1 that's a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot of whitespace

2 Hmm, I'm not sure why it's displaying like that on the minx page. It's fine on the others and in the blogging interface.

3

not bad gabe,

Good work.

4 Wow, Gabriel, that is just great. I predict lots of trackbacks to this.

5 Ifill did a pretty good job. 

Yeah, her questions were maybe tilted toward the kind of questions that Democrats would usually ask, but not viciously so, and Palin danced artfully around some of the preprogrammed answers (I pray three times a day facing ANWR that we'll get Palin in the Oval Office before carbon caps become law) and managed to get Biden to play follow-the-leader (gay marriage) on others.

We'll never know whether Ms Ifill got any 'guidance' from the debate commission after all the froufrou over her book, but regardless, the end result was fairer than any Republican not holding a gun in his or her hand can reasonably expect from the Obama Media these days.

6 As a concerned Christian Conservative making $140,000 a year, I was going to vote for John McCain until all this clearly racist white space showed up here.

7 Thanks dude, now I don't have to watch any of the debate! Time saved!

8

It is inconceivable to me why the Repubs are not taking it to the Dems on the FF issue.  Even the barracuda passed on a chance to destroy them during the debate tonight.  This problem is totally owned by the Dems and the Repubs are allowing them to spout this BS about deregulation and repeal of Glass-Steagle virtually unopposed.

 

It is the “Bush lied” mime all over again.

9 Sadly, Gwen didn't ask the really important question, i.e. Do you support Anne Hathaway's position on butt sex?

10 She already knew that Biden was big on butt sex, but only as a catcher.

11 Bullshit Question"What promises have you and your campaigns made to the American people that you're not going to be able to keep?"

McCain had said at his debate llast week there would be a spending freeze except for military. Palin needed to mention that McCain had already laid that out.

Individualism[To Biden:] How would a Biden administration be different from an Obama administration if that were to happen.

Palin should have asked Biden: Senator Biden, have you finally given up on imposing your plan to divide iraq into 3 separate countries, which the iraqis have never indicated they wanted?

Israel:"No one is a better friend to Israel than Joe Biden."
Palin should have asked Biden: Senator, you voted against the 1991 Gulf War. Since Iraq subsequently attacked neutral Israel (with missles) during that war, do you concede now that you made a mistake in not supporting
the first Gulf war.

12 Vic, dunno why myself.  Main St/Wall St, blah, blah, blah, doesn't cut it.  And the regulation baloney drives me nuts too.  There's regulation that actually does good, then there's stupid ass regulation.  And I don't trust congress to produce the former when their track record shows they are experts at the latter.

Ace posits that Juan is waiting for the bailout bill to pass.  If so, maybe that's why the RNC is waiting too. 

Me, I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the whole mess, so maybe there is an aspect of it that the Repubs are vulnerable on that I'm not aware of.  I've tried to email the RNC several times, but interestingly the contact email addresses at their site consistently get thrown back at me.  I don't know what the problem is, but it makes me feel like they don't really want to hear from me.

O/T and FWIW, I did find this summary of the mess from a libertarian point of view informative.  Everything I know about all of this I've learned in the last two weeks, so if it's below you, don't take offense (and don't come back and tell me I'm ignint about it, that I understand).

13

Rockhead

 

Yes, good article. Ace still thinks we need the bailout despite the Fed dumping 630 billion to aid in liquidity. I don’t understand that.

 

Everyone likes to keep saying that this issue is too complicated for us “common morons” to understand and we need to let the “experts” in Congress provide the solution. I find that thinking to be ludicrous to say the least.

 

The Lamocrat Party has basically signed over all of its desires on this issue to the Congressional Black Caucus whose knowledge of the economy can be boiled down to “where’s my check?” All those u-tube videos with Bwarny Fwank, Dodd, and the CBC should be played constantly as commercials.

 

Repubs should be attacking on this relentlessly. Instead they are, once again, playing nice so they can “reach across the aisle”. Personally, I think that strategy is more akin to begging for a “reach around” while getting the shaft.

14 Time for breakfast...back later

15

Watching the Fox morning spin and Steve Dooci(?) finally spoke the elephant on the couch when one of the heads wanted to know if this was the same Sarah Palin. He used the “edit” word regarding the CBS and ABC interviews. Of course the other clowns denied that, they are after all, News editors as well.

16 "Yes, good article. Ace still thinks we need the bailout despite the Fed dumping 630 billion to aid in liquidity. I don’t understand that."

Ace doesn't think that's enough. Also, where do you think the Fed gets its money? They print it, in essence. If the Fed dumps more in, that would have sharp inflationary pressure.

This problem could go away entirely if there was a willingness to print all the money required. Mind you, that could cause other problems....

17

Christoph

 

The Fed gets it’s money from the same place Congress does. It makes no difference where the money comes from in this case, only who is spending it.

18

Another Elephant on the Couch moment this morning with Fox’s panel of “independents” who overwhelmingly thought Palin won the debate. When asked who they preferred at the top of the ticket, almost ALL said Palin.

19

Nice table Gabe. TYVM.

I watched the debate but this breaks it down very neatly.

Should be a regular exercise.

20 Hey...LUN...this tops singing kiddies...

21

Not bad for a woman whose unmarried daughter just got knocked up, whose son is presently rolling into IED territory, and has reporters pawing through her trash.

Not bad at all.

22

A few preliminary matters: some observers during the liveblog (including me) thought that Ifill was giving Biden the last word more than Palin.

The process was First Word, Second Word, First Rebuttal, Second Rebuttal.  The candidate that had the Second Rebuttal got the First Word on the next question.  Sometimes, it got confusing because Ifill would inject a question into the Rebuttal phase and it threw the appearance of alternating shots off.

23 Daaaang girlfriend, you did a lot of work. Excellent.

24 Debates are boring. I prefer watching pajama momma get anally raped by a couple of big black men.

25 Hey Vic, are you compensating for something with the large font?

26 *Yawn

27

Obama saying he would meet without preconditions the "leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuala, Cuba and North Korea".

 

28

Great table.  Thanks.

Heh.  Came to work early and ran into the cleaning crew.  After they razzed me for looking like hell, I told them I stayed up late watching the debate.  Everyone mood quickly changed fom Friday happy-jokey sort to carefully neutral and one asked what I thought.  I first gave a sort-of bland answer (She did well, really well etc.) with general nods from them.

Then I just blurted, "Oh, she kicked his ass."  And they all laughed in agreement.  Big smiles and suddenly everyone was back to being relaxed and teasing each other.  They were delighted that I thought she did well as if they were personally worried about her and/or upset with the nasty attacks on her.

Very nice.  I say that Palin won big with many folks.

29

Things to do:

1- Get Slublog to photoshop Joe Biden in an orange  Home Depot apron

2- Point out to lib friend that, whatever Palin's shortcomings, Joe Biden managed to do the following:

a - be off by a *large factor* on that 3 weeks in Iraq = six years in Afghanistan comment, which he made repeatedly

b - screwed up the Lebannon/Hezbollaah piece

c - Confused major sections of the Constitution

d - lied about what his "principal" said.

--------------------------------

And for all the talk about Biden's comment about Clean Coal being "taken out of context" - I would have loved to hear Palin say "Just what is the context, Senator Biden ... China?"

 

-

30

<i>Debates are boring. I prefer <strike>watching pajama momma</strike> getting anally raped by a couple of big black men.

Fixed that for you.

31 Biden says they don't support redefining marriage "from the civil side". That means churches don't have to perform same-sex weddings. But "from the legal side", they fully intend to force your state to adopt same-sex "marriage". They'll hide behind judges to get it done, but they fully intend to do it. And that's just for starters.

32

Debates are boring. I prefer watching pajama momma getting anally raped by a couple of big black men.

There.

33

I guess minx doesn't like tables.  It stuck a <br /> tag at the end of every bit of table HTML code.

Paging Pixy.

34

klrtz1

 

Actually I usually type this in Word first and then paste it so I can spot eliminate typos etc. It is typed in a 12 point Arial font, which is standard where I used to work.

35 Bosniak, Bosniak. Bosniak. Bonsiak.

36

I wish to offer a more concise summary:

Wonder Woman kicked Joe Isuzu in the nuts.

37

Regarding "Bosniak" -

Sure, Bosniak is technically correct, but then so was Kerry's "jenjhis khan" pronounciation and, "Potatoe" was an accepted alternate spelling for spuds.

It doesn't matter that "Joe was right" what matters is that Joe's supporters will be on the defensive.

-

38 Thanks for the wrap-up, I couldn't bear to watch. I thought Joe B. and Gwen Ifill-my-bank-account-if-O-wins would gang up on her. 

39 Political qualifications of judges?????

40

My take is that the debate isn't really over. Or shouldn't be considered over, I guess.

Biden lied and lied and if he gets pounded on that, people's perception of how well he did will go down.

Anyone who tries to claim he did well should be met with a list of lies and the response, best given with a snear, "yeh, I could sound smart if I just made up a lot of stuff that sounded good."

 

41

Did anyone else see the Biden handshake with Sara as Clinton-esque?  The way he held her elbow to pull her close and look down on her rack.  Struck me as Creepy.

42

Biden: "McCain didn't see this crisis coming"

Wha?

43

Gabe,

Try removing the row comment <!-- ---> stuff out. It might be confusing the formatter.

44 *kicks NCThingy*

45

I thought I'd gone partially blind there for a minute.

And we're back...

46

Great job! Lots of work for you - thanks!

I love how she slices and dices her victim while smiling. It was great fun to watch!

I am really glad the truth came out about Ifil at the time it did. It caused the issue to be fresh in everyone's minds and put the spotlight on Ifil to have to be professional. I do not for 1 min think that she would have been as fair as she was, if things had not come to light just this week and brought such vivid reaction.

Clearly the Palin that we got to see last night - is the result of the McCain people realizing they were handling their hot rod car like it was a delivery van. We started seeing/hearing inklings last week that this was the case. Last night it was obvious that letting the hot rod car has been turned lose to do what they do! And she did a great job of leaving tread marks all over Biden.

Woot!

47

Freetofly

 

Actually you got to see her live and unedited, big difference there.

48

One of the biggest points Palin scored IMO was when she said she was the first Governor to appoint a subcabinet on climate change.  She talked all night about stuff she is ACTUALLY DOING to address some of our problems, while Biden just bloviated because he's never done anything important in 35 years.   I also thought her answers on climate change and gay rights were huge - she gave the Dems nothing to paint her as a right-wing extremist, and she came out center-right which is where 70% of America is.

I also LOVED how she also called bullshit on Biden about his vote on the war.  "It was a WAR resolution, Senator."  I am sick of these Dems that think they can bullshit the people now about that vote.  It didn't work for Hillary in the primaries, and it didn't work for Kerry and Edwards in 2004.  The McCain campaign is out with some huge quotes from Biden before and after the vote showing that of course he voted to invade and take out Saddam Hussein.

In general Palin called bullshit more often than Biden did.  That's how you win a debate.

49 Gabe,
According to my "source chart view", there are about a zillion breaks between your intro and the start of your chart. It shows each of your hidden bullet points followed by a dozen or so breaks.

50 Correct me where I'm wrong. But FactCheck.org misrepresents itself as unbiased.

FactCheck.org
-by Brooks Jackson, Viveca Novak, Lori Robertson, Joe Miller, Jessica Henig and Justin Bank
on Palin/Biden debate

1. NO WHERE is the VP Constitutional Role job description Gaffe noted!

2. SPAIN: "McCain appeared confused when asked whether he would meet with President Zapatero of Spain.  ...but it wasn't clear he'd understood the question." Couching anwer prior to "That's not a refusal to meet with Zapatero, as Biden said. It's simply a refusal to commit himself one way or the other."

3.IRAQ TROOP LEVELS: "and with the surge that has worked, we're now down to [TOWARDS] pre-surge numbers in Iraq." --not worth a factscheck spank.

4. Afghan General's Name: Biden didn't even try naming the General. Biden also did not correct Palin's mispronounciation of the General's name. Biden earned no points on "getting that right" as Fact Checks claims he did. Palin clarified that "surge" principles of holding what you take would indeed work in Afghanistan as it did in Iraq. Palin scored there, but FactChecks ignored her point. Biden's oversimplification denying that any surge in Afghanistan would work was wrong, and FactChecks hardly noted just how wrong Biden was on Afghanistan, giving him credit where he earned nada. Biden misrepresented the "surge" context and abused the report mentioned that seems to have been to place emphasis on unshakable  TRIBAL allegiances in the mountains of Afghanistan. Neither Palin nor McCain ever said that the geographical landscape of Iraq matches Afghanistan, nor that the ideological mindsets of Iraqis matches Afghanis.

5. Taxing lower bracket income earners and not providing adults with health care are things that Obama/Biden have yet to own up with explications. FactChecks isn't helping clarify the DNC POTUS platform's false promises. In fact, the Democrats have been touting health coverage for "every American". There's no loud admission YET that Obama will only fund health coverage for children. Hell, that's already on the books per state! CHIPS in TX.

51 If the reader presses "continue reading" the screen format is fine.
If the reader jumps directly to "comments" the blanks are on screen.

52 O/T but, as much as people carp about Bill O'Reilly being soft, shouldn't there be a thread showing the clip of him totally obliterating Barney Franks last night?
That was Awesome!

53 Biden paraphrased: Achilles Heel: "My study smells of Rich Mahogany. I'm kind of a big deal" Iran and Pakistan: "Brak killed a guy!" Bipartisanship: "I believe that was an old old old ship used in the civil war" Intervention: "You woke the bears! Why would you do that?!?"

54 This pic of Palin on the front page at lucianne is giving me heart palpitations.  That is one good looking governor.

55 Is it me, or did Biden just admit openly that political litmus tests for the Juciciary are now de rigueur?

I realized that when voting on judicial nominees, you can't just inquire as to their legal qualifications, you have to make sure of their political qualifications.

56 Looks like Minx is autoconverting your linefeeds into HTML formatting.  Not sure why it's coming out different to Movable Type, though.

57

I guess minx doesn't like tables.  It stuck a <br /> tag at the end of every bit of table HTML code.

Paging Pixy.

Yeah, it's supposed to do that.  The post is flagged in Movable Type as "convert line breaks", which makes MT put in tose <br /> tags.  Minx does the same.  Only Movable Type is either smart and doesn't do it in tables, or dumb and doesn't do it in extended entries.  Hmm.

58 Bosniak is right -- Totten's been using it for a while, IIRC.

59 Thanx for the chart. I find it very helpful to have the chart to squish the dems in my office today.

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