1 The Obama Campaign a grotesque monstrosity of self serving lies and deception.

Two questions you better fucking ask yourself America!

Who the fuck is the guy?

How the hell can you even consider trusting him with our country?

2 Yeah, #1. I am still waiting for OBarry to introduce himself. This campaign has a really weird feel to it from day one.

3 I really think there's a tiny possibility this might help McCain-Palin in some small unidentifiable way. Too bad the MSM won't go after Obama nor even Axelrod.

4

Actually, when it comes to AMA, Mesa and I agree, that we only want people who "get it."

But we do it for free, and don't give one fuck if we are famous.

I can be famous as a commentor, I don't even need a blog.

5 Ace this has been an interesting evening. Thanx for all the hard work. New vigilance in modern media. I have learned a lot from this.

6 Obama will probably win the election, but it's nice to see not only McCain and Palin putting up a fight, but conservative bloggers do real reporting which will, unfortunately, be missed by the majority of the public unlike Obama's propoganda.

7 Again, I ask... ACE!! Has this stuff actually been sent to major MSM outlets? Of course, send it to the radio talkers and major bloggers, but it can't hurt to have the "elite" media see it, even if for the second it takes them hit delete. Plant the seed.

8 I want to register an official complaint.

Because of late-night activity like this, I'm operating on so little sleep that I'm a danger on the road.  When I get up to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night, I'm compelled to check out Ace of Spades, as I know y'all never sleep.

It's tough being the all-night protector of American Freedom.

9 Speaking of late night activity... what's up with Instapundit posting at 3:30am?

10 "Who the fuck is this guy?"

The product of 40 years of leftist indoctrination and infiltration.

He's "the One," meaning the one who was supposed to take us into Marxist heaven.

The problem is that he actually started believing his own propaganda, like Woody Allen in The Front.  He actually starting thinking he was all that a bag of chips

That's what will save us, I think.  I'm pretty sure McCain will trash him in all three debates, because I've seen no evidence whatsoever in the past two years that Obama can debate his way out of a wet paper bag.

But McCain can. And McCain is serious about winning.

And McCain is pissed at Obama now.

It'll be, as Wellington said about Waterloo, " a damn nice thing--the nearest-run thing you ever saw," but I think we'll win.

11

The anode in my fucking CRT is about to die out Linda, cuz I never turn off my puter or my monitor.

When the auto-updates hit (about ever 20 minutes) I wake up cuz my screen flashes.

What has that gotten me?  a monitor that is about to fucking die.

12 You know how blogs are always breaking stories for the past few years... Why is it always conservative blogs?

13 Oh, and "cnwinner" is gone now too.

14 I.C. Wiener prevented the brains from dominating the known universe.

15 Axelgrease is a twisted liar. I hope that these efforts push a lot of folks to realize that.

16

Not only is this tactic dishonest, but it demonstrates a flagrant contempt for the intelligence of the average voter.

Here's a story:

Obama thinks you're fucking stupid. And furthermore, he thinks the only way he can win your vote is to lie to you.

On that last score, he's probably right.

That is this election in a nutshell, people. Obama thinks we are all fucking drooling idiots, just needing to be led somewhere, anywhere by him.

FUCK HIM UP THE ASS WITH AN AXELROD.

Sarah! Sarah! Sarah!

17 WP, CRTs cause global warming, asshole.

You should use e-paper from Amazon's Kindle.

Ace, whether you admit it or not, you're helping Rusty and pals get the truth out and are a big help.  I hope the other side of the story is as interesting as this side has been.  This probably won't bring down Obama (though it ought to), but drip drip drip.

18

CRT's cause global warming?

so . . . . should I get a second one?

19 One of the most interesting things I learned here this morning is Axelrod's scare campaign on behalf of the utility company for rate hikes. That is some seriously sleazy shit, and calls into question once again Obama's judgement on who he surrounds himself with. Who the fuck would be running the IRS for him? The DOJ? Treasury? Scary to think about it, huh?

20 WP: not if they are broken!!!!

And given the sun dimming like the aged bulb in your Tandy monitor, global cooling is the new global warming.  So leave the fridge open and cut down your carbon blanket footprint of flamingo preserving warmth.

21 Really folks, think about a political movement who gets into power with an orchestrated campaign to lie about it's identity, agenda, and opponents. That is not hyperbole in the context of this information.

Thats the kind of fascist-crypto-Orwellian activity that nutters always pretend exists. If we let it happen now, what the hell is going to happen after a few years of control of all banches of federal government?

For starters, sites like this will be shut down in a hurry. (But not before the obligatory "taking of names")

22

You know how blogs are always breaking stories for the past few years... Why is it always conservative blogs?

Conservative blogs didn't break the Willow Palin/Trig Palin ultra-coverup!

23 Heh. And yet again, the sheer arrogance of the Anointed One proves to be his undoing. Yes, Axelrod and his buddies are good at the sort of corporate espionage work that they have the (admittedly deserved) reputation for. But- and this is a serious but- this is national politics in the early twenty -first century. Assuming that you're smarter than your oppisition in this day and age is a fatal mistake.

And by being this arrogant and cocky, the entire Obama campaign and it's supporters are gonna drive themselves right off a cliff. Not that there's anything bad about that, mind.

If they're gonna do this, it's gonna make for a fun election season.

24 I just feel bad for the people who love Teleprompter Jesus. A ton of them are truly whack, but I've tried to talk to friends who are under the spell. They just grew up learning to hate G.W. sucks for them.

25 (Cut-and-paste from the prior thread, since I got in just as it was dying.)

Would it be wrong of me to suggest the Townhouse list was involved in a little, ah, "in-kind contribution" here?

26 One more Idea: Could some legislator get traction on this issue by pushing a "transparency in astroturfing" law?

I wouldn't propose making anything illegal--but everyone should be in favor of full disclosure, right?

How about the requirement that any company which is astroturfing needs to file a record of the nature of the act--which issues, who they preteneded to be, and the places and scope of the action.

Thats legislation that would have no downside, and would make this an issue soon. Er, if congress stays in session.

27 link it

28 If this story does break out large, consider the effect it might have on the way Sarah Palin is viewed by the "middle". More and more people will realize they have been played like a chump by the Democrats, and the media (redundant repetitiveness).

This could be rocket fuel for the Sarah surge. T minus 10......9.......8......

29 Conservative blogs didn't break the Willow Palin/Trig Palin ultra-coverup!

What are you talking about? I am too conservative!

30 "Who is this man?"
dunno; but his followers have hymns of sorts.

It's almost 5 am. Why am I up?
good night.

31 MICHELLE MALKIN PICKED IT UP PEOPLE!!!!

THE PUSHBACK BEGINS IN 3 2 1....

32 Hah! Beat me to it. Yes Michelle Malkin is up and at 'em, lead story just went up.

Damn, I love that little lady. Almost as much as Sarah!

33 Since his website was just <a href="http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/now-oreilly-website-hacked-leftists.html">hacked</a>, maybe O'Reilly would be interested in this story...

34 I'm pretty sure that most people will be interested in this story, It has all the ingredients of a great piece; plus a two year back story and more. Malkin's recap was pretty good. Can't wait for tommorrow.

35 michelle was always in the loop

36 Right on bro. I hope that the story goes out in a digestible form. It may have legs.

37 Longbows!!!

38 It's cool to think that Obarry opps were here with us tonight. Like you say in the thread; I hope they tipped the jar as they left.

39 michelle was always in the loop


Ya know, that shouda been pretty obvious, me thinks. Why wouldn't Michelle have been in the loop on this one? 

Ace, you are one magnificent bastard!

40 Gotta wash my ass and hit the happy trail for today. I look forward to checking back later this evening.

Go get 'em Ace!

41

Can I make a recommendation? Far be it from me, etc, etc....  BUT.....

Can you write two paragraphs, two ONLY.... brevity being the ENTIRE point.....  print it in bold...... tell me <i>what has happened here and why it matters.</i> Something I can pass on to the masses whose eyes glaze over.... you know how easy. 

I get how important this is, but it all means squat if the word don't get out to to the masses.

Short and sweet..... what is the meat here, and why should people care?

Commenters who want to take a crack at it as well, please do. It's an excercise, but I think it is of major major importance in advancing this story. Make it pithy, if you will.

 

42 I am losing sleep over this.  I keep saying i have to go to bed but i keep hitting refresh.

I am a democrat.  well not anymore, now i am a Nobamacrat.

I am so hoping something sticks to this sucker of crackpipes and forces the media to pay attention, investigate and take him down.

I can not believe how many of my friends and party members have been taken over.  They are like fucking POD PEOPLE!!!  I feel like Nicole Kidman with a hairy chest and 5 oclock shadow.

Someone made the Obama hand signal to me the other day. 

I told them OH LOOK GOATSE! 

He didn't get it.  He got angry and said that i was bringing up goats as a way to demean barack for his father being a goat herder.

Please Whatever force out there in the heavens protects us from asteroids most of the time, save us from Barack Obama.

43 It's funny, even "stckyfngz" somehow managed to login 4 hours ago and edit his YouTube profile. Strange...

44

You know how I know you're gay?

Cuz you like Azia.

Wait!!!!

I like azia

45 AndrewX; go to Michelle Malkin's page and read it there.

46 I want to be the first:

Jawagate
Turfgate
Astrogate
Axelgate
Winnergate?

47 Losergate.

Hee.

48 lyingbastardsgate

49 Anyone remember me?

Anyone?

50 Thedaythemusicdiedgate

51 Yes Father, please take a seat in the Green Room. We'll be getting to you in a week or so.

What a laugh when you called him David Astroturf

52 YouStupidTwatWhyTheHellDidYouUseESWinnerAsYourScreenNameGate

53 Morons:

If you want want to see david astroturfing gone wild, I suggest you click on drudge; hit the story about the number of cars jmac owns, then read the comments (its cnn I'm sorry and offer absolution).

You couldn't deign a more uniform, robotic bunch of morons (and not the good kind).

I swear the voting age needs to be raised to 40, along with owning property.

54 As a lifelong Republican and a Christian conservative, I am deeply concerned by your attempt to intimidate these completely independent video artists. I have always supported Republicans in the past but I fear your unpatriotic smears are forcing me to back Obama-Biden this time. Astroturfers have First Amendment rights too.

Good DAY, sir!

55

This information will greatly impair the ability of the obamobots to run this sort of campaign. It calls in question the origin of every piece of filth they post. The real grassroots people who actually are boonswaggled enough, to  believe everything they put out, they will start to wonder now, every time they see something new show up, be it a commentor or Youtube video. The same way this steady stream of filth starts to seep into people's minds, this truth, this doubt will begin to seep into their minds. It thrusts into the limelight, in a fresh way, Axelrod's background and profitable, unethical "stick it to the man" manner of making a living. It says, how can Nobama be for hope and change if his campaign manager is paid to lie for a lving? Paid to hoodwink masses of people for profit?

Love it! Thanks to you all!

56 Where no one would take much notice of it; certainly not the media's fact-checkers.

Color me stunned. Who knew the media had fact-checkers? Are bloggers now on the payroll? I didn't even think it was possible to use media and fact-check in the same sentence, unless you clarified it by using the term "NEW media."

57 Concerned Christians....hhhmmmm

I wonder what that entails?

58

lving = living

coffee, must have coffee...

59 Speaking as a deeply concerned Christian Conservative (one who shoots guns and has voted "R" ever since Reagan) I'm not sure we have enough evidence to jump to any conclusions based on the sketchy accusations surrounding these so-called "astroturfing" ads.  I think it would be best to just let this whole thing slide before saying anything that might embarrass us later.  It was probably a simple oversight on the part of an eager ad executive who just happens to like Democrats.  This could just as easily happened to any of us Republicans (who earn more than $150K and regularly read the Bible) as well.  Besides, only he without sin should be casting any stones.  Not only should we forgive and forget, I bet the guys behind the ad didn't really mean to do it and will never do it again.

Sincerely,
A Concerned Fellow Republican

P.S.  Candygram....

60 Axelrod's parents were communists too, btw. I'm thinking he hasn't had the Whittaker Chambers moment either.

The ends always justify the means.

61 lol candygram--showingyou age....

62 I had to go to bed and missed all the action. Couldn't you guys have gotten it done earlier? Or maybe waited until I got up? Sheesh.

On this issue of liberals hitting the conservative blogs--are they ever, and they've got a list. I've seen some suspicious Republican-ish activity on some of the liberal blogs I read--and the libs think everyone who has anything but praise for The Annointed is a concern troll--but it ain't nothing like what I'm seeing on the conservative blogs.

What exactly do they think that is going to accomplish? Wow, a liberal posted a comment on an Ace of Spades post? I'm gonna vote for Obama now. Wow, a concerned Christian thinks a radical, America-hating communist is the way to go? Well, since he's a concerned Christian, I better vote like him! Because I'm a moron!

I used to enjoy the comment section on Urban Conservative, because it was relatively light--but since it comes up high on a google search for "conservative blog", the comments on posts have been looking like Ace of Spades. And most of them lefty trolls. Defenders of the One True Politician. And so on.

What does comment-section astro-turfing get them? Anything? One has to wonder.

63 It doesn't even matter if this particular corrupt campaign tactic is widely covered by the MSM. This is going to take a toll of the supporters Obama is counting on most: The young, internet savvy liberals infesting America's college campuses. As this becomes known their volunteer organization is going to go down the toilet.

The mask has been ripped off. Great work, guys!

64 Thanks for all the hard work Ace and Rusty.  We all need to send this story to ten friends. 

65  
Hats Off, Ladies and Gentlemen!

With concerted magnificent research accomplished pro bono,

every time a dumb bell rings, y'all put on your wings.

66 I was watching Bill Maher on HBO last night. His guests were Ace's pal, Andrew Sullivan, along with Naomi Klein and some guy whose name I didn't catch who looked like an extra from the set of 'Get Christy Love'. The four of them were complaining the Obama campaign in particular and the Democratic Party in general are being entirely too nice. They can't possibly truly believe such a thing--Maher and Sullivan especially--but they push the 'too nice' meme, anyway, hoping to plant the notion in the public mind that ongoing smear campaigns and dirty tricks are entirely the work of an over-enthusiastic netroots chafing at the gentility of the One. Obama is a lightworker, remember. Lightworkers don't play old-school machine politics. So I'll say/write it again: it's time we took it to them hard and low. Let's talk constantly, incessantly about Obama's friendships with Ayers, Aimes, Axelrod and others. Let's talk about Obama and his pastor and his church and its ties to the Nation of Islam. Let's talk about Michelle Obama's anti-American statements--and discuss her fitness as a mother while we're at it. Let's talk about Obama's half-brother living in a shack in a third-world ghetto. Let's really, really talk about Joe Biden--his lies, his plagarism, his absolute unfitness to be anywhere near the Presidency. Peggy Noonan and other supposed conservatives claim the McCain campaign would further divide the country by going virulently negative. They're wrong. And even if they aren't, so be it. The American people should never be able to say of an Obama Administration they didn't know or hear or read anywhere before the election how corrupt or cynically calculating or dishonestly manipulative Democratic Party leadership has become.

67 Fred,

Yeah this crap gets the dims nothing. Its like coming into father P's confessional and trying to convert him to islam vis a vis the readers of this site.

We're much smarter: we drive our elderly relatives to the polls on election day and make the pitch in the car. Works every time!

Cheaper too.

68 Excellent work folks. This will certainly help in the fight for the Undecideds. This story needs to encapsulate this story into a emailable package for distribution.

69

Holy Shit Ace.

Now I SWEAR, Ima find my PayPal password and get you some Val-U-Rite loot.

 

70 It isn't over.  They'll try again and next time they won't make the same mistakes.  They will be much more convert and much harder to reveal.  All those years complaining about the Bush presidency apparently being secretive and this is how they act.  I'm going to do whatever I can to get McCain elected.  I don't care for McCain but at least he isn't a fascist. Four or eight years of this insidious astrotrufing, race baiting politician will be very bad for America.

71

While this whole episode (and the others like it) is interesting, ultimately it means very little.  You caught them and they quickly tried to cover their tracks.  Great job!  However, other than getting them to stop this time, you really didn't accomplish much.

First, this will never in a million years make it into the mainstream.  The media will give it a big "Eh, whatever."  The average citizen will never hear a word about this.

Second, you have taught these retards a few lessons about how to cover your tracks.  The next round of this will be disguised even better and be harder to ferret out.

I applaud everyone's efforts, but I don't think it ultimately matters.

72

Ace,

Should we all go to our local public libraries and try to guess these people's passwords?

I, for one, like the idea of using my Obama-supportin', Booosh-fearin' public librarian as a human shield for my Rovian Endeavors.

 

-

73 This is an excellent story, doing the journalism that the MSM won't do. It is pretty amazing to see how foolish people were about leaving clues, though.

Good luck to all on the continued research. If there are any legal violations, that's the part that won't allow this to go away.

74 Hell, they're so proud of their "grassroots" smear campaign they have a comic strip bragging about it.

75 a must read on lucianne!

76 Well played Ace.  Now stay one step ahead of them in the anticipated denial phase so that their genius can shine forth still further. 

These are certainly not the individuals Obama thought he knew.

77 Lemme go turn on CNN. I'm sure they have more on this story this morning ...

78 Great work!

Though nobody will ever know/care.

79 Way off topic I know, but I want to complain about NR. All they talk about these days is the financial crap.

Blah blah blah, investors, blah blah blah, it doesn't really affect me in my day to day living at all.

I am now forced to just stop going there.

80 Not to be a downer, but the more I think about it, the more I don't think it's going to pierce the mainstream media one bit. I'm not even sure if the conservative circles will touch it really.... we'll see.

81 freetofly: The real grassroots people who actually are boonswaggled enough, to  believe everything they put out, they will start to wonder now,

I can appreciate that, but the reason this is a problem -- the reason astroturfing works at all -- is that critical thinking skills are lacking in the populace. Part of the problem is an educational system that's been shitting all over critical thinking, not just ignoring it, for at least half a century.

Medicinal: What exactly do they think that is going to accomplish?

Internal fractures, measured by and compared to the Democrats' own fracturing. Of course, the difference is that RINOs and conservatives aren't usually trying to appeal to reds. That is, Leftism is defined by fracture and "change" (talk about code words...), agitation and misdirection. After all, a population that knows what it wants and that it doesn't have it doesn't need agitation. Only those poor slob oppressed proles need to wake up to the reality of their chainzzzz!

82

DY NO MITE!  Good work boys!  See when Hobo's are out of season, the boys get bored and go to work!

We need to also play the Democrat son's hacking of Sarah's email up too.

If a GOP legislators son had done this, where do you think the MSM would play it?

It's going to get A LOT Uglier! 

Put on your Kevlar, and lock and load!

83

Sooooo Sleepy....that I posted this in the other long thread.

Sent story (Jawa link) to reasonable lefties.  I do not think they will like being played as fools.  Not at all.

They will read the link because I don't do mass mailings.  Each person I send gets the story link in an everyday email mixed in with our normal Monday morning chatter.

 

I forgot to mention this before:  Yay Ace for the story promotion.

Coffee. 

84 Great work, ace.  Hitting the jar as we speak.

85 Axelrod, you dunce. We are having to have another talk, you and I. When you are to be doing the astroturf, sockpuppets are not to be using their real names. Agitprop must to be stealthy, like the legends of urban.

86

Bravo.

This Was The Post We've Been Waiting For.

87 Great site you got!

Would you like to do a Link Exchange with our new blog COMMON CENTS where we blog about the issues of the day??

http://www.commoncts.blogspot.com

88 lucianne has posted a special comments thread for this topic.

89

Anonymous - "I can appreciate that, but the reason this is a problem -- the reason astroturfing works at all -- is that critical thinking skills are lacking in the populace. Part of the problem is an educational system that's been shitting all over critical thinking, not just ignoring it, for at least half a century."

I heartily concur!& so does my husband, and so do our sons. One of many reasons we have home educated our youngest (he's 15). He has been keeping his neighborhood buddies informed and they are all public school students and graduates (oldest already enrolled in Nat Guard and scheduled to deploy in spring). You're right, but I still believe there's hope! Just listening to those guys is like reading a younger version of these commentors talking. It's flippin' awesome!

Our oldest (24) was recently discussing politics with a man older than me, at his new job. The man was a conservative, etc, etc. He couldn't believe how knowledgeable and conversant my son was in the issues he was concerned about. It was so cool! Yeah, I know, I am braggin' about my kids and that's kinda cheap, but, there really are others out there who are thinkin'! Not as many as we'd ike, but enough to keep me hopeful!

90 Ace, Quinn and Rose (XM 15 were reading from the blog about an hour ago.  I only caught part of it so I don't know if you were given credit, but it was clear that they were reading your posts on this. 

91 So here's what I'm seeing:

1. Good job, but it'll never get picked up by the mainstream media.
2. Good job, but it just means they'll try harder and be sneakier next time.
3. Good job, but it doesn't matter.
4. Good job, but.
5. But.

92
Factcheck.org has a piece claiming that a McCain ad is false. Why, because McCain accuses Obama of spreading lies about himself and Palin and uses factcheck as proof. "But no," sez factcheck Obama's campaign is not the source of these false rumors about McCain and Palin these just sprouted up on the web.

Guess fucking what.... Yes, Obama's campaign IS the source of net-lies and web-turds and it is being proven every day now.

Good work guys.

93 Whoever submitted this to Fark jumped the gun a bit. IT greened far too early in the morning to get the flamewar it deserved.

Of course, the basic reaction from the Obama supporters is two-pronged. A) Continue the attacks against Palin with slight variations (Well, her husband was a member of a secessionist party!!!) and B) Attack Rusty, et al, as right-wing loons with no credibility (ironic for people who use Kos as their main news source).

I genuinely hope this gets picked up by someone and followed through to the end. You guys have done fantastic work.

94 Fuck it.  Nobody cares.  The Financial system is in ruins and the government is bailing out rich investors.  Sure the blame is bipartisan, but the guy at the helm is a GOP 'er so that is where the blame sticks.  Why not let the black socialist have a try?

Landslide Obama.

It's over boys. Stow away your guns and ammo and wait for the next revolution.

95

The story is starting to get legs.  Insty has a link.  And a newspaper blog

http://www.kxmb.com/News/Nation/277822.asp

The concern trolls are already starting to flail about various blogs.

96

Someone should make sure that PumaPac knows about this-in fact about ALL of the Obama dirty tricks-and that Puma runs with it.  Preaching to the choir (here) is not going to do the trick.

97 Great reporting job, but at the moment Obama could sacrifice a hobo to Cthulhu on the steps of the U.S. Capitol and the MSM would never allow it to see print.

98 We need a video of our own,  along these lines: (NSFW language)

Is this your video, Ethan?
Ethan, is this your video?

We know you closed your account, Ethan!  Is this your video?

You're killing your father, Ethan. (actually he's a co-conspirator but wtf, we're on a role)

This is what happens when you...

99 Just out of curiousity, can someone in the know please lay out exactly what FEC violations were made in regards to this story?

100 OUTSTANDING! Ace, Thanks. 

101

You know, this whole astroturf thing was clever, but Obama's people would be REALLY clever if they got the whole of the media covering their ass for them, running "fact checks" on their opponents while leaving them alone, making up wld stories about McCain and Palin and running them front page, getting big name reporters to tell people to leave Obama alone. 

That would be pretty smart right there. 

102 Unfortunately, I just got back from a business trip, and am NOT up to speed on this at all.

1. Is there any way to get this story on Drudge? That would make it much more difficult to it difficult to ignore since so many outlets (t.v./print) link to and use Drudge stories.

2. Part of the problem (as I see it) would be to make a SUCCINCT, yet compelling synopsis for Drudge as to exactly how the Axelrod/Obama campaign are actively using surrogates to smear the opposition.

103 Its up on NRO.

104

Heh.  I was able to work in a mention of this story  in a brief discussion of first Palin's 60,000 person rally which lead to the story of her Obama supporter email hacker being served which led to me being able to add, "Hey, I am reading that Obama's PR firm is doing you-tube ad's without telling everyone that they are producing them.'

Now I was with several PUMA's and had brought in free chocolate, so the ‘really?’ and such I got in response might be influence by that.  Still, they were not dismissing it as something outlandish.

 

Too bad I didn’t speculate out loud wondering if Obama did this to Hillary in the primaries.

Oh well, I am a moron.  Next time.

 

105

This really doesn't help Michelle's children, nor does it put any gas in Jerry Wright's Porsche.

106

Just an FYI.  A commenter at Patterico's on this story says that the female voice over artist is a union member of SAG. 

Comment #33:

Ed, the person many think did this advert (Anne Gartlan) is indeed an S.A.G. member.

-Juan

107

I hope that someone in the MSM picks up on this- but then again, maybe it won't.

 

 

108 It was Barack's idea. I told him I thought it was stupid and wrong and that I wanted nothing to do with it.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

109 Somebody probably brought this up already, but given that the voice-over was done by a professional suggests that this person was paid.  I don't know much about campaign finance law, but wouldn't this be an in-kind contribution?  I know there is an exception for personal political activities, but once you write a check to someone else, I would think that it is no longer an individual activity and the usual rules for reporting expenses and acknowledging the source of the ad would kick in.

110

Everyone probably knows that Day by Day has it mentioned in their daily strip.

http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/

111 Good work guys!  "This was not the Astroturf I knew"

112 No one fact-checks a regular schnook.

Thank God for that! 

113 Can't believe Jim fucking Geraghty has a half page quote of Ace.  Damn, we've come a long way since talking about star wars and hobo bagging.  Strange shit.

114

and RCP has a link to Jawa in the 'Best of Blogs' section.

 

115 By the way, this Astroturfing behavior is simply the Internet-YouTube version of what the Left has been doing in mainstream media for 100 years. 

Instead of using fake YouTube posters, up till now the Astroturfers have been "reporters." 

116 Not a bit Factcheck.org fan here.  Ever review their "sources"?  Sometimes the sources are whatever news article backs up their claims.  They're just out after page hits like everyone else.  Impartial?  Hardley. In it to make a little cash?  Definitely.  Always follow the money.  Always!

117 One of the most interesting things I learned here this morning is Axelrod's scare campaign on behalf of the utility company for rate hikes. That is some seriously sleazy shit, and calls into question once again Obama's judgement on who he surrounds himself with. Who the fuck would be running the IRS for him? The DOJ? Treasury? Scary to think about it, huh?
Posted by: Brian72 at September 22, 2008 05:18 AM

Yes, scary.

Even scarier...if Obama is elected, then the media becomes his de facto propaganda mill. They already are for his campaign, but covering for a socialist government takes hardcore propaganda efforts - as in "Ministry of Information" hardcore.

There will be no watchdog, no accountability, no checks and balances.

118 Congrats to Ace & the Jawas.  Excellent work, gents.

I hope it opens a few peoples' eyes.

119

I sent the URLs for Ace's post and the Jawa post to the Fox News Channel as a news tip.

It won't result in anything, though.  They'll think it's too involved for a standard news piece, and too many of the items in the story can't be substantiated.

No point in trying to send it to CNN or MSNBC.

120

Ace, as someone commented in the flaming skull thread early, early this morning, you left out a (4)... that all of this happened about a backwater politician in a matter of days that only the conservative blogosphere had been discussing (on the periphery) prior to the surprise announcement.

So the "concerned citizens", none of whom were using Alaskan ISPs etc., were all of a sudden experts going back decades on an unkown politician that the vast majority of Americans (and Canadians!) and the MSM couldn't have named ("Who is the Governor of Alaska?") if there were a $100,000 prize riding on it.

The speed and organisation of the attacks is evidence of them being organised and not just unrelated bloggers, YouTubers etc. posting about something new or hot. (Kind of like how Russia just happened to have its Black Sea fleet at sea and have an organised and supplied army all ready to go on its borders with Georgia when the Georgians launched their retalitory attacks against the separatists.)

[My apologies if anyone's already raised this issue in the comments, above.]

121

It never ceases to amaze me.Republicans are always the party demonized for their "underhanded" election tactics. This misinformation is spread by the MSM, who  report every smear against Republicans and ignore every truth about the Democrats.

We are so fucking tired of this. So fucking tired of having to the job of the MSM. So fucking tired of the hypocrisy. The double standards. So tired of seeing the blatant bias of those who would be the gatekeepers of this election.

Whether McCain wins or loses this election, I think we can safely say that we will never trust the media again

 

122

P.S. The guy is a douche, but how about sending it to Howard Kurtz? Although on a strategic level I could see waiting a few days on that to see if the Right can pin anything more on the Obama campaign first. We don't want to see a strawman of our early Winner ties knocked down and the MSM say, "case solved, nothing to see here" and ignore it for the rest of the campaign.

And Jake Tapper hasn't shown himself to be completely in the tank, so maybe alert him too?

123 As a Concerned Conservative Sith Lord, I find Axlerod's lack of faith in eswinner...distrubing.

124

You da man, Ace!  Nice work.  Nice work to all involved!

 

 

125 This story really goes to the heart of the deception and subterfuge which is the candidacy of  Barack Obama. During the Democretin primaries all we heard about was this allegedly massive "grassroots" wave that arose spontaneously unmediated from "the people" against the corrupt Clinton machine. It was always "grassroots" this and "grassroots" that yadda yadda yadda... and now we know that it was all an elaborate, intricate and skillfully executed deception on a mass scale, perperated with the full complicity and succor of the MSM.

Barack Obama is an marketing trope.

This is an assault against the very foundations of a free, truth-seeking Republic.

126 Quick question, ace.

How the HELL am I supposed to get any work done today now that I'm going to be watching this thing developing all FREAKING DAY LONG?

127 While the detailed work connecting the dots through Winner is impressive, it causes a non-junkie's head to spin.  The simple headline from all of this should be:

Supposed "home made" Palin attack video has same professional narrator as Axelrod's corporate videos.

KISS so my dumb neighbor can "get it".

128 You guys blow at selling, market, social media, etc.... aknot is right... the title should have been something like  "" Supposed "home made" Palin attack video has same professional narrator as Axelrod's corporate videos.""

129

Here's a list of contacts to whom to send this story:

 

mediablog@nationalreview.com <mediablog@nationalreview.com>

nate.fredman@foxnews.com

http://www.prweekus.com/Contact-Us/section/178/

Of course, the Drudge Report and whoever does the advertising column at the Wall Street Journal and the editorial page editor of the New York Sun. .

 

130 I noticed Moby-posts and turfers made their way over to Rusty's high-view post.

Racist comments, plaintive remarks about Palin's flight home to Alaska.
-------

I was never that enthused about McCain. Circumspect about Palin, really. But means-to-an-end people are the most dangerous people on the planet, and I will crawl on broken glass to the polls to vote against him.

I don't like Obama's friends.

131 vote against him = Obama

132 Good lord, who's so stupid as to use their own (somewhat unusual) names in attempting to push through an anonymous smear?

Might as well leave breadcrumbs right back to Urkel X's super secret volcano lair (where all of the jumpsuited thugs are dressed in soothing pastel colors).

If I were Barry, I'd now have Axelrod thrown into the shark tank, or under the bus, as the case may be.

133
I'm sorry, but this is all pretty weak as scandals go. Sure, it's true, but so what? It's just going to lay there like a lox on a plate. Won't affect the election at all. Obama supporters won't care. Obama himself will be able to sidestep it, perhaps even ignore it altogether. Meanwhile conservatives will go blah blah blah, MSM, blah blah blah, MSM, etc, etc.

Hope I'm wrong, though.

134 This sort of thing also happens in newspapers all the time.  I live in a tiny town no one has ever heard of and we regularly get leftwing activist twits submitting letters to the editor of our local paper.  If you do a google search on the text of the letters, it shows up in the online version of lots of papers.  If you search on the name of the author, it's almost always a dem official or leader of some goofy socialist group. (oops, redundant)  They never reveal their affiliations.  Of course, they're just "concerned citizens". They must be concerned, they write letters to newspapers in towns they've never been within a thousand miles of.

135

When it comes to this inter-tubes thing I am as inept as Ted Stevens, so forgive me if this is a dumb question:  Does your traffic meter or some other software track exactly who has visited?  Can you search between the time the post went up through the time Eswinner and company started pulling videos/accounts to see who was checking in here and at Jawa Report?  If these dummies are going to use their real names on Youtube, maybe they troll the blogs the same way.

136 I AM MISSING THE STORY!!!

Sorry to just "yelled," but can someone help me out, please?  Pretty please???

Jawa Report is blocked in Saudi Arabia.  I can't get to it at all because the powers that be, here, think his site promotes "racism and hate."  More like truth, but that is beside the point.

Anyway, here is my request for help, if someone would be so kind...

Please cut and paste the entire article into an e-mail document and send it to me.  Not a link - it will just go to his site and be blocked - but the article.  My e-mail is Sabrasstilettos at yahoo dot com.

I would be very grateful.  Thank you.

BT in SA

137 Wow. This pack of thugs makes me miss those upright, square dealing Clintons. And I'm serious about that. This ass terrifies me.

Also, good job on this story, but I'm with the rest of the eeyore's on this. Unfortunately, it won't do much in the way of bringing down The One.

138 MSM: Gee whiz, we’d love to look into this story some more, but we just got a hot tip from Sarah Palin’s hairdresser’s cousin’s girlfriend’s plumber, who told that stuffed her bra in seventh grade. We have no choice but to wonder what else she’d be willing to deceive the country about.

139 How's about bringing some guns to a knife fight?
1. Barack Obama's medical records. Where are they? What is he trying to hide?
2. Barack Obama and Terrorist William Ayers. Barack Obama lied on national TV about his knowledge of William Ayers. What's the truth? What is he trying to hide?
3. Barack Obama's "lost years". What is he trying to hide?
There's a theme there, if the McCainiacs would just start hopping on it.
We can only hope for the sake of our democracy that someone does hop on it.

140 BTW, We can bring more attention to this story by hitting the "Buzz Up" button on Hot air's link to the story.

141 I do wonder if part of this story was meant to draw out the astroturfing comments and track their IP addresses.  I have no idea, but I'm seeing a lot of suspicious folks here and at Rusty's.

EC, if you go to http://www.annegartlan.com/hype.html it notes that she is an SAG member.  Not sure if it matter much... she was obviously a paid talent, but if this is the right person, I want to know how the legit consumers of her work feel about her smearing Palin with this horrific ad (if you haven't seen it, you should check it out... it's a doozy).

Those who think this is not a big enough deal to destroy Obama: you're right.  We live in times of huge problems economically and with the war, and people care about that a lot more than this.  But Obama isn't trustworthy, and this will play into that at least somewhat.  We do not have the full story yet.  No one knows how far this will go, but given the dumbness of the Winners (no one could be dumb enough to hire them again, right?), I think we'll see a lot more to the story.  They are 'crisis management pros', and they are scrambling like their faces are on fire.  This scandal will go further, in my opinion, and I think it will get pretty juicy.

142

I saw the picture of Ethan S. Winner at Rusty's.

What kind of a douche cocksucker wears a black suit, black shirt, and red tie?  It's like Grandpa Howard describing the Donger's clothes to the police - "No, he's not retarded"...

143 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=David+Axelrod&go=Go

144

#142

 

LOL!!

 

...Oh sexxxxxxxxy gurrrl-friennnnnnnnd!

145 Ace, you magnificent bastard. What other traps have you set?

The nice thing about being an honest man is that you don't have to divert your energies to avoid getting caught. But for Obama and his orcs, every step must be guarded, and every previous step worried about...

146

"eswinner" is not sitting at the computer watching right-wing blogs post stories.

"eswinner" does not have a staff vigilantly monitoring the internet for damaging stories.

Neither, for that matter, does Winner & Associates.

Loose shit.  If nothing else, W&A is the archetypal ad firm for the 24-hour news cycle.  They monitor this shit to specifically tailor their clients' message.  They have to; if they get exposed, their efforts lose the organic homemade feel that is their raison d'etre.  So, yes, I have no doubt that some flack is sitting at his computer monitoring the Internet buzz.  They probably get e-mails from Google et al every hour just to see how often "Winner & Associates" gets mentioned, just to make sure nobody's making them famous.

Besides, you still gave them lead time.  "I didn't mention Winner & Associates in my hints. So why would they be on notice?"  Birds of a feather?  I never drive drunk, but I make more of an effort to buckle my seatbelt, keep under the speed limit, etc. during the semi-annual "Over The Limit: Under Arrest" crackdowns on drunk driving.  Why?  Because cops will easily pull me over for lesser offenses just to go fishing for a DUI.  Similarly, you gave Winner a full-day headstart and even tipped that it would involve astroturfing from a PR firm connected to David Axelrod.  Come on: they're assholes, not idiots.

Now, yeah, the rest of the post, specifically the part about the Winners pulling their ads just as they were on the verge of pulling down "Dramatic Chipmunk"-level YouTube hits, is definitely telling.  Unravel that string.

147

And by being this arrogant and cocky, the entire Obama campaign and it's supporters are gonna drive themselves right off a cliff.

This is big news, which is why no one outside of a few right-leaning commentators will mention it. The MSM will prove that this astroturfing by Axelrod shows how evil Republicans are because loving, wonderful Democrats have to lie, cheat and steal to win elections.

Seriously, this would end a campaign if it weren't Obama and the press weren't all busy sucking his hoo-ha. Since it is The Chosen Sphincter Muscle, this will go down the memory hole and the next bullshit astroturf video will go viral the Friday before election day, meaning no one will find out the truth until it's too late.

I dislike McCain. A lot. I've made no bones about that little fact. However, I'm extremely worried as to where this country will go if the lying cocksuckers in the MSM and the Chicago machine boys from Obama's staff get hold of the Whitehouse. In fact, I'm not sure how we'd recover from such a thing. Black would become white. Up would become down. New Coke would become the "real thing".

148 freetofly, I could not agree more.

149

I see where the Palin video page on Daily Kos has been pulled.

 

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/12/144123/747/563/596410

150

Backtracked/linked at Stubborn Facts. As always, Ace, you rock.

 

151 Lucianne started a thread just for comments on this story.

152 Sounds like Rush isn't going to discuss it. The economy's melting down and the Democrats are trying to engineer a coup and he's talking about football.

153 Astroturfing may violate the <a href="http://www.prsa.org/aboutUs/ethics/preamble_en.html">PRSA Code of Ethics</a>:

"A member shall:

Preserve the integrity of the process of communication.

Be honest and accurate in all communications."

154

Ace, I just realized your teasing of the post set them up.  You helped ensure the evidence of "consciousness of guilt," the rapid disappearing of the vids and accounts afterward.  Your post set-up the quick cover-up which nails the perps.  The faster the cover-up, the better the evidence. 

Heh.     

155 BTW, We can bring more attention to this story by hitting the "Buzz Up" button on Hot air's link to the story.

I can't even find Hot Air's link. Where is it?

156 Face it guys none of this stuff matters. The country is comprehensively financially f##ked under the watch of a GOP president. There is just no way McCain can win so we all better get used to the fact.

157 There is just no way McCain can win so we all better get used to the fact.

I share your concern, Mary

158 Hmmmmm ....

Charles N. Winner (Winner and Associates/Consultant -), (Zip code: 90210) $2000 to ACTBLUE on 03/31/06

CHARLES WINNER (WINNER AND ASSOCIATES/CONSULTANT), (Zip code: 90210) $2000 to MORRISON FOR MONTANA INC on 03/31/06

and <a href="http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?last=WINNER&first=Charles">hmmmm some more</a>

159 oops  There's the link

160

 Face it guys none of this stuff matters. The country is comprehensively financially f##ked under the watch of a GOP president. There is just no way McCain can win so we all better get used to the fact.

 

Yes, Mary, we are fucked.

161 from the Jawa article:

From the Jawa article at top:

"According to Businessweek, one of Axelrod's astroturfing campaigns stealthily spent $15 million convincing Illinois taxpayers that their power would be shut off if they didn't approve an increase in their electric bills. It wasn't until a complaint was filed with the state's regulators that it was revealed that Axelrod's "grassroots" campaign was fully funded by ComEd -- the power company which would benefit from the rate hike."

Ayers.

OMFG.

162

"Face it guys none of this stuff matters. The country is comprehensively financially f##ked under the watch of a GOP president. There is just no way McCain can win so we all better get used to the fact."

Sigh.  I suppose you're right.

163 I.agree. We are so fucked. We might as well vote for Obama and get it over with.

164

13 Cars - $400,000
7 Homes - $9,600,000
1 pair of a shoes - $500

That sinking feeling you have in the pit of your stomach on Nov 4 -

PRICELESS!!

165 Gawd, those astrotufers are in-your-face stupid.  Brazen ignorance.

166

I think Greta Van Sustern might be interested in this story. She seems to really like Palin, and she knows how to handle complicated legal issues. She might be a better go-to person than Sean Hannity ...

167 "Face it guys none of this stuff matters."

Sure,,,why not...give up,,,it's always worked so well before.

168 Does anybody have any Bill O'Reilly contacts? 

This is the kind of stuff that he would LOVE to do a report on.

169 Republicans don't fight back and I have the reasons.

170 Not all of them, you don't.

171
The nation is experiencing a meltdown in the markets and this site is dicking around with some dipshit astroturfing scandal in the Obama camp that nobody's really interested in. And anyone who thinks the crisis on Wall Street "doesn't really affect me in my day to day living at all" is a stupid idiot. It may not affect you yet, but it will, and soon, and it ways that are going to hurt a lot. But go ahead, keep whining about the MSM and how they're biased against conservatives. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's true and it isn't fair. Tough shit.

172 "People with strongly conservative views were three times more fearful than staunch liberals after the effects of gender, age, income and education were factored out."
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-politics19-2008sep19,0,514047.story

At least it's a genetic thing, so there's not anything that you conservatives can do about the fact that at your very core you're nothing but a bunch of scared pussies. Unlike me....who bravely calls people names from behind his keyboard.

173

Hey, Steve, it's not a crisis with Wall Street.  It's a crisis of regulation by Democrats in Congress.  Check out what Barney Frank has been up to lately.

Well, all the dumbshits are coming out of the woodwork today.

174 I know Kasper's a long-time hand, so he's not sowing dissension, but he and MobyLoooo are right to an extent.  IF, and that's a big IF, BO can pin this to Republicans, we're fucked.  But it's a pretty bipartisan group of malefactors in this mess, and BO has the Fannie/Freddy donations as an anchor on his ability to use this attack effectively. 

All in all, the financial crash will either really (REALLY) shake shit up (read: riots and gunfire in which case the election will go to McCain simply by virtue o0f it being too dangerous in the big cities to go vote) or it will pass without much impact on the election. 

Even people who aren't politically savvy that I've talked to know that McCain is not Bush's friend.  Palin cements that status, and makes the ticket appealing to the working and lower middle class demographic.  It's a perfect move.

The only thing that really remains to be seen is whether Biden in fact jumps out so Hillary! can take over.

As for AstroturfAxelrod, this is a good story, and will get picked up some.  Sadly, its impact will only be to make the Dems cover their tracks better, though. I hate teaching them how to do things right.

Good work,  though, RUsty and Ace.

175

Phillip, the NYT says it's your brain that shows up on PET-scans as operating under fear. 

But don't worry.  This process happens just over the horizon of conscious thought processes.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9805E7D9113FF931A1575BC0A9629C8B63

 

176 phillip is about as smart as me.

177 Check out the first comment in this thread:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/22/sandra-bernhard-ugliness-a-blind-black-man-can-see/

Heh. and HEH, HEH, HEH.

178 A donation may be coming your way at the end of the month, just for this.

179

Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at September 22, 2008 01:34 PM (VfQkn)

Of course, you are dead right, Steve.

180

Steve (aka Ed Snate) @#171: The nation is experiencing a meltdown in the markets and this site is dicking around with some dipshit astroturfing scandal in the Obama camp that nobody's really interested in. And anyone who thinks the crisis on Wall Street "doesn't really affect me in my day to day living at all" is a stupid idiot. It may not affect you yet, but it will, and soon, and it ways that are going to hurt a lot. But go ahead, keep whining about the MSM and how they're biased against conservatives. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's true and it isn't fair. Tough shit.

What, exactly, do you suppose Ace can do about the financial crisis? Hmm?  Pretty sure he's mentioned Obama's ties to Fannie and Freddy.  After that, there's not much he can do, since it's out of his hands.  Similarly, how can he act to contain the Wall Street bloodbath so that it doesn't affect us?  Again, I think he's empty there.

But this he can do.  And in case you haven't noticed, conservatives are going to have a hard time winning elections unless bullshit like this stops.

181

#151 Here's the HotAir link, Nice Deb--it's moved to the sticky, left-hand side of the page:

http://tinyurl.com/4dxwdj

 

182 Thank you very much, andycanuk, for the bedtime reading.  Appreciate it.

183

What's the matter, Steve? Not enough IQ to multi-task?

184 You're welcome, BT in SA.

185 That sinking feeling you have in the pit of your stomach on Nov 4

Heh.  Thanks, Mary Loo McPhillips

186 Carl Cameron just mentioned this story on FNC.

187

"this site is dicking around with some dipshit astroturfing scandal in the Obama camp that nobody's really interested in."

"so there's not anything that you conservatives can do about the fact that at your very core you're nothing but a bunch of scared pussies."

By GOD you're both right. 

HOW could I have BEEN so BLIND!?!?!!?

That tears it.  I'm going to take out a second mortgage on my house and give it all to St. Barack of Obama.

188

This just got a mention (albeit in passing) on Fox News. The context was a concall earlier today where Steve Schmidt opened up on the NYT for being in the tank for BHO.  From what Carl Cameron reported, the question Steve was asked was about "some allegations on the blogs that David Axelrod was behind the smearing of Sarah Palin."  'Not sure how/why Schmidt immediately ripped into the NYT, though.

Not exactly a MSM headline, but a mention in less than 24 hours nonetheless.  Not bad.

BTW, I'm fairly new visitor here (though I've visited occasionally over the years).  I'm the world's worst blog lurker... usually too lazy to post, but I love what you guys are doing here. 

189 #179

If you're too new and stupid to recognize Ed, you need to find a different thread to comment in.

Not every disagreement is a moby.

Fool.

Some of us (like me) change nics a lot.  Doesn't mean I haven't been here since 2002.

Ed has even kept his old one in parentheses. 

So really, if you're gonna take a dump on the carpet, at least find out who lives in teh house first.

190 Do you log IP addresses?  If so, it is trivial to track corporate accounts and see who would have been watching during the critical time  periods.

191

Mimeograph, as Ace says, some people can't wield sarcasm well.  I'm sure you're not singling me out, since I'm not the only one to have missed the his point, but I couldn't care less about keeping up with fucking names.  And speaking of shitting on the carpet, pal, I stuffed the first ten dollar bill in Ace's tip jar.  Howz that grab ya', smartboy? 

   

192 No, rd, I'm not singling you out at all.  Calling Ed out for pessimism and defeatism is fine.  I'm not suggesting you have to keep up with names.  (I don't)

But when we have an influx of folks who insist on shouting down any disagreement and call people liars and traitors (mobies), then it's a bit irritating.  Questioning someone's bona fides when the questioner is utterly ignorant is very much akin to shitting on a carpet when you don't know who lives there.

And I proudly wear my AOS t-shirt, even to this day (my kids call it the pirate shirt).  That's how it grabs me.

PS - nice to see you "out of the  woodwork too", my fellow moron.




 

193

For the benefit of those who don't hang here all the time, the irony might be better signposted.  Keep the inside jokes, whatever they may be, but keep in mind your other readers.

And I have two shirts, one with and one without the Mencken; the cowbell was my idea, and I won the first poetry contest.  And my penis is larger.

194 Alright.  So now I’ve read the story – but didn’t get to see the pictures [not complaining!].

I don’t mind being late to the party, here…  And y’all can call me naďve or “just another dumb blonde,” but if it was so easy for one company to do this for the alleged “chosen one,” why hasn’t any one done this for John McCain [other than most members of the GOP just are not willing to stoop so low – that we have some morals and ethics and all that – but politics being what it is…]?  And, beside the fact, that if a Republican did it, it would be front page news on every single paper in the entire world tomorrow.

Honestly, with all that is going on – in the “chosen one’s” favor, I don’t even see how we stand a chance – no matter who our Party’s candidate is. 

And, thankfully for blogs, I do get some news.  And try to keep up…  [Of course, it’s not always easy with so many blogs being blocked by Websense – the most useless program in the entire universe, as far as I am concerned – we wouldn’t want to be able to see what the rest of the world is up to, now would we!?!?]  I can’t stand to watch CNN International and Fox News is on – a lot – when our satellites are not being blocked [they are, currently, it being Ramadan and all…  Bastards!  Not Fox, the powers that be, here in Saudi Arabia].

There is my Riyal or so…  It’s worth about .37 in U.S. Dollars.

Andycanuk, again, thanks for the info.  Oh, and what you asked, yep, you got it.

195

"Questioning someone's bona fides when the questioner is utterly ignorant is very much akin to shitting on a carpet when you don't know who lives there."

mea culpa. 

196 Face it guys none of this stuff matters. The country is comprehensively financially f##ked under the watch of a GOP president. There is just no way McCain can win so we all better get used to the fact.

"We"?

First, around here "we" just come out and say "fucked," you fucking pantywaist.

Second, Ace's web host installed hashes that trace your posts, you fucking maroon, so you are even more transparently Astroturfing when you first try to get all chummy with this "we" shit, Moby, then turn around and starting quoting bullshit psychological studies about conservatives.  It's too bad that the title of "Professor Science" is already taken by a couple of people already, but you make a decent second runner-up. 

197 rd, you might be right about everything else, but I know your penis isn't bigger.

Your mom told me so.


ba dum dum.

(did ace just have a little ddos attack?)

And btw, I love the Concerned Christian jokes, but I don't think it was sarcasm.  Since our buddy apologized, it means he's shown weakness and must be attacked mercilessly.  No, seriously, the "moby" charges are often accurate, but not in ed's case.  I've always respected ed's view of the markets, since it seems to be all he does is daytrade.  If he says we're in for a rough ride, it's not good. 

Anyway, I think he's wrong to attack ace for engaging in his obsessive-compulsive jihad against AstroturfAxelrod, but we already knew that about ace.  Remember the sockpuppet week?

Ellers Ellery will never show his face in here again *sniff*

He's on a good story, and one that can do a small amount of damage to BO around the margins.  If the only result is a lessening of this idiotic astroturfing, it will be a good thing.  Besides, I went to teh range yesterday, so I did my part to prepare for the upcoming collapse (I gave it a few more years before it happened, 2015-2025 was always my guess)


 

198 And there is no doubt in my mind that MaryLoo is a paid member of Obambi's staff or one of the Winners

199 As a lifelong Leftist sleaze merchant, I'm deeply concerned about exposing my junk to a bunch of snotty-nosed, basement-dwelling masturbators.  You greedy little cocksuckers, covered in your Cheeto filth, need to hose the fuck down and take some vitamin D supplements.  ...this Vast Right Wing Conspiracy doesn't exist, doesn't exist,... doesn't exist...

b-b-b-b-b-b-br!

200 Well, I'm a huge fan but I've never donated cause... well, I'm poor. Still, there is one possibility here: there's at least some staff on this bozo's payroll that is trolling the internet for "astroturf" and "axelrod" and checking every site.

201 Ace, I think it's time to start trapping all IP addresses coming here.  And then start posting in the left hand frame all DNC and Obama posters from those domains.  If they come in from proxy servers, then reverse proxy away.

Charles Johnson did that when the Reuters sock puppets were causing trouble at his site.  You may want to send Charles a note.

202 The Right is so insidethe Left's OODA loop I think I just shot one on my own feet.

203 What do you call a Concern Troll with clinical depression?

No, seriously, what do you call that?

204

What do you call a Concern Troll with clinical depression?

A winner.

205

And i would have gotten away with it if weren't you meddling kids and your blogger too

 

/eswinner

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