12, 2008 07:57 PM (r27QA)

60 The reason people are mad is because Americans value fair play above almost anything else and the disgusting spectacle of the MSM subverting our democracy through their subterfuge and lies is really too much for a free peoples to bear. People wouldn't be overcome with the urge to yell "terrorist" if things were as they should be.

Posted by: nord at October 12, 2008 07:57 PM (azL8r)

61 It should be noted, though, that the very tone of this site, with its
frequent histrionics and wild language, blurs that line and almost
invites the unacceptable. It is a tension inherent in the tone of this
page.

Cadillac, you are wrong. There's a line and everybody knows where it is. And, in this case, Ace specifically defined it in his post. It's about respect, pure and simple. If you want to express yourself outside the limits defined here, start your own damn blog. If you're so fuckin' smart, the world will beat a path to your door.

Posted by: CB at October 12, 2008 07:57 PM (9Wv2j)

62 #58 -- thanks. 'preciate that.

#62 -- wow! That was a lot of typing.

Posted by: ArrMatey at October 12, 2008 07:58 PM (35LYA)

63 I was trying to type to ask why you hadn't banned the ass-monkey when the thread locked up. When it returned, he/she was gone.
Good going. Don't hesitate to fire your weapon, Ace.

Posted by: jmflynny at October 12, 2008 07:58 PM (RrKQ0)

64 There is no way tohave a pure congregation Ace. The problem was only that these thoughts were exposed on television, revealing the unfortunate fact that the blogs have not gained the power they deserve in the American political conversation. Seeing is still more believing than writing. There is a lot of anger in the USA . It gets out. Right or wrong.Except for his fellow looters, no one trusts the One, nor does he trust anyone but them, if he trusts at all. ButMcCain is a trusting type who lets anybody who comes get into these events. So regretful things may be a said, and heard. Obama paints his human backdrops like Cezanne. His anger and that of his followers is hidden. But it willshow it selfthe day after the election.

Posted by: mytralman at October 12, 2008 07:58 PM (0mKiN)

65 Ace,

It is certainly possible that there are morons on the Right who would embarass you and every other popular site.

But I where I went to college, there were monsters on the Left who knew how to play as if they were police instigators.

The destruction of trust, the unreliability and takeover of news organizations is right out of the Leninist playbook. I don't know the answer except for you and others to start publishing IP addresses of those who are the biggest defenders instead of simply banning people who apparently have access to more than one computer.

Posted by: Pascal at October 12, 2008 07:58 PM (mE7Cl)

66 I dunno. I have a Never Apologize policy and I think I'll stick with it.

Fuck the Left.

Posted by: Bart at October 12, 2008 07:58 PM (sF2fI)

67 I wonder to what degree the same thing could be said about the left?

I'm not leftist, not by a long shot, but I do wonder sometimes just how unhinged and out-to-lunch the average left-leaning person is. I do believe that most of them are well intentioned but simply not cognizant of reality. They're operating off of flawed assumptions that lead them to erroneous conclusions. Not bad people, not crazy, not stupid, just misinformed and therefore arriving at the wrong conclusions.

I suspect that for every barking-mad moonbat poster at daily kos or the DU or the Huffington post, there are likely scores of reasonable, if misinformed, lefties who need not be our enemies.

Communication is the key. I suspect that reasonable and honest conservatives have a lot in common with their counterparts among the left. The truth is what it is. None of us have a monopoly on it. All of us search for it in our own way and within the constraints of our individual limitations as human beings. The extreme partisanship that has come to define the American political scene will eventually be our undoing. Extremists will always be with us, but when extremists come to define their respective camps, the result is never pretty. The last time this happened the result was a bloody civil war.


Posted by: Lee at October 12, 2008 07:58 PM (LxqQW)

68 Killface for President 2008, he cured global warming.

Posted by: xander crews at October 12, 2008 07:59 PM (Jd0Cx)

69 defenders offenders

Posted by: Pascal at October 12, 2008 08:00 PM (mE7Cl)

70 Gee, Ace, it looks like somebody's come in to specifically keep you from discussing this. Imagine that. I wonder who such a person would be working for...

Posted by: AmishDude at October 12, 2008 08:00 PM (GlrN/)

71 Oh crap. I see they travel in pairs.

Posted by: jmflynny at October 12, 2008 08:00 PM (RrKQ0)

72 #63 -- I agree with you completely. I remember W in 2000 rolling out General Powell and showing what his team would look like during the campaign. I'd thought when the $700 billion first came out that he ought to name Mitt Romney for Treasury and then just set him loose on the talk shows. I have no idea if he knows what to do, but he sounds like he knows what he's saying.

Posted by: ArrMatey at October 12, 2008 08:00 PM (35LYA)

73 Why would anyone want to call Obama a terrorist? It's such a reactionary cliche... we need to start calling him a Socialist!

Hear that rally goers? Terrorist = OUT - Socialist = IN

Ayers importance in this is not that he is an unrepentant terrorist, it is because he is a radical socialist looking to undermine America's Free Market Capitalist System by indoctrinating our children through the public education system - now THAT is truly alarming!

Posted by: Robin Mac at October 12, 2008 08:01 PM (FDsck)

74 And for people who want to go off on stemwinding rants about Obama, Wordpress and Blogspot are free.
Hell I got me a blog and I post some of the worst shit about Obama imaginable. Completely over the top, and I don't care. I make no bones about it. But that's MY blog and my rules. Here, I just try to be pithy, and barring that, moronic. And someday Ace will edit his blogroll of all the expired dead blogs and then I'll get a link and lots of traffic and girls and pie and ...

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 12, 2008 08:02 PM (KOkrW)

75 Ace, can you ban his IP address or is he spoofing new ones? I'm sure he's in violation of his ISP's terms of use, unless he's in Iran or Venezuela.

Posted by: Dave J at October 12, 2008 08:03 PM (qsGH+)

76 I'm late to the party, but what's the reason you don't want her name written on the blog?

Posted by: AndrewR at October 12, 2008 08:03 PM (ms++M)

77 Speaking of brain-dead, Deliverance is just now showing on CMT.
Oh, and Huckabee is on Fox. He's not bad. Right now he's making fun of Colbert.

Posted by: jmflynny at October 12, 2008 08:04 PM (RrKQ0)

78 I have other things to do, but now I have to stick around just to see how long #62 stays up there.

Posted by: ArrMatey at October 12, 2008 08:04 PM (35LYA)

79 WTF?? So, Ace's site is now run by mutant retards? The 1%? It appears to be true since he pulled the story. How about this: Ace has a responsibility to run the story, if it has cred, and to push it. Shut the comment thingy off and direct comments/tips to emails.
Let's roll!!

Posted by: THIRDWAVEDAVE at October 12, 2008 08:06 PM (aU+VM)

80 18 Here's the difference between the right and the left. On the right, 0.0% of the prominent bloggers and 1% of their commenters are unhinged, angry morons.On the left, 90% of the prominent bloggers and 99% of their commenters are unhinged, angry morons.
Posted by: DelD at October 12, 2008 07:41 PM (hs9gk)

Can't bitch about those numbers.

Posted by: Old Hippie Vet at October 12, 2008 08:06 PM (dzE9C)

81 As interesting from a "new tidbit" angle the Obama's (possibly) extra chick story is, I'm much more interested in this one:

http://tinyurl.com/4v978a

If this story fully gets out (yeah, I know, fat chance, right?), Barack Obama and Dick Morris will have a very rough couple of weeks ahead of them.

Posted by: PowerPro at October 12, 2008 08:06 PM (JPEqm)

82 I would say I am acquainted with couple hundred people and 1% are operating citizens who have a twisted since of logic. One is a ultra conservative friend of the family the other is a liberal I know at work.

We know agent provocateurs exist but I would be careful about placing a hard percentage unless there was some strong evidence to provide a reliable conclusion. Otherwise we would be placing ourselves in the same: "let's make up numbers and claims" as the other kooks.

Posted by: annoyamouse at October 12, 2008 08:06 PM (wPRKf)

83 Ace, do what I would do. Post the cocksuckers IP address.

Posted by: JavaJoe at October 12, 2008 08:08 PM (Am6n/)

84 Because he's not sure it is true and he doesn't want to get sued. That other bloggers have chosen to post her name, is their decision. Ace made his.

Posted by: dave at October 12, 2008 08:08 PM (pKT9T)

85 "Cadillac, you are wrong. There's a line and everybody knows where it is. And, in this case, Ace specifically defined it in his post."

I don't think so. Just look at the shocked reactions every time Ace cracks down. And in this case, he defined retroactive to the problem, which has a nasty habit of recurring here.

Posted by: cadillac short at October 12, 2008 08:10 PM (ha0qn)

86 The comments thingy here is invaluable. Just for me personally, it's pointed me at things I never would have seen. And I have pointed others. Just in the last few days, I have seen arguments on here that work.

And, hey, what IS the deal with #62 anyway?? Maybe they've tracked the IP address to a musty basement and the goon squad's on the way to effect a more permanent solution . . . one can only hope.

Posted by: CB at October 12, 2008 08:10 PM (9Wv2j)

87 Something interesting to ponder...For 8 years, while G.W. Bush has been in office, the American public has been witnesse to the most vile and unhinged acts of hatred toward W and any Republican in the vicinity. Eight years of being scolded and yelled at, 8 years of being protested and talked down too. 8 years of liberals "gone wild" so to speak. There's been no shutdown of this dissent, because W, seems to respect the right to free speech and has a thicker skin than most.

So add 8 years of the liberal craziness, with the 8 years of a roller coaster this Bush administration has been. (Love him or hate him, W hasn't exactly had an easy presidency).

So some conservatives/republicans have picked up a few of the "unhinged" traits and are getting agitated. Can you blame them?

And I wasn't here for the Obama/GF story so- one last piece of advice: If you are posting on a blog that doesn't belong to you. Adhere to the the owners rules. It ain't your house, you're a guest.

Posted by: baxtrice at October 12, 2008 08:10 PM (QtEAK)

88 ace at October 12, 2008 08:03 PM (1WR4H)

But, ace, the mutants on the left who do this exact same thing do not seem to hurt their cause. In fact, it helps them.

Without these people, would people still be pondering the past contents of Palin's uterus?

Posted by: lorien1973 at October 12, 2008 08:10 PM (ddGv/)

89 None of us are campaign strategists. We are average people who care for our country. As wonderful as this site is, it will not alter the election one iota.

Charles Johnson is a a wonderful person, but he is not perfect. He has issues, and God bless him, don't we all.

The real issue in this election is superficiality about America and Western Civilization.

I am an agnostic. But it seems the broad rejection of Christianity has included a broad rejection of America and the West.

Life goes on. Will the brilliant idea of freedom and liberty go on?

The idea which makes us all the more human?

McCain truly does not get that. He is caught up in some bizarre Dole-like sense of noblesse oblige.

LGF went off the track by Johnson's pursuit of acceptability.

Palin gets all this. She is a highly perceptive and intelligent human. She knows what is going on.

McCain has zero interest in being president. He has no set of principles which make it meaningful to him. Like Bush, like Dole. McCain is just happy to have known he ran for president. Yay for him.

It is not possible to plumb the depths of the superficiality.

Wealth and prosperity, the result of our freedom, is now the catalyst for every asshole on the planet to destroy freedom.

For a few years there, after the collapse of communism, it appeared that the world's people would come around to appreciating and loving freedom.

Alas, no. The alliance of mohammed-worship and marxist anger are sweeping over the planet.. McCain has no idea. Zero.

I do not know, but I guess, that McCain is one of those well meaning folks who scoffs at the very idea of evil.

Sorry, that sounds extreme, doesn't it?






Posted by: Tonawanda at October 12, 2008 08:11 PM (IA49+)

90 I love you, Ace. You are one of my heros.

Posted by: Jane at October 12, 2008 08:11 PM (toviS)

Posted by: The world needs to know her name at October 12, 2008 08:12 PM (V+4S4)

92 And Ace - as I surf around the blogosphere, I am very confident that McCain is going to win this. The Obama camp is becoming completely unhinged as his house of cards comes falling down.

My complaint about McCain is that if he were playing this right, he could take down the democrat houses as well. There is an excellent opportunity for him and all those down ticket.

I think McCain needs to explain how drilling and building nuke energy plants would revitalize our economy because of the auxiliary support industries with good paying long terms jobs that would be activated by doing so. He needs to SPELL THAT OUT. We don't need no stinkin' WPA!

Leave the attacking to his surrogates - and the 527s.

Posted by: Robin Mac at October 12, 2008 08:12 PM (FDsck)

93 Excellent post TomV (#34). It’s like you’re reading my mind. Conservatives CAN and SHOULD win again if they just rely on ideas and a positive message. Those are two areas where conservatism trumps liberalism any day of the week. Liberals need negativity (e.g. America is terrible place, you are a victim of sexism, homophobia, racism, xenophobia, etc., The rich are getting richer at your expense, etc.) and can’t compete with logical ideas. Have you noticed that Obama’s hopeychanging message must be prefaced with the most depressing rhetoric possible? That’s how he works. He convinces people their lives are in the shitter and only he, the immortal Obama can help them. I’m not saying people aren’t hurting in this country but even then, we’re still an incredibly affluent nation. We are LUCKY to live here.
“And to that point, one of the key distinctions between us and the left is we have long since denounced the fringe, starting in the pre-Reagan days when we clearly placed the John Birch Society, KKK, etc beyond the bounds of decency. In contrast, the Democrats continue to embrace their lunatic fringe with no sense of embarrassment. This is a distinction we cannot surrender.”
Great point. That is a HUGE reason why I left the Democratic Party. It sickens me to see their leadership actively embrace DailyKos, MoveOn.Org, ACORN, etc. They have no standards whatsoever.

Posted by: Tversky at October 12, 2008 08:13 PM (srHu4)

94 Ace,
Excuse my ignorance, but isn't it possible just to delete the offending comment and ban the IP addy of the poster, rather than deep-six the entire thread?

It is very rude of posters to come visit the site that you host and pay for, and expressly ignore your requests.

Then people wonder why so many blogs have moderated comments.

Sigh.

Posted by: PumaPrincess at October 12, 2008 08:13 PM (igeNx)

95 They're operating off of flawed assumptions that lead them to erroneous
conclusions. Not bad people, not crazy, not stupid, just misinformed
and therefore arriving at the wrong conclusions.

Yep, I call them default democrats. The megaphones of our culture all blare the same siren song of leftism. Humans are herd beasts and it's very hard to break away and think for yourself. Especially when all the "authorities" constantly reinforce the notion that their worldview is the only acceptable one.

Posted by: nightwitch at October 12, 2008 08:13 PM (dfTf5)

96 I don't think so. Just look at the shocked reactions every time Ace
cracks down. And in this case, he defined retroactive to the problem,
which has a nasty habit of recurring here.
The line is only unclear if you're a damn fool, which would seem to prove his point about some people needing to shut the hell up.

Posted by: AndrewR at October 12, 2008 08:14 PM (ms++M)

97 Hmmm, we've seen Andrew Sullivan, the DU and the Kos Kiddies and any number of Leftist web sites spread fellowship and love. Despite this have the Leftist been restrained or held up in their brain numbing attacks? Have they brought credit to their side?

No they have spread the faith amongst their numbers persuading the weak minded and uncertain that their methods work. They encourage stronger methods in the face of reality. So a fatally flawed character like Obama becomes respectable.

McCain is going to lose not because he is an honorable man but because he insists on wearing his Sunday best and acting if he were sitting in church while his opponents heap garbage on him from the cesspool.

Obama's side does not hesitate to use lawsuits to silence its opposition regardless odf the merit of the charge. In Canada Mark Steryn was prosecuted not because he was hatefilled but because the Left needed to silence him. So if we all put on our white gloves and act as honorable gentleman rather than describe Obama as someone who has such associations and alliances that he couldn't get a security clearance as hateful, well, we can all take pride in the fact that we acted honorably as we put on the chains of slavery rather than act in a manner that didn't pass muster with ACORN, the NY Times or CBS.

Posted by: Thomas Jackson at October 12, 2008 08:14 PM (5ySCu)

98 One of the best things about AoSHQ is that I can come here and post comments using either my nom de blog (apologies to AoS commenter nom de blog) or some sockpuppet like "Joe 'Chia Pet' Biden (D-Scranton)" in what is usually a lame attempt at teh funnay.

One of the worst things about AoSHQ is that any cocksucker with a web browser can do the same thing.


Posted by: Andy at October 12, 2008 08:15 PM (iIvIk)

99 Wait, Ace didn't tell me rampant racism and privacy invasion of random people were off limits! So unfair! [/aoshq commenting retard]

Posted by: greg s at October 12, 2008 08:15 PM (x47Ed)

100 Can I be a non-mutant idiot?

Posted by: Jason at October 12, 2008 08:15 PM (wzIDV)

101 spam monkey reveals a serious flaw in the website. Without registration, a commenter smart enough to figure out a proxy, can just keep spamming even with banning a vaporization. Sure, its a pain, by some geeks are so OCD they will just keep working to score on some imaginary point.

Technology is the key, Pixy should add a table of banned phrases to the banned IP and too-long-URL check routine. That would put a stop to our current chipmunk, since what he wants to post is what you want to ban.

Posted by: toby928 at October 12, 2008 08:15 PM (PD1tk)

102 McCain had to say
Barack was a good and decent man -- thus vouching for him -- because
some imbeciles had to shout "terrorist' and "muslim" at his
appearances.

I disagree with this premise. He didn't have to say anything about Barack. He could have showed some balls, asked the audience to identify the culprits and proceeded to have them escorted out. Then make it clear he's not going to have any of that nonsense get in the way of the real issues.

Posted by: Editor at October 12, 2008 08:15 PM (p4YSL)

103 For those interested, and some have asked, the cretin in question is spoofing IP addresses.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at October 12, 2008 08:16 PM (eiOZw)

104 Just for the record...
This "Obama is a good and decent man" is bullshit anyway
Bill Clinton called him a thug, which was true, and nary a head turned.
Obama is as ruthless and evil a politician as ever set their hand to the plow.

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at October 12, 2008 08:16 PM (F1b/5)

105 Why the fuck should McCain not have rallies because of the equivalent of trolls shouting nonsense in them?
Why can't he just point to the person, and say "I want the police to remove this deranged demonstrator, obviously a supporter of my opponent trying to disrupt my campaign".
No one has a "right" to disrupt a rally. Where did that line of bullshit come from?
Why doesn't Mccain have the balls to say so? Shit, Even Bill Maher got out of his chair and into the face of a guy heckling his show. Why can't war hero McCain?


Posted by: fulldroolcup at October 12, 2008 08:16 PM (n5xaw)

106 http://tinyurl.com/4v978a

If this story fully gets out (yeah, I know, fat chance, right?), Barack Obama and Dick Morris will have a very rough couple of weeks ahead of them.

If Obama supporters start ordering machetes, do not assemble at the churches. Got it? Do not hide in the churches.

Posted by: dave at October 12, 2008 08:16 PM (pKT9T)

107 Ace, I'm your loyal servant. You ever need anything, just email me and I'm there. Maybe it's time to have moron membership!

Posted by: CDR M at October 12, 2008 08:16 PM (TJoU6)

108 Ace, you really need to put post like this aside for at least 2 hours before you hit publish.

Posted by: TheBigOldDog at October 12, 2008 08:18 PM (0oAW0)

109 Honestly Ace, I think the folks acting irresponsibly at the McCain Rallies are Obama agent provacateurs from ACORN, it's their Method of Operation. Typical lefty stuff from 1968.

Posted by: carol at October 12, 2008 08:18 PM (NlwnB)

110 to best obama .......wisenotto act like his psycho supporters......

obama's supporters are the extremist, they are the protesters, the kookie birds who dress in pink, and creepy green, burn flags, scream obsenities........
( but this is the EXTREME DEMS that have taken over the DNC....and moved it to chicago......knowing how stupid pelosi, reid and dean are.....suckers for pac money)

BTW....what is this certain journalist, sitting on a certian piece of meaty pie under his butt...... cause people can smell it.....but not sure what the smell is......

Posted by: nygal at October 12, 2008 08:19 PM (M5o7m)

111 the little maggot has struck again, deleted gf post, #193

Posted by: CB at October 12, 2008 08:19 PM (9Wv2j)

112 The only actual scream of "Terrorist" where the press point to a specific spot was clearly in reference to William Ayers. One of the "Kill him's!" was there too, I think. If I was running the rally, we'd know the name of the person who did the yelling. At the very least, to cross-check his donations.

A metric shitload of the followups have been essentially unsourced - apparently referring back to the same freaking incident.

We're going against a team of Axelrod and a guy who came up through Chicago politics. If you wade through the PUMA sites listening to the stories of caucus manipulation that go beyond normal methods into physical intimidation. I keep guessing "Blank Panthers" personally. Close ties with the Weather Underground, plenty or willing bodies. I, frankly, find it far easier to believe it is an astroturfer-gone-wild.

Some of these stories are just crazy. Who cares about some bimbo. IMNSHO these seem like chaff designed explicitly to detract from what should be the two main stories for the whole week:

Ayers: Obama allies himself with crazy people.
Fanny/Acorn: Obama sues banks that don't hold enough insane loans.

That's really enough if there's a solid case. We have a pretty freaking solid case. Now people just need to know how freaking solid it is.

If we wander off talking about crap like another bimbo, we're going to be completely derailing what's left of a reversal.

Ban the assholes. Make a post listing IP's for other sites to reference.

Posted by: Al at October 12, 2008 08:19 PM (Lk931)

113 Maybe it's time to move on to something more manageable? A site that gives you (Ace and his minions) more godlike authority?

Seems the Barbarian raids are becoming more of a nuisance.

Posted by: JavaJoe at October 12, 2008 08:19 PM (Am6n/)

114 Given the way this thing has played, I wouldn'tput it past the DNC to plant some more"hate mongers"ata rally - assuming they didn't do it initially.
We have our fair share ofidiots but, it'sironic to the extreme that the MSMhadno concerns about getting theirknuckleheads riled upat the May day rallies two years ago. The kill Bushchants at the anti-war rally I attended in Tallahassee, FL. I didn't see any concern when thetruthers were claiming Bush was behind 9/11. The Death Of A President assassination movie.Fahrenheit 9/11. etc etc.

Posted by: Shrug at October 12, 2008 08:20 PM (/DlqX)

115 Shit. I go on one fucking Valu-Rite bender and wake up to this horseshit.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 12, 2008 08:20 PM (F8T+B)

116 This reminds me of the Iranian Fire Drill. It's all fun and games until the truck turns over.

Posted by: mare at October 12, 2008 08:21 PM (X1fsj)

117 Ahh I see we have a "Hey look at me" thing going on here.

For once I'm glad I missed out.

K

Posted by: Kestrel♠ at October 12, 2008 08:21 PM (GY6TN)

118 The hysterics on the right make us look as ridiculous as the tin-foil hat crowd on the left.

The difference is that in the past conservatives have made an effort to marginalize the more militant wing of conservatism, while the left has embraced them as the base.

I encourage Ace to continue posting as he has and ask the Troll Busters to be vigilant about those neurotic types who think they're being relevant and helpful.

Posted by: Justin at October 12, 2008 08:22 PM (iH1PP)

119 Hey, theworldneedstoknowhername.... (or whatever name you come back with)
Everybody knew Monica Lewinsky's name and everything else we could possibly know about her. It did nothing. The only people who get blasted for sexual escapades are those who speak against such things - because it's "hypocrisy".
People who contemplate voting for Obama don't do so because he's moral, so even if it was absolutely proven he was immoral it wouldn't accomplish a thing.
If you're mad at Ace because he chooses not to be The National Enquirer, spite him by taking it to The National Enquirer and having them get the credit for bringing Obama down (as you seem to think it would do).
If you want to use the Cloward-Piven Plan of breaking a system by overloading it, break the system that needs to be broken, NOT this place.

Posted by: justincase at October 12, 2008 08:22 PM (52dPV)

120 Fuck the Left.

Have you ever convinced a moderate Democrat to vote Republican, Bart? I have. And it wasn't through the sheer force of my rage.

Posted by: sandy burger at October 12, 2008 08:22 PM (drTGT)

121 Kick some ass, Ace.

Your house, your rules. Goonie goo goo, Gus!

Posted by: Hurricane Mikey at October 12, 2008 08:23 PM (OmIEH)

122 Was it my lady softball comments?

Posted by: Winston at October 12, 2008 08:24 PM (8xN9x)

123 We only pass with a 100% or we lose? No wonder the left is gaining, complete failure is a strategy that is working very well.

Posted by: Dennis at October 12, 2008 08:24 PM (HPd5W)

124 "Thanks, concern troll.

Be sure to provide me with further information about how David Axelrod thinks I ought to be running things.

FYI,
retard, I asked people not to post it when they began doing so. I did
not drop a ban until someone (accidentally) posted it yet again after
my third warning, this one threatening a ban for the next one who did
it.

This is not "retroactive," Obot."

I spend way more time than I should debating the left, and I almost always win because I calmly stick to facts and reasoned argument rather than getting emotional and spouting unsupportable, wild statements as they do. I could easily do the same here.

You need to take a closer look at yourself and what's happening here. It does no good to dismiss your own responsibility.

Posted by: cadillac short at October 12, 2008 08:24 PM (ha0qn)

125 Oh please, you are the same group of people who propagated "Clinton's death list" selling cocaine out of Mena airport, and all the other bullshit that happened under Clinton.
Now that the American public has dismissed the whole conservative agenda and the sane Republicans have at least turned independentwhat do you expect but to be left with a bunch of mouth breathers?
I guess you get to reap what you sow

Posted by: piggy at October 12, 2008 08:25 PM (i5D30)

126 So you're suggesting McCain just punt the crazy mutant vote, and let the opposition have them all?

Crazy mutants vote when not confined, you know.

Posted by: Potosi Joel at October 12, 2008 08:26 PM (TPRbZ)

127 I don't think Cadillac Short is a concern troll.

I also wonder if some of the retards are astroturfing. Not all of them, mind you. I'm not denying that every "side" has idiots.

Posted by: Olaf Krell at October 12, 2008 08:26 PM (fL104)

128 OT -- Two things: 1. What's LGF got to do with this?

2. Does anyone know if Rachel Lucas' blog was hacked? I tried to visit her blog earlier and got a 404 and some gibberish. Now when I go, I get nothing.

Posted by: baxtrice at October 12, 2008 08:27 PM (QtEAK)

129 Why would it make McCain retreat from talking about Ayers? Did I miss something? Is Ayers a Muslim or Arab? We KNOW he was a domestic terrorist. I really don't give a shit how long ago it was either. The fact that he and his wife are unrepentent is repulsive to say the least. If McCain was hanging out with William Ayers, all bloody hell would break loose. Sigh.

Posted by: kimberly at October 12, 2008 08:27 PM (Rpam5)

130 I changed you, sandy burger. Does that count for anything?


Posted by: Bart sees dead people at October 12, 2008 08:27 PM (sF2fI)

131 What is the probability that these guys in question at McCain's events are Democratic plants?

Posted by: Cedric at October 12, 2008 08:27 PM (rM8m0)

132 Posted by: ace at October 12, 2008 08:20 PM (1WR4H)

Hey Ace, did it ever occur to you that McCain supporters at a rally know they are under a microscope and would never feed the media a layup? They infiltrate the fucking RNC convention, do you think they'd hesitate to infiltrate a McCain rally and grab a microphone? I wpouldn't be so quick to slap that broad brush around.

The Right will NEVER really be free until they stop worrying with the media says. That's what the Left does to control the Right and too many on the Right are quick to play their game by their rules.

Posted by: TheBigOldDog at October 12, 2008 08:28 PM (0oAW0)

133 And it wasn't through the sheer force of my rage.

Was it through the sheer force of your schwang? If so, piggy above needs a good dorking in the squeak hole. Stat!

Posted by: dave at October 12, 2008 08:28 PM (pKT9T)

134 If there is any truth to the babysitting thing, it could explain why Axelrod first tried to sell the "Their kids go to school together" angle. He knew he had to tie the relationship to the kids somehow.

Posted by: MayBee at October 12, 2008 08:29 PM (lAE3K)

135 Edit to my last post, 146:

McCain should call them out as plants, even if they aren't.

Posted by: Cedric at October 12, 2008 08:29 PM (rM8m0)

136 My main concern is that McCain is going to turnOctober into the Bob Doletm Defeat with Honor Campaign.
Well, I spoke with Bob Dole recentlyand he said "Bob Dole thinks that John ought to open up thatcan of whoop-ass he's been saving"
I agree with ace that we need to not Bartman this election by interfering with McCain's overall electability, but - jeebus - McCain's *got* *to* *start* *doing* *something* - hell, *anything*.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at October 12, 2008 08:29 PM (GuX8p)

137 Baxtrice--

Earlier today, when I went and looked at Rachel's blog, the main page was from September of 2007. I went back about 20 minutes later, and Rachel had posted "WTF happened to my blog?"

There were no comments, so I tried to comment, and got the 404 error message.

I went back later, there were 2 comments, but I still got the 404 message and couldn't read them.

It's been blank for a couple of hours now.

Posted by: Hurricane Mikey at October 12, 2008 08:29 PM (OmIEH)

138 It never ceases to amaze me how many folks will readily jump on board to critique Ace's choice to delete or hide a post or to ban a commenter. Perhaps, you are honestly concerned about Ace and his co-morons and want them to be bold or, perhaps, nobody has ever hit you with a switch from a pear tree...either way, it's Ace's ball and he can take it home any time he damn well pleases.
If you don't like the censorship, well, take it to your union officicals.
Oh, that's right. There is no official moron-union. Until there is, Ace calls the shots around here.

Posted by: jmflynny at October 12, 2008 08:30 PM (RrKQ0)

139 I'd bet at least 75% of them are agents provocateurs, actually.

I agree. Most of them are Obama plants. If these assholes are yelling "Kill Him" at a rally were arrested or detained, I bet they would lead right back to Obama's front door, or at least Moron.Org.

Posted by: BillyBob at October 12, 2008 08:30 PM (v9vTw)

140 Ace, it does make sense to just ban the words XX (whatever the name is) and any variants normally used to get past foul language filters. Is that possible.
It only takes one rotten apple to ruin the whole basket. One spammer. One Cloward-Piven. Somehow we have to fire-proof our systems.

Posted by: justincase at October 12, 2008 08:30 PM (52dPV)

141 And it wasn't through the sheer force of my rage.

There's no rage, here, my son; it's righteousness.



Posted by: Bart sees dead people at October 12, 2008 08:30 PM (sF2fI)

142 Ace, I have been involved in conservative politics far longer than you, and I probably represent it far better than you. Control your rage and think for a bit. Do really think you persuade anybody but the already committed when you rant about insignificant refuse such as Andrew Sullivan? Or emote over the latest polls.

Concerned I am. Troll, I definitely am not. Conservatism is the voice of quiet reason and fact. Try to act like it at least once in a while.

Posted by: cadillac short at October 12, 2008 08:31 PM (ha0qn)

143 It's not 1% at lgf.
It's more like .00001%.
But it's a growing problem and spreading all over the 'net.

The concept of "moby"ing has now passed from the 'net into the mainstream and maybe now to actual events.

Maybe it happened, maybe not, I'd keep your eyes on the stories about the so-called shouters. This seems to be a case where only one reporter with an agenda witnessed something that other reporters did not.

Obama is still a socialist who would take the last dollar from my wallet and hand it to someone else. Let's not beat ourselves over the head, or give up, because someone from the other side may be doing damage.
btw: I think the Obama "girlfriend" story is a trap. You gotta take what the Brits say with a shaker full of salt.

Posted by: ec marm at October 12, 2008 08:31 PM (OafAW)

144 One of the things that used to differentiate "us" from "them" involved a notion of absolute right and absolute wrong.

We were absolutely right, they were absolutely wrong.

Now its "they are wronger than we are", or "we are not a wrong as they are".

I say bullshit. I am not less wrong than the are. I am right. They are wrong.

And some of the "they" that are wrong are flying the same colors as I am and that is scary.

Posted by: Larry Sheldon at October 12, 2008 08:31 PM (OmeRL)

145 Looks like I missed all the excitement, so let me drum up some of my own in response to the following sentence fragment so many are completing:

"The reason we are losing is because -"

Bullshit.

There are a hundred reasons "we" are losing. And most of them are probably valid to one degree or another. Although none of the really operative ones include anything about whether or not Obama is a Muslim.

Let me say this about that though -- I winced every single time Ace referred to Obama as Barack Hussein Obama. My friend: you reap what you sow. It may have been unintended, but in highlighting his middle name for whatever reasons, you opened a door for those conspiracy-minded retards on the Right to find a home on your site, and for those softer-headed retards already on your site to wonder "Gee, I wonder what that means -- is he saying Obama is a Muslim?"

Now, for those that would point at a guy like myself who can't bring himself to vote for a piece of shit like McCain, and blame me for McCain's failings -- well fuck you all and the happy dumb elephant you rode in on.

I don't go out there and tell all my friends and family not to vote for him. I tell them that if they want a giant step to the left, vote for the Maverick. Or they could vote for Obama, who will likely be a worse president than Carter and FDR put together. It's up to them to decide their poison.

Likewise, after the primaries, I didn't go arguing with a bunch of the die-hard "vote-for-the-lesser-evil" types about their votes for McCain. Hell, when Palin was selected, I started to get a little waffly myself. The last 2 weeks have removed any doubt I had though. Be that as it may, I'm perfectly content to accept that you all have many good reasons to vote for McCain, so I don't mix it up.

Either way, we are well and truly fucked for the next 4 years. And probably for the remainder of our days as a republic, given nobody with the means to do something about it seems terribly interested in keeping crooks, illegal aliens (I know, I repeat myself), dead people, invented people, and the Dallas Cowboys from voting early and voting often.

This is my opinion. You can like it or not, but you damn well better accept that there are at least as many good reasons I have for it as you have for why "we" are losing this election. So stop already with your whiny-ass rationalizations for why McCain is losing an election to a candidate with deep personal ties to a racist preacher, an unrepentant terrorist,
a Socialist organization like ACORN whose GOTV efforts are flat out
criminal, a convicted mobster, and the Chicago political machine in
general.

What did I tell you all about the dangers in nominating a man with such huge negatives within his own base as John McCain? And why the media was so interested in making him our candidate? It was because only against those sorts of negatives would a candidate like H.R. Clinton have a chance. Little did we know then that an even worse candidate was in the offing.

The only man sleeping easy is Bob Dole. He is about to lose the dubious honor of having run the most pathetic passive-agressive Presidential campaign ever.

Posted by: krakatoa at October 12, 2008 08:31 PM (/FUhT)

146 Hell - I'd settle for Johngiving mea Sledge Hammer -esque "Trust me, I know what I'm doing"

Posted by: BumperStickerist at October 12, 2008 08:32 PM (GuX8p)

147 #117 >No one has a "right" to disrupt a rally.

You've heard of the 1st Amendment? It was in all the papers.

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 12, 2008 08:33 PM (KOkrW)

148 Ace, will you grant me permission to use your remarks?
I'd like to synch them up with an old movie clip involvingDer Fuehrerin his bunker..................

Posted by: fulldroolcup at October 12, 2008 08:34 PM (n5xaw)

149 I thought Ann Althouse debunked the whole thing about the woman calling Obama a terrorist? Ann Marie Cox (deliberately?) posted an inaccurate transcript of the Q&A. Yes, she called him an Arab, but considering he has an Arabic name, I don't see how that's that big of a deal. He also may not be a Muslim, but certainly is a Muslim-sympathizer, working with Project Islamic HOPE in Chicago, being close with Farrakhan and Rev Wright himself being a Muslim-sympathizer. It is not a stretch to think that Obama himself may be a closet Muslim.

But I agree that throwing these things out there when there are so many other substantiated problems with Obama is hurting out side. Of course, if the media was doing their damn jobs, we wouldn't have that problem.

And I think that's the rub with most people. They have gotten so pissed off upon learning all this stuff about Obama and further pissed off that he is getting a pass and getting away with brushing these people off like they are nothing, when any Republican would have (rightly) had his/her career and political life ended by any ONE of the things about Obama, people lose all rationality and simply ... well... lose it. I have been there myself. I am pissed off beyond belief about all this stuff and cannot believe this man whose political life has been filled with nothing but communists, marxists, racists and terrorists still even has a political career.

That is absolutely enraging.

That said, I agree with Ace about the whole thing with the Obama GF story. However, it's probably best to no longer print rumors and only print the stories when things can be confirmed and there is no risk of legal action again him.

Also, instead of putting up with these people spamming the comments, either just delete their comments, ban them and move on or do that in addition to reporting their IP address(es).

Going back to what I stated first, I thought that Ann Althouse debunked the "terrorist" thing as a left-wing sham smear by Ann Marie Cox. Rick Moran had it at his site.

Posted by: Michael in MI at October 12, 2008 08:34 PM (s0Zrm)

150 RE: Hurrican Mikey --

Well at least I'm not crazy.

Posted by: baxtrice at October 12, 2008 08:34 PM (QtEAK)

151 MayBee: Ayers/Dorhns kids have to be much older than obama's.

Posted by: dave at October 12, 2008 08:34 PM (pKT9T)

152 Posted by: Cedric at October 12, 2008 08:29 PM (rM8m0)

I'm glad somebody is thinking.

Here's my response: "Senator Obama wants to associate me with some people in a crowd who may or may not even be my supporters. Yet, he does not want people to question his long and close associations with people like Ayers, Dohrn, Wright and Rezco. Senator Obama can't have it both ways. "

Posted by: TheBigOldDog at October 12, 2008 08:35 PM (0oAW0)

153 Cedric, I am 100% sure in my own mind that the agitators at the McCain rallies were Obot plants. I come from the 60s and it's just standard textbook agit-prop tactics. As, I am also sure, were the ones that started the shouting when it rolled out. Someone posted earlier that if he were running the rally, he would have gotten an ID and done some research. Not sure if they can do that, legally, but it would almost certainly point to the truth.

And, ya know, I liked Sarah's response the best -- maybe a week ago? She looked at the guy and said something like "God bless you, sir, my son is fighting so you can have the right to say that." MUCH better than McCain's response, but that's to be expected.

Posted by: CB at October 12, 2008 08:35 PM (9Wv2j)

154 "Do really think you persuade anybody but the already committed when you
rant about insignificant refuse such as Andrew Sullivan?"

No, but it's funny anyway. That's why some of us come here: not for dry political analysis but because it's a fun place with (usually) a good crowd. And hopefully for lesbian porn.

Posted by: Dave J at October 12, 2008 08:35 PM (qsGH+)

155 And.

Much as I hate to be mistaken for somebody that agrees with Obama, things like the mythical girl friend, the missing birth certificate, and so on really are pointles (at the very best, pointless) distractions.

There is enough real stuff in what hes has learned from his mentors, in what he has said he planned to do (all iterations) to rip him apart. Whether he is or is not a Moslem is not even very important, in the scheme of things.

Posted by: Larry Sheldon at October 12, 2008 08:36 PM (OmeRL)

156 Sorry, Ace, but you're wrong. The people shouting stupid things at rallies are random jerkwads, who've never met McCain in their lives and who McCain would run from if they got anywhere near him. And yet the media puts their antics on A1.
Obama's jerkwads are close associates and the media ignores it; calls it "racist" to mention it.And should we mention the video on The Corner today of leftist NYers flipping off people marching down the street with McCain signs? Will that be on A1 on Monday?
The problem is that in this media environment Republicans have to 99.999999% well behaved while for the Democrats 45.1% will do.

Posted by: Bubba at October 12, 2008 08:36 PM (Oi0e7)

157 Dave J.
You know us well.

Posted by: jmflynny at October 12, 2008 08:37 PM (RrKQ0)

158 Ace, first of all your are wrong and playing into the rules that are jiggered to MAKE Democrats WIN.

The rules are, anything said that is not the least bit laudatory about a Democrat, particularly a non-White Democrat, is "racist."

Thus McCain is "racist" according to Lewis. Criticizing Fannie/Freddie and the enablers is "racist." Everything is "racist."

Including highly effective ads such as Jessie Helms "Hands" ad or Lee Atwater's brilliant "Willie Horton" ad. Neither of which are or were racist.

It is IMPERATIVE that Republicans show the inner contradictions of the Democratic coalition -- White working/middle class piece of the pie gets smaller so others get larger, in Michelle Obama's words.

I don't understand WHY NOT push the contradiction of Affirmative Action helps (mostly Mexican Immigrants either legal or illegal since they are the largest group in numbers under AA) certain groups, who always vote Democrat, and hurts White working/middle class voters? I don't understand why NOT call Obama a terrorist, since he hangs around with so many of them? Ayers, Khalid Shalidi (sp?) and that other guy, from the PLO.

Politics ain't beanbag -- anyone put in a PC tizzy about that stuff, after Rev. God Damn America, who Obama could no more disown than the Black Community or his own typical White Person Grandmother -- would never vote Republican anyway.

After all, the most vile disgusting things were said about Sarah Palin, her baby, her marriage, her other children, etc. so why worry about this stuff?

When you play by PC rules, you strap yourself to the Ladies of the View, who determine what is acceptable and what is not. You GUARANTEE LOSING. Cause Barbara and Joy and Whoopie all determine what is in bounds and what is out of bounds.

It's time IMHO to man up and fight back. Say who and what Obama really is. Create an "undernews" as Kaus puts it that makes people afraid of Obama.

WRT any possible girlfriend or affair, IMHO that is simply not productive since it would if rumored widely or even worse, confirmed, only guarantee a wave of women voting for Obama. Since women LOVE the "Big Man" and Alpha guys get away with anything. Look at Clinton -- higher ratings with women AFTER Monica Lewinsky.

Not that it is "un-PC" to discuss any possible GF, but rather unproductive. Since it only gets more women's votes to Obama.

McCain sucks. He was handed the election with Jeremiah Wright, and Trinity United, both of which indicate that Obama has a deep hatred of White people who make up the majority of this country, however politically incorrect that fact may be. McCain refused to take advantage of this for fear of being called "racist" and being un-PC.

Posted by: whiskey at October 12, 2008 08:37 PM (4878o)

159 There's no rage, here, my son; it's righteousness.

Eh, we're talking about different things. Elections are won by appealing to the squishy middle who, unfortunately, get their facts spoon fed to them by the media. Appealing to these people is very difficult, and it isn't done by coming across ugly.

Does that count for anything?

Don't worry, Bart. Our bromance is still rockin' solid.

Posted by: sandy burger at October 12, 2008 08:38 PM (drTGT)

160 Republicans and conservatives bill themselves asthe party of grown ups. Acting like a bunch of liberal college morons will not appeal tothe base or anyone else for that matter.
Bush proved that acting like liberals when itcame to spending and education will not bring any liberals into the party and will only shrink the base. There is a lesson there.

Posted by: Shrug at October 12, 2008 08:39 PM (/DlqX)

161 I see the same thing on this site with regard to the financial meltdown. Over and over I see posts and comments blaming Barney Frank and the Dems of being the bad guys - as if the Republicans were powerless to stop them. It sounds like a mirror image of Kos. Wasn't Bush in charge of the government as president with Republicans in charge of the Executive branch for the past eight years? Weren't the Republicans in the majority of the House and Senate for much of the last decade? The comments I see make it look like the Republicans were completely powerless to stop ANY of the things that helped cause the financial meltdown. What a joke.

Posted by: markytom at October 12, 2008 08:40 PM (z40Gy)

162 I try and I try and I try. I give and I give and I give. Nobody appreciates my brilliance and nuance.

Posted by: Sandy Vagina at October 12, 2008 08:41 PM (2vLkB)

163 The spamming etc is exactly why it is impossible to have a rational discussion about anything.

Out door knocking someone brought up Odinga and Obama. I didn't know anything about it, so googled Obama-Odinga-Kenya. Trying to sort the chaff from the wheat, trying to tease out what is valid criticism and cause for concern, and what is noise and distraction.

The basic facts that Obama went to Kenya, was very visibly in support of Odinga, spoke out against the suppression of the free press, etc. After the elections, there was an outbreak of post-election violence, triggered by Odinga supporters, with a decidedly anti-Christian tinge. Contemporaneous reports state that at least 1,500 were killed, at least 500,000 displaced, and mass murder took place.

In yet another example of an abdication of courage and real leadership, Obama was curiously quite about the post-election violence upon his return to the US. For someone who seeks the highest office in the land, had no problem speaking out while at Odinga's side in Kenya, purports to be a strong advocate of democracy, he (Obama) should have spoken out loudly and forcefully against what was happening in Kenya.

I have yet to find any evidence of Obama courageously taking a stand to condemn what happened.

This is yet another example of Obama's alliances and allegiances and friendships raising more questions and concerns than it answers.

It is yet another example of Obama's failure on the tests of courage and leadership.

Yet, if the Odinga issue get raised, it will be spun and used as a weapon against the McCain campaign again, and somehow cited as evidence of "racism".

I don't know how to answer that. I can not agree that silence and refusal to ask hard questions about Obama's political alliances helps the cause.

John McCain WAS right to ask, "Who is the real Barack Obama"?

And we must continue to ask, and peel back the layers of carefully contrived public relations wrapping that is the Obama presented.

But we must do so with decorum, and by asking valid questions, demanding answers, not launching into ad-hominem attacks, slurs or aspersions that have no basis in fact.

Posted by: PumaPrincess at October 12, 2008 08:42 PM (igeNx)

164 Man after reading all those posts, I just have one question to ask:

Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego?

Yeah.....

K

Posted by: Kestrel♠ at October 12, 2008 08:42 PM (GY6TN)

165 I think people are getting frantic because we have no way to reach people who only listen to the MSM. That's the perpetual problem here. Does anybody know if there are people in the MSM like the Hollywood closet conservatives? It makes sense for a reporter to be afraid to bring forth stories that aren't 100% air-tight. Is there something we can do to win over the hesitant ones? I'm thinking of the CNN guy who reported on Ayers. Any way we can protect people like that and in so doing encourage others to do the same?

Posted by: justincase at October 12, 2008 08:42 PM (52dPV)

166 Ace, if you were David Axelrod wouldn't you have someone do EXACTLY what you say the spammer is doing?

Looks to me like it worked. The double standard for republicans is simply absurd. The 'angry' people on the republican side aren't costing us votes. Show me a single person that has said "I was going to vote Republican but now I'm going to vote Obama because of an angry person at a Republican crowd" and I'll show you an Axelrod Astroturfer.

How come all the angry people on the Democratic side never cost them any votes - evah? This whole 'angry Republican' issue is nothing but BS designed to get people like you to give up.

Did someone tell you that fighting evil is easy? Evil can't ever be defeated Ace - conversely it can only win if the people fighting it quit. Continuing to fight is all there is.

Here is something I have learned about life: when everything looks dark and sh*tty - when life stinks - it is because I had my head up my @ss.

Run your story - quit acting like some Kos Kid who just had his allowance cut.

Posted by: Veteran330 at October 12, 2008 08:43 PM (ylhEn)

167 I'm sorry, but I just can't stop laughing. as soon as I scrolled down and saw comment # 179 I became hysterical. Suddenly, I had the same urge to point and laugh as the time I was driving a rented U-Haul and a guy pulled up alongside of me and started jerking off.
Same exact response.
Dude, if you could only see me now.
I am soooo pointing a laughing at your little dick.

Posted by: jmflynny at October 12, 2008 08:43 PM (RrKQ0)

168 Ace -- I think you're being targeted, this blog is being targeted; to look foolish with this story. What I've read so far from Googling it, is it's a Non-starter. Unless someone's got some stone cold evidence.

Charles at LGF went through this with the Birth Certificate truthers/troofers.

Posted by: baxtrice at October 12, 2008 08:44 PM (QtEAK)

169 So McCain has repudiated the more wild eyed 'supporters', by calling Obama a good and decent man. And has Obama said one thing at all about all the claims of racism that are coming fast and furious lately? Has he fired one across the bows of the more idiotic sites, like the Atlantic, for Sullivan's obsession with Trig Palin's parentage?

And who's up in the polls these days?

Posted by: DngrMse at October 12, 2008 08:44 PM (3Do+E)

170 #162: That's utterbullshit.
No one has the right to disrupt a public event.
When you go to a Broadway play, do you have the right to shout at the stage during the performance? NO, YOU DON'T.
Do you have the right to tell your boss he's an asshole if he votes for Obama? NO YOU DON'T. He can toss you out on your ass ina heartbeat.
Nor do you have the right to shout anything you want at a political rally -- especially if you are interfering with the speaker and the purpose for which he/gathered all those people.
What kind of fuckwit conservatives are we becoming that we don't understand that Free Speech means only that the government can't prevent you from speaking, at your own event, through the press,or on your own soapbox--- and thattossing you out of an event for disrupting it is NOT a violation of your free speech.
Geez, with pussies like that, it's no wonder we lose.




Posted by: fulldroolcup at October 12, 2008 08:44 PM (n5xaw)

171 Every group has their morons, the Democrats moreso than the Republicans. However, when a Democrat says something stupid, the MSM will just lay low and cover it up. "Oh, I didn't hear it that way so I didn't report it.?" etc.
What you had this week was some people say some stupid stuff and it was worthy of numerous editorials and front-page articles. That's the only difference and it will always be that way, until the MSM so totally embarasses itself, that no one pays attention to them any more. This election ought to do that.

Posted by: Jim T at October 12, 2008 08:44 PM (BVnDs)

172 Ace, did they ever ID those who were shouting muslim, kill him, etc at the rally? Were they really Republican/McCain supporters? Any names?

Posted by: CDR M at October 12, 2008 08:44 PM (TJoU6)

173 Ace said: "But I do know he's been forced to soft-sell it now, because of the "Arab Muslim terrorist!" shouters."

I respectfully disagree, Ace. McCain could've just as easily renounced what she said without sayin' Obama is trustworthy and not scary and without pullin' truthful ads.

Obama does it all the time when some lefty moron says somethin' that makes him look bad.
He just says "that person doesn't represent my views", even when that person may very well represent his views but is just to stupid to say it in a nuanced way.

Sure the MSM will play it over and over, but McCain doesn't hafta choose to be on the defensive, because the MSM will make shit up if they can't find a moron anyway.
If McCain chooses not to attack Obama about the truth then that's his choice.
The moron old lady doesn't have that much power, and the media will continue to lie no matter what happens.
McCain needs to focus on getting the truth out, regardless, and quit tryin' to convince people that Obama ain't dangerous to liberty.
In fact, by overreacting McCain is giving that stupid old lady power over his entire campaign, and don't think the Left doesn't notice.
McCain needs to accept the fact that the Left and the MSM hate him and will try to destroy him as long as he opposes Obama. Period. He needs to quit playin' their game and fight to win! Period!

Posted by: USS Ben at October 12, 2008 08:45 PM (cHiwS)

174 It's all about the media narrative.

The MSM doesn't report the vilest of the leftist rants against Bush and Republicans because they're in agreement/laughing along. When someone on the right starts throwing bombs it reinforces their belief that the right is populated by closed-minded, uneducated hate-mongers.

So when Obama's big-time bundlers from Code Pink invade and interrupt the RNC, etc. it goes unreported. When the lone nutter calls Barry a muslim terrorist at a McCain rally it will dominate the news cycle for a week.

We all know the cocksuckers in the media play by these rules, and it's frustrating as hell. So why the fuck should anyone enable the media by offering up idiotic, counter-productive soundbites they can replay every hour on CNN, MSNBC, et al.?

There's plenty of legitimate issues in Barry's background to sink his run at the Presidency. Playing to the media's stereotypes of Republicans only impedes the effort to air the troubling and FACTUAL skeletons in Obama's closet. And now that some of those issues are finally being covered - albeit in the gentlest possible way - the right-wing asylum starts shitting the bed.

To steal a phrase from Barry-O - we need to cut with a scalpel, not a hatchet. Smart, rational presentation of the facts regarding Obama's connections to Ayers, ACORN, socialist political parties, Rev Wright still have time to impact the election. Hollering lies will only lead to your average voter tuning out any "negative" information, because they won't be bothered to separate wheat from chaff.

Republicans are the adult party, remember? Tantrums don't win you respect or admiration from a crowd.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at October 12, 2008 08:46 PM (4ZOxD)

175 Why does McCain do this shit?
McCain to appear on Letterman

http://tinyurl.com/46x86d
After the crap he took from him when he had to cancel? Does he not realize the questions are going to be:
How did your handicapped wife feel when you cheated on her?
Doesnt it go against your honor to have a criminal as your VP?
I.Give.Up.

Posted by: Iwillnotsubmit at October 12, 2008 08:47 PM (JjMjU)

176 "Why doesn't Mccain have the balls to say so? Shit, Even Bill Maher got
out of his chair and into the face of a guy heckling his show. Why
can't war hero McCain?"

Don't you think his "temper" would then become an issue? Not a valid one, but an issue nonetheless?

Posted by: Ann at October 12, 2008 08:48 PM (c3H+i)

177 192 Ben? Ben? Iss dot yoo?

Posted by: lukemcgook at October 12, 2008 08:48 PM (1hkXr)

178 You know what?Go over to You Tube and watch the video of the older white man in Wisconsin telling McCain about "having our heads examined" for letting this country slide into socialism. Go there, watch it, and then witness the comments that are being levelled against the video and what the libs are saying about it. It is a non-stop fest of them accusing the man of racism, bigotry, being a hate mongerer, being "white," being "uneducated", being a "redneck" (and therefore ALL Republicans are rednecks, as we all know).
A white man speaking with frustration, passion, and anger does not amount to hate-speech! The man said nothing racial! It's sad the assumptions and the way that he is demonized by comment after comment. And here is Ace saying that we should "avoid" certain types of language and such (which I agree with, especially about the use of the N word) BUT how can you really think that it is going tomake any difference when you clearly see the process on the left of throwing out all these accusations ad naseum? They have bought into that "air of superiority" line of rhetoric of the left - hook, line, and sinker.
My take is that I will be angry and vocal in whatever way I want from now until the day I die because we will be damned-if-we-do and damned-if we-don't and I as a white male have been trying to live in this toxic atmosphere perpetrated by the left's mentality. I grew up in the south Chicago suburbs, I never hated blacks - there is good and bad people of every race. I think that a good deal of commenters using the N word are simply what we've discussed 0 agent provacateurs right out of Alinsky's playbook. Trust me, I've checked many a YT account to verify. They are there to astroturf this sentiment of right wingers being KKK. What Ace fails to mention is that you really can't say ANYTHING because whatever you say will be ridiculed in some way by these freakin nutjobs.

Posted by: Kyle P at October 12, 2008 08:49 PM (fn8qZ)

179 I can't even imagine the left having this discussion. The difference between the right and left couldn't be more stark.

Posted by: toby928 at October 12, 2008 08:49 PM (PD1tk)

180 Accept it or don't. Seems pretty obvious. He stopped the moment they began.

Somebody is always going to shout something untoward. That's a given. If you are going to change your entire campaign because of it, then I don't know what to say besides the obvious: McCain has a problem.

Posted by: dave at October 12, 2008 08:50 PM (pKT9T)

181 "And if they really gave a shit about winning..."

Well, that the twist in the nipple, ain't it. They don't care about winning. There are a certain number of people in both camps, people who's ideology trumps all, including reality and results. I'm a conservative because in my short time on this rock the conservative outlook proves closer to reality and results in many situations. There are those that only have belief in the ideology as a guidepost. For the a-political, I'm ok with that; they don't really have a need to express themselves and if they're voting conservatively I know that the country will be ok in the end. However, the rightie ideologues that have to shout and stab everyone in sight are assholes before they really are conservatives. If, for some odd reason, a democrat proposal actually turned out to be a successful solution to some solution, I'd have no problem with changing my mind. The ideologue would not.

Ace, it may come to the point of commenter registration someday. If and when that day arrives, maybe you could implement Guy Kawasaki's test as part of the registration?

http://electricpulp.com/guykawasaki/arse/

Posted by: adamthemad at October 12, 2008 08:50 PM (aVVGO)

182 " Nothing I have seen here has been less intemperate than some of Ace's attacks on Sullivan, so where exactly is this line that some claim to be so clear?"

Ahh....the rationale for Cadillac's posts reveals itself.

You can find RAWMUSLGLUTES over at the Atlantic if you are looking for sympathy, Caddy.

Posted by: Jack M. at October 12, 2008 08:50 PM (eOEgY)

183 Ace, you act as though us voters on the Right don't have an alternative. We do!
If McCain doesn't toughen up on Obama, and call him what he is - an outright Fascist/Socialist - we may just vote for Libertarian Bob Barr. He and his running mate Wayne Root have no problem calling Obama a Socialist.

Posted by: Eric Dondero at October 12, 2008 08:52 PM (QDWrg)

184 #92 - why will this be a rough couple of weeks for Dick Morris? I didn't get the connection.
I read another report about that Odinga election that said Obama was interfering with their election so much that the Kenyan govt. complained to the State Dept.
Don't know if that's true or not, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were....

Posted by: jana at October 12, 2008 08:52 PM (vSRlG)

185 "Nothing I have seen here has been less intemperate than some of Ace's attacks on Sullivan."

WTF are you talking about? Some douchebag spam-troll engaged in a poor man's denial of service attack isn't equivalent to even the most vicious rant.

Posted by: Dave J at October 12, 2008 08:53 PM (qsGH+)

186 smells like somebody died

Posted by: johnny ringo at October 12, 2008 08:53 PM (PD1tk)

187 Been coming here a long time, seen about it all I think. The good, bad and dirty Asian whores. But I must disagree on this post and think comment 184 is spot on.

Posted by: Cowtipper at October 12, 2008 08:53 PM (1pTqt)

188 #162

Why yes, yes I have heard of the First Amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the
freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people
peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of
grievances."

Congress is not abridging their right to free speech; the rally organizer is eliminating a disruptive asstard.

Posted by: butch at October 12, 2008 08:53 PM (XmBa2)

189 "Republicans are the adult party, remember? Tantrums don't win you respect or admiration from a crowd."

Simple as that.

Also, we have to remember McCain's political instincts. We can all decide exactly what he should say in each circumstance but until we develop a mind ray, it doesn't matter. He will react to the stimulus as himself, not as we'd want him to. So let's not give him the stimulus that makes him say the things we hate.

Ring a bell, the dog salivates. Go over the top, McCain says "bipartisanship". Just the way it is.

Posted by: counter at October 12, 2008 08:54 PM (8/0ME)

190 Journalists are up to no good again. The lady at the rally was incorrectly quoted. She said "can't trust," not "scared."

Below is from http://althouse.blogspot.com

'The video shows that Ana Marie Cox did not transcribe the quote
correctly. It's not: "I'm scared of Barack Obama... he's an Arab
terrorist..." It's: "I can't trust Obama. I have read about him, and
he's not he's not he's a uh he's an Arab." "Terrorist" is simply not
there. The McCain quote is a bit off too. He says: "He's a decent
family man citizen that I just happen to have some disagreements with
on fundamental issues." Don't pin "terrorist" on the little old lady in
the audience, and don't pin "whom" on the presidential candidate.'

Posted by: exsocialist at October 12, 2008 08:54 PM (ng8Rp)

191 From McCain's perspective, he has to be wondering how much harder he wants to try if it's only going to f-up his personal legacy because his caucus is full of idiots that shouldknow better.
Right or wrong, Dem plants or racist idiots...McCain will not allow himself to be tarnished by this mess.

Posted by: Shrug at October 12, 2008 08:54 PM (/DlqX)

192 #196: when Ronald Reagan said " I paid for this microphone" he did it in a way that brought him admiring applause and his candidacy a boost.
McCain should be prepped on how to similarly deal with the provocateurs in his audience.

Posted by: fulldroolcup at October 12, 2008 08:54 PM (n5xaw)

193 >Nothing anyone has seen here has been less intemperate than some of your pathetic attacks on Sullivan.
Those have been attacks of the highest of quality, dipshit.
Those who have mentioned the difference in threatment by the MSM are right. Those on the left are free to be children. We have to be the adults in this process. We have to play it smarter and straighter. Because the MSM is run by those same children.

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 12, 2008 08:54 PM (CrSOk)

194 .....and with a swift blow the one known as cadillac was no more.

There was harmony again, but the walls of AoSHQ are thin and the rabble will be back, yes, returning again and again.

The vigilant stand for the rest. Watching....

Posted by: Scribe o' Spades at October 12, 2008 08:54 PM (Am6n/)

195 First off, great site. It gets updated by the nanosecond, and pretty much puts Drudge to shame as far as scoops.
But the reaction to someone posting a name sees (to me) over-reaction. But it's your site, no one elses, and you can and should run it the best way you see fit. It takes like two keywords and .0769 seconds to find the name at google anyway.
-
The story itself will do nothing to hurt Obama, and even if it were true, and he admitted it were true, and was seen on the news picking up his clothes off the lawn in Chicago, the only thing it would do would raise his daily gallup score a point (I'm fairly certain). And the clip right after him picking up his clothes, would be some "man in the street" interview talking about what a great family man he is.
We're in bizzaro world people! John McCain could walk over to him at the next debate and shoot him in the head, and polls would show Obama won the debate.
This election is in the bag.
End of ramble.

Posted by: Jim at October 12, 2008 08:57 PM (8Zg8W)

196 Ace, why are you defending yourself?
Seriously. Because it's become perfectly clear that there are some who aren't so much trying to convince you of a different point of view as much as they are damned determined to put you on the defensive.
Stop wasting your valuable skills on those who seek to distract.
Your regulars do not expect perfection nor do we ask that you hold yourself accountable to us. No one is going anywhere because you deleted a post or banned an asshole.

Posted by: jmflynny at October 12, 2008 08:59 PM (RrKQ0)

197 Ace...seriously, you have either been drinking the Kool-aid or you seriously need a MANpon
Get a grip for crissakes.
Number one....even though all of us think you are the center of the universe, you aren't *sigh* but I digress...
Everyone except some nutbag lefty knows that in any group of people there will always be tools and fools. And anyone that thinks otherwise shouldn't be allowed to cross the street by themselves. Do you need to tell people that their stupid views are incorrect? Yes.
Do you need to go screaming it from the rooftops? No...because it doesn't actually represent anyone and you are giving it more credence than it deserves or would otherwise get and as I already stated anyone with an IQ above room temp. in a cheap motel room on a cold day knows that frickin' fact...
So...once again....get a grip.
And as for your assertion that that is why "McCain is losing"....we'll see, won't we?
I'm just not ready to throw in that towel yet...are you, really?
Instead of showcasing the three nuts that McCain has at his rallies [and who are they really? Are they like the fainters that obama hired until it became such a joke and then you notice all of a sudden people stopped fainting...what are the odds?]...why don't you start showcasing the three thousand nuts that Obama has on his staff.......

Posted by: christmasghost at October 12, 2008 08:59 PM (aUut1)

198 YOu know who this helps? Mitt Romney

Posted by: huge hewitt at October 12, 2008 08:59 PM (q/4sw)

199 No one is going anywhere because you deleted a post or banned an asshole.

Word

Posted by: toby928 at October 12, 2008 09:00 PM (PD1tk)

Posted by: cadillac short at October 12, 2008 09:00 PM (XHgfM)

201 Your regulars do not expect perfection nor do we ask that you hold yourself accountable to us. No one is going anywhere because you deleted a post or banned an asshole.
Actually, we are regulars because Ace does a good job of keeping his site reasonable and free of the insultingBS.

Posted by: Shrug at October 12, 2008 09:01 PM (/DlqX)

202 cadillac short: You have now convinced me you are a troll. Go away.

Posted by: dave at October 12, 2008 09:02 PM (pKT9T)

203 Hi lukemcgook! Aye, it's me!

Posted by: USS Ben at October 12, 2008 09:02 PM (gIH3C)

204 #224: What a fucking child.

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 12, 2008 09:02 PM (CrSOk)

205 "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice"
Barry Goldwater, San Fransisco, 1964.
Buck up here.
The ONLY reason this is an issue is because the MSM covers for the nuts at KOS and Barry's team is trying to make it an issue.
Don't throw our folks in the ditch. Throw their folks in the ditch.
Ace, take another drink and chill out.
Kemp

Posted by: kempermanx at October 12, 2008 09:02 PM (2+9Yx)

206 Funny thing is that Cadillac is not a lefty and not a troll. But he is making a terrible argument. Ace has chosen to deal with posts whose content he disapproves by asking posters not to post such things. For Cadillac to say "well, you *should* have run your blog entirely differently so that posters would know *a priori* which things are impermissible," is ludicrous. It's just false on its face. Ace tells people not to post stuff. You don't need all the fancy-pants reasoning at that point, jackhole.

Posted by: Olaf Krell at October 12, 2008 09:03 PM (fL104)

207 My problem, Ace - this is not where
important discussion takes place. Increasingly it is where the
emotionally unstable establish our own looney right.

Your PROBLEM, Cadillac, is that you are being disrespectful to your host. It's simple manners that most people used to learn when they were in training pants. I'm sure you are needed over at the "important discussion" sites. Why don't you stop wasting your time here and go discourse with your betters?

Oh, and btw, Ace, cleanup on aisle 217 . . .

Posted by: CB at October 12, 2008 09:03 PM (9Wv2j)

208 "Posted by: USS Ben at October 12, 2008 08:45 PM (cHiwS)"

We have a winner.

Posted by: Ann at October 12, 2008 09:04 PM (c3H+i)

209 I can't express myself clearly in writing any more. It all made sense in my head.

Posted by: Olaf Krell at October 12, 2008 09:04 PM (fL104)

210 The media was ready to pounce on these provocateurs instantly -- it's almost as if they had their stories ready and were coordinator with the Obama campaign.

A smart campaign would have a plan to expose these Obama plants and turn it around. Problem is, McCain probably thinks 75% of his audience at these rallies are racist. It's obvious McCain just does not like Republicans.

Posted by: Cedric at October 12, 2008 09:05 PM (rM8m0)

211 Why is it that so many of the newbies here...the most argumentative....have supplied a website address to suggest that they, too, are bloggers, yet when you click on their handles the site addresses are bad?
Hmmm.

Posted by: jmflynny at October 12, 2008 09:05 PM (RrKQ0)

212 New 217, rdbrewer: sorry, man, I was referring to the former post 217. I like yours, I like it a lot!

Posted by: CB at October 12, 2008 09:05 PM (9Wv2j)

213 Just a hint - block the IP. If not in iptables, block it in the hosts_deny file
Also maybe - using mod_security, or maybe a wordpress addon, block those two words from the website.
I'm out

Posted by: Jim at October 12, 2008 09:06 PM (8Zg8W)

214 Wow bring me down

Posted by: Greg at October 12, 2008 09:06 PM (l84UN)

215 helpful tips for JM:
use the Rocky theme
sarah needs to profess being a NASCAR fan
the middle class doesnt care about $5K health care, corp tax cuts, small business help, etc. they are only focused on themselves in SIMPLE terms..that is why barry is resonating with that 95% BS. jm needs to COUNTER AND EXCEED.

Posted by: el guapo at October 12, 2008 09:07 PM (sdn2M)

216 Well said Ace. The nitwits are an embarrassment and only hurt the cause of the Republicans. Yet the angry left are off the charts ad the media acts if they don't even exist. .

Posted by: Tobias2012 at October 12, 2008 09:07 PM (7eW0O)

217 Olaf...."Funny thing is that Cadillac is not a lefty and not a troll."
You know Olaf, if it walks and posts like a lefty troll it probably is. Would you know otherwise for sure?

Cadillac...you are an idiot.

Posted by: christmasghost at October 12, 2008 09:07 PM (aUut1)

218 ace there is one point you are missing in all of this. Yes there are some asses here, but if you look at any political change that has happened it was precipitated by anger. Anger at how the things are. Now, the trick is harnessing that anger. Some do it bloody, like totalitarian regemes and some do it peacefully like Martin Luther King Jr.

The interesting thing it that they left was angry first and didn't handle that well and now the right is angry so there is no clear path to political and social change. I for one like that some on the right are finally pissed off and angry. So far, I think things have been done well by the right in controlling that anger. Now can it be harnessed properly, that is the question.

Posted by: David at October 12, 2008 09:08 PM (HAdov)

219 "Funny thing is that Cadillac is not a lefty and not a troll. But he is
making a terrible argument. Ace has chosen to deal with posts whose
content he disapproves by asking posters not to post such things. For
Cadillac to say "well, you *should* have run your blog entirely
differently so that posters would know *a priori* which things are
impermissible," is ludicrous. It's just false on its face. Ace tells
people not to post stuff. You don't need all the fancy-pants reasoning
at that point, jackhole."

Huh? That would suggest that standards and tone are not possible. You are wrong. The host sets the tone clear boundaries. When the host himself is erratic, confusion is sure to follow.

I don't take Ace or his blog at all seriously, but I do have concern about the damage it does to conservatism. It really has become the mirror image of DU, and at some point some leftist L'il Beaver is going to parody this site.

Posted by: cadillac short at October 12, 2008 09:09 PM (ha0qn)

220 helpful tips for JM:
use the Rocky theme
sarah needs to profess being a NASCAR fan
. . .
Not bad, el guapo.

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 12, 2008 09:10 PM (CrSOk)

221 As an agnostic conservative lurker- Obama is not a terrorist, he merely employs them.

Posted by: Darkkan at October 12, 2008 09:10 PM (XB2s0)

222 I always miss the big dustups.

Find it ironic that the asshole calling Ace 'intemperate' was granted so much of Ace's time and energy in this thread, even after it was pretty obvious that Cadillac was plucking Ace's nerves on purpose.

Posted by: lauraw at October 12, 2008 09:11 PM (DbybK)

223 At the end of the day it's Ace's site. He can do anything he fucking pleases with it.

K

Posted by: Kestrel♠ at October 12, 2008 09:11 PM (GY6TN)

224 Christ, I'm more concerned with how completely unhinged people are over this election than I am over O-man knocking off a strange piece of tail. In my immediate family, a political discussion came to blows (OK, someone lobbed a roasted chicken across the table) this weekend. (No, it was not me. I was holding back, waiting to throw the cranberry sauce.)

The polarization alone creeps me the fuck out.

Even scarier: the unhinged whackjobs on the left are expecting overnight change if their man is elected. When they don't get it, then what happens?

Posted by: CrankyProf at October 12, 2008 09:11 PM (waYsO)

225 at some point some leftist L'il Beaver is going to parody this site.

They lack the wit to pull it off

Posted by: toby928 at October 12, 2008 09:11 PM (PD1tk)

226 how do you know they're Republicans? Sure, the Democrats don't hold the patent on wackos, but wouldn't it be convenient to have a few people foaming at the mouth while you, David Axelrod, are trying to push a news cycle of 'Republican Rage'?

Posted by: seyont at October 12, 2008 09:12 PM (FcR7P)

227 ACE: Help us out here. If you agree with this idea, promote it, because from your website it will get legs. In the Service (75th Reg,3rd Batt) when we "were behind" we did 2 things: We called for reinforcements and "did something different." I think McCain needs to solicit and confirm selections for his Cabinet, then campaign alongside them while addressing specific questions with specific answers. The genious in this is two-fold. A) Obama will have to respond by naming names. We saw a problem with that during his Veep selection process when one after another said "no thanks." B) Each Cabinet choice can attack and reform "for the people'. Examples: Rudy can say 'as Atty General I'll go after the corrupt and get your money back", and Mitt can say "As Treaury Sec I'll reform Banking" and Ridge could say "I'll Secure the borders" and on and on. Also, they could split up to cover more ground with Sarah pairing up with one and McCain going to another state with others. And voters will see the whole package, making Obama look weak. I BEG YOU, ACE, to take this plan of attack and promote it to your colleagues. It's a winning strategy, and time is running short. Regards.

Posted by: Nostradamus at October 12, 2008 09:12 PM (Ra89L)

228 Posted by: Nostradamus at October 12, 2008 09:12 PM (Ra89L)

Clever, and well worth a try

Posted by: toby928 at October 12, 2008 09:14 PM (PD1tk)

229 "I don't take Ace or his blog at all seriously, but I do have concern about the damage it does to conservatism. It really has become the mirror image of DU, and at some point some leftist L'il Beaver is going to parody this site. "

Hey Cadillac, you know who DOES take this Blog seriously?

The House and Senate GOP Conferences.

You see, they issue a Press Secretaries notebook to every Press Secretary in the House and Senate with a section on "Blog Outreach" for the members.

And of the 15 Conservative sites selected, AoSHQ is on the list.

How many lists have you ever made, Cadillac? Besides the ones that require you to notify neighbors should you move into a neighborhood.

Posted by: Jack M. at October 12, 2008 09:14 PM (eOEgY)

230 I can't even watch football now; Obama ads running nearly constantly here in NC.

Posted by: Rob at October 12, 2008 09:14 PM (MFCvv)

231 The basic fact is that the nutjob protestors coming here screming a single insult have in fact trepassed to do it. The right to free speech ends when you step on my property.

This blog is Ace's property as mine is mine.

If I wanna play in Ace's yard it's by Ace's rules.

Posted by: Old Dog at October 12, 2008 09:14 PM (CRC5/)

232 He's been posting here for ages. I went back and looked at his post history. He doesn't seem like a troll to me. In fact, I knew without looking because I remembered his name from other threads long ago.

Let me amend that. He doesn't seem like a lefty concern troll. He certainly has his own dogged point of view and is being a bit of an antagonistic nuisance in promoting it, but I don't think that makes him a troll by the standard definition.

Can I be *sure*? No, not 100%, but I'm pretty darn sure.

Posted by: Olaf Krell at October 12, 2008 09:16 PM (fL104)

233 It really has become the mirror image of DU


lol...snow. I thought you were maybe a halfway serious poster until that one. Go away now little man.

Posted by: Silk at October 12, 2008 09:16 PM (3yTTg)

234 David said:
"So far, I think things have been done well by the right in controlling that anger. Now can it be harnessed properly, that is the question."
Not if McCain keeps kissin' Obama's ass. First of all, Mccain needs to admit to himself that Obama is the enemy he is fightin' and ignore the distractions (like the stupid old lady).
Second, he needs to listen to his base. The majority of folks at his rallies keep sayin' "fight for us", "stop Obama and the democrats", "name names" etc.. All good advice!
Now is not the time for McCain to reach across the aisle!

Posted by: USS Ben at October 12, 2008 09:16 PM (ygSR5)

235 If you think this blog influences the House and Senate Republicans you're as delusional as the DU DUAC clowns.

Posted by: cadillac short at October 12, 2008 09:16 PM (ha0qn)

236 jmflynny...."

Why is it that so many of the newbies here...the most
argumentative....have supplied a website address to suggest that they,
too, are bloggers, yet when you click on their handles the site
addresses are bad?

Hmmm."

If you are talking about my site it's because for some reason ace's site put minx.cc in front of my URL...so don't blame me. Try typing it in yourself....of course that's only if you were talking about me.
Otherwise...never mind
www.christmasghost.com


Posted by: christmasghost at October 12, 2008 09:16 PM (aUut1)

237 Barry is running ads during football in NYC.

This is... pissing money, fast.

Posted by: someone at October 12, 2008 09:17 PM (2z2WN)

238 What's so difficult about following the host's rules?

If you came into my house and flaunted my rules I would ask you nicely to behave in the manner I demand from my guests. If you continued to wave your dick in my face I would tell you to get the fuck out. If you refused to leave, I would calmly retrieve a shotgun and bust you in the chops with the buttstock. Next comes the muzzle in your mouth.

My house, my rules. Grow the fuck up. Nobody likes a self-righteous prick when they're clearly in the fucking wrong.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at October 12, 2008 09:17 PM (4ZOxD)

239 "I can't express myself clearly in writing any more. It all made sense in my head.

Posted by: Olaf Krell at October 12, 2008 09:04 PM (fL104)"Oh, God, I SOOOO know that feeling.

Posted by: Ann at October 12, 2008 09:17 PM (c3H+i)

240 Actually about 50% of LFG's commenters are knuckleheads - same with Hot Air and Michelle Malkin (why did she add comments in?). There are few great commenter sites out on the internet, this being one. Tim Blair is another, Protein Wisdom another, etc. But the really gigantic blogs tend to have a high noise to signal ratio.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 12, 2008 09:18 PM (0+Ggj)

241 Obviously Wooten is Trig's father and they're trying to silence him by not getting him fired.

Posted by: Darkkan at October 12, 2008 09:19 PM (XB2s0)

242 Cadillac, the host has asked you to leave.

Posted by: lauraw at October 12, 2008 09:20 PM (DbybK)

243 Hmmmm.

@ Ace

Or it could be an Obama *plant*.

Because God knows liberal Democrats -never- pretend to be anything else in order to sow dissension, make fraudulent news stories or make conservatives and Republicans look bad on the 6 O'clock news.

Posted by: memomachine at October 12, 2008 09:20 PM (f4Zt4)

244 I may or may not have the hots for Sullivan's power glutes.

Posted by: cadillac short at October 12, 2008 09:20 PM (VtTWu)

245 #188 Nor do you have the right to shout anything you want at a political rally -- especially if you are interfering with the speaker and the purpose for which he/gathered all those people.

care to quote a statute?
Didn't think so.

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 12, 2008 09:21 PM (KOkrW)

246 You know who doesn't have to put up with this crap?
Glenn Reynolds.
Of course, his site is not much fun withouta comments section.

Posted by: jmflynny at October 12, 2008 09:21 PM (RrKQ0)

247 Baron beat me to it....

Posted by: lauraw at October 12, 2008 09:21 PM (DbybK)

248
249-CrankyProf,

Perhaps something like this-

http://tinyurl.com/4o6apx

Posted by: politicalmuse at October 12, 2008 09:21 PM (kLKnf)

249 lol...Guys...if that is the same cadillac, he's a parody of himself and is probably more fun to just stand back and laugh at than to bother with in any other way.

Posted by: Silk at October 12, 2008 09:22 PM (3yTTg)

250 Seems like the dude posting the name is gone. Hopefully the problem is solved.
We need a way to speak privately to McCain when we want to tell him to buck up. Ace, do anyMcCain strategists keep in touch with you, to keep a finger on the pulse out here?
I'd really like him to know about the Cloward-Piven Plan and my belief that Obama could have the power to break America - especially considering Putin and Ahmadinejad. He might be "nice" for his own reputation, but I think his wife has the right attitude: "You mess with my son, I breaka your face."
He needs to know the PUMA's and a lot of us support him because we see it as sudden-death overtime with certain loss if Obama is elected. He HAS to come through if he loves this country. We need him. He needs to fight for the America he learned to love when he was deprived of her. The same people who tortured him for 5 years have come to get the rest of America. We mustn't lose.
Also, the PUMA's talk about polling internals. Is that available to regular people? I see damaging stuff to Obama and then his numbers go up and all I can think is that somebody is messing with our minds.

Posted by: justincase at October 12, 2008 09:23 PM (52dPV)

251 Barry is running ads during football in NYC.

Local or national?

If he's running local ads in NY, he's seriously fucked, and he knows it.

Posted by: Dead Career Sketch at October 12, 2008 09:24 PM (5hxyn)

252 Sketch, I agree. I smell desperation.

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 12, 2008 09:26 PM (CrSOk)

253 Keep on keeping on Ace, I love ya. That is all.

Posted by: George at October 12, 2008 09:26 PM (e9HVb)

254 #252
I asked last night why in the hell he didn't have Fred and Guiliani and crew out on the campaign and PaRep ripped me a new one.
I still say...let them do and say what McCain himself does not.

Posted by: jmflynny at October 12, 2008 09:27 PM (RrKQ0)

255 rdbrewer,
thanx bro. the trick is getting the info to the front lines. i dont have that connection, so I hope ACE will do it. but besides rocky theme and nascar fans, jm MUST come up with a MIDDLE CLASS RELIEF THAT THE WILL FEEL. and jm can say "I feel your relief or solution, etc"...there are guys smarter in this stuff than I who can say it better

Posted by: el guapo at October 12, 2008 09:28 PM (sdn2M)

256 Sketch, I agree. I smell desperation.

Anyone seeing these ads outside of NYC?

Posted by: Dead Career Sketch at October 12, 2008 09:28 PM (5hxyn)

257 The only way to actually ban someone is to have comments be "members only" a la LGF. (and even then they can get back in when registration is open)

I prefer Ace's freewheelin method, but his site may be getting too popular and well known (especially with lefty trolls, mobys, astroturfers, etc.) to remain so easy to comment on.

Posted by: right at October 12, 2008 09:28 PM (EquV1)

258 jmflynny, I really couldn't agree more.

One thought: it could be that Guiliani will come into the game when McCain rolls him out as his future AG (fingers crossed).


Posted by: counter at October 12, 2008 09:29 PM (8/0ME)

259 "Huh? That would suggest that standards and tone are not possible. You are wrong. The host sets the tone clear boundaries. When the host himself is erratic, confusion is sure to follow."

It would suggest no such thing. No matter how exacting, "standards and tone" are going to be violated at times. Surely you know this. To deny it would be foolhardy. No matter if Ace is erratic and profane, or is Aristotle, people will push the boundary. Subsequently, Ace may say "posting X is unacceptable," and those who have violated the standard are put on notice. To later say "X logically followed from Ace's tone (hereafter, 'Y')" may be true, or it may be false, but it is missing the point. To say that it is somehow *unfair* or *erratic* for Ace to say Y, but to prevent others from saying X only logically follows if we accept all your other assumptions, which I daresay you haven't proven at all.

Take your own medicine, cool-logic man.

Posted by: Olaf Krell at October 12, 2008 09:29 PM (fL104)

260 I often wonder whether some of those 1% were simply planted by Obama in the crowed; almost like the "Iron My Shirt" kids that Hillary Planted.

If you got to YouTube. You can see several videos from Obama fans who were actually in the crowds.

I'm not into conspiracies; maybe I'm just too naive to think people on our side are that dumb.

Posted by: Devil's Advocate at October 12, 2008 09:30 PM (/S5Jw)

261 A s for the obama ads during football games- keep the remote handy for MUTE. I'm doing it for ALL ads.

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 12, 2008 09:30 PM (KOkrW)

262 Ace, did it occur to you that maybe a good number, if not the vast majoirty, of these racists are sockpuppeters?
It's not like liberals have access to our conservative blogs, rallies, etc. and would dare pretend to be someone else if it helped their cause.

Posted by: toetotoetotoe at October 12, 2008 09:30 PM (X8Omj)

263 Yeah, we were seeing them in Dallas... during the end of the Cowboys-Cards game. I don't know about this evening on ESPN.
tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at October 12, 2008 09:31 PM (X9MTa)

264 You know what this blog needs? A nice overnight/haiku thread.

Yes, yes it does.

Posted by: Vinnie at October 12, 2008 09:31 PM (m1cXD)

265 I'm with you on the "girlfriend" BS.
Thing is, by simply giving a Conservative viewpoint we are labeled as hate mongers. Yes we have some loons, but nothing like the left-which the MSM deliberately ignores.
I also agree such people should not be tolerated on blogs. We pride ourselves on self policing-something the left will not do.
As for the "terrorist " claim, FWIU only one person heard it, and it was a far left member of the MSM. Could he not be lying seeing as how they are openly campaigning and lyingfor him?
Remember the the NASCAR "sting" they tried to pull? It wouldn't be the first time they have tried to claim we are the ones inciting hatred while they are the onesguilty of doing so.
Check Michelle Malkin's site to see what I mean.

Posted by: Hard Right at October 12, 2008 09:31 PM (dcuIX)

266 Nostradamus, I think having Fred, Rudy, etc at the convention really helped. Your idea is a good one. I hope someoone forwards it to McCain. (Is there a way to do that?)

Posted by: justincase at October 12, 2008 09:31 PM (52dPV)

267 Can't stop cadillac short psycho stalker types - they have infinite time and are cuckoo nutbar crazy.


Posted by: 13times at October 12, 2008 09:32 PM (iER3w)

268 Ace, Its going viral, you're linked up at LGF.

Posted by: MrPaulRevere at October 12, 2008 09:32 PM (0YHCv)

269 Ace,

How do you know these people were on our team? They could just as easily be members of Obama's team raising a false flag operation. The trolls and astroturfing are out of this world this election cycle. That guy the yelled "terrorist" could have been an obama plant. seeing that Ayers was hiting home Obama's team might have tried to get the "angry man theme out there" I think the MSM reaction to the comments was too tied together for it to be a random act. And the fact that once person was close to the mic to yell that is also telling.

Like with the obama story your workingh on. You should get proof that it is our side before placing blame. The comments on LGF could have also been done by those that wanted to do the site harm.

Posted by: unseen at October 12, 2008 09:33 PM (aVGmX)

270 So all Hussein O had to do was send his agitators to MCain/Palin events and the media koolaide drinkers and half the people on here fall for it. Kind of makes it the cheapest stunt Hussein can pull off. What a bunch of mental midgets (on here), and they actually think they're smart.

Posted by: Scrapiron at October 12, 2008 09:34 PM (8nB5X)

271 well done Ace,
Our team really needswhat seems incredible restraint, we Know these are trying times. We know Obama would be bad for American. But we must be credible , truthful (we have enough) , only firmly tell the Truth,we don't have to make up one thing or elude to anything that might be questionable information to win.
We can win, let's keep our heads.

Posted by: willowone at October 12, 2008 09:34 PM (8nB5X)

272 I've got the game on here. No O! ads so far.

Posted by: Dead Career Sketch at October 12, 2008 09:35 PM (5hxyn)

273

Wanna know why we're losing? Wanna know why McCain had to make a
statement about Obama not being dangerous and being a good and decent
man?
Because you geniuses embarrassed him with your stupidity and compelled him to say that.Bullshit. Just Bullshit. Once you concede the ground that says McCain is responsible for every single one of his supporters we've lost. The Huffers can post assassination stories about Dick Cheney, the Kos Kids go on about Prescott Bush being a Nazi, the NYT publishes a McCain-is-cheating-on-his-wife-wink-wink story without any solid evidence, and all of it without mention from Obama. That's without even dipping into the pool of putrid slime that is the Truthers (Steel doesn't melt. Google it!). A few anonymous nuts on the right (probably, anyway - they might work for the Astroturf King for all we know) step out of line and McCain is forced to make apologies?

That attitude, my friend, is a recipe for losing. McCain will never, ever win this thing playing by those rules no matter what "a fairly prominent blogger" does. Look what happened to Palin in about three week's time - they threw so much shit against the wall it didn't matter if it was all bullshit. The news cycle moved on and the mushy middle was left with the vague aftertaste of petty accusation.

Obama's closet is full of skeletons. From Wright, to Ayers, to CAC, to Fannie Mae, let's-lose-the-war, ACORN, voting "present". If McCain doesn't start hammering away people who don't pay much attention will think none of it is a big deal or just forget about it. He's not losing because he has a few idiots supporting him - he's losing because he's worried someone, somewhere, will accuse him of racism. It makes him look weak, like maybe he wonders if he's unconsciously using secret whitey codewords.

Posted by: Ace's liver at October 12, 2008 09:36 PM (xDwoq)

274 Ace.....even though I recently teased you mercilessly...when you have time could you figure out why your site puts minx.cc in front of my URL?
I swear I will never tease you or disagree with you ever ever again....k?


[It's because you need to enter "http://" in front of the URL.]

Posted by: christmasghost at October 12, 2008 09:36 PM (aUut1)

275 As far as I know,the rules are kind of libertarian, kind of like the law of the west. . . say whatever (atyour own risk)as long as it doesn't cause harm, and stfu ifthechief says so?

Posted by: estee at October 12, 2008 09:37 PM (51h4I)

276 Restraint is laudable. But, just when does Mencken's exhortation become applicable? As they legislate our speech? When they tax us into Euro-socialism? How about when they steal an election, or politically indoctrinate our children, or ignore our borders, or come for our guns? Should we wait until we are led to cattle cars?

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at October 12, 2008 09:39 PM (wba6w)

277 Cleanup in deleted gf thread, post #99, kind of a sneaky one this time

Posted by: CB at October 12, 2008 09:39 PM (9Wv2j)

278 It's not a code. More of a guideline really.

Posted by: Captain Jack Sparrow's Crew at October 12, 2008 09:39 PM (m1cXD)

279 Oh, exactly like #304 in this post. Smite that bastard . . .

Posted by: CB at October 12, 2008 09:40 PM (9Wv2j)

280
It is easy to understand the frustration when the press is in league with a red diaper baby in straight drag that has a base philosophy so frightening it's a life or death struggle to wrest from them the very fabric of the republic and constitution.
The reactions and comments on a blog that lets you say "FUCK" out loud are to be expected under such duress.
Please not to slander anyone while your at it since it's the humble host that must bear the weight of such actions. Then just where would the world be without this sparkling gem of frustrated Esprit de Corps?

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at October 12, 2008 09:41 PM (F1b/5)

281 Posted by: Ace's liver at October 12, 2008 09:36 PM

Completely agree.

Posted by: Michael in MI at October 12, 2008 09:42 PM (s0Zrm)

282 I have a question or rather several of them. Is it not true that a threat on the life of a President or candidate is a Federal crime that the Secret Service takes very seriously and has even prosecuted blog commenters for the violation of?If so, the "Kill him" shouts at any type of campaign rally must surely be at the single worst time and placeas the Secret Service is all over the place. I cannot therefore, believe that the Obama campaign has set about people to yell this particular statement. Nutjobs on the left or right to be sure, but not likely campaign operatives.
My second question is: given the above, what exposure does the speaker at said rally have along the incitement lines, if he continues to, say, make attacks that could be construed as whipping up the fervor?

The exposure of a non-public name is only one of the risks here. Coming into someone’s blog and exposing them to risk of lawsuit or worse, is beneath rude.

Posted by: Robert at October 12, 2008 09:42 PM (Rb4Qc)

283 Captain Jack, that was MY line first, you know.

Posted by: Dr. Peter Venkman at October 12, 2008 09:42 PM (qsGH+)

284 Holy Shit!
This site is starting to get the number of comments the commies are getting.
ACE, you have awakened the masses!
Looks like a good pay check for our boy! More valu rite please!
Have I told you about Herbal Life?
Kemp

Posted by: kempermanx at October 12, 2008 09:42 PM (2+9Yx)

285 I get Ace's post, but can someone give me the nutshell for dummies version so I don't have to read 300 comments. Pretty please?

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 12, 2008 09:42 PM (1cqur)

286 Ace, check out Mark Steyn's latest post at The Corner. He refers to Sullivan as "the Head of Obstetrics" for the Atlantic. Heh.

Posted by: Jim62sch at October 12, 2008 09:42 PM (ubHgw)

287 I agree with Ace's liver.

McCain shouldn't allow himself to be cowed by the tut tutting of the hypocrites in the MSM.

All they need to do is speak the truth. There's no shame in that/

Posted by: Nice Deb at October 12, 2008 09:43 PM (9Ghzz)

288 #303 game set match

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 12, 2008 09:43 PM (KOkrW)

289 Let's say I grant that McCain stopped talking about Ayers because of what one old lady with a dose of Arab confusion told him about a town hall meeting. It doesn't mean he's changing his tone because of a few troll commenters on a blog, even a popular one. I think this is an odd and quixotic crusade you've chosen here, Ace. But it's your blog!

Posted by: mcg at October 12, 2008 09:44 PM (ejhPJ)

290 justincase: I sent it by both email and on their comments link to McCain Headquarters. But if there's one thing I learned in the Service it was that you don't stop firing to see if you hit your target. you stop firing when YOU'RE SURE you hit it.

Posted by: Nostradamus at October 12, 2008 09:44 PM (Ra89L)

291 I'll let Ace decide if this is anything, but it seems to me if the little old lady/arab video got so much attention, then a rich Obama backer saying Christians are the reason the GOP is dying before our eyes deserves some attention too.

http://tinyurl.com/44nma6

Posted by: koopy at October 12, 2008 09:45 PM (bL4cA)

292 With respect, Dr. Venckman, we pirates were around way before you ghostbusters were.

Posted by: Captain Jack Sparrow's Crew at October 12, 2008 09:45 PM (m1cXD)

293 Pursuant to the ad run- the Obama ad on taxes has run twice each hour on USA during their evening runof House... my wife has claimed the TV this evening. That means they're targeting women.
tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at October 12, 2008 09:45 PM (X9MTa)

294 Trolls are trolls (and Axelturfers are Axelturfers), but letting McCain off the hook -- even rhetorically -- is a mistake.

Posted by: someone at October 12, 2008 09:46 PM (2z2WN)

295 As for the "terrorist " claim, FWIU only one person heard it, and it was a far left member of the MSM. Could he not be lying seeing as how they are openly campaigning and lying for him?

The msm also reported that republicans were cheering when Clinton had his heartache but people attending it taped it and there was no cheering.

Posted by: dave at October 12, 2008 09:47 PM (pKT9T)

296 Ace, I am not sure this entry was a good thing. For one, if it is really people on our side, they certainly won't be reading blogs. Secondly, it suggests to the other side that they are being effective with this line of attack.

If someone posts something racist, just delete it with no further comment.

It's not as if the left is going to go, "gee, 99.99% of conservatives are decent and we shouldn't stereotype them" because we call out our idiots.

Posted by: Cedric at October 12, 2008 09:48 PM (rM8m0)

297 "Clinton had his heartache"

That made me laugh.

Posted by: Ann at October 12, 2008 09:50 PM (c3H+i)

298 Latest MSNBC headline:
"AoSWHQ disenfranchises Angry Spitting Mutants"

the angry spitting mutants should BEEPing take their goddamned pills and let the adults talk.


Sorry couldn't resist!

Posted by: Kevin at October 12, 2008 09:51 PM (FsIge)

299 So, uh, Ace, just WHEN did you realize that there are a lot of troglodytic 'murkins on the right? You're acting like you just figured this out.

...

Heyyyy, guys ...

Posted by: Knemon at October 12, 2008 09:51 PM (KfWko)

300 hey, I passed a shiny Volvo XC 90 today that was proudly wearing one of these:
http://www.dems4mccain.
info/bumper-stickers
My cars are jealous, so I'm going to order some.

Posted by: Charles Krauthammer at October 12, 2008 09:51 PM (xyyHG)

301 So, what's the rules now with the url's? I can't get a "tinyurl" to post, can't use HTTLMNOP, can't use the linky thing. What's up?

Posted by: Ann at October 12, 2008 09:51 PM (c3H+i)

302 I am sitting here remembering the good ole days of the 2004 election debacle in Florida. Those were the days when Chris Matthews showed just a bit decency and honesty. MSNBC was showing a scene in one of the voting centers and marching down the aisle was an army of grey suited Republican attorneys, looking very "corporate" they were. Itseemed to allthatthe democratic attorneys were pulling no stops and getting their way in every venue.
Matthews made a statement I will never forget: "When are Republicans going to learn how to fight to win".
I believe what seems to magnify our frustration is the fact that the general populus is never allowed to see Obama throwing the first punch. Only running behind his Mother's skirt when the schoolyard bully bites back and then he and the MSM scream "racism". It's sort of like watching the poor guy on the field who retailates and then he gets the penalty.
We have two choices (?). One is to keep quiet and let it fester. I did that last week and it doesn't work. Two, we can become our own cheerleaders and fight back. Given the current state of the economy, Bush, the slanted polls and the total disregard of the MSM toeducate the voting public of both candidates(the argument from the MSM that this was done during the primaries is bogus. Most of this country was not paying attention to the primaries), it is shocking that Obama is not up 20-25%. It is beyond comprehension that Republicans could allow the Democrats to successfully put blame for the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac catastrophe on them.
In the last two months, how many of us would have heard the name of William Ayers if it were not for Palin began taking it to Obama in her speeches. All of a sudden everyone was talking about it and seeing it on the news. Even the View had one segment trying to debunk the issue. Unfortunately, whether we will admit it or not, we all look at the National Enquirer when we are in the checkout lines. Dirt is intriguing to us.
The MSM and Dem talking heads say this isn't working for McCain. But something is wrong with their Democratic candidate and they know it. He will go up in the polls, then come down just as quickly. People do not like him for a long period of time. They are nervous and they know why. I saw a graph today on another site where someone plotted Obama's rise in the polls vs the decline in the DOW...pretty telling. I believe, as the current financial situation worsens, people will find more comfort with McCain, the devil they know.
This country has a very short memory. By 2012, all this will be forgotten.

Posted by: rookwood at October 12, 2008 09:51 PM (X3jrK)

303 From Drudge When Johnny Comes Marching Home.
"liberal mecca" indeed.

Posted by: jmflynny at October 12, 2008 09:52 PM (RrKQ0)

304 Ace, this was a great post, BTW.

Posted by: Charles Krauthammer at October 12, 2008 09:52 PM (xyyHG)

305 Hey, Drudge is showing some narrowing of the polls. Gallup 50%-43% and Monday Zogby "developing" 48%-44%.

Maybe things are lookin' up . . .

Posted by: CB at October 12, 2008 09:53 PM (9Wv2j)

306 #188 Nor do you have the right to shout anything you want at a political rally -- especially if you are interfering with the speaker and the purpose for which he/gathered all those people.

care to quote a statute?
Didn't think so.
Statutes covering such behavior generally come under
public nuisance, trespassing, disturbing the peace, etc. Why? Because they have nothing to do with "free speech".
Try this out, moron: A person at a McCain rally yells "I'm going to kill you, McCain!" And then just stands there.
Protected speech?
Or how about that idiot who got tased in Florida at the Kerry lecture? It's arguable that he should not have been tased, but the police were in the processing of arresting him, for disturbing the peace, remember?
Last time I checked he wasn't suing for violation of his free speech rights, or for unlawful arrest.

Posted by: fulldroolcup at October 12, 2008 09:53 PM (n5xaw)

307 Mccain will be introducing a new tax plan on or after monday! It sounds good.
I think it is the plan Newt Gingrich and other conservative's were talking about during the bailout.
That is a good sign. That means he is getting an economic message that he can hammer home for the last 2 and a half weeks. He should pound these policy's home for the rest of the election and let Sarah feast on obama's beaten carcass the rest of it.

Posted by: ppp at October 12, 2008 09:53 PM (zzms8)

308 Well, Drudge has the article up I was going to post. "McCain Vows to Whip Obama's Ass"

Posted by: Ann at October 12, 2008 09:54 PM (c3H+i)

309 DUDE???

Well, check this out, DUDE. I asked what I thought was a series of questions that many Americans are asking themselves as they watch the American media completely in the bag for a socialist candidate, watch their schools over-run with an NEA agenda that doesn't allow for critical thinking and watch Congress squander the national treasure on a crisis invented by and abetted by the same assholes that created it!

We are saddled with a candidate who, for whatever reason, chooses not to fight. Who chooses instead to stand on the cusp of victory and renounce those who would provide it. People don't want Senatorial collegiality, they want leadership!

If you find that disrespectful enough to address me as "Dude", you may want to grow another layer of skin, PAL.

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at October 12, 2008 09:54 PM (wba6w)

310 robert@309 "If so, the "Kill him" shouts at any type of campaign rally must surely
be at the single worst time and placeas the Secret Service is all over
the place. I cannot therefore, believe that the Obama campaign has set
about people to yell this particular statement. Nutjobs on the left or
right to be sure, but not likely campaign operatives. "
I couldn't disagree with you more..where is the guy that yelled that and why wasn't he arrested or at least detained with his picture all over the papers?
The secret service would have grabbed him if he had actually said anything like that wouldn't they? They don't just protect McCain/Palin at those rallies.
You do know that the MSM is claiming that the old lady said Arab terrorist not just Arab, right?
And the reality is...that poor old lady didn't even know where she was.....dementia anyone?
But liberals would never do that, right? It would be just like going to a nursing home to steal votes...and they would never ever do anything that low, right?
Riiiight.........
These people are plants just like the fainters and the droolers...oh wait..the droolers are real.....

Posted by: christmasghost at October 12, 2008 09:55 PM (aUut1)

311
OT-
Obama advertising in video games?
http://tinyurl.com/4gcnqk

Posted by: politicalmuse at October 12, 2008 09:55 PM (kLKnf)

312 It's also arguable that by restraining ourselves, we are letting the other side dictate the rules of battle.
I guess the choice is- fight fair, or fight to win. The other side is fighting to win. The other side has no concept of what is over the line or not. In fact, they recognize no line at all, so nothing is 'over the line'.
This is McCain's last campaign. I say, let the dogs out. What are they gonna do to him? What CAN they do to him that would make a fuck difference to him, after what he's been through already?
The media is 100% against McCain whether he hammers Obama or shuts up completely. There's nothing to lose by going all out; there's nothing to be gained by playing nice.
Oh, ace will say 'playing nice' means courting independents. Independents are squishy democrats, by and large.

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 12, 2008 09:55 PM (KOkrW)

313 Ace,

Due to the gentleman who exclaimed "I'm mad", it made clear that McCain has Not been fighting for us..It has also caused a closing of numbers in the polls. I don't know what utopian world you live in, but America is worth getting a little dirty. I hardly think some elderly woman asking if O was an Arab is that horrible...

The Daily Mail printed the girls name her picture, her story...months ago...what is your big whoop. The Enquirer has printed O's cocaine limosine experience months ago too.

It is now racist to yell USA at a rally...good job Ace, do the lefts work for them. Soon we can all cower. The rop has this kind of intimidation down perfectly.

Posted by: free at October 12, 2008 09:57 PM (cFwGO)

314 Frankly Ace, I think you're right. For those folks trying to use the "the Left does it without hurting their credibility" canard, I call bullshit. It doesn't hurt their credibility with who? Other crazy lefties? A media who does everything it can to cover for them? I guarantee it hurts their credibility with Mr. and Mrs. America, we just don't really hear about it from that same ass-covering press I just mentioned. The problem is that the same press which will often (not always, but often enough mind) cover for the Left will just as often take whatever the nutjobs on our side say and trumpet it to the whole world. So the net affect is that the opposition gets, if not a free pass, at least a pretty serious muting of their lunatic fringe, while ours is made out to be ALL lunatic fringe.

However, this has begun to change. The mask is slipping, especially after the last eight years of unhinged, vitriolic polemic flowing from the mouthpieces of the Left. There has been too much to fully cover up and an active blogosphere to bypass the more traditional media. Thus, I say again that Mr. and Mrs. America are at the very least beginning to see the insanity for what it is, and they are not impressed. Unfortunately, that's a double edged sword can cut us faster than it cuts them, so we have to have MUCH better discipline.

Now, mind, this is just one man's opinion based on what he's seen around him, but I don't think I'm too far off. What I do know is that this IS Ace's house and therefor Ace's rules. There ain't no First Amendment here, this is a benevolent dictatorship. So watch your fucking mouth! I come here for teh funny, the insightful political commentary, and the lively comment section. For the love of God, do NOT fuck this up for everyone else because you can't control your own sphinctres!

Posted by: Militant Bibliophile at October 12, 2008 09:57 PM (cXseo)

315 Ace,

There's a place already created for people to spew unmoderated and hateful comments about people they disagree with politically. It's called the Daily Kos, or DKos for short.

Paul


Posted by: Paul at October 12, 2008 09:58 PM (cy/Va)

316 TopsekretK9
ace is bummed that commenters wont behave themselves and refrain from linking to a report about and/or naming a woman who has an alleged romantic interest in the democratic candidate. Also, violent and racist statements make his blog look like a mirror of kos and du and he hopes we can be above that level of discourse. Witty and informed snark with just a little swearing and spanish lingo for spice.

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at October 12, 2008 09:58 PM (F1b/5)

317 It's called the Daily Kos, or DKos for short.

Yes, or Free Republic on the other side of the fence.

Posted by: Dead Career Sketch at October 12, 2008 10:00 PM (5hxyn)

318 Dude. If you want a more respectable blog, you're going to need a whole new set of morons.

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at October 12, 2008 10:01 PM (oWAHQ)

319 QUICK WE NEED A THREADKILLER

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 12, 2008 10:02 PM (KOkrW)

320 332
Chuck, couldn't agree with you more. Wouldn't suprise me if some of these commenters didn't know who Reinhold Niebuhr was, much less how to interpret him properly. Keep the faith!

Posted by: david brooks at October 12, 2008 10:03 PM (1hkXr)

321 Um - 10:00 pm is not me. Do you think they people flogging this are axelturfers?

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 12, 2008 10:03 PM (1cqur)

322 347
QUICK WE NEED A THREADKILLER
Will this work?
Free valu rite, aisle 3!
Good night,
Kemp

Posted by: kempermanx at October 12, 2008 10:05 PM (2+9Yx)

323 QUICK WE NEED A THREADKILLER

I totally don't understand why Ace is all upset that posts that keep identifying Obama's secret lover, Helen Thomas.

Posted by: pbrown at October 12, 2008 10:05 PM (vxGjP)

324 Quick Ace!
Throw up some gossip about Anne Hathaway!
Otherwise, this thread could go on through the morning.

Posted by: jmflynny at October 12, 2008 10:06 PM (RrKQ0)

325 Topsecretk9,
That, or the internet equivelant of monkeys who have just learned they can fling their poo and it's funny!

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 12, 2008 10:06 PM (KOkrW)

326 Thanks Beta.

Am I hallucinating or did someone do something Ace was referring to (like paste someones name) under my handle a minute ago? I caught the ID started with (viv__) or (vlv__).

If so, I'd say Ace, sounds like Axelturfers out to try and right-winginfy the story so no MSM will touch it and lord know the Axel's and Moby's do not like me.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 12, 2008 10:07 PM (1cqur)

327 BANNED, Pbrown, it's not Helen, it's her lover.
Kemp

Posted by: kempermanx at October 12, 2008 10:07 PM (2+9Yx)

328 Beto, not Beta. Sorry.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 12, 2008 10:08 PM (1cqur)

329 Wait.... You can fling your own poo??????

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at October 12, 2008 10:08 PM (oWAHQ)

330 it's quite breathtaking- i suggest you try it

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 12, 2008 10:09 PM (KOkrW)

331 my fellow real americans, can ya stand some good campaign news? check out drudge for the latest on poll trending, e.g. gallup and zogby! booyah!!

Posted by: el guapo at October 12, 2008 10:10 PM (sdn2M)

332 You can fling your own poo??????

Its all in the wrist

Posted by: poo flinging macca at October 12, 2008 10:10 PM (PD1tk)

333 No doubt they're about. All this "Anger at the rallies" with the accompanying tut-tut in the press is too coordinated to be anything but bullshit.

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at October 12, 2008 10:10 PM (F1b/5)

334 Everyone who thinks Ace is pro-defeat and a giant pussy should scroll back through to all the posts where Ace pretty clearly states McCain needs to start firing away on Obama. There are about 50 of them.

Ace is saying something different. He's saying, as a supporter, you need to put your best foot forward.

While it might be true, you seldom get laid by saying, "Nice tits, wanna fuck?"


Posted by: counter at October 12, 2008 10:10 PM (8/0ME)

335 If you find that disrespectful enough to address me as "Dude", you may want to grow another layer of skin, PAL.
Dude, why don't you link The Hostages when you comment?

Posted by: pajama momma at October 12, 2008 10:11 PM (f3xJa)

336 342yep

Posted by: funky chicken at October 12, 2008 10:11 PM (xyyHG)

337 Even though i've been following this thread and the other all day and didn't want to chime in, fuck it...here goes:
Ace is right morons, it doesn't matter what the conservative base wants, he has their vote anyway and it's not enough to win the election. He needs the moderate democrats, the pumas and the independants, thats it, bingo fucking bango.
Silly shit like what has been happening will be picked up by the media and blown out of proportion and then those people will stay home, meanwhile the obama crowd will be doing their thing and bet on it, they will be getting their people to the polls.
Listen to the man, calm the hell down on some things, let McCain work it and let Sarah work in the shiv.
I am one of those moderate democrats and I am really tempted to say fuck it, why the hell should I waste my time voting, both sides sound like babies. But you know what, I am going to vote and even more, I will help the conservative cause.
Pay attention morons, here's the fucking key to keeping Bambi out of the white house. Vote, and when you're done, take a person to the polling station, take a few, take a busload, get off your ass and get people registered, bullshit walks and only votes count. ACORN and assholes like that aren't playing around this time so get out there and make your voices heard!!!
And while ace is getting rid of shit on the blog, i don't think anyone ever forgave LauraW for that damn russian navy photo........

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 12, 2008 10:11 PM (xz/YV)

338 "At some point, if you really had something valuable to contribute, don't you think someone would have said "Great point, man!" by now?"

But that's just it. At some point in their lives, someone probably did.

That's how this sort of thing starts. Someone says something stupid, then another equally stupid person reinforces their stupid behavior by praising it. It doesn't matter if they're the only two people in the world who agree with each other, the fact that SOMEONE agrees with them is enough to convince them they're right.

Why do you think the DU the DailyKos are such cesspools of insane stupidity? Because they spend all their time patting each other on the back for voicing insane and/or stupid ideas and banning anyone who voices even a semi-rational opinion.

Posted by: mightysamurai at October 12, 2008 10:12 PM (N0Grb)

339 Jack Cashill is on KFI L.A> right now. Obama ghostwriterAmerican Thinker guy.

Stream link > http://tinyurl.com/q5gkr

Posted by: 13times at October 12, 2008 10:12 PM (iER3w)

340 Threadkiller?
Have Ace offer to do his rendition of the vagina monologues....
That should do it...

Posted by: christmasghost at October 12, 2008 10:12 PM (aUut1)

341 Would Pooflinger be a believable James Bond villain?
(That's 'Pooflinger' with a hard 'g' sound. I think it could work.)

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 12, 2008 10:13 PM (KOkrW)

342 Ace I think totally understand where you're coming from and if it was my reputation on the line I'd do the same.

Still, it would be a shame if a handful of morons effectively silenced you on a story that might prove to have some merit.

Posted by: Hartsfeld at October 12, 2008 10:13 PM (Vi57P)

343 ** "You guys are saying it's not fair to associate McCain with these people. Um, so fucking what? It's not fair. In what universe do you expect a fair media?" **
Right. Next commercial idea: text of news articles bashing McCain for the jerkwads at his rallies, followed by video of all the stupid mean extremist shit Obama supporters do, followed by ablank page symbolizing the coverage WaPo/NYT/LAT have given it.
At least that'll get the media talking about fanatical Obama supporters, maybe on the front page. Unfortunately some of the shit his supporters are doing you can't run on network TV.

Posted by: Bubba at October 12, 2008 10:14 PM (Oi0e7)

344 1% of LGF's commenters embarrassed him greatly and got him widely called a "hate site."

Got to call small technical foul on this. LGF would have been called a hate site not matter what. His site, which I am a member, took on radical Islam.

Some commenters may have gone over the edge but the moniker was pre-determined by the fight.

Posted by: Hongqi at October 12, 2008 10:14 PM (+WuMm)

345 I thought this was the sandy vagina monologue

I keed, I keed

Posted by: poo flinging macca at October 12, 2008 10:14 PM (PD1tk)

346
When you're dealing with a hostile media, you don't give them oxygen.
You don't give them the opportunity to avoid the message because some wanker wants to vent some spleen.
As conservatives, we'd all like to see someone tap dance on the Omighty's head, but when you're courting the squishy centre, that's one pleasure which has to be denied.

Posted by: lotocoti at October 12, 2008 10:15 PM (TYlAH)

347 Oops - sorry. Cashill isn't on KFI and the station has no stream.

Posted by: 13times at October 12, 2008 10:16 PM (iER3w)

348 >courting the squishy centre

OT, but isn't it a goddam shame that the fate of America is in the hands of 'the squishy centre'?

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 12, 2008 10:17 PM (KOkrW)

349 counter...
"While it might be true, you seldom get laid by saying, "Nice tits, wanna fuck?"

I'm still laughing....that's what I told my husband years ago and he didn't believe me. Now i can just show him your comment.
But then again, he is a research scientist who spent all of his time in the lab.....

Posted by: christmasghost at October 12, 2008 10:18 PM (aUut1)

350 Barry is running ads during football in NYC.This is... pissing money, fast.
Posted by: someone at October 12, 2008 09:17 PM (2z2WN)
Jeez, or the guy is so worried about something that he thinks he needs to make sure to hold Manhattan?
LOL, hey, let him spend Soros's money. As long as he loses, he's done something good for the economy.
I mean, why on earth did Barry feel the need to go all Malcolm X in Philly yesterday?

Posted by: funky chicken at October 12, 2008 10:19 PM (xyyHG)

351 Way off topic, but did NBC finally kick Olbermann off Sunday Night Football? I just watched the halftime show and didn't see him on there.

Posted by: koopy at October 12, 2008 10:19 PM (bL4cA)

352 "QUICK WE NEED A THREADKILLER"

Bring on the longbows!

Posted by: Dave J at October 12, 2008 10:19 PM (qsGH+)

353 "Dude", "man", "buddy", "pal", etc are sometimes considered a put down in the military. Might be MasterChiefPettyOfficer's reaction to "dude".

Posted by: counter at October 12, 2008 10:20 PM (8/0ME)

354 caltrops!

Posted by: toby928 at October 12, 2008 10:20 PM (PD1tk)

355 Is it too soon to start discussing longbows?

Posted by: Mætenloch at October 12, 2008 10:20 PM (Ab2VX)

356 Good grief, another coward to the PC crowd.

Posted by: JIM416 at October 12, 2008 10:20 PM (2noeT)

357 They substantially vindicate every stereotype the left and MSM has about us, and make the rest of us not only look bad, but make us squeamish from even being political associates. And they lose us precious votes.

Yeah, there are always going to be folks like that. On the other hand, you pretty much never hear those kinds of concerns from liberals, Democrats, liberal blogs, etc. It's interesting.

Of course, I think some of them are just a little out of touch--like the woman who called Obama an Arab, she was just old--some are angry, and some are plants. Trying to rabble rouse to make the opposition look bad. Anytime they start saying "kill him", I suspect a liberal plant. If you could catch that guy and interrogate him, I bet that's just what you'd find.

FDR was so chummy with Stalin in part because he had advisors who were on the Soviet Payroll, and we're giving him pro-Soviet advice . . . because they were Communists. The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.

Look, Obama is winning this thing, anyway, if the polls mean anything. I'm still voting for Palin, but . . .

Posted by: Dr. Medical at October 12, 2008 10:21 PM (NZfvn)

358 Ace

FYI -more of what I found . New Party became Working Families party and one of the founders, Obama hired as a big time in his campaign and another is Bertha Lewis - head of ACORN Nevada that was raided. Do you want me to send it to you?

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 12, 2008 10:21 PM (1cqur)

359 "Wanna know why we're losing? Wanna know why McCain had to make a statement about Obama not being dangerous and being a good and decent man? Because you geniuses embarrassed him with your stupidity and compelled him to say that."
Ace: you're letting this election get to you. Take a break and go do something fun. Get some sleep and recharge.
Keep in mind that if we had lost in 2004 we'd have lost the wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan because John Kerry would likely not have had the will to defy his party in pursuing victory. Because we won in 2004 Al Qaeda has spent the past 4 years getting its teeth kicked in and there are far fewer of those vicious thugs left. We could still lose if Obama is elected and chooses to walk away from them, but he'll have to make that decision knowing that if he snatches defeat from the jaws of victory he'll own the losses FOREVER.
If Obama is elected with a huge Democratic majority in both houses of Congress then they have to actually try to lead and manage the US government. No excuses for non-performance like they've made for the past 2 years. The next four years are going to be messy no matter who gets the Presidency. I think the Obama, Pelosi, Reid team would make a hash of it all, but for the sake of this nation (and frankly the world since everybody depends on us to some degree) I hope it goes better than that. Either way, we survived Carter and Clinton so we can probably survive Obama. If it comes to that, the GOP won't have much trouble trying to differentiate their brand.
In the meantime, let's keep fighting and see if McCain can pull it out.

Posted by: Jill at October 12, 2008 10:21 PM (LU+0C)

360 "QUICK WE NEED A THREADKILLER"Bring out the Chicago Cubs!! Oh that would be a life time fan killer, my bad
godamn them, but there's always next year.

Posted by: navycopjoe at October 12, 2008 10:22 PM (xz/YV)

361 I hate to add fuel to the fire but...
"Man At Palin Rally Displays Monkey Doll Donning Obama Sticker"
http://tinyurl.com/3j6zz5
With video and everything...

Posted by: Tami at October 12, 2008 10:23 PM (P3ErD)

362 351 QUICK WE NEED A THREADKILLERI totally don't understand why Ace is all upset that posts that keep identifying Obama's secret lover, Helen Thomas.
Posted by: pbrown at October 12, 2008 10:05 PM (vxGjP)
That's fucking nasty LOL gah
dammit, now I'm gonna be breaking out in spontaneous laughter for the next hour while I help my kid with her algebra...she's too young for the horror of
gah ugh

Posted by: funky chicken at October 12, 2008 10:26 PM (xyyHG)

363 I hate to add fuel to the fire but...

Yeah, I don't think so...

Posted by: Hongqi at October 12, 2008 10:27 PM (+WuMm)

364 Ace, I don't get the connection between:
A. The idiots shouting idiocy at McCain/Palin rallies, and
B. Why you don't want anybody to use the alleged Obama GF's name . . .
Oh.
Ohhhhhhhhh. Wow. I swear, honest to God, that never even occurred to me until just this very minute.
I guess I tend to assume that people who read blogs are like me. It never even crossed my mind that some 'tard might do a death threat or some othercrazy 'tard stuff like that. So conservative bloggers will be blamed for 'tard actions against the aforesaid alleged Obama GF.
Just for the record, to disassociate myself from any such actions: I hate 'tards.

Posted by: Nordbuster at October 12, 2008 10:27 PM (rTSfn)

365 I'd say decent chance people at these rallies are obama/media plants. Which is why its more at Palin than McCain where these stories come from

Posted by: jp at October 12, 2008 10:27 PM (skV5q)

366 It is very difficult to keep the extremists in check. However, they also have the right to be heard as long as they do so within the bounds set by the owner of the blog. Most conservatives are very angry. With the direction of the country, with the energy crisis that has cost us precious discretionary dollars, with McCain who is basically a Democrat. We're also angry that McCain won't fight Obama. We're sick and tired of Bush letting the left walk all over him without standing up for himself.

We're angry for a whole hell of a lot of things and nobody in the Republican party seems to listen.

Angry White Dude
www.angrywhitedude.com

Posted by: Angry White Dude at October 12, 2008 10:27 PM (3ifMk)

367 Hongqi,
You don't think so what?

Posted by: Tami at October 12, 2008 10:30 PM (P3ErD)

368 390 ace, 100% correct
That's kinda been my argument all along when people come on here calling McCain a eunuch because he won't go all Jerome Corsi at the debates

Posted by: funky chicken at October 12, 2008 10:31 PM (xyyHG)

369 I'd say decent chance people at these rallies are obama/media plants. Which is why its more at Palin than McCain where these stories come from
Dude, have you ever listened to a Michael Savage show? Cause that's the demographic where these people are coming from. I'd like to say that they're all Obama plants, but to be honest there are a lot of angry fringe rightwingers who talk that way on a daily basis.

Posted by: Mætenloch at October 12, 2008 10:33 PM (Ab2VX)

370 Tami....why, isn't it curious that CBS suddenly decided to do a story and they just happened to come up with that....did you read the article? Angry people at McCain rallies blah blah blah.....
Do you feel like you have been played yet?
And, frankly, my moonbat detector went off the minute I saw him. If that is a republican and not a pedophile I'd be very very surprised.....

Ace....I get what you are saying, but

Posted by: christmasghost at October 12, 2008 10:34 PM (aUut1)

371 You don't think so what?

Fuel, fire...add

Posted by: Hongqi at October 12, 2008 10:35 PM (+WuMm)

372 #391 Try this one: Just as many Racist scumbag Dems supporters out there

http://tinyurl.com/3wafx9

Posted by: someone at October 12, 2008 10:35 PM (YrCzB)

373 We could still lose if Obama is elected and chooses to walk away from them, but he'll have to make that decision knowing that if he snatches defeat from the jaws of victory he'll own the losses FOREVER.

No nono. You need to get with the MSM Template Of Truth!
1) Everything is W's fault.
2) Every problem that can't be solved is because W screwed things up so bad.

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 12, 2008 10:35 PM (KOkrW)

374 Well ACE, I just sent you the email!

end bold shouting.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 12, 2008 10:35 PM (1cqur)

375 I'm currently in my hometown of Wilkes-Barre, PA. I can tell you no one I've spoken to is going to vote for O. A lot of these people are blue color union. They may be telling people they are voting Dem but when it comes down to election day they are not going to pull the lever for O.

Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks at October 12, 2008 10:37 PM (VHoII)

376 Unfortunately Christmas, 50% of America is being played and they either don't give a rat's ass or don't know it. Scary either way, cuz the rest of us are screwed.

Posted by: Tami at October 12, 2008 10:37 PM (P3ErD)

377 Thanks for doing what you do, Ace.
McCain can tamp down the garbage without fawning all over Obama. It's wrong for the crowds to go there, but McCain is not handling it well.

Posted by: kel at October 12, 2008 10:37 PM (CnUXc)

378 sorry guys but there have been several reports of far right wing nuts with crazy signs in their bars, etc. they ain't Axelrod emoployees
The ranting "true conservative" loons seem to think that they would fit in with the Palins. Maybe Todd can round a few up for a nice asskicking?

Posted by: funky chicken at October 12, 2008 10:37 PM (xyyHG)

379 You go, Ace! You're right and it bears repeating. The Obots have been saying for months, watch out for McCain, he has an anger problem, he's gonna go all postal one of these days. So, yeah, probably a better plan to prove them wrong than to prove them right, eh?

Posted by: CB at October 12, 2008 10:38 PM (9Wv2j)

380 Ace, that was an excellent post. Thank you.

Posted by: Darrell at October 12, 2008 10:38 PM (1e0zf)

381 counter - Exactly. Where I'm from, that appellation is a sign of disrespect.

Ace - I wasn't excusing anyone's boorish behavior. I'm more concerned over a call, since the 2000 election, for our side to be "restrained". What, exactly has it garnered us? Respect and fair treatment from the media? A better informed electorate?

I think many of us, who played by the rules, sacrificed for our children and love the Republic see an ever-increasing slide away from freedom and economic prosperity. Frankly, I'm tired of our concerns being ignored and many of my friends and neighbors are frightened.

Will our side ever be allowed to "take the gloves off"?

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at October 12, 2008 10:38 PM (wba6w)

382 380
Way off topic, but did NBC finally kick Olbermann off Sunday Night
Football? I just watched the halftime show and didn't see him on there.

Posted by: koopy at October 12, 2008 10:19 PM (bL4cA)
He was last seen at a McCain rally shouting, "Kill Him!" And , "Dirty Arab Terrorist!" But, you know, he's a Republican now.

Posted by: Editor at October 12, 2008 10:39 PM (p4YSL)

383 The "Anti-Socialist Guy" is for real. I'd imagine the guys yelling "Terrorist" or "Traitor" when talking about Ayers are for real. Arab lady, ok. Tone that down, thanks. But I haven't heard a lot of tape of anything but booing (+arab lady, +Antisocialist guy). Wouldn't we have shitloads of guys on tape if this was really the problem portrayed by the deadstream media? They have cameras at every event, with tape running at all times. The TV clips always suck because they're bad parts of the speech. But the media is there with tape.

Are they failing to cooperate with the Secret Service? I mean, they're alleging death threats, and they have the freaking tape.

BTW, I have to agree, the more people who know the exact details about the precise relationship between Helen Thomas and Obama the better.

Posted by: Al at October 12, 2008 10:41 PM (Lk931)

384 Ace, if it's about Obama being in bed with Jane Doe, peon for Acorn affiliate in Hoboken, then don't print it.
If it's about Obama being in bed (figuratively)with Rezko, the Strogers, and the Acorn leadership - then drill, baby, drill.
I don't honestly give a shit who Obama may or may not be screwing; I just don't want him to screw me.

Posted by: David Ross at October 12, 2008 10:42 PM (cuBZZ)

385 cont. ...because I am a moron.....and hit the wrong key with help of the dog...
anyhoo, we all get it. It makes my skin crawl every time I see one of these incidents.
But it also makes me angry...angry that McCain's people aren't right there checking out the real ID of the idiot doing it.
This ain't your daddy's democratic party and these aren't the usual tactics anymore unless you are a gangbanger from Chicago.
It's time, if McCain wants to be president, that he learned that lesson. It's not time to make nice and shut up....it's time to start fighting back. All anyone has to do is catch one of these tools and connect him to Obama.
No one would ever believe anything "good" Obama said or did again...but they would start beliveing all the bad and very truthful things about him.Like the fact that he's a socialist. And that's the good news....
Just think of all the "fainters". Remember how long it was between the time even the MSM started noticing the phenominon until there were no more fainters?
Five seconds?

Posted by: christmasghost at October 12, 2008 10:44 PM (aUut1)

386 I'd say decent chance people at these rallies are obama/media plants.

Some may be but some are not. They're idiots who haven't figured out the difference between private thoughts and public statements, like Ace described in #390.

If we are to have a chance at success we need to recognize and confront the counterproductive behavior in our own house. Nothing weak or soft about that; it's actually much more difficult than going after the clear-cut opposition.

I want to win this election. I see a lot of common ground between PUMAs, libertarians, conservatives and moderate Dems. Maybe it's maudlin and uncool to say so but fundamentally this election is not about me and my personal quirks, no matter how much I wish the rest of you would please please just recognize my superior specialness.

It's about us - the big, long-term, Americans past-present-and-future us. And right now we are a lot more important than me.

Posted by: Hartsfeld at October 12, 2008 10:44 PM (Vi57P)

387 Of course some of the lefties at McCain/Palin events aren't hiding uncover:
Scroll down for pic:
http://tinyurl.com/43wlmj


Posted by: Tami at October 12, 2008 10:46 PM (P3ErD)

388 Well they, hey! Just let the squishy, indecisive center tell McCain what to do and we conservatives can just shut up and wait to vote.
In fact, McCain should only allow squishy centerists and undecideds to his rallies.
Definitely no stupid old ladies, or "I'm mad!" conservatives.
Oh! And let the MSM and Left call the narrative. Because let's face it, we don't need to fear Obama, because he is trustworthy and decent. McCain said so.
And let's quit shouting "USA! USA!" at the rallies too, because afterall, it just might offend a squishy centerist who doesn't wear his patriotism on his sleeve.
As for idiots on your blog, Ace, I concur wholeheartedly! Ban 'em!

Posted by: USS Ben at October 12, 2008 10:46 PM (fL1P/)

389 Yeah, well I have nothing to say here since I've said it all before and everyone just accuses me of being a lecturer. But...yeah. Ace is right. I almost hate these assholes on our side more than the ones on theirs. Because I have higher hopes for us than that.

Posted by: Jeff B. - Official Designated Pessimist at October 12, 2008 10:47 PM (OEoRy)

390 Fuck, this fight just makes me sick. If most American's are too stupid to understand that the ONE will taunt us toward Socialism, then this country is doomed. The boomers have won in the war of idea's. Those that wrote the narrative in the dark are now gonna be in power it seems. Fair enough, I will support whoever is the next president. I hope and pray that I will have the courage to speak up! And Fight. I WILL FIGHT RED UNTILL I AM DEAD!

If I am wrong about Obama's aim's as president, I apologize in advance,,

And Ace, I am sorry if this post is ill-suited for this post. I am friggin mad!

Posted by: George at October 12, 2008 10:49 PM (e9HVb)

391 Oh - so it's Daley... wait, no, I'm not falling for that.

Wait, is it Daley?

No - you wouldn't just put it out there like that.

Wait - it's Daley? Seriously?

Posted by: Editor at October 12, 2008 10:51 PM (p4YSL)

392 It keeps me warm.

Also, re this:

My larger point here is that SPITTING ANGER DOES NOT SELL and does NOT
WIN VOTES and the angry spitting mutants should fucking take their
goddamned pills and let the adults talk.

Tell it to Kos and Olbermann and Huffington and...well you get the point. Why aren't all of those fucktards the reason why Obama is losing?

I am not for an instant defending the breakers of the rules - your house, dude. But I think, well, screw you guys, I am not going to post anything that might help because of you freaks is way overdramatic. If you want to pull a story because it is too hinky even for AoS, do it, but don't blame those guys - don't blame 1 freaking poster for it.

If it isn't your bag, baby, don't do it. But don't pawn it off on somebody else.






Posted by: blaster at October 12, 2008 10:52 PM (KpEAZ)

393 Charles Johnson is an idiot. That needs to be said too.

Posted by: Mr. Kafir at October 12, 2008 10:56 PM (XnBqA)

394 Ace, give V the K an instalaunch. Either that modify his video and
post it to complain about your troubles. Maybe that would help you
avoid a nervous breakdown or something.

http://kurlander.blogspot.com/2008/10/terrible-secret-behind-best-ofs.html

Posted by: pitythefool at October 12, 2008 10:56 PM (rop3r)

395 421 ace, I'm glad I don't have to make those calls, but I will say that I wouldsupport your decision not to air it. If you did air it, I'd probably exercise my right to remain silent in its comment thread. God knows I've posted some far-out shit in my time here; I hardly need to add to my well-earned stack of demerits.
Besides Obama's such a target-rich environment, some of this can be left to the fever swamps. You'd not exactly lack for material if you left alone the salacious stuff.

Posted by: David Ross at October 12, 2008 10:59 PM (cuBZZ)

396 I agree Ace, people acting like the crazy koz kidz does nothing for our cause. Both sides have crazies but unfortunately our sides crazies get picked up more by the MSM and singled out.....
Shit, all we need is a friggin idiot to tote a gun and go off the friggin deep end over Obama. Alot a good that would do us.
Whether koz kiddiez is doing it or not it is fucking crazy.
No I don't want a socialist for President but I will be damned if I will let some asshole screw it up for us.

Posted by: SH at October 12, 2008 11:00 PM (arAyy)

397 429 Kafir, you aren't worthy of carryingCharles Johnson's jock.

Posted by: David Ross at October 12, 2008 11:00 PM (cuBZZ)

398 I saw that Tami and not a peep from the MSM. Look at the asswipes smiling, too. Look at me ... look at me ... aren't I cool?

Posted by: kimberly at October 12, 2008 11:00 PM (Rpam5)

399 Like the whole, Obama is a muslim line...he's only been attending a freaky Christian church for 20 years...you'd think he'd stop doing that if he was a Muslim.

Does he have a semi-Muslim childhood background? yes. But that does not make a Muslim.

Posted by: Harun at October 12, 2008 11:01 PM (0+HC7)

400 Someone should announce at the very beginning of a rally: Anyone yelling out "terrorist" or "kill him" or any such nonsense will be thrown out on their ass.

Posted by: kimberly at October 12, 2008 11:02 PM (Rpam5)

401 True story:

I took a piss right next to the "other brother" Daley Ace is talking about. A place with his name on it, which he seldom visited, had offices right next to where I was interning in college before I went towards finance.

I also went to the U of C while Obama was teaching at the law school. At Pierce Hall, I probably lived about 5 blocks from all the people we're talking about now.

Wacky detail. Remember the guy who talked with Fox and Friends about shaving his head when Hillary got a big primary win? College roommate of mine.

Funny thing? Amidst all that wacky shit, I don't have a single bit of dirt on any of them because I never went through a liberal phase and I spent college like God intended, drunk.


Posted by: counter at October 12, 2008 11:02 PM (8/0ME)

402 V the K? does he still think it would be better for the "true conservative movement" if Obama won?

Posted by: Charles Krauthammer at October 12, 2008 11:02 PM (xyyHG)

403 “McCain shouldn't allow himself to be cowed by the tut tutting of the hypocrites in the MSM.All they need to do is speak the truth. There's no shame in that”
Absolutely. He shouldn’t let the assholes in the MSM that are accusing him and Palin of stirring up racial resentments stop them from the telling the truth about Obama. But he has to be careful how he does it. Those are just the facts. Republicans are held to a different standard. The key is to get the information out so that it seems credible. Just because you say it doesn’t mean people are necessarily going to believe you. Especially when almost every other news outlet is tellingpeople the exact opposite. I’d recommend doing it as dispassionately, factually and in as depersonalized a manner as possible. Kind of lay it out there like Joe Friday “Those are the facts ‘mam.” (You could also feign phony concern/act confused by the info. Personally, that’s the emotionally manipulative route I’d adopt. But then I’m a Southern woman and that’s how we roll. We love to say “Bless his heart” before completely eviscerating someone. But I digress…). Next, make the case that this stuff goes to “Who is Barack Obama?” and “What kind of judgment does he have?” Two completely fair questions to ask the next POTUS. Only an Obama partisan or a loon would disagree. Then stick to your guns when the MSM and the liberals come at you like you are Attilla the Hun. THEY will look like the kooks, not McCain.

Posted by: Tversky at October 12, 2008 11:04 PM (14B+T)

404 There are idiots on both the right and the left.
Here's the difference, though: the MSM carefully keeps the leftist idiots hidden. They eagerly search for rightist idiots so they can put them on the front page.
Be careful what you say in public. The MSM will use it against you.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 12, 2008 11:06 PM (fnoZ9)

405 Oh puhleeze, stop with the "Like the whole Muslim line...".
Obama may not identify as a Muslim, that's not how the Arab and Muslim Streets see it. In Arab culture and under Islamic law, if your father is a Muslim, so are you. And once a Muslim, always a Muslim. You cannot go back. In Islamic eyes, Obama is certainly a Muslim. He may think he's a Christian, but they do not.
So, even if he identifies strongly as a Christian, and even if he despised the behavior of his father (as Obama said on Oprah); is a man who Muslims think is a Muslim, who feels some sort of psychological need to prove himself to his absent Muslim father, and who is now moving in the direction of his father's heritage, a man we want as President when we are fighting the war of our lives against Islam? Where will his loyalties be?

Posted by: Mr. Kafir at October 12, 2008 11:08 PM (XnBqA)

406 Ace, you're right. Venting is ok in some arenas; the mainstream arena, not so much.

You never see the looniest left vents on the evening news; but guarantee a whole lot of coverage if it comes from the right.

That's the handicap we have to play with. We can't play anything but fair, because the opponents have the ref's on their side.

Sucks. No wonder, all the frustration around tonight. Every time we make a good play, flags are thrown everywhere, and we lose yards. And every time the other team commits a penalty, the refs are looking the other way.

The fix, she is in...at least in the media's eyes. All we can hope for is that enough of the truth gets out, through blogs like yours, and seeps into the water-cooler conversations to make a difference. "Hope! Change! My House is Worth 260,000 less than I paid for it! And I know whose fault is is!!! Do you?"

Posted by: rick at October 12, 2008 11:10 PM (eSYBv)

407 what if she's currently being paid in a very sketchy job by a guy in daley's cabinet?What's that then?
Posted by: ace at October 12, 2008 10:45 PM (1WR4H)
that's crazy talk....it just couldn't be something that perfect

Posted by: Charles Krauthammer at October 12, 2008 11:10 PM (xyyHG)

408 Well said and well needed Ace. There are things out there which are highly substantive and which need to be drummed constantly now until Nov 4, they will gain traction.
There's there's the substanceless BS Obama would rather have us focused on.

Posted by: Thanos at October 12, 2008 11:11 PM (nAw/5)

409 Ace, perhaps you should just shut down comments for a week.

Posted by: Charles Krauthammer at October 12, 2008 11:11 PM (xyyHG)

410 knew it was viv something -- v1vlY

I bet it's Jason Leopold on a bender paid for by Axel.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 12, 2008 11:12 PM (1cqur)

411 Yeah, then maybe I can work done.

LOL.

Posted by: kimberly at October 12, 2008 11:13 PM (Rpam5)

412 ah, I see. If only I cleaned up the potty mouth.

These stupid fuckers think they're back on the Jerry Springer Show again.
I feel your concern.

Jeebers, this is so funny. It's like the old days, when Ace would go off in a comment thread on a regular basis.

God help me, I still love this blog.

Posted by: Michael at October 12, 2008 11:14 PM (qZp4R)

413 I didn't actually know her name but, strangely, I don't feel any smarter or closer to winning the election for having learnt it.
Maybe if v1vlY could tell us how warm and soft Axelrod's balls are, we could make amore informed decision.

Posted by: David Ross at October 12, 2008 11:16 PM (cuBZZ)

414 I read to 130ish, I think. OF COURSE there are idiots on our
side. Lots of 'em. Wishing it away with the Axelrod plant
conspiracy theroy is the same damn wishful thinking that got us into
this damn mess in the first place. Are there unicorns and free
lunch where you live also?



My sister and I set off the entire Republican convention in TX several
years in a row by leaping to our feet and screaming and clapping over
the stupidest of shit...just for fun and giggles. And we are
Republicans. We just recognize the suggestability of crowds and
the insanity of some partisans.



This crazy ass shit will not help us, it will heap defeat on
defeat. And thinking it isn't partially or completely from the
rank and file is just telling yourself a lie to make you feel
better. Ace is indeed correct. These idiots need to be
slapped down in no uncertain terms by the sane around them, but let me
tell you something, once the crowd starts yelling "boo" it's a wave and
it ain't just idiots.

Posted by: Lana at October 12, 2008 11:16 PM (Nf4XK)

415 Charles Krauthammer I agree. Shut them down a while. I just think that just as many Axel's are mucking up the comments sections in order to wingify them up.

Maybe registration in the short term would help.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at October 12, 2008 11:17 PM (1cqur)

416 "<i>Sometimes saying what you really think IS NOT THE WAY TO WIN.</i>"

So, dishonesty is the best policy?

Posted by: N.O'Really at October 12, 2008 11:20 PM (3rwFl)

417 So, dishonesty is the best policy?

No, dumbshit, informed discretion is the best policy.

Posted by: Michael at October 12, 2008 11:23 PM (qZp4R)

418 At the risk of sounding redundant, McCain needs to assemble his Cabinet team AND CAMPAIGN WITH THEM. There are over 20,000 Generals active/retired. (Did you know that? It's true!). Pick one, as Defense Secretary. Choose a proven prosecuter/investigator for Attt. General. Nab a proven business leader for Treasury. Then, any questions? Point to your Cabinet nominee to answer. McCain leads, they do the grunt work. Show America a winning TEAM, then ram THE FACTS down Obama's throat and make the empty suit reveal himself to all. Obama couldn't raise a similar team in short order, and in trying to he's likely to look stupid and make "A Biden Punt". ACE: I BEG YOU to promote this plan of attack. I cannot see how it can fail to produce a double-digit advance in the polls. Remember: What is bugging those in "swing States"? ISSUES. Issues like the ones these people can answer honestly with expertise, something "The One" cannot do.

Posted by: Nostradamus at October 12, 2008 11:25 PM (Ra89L)

419 The fix, she is in...at least in the media's eyes. All we can hope for is that enough of the truth gets out, through blogs like yours...

True. We're playing at an extreme disadvantage so that means we have to be that much better. Ace is doing his part and now so should we, his readers.

If that means going after the selfish oafs who insist upon putting themselves first (I'm talking to you, fighty-fight-fightin' self-proclaimed True Conservatives™) then so be it.

We need a broad coalition to win a national election. Let the fringe tantrumists know their childish outbursts will not influence the adults. Enough already.

Posted by: Hartsfeld at October 12, 2008 11:25 PM (Vi57P)

420 The difference is:

on the republican side, the 1% are the embarassment.

on the democrat side, the 1% are the DailyKos set, and they're running the show and picked their communist candidate.

Posted by: Mike at October 12, 2008 11:28 PM (oOIsu)

421 Nice, Michael. Your eloquence seals the deal for me!

Posted by: N.O'Really at October 12, 2008 11:30 PM (3rwFl)

422 Consider: Earlier today I, a fairly prominent blogger, was pushing the Obama gal-pal story, helping to get it out there.
Now I have deleted it, and will not be posting it again. I'm done with the story.
All because a nasty pathetic wretch of a "man" thought that he would show me by repeatedly spamming a name I'd asked people not to.
Just like with McCain, ready to attack Obama until retards started shouting out "Muslim" and "terrorist' and saying Obama was an "Arab."
So Ace will delete stories now based on the reactions of random nutcase trolls? Wonderful. When thelefties notice this, expect every thread with the slightest negative implication for Obama to be flooded with astroturfers and spammers until Ace cries "uncle". As for McCain, if he trulyrefuses to exploit thedamning facts about Obama just because ofloud or panicky people in his crowds, he'll deserve to lose this election. Myself, I'll believe he was "ready to attack Obama" when he describes the man in terms at least as strong as those he used when mentioning the border fence.
Are you utterly devoid of appreciation that it is counterproductive?
Is it, now? There are, to be sure, those among the apolitical who are turned off by unpleasant truths spoken bluntly. And if those speaking such truths are ugly, flustered,or inarticulate, of course a media in the tank for the other candidate will play them up. But there are also those among the apoliticalwho are turned off by the fundamental dishonesty of corrupt sleazebags referring to each other as "the honorable gentleman", or of a socialist rabble-rouser and Chicago machine hack being described as a good and decent person, and would welcome a little bluntness. I'm not at all sure the former group outnumbers the latter.
Sometimes saying what you really think IS NOT THE WAY TO WIN.
And here we are with some of the exact fundamental dishonesty I just mentioned. Whenmoderates and centrists talkabout politicians "only telling you what they think you want to hear, rather than the truth" - there it is, right from Ace's keyboard. Does anyonethink that doesn't lose elections?

Posted by: Fairly Unprominent Non-Blogger at October 12, 2008 11:32 PM (zt8mw)

423 I wonder if the folks who are pissed off and ready to throw every sort of invective towards Obama have ever had a fight with their wife/loved one/family. There's always something you can think up and throw at someone when you're pissed off. It seems clever and appropriate at the time. And maybe, just maybe, it's going to help you win the argument in your mind.

But anyone that hears you bust loose with a shit-screaming tirade will probably have a very different opinion of you the next morning. And regardless of how sure you were that you got the upper hand you have permanently changed people's perspective about what kind of human being you truly are.

You can win the battles and lose the war based on public perception. The media is going to gleefully amplify any bullshit spewed by "typical angry Republicans". Don't feed the fucking beast.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at October 12, 2008 11:33 PM (4ZOxD)

424 446
Capital idea, Chuck! Btw, have you read Obama's books? Writes like a dream.

Posted by: christopher buckley at October 12, 2008 11:34 PM (1hkXr)

425 My tongue longs for your salad, Ace...



Seriously, man, I know you're angry and all, but are you just not registered over at Hot Air or banned at LGF? Good Lord, it's like waving crack in front of a crackhead.

Posted by: Fuck you Ace at October 12, 2008 11:35 PM (v1vlY)

426 Puts me in mind of the way my uncle used to temper the ardor of his fellow churchmen (he was a Baptist deacon, for those of you in the know) when they got too carried away about arguing this or that theological point with other denominations: "You don't ever convert anybody by calling 'em a SOB."
Granted, Ace put it far more eloquently, but it's pretty much the same idea, and a good piece of advice for a situation like this.

Posted by: A. Pendragon at October 12, 2008 11:38 PM (3s7Qc)

427 It's like the old days, when Ace would go off in a comment thread on a regular basis.It's oddly comforting isn't it?

Posted by: pajama momma at October 12, 2008 11:41 PM (f3xJa)

428 462: Ace is a better man than me, because if you did that on my website I would send your computer a "Ping Bomb" and shut both your mouth and your 'pooter in one keystroke. Just fair warning that it can easily be done.

Posted by: Nostradamus at October 12, 2008 11:46 PM (Ra89L)

429 clean up ace

Posted by: pajama momma at October 12, 2008 11:49 PM (f3xJa)

430 When the team starts screaming about the refs screwin' their game, it
is the smell of desperation. It doesn't matter if it's partially
true or not. The first guy to scream ref is the one who didn't
bring the plan and execute to win.



Winners seldom worry about the ref. They've already factored him
in and still have a plan to win over and above him. Losers, not so much.





Posted by: Lana at October 12, 2008 11:52 PM (Nf4XK)

431 Wow... You have to wonder if Ace is hitting a nerve. It's
really uncanny and I think most of us feel fairly certain there are
more surprises in the Bama closet that have yet to hit the
public. After the election, of course.



It's like they're scared, really. Odd.

Posted by: Lana at October 13, 2008 12:01 AM (Nf4XK)

432 “I guess the choice is- fight fair, or fight to win.”
NO!!! Fight SMART. That’s the only way you CAN win. I’m sorry to be disrespectful but if you really think McCain can win by aggressively getting in Obama’s face about Ayers, Rezko, et al. you are out of your minds. Too many people have been brainwashed into believing Obama is Mr. Bright Clean Articulate Guy (tm Joe Biden.) McCain doesn’t need to convince people that Obama is a socialist terrorist bent on destroying our nation and sending conservatives to prison camps. He just needs to sow the seeds of doubt. Leave them wondering “Who is this guy?” IMO, that lingering doubt was the main reason it took so long for Obama to close the deal with Democratic voters. Even now, I’m convinced a reasonable chunk of his support in polls is up for grabs.
McCain has to be subtle about going after Obama’s character and associations, but he needs to be aggressive about attacking Obama’s economic policies as just a re-tread of “failed liberal economic policies.” It wouldn’t hurt if he mentioned he had 100 economists, including 4 or 5 Nobel winners on his side. I would love it if McCain pointed out it’s the very definition of insanity to do the same thing over and over again expecting a new result. That in a nutshell is what Obama is offering: A re-tread of Jimmy Carter’s 70s, not as many Democrats might hope Bill Clinton’s 90s. If I was in the McCain campaign, I’d make as many allusions as possible to Jimmy Carter. Young people won’t have a clue, but anyone over 39 will shudder with fear. Let me repeat: I’m not saying McCain should just shut up about Obama’s associations. I just think he has to be very careful how he does it. I don’t think righteous indignation is going to work.
I’d like to see McCain fired up about something and my suggestion would be get fired up about the worthless Congress under Reid and Pelosi. Those two partisan scumbags have already trashed McCain personally so he has nothing to lose there. But if he goes that route I think he needs to have some real reform ideas to present. People want some damn specifics. That’s another reason Obama has had such a hard time closing the deal despite everything in the environment going his way and an MSM that is practically a propaganda arm of his campaign. That is, many people want to know “How are you really going to do these things?” They are sick of empty promises.

Posted by: Tversky at October 13, 2008 12:02 AM (14B+T)

433 ...if you did that on my website I would send your computer a "Ping Bomb" and shut both your mouth and your 'pooter in one keystroke. Just fair warning that it can easily be done.

Posted by: Nostradamus at October 12, 2008 11:46 PM (Ra89L)

Interesting. I'm curious about how you'd do this - you would obviously have the IP address and would know the ISP, generally, from the address block... also you could detect the browser + version + OS. But how exactly could you target the individual computer, especially if it's behind a router/firewall? You can get a MAC address, and access to it, from a blog comment? Or not? Please inform, thanks.

Posted by: Hartsfeld at October 13, 2008 12:03 AM (Vi57P)

434 Maybe it was just a confused Los Angeles Angels fan.

Posted by: Squatch at October 13, 2008 12:13 AM (COZb8)

435 Geez! I left two hours ago to get a jump on some reports for in the morning and I come back to find that asshole is still doing the whole 'V--- B----' spam.
Even now. Same reaction as earlier.
Spontaneous ROFL and an urge to point at his tiny little dick and laugh.
Actually, I prefer laughing to pity because, clearly, this dude has nothing going on.

Posted by: jmflynny at October 13, 2008 12:14 AM (RrKQ0)

436 I've deleted like twenty of these in rapid succession. At LEAST twenty.

-L

Posted by: Fuck you Ace at October 13, 2008 12:20 AM (v1vlY)

437 All trolling and no play makes v1vlY a dull cocksucker; All trolling and no play makes v1vlY a dull cocksucker; All trolling and no play makes v1vlY a dull cocksucker; All trolling and no play makes v1vlY a dull cocksucker; All trolling and no play makes v1vlY a dull cocksucker; All trolling and no play makes v1vlY a dull cocksucker;

Posted by: POTL at October 13, 2008 12:22 AM (mD4t/)

438 Seriously, I'm just camping out here, refreshing the page, and deleting them one at a time or in batches of three or so.

Hey Trollbusters on the West Coast, I gotta go to sleep soon, OK?

Love you.

-lauraw

Posted by: Fuck you Ace at October 13, 2008 12:26 AM (v1vlY)

439 So angry Republicans are not allowed to show their displeasure? This anger made McCain make the stupidest statement ever made in this campaign? C'mon, I have a bridge I want to sell you. McCain hasn't been consistently able to carry the water for some weeks now. Just standing around smiling won't do it. Odumba is a shark. Fire must be met with fire. We are angry with John. I am so mad that I would slap his silly face off if I ever met him. Mitt would have sliced and diced Odumba before now. I am not a Mitt fan by the way. This was McCains to lose and he has. Now we face socialism. What a train wreck of a campaign from the beginning. Why didn't someone ask Rove to take over? I could scream and many Tequila Sunrises are in order.
PS I will never look at "it", listen to "it, and avoid trying to smell "it". Did it with Clinton and it helped. Why don't all Repubs just ignore it for 4 years and then for sure, the Dems will have to get the blame?

Posted by: Judith at October 13, 2008 12:34 AM (91P0i)

440 470: When you post a response on any forum, the administrator can see your I.P. so you are tagged. In addition, the administrator can go into 'profile' and see your log-in name but the password is this: ********. HOWEVER, by highlighting that and left-clicking "view source", he can then see your password as "value is......". Now, he can log in as you. THEN, he can go into his "admin" site and see your operating system and browser type. THEN, a simple "whois search" will nail you down to the computer type and place of origin. Then, bend over as he sends you "a surprise". (If he has 'the bomb' downloaded, and locked and loaded). Several times my server was attacked. Several times the attack was stopped by my firewalls, the attacker identified by me, and the attack immediately ceased. Unfortunately, that means his hard drive was producing nothing but x's and o's from that point on.

Posted by: Nostradamus at October 13, 2008 12:37 AM (Ra89L)

441 Laura, is it really necessary to keep deleting this moron's comments?
Ace and his co-morons have made it perfectly clear that what this jackass is doing is unsolicited and undesired. There's not much chance of Ace getting in any trouble for having someone repeatedly thrust this crap at the blog.
I'd just rather see you guys deployed at doing what you do best: Entertaining and informing the moron masses.

Posted by: jmflynny at October 13, 2008 12:38 AM (RrKQ0)

442 Wholeheartedly agree with Ace here. And among others, Baron von
Ottomatic @194. It's totally unfair, the media deck's completely
stacked against us, but we have to wage the battle given the
circumstances at hand. If we want McCain to be tough on Obama, tough as
can be, in an unremittingly hostile media environment, it's stupid to
make that task any harder-- or completely scuttle his ability to do so,
as a matter of effective political strategy. For God's sake, Ace isn't saying McCain should pull back or be gentler on Obama, it's the exact opposite: but if we want him to be *tougher* we have to do our best as supporters to make that politically feasible.



Palin got lots of applause at the line about the "real Obama"-- which
she said in a straightforward, matter-of-fact, understated way. The
Obama camp/MSM has to cloud the clear view of things (blunt the edge of
those weapons, and turn them against McCain) by painting Obama
criticism as racist, hysterical, over-the-top, fearmongering,
jingoistic, xenophobic, etc. And they will seize any example, genuine
or not, to make that case. The material here is so powerful in itself
that there's no need for rhetorical overkill; let Obama have the turgid
rhetoric. The McCain a lot of people fell in love with back in the day
was, more than the maverick, the straight-talker. The *only* way he can reach those not already convinced by one side or the other, cut
through the wall-to-wall MSM narrative (the clouds clouds of
bullshit rhetoric pumped into the air, by the Obama camp its
agents, who long ago disseminated the "script" by which any
criticism/attack against O
was to be understood), is to lay out his attacks-- i.e. the
facts--as plainly, simply, straightforwardly as possible. (Palin is a
master at this-- plus she has the wit, the lightness of touch, to float
like a butterfly sting like a bee.) In this environment,
overheated, overly-paranoid rhetoric from those "on our side" is just
going to be tuned
out by-- or actively alienate -- undecided, reachable, moderate, or
apolitical voters.



It's not about suppressing passion, justifiable anger
frustration-- it's about avoiding self-sabotage. To those indignant
that some anti-Obama ranting be criticized: it should be a freaking clue
when mobys deploy the very same rhetoric, to discredit McCain, that you
think will help him. I must admit, I'm one of those who tends to
conclude "moby" perhaps more quickly than I should. But as Ace
suggests, I try, at least occasionally, on different sites, to call out, debunk, or dissassociate myself as McCain/Palin supporter from the
most trollish anti-Obama posts, whether they're mobys or mutant idiots.
That doesn't stop Obamabots (like the MSM) from ignoring me
quoting the troll as evidence of our stupidity/iniquity. But it may
well have an effect on those readers from the "middle."



I am one of those, now an Independent (though maybe I'm more like the opposite of RINO-- Republican in all but name), who had my Damascus moment after
9/11-- irrevocably repelled by the left, forever disillusioned by the
Democratic party. And the first seeds of conversion were not any
arguments I heard from Republicans/the right (since those voices were
simply not present in my world-- bluest of the blue, ivory-towered,
reaches of academia-- other than as caricatures and bogeymen). It was
hearing, as if for the first time, the raving idiocy of the voices
around me, the voices of so-called "conventional wisdom", that turned
what I thought a familiar world of like-minded peers into the twilight
zone. And it was in that state that I first discovered blogs on the
right... and it was precisely the surprising (to me) reasonableness, substance, (yes!)
nuance, intelligence, openness to a diversity of views and ideological
backgrounds, and oh yeah sense of humor among many there-- not to mention their passionate, unashamed
espousal of values important to me-- that made me feel intellectually
at home. There are PUMAs here who, perhaps for the first time, are
encountering genuine Republican voices as reasonable interlocutors.
They may always remain Democrats-- but they will never again fully buy
into MSM bias, or GOP-caricaturing; will not disbelieve something just
because it comes from a Republican's mouth; and in stormy times ahead
may well be allies-- at any rate, fellow citizens who love their
country (and see us the same way).

Posted by: lael at October 13, 2008 12:39 AM (ulEmZ)

443 Well folks, it looks like the overseas markets are robust, and the DOW futures are up, at this minute, by 280 points. If the crash was good for Obama, then is bad for him. Plus, we have the debate on Wed, and closer polls today. Keep the faith folks, because these are three great signs for McCain. Hopefully, it will mark a turnaround.

Posted by: Nostradamus at October 13, 2008 12:48 AM (Ra89L)

444 "1% of LGF's commenters embarrassed him greatly and got him widely called a "hate site." "
please slow down and articulate what you are going to say. So Mcain is a hate speech? who is 'him? How doe you know they are not trolls? How do yyou know the screamers at McCain rallies are not trolls?

Posted by: Jo at October 13, 2008 12:52 AM (ZFPfJ)

445 "How do yyou know the screamers at McCain rallies are not trolls?"

Occam's razor. You can't possibly deny that idiots such as these do in fact exist. It's therefore a plausible working theory that somebody who acts like one actually is one. Asserting that things are not, in fact, as they appear requires proof.

Posted by: Chris at October 13, 2008 12:59 AM (gZHT8)

446 “But there are also those among the apoliticalwho are turned off by the fundamental dishonesty of corrupt sleazebags referring to each other as "the honorable gentleman", or of a socialist rabble-rouser and Chicago machine hack being described as a good and decent person, and would welcome a little bluntness. I'm not at all sure the former group outnumbers the latter.”
There is HUGE flaw in your argument:
The apolitical who might be “turned off by the fundamental dishonesty of corrupt sleazebags referring to each other as ‘the honorable gentleman’, or of a socialist rabble-rouser and Chicago machine hack being described as a good and decent man” do not KNOW that Obama is a socialist rabble-rouser and Chicago machine hack. Therefore, they could not be turned off by McCain’s comments. The only voters that really know the truth about Obama are Republicans and the PUMAs, all of whom (assuming they are rational) are motivated to vote against Obama no matter what stupidly nice gesture McCain makes. The apolitical are not like you and me. They take the MSM at its word. All they have heard, nonstop for 2 years, is what a nice, clean, bright articulate guy Obama is. (I’m sorry, but the Bidenisms write themselves.) They’ve heard it from Democrats they may respect (god knows why), literally EVERY major celebrity except Angelina Jolie and about 99% of the MSM including a few worthless conservatives I might add (e.g., Peggy Noonan, George Will, Christopher Buckley, David Broder, etc.). That is the reality we are dealing with. We have to adjust to that reality instead of expecting it to adjust to us.
Frankly, I wish McCain had just left his comments to “We need to be respectful of one another” and not gone on and said so many nice things about Obama. In fact, I wish he’d said something like “I don’t personally know Mr.Obama” because that would feed into the “Barry Who?” meme that I think has a lot of potential. However, I don’t think McCain’s decision to go too far and actually call Barry a good and decent man means the game is lost. I say that because I don’t think McCain, almost entirely by himself with only backup from a few like Hannity and Limbaugh, could really convince people that Obama is a socialist rabble rouser and Chicago machine hack just by saying so. Not after so much brainwashing and not after the media has so diligently hammered away at the notion that McCain is a liar that’s running a sleazy dishonest campaign. Don’t forget what happened to Bill Clinton when he dared to question the “Barry is a saint” meme. He was called a racist and thrown under the bus. BILL CLINTON OF ALL PEOPLE!! That tells you just how far in the tank the media is this year for their Chosen One.
So given the environment, McCain has to make these associations in a much more subtle manner. McCain and his campaign need to do what Barry’s campaign is trying to do to McCain on the issue of age: They won’t come right out and call him old. But they take every opportunity to honor his LONG service, act all puzzled and alarmed every time McCain slips up and mis-speaks Shia for Sunni (or any other meaningless blunder he might make), talk about his health in concerned tones on every major news outlet, etc. McCain spokespeople that have the stomach for it need to play the same game. (By the way, someone that does this all the freakin’ time is Paul Begalia. I see right through his ass with his feigned concerned bullshit. He’s the biggest fuckin’ phoney I think I’ve ever seen but he does a great job of planting little seeds of ideas in the viewer’s mind.) It’s a very Machiavellian game these folks are playing. That’s why they win.

Posted by: Tversky at October 13, 2008 01:00 AM (14B+T)

447 My larger point here is that SPITTING ANGER DOES NOT SELL and does NOT WIN VOTES and the angry spitting mutants should fucking take their goddamned pills and let the adults talk.

Sandra Bernhard's on stage, before a live audience who applauded and cheered when she threatened to'send her black brothers to rape Sarah Palin' seems to be a bonus sale for the Obama campaign.

What about her RAGING JEW tirade againsts Christians?

What the fuck was that all about?

Posted by: syn at October 13, 2008 01:26 AM (wJ6Sn)

448 If they are "our people"...you are right...This needs to be looked into and if they are Axlerod-Obots....that needs to be exposed. I would not put anything passed the Obaminals.

Posted by: BJL at October 13, 2008 01:37 AM (6Di8a)

449 Koopy - if you're still around they said he has strep throat. but they "look forward to his return." Bummer.

For what its worth, Ace, I think you're right. The less control and more freaking out the more damage. I don't know that you even need comments as people either agree with you in varying degrees or are trolls. What does it add but a headache for you to monitor when you could be working on the next post?

Posted by: Swegin at October 13, 2008 01:53 AM (q0Z3p)

450 I like money.

Posted by: spork at October 13, 2008 02:45 AM (Os0qO)

451 Thanks for the thoughtful reply, Tversky.
The apolitical who might be “turned off by the fundamental dishonesty of corrupt sleazebags referring to each other as ‘the honorable gentleman’, or of a socialist rabble-rouser and Chicago machine hack being described as a good and decent man” do not KNOW that Obama is a socialist rabble-rouser and Chicago machine hack.
Many people, indeed, are unaware of certain alarming facts about Obama. No one doubts that. And if McCain really embargoes mention of these facts just because trolls yell them out at his rallies, many of those will remain unaware of them. But there are also many apolitical people - perhaps more than you or Ace credit - that are aware of plenty of facts about Obama, but see little point inbothering withMcCain if he is unwilling even to speak, in no uncertain terms, without subtleties or weasel-words or Senatorial backslapping old-boys-club rhetoric, of his opponent's major defects. If he won't even lay down some "straight talk" about the problems, how is anyone to believe he'll fight the problems? Not all disinterest in politics comes from ignorance - believe me, there's plenty that comes from sheer disgust, and refusal to speak directly, plainly, and forcefully about constrasts with opponents, along with unending attempts to put consensus or bipartisanship or election strategy over truth and principle, can't help but foster the "both parties are the same, so what's the use?" mentality among such people.
I note that two distinct issues often seem to be confused in this thread - 1) behaving like trolls in public, which is of course to be discouraged, and 2) abandoning true and useful arguments just because trolls attempt to make them, then blaming them for "forcing" the abandonment, which just seems really, really weak. Anger of the sort shown at some of McCain's events, though not necessarily trollish per se, can come off as righteous or as desperate, and to the extent that it comes off as desperate, it does seem unhelpful toMcCain's chances; random yelling and other idiocy is of course grounds for bro to tase.

Posted by: Fairly Unprominent Non-Blogger at October 13, 2008 02:49 AM (zt8mw)

452 "1% of LGF's commenters embarrassed him greatly and got him widely
called a "hate site." Because these fucking imbeciles just thought their scary brilliant pathologies were just too important to not be shared publicly."

Wait a minute . . . did your anger get in the way of your grammar?
"him" ??? him= a hate site? surely some mistake, no?

Posted by: Paulo at October 13, 2008 06:32 AM (ou0Nf)

453 Well said.

Posted by: atadoff at October 13, 2008 07:02 AM (OQaly)

454 Good article and good points; however, I'm not so sure that there really needs to be a fix. You'll always have a few who make nasty comments. You're letting Obama team accusations distract you by from the real issues by having you waste time attempting to stamp out a few comments here and there--something that happens occasionally anyway. What makes it a problem is that Obama's team is trolling, looking for any statement they can find to slur McCain/Palin. The few comments you find on conservative blogs and at Republican rallies pale in comparison to the systematic, massive and malicious garbage spewed from liberal blogs and Obama rallies that aren't even mentioned by the MSM. Obama has made no effort to stop this nastiness, and it hasn't hurt him at all. Basically, the only way conservatives can avoid being labed as haters is to require that everyone be perfect 100 percent of the time. One off-handed comment is pounced on by the left as indicative of how evil the right is. We can't win, unless conservatives manage to figure out a way to show how vicious and intolerant the far left is. Only then will a few bad inevitable comments from McCain/Palin supporters be seen for what they really are, nothing.

Posted by: Jim at October 13, 2008 09:42 AM (0TZg3)

455 /yawn

Oh joy. Another conservative calling for calm.

Fuck you too Ace.

Posted by: venmax at October 13, 2008 09:51 AM (ozT90)

456 I'm inclined to agree with you, Ace.
It's irritating to try and be serious about the party you support when there are people screaming obscenities and giving all conservatives a bad name.

Posted by: Rachel at October 13, 2008 10:20 AM (oqm/r)

457 I don't think that allowing just anyone to post is a good idea. You need to be able to block the accounts of those who act up and delete their messages.

However, the idea is open discussion and a free exchange if ideas. If only one side is represented, there is no exchange, just echo. You want opposing views because it opens the mind. You want new ideas and view points. While it is good to delete the trolls, you don't want to go overboard like LGF and delete anyone who does not follow the group-think. That site has become an echo chamber.



Posted by: ArcherB at October 13, 2008 10:23 AM (Mh7Wh)

458 If what you say is true, the "Daily Kos", having a much greater proportion of hate comments, should be called the same.

Oh, wait, it's not. So blaming any "trolls" is meaningless. They won't disappear, and they don't matter.

Let's not attack ourselves. That's stupid. McCain could have done what he wanted, and he took the honorable-but-stupid way out. We should admire him for what he did, and remember the thanks we get from the left for it.

Posted by: Tom at October 13, 2008 10:39 AM (WO7Q/)

459 Ace is right. I've noticed it growing at other conservative blogs as well, places that, until recently were enjoyable to me because they tend to be places rational thought reigns supreme. I can hardly read some of them anymore, because it has become just like reading the hate filled drivel at DailyKOS or HuffPo. The sane voices have been silenced by a torrent ofbile, no longer posting asoften as they used to.
The idea of Obama as President is repugnant to me too, but I'm not going to make ridiculous statements that Obama is secretly a Muslim just 'waiting to become President before revealing it', or a terrorist, or what-not. It's hysteria, of the same sort the Berkeley tree sitters/Code Pinkers/etc. etc are known for. I'm not afraid that he's a terrorist. I'm not afraid that he's anti-American. I'm not afraid that he's black, or Muslim, or Arab. I'm afraid of the proposals he's laid out during his campaign, nad the effect they will have on us all.
The reason that McCain is losing is that these useless arguments have drowned out any real discussion of the issues. I hear people talking about the election, and it's not about the issues. It's about these internet memes, on both sides of the equation. It's a shame too, because there's not shortage of issues that can critically impact our nation at stake in this election.

Posted by: Yashmak at October 13, 2008 10:45 AM (ijC+u)

460 I hate showing up late to 500+ post threads. That said, I say look at the BO campaign. Really. Stand back, and with a cool analytical view, try to figure out how they make this clearly deficient candidate a winner. First go up and read post #467 and internalize it. Now, what I see, is superior organization. That's all. No chaos to be seen, internal dissent is invisible to outsiders. They seem to be bulletproof. This is how it works in Chicago, a reasonably, compact entity. Never saw it hold together on a national scale yet. But here it is. It's human nature to go nuts when confronted with a new challenge, without the proper tools to deal with it. We (folks like me who give a shit) don't really share the same culture with the pods who inhabit the democrat party, or at least the obama column. Try to behave like they do, and it falls apart. We become easy targets, and just beg to be hit 'With Their (our)Own Rulebook'. There's a time and a place for everything. I gotta go.

Posted by: Semi Cartman at October 13, 2008 10:54 AM (bWtiF)

461 Here's the truth of the matter, and you guys can condemn me or whatever you want to do as I couldn't care less.

McCain was a decent guy, emphasis on the WAS. He let his republican party do what they have historically done which is embark on Rovian style scare tactics to try to win the election. The unforuntate been of information McCain was missing is that the american people are truly fed up with that style of politics. He lost the independant vote through his negativity. Had he decided to put these issues to bed in the very beginning and act honorably next to Obama, I would say that McCain would have won hands down.
He has nobody to blame but himself for letting these asinine attacks continue. Why do I say this? Because a real issue cropped up during this election...the economy...and McCain couldn't answer the call, as soon as people had attacks vs substance to choose from, McCain plumetted in the polls.
I commend McCain for finally stepping up to the plate and telling this old bat (and the rest of like minded thinkers) to shut up, but it is far too little too late.
Remember, at the end of the day...you're all Americans. I think so many people have forgotten that, and it's truly a shame (as an outsider looking in at America)

Posted by: Tim at October 13, 2008 11:04 AM (v0ZKb)

462 I sent an e-mail to Frank Rich in response to his asinine column complaining about individuals at a few McCain/Palin rallies shouting “Treason” and “Terrorist” in reference to Obama.
Although treason and terrorist are accurate descriptions related to Obama’s associates, Frank is oblivious to the ‘Weimar-like rage’ and “violent escalation of rhetoric’ in the leftwing lunatic fringe.
Obama may not be one himself, but he certainly appeals to those who are. More importantly, he doesn’t disassociate or reject their support.
That speaks volumes.
HuffPo, Democratic Underground and Daily Kos, have frothing rants and calls for death every day.
The left spews anti-Bush assassination chic, altered photos of McCain and Palin in very grotesque depictions, and commits vandalism and unhinged acts of violence, but some people get wrapped around the axle over a couple ofindividuals screaming “treason” and “terrorist” at McCain rallies.

Posted by: sfcmac at October 13, 2008 12:21 PM (sfqwI)

463 This is a strange post, Ace. You chastise some GOP backers (rightly) but attempt to assume the high ground in relation to the Obama "gal-pal" story which you say you were trying to get "out there". Because a story about marital infidelity directed against Barack Obama couldn't possibly backfire against John McCain could it? Hello?

Posted by: C.L. at October 13, 2008 01:00 PM (+eq7j)

464 These people are the reason I'm a conservative. Liberals want me to be collectivist and throw in with these morons. Conservatives want tohelp me retain the right to have absolutely nothing invested in them. "It takes a village" vs. "mind your own damn village".

Posted by: chomp at October 13, 2008 04:55 PM (qmt3u)

465 It's hard sometimes to know where to draw the line. I'm probably guilty of some of this kind of stuff to a degree. I've never called Obama a terrorist, Muslim or supported killing him. On the other hand, I have called him a fascist rat bastard, a radical socialist and several other things. All of which I believe there is evidence to support.

On the other hand, "Kill Bush", "Sarah Palin is a C__t", etc., etc., etc., are all perfectly acceptable? Bullshit. When one side to be able to call for "kill them and their children" (Alec Baldwin) without a batting an eye, but we can hardly get away with using the guy's middle name, something is very seriously wrong. The country is in jeaporday. The threat is direct and immediate. So what's the solution? There's alot of wisdom on this thread, and a lot of stupidity masquerading as wisdom. What there isn't is a solution.

Posted by: Nick at October 13, 2008 07:10 PM (HyntN)

466 Ace:

Apparently McCain is listening to you. We can thank you for what will happen, apparently Lewis sees no problem with the tactics that you apparently have. Or is it that what the Left does so blantly as a matter of policyis somehow less objectionable than the opinion of someone not as enlightened as you?
How dare you insult the annointed one by pointing out his endless lies, it offends the standards we should aspire to. With all due respect anyone who allows the other side to define standards that are to be used has all ready displayed his ability to play the game and his inability to comprehend the situation.
So put on your Sunday best. The Dems love it when they face people who play be their rules. John Lewis loves you!

Posted by: Thomas Jackson at October 13, 2008 07:41 PM (5ySCu)

467 The solution is very clear. Win or lose, take the high road. If you see others lying, don't lie. If others are stealing, don't steal. If others are cheating, don't cheat. If others are intolerant, be tolerant. Behave the way you would have others behave toward you. Then you won't be afraid of death. Sound familiar? You will have won, whether Obama is elected or not. Like they say, if you want to be held in high esteem, do esteemable acts. This is not the time for flag-waving. It's time to live by example. Don't claim to be completely cleared of unethical activity, as Sarah Palin has done, if you have been caught behaving unethically.

Posted by: Gustav at October 13, 2008 10:51 PM (m4bI+)

468 Why would anyone want to call Obama a terrorist? It's such a reactionary cliche... we need to start calling him a Socialist! Posted by: justincase


Calling people socialist while you voted twice for El Presidente George "The Socialist" Bush.

Who's misinformed.

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