1 McCain really needs to go nuclear tomorrow. Seems like he has his talking points ready. Just hope he gets to use them.

2 me = choir
lorien = person preaching to a choir

3 This is not the awesome blog I knew.

4 Don't believe any one poll, but you better be believin' the average trend.

5 I do not have a good feeling about tomorrow's "debate". Those craptacular "town hall" things usually turn into pander-fests that make me want to tear out my hair in frustration.

6

I dont believe it for a moment.

We're done guys.

7 Ace, you're right about calling CBS's poll an outlier. CBS has generally, and traditionally, been less reliable in it's polling data than Gallup or Rasmussen.

I also say the same, as I pointed out earlier, about Survey USA and it's polling data (which is traditionally all over the place, and unreliable therein.)

8 Especially since Obama piece-o'-shit Barney Frank is claiming that attacking Democrats' idiot decisions to force banks to make bad loans and refusing to control Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is now racist.

http://tinyurl.com/44qzx5

Frank should be pulled onto national TV and asked point-blank if requiring black people to meet the same standards as white people to be loaned money is racist. Ten to one he says it is.

9 Hot Air is pessimistic?  Surely you are mistaken.

10 Bring on the happy.

But Ace ain't gonna be happy until he sees all the grimacing on MSNBC come election night, once they have to reluctantly admit that their savior lost.

I'll be happy once I see Sarah's hand on the good book swearing to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution, hopefully around noon on Jan 20th, 2013.

11 And if McCain is smart, that's exactly what he'll do: force Obama to state on national TV that requiring minorities to meet the same credit standards as whites is "racist", and that people who are in bankruptcy should automatically have their loan amounts reduced, with taxpayers picking up the tab.

12 #11

... and hearing John Roberts say "Congratulations, Madam Vice President".

13 I'm with E. Winner. This election is already over.

McCain has done too little far too late. I blame the idiotic GOP voters who helped secure his nomination. Why in blue blazes would an old, cancer-stricken RINO stand a chance against a young, captivating liberal?

Our nation is a very superficial one, especially among young voters. McCain is just unelectable in their eyes -- and mine, too. He's a fucking jabroni.

With a capital 'J.'

14 Fire all weapons and keep firing until the election.

15 h2u, fuck you.

16 Let me get this straight...

McCain closes the gap despite the view among those polled that Biden won the debate?

I think Palin's performance may have closed the gap, and people are afraid to admit they like Palin.

17 Paying attention to the polls is poor for my mental health, the idea of Obama winning freaks me out

18 "And if McCain is smart, that's exactly what he'll do: force Obama to state on national TV that requiring minorities to meet the same credit standards as whites is "racist", and that people who are in bankruptcy should automatically have their loan amounts reduced, with taxpayers picking up the tab."

I'd take all of my remaining vacation (5 weeks) and campaign for McCain 24x7 if he did that.  He would win the election by 10 if that would actually happen.

19
I do not have a good feeling about tomorrow's "debate". Those craptacular "town hall" things usually turn into pander-fests that make me want to tear out my hair in frustration.

Ditto.

This is one of the few times I wish we were more like Britain, where opposing politicians are not shy about expressing the hatred they really do feel for each other.

I never truly disliked a large number of my fellow Americans until this election. This one's a watershed for me, and I've been around the block a few times.

I'll be glad when it's over.

20

McCain is making a huge mistake if he doesn't continue to hammer the donks for being at the center of the financial meltdown.  Even in ultra-liberal MA, people are beginning to turn on Barney and the rest of the clowns who brought us to the brink of disaster.

This issue is going to be front and center well past election day.  People are getting pummeled and they are pissed and afraid and every other issue is is secondary. 

The facts are on McCain's side.  Keep firing.

21 "h2u, fuck you."

Grow up, Cristoph. McCain IS a horrible candidate. Need I list the ways? How about his fucking stance on illegal immigration? That's a BIG fucking problem. Add to it his age, unattractiveness and lack of chutzpah and the man is unelectable.

But keep deluding yourself it makes you feel better. Douchebag.

22 Even if McCain can't win on this issue, I am quite sure there is a meaningful difference between losing on one issue by five and losing by 30.

Very Much Agreed, Ace.  With as much videotape at hand of Democrats saying "Nothing wrong with F&F!" as there is in this situation, not to mention the other mountains of evidence, if we can't at least make this issue a draw, we really might as well just give up completely.  I don't think things are that bad.  If anything, this could prove to be the best opportunity we'll ever have to destroy the BS "Democrats are less greedy and better on the economy" meme.  Would be horrific to waste it.

Qwinn

23

I don't know.

I knew I remembered this from 2004, when everyone started "leaking" that Kerry was gonna win ohio by a large margin.

“We want to look at the exit polls,” Jackson said, referring to at least two non-partisan Election Day polls, by Zogby and CNN, which gave Kerry 53 percent and 51 percent of the vote, respectively. “We don’t want to be presumptuous, but these numbers in the Butler, Clarmont, Warren and Hamilton counties are suspicious.”

The pro-Kerry camp believed that they should have had an at least 2% (actually 5%  if you include the third party's) lead over Bush in ohio.  If you base it on the more positivie guage by Zogby, Kerry was banking on a 6%, more like 9% victory over bush, when factoring independants.

Then midday, though not reported until after the polls close, supposedly Rove rallied the troops and said that his polls said different.

So The polls, that offered at least a 2% (actually 5%) advantage to Kerry ended up being wrong.

Just like every battleground poll.

Oh, I just grabbed the first linky.

24 Another day, another charge of racism:


"Rep. Barney Frank said Monday that Republican criticism of Democrats over the nation's housing crisis is a veiled attack on the poor that's racially motivated.

The Massachusetts Democrat, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, said the GOP is appealing to its base by blaming the country's mortgage foreclosure problem on efforts to expand affordable housing through the Community Reinvestment Act."


People say the financial crisis is the Republicans fault cause they did nothing when they controlled the White House and Congress. I say any attempt to rein in Fannie and Freddie would have resulted in charges of racism. Today, Barney Frank proves the point.

25 The Cancer Stricken thing, was a load of shit h2u, and you should find some way of feeling like a piece of shit for mentioning it.

26 h2u: you do realise, right, that "E. Winner" is an Ace-regular under a satirical sockpuppet.

27 We're not just doomed. 

We're "Secretary of the Treasury Barney Frank" doomed.  We're "Secretary of State Michael Moore" doomed.  We're "Secretary of Defense Cindy Sheehan" doomed.  We're "Supreme Court Justice William Ayers" doomed.

To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

It could be worse.  I could be a Cubs fan.

28 Two things I fear about tomorrow night:

1) People will coo about how much Obama seems to really care about them whether he says anything of substance.

2) Axelrod has manged a plant or two.  Can you see Obama Girl asking a question?  I can.

As a bonus, if McCain answers every single freaking question with the need to trim government spending, he deserves to lose.    

29 Wickedpinto, it's fucking evident every time you look at him that he could die any minute. It's not an insult; it's reality. Just because you guys want to plunge your heads into the earth and pretend its not an issue to image-conscious young Americans doesn't mean it is so.

McCain. Is. Old. Very old. And everyone is talking about Palin in terms of her being a heartbeat away from the presidency. Sorry, but there is NO way that can be seen as a good thing. People want their president to be healthy, charismatic and passionate.

McCain is truly none of those things. And he really needs to stop adding "My Friends" to every goddamn line he delivers. He sounds ridiculous.

30

Obama can't keep his cool under pressure.  McCain can get him flustered and pissed off and he'll say something he really means, but was trying hard to never say out loud.  McCain on the other hand has nerves of steel.

Isn't it funny how often the CW we are spoon fed by the media for years on end turns out to be exactly the opposite of what is the truth?  It is almost like they are engaged in psychological warfare with America, isn't it?

31

Anyone know the margin of error for the CBS poll?

I also looked at the WSJ/NBC poll that allah linked showing O up by 6.  that has a margin of error of 3.8 (? crap, think it was .8 might have been .6) so that means the overall result is still withing statistical error.

Hmmm, maybe things are tightening.  Well, that bodes well for the Tues debate; at least McCain appears to have a chance to keep the direction going in the right place.

And actually, I think some of the hints of nervousness I noted this weekend among ozombies might have been due to their uncomfortable reactions to those various creepy children singing/chanting  Youtubes going around. 

Anyway, I also saw that Insty linked to the CBS "more fake donors for Obama" story.

32 "h2u: you do realise, right, that "E. Winner" is an Ace-regular under a satirical sockpuppet."

I didn't realize that, actually, but it doesn't mean I don't agree.

33 Only polls I give a shit about are the internals. All else are trick-fucked BS. 

34 Palin is definitely recapturing a little bit of her mojo with women and independents.  I have several women friends who have clearly stated they were impressed by her in the debate and you can tell that they are privately cheering her on...

35

People want their president to be healthy, charismatic and passionate.

McCain is truly none of those things.

I don't know about that, but I can see the point.

Now you could have said that instead of pulling up a load of shit about skin cancer, and how he's gonna die tomorrow.

 

36 Ace, make sure to put this on the awesome blog.

37 Just getting the truth out about the economic buttfucking by the Dem party will help in '10, even if it doesn't help now since the bailout sure isn't a magic pill.

38 "People want their president to be healthy, charismatic and passionate."

I want my President to be a bad motherfucker who will make our enemies (foreign and domestic) cower and piss themselves in abject terror even before getting his hands on them and making them wish for the sweet welcome release of death.  Anything else is secondary.

39 @ 26 David R. :  Awwww, did you have to tell it?  h2u had some potential as an mindless astroturfer.

40

The demographics at work says: cool.

Got a progressive today saying Obama's not fit for non progressive reasons. eyks...

41 "Now you could have said that instead of pulling up a load of shit about skin cancer, and how he's gonna die tomorrow."

Wickedpinto, a "load of shit" implies the absence of truth. Look at a picture of McCain and tell me -- honestly -- that he looks healthy. I think the man is a great American and a true patriot, but a good GOP presidential candidate he is not.

Just contrast him with GWB in 2000. Bush was much younger, in terrific shape, and passionate about his beliefs. McCain looks like a geriatric by comparison.

42 The progressives reason was the sub prime problem.

43 "Awwww, did you have to tell it? h2u had some potential as an mindless astroturfer."

Astroturfer? I'm a proud attendee of Ace-o-palooza West and numerous folks can attest to my conservative credentials. I don't get to read as many threads as I would like these days as I have many more responsibility at my office.

But believe what you want. I'm just telling it like it is: McCain is a horrible fucking GOP candidate. And he's the reason I'm now an independent.

44 McCain can't out -argue Obama at this date. He needs to out -psyche Obama. He needs to trick Obama into self-destructing. McCain needs to feed into Obama's delusions, his grandiosity, his belief that he can save the world, and let Obama show the world how out of touch with reality he is.

See American Thinker on Obama's  Narcisstic Personality Disorder (http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/obama_oprah_and_the_guru_malig_1.html) and use it to help the O send himself spinning off into space. Remember the OODA loop? Use it.

This is not the time to challenge him with facts. It's the time to belittle him so he will lose it.

Also, it's not bad for McCain to go into election day behind in the polls, Most of Obama's new registrations are not serious voters, If they think he's won it, they won't get out of bed to vote. Hope for rain.

45

Fine, you think it's a big deal, fine.

46 heh.  I am thinking that h2u doesn't know who winner refers to...

47

The Mav and Cuda need to lay down the law with Obama.  "Let's clear the air on something, Senator.  I am not and have never been a racist of any kind, nor do I allow them in my campaign, or I might add, associate with them in my church.  Any time you or your supporters use that argument against me, you are lying.  And I am going to make sure every voter knows that you are lying.  Do you understand me, Senator?"

48 "I am thinking that h2u doesn't know who winner refers to..."

Pardon my ignorance for missing an inside joke on a moronblog. Goobers.

49

I've seen h2u's comments on Gabriel's blog; he's on the level. I happen to think he's wrong, but he's sincere in his wrongness.

Let's save the vitriol for actual trolls...

50 Look, we're done.

It's all Demographics, and McCain's refusal to fight until the very last second. Even now, he won't use Wright. We should have God Damn America(tm) running 24/7 on TV everywhere.

Single women outnumber married women. And single women (and even married women) LOVE Obama.

Obama is the young, strong, Alpha Male. He's the one celebs worship as a god (confirming he's Alpha). All the fashionable people back him. His program: Blacks, Latinos, White Women against White Men, works for White women. Again, most of whom are not married.

This could have been won, but McCain needed to fight a month ago.

51 Pollsters don't take polls and release them to the public as an academic exercise. They work for clients. Who? Generally the MSM. That client must be pleased by the pollster's work product if the pollster is to continue being employed.

Question: Which is more likely to be viewed by the client as a good poll result?

A) An accurate poll.
B) A poll that advances the client's interests.

52 @49 Oh, all right. 

53 h2u, "E. Winner" is an Axelrod astroturf joke post.

54 I didn't see any vitriol.  Some sarcasm (not from me) but no vitriol.

55
Jeez, McCain is, what, 71? That's not old, not anymore. I'm only 14 years shy of that and I can still kick ass. Maybe your ass.

56 ... says the dumbass posting on a thread he had open for 30 minutes without refreshing.

57 I said we're doomed!!

58

Allah is the MSM's bitch.  I can hardly read his stuff anymore.  I wish Ed at hotair would take over the Palin watch. Allah makes the grim reaper look happy.  Must be all the drugs in the water up in New York. 

The polls are weird this year.  Not sure if people really know how they are voting yet.  Obama has not closed the deal yet.   A lot of lies and half truths flying around.  Obama's camp objective is classic communist ploys that seek to muddy the waters of truth.  Allah has been turned  much like Peggy.  a liberal in conservative clothing.  IMO he has a man crush on Obama and is just afraid to say it out loud.

59

dj drummond says much the same lmg.

Dj's not possitive, but he's not negative.

60 In Presidential elections I don't think there's any such thing as "too little, too late". Some of you are falling into the same inside-out view that tricks companies into giving up on popular products and ad campaigns just as the public starts to notice them. We've been immersed in this stuff since the primaries, but most people out there are only now starting to pay attention to the race. They're hearing about Ayers for the first time and, at best, have a vague memory of the dear Rev. Wright. If McCain had started on Ayers and Wright months ago, the Obama campaign and their cooperative media friends would have easily buried the message long before most people were paying attention. (Just like they did when bloggers raised them back then, remember?)

Honestly, when I see those latest videos from McCain, as fired up as he ever gets, I don't see a man who's had his arm twisted into talking about these issues. I do think he was reluctant to go into Fannie and Freddie during the bailout deal because it may have backfired (country first). The delay in getting the deal done made his window narrower than he expected, but Palin's popularity and skill may make up for that. Now he's gambling that he and Palin have time to get in hard punches before Obama can respond effectively. And I think it has a good chance of working. It could go either way.

61

Did I read a recommendation, or a quote with McCain explicitly referencing the big lie?

I think he subtly jabbed the commy fascist thing onto Obama about lying about McCain's positions on Fannie and Freddie.

62
I mean, really. You kids. You dumb kids. You don't know old. You have no idea.

But fair is fair. By the same token I don't think any of you are ready for much because you're too young. And under-educated. Lacking in wisdom and life experience. Products of the American education system, with your prolonged childhoods. If I had my way, you wouldn't get to vote until you reach 40. Bring back the Spartan ephors system.

63 Every Democrat Congressional District in this country should be plastered with signs that read:

2006: $2.19/gallon
2008: $4.39/gallon
Thanks Rep. Gleason!

2006: 13,000 and climbing
2008: Market below 10,000 and falling fast
Our 401k's thank you, Rep. Gleason!

Obviously, Rep. Gleason is the name of the local Dem rep.

And every third sign should read:

Rep. Gleason? Throw the bum out.
Vote Vince Pantier on Nov. 4!

Once again, substitute your local Rep challenger for "Vince Pantier".

64 So, h2u, what is your suggestion?  Should people acquiesce to Obama's "ascension" just because McCain is not the conservative we wanted?  I think you may be suffering more from a case of self-pity than from realistic pessimism.

I have seen way too many elections (and the polls leading up to them) to recognize anything more than the same old pattern--only this time on msm steroids.  If Governor Palin and Senator McCain keep pushing forward the facts about Senator Obama forward until the end, they will win.

65 Maybe I'm a moron (of the bad kind), but I believe a large number of people will wake up after the World Series and say, "Hey! Isn't there an election this year? I wonder who's running?" There is enough fluctuation in these polls that I'm convinced a lot of people remain undecided - enough to sway the election either way when they are forced to make a final decision.

66

Anyone else notice how Barney Frank's mouth looks like a well-dialated vagina? Why is that?

 

67 I gotta go with h2u on this.  I guess I'm on the wrong side (or site).  I've never wanted McCain.  Until he chose Sarah, that is.  It was the first time I thought he really was serious about winning.  Frankly, I wish McCain a long and successful 8 years, but (goodbye, ye sweet ladies of Spain...it's been fun) if he kicks off before then and leaves Sarah in charge, then as far as I'm concerned, he's done all I would hope for.

68

Just because you guys want to plunge your heads into the earth and pretend its not an issue to image-conscious young Americans doesn't mean it is so.

It is an issue, and it's why the country is likely doomed unless the voting age is raised to about 25 (for non-military citizens) where it belongs.  But Democrats are all about devolving the republic into a democracy (and then, of course, a totalitarian state), and that means forever expanding the vote to the least productive, least informed, least affected, and most easily conned demographics.

And they've convinced everyone that it's a "tragedy" that not even more people vote.  Expect to see an Obama administration pull out all the stops to make sure that voting is as easy as blowing your nose.  Restoration of felon voting rights.  Mobile voting centers cruising college campuses and union shops.  Online same-day registration and voiting.  Text your Presidential choice to 55555.

It's already started in Ohio with the "vote a month early" bullshit.  The easier voting gets, the dumber the average voter is going to be.  To the left, that's a feature, not a bug.

69 McCain was the chosen candidate of Very Few people here, it's not a sycophantic site.

70 Ace, you're reading Allah's spin of the Cost piece into Cost's piece itself.

All he actually says is that the Wright stuff will work.  True.  But that doesn't mean FMFM isn't essential.

71 Whiskey is a whiny bitch.

72 Somebody please 'splain at me this (use email so I don't miss it--myname and the network of cox assembled):

Howcomizzit all of a sudden CBS is finding bad Obambi donors, reporting more favorable-to=McCain polls, and I don't know what else?

What is going on here?

73 "So, h2u, what is your suggestion? "

I wish I had one. Back during the primaries it was "Vote for Fred!" who may have been old but at least had chutzpah and a deep, rumbling voice. Now? I suggest stocking up on guns, dehydrated milk, canned foods and water.

"It was the first time I thought he really was serious about winning."

I think Palin was a better pick than Joe L., who I thought he was going to choose up until the moment she was announced. But she's a risky pick and I'm not sure it's worked out the way he wanted. She would have been a terrific pick for Teh Fred! or even Romney, but McCain? She almost makes him look ANCIENT by contrast.

74 He also was cancer afflicted h2u.  A cancer that was more likely to be deadly than a fucking melanoma.

75 Yes, yes, we're doomed and all.  We have a horrible candidate, like that's a news flash?!?!  Like that wasn't a given when he won the nomination and everyone over the age of 35 said can you say Bob Dole?  And he's been Bob Dole the entire campaign.  Remember waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting for Bob to take off the gloves?  Or to at least stop referring to himself in the first person?  Everyone bowed out until Palin put a little juice in the deal, but let's get serious here.

 I'm beginning to worry that "Gran" is my mother.  Posting on ASHQ.  It is beyond incomprehensible, but the optimism is truly disturbing.  Please tell me you live in Nebraska, Gran.  I'm serious!

76 Man up you guys. Think of what has happened in the last thirty days. More can happen in the next. Obama isn't an alpha male. He's a wimpy, metro-no sexual used man who happens to have a grandiose gift that has intoxicated the Bush haters in the national media.

The polls lie like the media lies.

Obama still has thirty days to self-destruct. I think he has to do that.

Keep the faith.

77 I just have to quote sherlock here:

"Let's clear the air on something, Senator.  I am not and have never been a racist of any kind, nor do I allow them in my campaign, or I might add, associate with them in my church.  Any time you or your supporters use that argument against me, you are lying.  And I am going to make sure every voter knows that you are lying.  Do you understand me, Senator?"

Fucking Awesome

78 "He also was cancer afflicted h2u. A cancer that was more likely to be deadly than a fucking melanoma."

Absolutely. But he didn't LOOK ill. McCain does. And that's going to hurt him badly among younger voters. Teh Fred! has also appeared major motion pictures and highly viewed television shows. That exposure would have been amazingly helpful for a GOP candidate, many of whom rarely get a fair shake in the public eye.

McCain was not the right candidate for the GOP to run against Obama. That's my opinion and I'm stickin' to it.

79 On a brighter note, although not the least bit awesome, is it even remotely possible that if McCain does actually pound these important points over the next two debates and last 4 weeks (iffy at the most optimistic awesomeness) that the main stream media just may have screwed The One by withholding all of this information until the public becomes aware of it in the closing moments of the campaign and slices like a hammer toward Obama?

Like the last minute Bush DWI charges?  It's a pretty small hope but it would be SO deserving, would it not?

Seriously, Gran, New Jersey?  Iowa? 

80 The polls are rubbish. DJ Drummond did a regression of a gallup poll that showed that their numbers were statistically impossible.  McPal will win.

81 test test test.

82 #79

Sorry Lana... right state (NJ), wrong gender.

83

FUCK ME!

Whenever I include a link I get bucketed.

84 The Bush DUI impacted the election and it came out what, Friday before Election Day?

85 2 perfectly good comments!

86 2 perfectly good comments!

right mouse + copy, its the only way to be sure,

87 wickedpinto, I'd use tinyurl if I were you. It always works for me. It ain't elegant, but the posts always appear.

88 Thanks Gran!  Now I can sleep at night.  Well, at least until they foreclose on my house and I'm forced to live in the streets.  My car's paid off.  I can live in that, circling the blog for an open wifi connection.  Again, my sincere thanks!

89 The public is incensed that they have to pick up the tab for these deadbeat mortgagors, and we have every fucking Democrat on videotape saying we need to subsidize them more.

Yeah yeah yeah. You know what the voters are going to hear? It's not "the Democrats were responsible for this mess." It's "McCain voted for the bailout, and we hate the bailout."

There is NO political upside to this issue for McCain. The only political upside comes from opposing the bailout. But McCain couldn't do that because if he did the stock market would go down a couple thous--

um, yeah.

90

I know.  Too late now.

They were just sci-fi references packed into bad commentary.

91 Never had a problem with the href's or the linky gadget before, no biggy, just frustrating.

92 Wilhelm,

That was simple to explain.  Perhaps Bob Dole has jumped the gun by 2 weeks?   Oh wait, Bob Dole never fired the gun.  I can't remember if he said it or I did.

Hey.  I'm just tryin' to spin straw into gold here.  Pay no attention to the princess in the corner.

93

anyone hear any more of the whitey tape from MO?   I think it was real and just not used by Clinton.  If she really wants Obama to lose that tape may find its way into McCain's hands

 

94 "Wickedpinto, it's fucking evident every time you look at him that he could die any minute. It's not an insult; it's reality."



Seems you drank the MSM Kool Aide.  You bring up age, then extol Fred a short while thereafter?

Reality is that McCain has only slightly worse chances of not surviving the presidency than Obama.  And Obama's never released his medical records, he recently stopped smoking, and did hard drugs in his formative years.

This is a non argument.


" Just because you guys want to plunge your heads into the earth and pretend its not an issue to image-conscious young Americans doesn't mean it is so. "

The jury's still out on whether image-conscious young Americans actually care about voting.

With few exceptions, the young Americans who know, who vote, aren't buying what O is selling.


"People want their president to be healthy, charismatic and passionate. "

Sounds more like what people expect out of their dictators.  I realize that Johnnymac isn't perfect.  He sure beats the nuts off of O, and if you think he can't compete, and, dare I say it, win the election, you're deluding yourself.

95 "With few exceptions, the young Americans who know, who vote, aren't buying what O is selling."

correction -- the young Americans who I know...

96 h2u: "You go to war with the army you have, not the army you'd like to have."

McCain wasn't my choice, either, and I wish Sarah had 4 more years as governor under her belt. But here we are. The alternative is Obama, a Manchurian Candidate and crypto-fascist who will bring into power people you do not want in control of our country.

And so we fight.

97 People are incensed by the bailout. I was in a completely blue collar area that attracts lots of average joes over the weekend. And they were all talking about things they don't understand while maintaining complete anger about Congress' action.

Meanwhile, they don't understand the precarious nature of global finance. And they're largely uninformed.

But they vote.

98 In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. From time to time we've been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people.

"Well, if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else? All of us together, in and out of government, must bear the burden. The solutions we seek must be equitable, with no one group singled out to pay a higher price.”

99

People are split on the bailout.  the sky is falling shit, after one day is crap.

I don't know where I land, cuz I don't get this shit nearly enough to honestly have an opinion, so clearly I don't know enough about it to have a vote.

100 "You bring up age, then extol Fred a short while thereafter?"

Fred! may be old, but he has chutzpah. He resonates power. He doesn't hold back or pull punches. McCain? Well, just ask yourself why it's taken him this long to hit back on the Ayers issue.

"This is a non argument."

Just because you make the claim does not make it so. I'm almost twenty six years old and I live in Los Angeles. I know what my peers and contemporaries think and I understand why they think it.

"With few exceptions, the young Americans who know, who vote, aren't buying what O is selling."

You're delusional. Obama is THE pick of young Americans. It's not an opinion, it's an absolute fact.

"The alternative is Obama, a Manchurian Candidate and crypto-fascist who will bring into power people you do not want in control of our country."

Hyperbole never helps...

101

As for wishing sarah had 4 more years as Governor, AMEN.

But I would rather use Sarah early, than Jindal.

Jindal is the face of the party this generation, and I hope he stays active, and can come to the aid of other young reagen era republicans.

102
Don't forget the convention-finale-balloon-drop jinx.

That works in our favor.

103 It's too soon to start giving up.

104 "Obama is THE pick of young Americans. It's not an opinion, it's an absolute fact."

You are most probably correct.  Even in the fine red state of Texas this has been my experience.  Not being young, of course, but being around the young because they just refuse to just STOP dropping over at the house to tell me about how great the big O is (among other things!).  Do they vote?  We'll see.  Will they eventually vote?  You betchta!

We're doomed.  The youth are uneducated and believe silly crap because critical thinking skills have never been a part of their school experience.  It's bread and circuses for as far as they eye can see...well, until we see the barbarians.

105 WGN Chicago mentions keating, doesn't mention ayers.

106 h2u,
You're welcome.
Sarah is an absolutely brilliant pick.  She shines independently of John or Fred.  Risky?  She knocked everyone on their asses!   She had the left media in tears!  It was brilliant!  OBizzle passes on the smartest woman on earth (wisely) and chooses who?  Old white Massa.  Sarah doesn't need John OR Fred.  At least not after a few months.

107 "It's too soon to start giving up."

On the contrary, it's way late to start actually fighting and the burning hope that McCain has something left in the tank to deliver (bwahahahaha...I laugh because I'm drunk.  Also..see Bob Dole)  is just awesome!!!

I really hope he does.  I seriously doubt it.  Have you actually seen that side of John McCain, I mean, when he isn't going after his fellow Republicans on immigration?

108

Here's why Cost is wrong: The public is incensed that they have to pick up the tab for these deadbeat mortgagors, and we have every fucking Democrat on videotape saying we need to subsidize them more.

It's funny cuz a collegue and I were wondering this morning: Who the fuck writes a mortgage to an 80 y/o woman in Akron, OH? Who the fuck re-fi's it? When exactly is she going to pay back the note? So if you attempt suicide you get out of your mortgage? Or is this only in Dennis Kucinich's state?

109

“We want to look at the exit polls,” Jackson said, referring to at least two non-partisan Election Day polls, by Zogby and CNN, which gave Kerry 53 percent and 51 percent of the vote, respectively. “We don’t want to be presumptuous, but these numbers in the Butler, Clarmont, Warren and Hamilton counties are suspicious.”

My wife and I worked the Bush campaign hard in Warren County during both his elections. We had the grassroots system down to where it was the envy of all, keeping tabs on all registered voters as to whether they had yet voted. Those who hadn't were picked up and taken to the voting polls. My son stood in line for 3 hours to vote during a heavy rain (all the while the Dems were screaming they alone were being targeted with too few voting booths). The election came down to the 13th hour as the country looked closely at the Warren County returns. Our own Billy Cunningham was on the phone with the RNC all night telling them "not to worry". Warren County brought in the election for Bush.

The two Bush elections drained both my wife and me to the point we became "non-political". Add to this the internal problems with our party inside Ohio, I don't as yet see this "grass roots" movement in my area. However, Palin has brought us back to the fold. I don't know what this says, but I am concerned with the intensity of voter fraud inside Ohio.

I am 63 years old and have never seen the extreme swings in the polls during such short periods of time. What this tells ME is that the typical average American voter is looking for a reason NOT to vote for Obama. IMO, McCain needs to go back in time to bring back whatever it was that got him thru his ordeal during captivity. Whatever it takes should be done. Let's be realistic, Americans just luv trash talk, so let's give it to them.

110

*this* is exactly why I had trouble getting on board with McCain in the first place.

The reason he won't call out the dems on the sub-prime "crisis" is because he is one of them.  Sure, he tried to do something about it at a time when *something* would have mattered.  But in the end, when faced with a party line vote in committee he shrugged his shoulders and said, "Oh well, if we can't do it 'bipartisan', it just can't be done." He did nothing beyond that to force the issue. He couldn't. He'd blown his political capital with his own party so many times prior to that, he had no chance at getting the level of support he needed no matter how right he was.  Fuck him.

 

Oh, and the bailout?  It doesn't help any of the 'dead beats' that couldn't pay their mortages.  They forclosed, they lost their homes, and probably everything else.   All it does is allow the banks to hold on to vacant property longer in an effort to start bidding wars on 'short sale' homes, keeping housing prices closer to their inflated 'bubble' prices. Meanwhile, people who had converted their entire life savings into "secure" mortage-backed bonds in order to generate enough income to pay for their own nursing home expenses are getting kicked out onto the street.  *They* arent getting a "bail out" either. 

111

I might add...

Ohio is very conservative, on whole, and we try to maintain our personal lives as private as possible. My 83 year old mother, when telephone polled by Obama's group, told them "it was none of their damn business" who she was voting for.

For years I watched my mother and father rely on the local and network news for all their contact with the outside world. Believing the republicans were going to take their Social Security, Healthcare and savings from them. My mother is frightened by Obama, and I don't believe she is an outlier!

112 Fretless,

Aside from the financial issues, what exactly stopped you from getting on the McCain train early on?  And also, if not McCain, who was your pick in the primaries?

113 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDofbll86dY

114 Ohio. Is. Awesome!

115 rockwood...I think you underestimate your mother.  If she's worried about the big O she's not been only focused on network news.  To steal a line from O'Rourke, "Age and experience over youth and enthusiasm."  Would that there are thousands like her...who vote. 

116 Bah, polls schmolls, the whole process is a mess and this year I'm hoping the incredibly uneven and wild nature of them finally pushes people away from worshiping at the feet of pollsters.

117 And also what Awesome Happy Fun Gay said!

118

I want a depressing poll, by more than 5 points day before the election, I want the MSM, though I prefer "DOMINANT Media" , to just be sucked in, and I want us to win by like 4 points on the "popular."

Destroy Polls, and the Media who thinks they are like the quadroblade, facing the KRULL that is the Republican party.

119 I know I've been sounding like a broken record here lately, but what the hell:

Obama has such huge advantages in this race (the MSM in his pocket, and having the financial crisis fall into his lap which is usually the kiss of death for the incumbent party) that his victory appears all but inevitable.

The flip side of this is that if Obama somehow manages not to win the presidency in spite of said huge advantages, it will be an everlasting embarassment both to Obama himself and to the Democratic Party as a whole. I might add that it would also probably cause that party to begin tearing itself apart in spectacular fashion. I'm guessing it will splinter into at least three factions:

1) Dems still loyal to Obama
2) Dems who voted for Obama but have kicked him to the curb (as, historically, is the Dems' wont with general-election losers) and have begun their search for their next Messiah
3) The pro-Hillary/PUMA crowd

Now I don't know about any of you, but I find this possibility too deliciously juicy to ignore, no matter what the odds against it. Oh, and there's also the small matter of McCain actually being the overall superior candidate for President. So, come Election Day I still fully intend to cast my vote for McCain and Palin. Once that is done, all that's left is to fasten my seat belt and (hopefully) enjoy the ride.

120

When it comes to Poll's?  Dem's ALWAYS HAVE A HUGE LEAD!!

ALWAYS!

Ignore the Open polls, listen to the internals.

121 Last night, CBS was pimping this poll kinda-sorta.  They glossed over the part where McCain is catching up.  They did hit hard on the part of the poll that said that Biden is the Smartest-fucking-dude EVER and the part that said that Biden bitch-slapped Palin in their debate and forced her to make him a sammich.  I'm still not sure what the responders to this poll watched 'cause it sure wasn't the debate I saw.

122

h2u is 25 and lives in California? If there was one demographic that I had to choose last to listen to it would be 25 and living in California. 

123 Maybe an outlier, maybe not. Remember, Gallup and Rasmussen are both 3-day moving averages, not daily polls. So there is going to be anywhere from a 3-6 day lag (depending on how much the numbers move) between them and any daily poll.

I prefer to be optimistic. It keeps me from slitting my wrists.

124 Ace,

They do it with Party affiliation. Obama is not up anything if the proper weightings are used.

Operation Chaos screwed the numbers this year. (aside from the usual thumb on the scale).

125 "You don't know old. You have no idea."

Another geezer. Thank God.

Here's a reality check, kids. McCain is one year older than Ronald Reagan was in 1980. Stick that in your iPhone, or whateverthehell stupid crap you play with.

"If I had my way, you wouldn't get to vote until you reach 40."

Amen, brother. Amen.

"Should people acquiesce to Obama's "ascension" just because McCain is not the conservative we wanted?"

Not to jump on you, but who's "we" here? I hate to break it to you kids, but McCain is running because voters elected him in the primaries. Now, he may not be the man you voted for, but you were outvoted, so suck it up, and either play on the team, or get the hell off the field. It's spoiled brats like you, whining about McCain, that's 50% of the reason we're about to lose to that Chicago hack.

Wake up. Put on your big boy pants and act like an adult for the first time in your life. Either get your lazy whiny ass to work for the campaign, or shut up and get out of the way so we can.

126 My head is hung in shame, and my mouth is shut.  Although (or especially because) I am probably older than rightwingprof, I am suitably chastened.  You are right.  (My main point of getting Sarah in still remains, however.)
You sure you're not really Santa Claus, tho?  I didn't think right wing professors actually existed.

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