1 and the public's uninformed guess that any time there's some problem with Wall Street or finance, it must be because of the Republicans helping out their buddies.

Probably why McCain has been pushing the "wall street greed" meme so hard.

Anyways, things look pretty grim right now. The state polls seem to be tighter though.

2 How do you fight the daily deluge of lies and slime by the obamabots and the MSM?

3 I just can't get too concerned about it.  So many variables will skew polls one way or the other, losing sleep over them is just a waste and shouldn't affect our actions anyway.

If McCain was up in the polls, would you lessen your efforts to push his side?  Rest on your laurels?  I wouldn't, and I doubt you would either.

FIDO.

4

They couldn't be more wrong, of course. The election will be won or lost based on McCain's effectiveness at reversing that built-in narrative.

I've been wondering for awhile when he was going to offer a rebuttal to the Democrat/MSM storyline. Not exactly a quick-footed war room at McCain HQ.

lorien 1973 was right...McCain came out trying to kiss up, 2000 style, with his media friendly greed-bashing schtick. Didn't work. Worked when you were compared to conservative Republicans. But you can't out Oliver Stone a liberal. Can't do it.

He blew a solid week on that storyline and it might cost him the election.

5

Obub is getting a bounce because of bad economic news. If the economy stabilizes between now and Nov, the bounce will go away. The election will still be fought state by state, not nationally. I would LOVE to see Obub win popular vote, and lose the electoral college by a skinny cat's shrivelled whisker.

6 I view this a a late buying opportunity on Intrade.  Friday morning, before the debate, may be the best time.

7 Balls are tasty.

8

Protein Wisdom reports: 

As I noted in an update last evening would almost certainly be the case, the media today is pushing the story that the firm owned by McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis, lobbied for Freddie and Fannie Mac — all while continuing to ignore exploring, at any length, Sen Barack Obama’s actual ties to those closely related to the current economic meltdown. Not only that, but the Davis-as-tied-to-crisis story is disputed by the McCain campaign — which alleges that the NYT has reported in bad faith, and that public records back up the campaign’s claims that Mr Davis cut ties to his firm in 2006, and that he never lobbied Freddie or Fannie Mac (and in fact, hasn’t been a registered lobbyist since 2005).

All of which, I suppose, is not surprising; after all, the media seems to think that the Sen from Illinois is running against everyone but Senator McCain, from the Gov. of Alaska to a campaign manager, and so their function has been to try to dirty them and hope that as the stories accrue, the public is left with a certain impression crafted by their reporting, while the facts that undercut this impression will ultimately only be “corrected” in the back pages of the paper, if at all.

http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=13309

 

By the way check this out:  http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/24/new-mccain-ad-the-coal-miner/    (it is awesome)

9 CJ at September 24, 2008 02:10 PM (9KqcB)

As Rush says, Republicans win when they are conservative, they lose when they act moderate or liberal. McCain has been acting liberal (greed! greed!) and he's losing. Go figure.

10 You know what goes well with balls?

Shit.

Provides a little tang that offsets the sweet.

11 I have been speculating that W has refused to bully pulpit the DNC involvement with fannie mae to spite McCain for being so mavericky.  Otherwise, W's refusal to go on the air and make the case that this is not "wild west finances" is probably W's worst failure of leadership to date.

So, W is going on the air tonight.  He better have an airtight history of his attempts to fix fannie mae/freddy mac or else this election is lost. 

12 Some people can't get up in the morning without a hot cup of coffee.

There's only one thing that wakes me up.

Hot, fresh-from-the-udder come.

13 Here's the deal, Monday morning polls will show a solid 6 point lead in tracking after McCain does some major fucking up in the debate.  Believe it.

Enjoy this before the cowardly graffiti dicks rummage through their meme bags and roll out some gut clenching hilarity. 

Posted by: frito at September

Wow.  somebody opened the door at the DU and let one out. 

14

How come frito forgot to mention that it is a concerned conservative Christian?

 

Oh, well.  I guess we could tell from its tone.

15 Believe it.

The fire next time.  The lefty's just can't let it go.

16 I would LOVE to see Obub win popular vote, and lose the electoral college by a skinny cat's shrivelled whisker.

I think this would be the worst possible outcome. The only thing it's good for is ratcheting up the bitterness and rancor among the Dems to maximum levels, and of course we'll have to hear endless repetitions of the "we wuz robbed" meme for the next 4 or 8 years. If McCain wins a not-even-close election, the bitterness and rancor will still be there, but not nearly as bad, and any claims of electoral theft will not be taken seriously, even by partisan hack media outlets like the NY Times.

17

w00t! We got a live one. Okay, nobody scare it..

18

Kat-Mo:

You had all night with open blog privileges and didn't use the opportunity to destroy Ace's blog.

What gives?

19 also, I guess that we have to remember that we went through this in 2004 when the left tried to win by saying we lost the war in Iraq.  We need to work to have the same effort we had in 2004.  The media was also stacked against us then.

Only, it seems that this time, Maverick will chew up Capt. Uh in the debates.

20

here here here, Frito!

Does Frito want a cookie? How about a cracker? Nice Frito!

21 We have a Winner!

22 Frito disappeared like a puss while McCain surged in the polls.  Now, with supposed good news for his empty suit candidate, he shows up again (but still unable to show a single qualification for his Messiah).  What a sterling example of Leftist character.

23 BOTH horsesasses and buggy parties are corrupt, candidates and all, and they BOTH are screwing U bigtime. (vote the NET)

24

Re: the debates- it could work out.  National security is McCain's strongest suit and Obama's weakest, so a strong victory could cripple the other campaign.  That leaves some time for the bailout to be discussed and/or voted on, the issue to settle down, and McCain to have a solid answer/response/plan.

Yeah, I'm pinning my hopes on the debates, but McCain and Pailin will be stronger in them than Obama and Biden, and if they don't make the trends break for the Republicans, nothing will.

25

"As Rush says, Republicans win when they are conservative, they lose when they act moderate or liberal. McCain has been acting liberal (greed! greed!) and he's losing. Go figure."

The thing is, though: why didn't this work for Santorum?  I'm afraid the country really is trending left.  Leftists have been indoctrinating our children for two solid generations now, and their brains have gone to mush.

Depressing.

26 Tush!  Have you noticed that your one of your ideas from a couple of weeks ago has found wide circulation?  First at NRO and spreading to FOX.

27 Anyways, things look pretty grim right now.

You were saying things looked grim when McCain was up 3-4 points. Try not to comment again until your medication takes effect.

28

Obama consistently outperformed in polls and then underperformed in primaries in the, uh, primaries.

29 Toby, which idea are you talking about?

30

I don't buy poll values, only poll trends, but the weighting in these polls seems kinda. . .

Heavy.

It's like Stormy70 and I being in the same weight class.

There is always an assumption favoring lib's, and Wiz pointed out a 50% shift in the variation of weighting between dem's and 'pubs, as well as heavily sampling dem's.

I don't know if it is THIS poll, but it was a poll making shit look bad for 'pubs.

31 w00t! We got a live one. Okay, nobody scare it.


Shhhh,
It's gonna suck to be him on Nov. 5th.

32 Your observation that if racism was the cause of Obama losing, it would be the racism of Democrats, since Republicans will vote Republican regardless.

33 Anybody got any bean dip?

34 Hey, frito, nice to see you again.  How are things at Winner!

I think once people see that Fannie and Freddie were make-work jobs for Democrats (Jamie Gorelick, for God's sake!), the Dems won't come out looking so good.

35

Tob,

It would be real neat if it really started from AoS. I could go down in history as the guy who started a 'meme'*

I fcuking hate that word. I don't even know how to pronounce it.

36 We survived Carter but we may not survive Obama.  The MSM will never turn on Obama.  This quite possibly may be the last free and _fair_ election in American history.  The MSM have abandoned any pretext of fairness and when Obama kills Talk Radio...and he will...it's all over.  By the end of Obama's second term blogs like this will be struggling to stay accessable. Blogs hosted in teh US will be shut down and overseas hosts blocked. 

37 I have reason to believe that you are a moron done good on this one.  A day or two after your post, I mentioned that idea in an email to one of the NR guys.  A couple of days later he used it.  Then another of their correspondents did.  Then Jonah this week.  And it was brought up on Fox News this morning.

Its spreading.



Totally off topic and not to suggest that all successful Indians know each other but, do you happen to know Bijoy Sahoo.

38

Tushar, this should be easy for you to remember - it's pronounced like "scream." As in:

I fcuking hate that word. I don't even know how to pronounce it. Every time I hear it, I want to scream!

39 Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 24, 2008 02:31 PM (IWwW5)

You're racist for having a problem with an incurious "independent" media not being inquisitive about a candidate they openly support.

40

MSM support is worth 15 pts. And this time they're leveraging it to the hilt.

McCain needs to bypass them, and just keep on releasing web ads. Because everytime they come out, the press reports on them, and tons of people see them.

41

As Rush says, Republicans win when they are conservative, they lose when they act moderate or liberal. McCain has been acting liberal (greed! greed!) and he's losing. Go figure.

At least be consistent. He's all over the map. I guess I should note that McCain beat all the "real conservatives" in the primary...but Romney and Rudy don't fit that label.

The thing is, though: why didn't this work for Santorum?  I'm afraid the country really is trending left.

The country has been trending Anti-Bush since before his re-election. I can't really think of many true "conservative" policies he implemented that Americans could be rejecting.  

42 Quilly Mammoth at September 24, 2008 02:31 PM (IWwW5)


I've been saying that to all the "let it all go to hell, and then we'll rebuild (and elect Reagan)" crowd for a year now.

43 Don't get me wrong -- I like eating guy's balls too.

44 Frito? He's riding dirty!

45

I have been speculating that W has refused to bully pulpit the DNC involvement with fannie mae to spite McCain for being so mavericky.  Otherwise, W's refusal to go on the air and make the case that this is not "wild west finances" is probably W's worst failure of leadership to date.

I don't think anyone on the GOP side wants Bush making their case. He's not running and his poll numbers are in the basement.

46 A. Weasel at September 24, 2008 02:37 PM (bqcfE)

I love crash and burn libertarianism! Well, I didn't used to, but now I do

47

They changed the topic?  WTF is McCain TRYING to lose this election?

IDIOT.

I thought we would blow the MN away Friday, now I expect we will get little or nothing from it.

IDIOTS IDIOTS IDIOTS

48 I guess I'm saying, pretty much, that cock, balls, and manmilk are where it's at as far as I'm concerned.

49 I never thought anyone could be more incoherent than the great Spurwing, it appears I was wrong.

50 joeindc44 at September 24, 2008 02:15 PM (QxSug)

Bush isn't good enough at speeches to make the case for anything. That's been his problem since 2000. He got a little better after 9/11, but Bush's complete inability to put a decent soundbite together (uh, um, ah) hurt him for 8 years. And him trying to work with democrats on everything made it even worse.

51

"The country has been trending Anti-Bush since before his re-election. I can't really think of many true "conservative" policies he implemented that Americans could be rejecting. "

But what's that got to do with Santorum?  What comfort can there be in suggesting this is only because of Bush if it takes down bona fide conservatives running as such like Santorum?

Maybe it is anti-Bush, but it took down Santorum, and it shouldn't have, if Rush's conventional wisdom were still reliable.

52

I guess I'm saying, pretty much, that cock, balls, and manmilk are where it's at as far as I'm concerned

The return of the Magnificent 7!

53

The most reliable poll, the Battleground Poll, currently has Mccain up by 2:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/RCP_PDF/BG_2-way-ballot-trender.pdf

Agree with your overall analysis, though.  We have to keep working.  Many of us post and opine here.  In light of weakening poll numbers for McCain/Palin, the legacy media suppressing any positive information about the GOP while obviously touting the Obama/Biden ticket and hiding the flaws and failures of the Democrat candidates, and the consquences of having a purely liberal Democrat White House and Senate, we need to do more than opine.  We need to act, to the best of our abilities.

I know many of us here have donated, and many are involved in grassroots operations.  However, those of us who are in deep blue territory might be able to assist in the battle gound states.  Reaching out to undecided voters in these state is vital to spreading the word that John Mccain and Governor Sarah Palin are the right choice for America.

I am signing up for the phone bank, which can be done through here:

https://secure.johnmccain.com//Secure/Signup.aspx?smode=phonebank

The inspiration comes from the PUMAs, who are now in the process of making calls to Michigan and Colorado, to push-back on the swarm of Obamabots deluging voters of those states. 

54

Frito?   Maybe we should start a FDS alert system, that would be Frito Derangement Syndrome, or should we just start calling him "Tom", he's to young to know what we mean and we can enjoy the inside cut.

Nice post, Tom.

55 I was thinking to Obammiacs had raptured out but, apparently not

56

Shit, I post that we should start calling him "Tom", shit, frito IS Tom.  Same shit, different name.

Tom, you've been outed, welcome back, cocksucker.

48 I guess I'm saying, pretty much, that cock, balls, and manmilk are where it's at as far as I'm concerned.

57 The Fox poll, if I'm wading through the internals correctly, have a D/R/I breakdown of 42/35/22 and it's REGISTERED voters.

58 I'm beginning to think that all the movement back and forth in these polls can be explained by people being polled so much that some change who they say they are going to vote for out of sheer boredom.

There is too much polling this year and too many people who simply won't participate in them, mostly conservative. I think they are probably pretty worthless.
It would be interesting to find out how many calls each poll had to make just to find the number they needed to answer. I'll bet there are entire sections of states they are unable to even get 1 or 2 people to participate in the poll.

59

They had one window, and that was building on the Palin buzz after the convention.  They blew it by hiding her and reinforcing the meme (sorry Tush) that she wasn't ready for primetime.  Even I am starting to wonder that.  Let her loose, go down fighting. 

Mac's down by 5 to 7 points right now, if he falls back further, it may be the point of no return.  Bradley, sample weights, vaunted Rove ground game it's mostly BS and will not be able to overcome a 5-10 deficit.

60

Incidentally, I don't know why McCain agreed to allow Friday's debate to shift from the economic agenda scheduled to the foreign policy agenda it will now explore.

 

Breaking News!  McCain has just suggested that the Friday debate be postponed so that he can return to DC and work on the bailout!

61

DD was me, sockpuppet.

 

I'm a panicker though, I panic, that's what I do.

62

On the Debates:  McCain might be able to turn any international question (say energy) back to domestic issues and say something useful. 

On being down in the Polls:  Fighting the Obama Zombie Horde was hopeless to begin with and continues to remain that way.  You knew that when you opted in with Team McCain.  So no crying as things turn black (racist!).

Hell, remember how grim it was right before Palin's convention speech?  O's bounce in full swing and MSM and Obamam Astroturfing attacks in full force.

And yet Team McCain was not crushed then and we are not lost now.

You stood with Team McCain then so stand with them now.  What are you, fucking fair-weather allies?  No, you are gaddamn morons who oppose the Unstopable.  Might as well be happy about it and keep fighting.

Fucking Morons.  Stop panic-running into walls.

63

Just got this CNN breaking news in my email

-- John McCain suspends campaigning to work on economy, requests postponing Friday debate; asks Obama do the same.

 

64

ArandomPerson,

Good advice, deep breaths.  Another Valu Rite, all is well, all is well!

I am putting on my Tin Hat and calling Karl, RIGHT NOW.  I need some good news.

Kemp

65 Haha sad ass shit from the nations leading closet case blog!  Oh Andy, how'd you find my house with just a little ol ip?  Give me a second I just got out of the shower.

66 You know, I'm inclined to look at McCain's suspension as a sign of leadership.  Really.  Can you imagine Obambi doing that?

67
I think the news is worse than you realize. I think Americans are generally well aware of Democrat tie-ins with the financial crisis; but I also think they like Obama's policies and views. In other words: I don't think the lack of support for McCain is due to ignorance of Obama's policies and such, in the sense that "if only we conservatives get the truth out, those swing voters (among others) will support McCain"; I think they support Obama because they agree with Obama.

And that's very bad news indeed.

68 You know, I'm inclined to look at McCain's suspension as a sign of leadership.  Really.  Can you imagine Obambi doing that?

Senator Present has never shown that his elected duties are of any priority.

69
I'm inclined to look at McCain's suspension as a sign of leadership.

I look at it as an act of desperation by a man who isn't sure what to do or say is playing for time. And I think American voters will look at it that way too. And, no, I don't think Obama would do the same: I think Obama would bullshit his way through it--which will make him look stronger than McCain.

70

Tob,

No, I don't know the guy.

71 Fine, then. I start construction on my bunker tomorrow.

72 This election, to my mind, is the test to see whether the electorate has simply begun to vote itself bread and circuses. If we have reached that point, kiss the constitution and the republican form of government goodbye. Next stop: centralization, the tyranny of mediocrity, and the dominance of demagoguery. At that point, the electorate is effectively out of the political process and "those who know best" step in.

_{Some would argue we're already there...}

73 Oh, and Santorum had a lot of problems that had little to do with his conservatism. He had a lot of mini-scandals, he endorsed Specter for re-election, which killed him with the Freeper-types, and frankly, just gave off a weird vibe. Casey is the epitome of the empty-suit politician, but his family is popular in PA, which is why he won so big.

74

They had one window, and that was building on the Palin buzz after the convention.  They blew it by hiding her and reinforcing the meme (sorry Tush) that she wasn't ready for primetime.  Even I am starting to wonder that.  Let her loose, go down fighting. 

I agree 100%.  Why the hell didn't they get her out there, instead of letting the media define her?  Stupid!

75 Tushar, a link if you haven't already seen it:

Another rich irony is that the only racists who matter in this election are the ones in the Democratic Party. News flash: Republicans aren’t voting for the Democratic nominee because they’re Republicans.

76

While Tushar was busy trying to survive on Wall Street, NRO was stealing his lines. Have they no shame?

77 To the Bush sucks and therefore he shouldn't get involved idea.  Fine, give up.  This is a lack of initiative that lets the DNC set the debate on their terms.  It is extremely bad strategery and will cost the RNC hugely.  Now, the rest of the country thinks that he is hiding because it is his fault.  It is a losing strategy.  The facts are so largely in our favor that simply by making them on the air would force the networks to at least consider them.  Secondly, his polls numbers are better than many members of Congress so he can at least be buoyed by that.

78 EMPOWERMENT OF WOMEN AND MINORITIES IS A PROGRESSIVE GOAL. Tell me who's ALREADY  WON the election.

79 Empowerment of all is a conservative goal.

Tell ME who's already won the election.

80 Geez people! There's a ways to go yet. Just hang on and stop freakin' everytime the dems have a little surge. Neither party has won a presidential election by a lot in decades and I see no reason this one won't be close as well. A lot of panic in this thread...

81 Well, since the Conservatives are being royally screwed by King George, and I don't see U getting all empowered AND since this IS the last dayz of the "2 old white guyz" WH, I'm guessing the progressives. (join the future, vote the NET)

82

STOP YOUR BITCHING!!!!!

The Debates are the first SOLID measure.  announcements and conventions are one sided.

LET the media bitch about "press conferences."  I would like to know the last time they bitched about press conferences.   OH it was DONALD RUMSFELD!"  Before that?  it was bush.

Before that?  no clue, I know clinton gave a speach, looked the nation in the eyes and lied, before that. . .

before that?

83 I don't see U getting all empowered

Actually, I'm pretty juiced, but that's just old white guy privilege. (join the past, vote the telegraph)

84 toby928: Good for U toby928, I a'm too , WE're going to put a woman in the White House. (Mccain won't last long under all the stress)

85 Can the McCain campaign please do something to indicate that they want to win this race?  Should I donate time or money?  Should I de-invest myself intellectually and just prepare for the worst presidency since at least Jimmy Carter?

86
I donated money. Twice. I don't have the time: got to work, bring home the Kibble.

87

I don't give a hoot what the polls say.  My leftist neighbors aren't displaying Obama signs, saying they'll stay at home.  At the gym no one mentions the annointed one but everyone speaks about Palin.  The same at various stores.

 

Dhimmierat activists get sent away when they ask who are you supporting looking all dejected, apparently they are used to this in Virginia.  I can only say I remember what the polls said in 1980, 1984 and 1994.

 

I also doubt we'd be seeing all these articles about bitter, racists in battlefield states or how there will be a race war if Obama doesn't win, if the annointed one is ahead.

 

I only hope one of these polling geniuses will put his money where his mouth is, but then I forget, all these races are within the margin of error, just like 1980, 1984, and 1994.

 

These chumps are so pathetic. 

 

 

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