1 Good move.  Puts Obama in a box.  I think this works well.

2 Stop beating the shit out of me with my own words and the deeds of my bankrupt party, it's disrespectful to my flag pin!

3 McCain is a genius.

4 From Reuters homepage:

McCain says will suspend campaign to return to Washingon Thursday to help with bailout negotiations, asks that Friday debate with Obama be postponed so bailout negotiations can continue  2:51pm EDT

5 What? Does he mean ALL campaigning? Astroturfing too?

6 Balls.

No political message there. I just like balls.

7 McCain: still all up in Obama's OODA grill.

Well played, sir.

8 I just heard Rush mention this at the end of the show and said, "Oh, Lord"

9

WAIT WHUT

Link?  A press release or video or something? 

Is he trying to do this so that he, Obambi, and Biden will all go back (or in some cases, start) to work in the Senate?  Thereby forcing the Senate to actually do something for once in the last two years?  That would be ballsy... I like it. 

10 McCain is on right now talking about this.  He looks like he took a shot to his left eye.

11 Wow.  Cool.

12 I think Obama should dispatch his ace, Biden, to deal with this crisis.
Presidents are above just running around you know.
He needs to review the proofs for his commemorative Presidential coins.

13 Smooth move.

14 LOL at Presidential coins.

15 Team Obama is probably saying "WTF!".

16 I don't know whether this is a good move or not.  Maybe just moving the debate location to a nearby locale would have been enough,  Obama's just going to vote present anyway.

17 I just saw the McCain announcement. It looks like it may be a pretty good move.

18 Looks panicky, bad move.  Seriously, what the hell is McCain, Biden or Obama going to add to these negotiations.  Nothing is what.

19 I was uh really uh looking forward uh to the uh the uh debate.

20 pure genius

21

Protein Wisdom reports: 

As I noted in an update last evening would almost certainly be the case, the media today is pushing the story that the firm owned by McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis, lobbied for Freddie and Fannie Mac — all while continuing to ignore exploring, at any length, Sen Barack Obama’s actual ties to those closely related to the current economic meltdown. Not only that, but the Davis-as-tied-to-crisis story is disputed by the McCain campaign — which alleges that the NYT has reported in bad faith, and that public records back up the campaign’s claims that Mr Davis cut ties to his firm in 2006, and that he never lobbied Freddie or Fannie Mac (and in fact, hasn’t been a registered lobbyist since 2005).

All of which, I suppose, is not surprising; after all, the media seems to think that the Sen from Illinois is running against everyone but Senator McCain, from the Gov. of Alaska to a campaign manager, and so their function has been to try to dirty them and hope that as the stories accrue, the public is left with a certain impression crafted by their reporting, while the facts that undercut this impression will ultimately only be “corrected” in the back pages of the paper, if at all.

http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=13309

 

By the way check this out:  http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/24/new-mccain-ad-the-coal-miner/    (it is awesome)

22 Fox news, Obama called McCain first this morning.

23 Me likey. Plus Palin gets center stage on the campaign trail.

Mac should give the press tons of access, take any and all questions. Let's watch Barry try to do the same and crumble.

24

McCain announced his decision shortly after the White House said President Bush will deliver an address to the nation Wednesday night. McCain called on Bush to convene a meeting of congressional leadership, in both chambers and parties, including him and Obama.

“It is time for both parties to come together to solve this problem,” he said.

You want bipartisanship? I've been in the senate since before electricity. I invented the Congressional reach around. Top that Master Communicator.

25 Hannity just said Obama's team said "We're not suspending, the debate is on"

26 UPDATE:
OBAMA SPOKESMAN BILL BURTON IS CLAIMING THAT IT WAS OBAMA'S IDEA TO SUSPEND CAMPAIGN FIRST.....

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
WHAAAAAAAAA
rookie

27 Mac is also springing for the pizza and chinese food.

Barry is bringing salad.

28

"When the Iranian hostages were taken, Donal, er, Ronald Reagan got onto his blog to reassure morons."

 

29 Is this connected to Bill Clinton not campaigning for d'Oh-bama until after the Jewish Holidays?

30 Obama source "no reason to cancel the debate or suspend campaign"  not a good move...Whats he gonna do, debate himself?

31 I think Obama is trying to say he thought of it first......uh huh, and he does't afroturf either.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/24/mccain-suspends-campaign-to-help-with-bailout/

32

a host of morons

I believe the proper word is gaggle.  A gaggle of morons.

33

This has to be a first- ace beat one of his co-bloggers in posting a story.

I'm hoping McCain comes out against the bailout- even if the feds do have a role in fixing something they helped break, $700 million (plus however many  tens of millions get tacked on as earmarks) is too much.  Whatever role the government played, they're not the ones who approved the subprime loans.

34

Shit, Tom, er Frito said something that made sense, or is he just thinking like a cocksucker?

6 Balls.

He's right this is ballsy.  I fear "The One" will say McCain wants the debates postponed because he is afraid of "The One" and his magical dancing powers.

Kemp

35 Obama source "no reason to cancel the debate or suspend campaign"  not a good move...Whats he gonna do, debate himself?

Good one, Bambi.  Way to show leadership.

36 Good strategy. He can put Palin on the campaign trail while he works in Washington. She's more popular than he is, anyway.

37 Man's got a job to do.  I'm not surprised to see your liberal commenters mock McCain for going to work in a time of crisis.  Much easier to sit in a tree and throw shit at anyone actually trying to do something.  Let Hussein continue campaigning.  It's the only qualification he claims to be elected POTUS.  Even if he did show up, I'm sure The One would only vote "present" again, anyway.

38 OBAMA SPOKESMAN BILL BURTON IS CLAIMING THAT IT WAS OBAMA'S IDEA TO SUSPEND CAMPAIGN FIRST.....

Obama's never shown much interest in fulfilling his role as Senator, why would he start now?

McCain better come out strong on this, since Harry Reid is essentially throwing it into his lap, he needs to pick it up and beat some ass with it.

39 Send Palin to debate on Fri instead.  Or better yet, Have Barak Hussein debate his teleprompter.

40

700 billion

41 Send Palin to debate on Fri instead.

Exceptional idea

42 I think it is a good move as it may have been McCain's last chance to get in front of the economy issue.  Also, it can be claimed that this is standard operating procedure for him not a one off stunt.

43 Maybe Obama could debate Palin.

Heh.

44 McCain should send in Romney as his stand in at the debate.  Given McCain's penchant for slightly self-destructive behaviors, it'd be more likely he'd send in Ron Paul. 

45 Will McMav vote "present?" 

46 It fits in with his 'Country First' slogan pretty well.

Meanwhile, Bambi is out there talking about how great he is.

47 and fox has this from pussy boy

"Obama’s campaign issued a statement suggesting that the idea to work together was theirs."

uh huh.

48 Now Obama people say they will work with McCain to delay debate...

McCain 2 
Obama 0

49

I have no clue if this is good or bad move for McCain.

Either way he does have balls of steel.

I assume Team Obama will take a poll first.

50

a host of morons

I believe the proper word is gaggle.  A gaggle of morons.

So it would be a murder of hobos, right?

51 Walking change vs talking change

52 JackStraw, I agree, it's a "gaggle of morons", not be confused with a "google of Ron Paul devotees".

53 Once again, McCain changes the news cycle just a Barry was gaining some traction.  It gets McCain out in front of the bailout story, and positions him as a bipartisan and a statesman.

Even better, it's put Barry in a double bind.  If he agrees with McCain, it proves McCain is a leader and Barry is a follower.  If he disagrees, it proves that Barry is more concerned about politics than a national emergency.

This is why there's now this sad, desperate attempt to lie about it being Obambi's idea.

54 suggest the pussy campaign is lying yet again because the Mav out flanked him

“I have spoken to Senator Obama and informed him of my decision and have asked him to join me,” McCain planned to say in New York City, according to advance excerpts released by his campaign. “I am calling on the president to convene a meeting with the leadership from both houses of Congress, including Senator Obama and myself. It is time for both parties to come together to solve this problem.”

However a senior Obama campaign official said Obama “intends to debate. The debate is on.”…

Obama is willing to return to Washington “if it would be helpful.” But Obama intends to debate on Friday, an official said.

yahooBuzzArticleCategory = 'politics'; yahooBuzzArticleHeadline = 'Breaking: McCain suspends campaign to deal with economy, calls for debate to be postponed; '; http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/24/breaking-mccain-suspends-campaign-to-deal-with-economy-calls-for-debate-to-be-postponed/Buzz up!

55 By moving this back to the Senate and away from the non-stop campaign rhetoric, hopefully it will force the country to recognize the real (i.e: Democrat) causes of the mortgage debacle.

Hopefully.

56

Oh I hope McCain suggests Palin debates Barry HO.

That'd take Adamantium balls. Nay, Dick Cheney balls.

57

Hmmm, major news sites all currently reporting that McCain is the one doing it not Obama. 

Team Obama is probably too late to claim credit of 'First!' even if they want to.

 

58 I thought we had agreed on A Short Bus of Morons

59

From the Corner:

"If Obama insists on a Friday debate, he should debate Biden. They can
talk about coal, gun control, the vote on the Iraq war, inappropriate
political ads, etc."

60 I think this is a brilliant move. While Obama hoped to spend the better part of the next three days in "debate camp," with only limited and local (Florida) campaign events, now he must respond to McCain's challenge as to which is more important: learning how to appear presidential in a debate (staying well away from the battle lines) or acting presidential by leading from the front.

61

It's like calling a time out before a field goal to get in the kickers head.

Or something...

Townhall.com blog has rumor that Mav is voting "No" on bailout.

62 At first, I thought McCain was asking the professor for an extension on his thesis (Lord knows I had about 23 'funerals' to attend when I was in college)....but an ace-load of morons convinced me of the wisdom of this maneuver.  Beats workin! 

63

McCain has taken another bold risky move that will either win him the election or have him lose in a landslide.

I may disagree with a lot of his policies, but G-d love him he's the only candidate with enough balls to do this.

64

"Cluster of Morons" mebbe...

"Clump of Morons"

65 Once more McCain demonstrates "Country First".

66 Obama can talk by himself all he wants, and if so inclined he can dig his way to the earth's molten core.

67

So it would be a murder of hobos, right?

BAM!

68

This will cost McCain the election.  The lies, the smears, the astroturfing will continue, whether Obama elects to show his face in Washinton for some photo-ops or not.  The election will still be held on Nov 4, and now McCain is choosing to handicap himself? 

69 hey Tsk9 - how did you get the Buzz Up in your post?

70 September 24, 2008 3:04 PM

An Obama campaign official told ABC News the Democratic presidential candidate called McCain this morning to suggest a joint statement of principles.

McCain called back this afternoon and suggested returning to Washington.

Obama is willing to return to Washington "if it would be helpful." But reiterated Obama intends to debate on Friday.

71

Hmmm....

I'm hoping this doesn't end up like Carter saying he was too busy trying to get the hostages back to campaign vigorously.

Still, it does show the vast difference between McCain and Obama.  Couple this with the McCain "congrats" ad run during the DNC and Obama keeps looking like a creep.

72 blog rot

I have no idea - I noticed that too and thought it might be automatic and hadn't noticed it before.

73 "We're not suspending, the debate is on"

SEND PALIN IN HIS PLACE!

74 Fox is saying that Obama called McCain to come out with a joint statment. That is different than what McCain us asking for. This is simple. McCain can just say "I don't care if Obama wants to take credit for who called who first, this is about a crisis we need to attend to and that's all I care about."

75 Obama can't dictate if the debate is on or not. It takes two and if McCain is doing the business of this nation then I think he wins the PR game there.

76

No bailout of the company until these companies are declared to be illegal racketeering syndicates.

Every employee of the company should be arrested and lodged in comfortable but secure holding pens until it shakes out who took what amount and how. Speedy triage-trials to follow. Low-level peons get out first, with mild fines, scolding, etc. Then move the remainder to county jail.

While the real trials go on, then we can talk about reorganising the companies and "bailouts".

Oh, and since Obama took their money, Obama gets arrested too.

77

This will cost McCain the election.  The lies, the smears, the astroturfing will continue, whether Obama elects to show his face in Washinton for some photo-ops or not.  The election will still be held on Nov 4, and now McCain is choosing to handicap himself? 

 

Have to agree. We are very fucked now. Oh well.

78

An Obama campaign official told ABC News the Democratic presidential candidate called McCain this morning to suggest a joint statement of principles.

What the FLYING FUCK does that mean?  Obama's dolts are the shallowest sack of weasels since for fucking ever.  Is this a presidential campaign or a high school student council election?  AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

79 Rightwing

Yep, he was outflanked.


"An Obama campaign official told ABC News the Democratic presidential candidate called McCain this morning to suggest a joint statement of principles.

McCain called back this afternoon and suggested returning to Washington.

Obama is willing to return to Washington "if it would be helpful." But reiterated Obama intends to debate on Friday."

80 Anyone feel like dipping their balls in anything?

81

This will cost McCain the election. 

waaaaaay too soon to predict the outcome from this 'suspension', and plenty of time left before Nov 4th.

This is just the half-time intermission.

82 What would be the point in Obama returning to "do his job" as a senator? He'd probably just vote present and feel (somehow) superior for it.

His presence is hardly necessary and if he's got the tiniest bit of gray matter in his skull, he knows it.

83 Or maybe, frito--he's doing what he thinks is right.  Cynical asshole.

84 Ahh, weren't there about 23 debates during the primaries?  When I was growing up, there were only 1 or 2 debates per election...I'm just thinking that we'll get enough cocky Baracky in one debate. 

85

Youth and beauty will be trumped by old age and treachery every time.

Brilliant move by McCain.  The beauty part is for critics who will say that this is McCain's way of dealing with declining poll numbers need only look at his history - he's always been this way.  He's stuck his finger in Repub eyes many times in this manner.  If Barry/Axelrod starts whining that it was their idea first and that they should still debate....well it will look a little unpresidential.

86 I just farted.

87 Obama is willing to return to Washington "if it would be helpful."

Sounds like Barry's admitting he's pretty much an empty suit rather than a leader, doesn't it?

88 I have a sneaky suspicion on what the McCain camp is up too here - might be overly optimistic on my part, but if true would be brilliant.

89 And I might add, McCain could point to the fact that teh Communitizer refused to do Town Hall meetings...in American communities. 

90 "The lies, the smears, the astroturfing will continue, whether Obama elects to show his face in Washinton for some photo-ops or not.  The election will still be held on Nov 4, and now McCain is choosing to handicap himself?"

If Obama continues campaigning, McCain's campaign will answer all attacks, I'm  sure.  This is a set-up by McCain to make Barry look bad, a double-bind as was mentioned.

This is Georgia redux.  Watch him come around to McCain's position within a day.

91

I dunno.

McCain can come out as a hero if he goes there and say that this was a mess that the dems made, but we all have to clean up. The best way is to stand back and NOT give Wall St. Fat Dem Cats $700 billion.

92

I don't think this even stops the bad poll news and Palin bleeding for tonight's news cycle.

And I think you need to lay off the WaPo crack pipe, dude.

93 Balls balls balls
Balsy balls balls
I love balls
Down in my belly
Mmm, mmm balls

94

<i>Obama is willing to return to Washington "if it would be helpful</i>

This is so typical of Obama, it says both things. 

McCain won his nomination over great odds because he knows what he is doing. 

No worries. 

95 The buzz up is part of the link you included tsk9.

I believe the proper word is gaggle.  A gaggle of morons.

I thought it was a ward of morons.

96 The good thing is Palin can still campaign. Heh.

Obama wants to still debate ... with himself ... because he loves the sounds of his own voice. What a dipstick.

97 And I think you need to lay off the WaPo crack pipe, dude.

Circa, he's an empty troll.  Ignore it, and the TBs will kill his fun.

98

This is just the half-time intermission.

 

Nice analogy.  Let me add to that.  It's half time intermission, and McCain has left the field.  Obama has'nt.

 

Game over:  Obama >270

99 Do share, Topsecret

100 Man, you fucking whiners who are saying the election is over need to butch up you bunch of Nancy boys. Jesus Titty Fucking Christ grow a pair of balls and lose your Allahitis. There is still a long way to go in the campaign.

Fucking pussies.

101 They can't have a debate if McLame doesn't show up, can they?

102 Suck my balls, David Ross.

103

Obama is willing to return to Washington "if it would be helpful." But reiterated Obama intends to debate on Friday."

Obama just lost the election.  Mark it on your calendars. 

104

Congratulations, McCain, you DUMB FUCKING FUCK!

America doesn't understand "credit derivative".  They DO understand, however, "CANCEL THE DEBATE".

You fucking asshole.

You NEVER, and I want to emphasise NEVER cancel, postpone or walk away from a debate.

NEVER!

Good God, you just gave Obama your strongest selling point- guts.

I can just see it now.  "If McCain can't stand up to Obama, how can he stand up to X???"

Jesus H. Christ.  You fucking idiot.

105

"Cluster of Morons" mebbe...

Close, but it's actually a clusterfuck of morons.

106 What Obama wants to do is avoid any sembalnce of accountability here.  PRESENT!  Indeed.

107

I voted to suspend before I voted not to suspend.  But whatever I voted to do, I did it before McCain did.

-Barry Obamuh

108 Also, this

"An Obama campaign official told ABC News the Democratic presidential candidate called McCain this morning to suggest a joint statement of principles.

McCain called back this afternoon and suggested returning to Washington.

Is beautiful, beautiful payback for this:

February 6, 2006

The Honorable Barack Obama
United States Senate
SH-713
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator Obama:
I would like to apologize to you for assuming that your private assurances to me regarding your desire to cooperate in our efforts to negotiate bipartisan lobbying reform legislation were sincere. When you approached me and insisted that despite your leadership’s preference to use the issue to gain a political advantage in the 2006 elections, you were personally committed to achieving a result that would reflect credit on the entire Senate and offer the country a better example of political leadership, I concluded your professed concern for the institution and the public interest was genuine and admirable. Thank you for disabusing me of such notions with your letter to me dated February 2, 2006, which explained your decision to withdraw from our bipartisan discussions. I’m embarrassed to admit that after all these years in politics I failed to interpret your previous assurances as typical rhetorical gloss routinely used in politics to make self-interested partisan posturing appear more noble. Again, sorry for the confusion, but please be assured I won’t make the same mistake again....

...As I noted, I initially believed you shared that goal. But I understand how important the opportunity to lead your party’s effort to exploit this issue must seem to a freshman Senator, and I hold no hard feelings over your earlier disingenuousness. Again, I have been around long enough to appreciate that in politics the public interest isn’t always a priority for every one of us. Good luck to you, Senator.

Sincerely,

John McCain
United States Senate

109

The more I think about this the more it looks like a winner. 

The MSM will HAVE to cover it, and it shows balls, american's love that. It wipes The One off the screen, and he's back on defense.

Also McC goes back and demands action, the Dims tell him to get fucked, who takes the heat for the melt down now?  The Dims.

McC goes back and a bill is passed, who gets the credit? McC.

Win Win?  Karl, God Bless you and your love child Steve.

Kemp

 

 

110 Sombody please call the waaambulance for dogstar.

111  Bleeding? Hardly. McCain Advances in Swing States.

112 Mac's next move should be to immediately point out Obama's proclivity for self-promotion over service, and then tell O to go eff himself, he'll crush that preening little coward in a debate when he's damn good and ready to.

In related new, I'd really like to have sex with Sarah Palin.

113 There is an OBE precedent when the Republican convention was abbreviated due to the hurricane.  I don't think most folks have any preconception that McCain is a pussy or that he doesn't relish a debate.    

114

More important:  $700 billion or a debate?

Think about it people.

115 Dogstar - I disagree, I believe that after Bush gives his once in a century remakes tonight, that this will be a different attitude for a few days.  Plus this can be a reiteration of his reforms proposed a few years ago.  It's not like the news was going to lead with him talking to a rally in Idaho on Friday. 

Besides, McCain has already offered his townhall a week until the election offer which Obama refused. 

116

It's half time intermission, and McCain has left the field but will return to play the remaining half while Obama is still on the field waiting for his teleprompter to be shipped back to Congress.

 Let me add to that.  No, you should stop, really, you're just making yourself look more foolish.

117 Dogstar: that's a willfully obtuse way of putting it.

"America doesn't understand "credit derivative".  They DO understand, however, "CANCEL THE DEBATE"."

America understands "financial meltdown."  America thinks "what are these gasbags doing about it?"  McCain seizes the initiative.  Obama stands there hemming and hawing.

118

The American people are pissed and senate phones are ringing off the hook.   McCain suspending and going to DC is the right move. I believe that people want to see our elected officials actually doing something versus on the campaign stump blathering on about it. 

Also, this will strongly affect whoever is elected in the next administration and their policies.  A good McCain comeback to his critics on this suspension "Attending to business by working on the behalf of the American people during this financial crisis is far more important to me than a political debate that can take place later.  Our future is at stake."

119 Holy shit, you cynical pessimistic fucks who think this is a bad idea. 

You worried about polls?  Go fuck yourselves.  I'm worried about the future of my country and I'm glad and fucking hell that McCain at least appears to be the one more worried about it's future of the 2 candidates.  Additionally, he just called Bambi out and exposed the self-centered douche he is.

30,000 - 60,000 in the Villages for Palin... FOR A VP.  Get your heads out of your asses. 

120 As much as I fucking hate Bambi... I'm not sure this is a cool move...

121 McCain should go ahead with the debate Friday, BUT SEND SARAH PALIN IN HIS PLACE.

122 Commentor at Hotair

If Obama still wants the debate, McCain should accept. Then Johnny Mac arrives late, sleeves rolled up, no suit jacket, looking like the working guy, just getting off from a decent day’s work. The he sits down and asks the moderator; “OK, whadya got?”

The message is: I don’t need any preparation to debate the empty suit. Let’s get this done, I’ve gotta get back to work.

PC14 on September 24, 2008 at 3:18 PM

I like it.

123

If he sends out Palin in his place (I have no idea if that's plausible), and she appears calm, cool, collected, and competent, then this thing's in the bag. 

We can offer for McCain to debate Biden the next time round.

124 Okay, pessimists, look at it this way:

McCain has stopped his car on the highway to render aid to the injured in a car accident.

Barry will be seen as streaking by at 70 mph, doing his makeup in the rearview mirror.

125

Good move by McCain.  Break the rookie's concentration, focus, and eat his practice time ahead of the debates.  If Obama does not bite on the debate delay; just show up 10min late- Sorry, I had work to do ...

Then go to Washington and kill the bail-out package. 

 

126

McCain is beginning to remind me of Bill Clinton.  Bear with me.

Say what you will about the guy, but Clinton was a masterful genius when it came to politics.  More than once I remember watching him and thinking to myself, "Shit, that guy's good - I wish he was on my side."

McCain, for all his many faults, is completely fucking with Obama, constantly changing the dynamics to his advantage.  He has knocked Obama off of his game repeatedly, and has clearly done so again here.

Sadly, I'm now thinking, "Shit, that guy's good - I wish he was on my side."

127

Obama says the debate's on.  What's McCain going to do now, say "I'm not showing up?"  Or does McCain want to reschedule for 3 am Monday morning?   Or against the first game of the World Series?

Does not look good.  There's always time for democacy, and campaigns are a part of that. 

128

It's the smart move.  Tessio was always smarter...

Honestly, though, I like it.  Bout time he started bobbin' and weavin' again.  I like the idea of offering Palin to debate instead!  But the chance to reiterate the town hall debate challenge is good, too.

129 For McCain to win he has to get out ahead on this issue. This is a good start.

How does the Messiah respond to this without looking like a dumb f*ck?

130 Barry is back on defense. McCain swiped the ball from him.

Be on the lookout for MSM spin words like "distracting", "reckless", "calculated", "egotistical".

Also, expect Palin to turn it up to eleven.

131

Obama is willing to return to Washington "if it would be helpful."

To this McCain should reply: 

"Actually Senator, it would not be helpful.  Please stay at debate camp and soak up as much foreign policy knowledge as you can - you'll need it when I have time to get around to you"

132

Nice analogy.  Let me add to that.  It's half time intermission, and McCain has left the field.  Obama has'nt.

In this case it would be better to use a boxing analogy:  McCain just left the ring on the shoulders of the adoring fans while Obamuh is laying unconscious on the canvas with an orbital fracture and 5 missing teeth.

133 For all those who are claiming refusing/canceling debates will

guarantee a lost election for McCain; remember Obama did the exact same thing with Clinton in much worse circumstances.

 

Eh, we shall see what happens.  Again, it does change everything.

 

 

Hmmm, this is another one of those twists and turns that Ace predicted.

 

 

I do believe Team McCain is reacting better now than Team Obama.

 

Yay Team.  Much easier to pound home in my conversations "McCain ballsy leader, Obama wishy-washy whiner."

134

McCain should rush back to DC, take part in the Festival Of Sausage Making that will result in whatever Rescue The Dishonest Democrat Political Hacks Who Destroyed The Economy Bill of 2008 that ends up being passed, then rush back to wherever the debate is scheduled to occur and roll in without having spent a minute "studying" and kick The One's ass in the debate.  He should stroll onto the stage with his coat off and his sleeves rolled up, walk up to his podium while rolling down his sleeves and putting his coat back on, and say:  "Senator Obama insisted that we go ahead with this debate tonight, so after saving the ecomony from certain, complete, and utter ruin, I decided to indulge him."

Fuck Obama.

Also, Balls.

135

Obama says the debate's on.  What's McCain going to do now, say "I'm not showing up?"  Or does McCain want to reschedule for 3 am Monday morning?   Or against the first game of the World Series?

Does not look good.  There's always time for democacy, and campaigns are a part of that. 

Posted by: galoob at September 24, 2008 04:02 PM (GFaLW)

Simple, he shows up and debates.  The news cycle that day will be about how Obama has been preping for the debate while McCain's been working day and night.  All this does is lower the bar even more for McCain.  Foriegn Policy is something that he can do in his sleep.  I really don't see the down side.

136 Look. Read McCain letter to Obama in '06 -- Posted by: Topsecretk9 at September 24, 2008 03:50 PM (uCgHM)


I would like to apologize to you for assuming that your private assurances to me regarding your desire to cooperate in our efforts to negotiate bipartisan lobbying reform legislation were sincere. When you approached me and insisted that despite your leadership’s preference to use the issue to gain a political advantage in the 2006 elections, y.....Again, sorry for the confusion, but please be assured I won’t make the same mistake again....

So here we are in "08 pres election and?

"An Obama campaign official told ABC News the Democratic presidential candidate called McCain this morning to suggest a joint statement of principles.

McCain called back this afternoon and suggested returning to Washington.....(Again, sorry for the confusion, but please be assured I won’t make the same mistake again....)


I.E. I'll see your "joint statement of principles" fucker and raise you some actual action, you empty teleprompter suit.

137 "I'd rather lose an election than lose a war"

 I think this is a representation of that philosophy. McCain is going to focus the nations attention back on the capital where it should be at a time of great economical distress, and, whilst I believe McCain is doing it for the right reasons, I suspect we will see a bump in his poll numbers as people see him rejecting partisanship and instead see him for the patriot he is.

 

138 It's a risky fighter pilot move.  He's setting Obama up for his wingman to get. And with McCain and Obama in DC who is going to be out front?  Why Palin and Biden!

What the fuck are the MSM cocksuckers going to do when they have to report on a daily basis that Palin is pulling in tens of thousands at _every political appearance_?

139 "Does not look good.  There's always time for democacy, and campaigns are a part of that. "

For pansy chattering classes.

I'd say it works well for Palinamericans.

People want someone to step up and lead in times of crisis.

This is McCain at his best -- a bold move a la "I'd rather lose an election than a war" while everyone was doing the Iraq withdrawal hem-n-haw.

140

A Shortbus of Morons

An infection of Kostards

A scrotal rash of Huffposters

A whine of Liberals.

A septic tank of MSM journalists.

141 This is one strange election.

Maybe Bush will declare martial law and appoint Palin President for life.

I could learn to live with that.

142 "Suspend", as in "to hang from"?

How much more evidence do you need that McCain hates black people???

143

McCain is a superb at tactician.  Another great move.  There are the obvious reasons--along the line he looks like a leader, like a president, and that he's stealing the headlines again--and there is the not-so-obvious strategic reason which is perhaps even more important.  And I won't air that out here.  

Strategy is also one of McCain's strong suits.

144 Great move by Senator McCain, "I have a job to do, so, I must pause this campaign."
Bad move by Senator Obama, "I have a campaign to run, so, I can not be bothered by my job."

Bonus for McCain, Governor Palin can continue to campaign,
and if required, she could debate Obama on foreign policy, if McCain is still doing his duty in DC.

Prediction: A nice photo op with McCain, Obama, and Biden on the Senate floor.

145 A buttloaf of morons.

146 oh, and for those of you who think Mac not participating in the 'scheduled time' of the debate will be a bad thing?

You are out of your head. The average non-political junky is

A- only looking to the debate because they are supposed to not because the LOVE debates

B- would prefer any candidate suspend a windbag session in lieu of actually doing their job to work on this crisis vs. talking about working

C- want a solution to the crisis vs. a Friday night debate

147 McCain and Obama's jobs are not running for President. They are cocksucking US Senators and they both need to get their asses in Washington and do the jobs they were elected to do.

148

Obama take it in the shorts on this one.  Not a game changer, more like a three pointer that stops the other teams run.

Option A: "Hey, I thought of it fiiiiiirst"

to which the reply is, "who cares?  All that matters is ACTION, not talk"

Option B: "He's afraid to debate me"

to which the reply is, "OK, how do weekly town hall debates until the election sound?"

Option C: "I'll see you in Washington"

which is the best of the bad choices, but still makes him look like a ditherer and a follower.  It could set the stage for the most widely watched session of the Senate since impeachment.

Also, while we are on collective nouns, remember, it is a "glenn" of sock puppets.

http://wuzzadem.typepad.com/wuz/2006/07/greenpuppet.html

 

149

BRASS BALLS!!!

I don't agree with a lot of his positions, but watching him this campaign is like watching a young Bret Farve just out there gun slinging away (Palin, suspending campaign) not connecting every time (immigration, firing the head of the SEC) but still not giving a shit what is being said about him. He's behind in the third quarter and he's launching a BOMB up the sideline as the BIG O is frozen by a crazy juke move that just has him looking at his coach (Axelrod) asking WTF!!! Lol

Say what you want about him, but he is just like everybody’s crazy old uncle who as seen and did it all and does not give a flying fuck what anybody thinks.

BRASS BALLS YA GOTTA LUV IT!

 

150

McCain is freakin' brilliant! This is perfect...I think they should let the VP candidates debate. Palin is ready. Then McCain & Owannabe can debate next week in the VP soltted time. Viola'!

 

 

151

700 billion

Yeah, that's what I said.  700 million thousand dollar bills.  Or something.

152

#119

 

I don't give a rats ass about polls.  As far as I was concerned, McCain was going to win this....and I've enjoyed countless hours regaling my liberal associates with instances where Obambi was fucking up.  But this....the NY times is not going on holiday, CNN is not going to suddenly realize that deep down, they love McCain, (no gay), Olberwoman's Worst Person award is not going to Obama...not now, not ever. 

Nancy Pelosi, (who has more aggressive tread on her neck, than I do on my tires), will spend each and every day claiming that this is a republican mess, a sentiment the media will be more than happy to repeat, while adding that McCain is just trying to clean up HIS mess, in order to keep his WH dreams alive.  This will be spun in Obama's favor...and McCain will not be around to answer. 

153 Hey, if blowbama want's to debate, let Sarahcudda bite his balls off!

154 I don't think there's any way Obama would debate Palin, but one can always dream.

155 152

- The key to this is that McCain will be back on the road on Saturday at the latest.  This is not a week delay only two days, maybe three at the most.  If it goes longer than that, then you are correct.  Shorter than that, lo and behold, McCain showed up kicked butt and got a bill passed to solve a crisis.

LEADER = Winner

156 So, McCain's suspension of campaigning and return to the Senate to fix the problem is the indication that, once he has the floor of the Senate, will publicly remind the Senate (FOR THE RECORD, AGAIN), that sometime back in 2005 or so, he recommended more oversight for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and also sponsored S190, right?

157

MORE POPCORN PLEASE!!

"The One" has a weenie up his ass and doesn't even know it yet.

Speaking of Weenies, has anyone looked over in nut land to see what the Kos Kids are saying?

If they're pissed it's a good sign they know they are fucked.

Kemp

158 Posse of Morons has a western/hood ring to it.

159

After Yom Kippur, Bill Clinton will come around to McCain.  There's something about the Hebrew Festival of Sand that makes a man find inner truth. 

Suspending the campaign also allows them to relax, recharge, and retool for the end of the campaign.  I know that the campaign staff will continue working, but at least they won't have to answer phones -- kind of like coming into the office on the weekend.  Not like Obama's lead is insurmountable. 

160

Hmmm, Althouse thinks McCain's move is "This is, I think, a smart demonstration of leadership."

I think Team Obama is making a mistake insisting on the debate.

He is running away from having to make another decision.

In other words, Obama is voting 'Present' yet again on the latest emergency.

 

161 So, McCain's suspension of campaigning and return to the Senate to fix the problem is the indication that, once he has the floor of the Senate, will publicly remind the Senate (FOR THE RECORD, AGAIN), that sometime back in 2005 or so, he recommended more oversight for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and also sponsored S190, right?

Bingo-- McCain gets to stop campaigning and still make a campaign speech that corrects the record on an issue which has been causing him to lag in the race, AND point out to everyone that if they'd listened to him, they could have averted the crisis in the first place.

162 MAV's got something up his sleeve....

HA headline:

Palin: We need a bailout, although we might not need this bailout

163 Of course it makes sense for McCain to suspend campaigning and for Obama to continue.  McCain has been in the Senate for over 20 years. Obama has been in the Senate for three.  Obama knows his insight and wisdom and strong financial knowledge won't be missed, since he has none.  It's not hurting anything by him not being there, in other words, because he can't really contribute anything, and he recognizes that.

164 In other words, Obama is voting 'Present' yet again on the latest emergency.

Or WITH Bush. Ha, the fuck, HA!

165 McCain needs to issue a statement pointing out to The Chosen One that one of the two of them is going to be left to clean up this stinking mess so they damn well better be a part of the solution.

166 This is really eating into Obama's "study" time.  :-)  The debate will go on.

167 Posted by: DelD at September 24, 2008 03:25 PM (uAHWZ)

You hit the nail on the head.  Superb move by McCain.  He keeps these fuckers off balance.  This is the guy I want going head to head with Putin and Ahmadinejad.

The MSM are trying as hard as Obama's campaign team (yes, I know that's redundant) to spin this in Obama's favor.  I just saw this headline on MSNBC:  "McCain tries to delay debate." 

Cuz he's a scared little fucking pussy, right?  How the hell these bastards have any credibility left at all - well, it just proves the PT Barnum principle.

168 McCain canceled his appearance on Letterman. WTF is he doing appearing on Letterman?  Jeesh!

169 Posted by: Alice H at September 24, 2008 04:23 PM (jRtPb)

Exactly.

170

McCain is taking his ads down.  The guy's got more balls than even Frito could handle.

171

In other words, Obama is voting 'Present' yet again on the latest emergency.

worse, he's voting "Not Present"

172

Everything's ok. George will set us straight tonight in his address. Oh fuck me.

 

173

- The key to this is that McCain will be back on the road on Saturday at the latest.  This is not a week delay only two days, maybe three at the most.  If it goes longer than that, then you are correct.  Shorter than that, lo and behold, McCain showed up kicked butt and got a bill passed to solve a crisis.

LEADER = Winner

 

There's only one tiny, tiny flaw with this.....Congress is controlled by Dems, who will assuredly not be greasing the wheels for McCain in Washington. 

174 This will cost McCain the election.

175 And once again the market ends down in the crapper. Fuck you very very much.  They're going to do the bailout, so fucking do it already.  Or, is this going to be like drilling? Are we going to talk about it until it is too late?

176

Obama so stupid, he voted present so many times because he thought if he did he would get one.

Ba Doom Boom

I'll be here 'til Thursday.  Try the veal.

177 Not to freak you guys out or anything but I think I just got a gerbil, a harmonica and a set of jumper cables stuck up my ass.

A little help here?

178 There's only one tiny, tiny flaw with this.....Congress is controlled by Dems, who will assuredly not be greasing the wheels for McCain in Washington.

Posted by: Steve

Indeed. Let them. Shine a bright light on it. The Public will be watching.

179

heh.  Win or lose I am glad I am on Team McCain's side.  More fun for this Happy Moron.  Ozombies can have their wishy-washy hopy-change man.

Another point:  this move will take drown any discussion of the slide in the polls.  And if (tinfoil hat) one or two of those polls were bad or cooked to shape the narrative, why that effort has just been blown out of the water.

Along with any astroturfing attempts to spread the poll news!

(Waves at the Ozombie observers.)

180 Steve - But as they have shown, Dems' want to get out of town and they are scheduled to do so on Friday.  Also Reid has been begging for some reason to put this on McCain's head.  I think that coming up with a plan that he can get the Republican's to agree to will be more critical than the Dem's on this one issue.

As I said with my timeline, it is dependent on getting a deal done quickly, and I hope McCain really understands that.  In fact, I really hope Rommney has something ready to float before Bush's address tonight.

There is risk in this move, but it could be a masterstroke if he has the IOU's in congress to pull it off.  Bonus, maybe he will burn them all up(IOU's) tonight and won't have any left to push a CPS through after January.

181 Sigh.

OK, which comment broke the blog? I tried to find it but for some reason can't.

tinyurl.com, people, please!

182 Post 54 needs cleanup, Laura...

183

Not to freak you guys out or anything but I think I just got a gerbil, a harmonica and a set of jumper cables stuck up my ass.

A little help here?

I think you should try Andrew Sullivan's blog.

184 Obama did call - but didn't reach McCain this a.m. Obama is pissed he studied sooooo hard and now this

185 "I would rather lose a campaign than lose a war."

And he is demonstrating that he would rather lose a campaign than allow Americans to suffer under a financial crisis.  Brass Balls.

186 Oh, and McCain will not lose because of this.  Remember, there are 2 more debates.  He can miss one and he can remind us all that he wanted a series of townhalls with Obama, but BHO wasn't much interested then.

187 Brass Balls.

That should hurt when he's teabagging Barry.

188

Forget sending Palin to debate Obama.

Let Obama debate Biden.

189 30 Obama source "no reason to cancel the debate or suspend campaign"  not a good move...Whats he gonna do, debate himself?

Posted by: RBR at September 24, 2008 03:16 PM (1TdIE)

The only debate the 'zero' can win.

190 Oh, great. Obama is on the radio reading off his teleprompter pretending to know what he is talking about and taking credit for acting before McCain.

Again, the risk of doing nothing? How about the risk of delaying until no one has any money left in their savings, you assholes?

Again, he's reinterating that he came up with the solutions. Fuck the donks. Fuck the msm. What bullshit.  This government is worthless. In 30 years they can't even solve the energy problem.

191 There are enough takes here on the McTimeOut to fill a decent-sized platoon, and among them enough with sufficient quality to assemble a combat ready squad.

But I can't help feeling that something more compelling than an intuitive hunch, or even a counterintuitive stratagem, caused the candidate who surely realizes he absolutely must win the debate phase for the faintest chance of winning the prize to cancel the one concerning the subject of his only advantage?

[other, of course, than that oh, so attractively translucent epidermal tone]

There are a number of options, several non-exclusive:

[1] McCain more than anyone knows what a bullshit artist he's been on "foreign policy", and though he was able to intimidate the crap out of helmet hair Romney in the primary, there was always a better than even chance that Obama was going to wipe the floor with him on this subject. After all, how's he going to explain Maliki pulling the rug on his 100 year occupation? Not to mention his BFF Bush? He's just grateful the bubble didn't break on the Surge until his Republican rivals all cried uncle.

[2] He's a very, very, very, very, very, very, very old man, and he's never been a good student [to put it mildly], he's got the attention span of a gekko, he never was able to get past an exam by cramming, he's been losing in rehearsal to his sparring partner, and he's grateful as hell that his handlers at least had the decency to point out he hasn't got the chance of a polar bear beneath Palin packin' a highpowered semi-automatic with a scope on top straddling the front nose of a chopper of getting ready by Friday. Plus he tires easily, needs at least 4 naps a day, and in over the time Obama has taken two vacations he's not even taken one. He's pooped and running very close to collapse.

[3] He's scared. [Again, these options are not mutually exclusive.]

[4] He figures to put Obama off his feed bag. I actually don't think this one works, because the truth is that Obama never actually backed off from the idea of the summer town hall tour; he just wanted the number reduced so he could do his tour or Iraq and that Berlin gig and maybe catch a few waves and 18 or so holes in Hawaii. Axelrod and Plouffe have both gone public with the details of their efforts to engage Davis and Black in discussing details of 3 to 5 joint townhall appearances and those details have never been refuted. If McCain is serious in thinking he can play with Obama's head, he's far more stupid and vain than even such as I have suggested, and crazy to boot.

[5] He's crazy. This one is plausible: anger management issues, 5 and half years in a POW camp, tortured a bunch, life long party animal, won't release his medical records, pretty much only produced his dental records, a few X-rays, some reconstructive surgery records and an outdated two line one sentence summary statement on his recurrent skin cancer, even for that joke of a speed read session.

[6] A subtle but important variation on [5]: He's crazy and even he knows it.

[7] Not strong enough to stand alone, but it's possible he and his handlers have judged a risk that he could end up looking pretty damn silly going ballistic over Obamas 'persistent refusal to acknowledge the Surge is working or worked or something', which from the primary debates looks like it might be all he's got on that, when 150 million voters have at least put Iraq on the back burner while the're having conniption fits and anxiety attacks and whining and all over the Bush Bailout.

[8] Add to [7] that McCain's handlers are not so much worried over his ability to handle questions engaging the differences between commodity pledges and the various classes and stages of derivative calculations from the perspectives of buyers and sellers on the debt instrument markets, or the differences among the 57 or so different classes of mortgage interests held in the name of of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, or why we have a Fannie and a Freddie in the first place, or in the conceptual differences and handling priorities between sub prime mortgages and ordinary mortgages, as they are concerned with whether he even understands what a friggin' mortgage IS! "I spent five and half years in a place where if you got a mortgage it would been like Christmas" doesn't take one very deep into these sorts of issues.

Plus the Senator is still not sure what it was he did wrong on the Keating 5 thing [Getting him through that alone could take him the next week, ormore; nobody can tell at this stage. And you can be damn sure some pundit's gonna ask him about that in the last debate.

[9] Given Senator Obama's record this year of saying something and being proven right or prescient time and time again, once Obama gave him the outlines of what Obama was proposing they both get behind and take bipartisan credit for, it suddenly occurred to Senator McCain that the country is embroiled in a financial crisis of truly staggering importance and awesome consequences, following which he tried to relate to Schmidt and Davis and Black what Obama said, got lost, got confused, got upset and now he needs a long rest.

[10] Something's going on with his cancer, or more likely his heart, that's caused a real worry here, and whole cancel-the-debate-to-deal-with-the-economy thing is a big convenient fake out.

That last one is actually pretty high up my list of likelys. You Tools might be about to get your wish of a change at the top of the ticket. Not entirely sure it'll be Sarah though...but meaning no ill towards Senator McCain, if that's what's happening, then here's hoping the back room boys run to Sarah.

Finally, from the way the McCain Campaign has been conducted to date, we can be sure of one thing: whatever its saying the reason is, is not the reason.

192 ROFL - listening to Obama's speech, he's saying "we need to act in the way that will be most helpful."  It's so freaking obvious he knows he's a dwarf in the Senate.

193 If Obama and Palin debated, I think we would all conclude that they are both qualified -- to be VICE PRESIDENT!

194 First, it's clearly a clusterfuck of morons, don't accept any substitutes. Though I'd prefer a 'giggle' to a 'gaggle'. Wait, maybe a goggle. Hum. glugle? A giggle goggle gluggle of morons is actually descriptive.

McCain on Friday "Oh, you still want to have a debate? I hear you have a lot of doubts about Palin's credentials, so I'll send her in my stead to the debate. Have a nice day."

195 Obama got pwned.

196 Dog poop in aisle 191.

Watch your step.

197 Diderot's Dog barked. And I shot it. All 10 points are blown back by this one:

1) McCain cares about the country first, while Obama wants to skullfuck the country.

Sorry, DD. You go fall into a ditch.

198 I think DD's well on his way to founding his own cult of 'Debate Trooferism.'

199 Good grief, Obama is such a loser. I know his adoring fans hang on, uh,  his every, uh, word, but, uhuhuh, he isn't saying anything. Like usual.  McCain is doing the right thing. Obama is too much of a coward to actually state his position (if he has one).

200

The One just had a press conference, he such a little weight.

Debate him, kick his ass, NOW!!

Kemp

201

If McC is going back to WDC to try to _kill_ the bailout, then that would be OK.  But you _know_ he's going to "reach across the aisle," "seek compromises," and the 535-man "bipartisan" clusterfuck is going to puke up the biggest lethal worst megabailout possible.

Looking at it purely as a political gambit, riddle me this: How does he turn the campaign back ON again, considering the crisis will be nowhere near over by election day?

202 The only debate the 'zero' can win.

Are you kidding? 0bama debates himself every time he talks.  Unless his good buddy TelePromTer is there to help out, he often loses.

203 At least he's learned about paragraph breaks.

204 DD needs a shave. I suggest using Occam's Razor.

205 Barry, you should put some ice on that.

206 If McC is going back to WDC to try to _kill_ the bailout, then that would be OK.  But you _know_ he's going to "reach across the aisle," "seek compromises," and the 535-man "bipartisan" clusterfuck is going to puke up the biggest lethal worst megabailout possible.

What if he mav's on the bill, says he won't stand for a bailout with the kitchen sink and then Obama has to agree with him or vote with GWB? Pwned.

After all, Palin says we need some bail out, just not THIS bailout.

207

the only debate the 'zero' can win

Thats not true; Obamuh is a Masterdebater

208

#191 Ddog

Perhaps you’re right, but it looks like you’ve missed the obvious choice (and it seems to be the one McCain made):

On the floor of the Senate, with cameras rolling, stand up and remind the Senate (and the American Public, via television) about his efforts a few years ago to pass S-190 (when it likely would have averted the present crisis or at least reduced it).

Remember, we saw this sort of lending failure with Superior Bank (Q: Which billionaire supporter, fellow board-menber on many boards, and long-time Chicago friend of Barak Hussein Obama, ran the bank? How much did she make?

On the floor of the Senate, with cameras rolling, name names. Who recently left Fannie Mae (with $26million in job bonuses) while people are losing their homes? Who does he advise now?

 

It seems that McCain is inside the Left's OODA loop.

209

An important quality in great leaders is a sense of urgency.

McCain - Check

Obama - Fail

This is URGENT Obama you nitwit.

 

210

8:30 a.m

Rrrrrrrrriiiiiinnggg. 

McCain HQ: "McCain/Palin."

BO:  "Ah, yeah.  This is, ah, um, Senator Obiden, I mean (under his breath): Fuck!  Fuck!"  Click.

8:32 a.m.

Rrrrrriiiingg.

McCain HQ:  "McCain/Palin."

BO:  (Voice slighly deeper.)  "Good morning.  This is Barack Obama.  I, ah, ur, ... I need ... um, I mean I'd like to talk to ... um, ah,  ... is John there?"

HQ:  "You mean Senator McCain?"

BO:  "Yes.  Senator McCain."

HQ:  "Yes, he's here, but he's busy right now."

BO:  "I, uh, um, well, this is kind of important."

HQ:  "I'm sure it is.  However, he's in a meeting regarding the economic crisis.  He'll have to call you back."

BO:  "Well, let me give you a number he can reach - "

HQ:  (Interupting, and smiling widely): Don't worry, Senator, we have your number."

BO:  "Ah, um, okay."  Click.

2:30 p.m.

Rrrrrrriiiiinnnnnng.

Obama HQ:  "Obama/Biden."

JM:  "Hi there.  This is Senator McCain.  I understand Senator Obama called this morning.  I regret that I was attending other matters and could not take his call.  Is he available?"

Obama HQ:  (Faint, wispering voice in the background): "Tell him I'm busy in an important meeting."

Obama HQ:  "Senator, the Presi...., I  mean Senator Obama is in an important meeting right now."

JM:  "No problem.  Say 'hello' to him for me." (About to hang up.)

Obama:  "Woah, wait, um, ah, John? Is that you?  Man, I just happened to get out of a very important meeting.  You were lucky to catch me."

JM:  "Lucky me.  I was returing your call - "

Obama:  (Interrupting.) "Yeah, with this bailout thing, I was thinking-"

JM:  (Interrupting.)  " - to tell you that I'm suspending my campaign and heading back to D.C. to get something done.   Maybe you should meet me there.  We'll have to reschedule our debate.  See ya."  Click.

Obama:  "John?  John?                    Fuck."

211 All of a sudden the idiot can't wait to debate? Whatever. Can't wait to see what the Uhbama team comes up with to counter this...

212

"We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight in the hills, we shall fight in the skies, and in the cities. We shall never surrender, we shall never give in - never, never, never give in.  Oh . . and . . uh . . if you need me, call me."

-Barack Churchill

213

Diderot's dog,

So winner's people are using new names.  The last line is pure Kos Bull Shit.  Whatever they are saying is the reason is not the reason.

So, sounds like McC has gotten into the Kos Kids head's big time, they don't have a fucking  clue what Karl is up to.

You never hear the bullet that kills you. 

You guys are so rattled you can not see straight.  Replay  "The One's" Press conference.  You think this guy is prepared?  What are you smoking.

Kemp

214 Kemp -

K-Lo at the corner has a different reaction than most here regarding Obama's presser. 

215 "If you need me, call me." BunnyBallsBarry

216 A circle jerk of morons, maybe?

217 K-Lo at the corner has a different reaction than most here regarding Obama's presser.

Without looking, does it contain a reference to Mitt Romney?  You know, he's just dreamy...

218

210

THREAD WINNER

 

Also

I know the weasels posing as journalists didn't ask him Question #1 (please confirm to the American peopls whose idea you think this was, Senator Obama), but he already has admitted he lied about calling McCain about this joint appearance.

  McCain has suspended his campaign, right?  Not even Jesus 2.0 has the power to make his opponent's campaign suspend operations!   It's possible that he did call McCain in the morning.  But whatever they discussed, it was not what Obama is pretending it was about.   Furthermore, the tepid attack against McCain suspending to fix this is circumstancial supporting evidence.  If Obama was ready for this, he would have trotted out something along the lines of,   "There's plenty of blame to go around, but Sen. McCain's choice to hide from you in the Senate speaks volumes about his own culpability.  It is typical and rephrehensible that the Republican moneyed interests on Wall Street would call their candidate back to fight for their special interests.   "But what about the American people?  Nobody needs to call on me to fight for them!  If Wall Street is adding Senator McCain's voice in their defense, then it is incumbent upon me to go back give voice to the millions of voiceless victims on Main Street."   It's partisan of course, but the narrative works much better than "Me, too."   Best Regards

219 help I'm a retard Biden when it comes to formatting

220 "Give me liberty or give me ..... a call, if you think you need me."

221

"After all, Palin says we need some bail out, just not THIS bailout."  I love SP, but she knows less about finance & economics than just about anybody, even McC.  A bailout is bad news, it only delays the inevitable shakeout, and impairs the USD and the full faith and credit of the USA.  You can't fix debt with more debt.

Here's my plan: let the whole stinking rotten overleveraged mess collapse _now_.  I'll take a Great Depression over a Zimbabwe hyperinflation anyday.

222

Harry Reid has put out a statement (I'm sure with approval by the Obama campaign) saying that neither candidate should come back to Washington and that presidential politcs would not be helpful if interjected on the hill, blah, blah.

When you need dingy Harry Reid to run interference for you - you're in trouble.

223

Reid's full statement:

This is a critical time for our country. While I appreciate that both candidates have signaled their willingness to help, Congress and the Administration have a process in place to reach a solution to this unprecedented financial crisis.

I understand that the candidates are putting together a joint statement at Senator Obama’s suggestion. But it would not be helpful at this time to have them come back during these negotiations and risk injecting presidential politics into this process or distract important talks about the future of our nation’s economy. If that changes, we will call upon them. We need leadership; not a campaign photo op.

If there were ever a time for both candidates to hold a debate before the American people about this serious challenge, it is now.

224 Reid is spewing talking points, he is quoting what Obummer said in his presser. It's lame, since McCain has already suspended, including pulling down his ads. Why is Obama whining after he's gotten a bounce from this whole mess? He loves it. Tho I cannot understand how anyone could think BHO is better for the economy, there it is.

225 OT: Palin Paying Off - Powerline

http://tinyurl.com/4qyx28

226

If that changes, we will call upon them.

So Sen. Reid is actually leaving open the possibility that it may become time to "risk injecting presidential politics into this process or distract important talks about the future of our nation’s economy"?

If there were ever a time for both candidates to hold a debate before the American people about this serious challenge, it is now.

Right, by having a debate on foreign policy.  Brilliant!

227 "We need leadership; not a campaign photo op."

Um, isn't leadership what McCain is providing by showing that the good of the country comes first, and campaign photo ops are what Obama is providing by continuing his campaign?  I'm so confused - I thought Harry Reid was a Democrat.

228

And fuck Reid's patronizing.  Sen. McCain should respond:

"I serve as a member of the Senate.  I serve the people of my state, not Sen. Ried.  When and under what circumstances I choose to add my voice to an issue the Senate is debating is not determined by whether the leader of the opposition party believes my presence would be "helpful," or whether my decision to do so inconveniences my opponent's campaign schedule.  Just a day ago, Sen. Reid suggested that his support of the bailout plan was contingent upon my vote in favor of it, but now he would prefer that I stay away and not vote at all.  Well, I've got news for Sen. Reid:  I'm coming to Washington, whether it shakes things up or not."

229

If Reid wants to campaign for Obama by saying that he initiated this crap then I think President Bush should fall on his sword so to speak tonight:

 

"My fellow Americans, I take full responsibility for the situation we are in now, not for causing it but by not reacting to it. If I had taken Senator McCains advice back in 2005 on the Senate Bill that would have prevented this, we would not be in the situation we are in now. So to you Senator McCain, I want to say that I am truely sorry,"

230 Rule #1 of politics: when you're down, demand debates. When you're up, refuse them.

We can see who is up right now, despite the fraudulent polls and the sycophantic media.

And gp, I'm pretty stupid on economics too, but all of these loans are secured by collateral, right?  I mean except for Galveston, the land isn't going anywhere.

Even if some loans default, and even if those are less than face value at auction or foreclosure sale, some money will still be returning to Treasury, yes?  And the vast majority will continue to pay on those notes. 

I hate the bailout on general principle, and I have enough ammo for an extended time of trouble, but the full-blown financial collapse still seems about a decade away to me, and we don't need to hasten it.  This is just the first death-shudder.

231 An extravaganza of morons.

232 I believe it's a dribble of morons.

233 I can't help but notice that many here spell the weak candidates name wrong - It's '0bama', not 'Obama*.

234 And gp, I'm pretty stupid on economics too, but all of these loans are secured by collateral, right?

A big part of the problem is that a lot of these properties were bought at the peak of the bubble, which has now collapsed.  The value of the mortgage outstrips the current value of the property.  There's nothing but a big loss in foreclosing on the home, and no incentive to pay $350K on a house that is worth $200K, so a lot of properties get defaulted on.

Fortunately, my money's in tulips.

235

"all of these loans are secured by collateral, right?"  If any of this RE collateral was worth _anything_, then why in holy hell is the Fed, Treasury and Congress preparing the biggest bailout in history?  Do _you_ want to buy those houses?  Nobody does!  They're getting ready to make a Market For Crap: pay 75c/$ for stuff that they can resell for maybe 10c/$; it's like a flea market for retards.  Holman Jenkins has a serviceable idea: bulldoze several thousand houses to start to bring supply down to meet demand.

"I have enough ammo for an extended time of trouble."  I have equities, cash, and an unfullfillable promise of Social Security in 15 years.  I can live if my equities go to zero; I can live without the bogus promise of Social Security; I _cannot_ survive if my cash position is undermined by hyperinflation, which is what we're going to get if we don't say NO to this endless series of futile bailouts.   It's going to look like fucking Germany in the 1920s.

No bailout!  Let the chips fall where they may.  Then at least we'll know what real assets are truly worth, and can begin to sensibly invest again.

236 OT but I thought McCain/Palin were in troublehttp://tinyurl.com/28ztcc

237 This is a brilliant move on McCain's part in many ways. A few aspects that stand out to me:

First, it is completely consistent with his character. He puts duty first, and as a sworn representative of his State his first duty is to them in a crisis that involves Senate action.

Second, it moves the game to his home turf, where his advantage over Obama is significant.

Third, the Establishment media is pretty much compelled to cover the floor debate, in which McCain will no doubt take a leading role. He will have a chance not only to put his leadership skills on display, but he will also be able to lay out the history of this crisis, which puts fault directly in the Dems' laps.

Fourth, a bonus: he forced several errors on Obama's part: "Let us not distract Rome's burning from the important fiddle competition before us. Even though it was my idea first."

Having said this, it is a ballsy move, fraught with risk. It's easy to see how McCain could drop the ball big-time with his all-too-familiar hands-across-the-aisle crap. But somehow I don't think he will this time.

In other words, I hope that he has changed.

238 no need to respond to Ried. He's an insignificant little gray man, a speck. He's the weakest, most ineffectual, worthless Senate leader in history.

239 Everyone knows that it's a murder of crows.

It's a "slaughter of hobos" (and I agree with "a shortbus of morons")

240 COUNTRY ABOVE POLITICS !!!
Both candidates are U.S. Senators.This financial crisis will be decided in the U.S. SENATE. Currently, the brilliant plan is that after this 7 hundred billion dollar bail out ... Pelosi and Reed will be in charge of picking who will be in charge of ongoing oversight for continued spending. God help us! This is another example of how Senator John McCain puts country first. All Obama cares about is winning the election at any cost. Obama neglected his duties as U.S. Senator before running for President, and especially after he began running for President. This 'bail out - quick fix" will negatively affect Americans for decades. Many of the bloggers who are criticizing McCain for this decision wouldn't recognize responsibility, or integrity if it bit them on the ass. Keep America strong and safe ... Elect McCain/Palin in November.

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