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CNN: Obama's Spin About a Short, Casual Friendship with Ayers is Bullshit

Dirty Harry has the vid, which I will steal, but also direct you there for more.

Snarf: CNN previously "truth squaded" this outrageous claim of a long-term significant personal and political relationship between Ayers and Obama and found it very misleading.

I guess it seems misleading if your "reportage" is limited merely to the spin from the Obama campaign.

Obama Didn't Know About the Terrorist Ayers and His Charles-Manson-Fan Psychopath Wife Bernadette Dohrn? Roger Simon finds that hard to believe, given that there was a late-eighties lightly-fictionalized movie about their days on the lam called Running on Empty. Any man of the left-- which Obama obviously was --would have known about it.

And I'm not kidding about that serial-killer jock-sniffer psycho-whore wife of Ayers' -- also a fast friend in the Michelle-Barack-William-Bernie quartet.

In 1969, shortly after members of the Manson Family committed the brutal Tate/LaBianca murders, Dohrn, speaking before an audience of SDS members, exclaimed, “Dig it! Manson killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, then they shoved a fork into a victim's stomach.”

Um, that's the first quote I found, but it's wrong: Dohrn was specifically celebrating sticking the fork into the belly of the very pregnant Sharon Tate, murdering the child within.

She also made a gesture with three fingers extended like a fork -- an attempt at a slightly more psychopathic Nazi salute.

Posted by: Ace at 12:48 AM



Comments

1 Thankfully, we are seeing the manifestation of the most powerful force in the universe: Hillary Clinton's belief that she can take Sarah Palin in 2012.

Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at October 07, 2008 12:52 AM (ZDotw)

2 This is not the CNN I control knew.

Posted by: Barack Obama at October 07, 2008 12:53 AM (MY+kJ)

3 "Thankfully, we are seeing the manifestation of the most powerful force in the universe: Hillary Clinton's belief that she can take Sarah Palin in 2012."

I have to figure out a way to turn that into a bumper sticker. Because "truer words ain't never been spoke."

Posted by: notropis at October 07, 2008 12:55 AM (StdkW)

4 Hey, props to Anderson Cooper for just putting the facts out there even though it hurts his boy. 

I normally think this guy is a total doofus, but credit where credit is due.

Posted by: dan-O at October 07, 2008 12:58 AM (teb/C)

5 More please.

Posted by: counter at October 07, 2008 12:58 AM (8/0ME)

6 This "only 7 years old line" is going to hurt the Obama campaign because it's been repeated so much everyone knows it.  It means nothing and people's bullshit detectors go off.

Posted by: Z Ryan at October 07, 2008 01:02 AM (PDeVA)

7 Do you get the feeling Cooper hadn't seen that piece and wasn't real thrilled with it during the Q&A?

Posted by: DrewM. at October 07, 2008 01:02 AM (hlYel)

8 That video is downloading excruciatingly slow. Is YouTube/Google fucking with us? Should we just relocate the conservative videos to a better hosting place?

Posted by: Al at October 07, 2008 01:02 AM (Lk931)

9 The left is so obvious.

McBush McBush McBush *Obama didn't even know about Ayers' past, donchaknow* McBush McBush McBush *move along...nothing to see here* McBush McBush McBush

Posted by: PowerPro at October 07, 2008 01:03 AM (JPEqm)

10
I normally think this guy is a total doofus, but credit where credit is due.

Right here. I finally got this Imperius Curse thingy under control.

Next up, watch as Alan Colmes goes up three IQ points by being transfigured into an actual lizard.


Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at October 07, 2008 01:04 AM (ZDotw)

11 Katie Couric is such a partisan hack.  Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJQveA6_Kb0

(via the Corner at NRO)

And she wonders why she is driving the ratings for CBS Evening News into the ground.  What an elitist bitch.

Posted by: dan-O at October 07, 2008 01:07 AM (teb/C)

12 Wow.   I was especially surprised how they mentioned that Ayers never repented and said he wished he had done more as recently as 2001.  That's the part that completely destroys the bullshit that the Obama camp says about Obama being 7 years old.  Ayers has never repented or even regretted what he did.  He is STILL a domestic terrorist.  Just an inactive one.  We don't call people "former murderers" do we?  So why do people say Ayers is a "former terrorist?"

Posted by: james at October 07, 2008 01:11 AM (e7UT/)

13

I can see it. obama gives a glorious speech denouncing ayers. Camera cuts to chris matthews and olbermann. Both matthews and olbermann twiddling with themselves while chanting "obama, we are not worthy."

Posted by: KCLady at October 07, 2008 01:12 AM (9qagL)

14 Also, doesn't it say something about how fucking crooked Chicago is that they named Bill Ayers "Citizen of the Year" in 1997?  I mean...what the fuck?  There weren't any repentant rapists cleaning up city parks who deserved it more?

Posted by: james at October 07, 2008 01:13 AM (e7UT/)

15 Wait a minute.  Was that CNN from the universe where Spock has a goatee?   The Internets connect with that other universe? I thought it's called NNC in that parallel universe...wtf?

Posted by: FloofyParisParamus at October 07, 2008 01:14 AM (Jwex8)

16 By the way, the "Special Investigative Reporter" who did this, Drew Griffin, also reported for CNN about how Obama and Biden both voted FOR the Bridge to Nowhere twice.

http://newsbusters.org/people/drew-griffin

Posted by: james at October 07, 2008 01:15 AM (e7UT/)

17 Anderson obviously didn't listen to Stanley Kurtz when he was talking about how they were going to "improve" education. Nimrod. With that being said, glad to see something about this on the Communist News Network.

Posted by: kimberly at October 07, 2008 01:16 AM (Rpam5)

18 Jonah Goldberg talks about what the Weather Underground truly represented.

http://tinyurl.com/484ke7

Convinced that all whites were born tainted with the
original sin of “skin privilege,” the fighting brigade of the New Left
internalized racialist thinking as hatred of their own whiteness. “All
white babies are pigs,” declared one Weatherman. On one occasion
the feminist poet Robin Morgan was breast-feeding her son at the of-
fices of the radical journal Rat. A Weatherwoman saw this and told
her, “You have no right to have that pig male baby.” “How can you
say that?” Morgan asked. “What should I do?” “Put it in the
garbage,” the Weatherwoman answered.

No wonder Barack Obama didn't see anything wrong with Ayers or his buddies; they were only spouting the same thing he was clapping and cheering to every Sunday at Trinity.

Posted by: North Dallas Thirty at October 07, 2008 01:17 AM (ZDotw)

19 Any guesses as to how long it will take for the truth squad to show up and kill educate this Drew guy? 

He'd better be checking his car for bombs.  I'm not even kidding.

Posted by: kal at October 07, 2008 01:19 AM (atUWl)

20 Obama is Ayers's new domestic terror weapon.  Much more effective than a bomb.

Posted by: kal at October 07, 2008 01:20 AM (atUWl)

21 Hmm, my comment went missing.  Drew Griffin seems pretty evenhanded.  I think he deserves a little recognition. Check out this paragraph from a quick writeup he did about a special he did on Sarah Palin:

"Of course the opinions were equally divided based on your political leanings. Democrats began e-mailing reporter types with their talking points: evil, vindictive, lightweight, a conservative Christian out to tell us how to breed, teach and read. In a word, dangerous.

Republican talking points included: outside-the-beltway, corruption fighter, executive experience. A real person grounded in family, country and apple pie. (Make that moose burgers). And, it turns out, the celebrity antidote to the Obama star factor.

Sarah Palin turns out to be much more human than either the Republicans or Democrats would have you believe."

Posted by: james at October 07, 2008 01:22 AM (e7UT/)

22 Here's the link to that quick CNN blog post:
http://tinyurl.com/4mleee

Posted by: james at October 07, 2008 01:23 AM (e7UT/)

23

#15 FloofyParisParamu wrote, "Wait a minute. Was that CNN from the universe where Spock has a goatee? The Internets connect with that other universe? I thought it's called NNC in that parallel universe...wtf?"

You can't spell Clinton without CNN.

Posted by: Looking Glass at October 07, 2008 01:23 AM (7qIIr)

24 By the way, will this be CNN's token "investigative piece" giving them license to ignore Obama's odious morals for the next month?

Posted by: FloofyParisParamus at October 07, 2008 01:26 AM (Jwex8)

25 #24:  I'd bet my pants on it.

Posted by: james at October 07, 2008 01:29 AM (e7UT/)

26 Anderson Cooper was about to shit his pants after that "special report".  Drew Griffin<sp> clearly is/was a Hillary supporter, and Anderson Cooper was scrambling around with a wet towel trying to put out the fire in the studio.  Funny shit right there.

K

Posted by: Kestrel♠ at October 07, 2008 01:29 AM (p6Tpr)

27 God, this thread makes me feel so good I wanna marry it, then cheat on it with Harry's thread.

Posted by: wankette at October 07, 2008 01:29 AM (X52+B)

28 Huh. They had an Obama campaign spokeswoman throughout, but the reporter confesses, "I haven't asked the McCain campaign about this report." Well done, CNN.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at October 07, 2008 01:38 AM (rWvvO)

29

Jesus, could Anderson have been paler at the end of that?  Dude just totally called out Obama as a liar.  LoL

I wonder if Jenny Backus thinks Drew Griffin is a fluffy bunny.

This stuff will freak out a lot of old people.  I think that is the point.  If Obama can go around Florida telling them McCain is gonna take away their Social Security and leave them all homeless, McCain can tell them Obama hangs around with one of those Charlie Manson-Jerry Rubin types that horrified them back in the 60s when they were raising their kids and being good citizens.  Old people remember the 60s VERY well and they are not going to vote for some guy they don't know who hangs around with a guy like this that they DO know.

Oh, and note to the astroturfers:  old people do not care about Charlie Keating.  Neither do we.

Posted by: rockmom at October 07, 2008 01:43 AM (iZqUY)

30 Man I love watching the part where Cooper trips over is vagina to rush The O's defense.  The only thing better would have been calliope music in the background.

K

Posted by: Kestrel♠ at October 07, 2008 01:44 AM (p6Tpr)

31 Next up, watch as Alan Colmes goes up three IQ points by being transfigured into an actual lizard.

Thank you, now come over here and pay for my ruined keyboard and monitor.

Posted by: OregonMuse at October 07, 2008 01:44 AM (iXNy9)

32 I thought this was quite a remarkable CNN news report. And then I read comment #24. It is clearly CYA to ward off subsequent bias charges.

Posted by: OregonMuse at October 07, 2008 01:46 AM (iXNy9)

33 Yeah I got a chill the first time I heard that "dig it" quote from Ayers's wife.  You know, we all do stupid things we're young, but I don't think that kind of psychopathology is ever outgrown.

I wouldn't turn my back on that woman.

Maybe she'll be Messiah's Secretary of the Interior or something.  Attorney General, maybe?

Posted by: Kensington at October 07, 2008 01:50 AM (xFNQx)

34 I think this report is an example of the dims eating their own.
I imagine their are lots of "reporters" (and I use that term in the most disdainful way possible) that are still pissed about the shitty way Obama treated Hillary.  Some of it was bound to seep through the cracks.  The expression on Coopers face, and the tone of his voice makes me believe he had no idea what was in that report before it aired.

K

Posted by: Kestrel♠ at October 07, 2008 01:52 AM (p6Tpr)

35 So when Palin said terrorists, plural, she was right.

Posted by: ricky at October 07, 2008 01:53 AM (muUqs)

36 For fucks sake! Anderson Cooper was bending over SIDEWAYS at the end there trying to get Drew to defend Obama and whitewash this thing... this is not a new CNN, or a temporarily lucid one, it's just the same old crap.

Posted by: G at October 07, 2008 02:04 AM (FAYNo)

37

Thanks for the link, Ace.

Just hope the campaign, blogs, and 'Cuda focus on Obama lying in that debate to George Stepha-what's-his-name.

People can write off the guilt by association, but not Obama lying on national television about the relationship.

It's the lie that's the story. The covering up. That's what will shake people and make them really wonder what's going on.

Glad Obama's been working out, he'll need to be in shape for all the under-the-bus throwing between now and Nov. 4th.

By the way, we now have 2 polls showing Obama's lead has shrunk to 3.

 

 

Posted by: Dirty Harry at October 07, 2008 02:08 AM (gmndN)

38 I saw that piece on CNN tonight and I nearly fell off the sofa when they actually admitted that Ayers is a little more to Obama than "a guy in the neighborhood".  Anderson Cooper nearly choked on the words.  If McCain can get across what a fraud Obama is while simultaneously pounding in the fact that he wants to raise taxes, he just may be able pull this off.

Posted by: jana at October 07, 2008 02:10 AM (vSRlG)

39 Actual American political reporting from CNN. I think I've seen it all.

Posted by: Christoph at October 07, 2008 02:12 AM (hawOV)

40

Wow its about time the press shed some light on this issue good job Anderson Cooper. Now it's up to McCain to bring this up to Obama in the debate tomorrow. I would love to see the look on Obamas face.

Posted by: johnny at October 07, 2008 02:19 AM (aSSbO)

41 Did you notice Anita Dunn's, Obama-Ayers association apologist (at ~2:00, ~4:55), blink rate? She practically did campaign response with her eyes closed.

Some people might call that a tell.

Lying by Obama and team is reaching epidemic proportions.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 07, 2008 02:33 AM (sI5Ho)

42 Dirty Harry,

Take a look at the percentage of party representation on the CBS:

Dems:  37.9%
Reps:   28.4%
Indies:  33.7%

And McCain has a 5% lead with Indies.  Um, these polls suck, in that they are very weighted.... and because they suck. 

Posted by: Editor at October 07, 2008 02:37 AM (p4YSL)

43 35 So when Palin said terrorists, plural, she was right.

Posted by: ricky at October 07, 2008 01:53 AM (muUqs)

__________________

You can count Odinga in there too I think.  After all, Obama as a sitting US Senator, went to Kenya and campaigned with this genocidal marxist on our tax dollars.

I daresay they did a great deal of palling around together, being cousins and all and of that same change-through-radicalism/community agitation philosophy.



Posted by: PowerPro at October 07, 2008 02:44 AM (JPEqm)

44 So, Obama's going to bomb the US and try to undermine America because he and Ayers have worked closely and tirelessly to finally go through with this plan.

Oh, wait a minute, Obama will probably just end up trying to make education better to make Americans stronger, because THAT'S why he was working with Ayers-- not as a domestic terrorist. What an awful guy.

Not to mention that Ayers-- in perfect Republican form-- was quoted out of context. Quote Ayers:
"The one thing I don't regret is opposing the war in Vietnam with every ounce of my being.... When I say, 'We didn't do enough,' a lot of people rush to think, 'That must mean, "We didn't bomb enough shit."' But that's not the point at all. It's not a tactical statement, it's an obvious political and ethical statement. In this context, 'we' means 'everyone.'"

Those god damned evil Vietnam War opposers. They'll do anything to make this country weaker. Oh, wait another minute, they opposed a war that made our country weaker, my bad.

This post goes out to toby928, who apparently thinks that news from 5 days ago is unworthy of discussing and can only be bothered to discuss breaking Republican propaganda that hasn't passed any fact-checks yet.

Posted by: Democrat at October 07, 2008 02:54 AM (c0h/V)

45

Remember the deck of cards of Baathists and terrorists in Iraq?

With all the bombers, bumblers, crooks, and liars associated with Obama, I reckon we could fill up an entire deck.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at October 07, 2008 03:08 AM (wgLRl)

46

At least "Democrat" is making what appear to be, on their face, reasonable arguments.  I must, however, disagree with him, her, himher, or whatever on a salient point: OK, let us assume the remarks are completely IN context.  So what?  The fact remains that his chosen method was "to bomb enough shit."

This is like parsing an Osama Bin Laden statement of his grievances.  It does not matter how he rationalizes his actions.  Bill Ayers and his fellows were all about "bombing shit."

Do we even need to get into the lovely ring made of metal from downed American aircraft?

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at October 07, 2008 03:15 AM (wgLRl)

47

What's this Drew guy doing getting journalism in my CNN.

Posted by: jarod at October 07, 2008 03:28 AM (jKvSW)

48

Snarf: CNN previously "truth squaded" this outrageous claim of a long-term significant personal and political

SNARF SNARF!!

Some of you might find my post at AMA Interesting, as long as you are Chi-towners.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 07, 2008 04:08 AM (ul7te)

49 Democrat, you make reasnable and cogent arguments.  THank you for your courtesy.  Allow me to respond in kind re: Ayers.

The "didn't do enough" linne is not damning because he said he wanted to plant more bombs (I more or less agree with you that he probably didn't mean he wanted to bomb shit more than once a day).  They set off bombs pretty much every day for a while there, so there's not much more they COULD bomb.  No, the point that the quote illustrates is that Ayers does not think what he did was WRONG.  He may not want to plant more bombs, but neither does he want to repudiate his planting of bombs.  He is, honestly, an UNREPENTANT terrorist.  A man who sought to bomb soldiers at a dance.  A man who hoped to kill "pigs" if possible.

AND HE DOESN'T REGRET IT.

Posted by: moronizer at October 07, 2008 04:24 AM (JxyMA)

50 "Dohrn was specifically celebrating sticking the fork into the belly of the very pregnant Sharon Tate, murdering the child within."

No. The fork was stuck in Mr. LaBianca, I'm pretty sure - maybe Mrs. LaBianca. Not Tate.

(read Helter Skelter way too many times in high school).

Posted by: Knemon at October 07, 2008 07:28 AM (KfWko)

51

Stolen from Lucianne.com: If this isn't a perfect zinger for a debate, I have not seen one.

Reply 4 - Posted by: MsFalconersCabanaBoy, 10/7/2008 4:55:02 AM

A constitutional law lecturer and editor of the Harvard Law Review is unfamiliar with the case of William Ayers -- a domestic terrorist who walks around a free man today because of the exclusionary rule? REALLY?

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at October 07, 2008 07:48 AM (wgLRl)

52

How come this damn thing don't post?

 

Posted by: Cluebat from Exodar at October 07, 2008 08:11 AM (y67bA)

53

The Wikipedia entry has been changed to remove any reference to Sharon Tate being the victim of the post-mortem fork assault.

Found some references. Here is one: http://tinyurl.com/49tnvp -which provides a link to a book where the quote is referenced.

Seems that the whole article has been sanitized. Same with the Ayers article. Really been a frenzy of editing there.

Yea, they got us this time. I don't think that there is a chance of winning against a force with such a stranglehold on the truth.

I think it's time to plan for the worst-case scenario.

I know a nice place in Tennessee. Good hunting and fishing and several friends in the neighborhood.

Gotta have a plan- I know they do. Planning to destroy this nation so it can be remade into some socialist utopia. And they may just do it this time. They have a candidate with all the right stuff.

Oh btw, according to the link she trains the people at CPA who will take your kids away. A pscychopathic Social Worker. How fitting.

Posted by: Cluebat from Exodar at October 07, 2008 08:15 AM (Mv/2X)

54

There.

Buddy your toolbar didn't like the embedded link I tried to put in.

Posted by: Cluebat from Exodar at October 07, 2008 08:17 AM (cqZXM)

55 I wonder which CNN reporter will be covering State fairs from now on.

Posted by: CrazyCanuck at October 07, 2008 08:27 AM (Sx0vj)

56 "Dohrn was specifically celebrating sticking the fork into the belly of the very pregnant Sharon Tate, murdering the child within."

No. The fork was stuck in Mr. LaBianca, I'm pretty sure - maybe Mrs. LaBianca. Not Tate.

(read Helter Skelter way too many times in high school).

The carving fork was repeatedly  stabbed into  Leno  Labianca's  stomach  by  Patricia Krenwinkle because she 
"liked to  watch  it  wiggle".This was  after  Tex  Watson  had  carved  "WAR" into Leno's stomach.

  The Ayers association along with 20 yrs. in a church that teaches Black Separatism either shows that Obama maintains and conceals seriously leftist radical views or does not have the judgment or intelligence to be President.
  His lame line concerning Ayers is the same as the one with Wright.The "This isn't the Ayers I knew" can only be swallowed by the true Obama cultist.The fact that the Obama campaign is going with this line shows just how weak their defense is of Obama and his radical associations.
  The more people hear this lame excuse by the Obama campaign concerning his close friends and associates,the better it will be for McCain.Combine this with Obama's ties
to Fannie/Freddie and their obstruction of any oversight and we could see a serious unraveling of this over hyped
American Idol candidate the press and hollywood love so much.   




Posted by: Baxter Greene at October 07, 2008 09:14 AM (5NHPy)

57

If Obama doesn't really know Ayers or Dohrn (who in my opinion is much worse than Ayers) how did Mike Klonsky, another prominent SDSer, end up getting $175,000 from Annanberg to work on a small schools project (Ayer's baby) and wind up as a blogger for Obama before he was disappeared by the campaign?  Is it really credible that Obama or his wife never met Bernadine Dohrn or were familiar with her background even though they all worked at the same law firm, Sidley, Austin, in Chicago?  This was a woman who was number 2 on the FBI's Most Wanted list at one time. A woman Hoover who was running the FBI at the time called "The most dangeroous woman in America".  How did Obama, a guy who said he joined Trinity Church so he could better plug into the political environment of Chicago, not know of some of the most notorious domestic terrorists in this country's history?

Obama is either lying through his teeth or criminally stupid.

And Ace, the quote from Dohrn is correct.  It appeared in the NYT on September 11, 2001. Interesting day for the NYT to publish an interview with a terrorist.  In the same article Ayers is quoted as saying.

''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.''

So Democrat, if you have a problem with the quote, your argument is with the NYT not Toby.  He doesn't regret a thing he did.  And Obama knows it.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 07, 2008 09:39 AM (VBon8)

58 see also rick moran's latest post ... I pasted links into the current top post comments but it took 6 or 7 attempts so go to that one

there is a 1997 story placing Barack, William, and Michelle in a forum together ... the storm troops are really hating this one so post it everywhere ...

Posted by: gh at October 07, 2008 10:37 AM (EhUaQ)

59 Correction: The fork business happened at the LaBiance house - a different night for the Manson kids. The didn't do anything with a fork to Sharon Tate. If you aspire to accuracy you should amend that.

Posted by: Hogan at October 07, 2008 10:40 AM (JxMoP)

60 LaBianca, excuse me

Posted by: Hogan at October 07, 2008 10:40 AM (JxMoP)

61 You know, if a Republican shared so much as a ride in an elevator with a former KKK member or other such scumbag, his political career would be over.  Certainly his presidential aspirations.

Posted by: Powdered Milk Man at October 07, 2008 01:32 PM (Kk9Xt)

62

Democrat (coh/V) - No those good little protestors were complicit in the genocide of millions. And not accidentally.

Ayers was not against the war! He was on the other side. The side that stood for for the continueing world wide genocide that was communism.

But I know everything was wonderful in Vietnam after the war and in Cuba now. That's why thousands of people die every year trying to sneak into those countries in leaky boats. Am I right?

Posted by: Have Blue at October 07, 2008 01:34 PM (WuPk/)

63 To Balrog - The difference between Ayers and Osama is that Ayers did not (if I am correct) kill or hurt anyone with his bombs. As I understand, they were relatively small and damaged only property in efforts to make a statement. This statement was that he did not support the loss of American life over in Vietnam. He was a protester, not a terrorist.

To moronizer - Ayers does not feel that the cause of his movement (to oppose the war in Vietnam) was wrong, and that cause is not wrong. Bombing is certainly a criminal method of expressing that cause, but the quote that I posted earlier begins with "The one thing I don't regret is opposing the war in Vietnam with every ounce of my being...."  This means that he does regret his actions, but the ONLY thing he doesn't regret is the cause.

To JackStraw - See above. Also, that NYTimes quote was spliced between two statements which were both out of context, one being "I don't regret setting bombs," the other being "I feel we didn't do enough." It was clever grammatical play by the NYT to make it seem like one continous sentence or thought that came out of his mouth, but notice that the quote isn't cited as "I don't regret setting bombs; I feel we didn't do enough," which WOULD indicate that he wanted to bomb more. And for the record, the quote I found was from years after the NYT quote, and- as seen above- does indicate that he regrets everything but the cause of his group.

Posted by: Democrat at October 07, 2008 01:42 PM (c0h/V)

64 if I am correct

Alas, you are not.  The bomb that kill Ayers confederates Ted Gold, Ayers' close friend Terry Robbins, and Ayers' girlfriend, Diana Oughton was a nail bomb intend for a NCO's dance at Fort Dix.  It exploded prematurely.  (some sources place the target elsewhere but none the less, the devices they were assembling were anti-personnel in nature)

Only their incompetence kept the killing to themselves.

BTW, Good to see you up here, democrat, and welcome.

Posted by: toby928: Caesarist at October 07, 2008 03:33 PM (evdj2)

65 How long can they rely on incompetence aas a defense? I feel they should try to do more. then if they should tragically fail, what remains of Mr. Ayers could be freeze dried, diced into cubes and sent to H. Chavez along with a pack of mojito mix.

Posted by: xantippe cross at October 07, 2008 04:03 PM (lB/5N)

66 Toby - The only place I saw Ayers' name in that article was at the end where he pointed out a disagreement between two members about whether or not the use of anti-personnel bombs was appropriate. That indicates to me that not all members approved of any killing (not to mention that Ayers wasn't even there).

According to David Gilbert, "[their] goal was to not hurt any people, and a lot of work went into that. But we wanted to pick targets that showed to the public who was responsible for what was really going on."

After the Greenwich Village explosion, no one was killed by WUO bombs.

We were very careful from the moment of the townhouse on to be sure we weren't going to hurt anybody, and we never did hurt anybody. Whenever we put a bomb in a public space, we had figured out all kinds of ways to put checks and balances on the thing and also to get people away from it, and we were remarkably successful.
—Bill Ayers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)

Posted by: Democrat at October 08, 2008 12:13 AM (c0h/V)

67 Democrat, I'm not sure I'd go with the defense that Ayers was a member and founder of a group that both attempted to murder civilians and actually did murder policemen, but because he never was the trigger man, he's exempt from being an accessory.  I would think that defense would work for a lot of klansmen, Red Army Factioners, and other unsavory characters as well.

Having lived through that era, I find Ayer's post underground protestations unconvincing, especially as other radicals have clearly renounced both their own aims and methods.  Ayers hasn't.

Really, the argument is whether any real person could have a person such as Ayers a financial and political patron and be able to succeed as a national politician.  I would have thought not but the Obama campaign has so far been able to squirt enough ink to obfuscate his relationship and the press won't ask the questions.

If McCain were associated with former abortion clinic arsonists or even The Minutemen border groups, the press would have that front and center everyday.

Posted by: toby928 at October 08, 2008 09:18 AM (evdj2)

68 The point is, people are throwing the T-word around as if he bombed the WTC, when in reality he was in- at its core- a Vietnam protest group. That hardly makes him any kind of threat to the US-- let alone Obama, whose working relationship with him had absolutely nothing to do with bombing anyone, but rather improving education, etc.

That being said- and to respond to your last point- I think it's more of a problem, then, that McCain is sponsored by big oil, with current vested interests.

Posted by: Democrat at October 08, 2008 12:02 PM (c0h/V)

69 I think it's more of a problem, then, that McCain is sponsored by big oil, with current vested interests.

Eh?  Obama has taken more donations from Exxon employees (industry being forbidden to donate at all to anyone) than McCain.  And McCain hasn't exactly been a servant of the oil industry anyway.  Good lord man, he opposes drilling in ANWAR, a place for which the term God Forsaken Wasteland was coined.

I don't know what has given you the impression that either the SDS or WU was a Indochina war protest movement, they were flat out and unabashedly Marxist revolutionary.  The sea in which they swam may have been motivated by not getting killed in Vietnam but they themselves were always and only about smashing the system and empowering themselves to lead the proles.

I remember.

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Interesting and counter the common wisdom.

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"Any man of the left-- which Obama obviously was --would have known about it."

Amazing. That level of idiocy is jaw-dropping. The fact that you can deliver lines like that with a straight face is incredible. I'm a "man of the left" and I've never heard of the movie you're referring to. So your "proof" was based on a very flimsy and unfounded assumption out of your own imagination. Obama met him as a Professor, probably learned of his past bit by bit, never hearing the full story. No one else was treating him like a terrorist. He was never convicted of anything. How was he supposed to know the whole story?

It is , at least, completely believable that in 95 Obama was unaware or incompletely aware, of Ayers past. Your assertion that he "would have known about it" because of this movie you refer to, is lame. The increasing desperation of the right is becoming more and more funny.

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75 So your "proof" was based on a very flimsy and unfounded assumption out of your own imagination.

I don't think that was intended as a "proof" but rather as another bit of circumstance to add to the pile.  Another example, along with the many articles in Obama's local paper mentioning Ayers past, of how oblivious Obama would of have to have been to be "unaware". 

I'm a "man of the left" and I've never heard of the movie you're referring to.

Ah, but were you also unaware of who and what William Ayers was?

It is , at least, completely believable that in 95 Obama was unaware or incompletely aware, of Ayers past.

While I will grant that it was remotely possible in 1995, (although I think it unlikely considering the circles that Obama moved in since 1983) do you maintain that he was unaware after 9/11/2001, when the Ayers I didn't do enough piece was published?  He maintained a relationship from then up until he began his presidential run in 2005.

 

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Obama lied in the 3rd debate - he denied that his political career was launched in the Ayers living room -  watch at 4:00 forward... PROOF of yet another OBAMA lie!

The thug should not be trusted with watching your DOG! Trusting Obama to manage the country is like asking a wolf to guard the henhouse !!!!  

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