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| Obama Spokeswoman: "John McCain himself calls himself a fundamental deregulator... What do you think he's deregulating? The rules that could have averted this crisis. There's a reason John McCain doesn't want to discuss the economy."Stephanie Cutter on FoxNews now. Now that the Obama camp knows that they not only won't have to worry about an attack from McCain, but also won't even have to worry about a defense, they're just running with it. Before they might have been defensive and hesitant about this line of attack, given Obama's responsibility for the bailout. No longer. Character, integrity, patriotism. Incompetence.John McCain is determined to run on the second and third most important issues in the country right now, while conceding the very most important issue completely to Obama. In other words, McCain's letting Obama score touchdowns every drive while hoping he himself can get a field goal every once in a while. How this math could possibly work -- especially given that Obama is already up by 7-10 points -- is utterly beyond me. Incidentally, McCain does have some negatives on this issue -- several of his advisers, etc., lobbied on behalf of Freddie and Fannie. Rick Davis most prominently among them. Here's the difference: McCain pays those guys. Jim Johnson and all the Fannie and Freddie execs paid Obama, through huge campaign donations. Now: Who is beholden to these guys? McCain who's paying them for their services, or Obama who was paid lots of money by these guys for his services? This is why, I'm pretty sure, McCain doesn't want to get into this. While conceding the argument is harder to make than I have suggested, it is not impossibly difficult. And further, difficult or not, it's absolutely necessary. If McCain loses on this issue -- as he has been for three weeks -- the election is over, anyway. Actually... I was too glib there. I'm sure someone associated at one time with Fannie and Freddie raised money for McCain at some point. McCain worries that he'll just be muddied further if he does this. But he can't be muddied further. He's covered in mud. And Obama is spotless. Whether this is an easy case to make or not does not change the fact McCain will lose unless he changes the momentum on this issue -- and, alas, he's let it go so long I don't even know if the Mighty Media Narrative can be altered anymore. I also am guessing that McCain doesn't want to get into the white/black thing regarding the CRA. He doesn't want to be painted as Wille Hortonizing Racial Demogogue. Well, you don't have to Willie Horton it. You just have to note that Obama sought freer loans for credit-poor buyers of all races (and certainly more credit-poor whites took advantage of this, simply because there are so many more whites than blacks). And if you want t o avoid CRA altogether --fine, focus on Fannie and Freddie. Once again we see Obama's -- and the media's -- use of the race card. Now McCain can't even mention that Obama engineered this crisis for fear of being called a race-hater. McCain has to nut up and realize he's being called a racist for whatever he says anyway. Mention Bill Ayers? Racist. Comments1
I keep hoping this is some kind of feint.
Posted by: tachyonshuggy at October 06, 2008 12:41 PM (TXp3z) 2
"I'm Bob Dole, and I approve of this strategy"
Posted by: Bob Dole at October 06, 2008 12:44 PM (0iFrh) 3
This is either the end of his campaign or the greatest rope-a-dope ever.
Unfortunately, I am leaning to the previous, but we have until Tuesday night to see. Posted by: JAFKIAC at October 06, 2008 12:46 PM (LcpIn) 4
Strait up Ace.
The last 30 days of this campaign are going to be as painful as the next four years it seems. Posted by: kad77 at October 06, 2008 12:47 PM (ChYwK) 5
It's not a feint. It's their strategy.
Posted by: ace at October 06, 2008 12:48 PM (1WR4H) 6
Deregulating what?
Did McCain in fact ask for more deregulation of Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac? Did McCain ask for less over site into Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac? That's the fucking topic of deregulation that we're talking about. Posted by: Dang at October 06, 2008 12:49 PM (XFyLb) 7
There are still plenty of regulations on banking, lending and trading. But if a bunch of Democrats on powerful committees in congress are getting paid to look the other way, it might look like there aren't any regualtions at all. This isn't about regulations. This is about corruption. Posted by: Lemmiwinks at October 06, 2008 12:50 PM (5GNS+) 8
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It's not a feint. It's their strategy.
I am not speculating. Damnit ACE, let me have some false hope here. Oh well, thanks for passing along the news. Posted by: JAFKIAC at October 06, 2008 12:50 PM (LcpIn) 9
He really has no choice on this. He will burn down Franks and Dodd or he will destroy the Republican brand...then Franks and Dodd will be burned down. Either way Franks and Dodd are going down. It's just whether McCain wants to tank with them...
Posted by: The Obvious at October 06, 2008 12:50 PM (1g+FW) Posted by: Farmer Joe at October 06, 2008 12:51 PM (n29BA) 11
One of the problems in being a "Maverick" is many times you're either too independent or too stupid to see the obvious. In McCain's case I'd lean to the second theory. The best hope now is Obama so fucks up the country we get a GOP Congress in 2010 and Miss Sarah as President in 2012. For now - we're screwed. Posted by: Murph at October 06, 2008 12:51 PM (Dw2sU) 12
I hope he does something in the debate but I doubt it.
The Senate isn't the House of Lords for nothing. They don't attack their Peers except in a straight up fight. McCain will hit Obama but he's just a part of the story. To do this effectively McCain would have to go after Dodd hard and he isn't going to do it. Dodd doesn't just have ethical problems here. He could potentially face criminal charges over his sweetheart loan deal. This is one of the reason's Senators rarely get elected President. It's hard to get elected President when you won't attack the leaders of the opposition party and they are always mostly Senators. Posted by: Rocks at October 06, 2008 12:51 PM (Q1lie) Posted by: thebronze at October 06, 2008 12:52 PM (YlH3h) 14
Ace, if true about McCain, this election sucks. McCain needs to listen to Palin and take the gloves and start hammering Obama and the Democrats ON THE ECONOMY. Jeez, even SNL had this mostly right with their little skit on Saturday night!
Posted by: CDR M at October 06, 2008 12:52 PM (WGcw3) 15
John, you should ponder Bill Clinton's unofficial slogan in 1992. Pay particular attention to that last word.
Posted by: Cerebral Paul Z. at October 06, 2008 12:53 PM (V2sai) 16
I've heard McCain is preparing to deliver his concession speech.
On October 31. For those who think us doomsayers are just addicted to Depends, consider this. When Obastard takes power, some say that we will finally have "racial reconciiation" in America. Pure garbage. By what thought process will Obastard's people arrive at that state? It will be the precise opposite. What are they going to say to themselves? "Well, we laid a phony guilt trip on the nation, and it delivered us the White House! I guess we won't try that again!" The same goes for the partisanship of the MSM. What will they think once they have pushed Obastard over the top? "Gosh, we ignored all his misdeeds and fabricated all his merits under cover of Objective Journalism... and we got everything we wanted! I suppose we should just go back and play everything even-handedly now." If anyone thinks they have seen the zenith of MSM advocacy for left-wing principles, just wait until January. You have eight to ten years of "journalism" that will make today seem like a Socratic dialogue among disinterested greybeards. We're going down; the only question is the exact location and nature of the drain. Posted by: George Orwell at October 06, 2008 12:54 PM (AZGON) 17
You know last time it was over? Two weeks ago when the Obama supporters were mourning and predicting voting machines would be manipulated and screaming about how they can't believe they're losing. Two weeks ago.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 06, 2008 12:54 PM (0+Ggj) 18
Dole v2.0 Yeay! for the good old days
Posted by: billypaintbrush at October 06, 2008 12:54 PM (5RjUC) 19
McCain is thus giving up.
The Dem and Obama ties to this scandal are so clear and abundant - and the media's unwillingness to cover them the same - McCain's refusal to turn it into a campaign issue on a major scale while being behind - is surrender. Pure and simple. Posted by: usinkorea at October 06, 2008 12:55 PM (HDqbl) Posted by: Barack H. Obama at October 06, 2008 12:56 PM (LcpIn) 21
The point is if the McCain camp truly thinks that protecting Dodd and Franks is going to make the economy stronger, the government better or bring them victory they are every bit as delusional as Obama and the MSM have been about terrorism and the lightworker thing... and may be almost as dangerous... but in a different way. He is choosing government club over telling the trut. The same way a number of Republican journalists have chosen news-club over telling the truth. And the only thing worse than government club and news club are government club and news club combined.
Posted by: The Obvious at October 06, 2008 12:56 PM (1g+FW) 22
And the dipshits in the MSM just lap up this propaganda because they do not understand how financial markets or regulations work. If we can't get any reporters to question the spin from Obama, I don't see what McCain can "do" to win this argument. If just one of them would ask the Obamabots exactly which deregulation they are talking about, we might get somewhere. But they won't. Maybe McCain can make a dent here in the debate if he gets the right question. Hopefully some smart voter in the audience will ask Obama, "what deregulation are you talking about that caused this financial crisis? What should have been done differently that would have averted it?" If he comes back with Gramm-Leach-Bliley, McCain can remind people that Bill Clinton signed that legislation and Joe Biden and a while bunch of other Democrats voted for it, and if it had not been passed Merrill Lynch would have gone bankrupt because Bank of America would not have been able to buy it.
Posted by: rockmom at October 06, 2008 12:56 PM (iZqUY) 23
Suicide is a fucking strategy?
Posted by: the real joe at October 06, 2008 12:56 PM (NJ/RA) 24
The MSM will never go back to being fair and balanced. If Obama wins, this will only embolden them to continue as they have. If you think for one moment that those responsible will be held accountable for this economic crash, you are dreaming. The GOP will be held responsible and there will be no GOP revival in 2010. Maybe something in 2012 but it will be a long time before DEMS ever face anything on this.
Posted by: CDR M at October 06, 2008 12:57 PM (cqZXM) 25
Yep, getting hugely exasperated at John McCain's ("life isn't fair") lack of punchback on all this stuff.
Hugely Posted by: tanstaafl at October 06, 2008 12:59 PM (M/8zd) 26
I want every one to understand. The issue here is much larger than McCain simply losing the election. The McCain campaign, if it carries through wth this, is choosing to close ranks with the corruptocrats who have swindled us and ruined the economy and protect them. That is an astounding act of corruption in and of itself and should disualify McCain from holding the oval office or any other office...no matter who he is running against or what party he represents.
Posted by: The Obvious at October 06, 2008 01:01 PM (1g+FW) 27
If McCain decides to let this go I'm definitely willing to accept the possibility McCain is in the tank for O and is doing his best to take Palin down with him.
Posted by: Editor at October 06, 2008 01:01 PM (GTpOW) 28
Food for thought. Is it possible that McCain is actually "saving the brand" by letting the democrats be the party "in power" during the upcoming four years of the great depression part deux?
Posted by: Elizabeth R at October 06, 2008 01:02 PM (MU4Y3) 29
It is an issue of corruption. He cannot choose to remain silent about corruption and pretend he is a white knight.
Posted by: The Obvious at October 06, 2008 01:02 PM (1g+FW) 30
"Two-thousand and twelve"
Just say it to yourselves "Two-thousand and twelve" By then we will be rid of the rest of the DC GOP (McConnell, Warner, McCain) and we can begin to rebuild the Conservative Movement. Of course we will have to do it from our hiding places as the Obama Youth will be hunting down "wrong -thinking Americans" Until then boys, just cling to your guns and your religion. Posted by: Kasper Hauser at October 06, 2008 01:03 PM (KeOQp) Posted by: The Obvious at October 06, 2008 01:03 PM (1g+FW) 32
If it's a feint, it's monumentally stupid.
There's only a month left. There's no time left for a feint. He has to go straight at Obama on this issue, and he has to do it starting right now. Posted by: DelD at October 06, 2008 01:04 PM (hs9gk) 33
So no mention of Wright and his 20 year membership in a KKK style church? No mention of an economic meltdown?
OK! Sounds like a super strategy to me! A economic crisis so bad that it required 700 billion in bailout money. But not so bad that we needed to buy a few 60 second ads versus 30 second ones to explain WHY we had to spend 700 billion. The only silver lining to this is that Val-U-Rite vodka is going to get their cut of the bailout money too, thereby enabling them to continue to sell those econo-5 gallon plastic jugs. Posted by: Ed at October 06, 2008 01:04 PM (YO0WU) 34
If McCain thinks the issue is too complicated to explain, and I'll agree that it is complicated, it means he thinks we're too stupid to get it.
I thought that was a liberal attitude. Posted by: Hotspur at October 06, 2008 01:04 PM (c158/) 35
The democrat in charge of this mess (Fannie Mae Raines) is Obama's advisor. Sen. Dodd (a Democrat) got sweetheart house loans when he should have been regulating. And the Obamas bought their house from a convicted felon.
This is not hard to understand. How hard is to to say that Barney Frank, a democrat, was fucking a guy he should have been regulating, and now we're all screwed. Say THAT in the debate, or we lose. Posted by: Americano at October 06, 2008 01:06 PM (MHmUX) 36
Food for thought. Is it possible that McCain is actually "saving the brand" by letting the democrats be the party "in power" during the upcoming four years of the great depression part deux?
If this is true, then for all this accomplishments and all the suffering he's endured for the nation in his past, McCain has in effect sold out America. If your party is more important than your country, what do you call yourself? Anyone who wants to subject the nation to another Depression only to save his political party deserves to be the target of the Mother of all Hobo Hunts. This goes for the Chocolate Donut as well. He is definitely banking on economic collapse to elevate his power and the power of the Dummycrats. Posted by: George Orwell at October 06, 2008 01:06 PM (AZGON) 37
BTW I saw a great article last night that said the real culprit in this mess is Fannie and Freddie, but not for the reasons we think. It is not because of the CRA or affordable housing goals. It is because they started marketing their securities aggressively in Europe and China. All the excess savings generated by China's growth in the early part of the decade went into Fan/Fred securities because they were perceived to be as safe as Treasuries but with a higher return. Fan and Fred suddenly had a huge demand for new MBS and they could not keep up without starting to buy stinkier and stinkier mortgages. Their regulator had no power to stop them. Private issuers had to keep up with the competition and it became a race to the bottom in lending standards. The massive amounts of cash looking for mortgages to buy fed the housing boom and the runup in prices. It was an asset bubble and it was going to burst at some point and produce serious pain. The only regulation that would have prevented this was exactly the legislation supported by the Bush Administration in 2003, which would have created a string regulator and required prior approval before Fan and Fred could go into any new line of business, i.e. subprime mortgages. By 2005, when John McCain cosponsored the second reform bill, it may have already been too late because they were already ass-deep into subprime. Posted by: rockmom at October 06, 2008 01:07 PM (iZqUY) 38
The best hope now is Obama so fucks up the country we get a GOP Congress in 2010 and Miss Sarah as President in 2012. That much is guaranteed. What's also quite likely is that there won't be much of anything left to rule over come 2010-12. Posted by: Lex Luthor at October 06, 2008 01:07 PM (PMGbu) 39
there's a difference between taking some FM money and taking FM money AND blocking regulations
Posted by: joeindc44 at October 06, 2008 01:07 PM (QxSug) 40
This is what happens when Republicans try to be cute and nominate a 'moderate' in some bizarre effort to fool the voters into thinking we're not all right-wing christian nutjobs. Dems tried this with Kerry, believing him to be the most 'electable'. Nice to see that worked out. All that bi-partisanship? War-hero? Reaching across the aisle? It means approximately jack-shit to liberals, who will happily tear RINOs to shreds and dance on their corpse. It didn't work for George W. Bush. It didn't work for George H. W. Bush. It didn't work for Bob Dole. It didn't work for Gerald Ford. It certainly didn't work for Richard Nixon. Liberals will attempt destroy anyone with an (R) by their name on the nightly news, guarenteed. Democrats hate Republicans and will stab them in the back at a moment's notice. Moderate Republicans think they can be friends. Conservatives don't have to lie about what they believe. Liberals do. That's what Reagan understood. Until today's Republicans understand that, enjoy the long lines for toilet paper and water, comrades. Posted by: El Kabong at October 06, 2008 01:08 PM (41KxF) 41
Hotspur,
It is not too complicated. He has to know it is not too complicated. In failing to do this he simply chooses Dodd and Franks over the rest of the nation. That's all. His choice. I still think the polls are pig doots at this point, though. The spread will be a lot greater than seven pints in the final say so if McCain chooses te side of the people who bankrupted the country. Posted by: The Obvious at October 06, 2008 01:08 PM (1g+FW) 42
Maybe a 527 will step up. McCain stays above the fray and the message is delivered.
I still think the infanticide issue is the next big thing. People disapprove of dead babies more than they worry about dumbasses screwing up the economy. Posted by: mpur at October 06, 2008 01:08 PM (BotaL) 43
Ace
You should have a You Tube contest for ads on this point. Show them it can be done with crayons and big piece of pixel paper in fairly short order. Posted by: topsecretk9 at October 06, 2008 01:09 PM (It3ZT) 44
The McCain makes it's decisions based on the "What would Bob Dole do?" rule.
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at October 06, 2008 01:09 PM (KeOQp) 45
It's pathetic that McCain isn't fighting back on this issue. Truly pathetic. Every last campaign dollar should be spent on it, and they aren't saying *a word*, outside what Palin said at the debate (which was meek to begin with).
McCain deserves to lose. Mainstream Republicanism is dead. All us activists need to get on board with someone with some fire in him, (a next Ron Paul?). We need to go back to Goldwater/Reagan Republicanism. Small Government, and continuous, unending discussions of limiting the Government's effects on the economy. McCain's, and the modern GOP's inability to make any sort of coherent economic argument is the primary reason for the collapse of Republican Party Identification. There are more independents than Republicans these days (albeit independents who tend to lean right). Pardon my french, but this party if fucked unless McCain gets his act together and starts hitting back on Fannie/Freddie & the subprime debacle. Obama will win, politics in this country will swing way, way farther left then they already have, and we'll never be able to free ourselves from the European-style socialism we'll be living under. I'm despondant about the modern GOP's inability to respond to this. It makes me have no use for the modern GOP. I can't even see my self bothering to vote unless McCain picks up this torch. Even if he loses, blame *must* be placed on the democrats who propped up Fannie/Freddie. The very ideology of capitalism (and worse, global capitalism) hangs in the balance. Posted by: Sherwin Amiran at October 06, 2008 01:10 PM (hE9O4) 46
1) Cement knowledge of the CRA. Prior to the fucking CRA, the norm was for twenty percent down. There was basically no fucking way for the bank to lose money. Exactly the way the bank likes it. Exactly the way people like their banks: rock fucking solid.
The counter argument "That was XXX fucking years ago! And Jimmy ain't here no more!" 2) Yes, but enter THIRTY PERCENT quotas of these fucking subprime loans. Thirty percent. Which I warned about yada yada. What the hell does that have to do with anything?!? 3) Well. Do you know what Community Organizer means? We did the mainstream media's job and looked it up. It means working for ACORN suing banks that don't make enough insane loans. Posted by: Al at October 06, 2008 01:10 PM (Lk931) Posted by: George Orwell at October 06, 2008 01:10 PM (AZGON) 48
"What do you think he's deregulating?"Typical Michael Moore bullshit "asking questions". He sure the fuck wasn't in favor of letting Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac have less over site. I thought McCain said he was going to fight? Where's a fucking 527 group when you need one? Posted by: Dang at October 06, 2008 01:12 PM (XFyLb) 49
Sarah should distance herself from this shit. She won't, but she should. She should defy McCain and do her own thing.
Posted by: grognard at October 06, 2008 01:12 PM (kZVsz) 50
Listen to you handwringing pansies. Fuck, I didn't know monday was let's-put-our-nuts-on-our-shoulders-and-sniff-our-own-asses day. We haven't even had Ayers in the news for a full weekday yet, and already it's nonstop moaning about how McCain hasn't unloaded the entire dumpster of Obama trash yet. Get a grip, morons. You people are better than this. Stop channeling those saps who cried in the rain at Kerry HQ on election night in 2004. Save the tears. We can all have a nice big cry together next month if Teleprompter Jesus wins.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at October 06, 2008 01:15 PM (wgLRl) 51
You know what, I take back the bad things I said about the Democrats in my previous posts. Obviously, I was misinformed. If my party's candidate didn't know about any of those things, I was obviously misinformed.
I welcome my new Democrat overlords. Posted by: Americano at October 06, 2008 01:15 PM (MHmUX) 52
20 Jindal / Palin 12
McCain doesn't even need to mention CRA or what color skin the deadbeat borrowers have - enough of them were white failed speculators anyway. Just keep pounding "Democrat political pressure to issue unwise loans." "Democrats fought regulation." "Democrats who take it up the shitter having affairs with Fannie Mae officials." Okay, maybe not the last one so much. But just pound the obvious points. Hell, Saturday Night Fucking LIVE did a better job of making his case in a skit than McCain has. Posted by: Ronsonic at October 06, 2008 01:15 PM (ywSvi) 53
It's not a feint. It's their strategy.
I had no idea that bending over and spreading your ass checks was a strategy. Live and learn. Posted by: DrewM. at October 06, 2008 01:16 PM (hlYel) 54
It's not a feint. It's their strategy.
I am not left handed! Ahem. Here's a question, why the hell should anyone fight for McCain when he won't fight for himself? Posted by: alexthechick at October 06, 2008 01:16 PM (SHHaV) 55
Suicide is a fucking strategy?
Through early morning fog I see visions of the things to be the pains that are withheld for me I realize and I can see... That suicide is painless It brings on many changes and I can take or leave it if I please. I try to find a way to make all our little joys relate without that ever-present hate but now I know that it's too late, and... Suicide is painless It brings on many changes and I can take or leave it if I please. The game of life is hard to play I'm gonna lose it anyway The losing card I'll someday lay so this is all I have to say. Suicide is painless It brings on many changes and I can take or leave it if I please. The only way to win is cheat And lay it down before I'm beat and to another give my seat for that's the only painless feat. Suicide is painless It brings on many changes and I can take or leave it if I please. The sword of time will pierce our skins It doesn't hurt when it begins But as it works its way on in The pain grows stronger...watch it grin, but... Suicide is painless It brings on many changes and I can take or leave it if I please. A brave man once requested me to answer questions that are key 'is it to be or not to be' and I replied 'oh why ask me?' 'Cause suicide is painless it brings on many changes and I can take or leave it if I please. ...and you can do the same thing if you choose. Posted by: WalrusRex at October 06, 2008 01:16 PM (DVVXZ) 56
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"Two-thousand and twelve"
Just say it to yourselves "Two-thousand and twelve" By then we will be rid of the rest of the DC GOP (McConnell, Warner, McCain) and we can begin to rebuild the Conservative Movement. 2012 is not soon enough. Even with a filibuster-proof majority the democrats will be able (with the help of the MSM) to blame everything on Bush and the republicans. Maybe by 2016, after years of total democratic control the MSM will no longer be able to fool 51% of the electorate any more. This of curse is assuming that the Ministry of Fairness will not have outlawed conservative thought by then. Posted by: don_erico at October 06, 2008 01:17 PM (sDDDA) Posted by: The Obvious at October 06, 2008 01:17 PM (1g+FW) 58
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Posted by: Z Ryan at October 06, 2008 01:17 PM (PDeVA) 59
I'm having a hard time believing this. Seriously, I just am. It's one thing to lose if it's just not your year, but this... this is horseshit if true. Maybe it's denial, but seriously, if McCain doesn't throw an elbow or two tomorrow night concerning this, then I'm moving on to acceptance. Posted by: Lee at October 06, 2008 01:17 PM (Xb3DR) 60
"Well. Do you know what Community Organizer means? We did the mainstream media's job and looked it up. It means working for ACORN suing banks that don't make enough insane loans."
Actually, this would be a good Palin line, following up her convention attack. Posted by: someone at October 06, 2008 01:17 PM (2z2WN) 61
http://tinyurl.com/4lhvxg
Wow, how has this gone unnoticed? Devastating shit.....this aint over yet Posted by: CaptainCrunch at October 06, 2008 01:18 PM (bW4Qp) 62
I'll never figure out how McCain came away with the nomination, but the point a lot of us were making and no one was hearing is this: "Maverick" for McCain means a consistent lack of consistency. He's all over the place, sometimes right, sometimes left, on the fence a lot as well. We never had a Republican nominee. Get it? After 2006, Republicans disappeared. We did not rebuild a party. Did not reestablish our conservative principles. So we get McCain. I'm glad he's losing. Let The Messiah have a crack at it. Maybe we will get some help in rebuilding this time, because we'll have something to fight.
Posted by: pamelamarie44 at October 06, 2008 01:20 PM (U0GGR) 63
I guess McCain is more of Bush. The not fighting back side of Bush.
Get ready for Chicago style politics to go national. Posted by: joeindc44 at October 06, 2008 01:20 PM (QxSug) 64
No Balrog,
This sort of refusal on McCain's part would show he has developed a nasty habit of tolerating corruption, maybe encouraging it even. I can get that from Obama. Posted by: The Obvious at October 06, 2008 01:20 PM (1g+FW) Posted by: Russell Ziskey at October 06, 2008 01:21 PM (LlaBi) 66
Disclaimer: I have no connection whatsoever with the campaign or anyone in it.
That said, do you really think that Rick Davis is fucking retarded? He's pulled off some amazing shit already, and kept what should be a blowout incredibly close. They must have internal polling showing that the bailout is toxic to Mac, either by itself (doubtful) or in combination with teh S&L issue (that's my guess). The RNC is flush with money, and mac CAN stay above the fray. They knew BO had the S&L shit ready to go in about a week, and they launched a preemptive Ayaers strike. Then Rezko, and then Wright, and THEN infanticide. Take heart, my Allah-esque fellow morons, if Ayers didn't have legs, they wouldn't be running with it Posted by: moronizer at October 06, 2008 01:23 PM (p1s9n) 67
In today's news, the McCain camp capitalizes on his Military theme and releases their new campaign song:
VOTING DEM IS PAINLESS Through late election fog I see visions of the things to be the pains that are withheld for me I realize and I can see... [chorus]: That voting Dem is painless It brings on many changes and I can take or leave it if I please. I try to find a way to make a way for moderates to relate without that ever-present hate but now I know that it's too late, and... [Chorus] The election game is hard to play I'm gonna lose it anyway The losing card I'll someday lay so this is all I have to say. [Chorus] The only way to win is cheat And lay it down before I'm beat and to another give my seat for that's the only painless feat. [Chorus] Obama's taxes will pierce our skins It doesn't hurt when it begins But as they work their way on in The pain grows stronger...watch it grin, but... [Chorus] A brave Ace once requested me to answer questions that are key 'Will you fight, or will you flee' and I replied 'oh why ask me?' 'Cause voting Dem is painless it brings on many changes and I can take or leave it if I please. ...and you should do the same thing, because I'll lose. Posted by: Americano at October 06, 2008 01:25 PM (MHmUX) 68
The fucking thing is, the western states are very heavy absentee voting. Faster. Please.
Posted by: Al at October 06, 2008 01:25 PM (Lk931) 69
After 2006, Republicans disappeared. We did not rebuild a party. Did not reestablish our conservative principles.
Indeed. For all those who think a few years of Democrat policy will "turn people's heads," you'll have to explain why the nation isn't crying out for Democrat heads on pikes, after two years of a solid Dem Congress, one that even has a lower approval rating than W. But instead it looks like a banner year for the Dangerous Party. And I for one will gladly change my name to George The Pants-Wetting Pansy if McCain pulls this out. In fact, I'm praying for it. Posted by: George Orwell at October 06, 2008 01:26 PM (AZGON) 70
With all the doomsayin in here, the Alaskan Independence Party is starting to sound pretty good.
Posted by: right at October 06, 2008 01:26 PM (pMGkg) 71
Hmmm... but as rockmom said on the other thread, hasn't McCain been pounding the Freddie/Fannie hammer already, in speeches & ads, over the past weeks? Maybe he thinks it's taken him as far as it can go, or it's fallen on deaf ears, or people are sick of the topic/entrenched in their conclusions/it's worth moving on to other themes? It can't be because of the bogus charges of racism--that doesn't make sense, if he (or Palin) is unafraid to go after Wright, Ayers, et al. I find it hard to believe he's going out of his way to avoid the topic, when we've already seen it as a big theme in his campaign... perhaps he's gambling on the advantage of a shift in emphasis, now, in the last month?
In any cases, if he's pulling punches, I can imagine Palin's ("take the gloves off," we should be in Michigan, etc.) frustration... Let's hope he'll heed some of her instincts. On the other hand, perhaps a division of labor-- letting her take her gloves off, attack what needs attacking-- can work just as well. Unlike any other presidential campaign I know of, the VP here has as much if not more of the spotlight & megaphone: if she speaks where McCain is silent (or rather, moving on to other topics, themes of patriotism etc.), it still might work. Posted by: lael at October 06, 2008 01:27 PM (ulEmZ) 72
What's the current projection on the Dems getting a filibuster proof majority in the Senate? I suspect that is all that stands between us and The New Socialist Man Re-Education Camp now. Just out of curiousity, can they find out who you are from a blog comment?
Posted by: JeffK at October 06, 2008 01:27 PM (+vp9D) 73
You have to think that even if Mac is too much of a pussy to pound the point home, the GOP will absolutely have to in the hopes of minimizing the massacre that is supposed to happen in the congressional races.
Posted by: nord at October 06, 2008 01:28 PM (azL8r) 74
Even Megan McArdle is on the McCain alone is dirty in this bandwagon.
her post: There's an email going around claiming that Barack Obama has three former Fannie execs as key advisors; a reader just emailed me to ask if it was true. No. John McCain is going to have to bear his humiliating connections to lobbyists alone. http://tinyurl.com/442ovo Posted by: MayBee at October 06, 2008 01:29 PM (lAE3K) Posted by: Americano at October 06, 2008 01:30 PM (MHmUX) 76
That said, do you really think that Rick Davis is fucking retarded?
He's pulled off some amazing shit already, and kept what should be a
blowout incredibly close.
They must have internal polling showing that the bailout is toxic to Mac, either by itself (doubtful) or in combination with teh S&L issue (that's my guess). The RNC is flush with money, and mac CAN stay above the fray. They knew BO had the S&L shit ready to go in about a week, and they launched a preemptive Ayaers strike. Then Rezko, and then Wright, and THEN infanticide. I hope you are right. But if all this stuff has not stuck to obambi in almost a year of being out there, why will it stick to him in the next couple of weeks? It takes a lot of repetition over a long period of time to penetrate dumbed-down skulls. Posted by: don_erico at October 06, 2008 01:30 PM (sDDDA) 77
Moronizer,
I know Ayers has legs. But the fact that McCain is willing to let Dodd and Franks of the hook flies in the face of any claims McCain can make about ear marks, spending, or opposing corruption. As it stands the only people he is willing to label as corrupt are the people the Congress forced into handing out bogus loans with crappy legislation. I'm not tolerating that, I'm not ignoring that and I'm not voting for that. McCain tells me who is repsonisble, how he will punish them and how he will make certain it never happens agin. Period. He cannot protect his fellow travellers in government club. That is corrupt. Posted by: The Obvious at October 06, 2008 01:30 PM (1g+FW) Posted by: 1sttofight at October 06, 2008 01:31 PM (fq50Z) 79
Rezko's sentencing is in late October (when the Cubs should have hosted the World Series, bwha!).
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at October 06, 2008 01:32 PM (XoYY8) 80
It's not a feint. It's their strategy. Is the campaigns goal to lose 40 states and provide the Democrats a filibuster proof majority in the Senate and a huge advantage in the House (possibly a veto proof 2/3's majority in both houses)? That's were they're headed in my opinion. Everytime they blame the mess on "wall street greed" they are essentially blaming themselves since, incorrectly, the average joe equates Wall Street with Republicans. The people I talk to scoff at John McCain or Republicans in general coming out against "wall street greed", they see it as "oh, the Republicans were the party of wall street but now that wall street has screwed up they're going to take them on? Now they want to clean up Wall Street? Too late". It seems like BS because it is BS just not for the reason's the people are thinking. Also McCain's strategy concedes the point that the financial crisis is the result of Wall Street greed which is death for Republicans based on voter perception(whether the perception is accurate doesn't make any difference) alone. How could his people not understand this? It would be like if there were a huge financial crisis due to some global warming legislation and then the Dems all the sudden decided global warming was a hoax and that they were going to take on the enviromentalist pressure groups etc. People wouldn't buy it and they are not buying that the Republicans are going to be cleaning up Wall Street. If that's the argument McCain is going with the Republican Party is going to suffer a bloodbath in November. Posted by: Big E at October 06, 2008 01:33 PM (uw1/g) 81
If they had been right the first time they'd called this election season, we would be seeing Hillary running against Rudy.
Posted by: Stinky Esposito at October 06, 2008 01:33 PM (MMC8r) 82
If McCain thinks this issue is spent because he has been addressing it for weeks, I would politely remind him that currently, the Dow is down 535.55 TODAY.
I think he should keep (or at least fucking START talking about it) Posted by: Americano at October 06, 2008 01:34 PM (MHmUX) 83
Maybe it's denial, but seriously, if McCain doesn't throw an elbow or two tomorrow night concerning this, then I'm moving on to acceptance.
Yep, same here. Everyone acknowledges this is what's driving the poll numbers and if he's not willing to counter it, then it's time to start looking to the future. On the bright side, if Dear Leader is elected all the complaints about never having a black president will finally end. Of course, all the complaints about having only one black president will begin, but i'm trying to be positive here. Posted by: koopy at October 06, 2008 01:37 PM (q8JxI) 84
"You should have a You Tube contest for ads on this point. Show them it
can be done with crayons and big piece of pixel paper in fairly short
order."
Excellent idea. Apparently, a man of demonstrated honor and character is refusing to use the truth to defend us? This can't be right... He's smarter than this, isn't he? I know he's read "The Art of War." He'll do better, I hope. They have to have a plan, a strategy of some kind. The good news is that games are often won in the fourth quarter, often by the folks with the most character. I hope it holds true. "Teleprompter Jesus" really good... Posted by: Sgt. York at October 06, 2008 01:39 PM (u3pgy) 85
THIS NEEDS ITS OWN THREAD
61 http://tinyurl.com/4lhvxg Wow, how has this gone unnoticed? Devastating shit.....this aint over yet Posted by: PISSED at October 06, 2008 01:40 PM (tq6S/) 86
If they had been right the first time they'd called this election season, we would be seeing Hillary running against Rudy.
Oh, what I would give for the days when I was afraid of Hillary! Posted by: don_erico at October 06, 2008 01:40 PM (sDDDA) 87
The economic problems ,no matter how well it is explained, is a loser for McCain. The unfortunate facts are that no matter how inaccurate, the party in the White House is blamed for the economy. McCain would be wasting valuable time and walking straight into a counter punch if he were to focus on assigning blame. He should limit his economic attacks to Obama's tax increases and other policies that would exacerbate on present economic conditions. He should continue to hit on energy exploration. Finally he should go full force on Ayers, Wright and Rezko and all the ancillary radical connections and history.
Posted by: polynikes at October 06, 2008 01:40 PM (m2CN7) 88
McCain is right. No way he can beat the Lying One on economy, he tried to fight back and got 14 poins down in the polls.
McCain should attack Obama on experience, connections and his loony radicalism - and hope the economic crisis will not stay on the top of the news. Posted by: Aquaman at October 06, 2008 01:41 PM (L5FUo) 89
History Lesson ... remember early August 2008 .... Barrak was gettingb the Dem knod. Who was betting McCain even had a chance? How many naysayers about what he would do. How he picked a woman, well you know that story. Our job is to work and pray, there are angelic forces fighting demons here, and we know God is stronger Mccain is being guided by the Guardian Angel of the USA, he is a feeble servant, a pawn of God. He is not perfect, nor should we expect him to be. It is not the strength of Mccain we rely on, but the Almighty Hand of God. Mccain is fighting for the control of a ship that the MSM and its demon-crats are running, the "USS American Voter". Tactics and strategy against demons is a little different, but Truth is the best weapon. Ohhhhh ... before we wail and cry too much ..... don't we still have the Carl Rove Factor? Posted by: Cromagnum at October 06, 2008 01:41 PM (UxAb/) 90
If McCain loses, Palin is toast. She'll be blamed for a lot of the loss by the MSM. She'll be the John Edwards of the GOP. Jindal will be looking pretty good tho.
Posted by: XBradTC at October 06, 2008 01:42 PM (Hxq/0) 91
"Hope ain't a strategy"
...one of the first things they teach you in Strategy and Tactics 101 in Military College Posted by: Sgt. York at October 06, 2008 01:43 PM (u3pgy) 92
Aqua,
No McCain is not right. This is about covering for Dodd and Franks and the people who have nearly ruined the American economy (not to mention the world economy) He cannot do that. But to this point he has. Posted by: The Obvious at October 06, 2008 01:43 PM (1g+FW) 93
McCain lost this election the minute he won the GOP nomination. He's a career politician and has absolutely no understanding of what real people want from their leaders. We needed a candidate who hasn't served as a legislator for years and years and years.
The GOP shot themselves in the foot. Fuck everyone who voted for McCain. Fucking. Clown. Shoes. Posted by: h2u at October 06, 2008 01:44 PM (TZKUw) 94
No, McCain needs to run a campaign.
If having Palin throw bombs is what it takes to get some media coverage, then that's what has to be done. The rope a dope strategy is a fantasy. Seriously, unless McCain broadsides Obie constantly, nothing is gonna happen. Maverick ain't going to do that. I think he'll pull an Obama and agree with him the whole debate. Posted by: joeindc44 at October 06, 2008 01:44 PM (QxSug) Posted by: Sgt. York at October 06, 2008 01:44 PM (u3pgy) 96
Richard Fuld, chairman of Lehman Bros., a man who Waxman wants to call in front of his committee, and his wife gave almost $175,000 directly to the Democrat party. His donations to Republicans were sparse and he gave 10 times as much to Democrats.
There are no Republicans running Wall Street. Posted by: AmishDude at October 06, 2008 01:45 PM (T0NGe) 97
This is about corruption. Right now McCain is in favor of hiding it rather than confronting it. Unimpressive.
Posted by: The Obvious at October 06, 2008 01:45 PM (1g+FW) 98
(Also, if *SNL* is making skits that implicate the Democrats in this, there must have been effective dents made in the Dem narrative, penetrating even the densest regions of pro-Obama "conventional wisdom.")
Posted by: lael at October 06, 2008 01:45 PM (ulEmZ) 99
Hillary come back.
Posted by: SarahW at October 06, 2008 01:46 PM (7sl9X) 100
He's attacking him on all of it in New Mexico today. Obama's opposition to questions, his support for sub-prime mortgages, his advisors being former Fannie & Freddie execs, etc..
Posted by: Benson at October 06, 2008 01:52 PM (qzcNU) 101
If McCain loses, Palin is toast. She'll be blamed for a lot of the loss
by the MSM. She'll be the John Edwards of the GOP. Jindal will be
looking pretty good tho.
If Palin is toast it will be because of an extremely focused, vicious and very effective character assassination campaign by the left and the MSM. Do not expect anything less for Jindal. In fact Jindal might be an easier target because his impacable conservative views are more developed and documented than Palin's who's conservative philosofy is more exemplified with her life than expressed in position papers or statements. We need to start planning now for the inexhorable Jindal attack and do all we can to pre-empt it and effectivelly counter it. Posted by: don_erico at October 06, 2008 01:53 PM (sDDDA) 102
Because John McCain won’t attack and tell the truth on this one, we are more likely to end up being controlled by the people who are largely responsible for the current economic mess we are in now!
Hey, all you primary voters who pushed McCain down our throats… are you happy now? Posted by: Lily at October 06, 2008 01:54 PM (eyBZq) 103
81
If they had been right the first time they'd called this election season, we would be seeing Hillary running against Rudy.
Exactly right. Given how wrong the predictions have been up to this point, I'll wait until after the election to get depressed. Until then I plan to keep my powder dry, show up on election day, and vote. Posted by: Achmed at October 06, 2008 01:55 PM (x7T2O) 104
If this is true, what's next? How do conservatives move forward? How do we break the dominance of the media?
What does this do to Sarah? She has shown she can break with the campaign, if necessary. Will she do that here, when the issue is far more important than the suspension of campaigning in Michigan or a disagreement over ANWR? If she does, she remains viable. People will understand she has to defer to the top of the ticket, but will recognize her tugging at the leash. If she does not, then she probably is severely damaged by this. I still hope McCain wakes up. I'm still going to vote for him, but it will only be so I can say in good conscience that "I told you so" whenever someone bitches about Obama screwing up the country. Posted by: grognard at October 06, 2008 01:56 PM (5npD/) 105
I just read the New Mexico comments linked in #100 (thanks for the link, Benson). He needs to say precisely this in the debate, and he needs to back it up with more particulars. Then, when Obama comes back, he needs to hit him harder.
At this point, playing rough is what is needed. If McCain doesn't, he's still choking. Posted by: grognard at October 06, 2008 02:00 PM (5npD/) 106
As a lifelong democrat, a connoisseur of amecican wines and the hip-hop sub-culture, I am relieved to see that Mr Obama has developed a detailed plan to deal with the current economic crisis. I confess I had been worried, but now that I know he has focused his razor-sharp intellect on capitalism's failure, he'll undoubetedly bring the same insight, energy and persistence to these issues that he brought to the failing public school system in Chicago. I will rest easy and not worry about my 401K.
Posted by: Xantippe Cross, NY,NY at October 06, 2008 02:00 PM (lB/5N) 107
The video posted at 61 and 85 IS utterly devastating. Seriously. That's bigger than Ayers, Wright and Raines combined, IMO. Holy fucking shit, how has no one noticed that before now?
Qwinn Posted by: Qwinn at October 06, 2008 02:02 PM (3FVXC) 108
he'll undoubetedly bring the same insight, energy and persistence to
these issues that he brought to the failing public school system in
Chicago. I will rest easy and not worry about my 401K.
Yes, don't worry, your 401K will be very low in your list of worries. Posted by: don_erico at October 06, 2008 02:02 PM (sDDDA) 109
Not to mention the creative force that raged through the Harvard Law Review's Offices during his historic tenure.
Posted by: Xantippe Cross, NY,NY at October 06, 2008 02:03 PM (lB/5N) 110
Welcome to the other side Xantippe.
Posted by: Al at October 06, 2008 02:03 PM (Lk931) 111
The video posted at 61 and 85 IS utterly devastating. Seriously. That's bigger than Ayers, Wright and Raines combined, IMO. Holy fucking shit, how has no one noticed that before now?
Some of us have been talking about Obama and Odinga for months and were always informed that Obama was such a weak candidate that going into his connection with Odinga, much like his muslim heritage (it's just ridiculous to think a guy whose middle name is Hussein could possibly be a muslim after all), wasn't necessary. Posted by: koopy at October 06, 2008 02:11 PM (q8JxI) 112
Supporting McCain's like trying to carry a dead body up Mt Everest.
Yeah, I'll still get out and vote for him. But it would be nice if he actually showed a little fire in the belly and, you know, fought for it himself. Just how retarded do you have to be to *not* link the Dims and the payola from Freddie and Fannie and the current crisis. Just how lazy or cowardly do you have to be to not to look Obama in the eye and mention the money he got from F&F and his votes and Dodd's and Frank's money and votes and laws passed. Sorry, Senator, you need to man up, you need to wade into the crap. You aren't going to get to sit around and sniff daisies and tell us about your honor. america doesn't deserve a Lovable Loser running for POTUS. All of us have had friends we've turned loose because of their actions. If you don't have the guts to do it to your Senate "friends", maybe you need to forget about running for "health reasons" and turn it over to someone who really wants the job. Posted by: rinseandspit at October 06, 2008 02:13 PM (ao5cQ) 113
Dear John, Thanks for letting me pwn you on the economy. Is this a tactic or a strategy? I'm not sure what I did to garner your support on this issue, but please continue to not mention my deep ties to the scumbags that ran Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the democrats that blocked all efforts to prevent the current crisis. As you may have noticed, I have swapped our respective positions and records on this subject. I hope that was ok. It didn't seem like you would mind. My subjects work very hard at making all this stuff up. Its actually become quite competitive at our campaign as to who can distort the truth the most to make me look even more deserving of the throne (sorry just what we call it here). To be honest, I never laughed harder when we decided that I was the one that had been railing against Fannie and Freddie and you and the repubs were their biggest backers. None of this would be possible without your silence so thanks again. Your pal, Barack "Subprime Crusader" Obama P.s. - I was thinking of using your Vietnam story. Would that be ok with you?
Posted by: Prindle at October 06, 2008 02:24 PM (2Ynt1) 114
http://tinyurl.com/4lhvxg
Wow, how has this gone unnoticed? Devastating shit.....this aint over yet Thanks for posting that. This does deserve its own post. Posted by: Dang at October 06, 2008 02:35 PM (XFyLb) 115
In regards to the Odinga video, it took me a while but I managed to
track down the Human Rights Watch report cited in the video that holds
Odinga's party responsible for the violence. It's a short link:
ttp://tinyurl.com/465e3p Qwinn Posted by: Qwinn at October 06, 2008 02:44 PM (3FVXC) 116
I think I predicted all of this in a comment somewhere. When McCain let Obama push him around on the issue in the debate, when he played Jack Kemp and agreeing that the republicans suck, it was all done. Look, the Democrats are afraid of a veto proof majority now because it's like the dog catching the car. What do they do now?
Posted by: blaster at October 06, 2008 02:46 PM (BiphJ) 117
If Obama is really up 6 or 7 points it means the independents have broken for him. Them being a wishy washy group they may break back to McCain but I doubt it. If McCain is going to run on character he loses. Not because his character isn't better than Obama's but because character is a secondary issue at best. The problem I see is that during the convention McCain changed his campaign theme to "Reform", but the best I can tell he has not since come out with even one proposal on how to reform Washington. And I'll tell you if he can't name names now his reform mantra will seem to be just a political ploy. Worse yet Palin didn't even touch on it in her debate with Biden, chosing rather to "reform Wall Street". The fact that he thinks the financial crisis is too complicated to explain seems to indicate his reform agenda is a dead letter. I mean how is he going to reform something if he can't explain it. How is this for a summary of the financial crisis: "Many members of Congress, especially Democrats, received large sums of money from financial insitutions to block oversight of very risky loans. McCain tried to stop these risky loans, but he needs your help to reform Washington to stop this from happening again."
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There's a big effing difference between wanting to regulate a government entity as Fannie Mae ultimately was (regardless of what they want to call it) and wanting to regulate what should be a private industry.
This was a failure of economic intervention not deregulation. Posted by: Henry Gomez at October 06, 2008 06:25 PM (xBI3P) Posted by: C.W. Dweeb, ny, ny at October 06, 2008 09:12 PM (U/oVh) 122
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