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Democrats In 2004…There Are No Problems At Fannie Mae Or Freddie Mac!

Caught on tape…Republicans warning about the problems caused by handing out mortgages like candy on Halloween and Democrats claiming those concerns were simply a way to stop poor people from getting homes.

Behold video you won’t be seeing in the MSM…

As Ace says, the Democrats built the bomb that ripped through the markets.

I think the worst thing about this bailout plan is it makes it nearly impossible to argue for free market solutions to problems going forward. Regardless of how much of the $700 Billion is actually spent or recouped, it will be thrown in the faces of people who say, ‘let the markets work’.

I’ve tried to explain the roots of this problem to several people and their eyes just glaze over. They don’t want to hear about the Community Reinvestment Act, ‘mark to market’, mortgage backed securities, Franklin Raines and all the rest. They just know that Wall Street came hat in hand looking for their money (okay, it was more like a stick up with a gun to our heads and dire threats if we didn’t fork over the money).

And let’s not forget to follow the campaign money.

RELATED: The House is debating the bailout bill right now and Barney Frank is managing the bill for the Democrats. It's enough to make you throw up. You can watch it online (it will be therapeutic for you if you have low blood pressure problems).

Posted by: DrewM. at 10:47 AM



Comments

1

I think all this pointing fingers is unquestionably...

RACIST!!!

Posted by: Sen. Rev. Dr. E Buzz at September 29, 2008 10:54 AM (PAObW)

2 Why isn't there a "I'm John McCain and I approve this message" tag at the end?

Posted by: Kurt at September 29, 2008 10:58 AM (83kzE)

3 You know, the NRO and the Standard could really make some hay here if they would simply call the folk in the MSM...Blitzer and Kurtz  and the rest and ask them why they have buried this. Why don't they?  Wy won't they?  Why haven't they?  Is it that NRO folk don't own cell phones, or is that they are too busy hammering on Sarah Plain to do any thing else?  Honestly what is their point?  Why are they there?  I honestly can see no point for them or in them.

Posted by: The Obvious at September 29, 2008 10:59 AM (1g+FW)

4 Get rid of GSE's in the first place? Why, Meeks, why would we ever, ever, EVER want to do that? HMMMM?

Posted by: Aurvant at September 29, 2008 10:59 AM (VvcWe)

5 Was in New York back in January 2007 when HSBC was the canary in the coal mine with the subprime blowup. I remember speaking witha  friend who had worked as a mortgage broker and everything up in the mortgage finance business. He said it would end with the taxpayers picking up the tab after a couple bancks had gone bust. this was Jan 2007.

Latest he said to expect an Enron like trial for some executive, possible fannie and freddie. should be interesting.

Posted by: konrad at September 29, 2008 11:00 AM (2Pfrj)

6 Karen Tumulty and Jonathan Alter and Joe Klein will have a field day calling it blatant racism of anything in that video of Congressmen using their own words.

Just a picture of Franklin Raines to them is racism at it's ugliest.

Posted by: Dennis at September 29, 2008 11:01 AM (BdDbR)

7 What, me worry?

Posted by: Barney "Alfred E. Neuman" Frank at September 29, 2008 11:06 AM (C3mTI)

8

Take a look at cnn.  Picture of a guy with a Jail Bush poster in Times Square.   

Posted by: RFC at September 29, 2008 11:12 AM (Sx0vj)

9 These investigations should be interesting.

Posted by: nikkolai at September 29, 2008 11:12 AM (1L9oz)

10 What's the worst thing about this?
The Republicans were in THE FUCKING MAJORITY. The President supported it. They still couldn't pass a bill to fix this crap.
Are we supposed to pat them on the back now or something?


Posted by: Rocks at September 29, 2008 11:12 AM (Q1lie)

11 McCain and Palin need to hammer this home.  The MSM won't cover it until McCain/Palin bring it up when they have MSM camera and mic time.  In fact, they should talk about nothing else until the MSM addresses it.  Any question not related to this mess goes unanswered.  Palin should use her time on Thursday to drive this home and not follow Ivers agenda/questions.  This is the number one item on American's minds and they need to attack and not take the "high road" because there isn't one in this case.

Posted by: CDR M at September 29, 2008 11:14 AM (WGcw3)

12 CSPAN IS SHOWING THIS LIVE

I hope Barney Frank chokes on his own pig slobber

what a fat fucking liar

the dems are falling all over esch other praising barney frank...its disgusting

Posted by: christy at September 29, 2008 11:14 AM (2epx0)

13

Karen Tumulty and Jonathan Alter and Joe Klein will have a field day calling it blatant racism of anything in that video of Congressmen using their own words.

Oh the video is racist, alright. Just not the way they mean.

Next time one of these fuckers like Maxine Waters spouts off about "reparations," I'd reply that $700 billion (on top of the trillions we've spent on similar bullshit over time) is enough.

Posted by: Andy at September 29, 2008 11:17 AM (C3mTI)

14

This is the sort of thing that makes me worry that our political system is totally broken.  It's right there; the smoking gun, their own words damning them... and they'll walk away unscathed, maybe even with a big barrel of pork under their arms.  Absolutely terrible. 

What happened to the country that could overthrow their own government and establish a new one in a bloodless revolution based on nothing more than practicality and philosophy? (I speak here of the ratification of the Constitution.)  The country that could engage in a "great national discussion"!  How far we have come! 

Well, it is our job.  Free speech isn't shut down yet.  I already e-mailed this video to dozens of friends, Dem, Indie, and Pac alike.  Let's get the word out, everyday. 

Posted by: Shillelagh at September 29, 2008 11:18 AM (Oz4Bj)

15

"Next time one of these fuckers like Maxine Waters spouts off about "reparations," I'd reply that $700 billion (on top of the trillions we've spent on similar bullshit over time) is enough."

Blood == boiling.

It's fucking incredible.

Posted by: Sen. Rev. Dr. E Buzz at September 29, 2008 11:21 AM (PAObW)

16 What the Democrats have been saying lately goes beyond spin.  It is enough to put the old Soviet Pravda to shame and has less truth than a Hugo Chavez election.

Phil Graham spent his career trying to get rid of CRA and failed, now they blame him for deregulation.  Well heck, the deregulation that is causing the problem is Fannie and Freddie.  Clinton did that and made CRA worse and Phil was out of congress when the Democrats last blocked attempts to re-regulate them.  This is doublespeak.

The deregulation that Graham favored involved reducing the prohibition of certain business lines to bank holding companies to allow them to compete worldwide..  Banks have always been allowed to hold mortages, in one form or another, and that is the problem, not Phil Graham.

Posted by: Robert at September 29, 2008 11:25 AM (Rb4Qc)

17 if one more person calls BRNET FRANK GREAT, HARD WORKER, WE SHOULD ALL BE GRATEFUL
I may break my television with anger!!!


if i could AFFORD ANOTHER ONE I WOULD!!!

sloppy, slobbering fat fuck

Posted by: christy at September 29, 2008 11:27 AM (2epx0)

18 You don't understand, the facts are irrelevant, specially if they are damaging to democrats. The script has been written and will not be altered. The corrupt republicans are responsible for the mess and we must thank the democrats for saving us and the rest of the world. All that matters is that 51% of the American people be stupid enough or misinformed enough to by the script. As we have seen this is not a difficult task if you repeat it night and day, have the MSM in the tank and a sheepish republican party  that does not have the balls or the ability to get the truth out and make it relevant.
We are sooooo screwed.
We need some of the perpetual optimists here to pump the rest of us up, it's getting very depressing.

Posted by: don erico at September 29, 2008 11:32 AM (sDDDA)

19

#18

Here's some optimism for you: you can get the word out.  Hamilton, Madison, and Jay wrote a series of 81 essays, one every few days, sometimes one every day.  All we have to do it copy and paste a link into an e-mail and hit send. 

Posted by: Shillelagh at September 29, 2008 11:35 AM (Oz4Bj)

20

McCain needs to start throwing some serious uppercuts if he expects to bring this home.

Maybe Palin will do it on Thursday, but frankly, that's too long.

The country needs to know who to blame. Because if they don't, the default is GOP.

Posted by: Andrew the Noisy at September 29, 2008 11:36 AM (V0QP1)

21 Er, 85 essays.  Sorry.

Posted by: Shillelagh at September 29, 2008 11:36 AM (Oz4Bj)

22 I LOVE JEFF FLAKE!!!!!
PLAIN/FLAKE 2012

Posted by: christy at September 29, 2008 11:43 AM (2epx0)

23 Out of curiousity, how did the votes in Congress go when these bills for regulation were brought up?  Does anyone know how to look them up?

Posted by: EC at September 29, 2008 11:44 AM (mAhn3)

24

BARNEY FRANK and NANCY PELOSI: two girls

THE BAILOUT BILL: one cup

Open wide...

Posted by: David Ross at September 29, 2008 11:44 AM (Lx/YH)

25 My question of the day: how do you start a new political party?

Posted by: davis,br at September 29, 2008 11:47 AM (zewwG)

26

Here's some optimism for you: you can get the word out.  Hamilton, Madison, and Jay wrote a series of 81 essays, one every few days, sometimes one every day.  All we have to do it copy and paste a link into an e-mail and hit send. 

Posted by: Shillelagh at September 29, 2008 11:35 AM (Oz4Bj)

Done

Posted by: don erico at September 29, 2008 11:48 AM (sDDDA)

27 This is very Nicehttp://tinyurl.com/5y6zzp

Posted by: PaRep at September 29, 2008 11:51 AM (dWdDN)

28 I read this somewhere: Putting Barney Frank and Chris Dodd in charge of the bailout bill is like putting O.J. Simpson in charge of finding his wife's killer.

Posted by: mark at September 29, 2008 11:55 AM (SUcpq)

29 You can watch it online, it will be therapeutic for you if you have low blood pressure problems).

I think I'll pass, my stomach has been taking a lot lately.

Posted by: don erico at September 29, 2008 11:58 AM (sDDDA)

30

I'm glad Drew said that about blood pressure. I've been worried about mine lately. I tend to have extremely low blood pressure, but lately I can feel it just spiking when I see Barney Frank. It also spiked when McCain missed opportunities to nail Obama in the debate -- I had to turn it off I was so frustrated.

WTF won't these stupid McCain people make hay out of this? It's a meatball that's just hanging there. What a bunch of assclowns.

Posted by: CornFedBeauty at September 29, 2008 11:58 AM (8r/RM)

31 I've been watching it on CNN live. A lot of people are coming out against it, but I can't tell if they are in the minority or the majority right now.

Posted by: Aurvant at September 29, 2008 11:59 AM (VvcWe)

32 EC, i'm sure you could find that on votesmart. org.

Posted by: kidney at September 29, 2008 12:00 PM (/RDxc)

33

I was at that hearing and it was hilarious watching those Democrats trashing Falcon, who was the OFHEO Director appointed by Bill Clinton.  The Black Caucus members all closed ranks around Brother Raines. 

There's another one out there that's even better if anyone can find the footage.  Richard Baker got hold of the executive compensation lost for Fannie in 2004.  Fannire threatened to sue him to keep him from releasing it.  (Sound familiar?)  But he did anyway.  Chris Shays was ready to kill someone in that hearing.

Posted by: rockmom at September 29, 2008 12:00 PM (iZqUY)

34

33 that does sound like a great hearing. Hope someone's combing C-SPAN right now to find it.

Though it's difficult to watch the impotent ineptitude of the Repubs.

Posted by: CornFedBeauty at September 29, 2008 12:02 PM (8r/RM)

35 James A. Johnson and Richard C. Holbrooke are two figures I'd examine here.  The two of them cofounded Public Strategies, Inc. in 1980 three years after the signing of the Community Reinvestment Act.  The two are back together as Vice-Chairmen of Perseus, LLC.

In between that are stops at investment banks and embassies.

Posted by: Gabriel Sutherland at September 29, 2008 12:04 PM (AHrTm)

36 Why does Barney Frank always sound like he has mouth gauze in like he just came from the dentist?

Posted by: Aurvant at September 29, 2008 12:05 PM (VvcWe)

37 The foxes are guarding the hen house.

The Chiiiicccckkkkeeeeennnnnsss are coming home to rrrrooooooooosssstttt!

And the chickens have been convinced the foxes are acting on their best interest.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at September 29, 2008 12:05 PM (4ZOxD)

38

check out what happened when a conservative tried to disseminate this video on ABC's website ... http://tinyurl.com/5ylwug

Posted by: mg at September 29, 2008 12:06 PM (rwEfT)

39 36 - that's a question best left unanswered.

Posted by: rockhead at September 29, 2008 12:07 PM (DvaIL)

40 Aurvant, best not to ask what's in Frank's mouth at any given moment.

Posted by: David Ross at September 29, 2008 12:08 PM (Lx/YH)

41 10 What's the worst thing about this?
The Republicans were in THE FUCKING MAJORITY. The President supported it. They still couldn't pass a bill to fix this crap.
Are we supposed to pat them on the back now or something?


Posted by: Rocks at September 29, 2008 11:12 AM (Q1lie)

Let me try to explain this.

Republicans probably had the votes in 2003-4 for a GSE reform bill.  But it would have been a party line vote, and even some liberal Republicans might have voted against it.  The Black Caucus would have been screaming racism, and Fannie and Freddie would have run TV and newspaper ads saying "why don't House Republicans like homeownership?"  It was an arcane argument to make at that time, when the housing and mortgage market was booming and making everyone rich, that Fannie and Freddie were taking on excessive risk.

And there were certainly not 60 votes in the Senate to pass a bill, ever.  House Republicans were not keen on a kamikaze mission of "voting against homeownership" only to have it die in the Senate.

Fannie was smart.  It put all its eggs in the Democrat basket, and as a result it had almost unanimous support from Democrats to block any serious regulation.

Posted by: rockmom at September 29, 2008 12:08 PM (iZqUY)

42

It's going to be a fun 4 years under President Obama and the Democrat-Media Complex.

Leftist Supreme Court appointments.

DOJ investigations into Republicans past present living and dead.

The Fairness Doctrine.

$50,000,000,000 US funds to the UN for anti-poverty initiatives.

US energy reserves off-limits while Obama bets the economy on wind power.

A national press more compliant than a bitch dog in heat, running front page stories of adoration of The One every day, in a manner that would make Orwell's "Ministry Of Truth" blush.

A rollback of US military and defense development that weakens our country.

The preception by terrorists organizations that the back door to the US is open, and the time is right for attacks inside the US.

A President who goes out of his way to suck Europe's cock.

 

We will have to re-evaluate Carter and Clinton after Obama is through.

 

Put me down with the 'let it burn' crowd. This is not the America I grew up in. I'm glad my father is not here to see this.

Posted by: Jones at September 29, 2008 12:10 PM (VkNlv)

43 I'm glad my father is not here to see this.

Ditto.

Posted by: rockhead at September 29, 2008 12:14 PM (DvaIL)

44 Does anyone know where I can pick up a $300,000 home for $30,000?

Posted by: Barry Soetoro at September 29, 2008 12:14 PM (UU4Hu)

45 Is it just me, or is this the way things always get managed when you put black liberals in charge? Talk about one trick ponys. Racsim! Racsim! Ugh. Who gets intimidated by that anymore? Oh yeah, white Republicans...

Posted by: JS at September 29, 2008 12:14 PM (Nnczr)

46 LIMBAUGH is airing this right now.

Can't wait to see how the vote turns out after he's expounded on this for an hour or two..

Posted by: mrclark at September 29, 2008 12:16 PM (ONPF0)

47 Barry, I gotta friend named Tony that can hook you up?  You want a really big yard?  I think he can swing the lot next door too.

Posted by: rockhead at September 29, 2008 12:19 PM (DvaIL)

48

"I’ve tried to explain the roots of this problem to several people and their eyes just glaze over. "

Yeah I have tried too.  No one really follows it. 

I have had a little more sucess claiming that this problem was created by Democrat's pushing for more and more un-credit worthy home loans over the last 15 years.  Then I say, Clinton tried to stop it, Bush tried to stop it, McCain tried to stop it and they all failed against the entrenched corruption in the House (& maybe mention Dodd and Frank if whoever I am talking too might know who those are).

So simply lay the blame at greedy/corrupt dem's in congress that no one has been able to root out regardless if they are Dem or Rep. 

At this point I am less concerned about the accuracy of my disscussions then trying to counter the various lies out there (Bush did it!)

The mention of Clinton is more for neutral friends so that I do not appear as a complete in-the-tank righty.

 

Posted by: ArandomPerson at September 29, 2008 12:24 PM (MSMPS)

49 Nancy Pelosi just said that she and the Democrats "believe in the Free-Market" and I just vomited all over my desk.

Then in her second breath she went out and blamed the free-market and said that this was all the free-markets fault.

Socialist economy practices incoming in just over a month when Obambi waltzes in to the office.

Posted by: Aurvant at September 29, 2008 12:26 PM (VvcWe)

50

Rush is talking about the racial angle used by the scumbags this vid.

it is fucking ridiculous.

Posted by: Senator Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller at September 29, 2008 12:26 PM (vFeQi)

51

Folks, we are misdirecting our frustrations and anger.

Yeah, I am chomping at the bit for McCain to unleash hell on these imbeciles too, but let’s use our heads in equal proportion to our hearts.

McCain running on this at present would be like running naked and alone against a hail of arrows so great as to block out the sun. Sure, it would be a brave and glorious death… but it would amount to nothing.

Let us assess fault and blame where it belongs. Our government was founded to be of the people, by the people and for the people. That means that the responsibility is OURS to take definitive action. For too long, our side and our party has stood idly by, making donations and pointing fingers at our isolated representatives while doing nothing ourselves.

Our opposition is rabble, but they are organized and out there making their individual voices heard in unison. They are taking aggressive action, even if it is ignorant and misguided. Meanwhile, we dismiss them as insignificant and have become lazy and complacent in our superior knowledge and understanding.

What is required is not only the action of our dwindling representation, since we have allowed their numbers and influence to plummet. What is an isolated voice of reason in contrast to a howling and insane mob who are fighting to protect their ill-gotten rewards and cover up for their crimes?

Stop blaming McCain and the Republicans. The sins are our own for allowing things to deteriorate this far. It is up to us to counter and overturn the actions of our opposition and provide a foundation, forum and cover for those who represent us to push the fight further.

If you are resolved to anger, then focus that anger on an personal accountability for this crisis. Otherwise, we are no better than those whom we oppose; as we cry injustice and seek the handouts and actions from others to right our wrongs.

Of the people, by the people and for the people- never forget that this is OUR government and OUR nation. It’s time that we accept personal responsibility for it.

Posted by: Damiano at September 29, 2008 12:27 PM (cfKer)

52

I am going to ask Frank Raines, excuse me, Franklin Delano Raines, for a loan of a few bucks to help me buy a house.

After all, that fucking piece of filth ripped that "company" off for millions. He can free up a few bucks to help me out.

I hate those fuckers.

Posted by: Senator Rev. Dr. E Buzz Miller at September 29, 2008 12:32 PM (vFeQi)

53 Pelosi is bashing the the bailout bill now? WTF? She's using it as a proxy to cut down the GOP for not letting her stimulus package pass. What the hell is going on here?

Posted by: Aurvant at September 29, 2008 12:34 PM (VvcWe)

54

This'll inspire confidence - here's how the $700 billion (that's $700,000,000,000) figure was arrived at:

"It's not based on any particular data point," a Treasury spokeswoman told Forbes.com Tuesday. "We just wanted to choose a really large number."

Posted by: Andy at September 29, 2008 12:35 PM (C3mTI)

55 It is up to us to counter and overturn the actions of our opposition and provide a foundation, forum and cover for those who represent us to push the fight further.

Posted by: Damiano at September 29, 2008 12:27 PM (cfKer)

How can this play out? What are actual strategies to make this happen? What can be the unifying force required to turn these words into concrete action? can it happen without leadership that has the ability to reach, galvanize, and unify the millions of conservatives who are desperately looking for a way to be relevant? Conservatism is much harder than liberalism because it requires personal responsibility and sacrifice: can it be sold when the number one force animating people is their pocketbook and their economic security insted of their liberty?

Posted by: don erico at September 29, 2008 12:44 PM (sDDDA)

56 Well, you know what I think? I think that this all started back in---

[The following comment has been censored because it was going to involve logic and therefore would have been found racist]

and the Clinton administration actually changed a whole bunch of--

[more logical thinking that we, the left truth squad, have found racist]

and we need to reform all of the--

[lalalalalala stupid conservative capitalist pigs lalalalala]

and that's what we need to do.

Posted by: Aurvant at September 29, 2008 12:45 PM (VvcWe)

57

Bah-it's impossible to be partisan about this, even for someone who is as incredibly partisan as myself.  The Pubbies shoud have passed the reform through the House and let the Senate Dems block it.  If  When they did and the current mess came to pass we could have bludgeoned them with it to no end.  Instead we now have a huge failure by both parties and we have to figure out which one we are going to reward for it.

Well, on further thought it has to be the weak-sister Pubbies.  This kind of outright mendacity by the Dems can't be allowed to stand, but God what a mess we have in our political system.

Posted by: CavMedic at September 29, 2008 12:47 PM (rYFmu)

58 You know what's really frustrating is showing and explaining all the evidence on the genesis of this crisis to my liberal or on-the-fence friends and family...

And their eyes just glaze over. I must be wrong, because it is a financial crisis involving not enough regulation, corporate fat-cats, and Wall St.

ipso facto, it is a Republican caused crisis, and damn those lying eyes for saying otherwise.

Posted by: krakatoa at September 29, 2008 12:48 PM (/FUhT)

59 Thanks to gerrymandering 95% of the House is fucking untouchable in elections.

What ever happened to the Term Limits Amendment?  America needs term limits now more than ever.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at September 29, 2008 12:53 PM (4ZOxD)

60

Bah-it's impossible to be partisan about this, even for someone who is as incredibly partisan as myself.  The Pubbies shoud have passed the reform through the House and let the Senate Dems block it.  If  When they did and the current mess came to pass we could have bludgeoned them with it to no end.  Instead we now have a huge failure by both parties and we have to figure out which one we are going to reward for it.

Well, on further thought it has to be the weak-sister Pubbies.  This kind of outright mendacity by the Dems can't be allowed to stand, but God what a mess we have in our political system.

Posted by: CavMedic at September 29, 2008 12:47 PM (rYFmu)

The problem Cav is that the MSM WOULD NOT HAVE BLUDGEONED the Dems with this.  We have this video and I doubt it will see the light of day outside the "right-wing-blogosphere".

Posted by: HawaiiLwyr at September 29, 2008 12:55 PM (Mt4OE)

61 Frank Raines needed help.  He had to convince the board of Fannie Mae.  When you examine the board at the time of his serving you will see James A. Johnson and Jamie Gorelick.

But you cannot stop with just the Democrats.  There are more Democrats at Fannie Mae, but there are also Republicans like Stephen Freidman.  He resigned in 2002 from the Fannie Board to become an adviser to President Bush.  Prior to Fannie, Freidman was CHAIRMAN OF GOLDMAN SACHS.  He retired from GS in 1994 after 28 years with the firm.

Fannie Mae was a huge component in absorbing terrible risk from Wall Street investment banks.  As you pass a piece of shit up the food chain, it's still a piece of shit to the last holder.

Posted by: Gabriel Sutherland at September 29, 2008 12:56 PM (AHrTm)

62 Why is it whenever the speakers all seem to be FOR the bailout the DOW seems to drop?

Posted by: Aurvant at September 29, 2008 01:02 PM (VvcWe)

63

Yep, if only their congressmen were texting underage pages.  This is simply to complicated to understand for the average American trying to pay bills and take their kids to school.  The dems are, in my mind, fatally corrupt, but their corruption can not be explained in a 30 second sound bite.  That's why the only thing that took Clinton down was the easiest to explain, sex and lying under oath.

If only Obama would call Tushar a Macaca, we would be all set.  No offense Tush. 

Posted by: Judd at September 29, 2008 01:04 PM (BXHeE)

64 Why aren't the Republicans beating the Dems over the heads with this. They could win the election on this. Make Nancy pass that abortion of a bill by herself.

Posted by: Iblis at September 29, 2008 01:04 PM (9221z)

65

I just caught a bit of Jane Skinner speaking with Obama's head campaign guy. The guy was explaining how Obama is working with the leaders over the phone, going over the details to make sure the bailout bill is in the best interest of the American people.  Then Burton turned around and said (not verbatim), And once he's president he'll go through it line by line and make sure it's good for the people. JS then asked, shouldn't he be going through it line by line, now? And the guy got all flustered with the uh .. .uh . .well, as president it'll be his job . .. JS said, Isn't it his job to do that now? Campaign guy, Well, uh uh uh once he's president uh uh  he'll have the power to make sure uh uh all the money's going where it should be . ..  I thought for sure he'd end with, "Yeah, that's the ticket!"

So I guess, this is the way Obama will say, I had no idea what was in the bill. They assured me my stuff was in there. How was I to know? I guess I made a misjudgment.  He did say O would be there for the vote. I wonder if he'll vote present?

Posted by: estee at September 29, 2008 01:06 PM (51h4I)

66

HawaiiLwyr-probably, but then you do it because (and here's a novel idea for Washington), it's the right thing to do!!!

The media is what it is, the Dems are what they are, if we let them dictate our course of action-when we are solidly in the majority-we hand them victory, which is pretty much where we are now.

Posted by: CavMedic at September 29, 2008 01:10 PM (rYFmu)

67 How can this play out? What are actual strategies to make this happen? What can be the unifying force required to turn these words into concrete action? can it happen without leadership that has the ability to reach, galvanize, and unify the millions of conservatives who are desperately looking for a way to be relevant? Conservatism is much harder than liberalism because it requires personal responsibility and sacrifice: can it be sold when the number one force animating people is their pocketbook and their economic security insted of their liberty?

Posted by: don erico at September 29, 2008 12:44 PM (sDDDA)

Forgive me, but I will answer your question with question:

What leadership has the other side shown? Who is it that have galvanized their actions?

The answer is no one. They have been successful in their own way out of nothing but sheer ignorance. Rather than wait for a call to action, they have instead run out of their doors, screaming their ignorant heads off until they could no longer be ignored.

They have no facts, message or consistency; other than being loud and opposed to the "estabishment". That is why the vacous and ill defined theme of "Change" and "Hope" has resonated so effectively- people have no idea what it means, they simply parrot it because they think it means opposing whatever unsubstantiated nonsense they have been screaming about.

We are imposing structure and sanity in opposition to a raving mob that no concept of these ideas. They are organized through chaos. We are fighting in the style of Red Coats against a chaotic band who are engaged in Guerilla Warefare.

We know how well that strategy has worked out throughout history. The people we oppose are not confined by rules, etiqute, structure or organization. They are true, grassroots "organization" who know little but shout consistently and loudly. They seek "Change" regardless of what that means because they fight from despiration and not reason.

You can't talk sense to a mob, but they are easily rallied by feeding their delusions and emotion. That is what Obama has done. Hitler did the same in his time when he came to power by feeding the discontent and emotion, then directing it at a scapegoat. Tactics like these turn good, thinking people into mindless beasts who are bent on revenge.

We made the mistake in WWII of waiting for a rallying point and the banner of leadership... and it nearly cost us the world. We did not win through light and reason, we won by exploiting the enemy and using brute force to crush insanity.

The same must happen now.

Posted by: Damiano at September 29, 2008 01:24 PM (cfKer)

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Thanks for the limited support, Obvious, and I have full respect for your argument.

Let's assume that I am wrong on my conclusions.

What remains is that we still have misguided action vs. complacency.

Until we, individually and as a group, actively counter our opposition (Dems, MSM, etc.) in equal or greater measure than our opponents, we will lose; regardless of the effectiveness (or not) of our leadership.

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First, let me say that I agree with most of what you have posted I am simply asking the questions to stimulate what I think is a very important conversation for the conservative movement.

What leadership has the other side shown? Who is it that have galvanized their actions?

The answer is no one. They have been successful in their own way out of nothing but sheer ignorance. Rather than wait for a call to action, they have instead run out of their doors, screaming their ignorant heads off until they could no longer be ignored. 

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Yes there is not a one person I can point to as the leader galvanizing the left, but there seems to be a unity and a well developed set of strategies and tactics used by the enemy. I believe conservatism needs something similar, I just don't know how it will happen. I agree that it has to be a grassroots effort and perhaps all we can do is each of us take care of of their little corner.  


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