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| PUMAs Needed: Big Story May Be on Way About Ayers-Obama But Help NeededA reporter at a major media organization (not Fox) is sitting on a story that rubbishes the "guy from the neighborhood" claim. But he's either unwilling to run it himself, as he will basically call Obama a straight-up liar, or else his organization is killing the story by ever-growing demands of proof. So: I've been asked to solicit the collective brain trust of the PUMAs for information. Specifically, if you are in Obama's neighborhood in Chicago, or know someone who is, and know details of the Obama-Ayers relationship, contact me. To really be helpful you'd have to go on the record, probably, but if you don't want to, blind stuff will help too. Don't fish me if you're an Obot. I'm not going to give up the details of the story to anyone; I'm going to wait for them to say the key fact. Hopefully if someone knows what I'm talking about, and can go on the record about it, we can overcome this guy's forbearance (or forbiddance) and get the story out. But we probably need one more on the record source to do so. If you guys have anything else, now would be the time to say so.CommentsPosted by: Ed at October 12, 2008 04:54 PM (taXMV) 2
I assume you put your feelers out to HillBuzz, NoQuarter, etc.? Or are they not so reliable? Honest question, I'm not up to speed on the PUMA network.
Posted by: mcg at October 12, 2008 04:56 PM (ejhPJ) 3
Hello, fellow conservative! I'm totally a PUMA and I'm sitting on a big killer story that will sink that brown guy, Obama!
Why don't you tell me what you have, then we can compare notes about this juiciest of stories? Then we can, you know, read the Bible and stuff. Let me know, godbags! Posted by: Concerned Christian Conservative at October 12, 2008 04:56 PM (cQxy9) 4
I was going to save this for the election. But I pulled out my atlas and have placed my balls on Penn, Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Minnesota and Colorado. That, along with the other stuff Ace has up his sleeve, we may have a chance. Posted by: Judd at October 12, 2008 04:58 PM (GHSj0) 5
Intriguing
Posted by: toby928 at October 12, 2008 04:58 PM (PD1tk) 6
Wish I could help in any way other than wishing you good luck, Ace. Oh, and Pejman isn't a PUMA, but he went to the University of Chicago and I think still lives in Hyde Park, so maybe he can point you towards something: http://www.chequer-board.net/
Posted by: Dave J at October 12, 2008 04:59 PM (qsGH+) 7
Go over to No Quarter and email Larry or Susan or Uppity Woman.
Posted by: SueM at October 12, 2008 04:59 PM (6uQGJ) 8
Ace, you're doing good work, but I'm going to have to request that you change your name to Ace of Hearts. "Spade" is just totally too racist, intentional or not, and we are running an honorable campaign here. Don't you want your liberal readers to know your compassionate side? What about the undecided? Help us win by changing everything about yourself, and accepting the premises of your opponents, for honor's sake.
Thanks, McCain '08 Posted by: Brian72 at October 12, 2008 05:02 PM (h6lGQ) 9
Ayres is bisexual.
Posted by: csdeven at October 12, 2008 05:03 PM (8cxzy) 10
Ace, dude, you're killing us with the double-top-secret-suspension shit. Posted by: jmflynny at October 12, 2008 05:04 PM (RrKQ0) 11
To #3: And you wonder why liberals lose elections.
Posted by: Asclepius at October 12, 2008 05:05 PM (cyCW2) 12
#9...I warn you. If a tape surfaces about Ayers and Obama ala the Paris Hilton Pamela Anderson tape, i will never forgive america for causing my irreperable emotional harm. And i will expect the new socialist healthcare program to pay for my extensive therapy.
Posted by: Jeremiah God Damn Barrack Amerikkka Wright at October 12, 2008 05:06 PM (TkBbw) 13
Go talk to the guys at Hillbuzz. They are from Chicago and hate Obama. If they can't help you they know who can. Just to warn you, they are unashamedly gay. But don't worry, they aren't recruiting. Posted by: myiq2xu at October 12, 2008 05:07 PM (fH7Fv) 14
The Ace of Spades was named Hussein, wasn't it?
Posted by: Larry Sheldon at October 12, 2008 05:09 PM (OmeRL) 15
Ace: medications/Medications.htm Seriously, after the positive Friday, suicidal Saturday, and now positive Sunday, I'm a bit worried about you. Let's stay positive until Nov. 4, OK? Please? Posted by: Charles Krauthammer at October 12, 2008 05:09 PM (xyyHG) 16
I'm guessing it's CNN. They're the only ones I've seen so far among the LMSM who have really dug lately. They're the ones that suggested the Ayers-hosted Obama meet-n-greet was co-organized by the two of them and not by Alice Palmer. Anderson Cooper was not amused.
Posted by: mcg at October 12, 2008 05:10 PM (ejhPJ) 17
can someone from Chicago please, please find a way to link Obama to this guy? it won't do any damage, but it would be hilarious: (some vulgarity in the video, lots of Awesome)
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Oh, and I'm sure a fine publication like The Star would purchase your contact's work. Since the POS Burkle Enquirer got to break the Silky Pony story.
Posted by: Charles Krauthammer at October 12, 2008 05:11 PM (xyyHG) 19
sorry, but I call shinanigans. What could this guy possibly be sitting on that the RNC hasnt already put out there or we dont know about?
Posted by: RitewingFascist at October 12, 2008 05:12 PM (wmQOP) Posted by: locus ceruleus at October 12, 2008 05:12 PM (e2mBS) 21
Ace: You can borrow my Captain Marvel Secret Decoder Ring and put this thing together and we moronic posters will be forever grateful. Let's get it on. Posted by: Fish at October 12, 2008 05:12 PM (6Rihj) 22
I'm not gonna excited about any of this until I see a flaming skull on this site and big gigantic bold letters on Drudge's site.
Posted by: USAFDave at October 12, 2008 05:21 PM (4DWV5) 23
#19.... You're kidding, right? I mean, let's track back a bit. It was bloggers who did the detective work which brought down Dan Rather. It was bloggers who pushed the Wright story. It has been bloggers who have kept the interested informed when the media refused to cover any story over the past four years. Yes. It is possible that a blogger, or group of bloggers, could have a source that the RNC does not have. Posted by: jmflynny at October 12, 2008 05:25 PM (RrKQ0) 24
f you guys have anything else, now would be the time to say so.
Don't know if you've seen this before: Obama and Ayers were on a panel discussion with 2 others in a room that could only hold 100 people, and Michelle Obama was involved with it. http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/971106/justice.shtml Ayers, who spent a year observing the Cook County Temporary Juvenile Detention Center in Chicago, is one of four panelists who will speak on juvenile justice at 6 p.m. Thursday, Nov. 20, in the C-Shop. The panel, which marks the 100th anniversary of the juvenile justice system in the United States, is part of the Community Service Center's monthly discussion series on issues affecting the city of Chicago. The event is free and open to the public. Ayers will be joined by Sen. Barack Obama, Senior Lecturer in the Law School, who is working to combat legislation that would put more juvenile offenders into the adult system... One hundred years later, the system is "overcrowded, under-funded, over-centralized and racist," Ayers said. Michelle Obama, Associate Dean of Student Services and Director of the University Community Service Center, hopes bringing issues like this to campus will open a dialogue between members of the University community and the broader community. "Students and faculty explore these issues in the classroom, but it is an internal conversation," Obama said. "We know that issues like juvenile justice impact the city of Chicago, this nation and -- directly or indirectly -- this campus. This panel gives students a chance to hear about the juvenile justice system not only on a theoretical level, but from the people who have experienced it." Posted by: liontooth at October 12, 2008 05:29 PM (n3pxb) 25
Hillbuzz is saying that Ben Smith at Politico is sitting on a story that could be damaging to The One. If they know what it is, they're not saying.
Posted by: TC at October 12, 2008 05:30 PM (RBUY6) 26
About the Ayers-Obama connection:
http://tinylink.com/?yRTtQngSbg Ayers names Obama in one of his books. Posted by: locus ceruleus at October 12, 2008 05:35 PM (e2mBS) 27
Don't we know that Obama and Michelle worked with Dohrn at a law firm back in the 80s. We also know that Ayers and Obama were at school near each other in NYC even earlier. That's where I'd go look for a conx. Posted by: Ronsonic at October 12, 2008 05:42 PM (ywSvi) 28
Ronsonic, Obama's time at Columbia is a mysteriously clean slate. It's like there's practically no record of anything he did there.
Posted by: Dave J at October 12, 2008 05:44 PM (qsGH+) 29
This stuff is making me nutso! Wish I could do something useful!
Posted by: freetofly at October 12, 2008 05:55 PM (4q7GQ) 30
DaveJ, this is one of the things that's been burning a hole in my brain. Is there NO ONE at Columbia on the side of truth, justice and the American way who can dig up some info on this issue? Because, if there isn't, then that is a story in and of itself.
Posted by: CB at October 12, 2008 05:56 PM (9Wv2j) 31
Didn't Moxie go to Columbia? She's younger than he, but certainly has contacts there.
Posted by: jmflynny at October 12, 2008 05:58 PM (RrKQ0) 32
I fear that for this election Obama has Ed Edwards beat for scandals that could keep him from office.
Posted by: Joe at October 12, 2008 06:06 PM (dwkOy) 33
"You got NOTHING!"
Posted by: Robert DeNiro as Al Capone at October 12, 2008 06:11 PM (KOkrW) 34
Doesn't matter- Sarah wore white on the campaign trail and that's racist. Posted by: Jones in CO at October 12, 2008 06:13 PM (KOkrW) 35
O IS GHEY?
Posted by: big D at October 12, 2008 06:20 PM (nVef1) 36
I mean personal-type stuff that hasn't been reported before, not stuff that's been reported about professional associations.
Posted by: ace at October 12, 2008 06:23 PM (1WR4H) 37
Why bother with the truth- obama/ayers doesn't. You can buy all the 'details' you want for a carton of cigs. This is a propaganda battle- for america. Perception is reality. Posted by: politicalmuse at October 12, 2008 06:35 PM (kLKnf) 38
"If you guys have anything else, now would be the time to say so."
This is off topic, but I went to costco today and it looked like the mormons were stocking up on things. I would guess that about one in five people had one of those push carts stacked with things like rice, canned goods, flour etc... Mormons, that means you csdeven, did they tell you something at Church today that the rest of us need to know about? I know costco is usually pretty crowded, but this was a bit different and I can tell if you are mormon by looking at you so fess up! Posted by: Steve McCool at October 12, 2008 06:58 PM (GNCy6) 39
This comment was Trollbusted.
Posted by: Fuck you Ace at October 12, 2008 07:36 PM (Z5ssu) 40
Yikes.
Posted by: mesablue at October 12, 2008 07:44 PM (5yNaE) 41
Mormons don't shop on Sundays fool
Posted by: Ricki at October 12, 2008 08:15 PM (4EQPW) 42
Unfortunatley, there are no PUMAs in Hyde Park. Not a single Clinton donor in the 60637 or 60615 area codes. Unless the Huffington Post is lying to me...
Posted by: toetotoetotoe at October 12, 2008 08:25 PM (X8Omj) 43
#3 Let me know, godbags!
OK, but first you have to tell us what "red paint" means on the top of a varmint round. And you have to swear bitterly while telling, so that you show you understand two of the three things us redneck types care about, according to Mr. Obama.
Posted by: unclesmrgol at October 12, 2008 08:55 PM (v60TR) 44
There was a commenter (hydeparker ?) on Tom McGuire's site some weeks back now that claimed Ayers and Dorhn had actually babysat the Obama kids.
Posted by: Neo at October 12, 2008 09:04 PM (Yozw9) 45
I'm a PUMA, and I have done a ton of research, and would do more to help. I am wondering if you are looking for help wrt Ayers babysitting for Obama, or Vera, or the old chicago restaurant? I have read about it all... ahaha Let me know if you need someone to help with research.
Posted by: sarainitaly at October 12, 2008 09:11 PM (A6/e/) 46
I live in Obama’s neighborhood and know some of the Obama / Ayers crowd. Ayers and Dohrn have babysat the Obama kids personally. The families are personal friends, not just professional acquaintances.
Posted by: hydeparker | August 13, 2008 at 01:41 PM Posted by: Neo at October 12, 2008 09:22 PM (Yozw9) 47
"Mormons don't shop on Sundays fool" Shenanigans! I can recognize a mormon buying a fifty pound bag of flour when I see one. Are you trying to tell me a bunch of ex-mo's (remember, I can tell if someone is from Utah by looking at them and the people I watched today have relatives in Utah) all decided to go to Costco and buy one hundred pounds of rice around the time the first mormon church service probably ended? I doubt it! Someone issued some sort of decree and they went to Costco to stockpile. What happened this morning that convinced them that it was time to fill the pantry? Imo, someone issued a statement of some sort that would probably be passed around in churches around the country and I want to know who said what. Posted by: Steve McCool at October 12, 2008 09:41 PM (GNCy6) 48
9 Ayres is bisexual.
Posted by: csdeven at October 12, 2008 05:03 PM (8cxzy) --------------------------------------------------------------- Huh...turns out Ayers doesn't have a gag reflex, either. Posted by: Jaibones at October 12, 2008 09:57 PM (8DbK4) 49
Someone issued some sort of decree and they went to Costco to stockpile. What happened this morning that convinced them that it was time to fill the pantry? LDS members don't have to suddenly rush out to stockpile. They always have a stockpile in their homes. AND the bishops warehouse is always kept full. Sunday is a VERY sacred day. They do not shop on Sundays. Posted by: pajama momma at October 12, 2008 10:08 PM (f3xJa) 50
"LDS members don't have to suddenly rush out to stockpile. They always have a stockpile in their homes. AND the bishops warehouse is always kept full.
Sunday is a VERY sacred day. They do not shop on Sundays."
Sometimes it is sacred and sometimes they are watching the NFL and drinking. It is LDS so at any time god might call them and tell them to go buy one hundred pounds of rice even on Sunday. Posted by: Steve at October 12, 2008 10:25 PM (GNCy6) 51
I don't live in Hyde Park but my boss does and I hear her talking with her talking with others in the office regarding the Ayers and Obama household relationship that goes way back. It's not just baby sitting, I'm not sure if they attended the wedding or a shower or reception party but there would have to be photo's. Also go/search underground. Posted by: Pistry at October 12, 2008 10:28 PM (PpvHm) 52
So they would listen to God telling them to stockpile rice, but they wouldn't obey the little rule about not drinking alcohol and keeping the Sabbath holy? ok Posted by: pajama momma at October 12, 2008 10:31 PM (f3xJa) 53
#17, I'm abashed at all those multiple, hateful uses of the n-word on the video you linked. I would expect more racial sensitivity. Shame shame.
Posted by: steve poling at October 12, 2008 11:25 PM (UWHTf) 54
They do not think God is telling anyone to stockpile rice if you ask them as a person rather than a Mormon. Mormons stockpile because it is part of the plan and they are expected to share with one another if everything goes horribly wrong. They say God wants them to do it when they are at the meeting, but when you talk to the same person in a bar they will tell you that they doubt the whole "God speaking with the manager of Rite-Aid" thing and go along with it because it is their tradition and a smart thing to be doing in the first place. Posted by: Steve at October 12, 2008 11:37 PM (GNCy6) 55
trollbusted
Posted by: Fuck you Ace at October 12, 2008 11:43 PM (v1vlY) 56
Mormons stockpile because it is part of the plan and they are expected to share with one another if everything goes horribly wrong. All I know is when the shit hits the fan, I hope I live next door to a whole lotta Mormons. Posted by: pajama momma at October 12, 2008 11:45 PM (f3xJa) 57
And that they don't hate me too badly for being a beer swilling, NFL watching Catholic
Posted by: pajama momma at October 13, 2008 12:05 AM (f3xJa) 58
There are plenty of survivalists who aren't LDS.
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 13, 2008 12:12 AM (TpmQk) 59
pistry,
that's what i'm talking about, but "searching the internet for assertions by anonymous commenters" won't get us on an unnamed news network. I got a billion of those. I need live bodies who can prove they lived there or moved in those circles who are willing to talk on camear. Posted by: ace at October 13, 2008 12:18 AM (1WR4H) Posted by: ace at October 13, 2008 12:20 AM (1WR4H) 61
>>>I am wondering if you are looking for help wrt Ayers babysitting for
Obama, or Vera, or the old chicago restaurant? I have read about it
all... ahaha
Let me know if you need someone to help with research. Yes but alas I'm not talking about research. I don't think the internet will obtain here. We need a real person going on record.
Posted by: ace at October 13, 2008 12:22 AM (1WR4H) 62
I mean, there are all these people saying this in comments.
Most of them are hear-sayers, but some of them must know. the time for testimony-by-comment is over. there's a real live reporter willing to go with this story, but not if these people are going to hide behind comments. Posted by: ace at October 13, 2008 12:23 AM (1WR4H) 63
Gosh. You are soliciting PUMA's? a couple of days ago you had a thread going with some women openly calling their own general population of women thoroughly insipid and vacuous. except those who, of course, who post here.
Don't get me wrong, I think you present some of the better, more accurate info pertaining to the current affair(s). Given how cutting edge you seem to be, I am regardless aghast at the general discourse among your subscribers. Putting it bluntly..... you ain't gonna get a whole lotta folks to take you as seriously nor want to assist you when you persist on allowing the word "cunt" to be so flippantly bandied about. Boy, them's fightin' words. So good luck wit dem PUMA's, but even though I'm on your side, I am taken aback. FYI: I don't generally stick around to "converse" with those who'd like to piss on my opinion. I move on. Posted by: derak at October 13, 2008 01:22 AM (9oaT0) 64
Try justsaynodeal.com or justsaynodeal on facebook.
Posted by: k at October 13, 2008 01:35 AM (9C2hP) 65
Ace - Then I suggest you try Hillbuzz. They are in Chicago, and seem to know a lot. Sorry I can't help.
Posted by: sarainitaly at October 13, 2008 06:10 AM (A6/e/) Posted by: cawebb at October 13, 2008 10:34 AM (YKOAn) 67
Jack Cashill is saying that Ayers ghost-wrote "Dreams From My Father". About all he's proven is motive and proximity to the crime, but his stuff is interesting even though if it were a murder trial we'd have to let the guy off based upon the burden of proof "beyond a reasonable doubt" Kind of like the O.J. trial, but with marginally smarter jurers... Anyway, if this could actually be proven it might make a difference to 4% of the electorate who fall within the category of tepid Obama "leaners", which is all we'd need to win in November. So, that could be a big deal. If someone came up with a real paper trail or somebody willing to talk. I'm pretty sure Cashill doesn't have that, though.
Posted by: Old Tom at October 13, 2008 03:17 PM (f1yKn) 68
You wanna know why nobody is coming forward with this Ayers Obama thing? Because it's a bunch of desperate people making a mountain out of a mole hill that doesn't exist. It was already brought up 8 months ago and nothing came of it then or since.
Most of you are not nor never Hillary supporters and America knows it, but nice try. Posted by: Republican Christians for Obama at October 13, 2008 09:58 PM (nWpD0) 69
Why dont you contact Evelyn Pringle of OPEDNEWS? She has lots of connections and wrote a series on Rezkos trial and Obamas association with Rezko.. Lots of Luck!
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