1

It's too bad this story wasn't about GOP ops being smart enough to do this shit.

That'd make news.  A lefty cheating?  What's your point?

I see nothing, and the MSM will see nothing.

Sad, but true.  Where are our hackers, Crackers and Kos crazys?

2 Wouldn't it be easier to drug Joe Biden and put a dead hooker in his hotel bed?

3 Wouldn't it be easier to drug Joe Biden and put a dead hooker in his hotel bed?

A dead hooker would help Joe Biden's image at this point.

4

I'm thinking this situation is just convoluted enough to avoid any real public interest.  Kind of like Whitewater. Legit, but devoid of sexiness.

-T

5
Thank God this is exposed before the election so it can be dealt with while it matters. Mr Axelrod needs to be taught a lesson, so dems can see that there are consequences.

I know, I'm a racist for not acknowledging the "Get out of Criticism" card.

6 "Percy later filed suit with the FEC, alleging that Goland illegally coordinated with Percy."
coordinated with *Simon*
I love the astroturfing story about the rate hikes - I a Concerned Christian© concerned about blackouts!

7 Sounds like this story maybe why the Obama camp was so upset and was screaming the McCain camp was behind the INDEPENDENT  "Dear Mr Obama" UTube video by Joe Cook came out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8

8

Ace,

We, Who Are About to Implement this Important Action Alert, Salute You !!!!,  

your commentariat.

9 As a concerned Christian Jew who has always voted for the candidates from the Whig party, I'd like to know if it is too late to chime in about the validity of the story based on assumptions?  I'd like to voice my opinion about the facts of the story before I know what those facts are.  I hope it's not too late...

10 Wouldn't it be easier to drug Joe Biden and put a dead hooker in his hotel bed?


Joe Biden would just ask the dead hooker to stand up, then laugh it off. "Everybody stand up for the dead hooker!"

11 Ramming speed.
Prisoners......
Nah.

12 Percy later filed suit with the FEC, alleging that Goland illegally coordinated with Percy
You need to replace the second Percy with Simon.

I remember the 1984 campaign. There were billboards with a Camaleon that was supposed to be Percy. I forget what the issue was but the point was that shit was being thrown at Percy while Simon had clean hands. In the closing days of the campaign Percy ran an ad saying "I got the message." Axelrod worked on the Simon campaign.

In 1992 a guy named Al Holfeld ran in the dem primary against Alan Dixon and Braun. He ran negative ads against Dixon only and Braun won. Braun's hands were clean.

In 2004 The Chicago Tribune got Republican challenger' Jack Ryan's divorce records unsealed. The same Tribune did NOT request John Kerry's sealed divorce records. BTW Axelrod used to be a reporter at the Chicago Tribune. The embarrasing disclosure from the divorce records caused Ryan to drop out of the race. Republican leaders decided bring in Maryland resident Alan Keyes was a brilliant idea and Obama subsequently won the general election with over 60% of the vote.

DO WE SEE A PATTERN HERE?

13 David Axelwho now?  Axlerod?  Never heard of him.  A lot of people that I've never met contributte to the campaign.  I'm just that mgnetic.

14
Joe Biden would just ask the dead hooker to stand up, then laugh it off. "Everybody stand up for the dead hooker!"

That is made of fun and win.

15 Could we call it something besides Astro-turfing?

How about Monkey-Humping?

That freakin' guy Axelrod has been Monkey-Humping wesbsites all over the blogosphere!

That headline my friend will get readers!

16 A dead hooker would help Joe Biden's image at this point.

Especially if CSI-Dover found she was killed by a Berreta over and under.

17 Hopefully this story can get some traction.  Looking forward to it, Ace.

18 Wait, Chicago politics is dirty pool????

Say it ain't so!!!

19 Jesus, Fannie Mae had every stinking lobbying and PR firm in the country on its payroll at one time or another.  I have a contact or two who used to work at Fannie who might be willing to squeal on this.  They have all lost their shirts on the Fannie stock they owned and they are pissed. 

20 I love the astroturfing story about the rate hikes - I a Concerned Christian© concerned about blackouts!

RACIST!!!

21 If we can find some shit Axelrod pulled on Hillary in the primaries it would cement the PUMA vote too. 

22 Rockmom-

Get them Ace's e-mail. QUICKLY.

23 Captain Hate,

The problem is Biden's up in Wilmington, not in Lower Slower Delaware.

As for CSI-Dover, they just announced that it took them six months to find a kid that was spray painting "King Poop" on fifty-some odd buildings.  Make of that what you will.

24

I'm sure you all noticed that the obvious astroturfing on this blog site and a few other comment sections has really seemed to slack off in the past few days once the posters were exposed and mercilessly mocked.  I do hope a bunch of useful IP addresses were captured before that. Newspaper and newsmagazine comment sections and the "letters to the editor" columns everywhere are still lousy wuth astroturfers, though. Examples are plentiful. Axelrod will be rich whether Obama wins or loses the election.

Separate, but related----People hot on the Penny Pritzker trail should definitely research the recent Chicago Childrens' Museum stories in the Tribune.  The politics and PR pressure in that episode exhibited some telltale signs.  Just sayin'.

 

 

25 Axelrod is tied in with the Chicago Daley political machine.
William Daley was Gore's 2000 prez chairman.

Did Axelrod create 'the election was stolen' message?

26 well you know axelrod's ASK was handling the chicago children's museum astroturfing, right?

How did Penny Pritzker get involved?

27 I'm sure you all noticed that the obvious astroturfing MONKEY-HUMPING on this blog site...

Screw it, I now have my own campaign.

28 let me guess how the reaction to this story will go:

Obama - "This is not the David Alexrod I knew"
MSM - "Yes, my lord and master.  Hey I heard Palin isn't breastfeeding Trig!  What a scoop!"

29 With four weeks to go, when will the gop give up their skirts and fight back, loud and hard.  It will be whining as usual in November....man up, hack something, investigate something, make a scene, pitch a fit...does sweet sarah have to do all of the fighting for the gop.

30 On the bright side and stolen from HotAir comments:

I attended, people were there from all over Cen. Fla, was crazy….the organizers underplanned so logigistics sucked, we ended up walking 3 miles from parking to the event…even had to climb a fence with barbed wire…and one had to be constantly on the lookout for golfcarts whizzing crazily by…saw peolple walking along waving $20 at the carts hoping to be picked up…

Was hot as hell, surprised we didn’t see more people overcome by the heat…more than a few grumpy people…the line to get into the secured area where tickets were needed was too long to endure..

All that said, it was AWESOME, history in the making, young and old there, a huge party once you got to where she was speaking…lots of energy, well worth all the hassle! She is the future of our party.

CinnamongirlUF 

31

 I wonder just how many people at Fannie Mae lost money on the stock.

An SEC investigation seems in order, as I suspect that few executives lost anything. This smells much like Enron.

As for tracking down Axelrod's clients, his competitors (I wonder if Jack Ryan can name a few) are likely to know them, and one or two of them might talk.

But the days of only the big boys being able to produce commercials are long gone.  It's simple enough to create something for YouTube or LiveLeak, with the chance that the better ones will be picked up for national broadcast.

This approach changes the job of political operatives with money from having to gather material and create ads to simply selecting the ones they like, contactng the producers to make arrangements, then paying for national and regional TV and cable ad time.

32 What's sad is that the generation y kids have been pwnd by Obama/Axelrod/Ayers/etc...

33 Wouldn't it be easier to work backwards if you're looking for campaign shenanigans? Start with the campaign laws and then go through their disclosure and finance forms.

I've been wondering how the campaign finance reform crap is going to play out.

34 Is sharing a house the new way of saying ten ghey?

35

Sarah is drawing crowds, Drudge noted Sunday a crowd of 60,000 in a Florida rally Where the all Concerned Conservatives?

I wonder why the MSM doesn't note that story ..... huh

36 If this turns out to be one of those "Drink more Ovaltine" fits of anticipation, I swear to god, someone's going to get a firmly worded letter.

37

NOtably, the more dirty shit from the O campaign is exposed, the more his numbers seem to skyrocket

Basically, O would have to get caught shitting on a flag at the Vietnam memorial while banging mcauley caulkin to swing the vote at this point

38 And how is Talking Points Memo getting the stuff they are using in their videos?  That's some slick stuff for some guy blogging from his basement.

39 What's sad is that the generation y kids have been pwnd by Obama/Axelrod/Ayers/etc...

Nah, most kids tend to be liberal when you're younger. I know I was. Some get engaged, start thinking, become more conservative or at least less liberal, and others go in the opposite direction.

It tends to be close. Reagan had some very bad candidates to run against, and Reagan rocked. But most elections will be close. Hopefully not 2000 close, but close.

But there are always new conservatives, even young conservatives. Certainly, youth tends to vote for liberals, but even then . . . 4 or 8 years of Obama would have a lot of kids who voted for Obama voting for President Palin in 2012 or 2016.

But there are always going to liberal moonbats, and crazy people who claim to be right-wingers but usually aren't even close. And we'll never reach them, but no matter what the Obama's say, those folks they are recruiting . . . well, about half of them will feel different about the Commucrats after a year or two of watching all their paychecks disappear into the federal maw, and finding the principals of liberal thought that so inspire them are trampled on mercilessly by left politicians in the pursuit of power. Lots of them are too young to have seen it yet. But they will. Oh, they will.

40 NOtably, the more dirty shit from the O campaign is exposed, the more his numbers seem to skyrocket

Not to nitpick, but you may not know what "skyrocket" means.

41 This better be big Ace.  I'm getting killed in fantasy and could use some good news.

42 I wonder just how many people at Fannie Mae lost money on the stock.

An SEC investigation seems in order, as I suspect that few executives lost anything. This smells much like Enron.

Hundreds, maybe thousands.  Fannie Mae had a very generous stock program for employees just like Enron did, and many of the longtime middle managers and recent retirees were paper millionaires.  The stock traded betweeen $50-75 for several years.  A lot of people thought it would go up when the subprime market froze up because Fan and Fred were the only funding sources for anything, so they bought even more stock.  I was told that AIG owned a ton of it.  Lots and lots of pension fiunds and 401(k)s owned it too. 

I have a very close friend who worked for Fannie for 15 years and lost $460,000 - pretty much her entire retirement fund.  Nobody ever thought that company would end up broke.

43 Hey Ace, why the fuck is your site carrying ads for Obama? Do they really think they are going to get any traffic from here? 

44 #43

Firefox + Adblockplus.

Problem solved.

45

>Wouldn't it be easier to drug Joe Biden and put a dead hooker in his hotel bed?

I'll get right on it.

46 Anyone know why the Gallup poll that showed Obama up 6 points a few days has disappeared ? The link happens to be invalid now and I can't find the poll.... werid.

47 Lol, like at other right leaning sites Obambi advertises on, its just a waste of his money.

Everytime you see an ad, just think thats money he COULD be spending at other sites where he MIGHT change a vote or two, cause he won't get many here.

48 Maybe it's a story with a twist like M. Knight Shamalan's.  Could it be that Obama is dead but doesn't know it yet?  God knows Biden is.

49 Frankly, I think it's at least half-way important to downplay the significance of this future story.

Beyond that goal-post setting, I also think it's important for all independents to realize that, while watching the Muppets, they were actually cheering for Henson, and not the inanimate objects with fists up their asses.

So, if Henson/Axelrod is what we all know he is?  Well, his puppet/You-can-see-the-strings-Jesus is infinitely sadder and more shallow than even that very low mark.

50 The three worked and lived together in Ohio during the successful 2006 campaign to elect Rep. Sherrod Brown to the Senate.

The candidate Jermoe Armstrong worked for too, right?

51 rockmom, if Obama wants to give Ace money, I think that's wondeful!

I run adblock, so I never see that stuff, but what a hilarious thought. 

And as for those of you who are upset that Obama is picking up in the polls: read the polls more carefully.  Obama has lost ground in nearly all constituencies.  He's gaining in the overall because the pollsters are rebalancing the polls according to their view of how many voters are democrat or republican.  Obama is still losing ground, and if these polls had been formulated the same way a few weeks ago, Mccain wouldn't have been in the lead at all.

Mccain is gaining steadily, and just because some poll says Obama is regaining momentum doesn't mean it's true. 

52 Yeah, yeah, I realize that I go with a hyphen on simple compound words.  Can't help it.  I'm very slow to recognize the legitimacy of new-fangled compound words.

And I'm a moron.

53 Blah. This is not the story I've heard bubbling up recently, but it's about on a par with it. As in, very commendable and cool that original reporting is being done by conservative blogs. Everything has to start somewhere and it's good if independent people do the work the MSM refuses to do.

However, I have to differ with your evaluation of this story as a "mid-level" important story. Outside of a dozen righty blogs who will link to it for one day. Still, I guess every drop in the bucket adds up eventually. Good work Rusty.

54 re: Shill
Yeah, I read the Wizbang post that came to that conclusion, but I didn't find it particularly convincing.

What I think is McCain's saving grace is the Bradley factor, meaning if Obama's not up 10pts on election day eve, he's in real trouble.

55

Ace said this wasn't superbig, kind of a meh. 

When the concern trolls got big, the question was out on lots of blogs - hey, this looks a lot like astroturfing, and hey, isn't that Axelrod guy practically the inventor of astroturfing? 

Sounds like Rusty and them started digging and hit something, maybe even smoking gun good, but even if it is unassailable proof, its is just that there is some astroturfing behind the Obama campaign.  Which we all sort of suspected here for a while now. 

Press isn't going to care about this at all because they are grazing on all the synthetic grass they can get.  But you know what they love?  A simple story about lying.  (well, that and some photogenic chick disappearing)  So having astroturfing as a secret is not exactly a lie, it is clever campaign maneuvering or some horsehockey like that.  But get them into a "perjury trap" for lack of a better word.  Get someone to ask and get a denial on videotape, and then expose it. 

That would be how to play it.  But now they know the gig is up on this, and they'll shred the payments and move onto the next trickery. 

 

 

56 Just wondering... does clicking on Obama's ad take money out of Obama's wallet and put it in Ace's?

If so... and if it's relatively unlimited... I see a stellar opportunity here.

I won't try it till Ace confirms... but Ace, if that is indeed the case, your moron hordes await your command.  Heh.

Qwinn

57 Racist

58 Where are our hackers, Crackers and Kos crazys?

You rang?

59 I've given up giving a hoot (pardon my language) what the press does or doesn't care about. I just want to know what's going on. If these guys are making piddles in our pool, we need to point out the spreading yellow cloud.

60 The problem with "their own medicine" is that Republicans would be displeased if a Republican politician were so slimy and dishonest. On the other hand, Democrats are disappointed if a Republican politician is slimy and dishonest.

No, that wasn't a typo.

For Democrat pols, there isn't a downside to slime - their base has a good giggle, and the MSM is part of their base.

The Republicans not only have to remain scrupulous (or as near as they can get), they have to overcome the MSM to get the word out about Dem perfidy even to their own base - the only people who care.

To re-iterate, the Republicans have to fight to get past the Gatekeepers just to get the votes of their own base.

Sucks, don't it?

Wishing I had fought past the gatekeepers at J-school trying to keep everyone not "on the team" out - didn't seem worth it at the time.

61

Whoa...Ruth Marcus in Washington Post pwns Obama on the Social Security whoppers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/21/AR2008092101207.html

62 Good idea Qwinn!

63 Dead hooker?

As someone said, he'll ask her to stand up, and then do a little vaudeville - and get away with it.

We'd go with a live boy.

64 #60 - to be fair, Rove's f___erprints really were all over the Swift Boat ads in 2004, and the Bush people really did do some nasty push-polling on McCain's daughter in 2000.  Don't think Republicans are without sin.  There are very few "independent expenditure" campaigns oin either side that really are independent.  They use the same ad agency, or producer, or fundraising company, or whatever.  It's all a big game to skirt the rules without frontally assaulting them.  But Mr. New Politics Of Hope And Change And Light promised not to do shit like this.

65 Seriously, so the Swift Boaters lied?

66 and the Bush people really did do some nasty push-polling on McCain's daughter in 2000.

I'm unconvinced of this.  I've not seen or heard evidence that they happened other then urban legend.

67 #66 I haven't either.

68 So we should assume the Trig story and other ugly smears against Palin are basically Axelrod's work? If so, I hope that Sarah field dresses that slimeball.

69 #60 - to be fair, Rove's f___erprints really were all over the Swift Boat ads in 2004,

I disagree.  The SBV went to the media in the spring which promptly blew them off. They then wrote/released the book and solicited donations off the internet.People gave them money because we believed they told the truth. Yes, they got some money from a big time repub doner, but the movement was almost entirely grassroots.

70 This story better be up soon because I've already flogged my noodle 2 3 4  times to internet porn and I don't think I can get it up ag....




uh...did you guys know there are tit shots of the Who's the Boss girl available?


BRB

71 docweasel, what was unconvincing about it?

Just curious.  It wasn't an opinion, it was a fact.  Obama has lost ground with every single demographic except the single point he gained on the extreme left.  he lost ground with the conservative dems, the independents, and all of the republicans.  There is no way around the fact that Obama has not turned the ship around... either he was ahead of Mccain the whole time (the voters were balanced wrong then) or he isn't ahead of him now (the voters are balanced wrong now).

I mean, if you're just saying all polls are crap, well, you're right.  And you're also right that the Bradley effect makes my thoughts and everyone else's thoughts not worth much... no one really knows what's going to happen.  But still, the recent uptick in Obama's polls are not actually based on any data... Mccain is still gaining, but the pollsters think there are more democrats than they thought last week.

72 Please, oh please Lord, let us stop being such fucking stooges and worrying about our (infinitely better) ethics.  We could nuke three or four blue state cities and still be ahead in that hand-wringing game.

Don't worry.  We all get to go to heaven... if we haven't raped our prom dates like Axelrod.  True story.

Well, maybe not.  Maybe Saint Peter is concerned about reaching the conservative pussy limit upstairs.  Something to consider.

73 In the meantime...

A Grand Jury in Chattanooga could reportedly hear testimony this week into the alleged hacking of the personal e-mail of Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

The Knoxville News-Sentinel said the FBI is investigating the possibility that a University of Tennessee student who is the son of a state legislator from Memphis carried out the hacking.

The report said FBI agents raided the apartment of David Kernell early Sunday morning.

It said friends of Kernell were interviewed, and said they are due to testify about the case in Chattanooga this week.

A federal grand jury is set to convene in Chattanooga on Tuesday.

Kernell is the son of Memphis Democrat Mike Kernell, who acknowledged that his son is being investigated.


LUN

74 Crap.  somebody help me out here.  I just caught a story about Biden's speeches around the country and I think he's still plagiarizing.  He said his grandpa said it, but I swear this is some comedians act. 

Often, he notes that he understands the personal toll of job loss and economic hardship by quoting one of his grandfather’s sayings: When a guy in the nearby town loses his job, “it’s an economic slowdown. When your brother-in-law loses his job, it’s a recession. When you lose your job, it’s a depression.”

75 Kat:

Nice.

76 You know what is weird?

Ace is turning into the attack dog that I was hoping for in Palin.  Go Ace. 

Cough*Sarah, heed the darkside*Cough

77 "By now Harry Truman is generally considered the author of this familiar saying. He has also been credited with such quips as "I don't care what they say about me as long as they spell my name right," and "It's a recession when your neighbor loses his job; it's a depression when you lose your own." Both are old saws that were hardly original to Truman if he ever said them at all. But because they "sound like" him, and he is well known to us, Truman's name has routinely been attached to words that weren't his. This is a common fate of public figures"

from: http://www.ralphkeyes.com/pages/books/niceguys/excerpt.htm

So, Biden's Grandpa got it from Truman, who never said it? lol

Still, its not original.

78

#74 Often, he notes that he understands the personal toll of job loss and economic hardship by quoting one of his grandfather’s sayings: When a guy in the nearby town loses his job, “it’s an economic slowdown. When your brother-in-law loses his job, it’s a recession. When you lose your job, it’s a depression.”

Ronald Reagan used that gag in 1980.  The final line went: "And when Jimmy Carter loses his job, it's a recovery."  No way Biden heard that from his grandfather.  What an idiot.

79 I guess it was Reagan who added the "And a recovery is when Carter loses his job!"

80

Expectation:  BANG!

Realization:  _Whimper

Thin gruel, Ace!  

The MSM will print this revelation in a tiny squib  at the bottom of  Page 11, Sec D, near the Tides, Horoscopes and Anagram PUzzle

Olbermann will gleefully report Der Speigel's reaction as "Ja?  Und?"

Bill Maher will ignore it entirely, and do what he does each night at the Playboy mansion, which is to scream "Barry!  Barry!" into the camera at the critical moment.

The moving middle fingers flip, and having flipped, move on.......

 

 

 

81 So we should assume the Trig story and other ugly smears against Palin are basically Axelrod's work?

Sounds like a theory.

82 HI ROCKMOM!

83 If you don't think Palin's an attack dog, watch her acceptance speech again. You know Obama has. He's got it memorized by now.

84 Revelation's not out yet.

85 She's an attack dog, but it's still on the "he'll raise your taxes" level when we want it to be on a "he has a terrorist buddy" level.

86 So, Joey's grandpa was either Ronald Reagan or Harry Truman?

87 We've got it narrowed down to two. Which is more than Grandma ever did.

Kidding! Kidding!

88 Good thing the Yankees are still on. I'm getting tired......

89 is this bigger than rezko ayers wright johnson and pritzker?

if they can't knock obama down a notch what can?

well, i sure hope u 'n rusty have something.

we sure need it.

90 Yeah, I agree, Palin has shown great potential.

Now I want her on national television like this:

Asshole: Is it true that you think a dinosaur killed Jesus?

Palin:  Sorry, what's that?  Anyways, Ayers loves killing Americans; Obama loves Ayers.  Wright hates the United States; Obama hates having to admit it.

Palin:  I'm sorry, did I distract you?

91 I'm thinking it's going to be "good to know", unless they got their hands of Axelrod's client list.

92 One of the things that shouted "astroturf" about the 1984 ad was that the guy didn't violate any rules. No '08 attached to the Barack Obama splashscreen, etc.

93 Well I for one want to see some slime ads thrown at the dims.

I want to see an add where Obama is super imposed over a poppy field with a turban on and a voice over comes up and says.

"Obama might be one of the largest importers of opium in the country"
"And he masticates everyday"

And then I could go watch a thousand heads explode over in the swamps.
Good times!

K

94 Man, this is like a big Harry Potter rumor party!

At least, in the sense that I dominate the conversation.

95 this is in Ace's link above about the Digital Blue - the place the 1984 viral video maker worked

Joe Rospars
Founding Partner

A BSD founding partner, Joe has since January 2007 been on leave from BSD while serving as the New Media Director for Barack Obama's Presidential campaign, where he supervises a staff of technologists and strategists who continue to break records in online fundraising and grassroots mobilization.

Joe leads a team that has set a new standard for campaigns with a wide-ranging program that includes multimedia content, web and print design, text messaging, mass email, online advertising, and online organizing both on the campaign's own social network, My.BarackObama.com, and on sites like Facebook, MySpace and BlackPlanet.

link under my handle

96 #93 and his epidermis is showing!!

97

Meanwhile, Maverick is out there kicking us in the nuts again.  Andrew Cuomo as head of the SEC? 

Jeebus. 

Son your mouth is writing checks your electorate won't cash. 

98 Sorry if this is a repeat at this blog, I missed it so heh. Just heh.

99 Blaster,

I did hear about that. Next: he promises to sign the Employee Free Choice Act, as long as it has a guestworker program attached.

I just know it.

100

Hope it is something I can explain in a sentence or two.

That means,  moron level.

101 C'mon Ace...I'm almost there. Give it to me...now!

102 is this bigger than rezko ayers wright johnson and pritzker?

if they can't knock obama down a notch what can?

Amazing, isn't it?  He should be dead in the water with those kind of friends.

103 Rusty said it may be later than midnight.

104 And he was right!

105 He clearly meant midnight central time.

You know... where America lives.

106 Central time??? FOOK!

107 Other possiblity: Ace/Rusty don't go on Daylight Savings Time. If so, good for them.

108

Crap. Hurry up and wait.

Well, at least I got to see the 60,000+ FL Plain crowd story.

That, and the sweet Dallas win, makes me happy.

109 The Ryder Cup was pretty sweet too.

110 If anyone's still waiting up, the Wall Street Journal has its Monday editorials up.

If ya wanna pass the time.

111 Tony Romo was born and raised cheesehead.  That's why he'll throw the NFC championship game for us later this year.  Manchurian quarterback.

Okay, now I'm clearly off topic: Atari Bigby, of the Packers, his mom was a big Yars Revenge fan or something?

112 IT UP AT RUSTY"S

113 Midnight ET or maybe a bit after

Any minute now

114

I now suspect a conspiracy to permanently damage my mouse click finger.

I'm beginning to suffer from repetitive refresh disorder.

115 Hope, Change, & Lies: Orchestrated "Grassroots" Smear Campaigns & the People that Run Them

Extensive research was conducted by the Jawa Report to determine the source of smears directed toward Republican Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin. Those smears included false allegations that she belonged to a secessionist political party and that she has radical anti-American views.

Our research suggests that a subdivision of one of the largest public relations firms in the world most likely started and promulgated rumors about Sarah Palin that were known to be false. These rumors were spread in a surreptitious manner to avoid exposure.

It is also likely that the PR firm was paid by outside sources to run the smear campaign. While not conclusive, evidence suggests a link to the Barack Obama campaign. Namely:

Evidence suggests that a YouTube video with false claims about Palin was uploaded and promoted by members of a professional PR firm. The family that runs the PR firm has extensive ties to the Democratic Party, the netroots, and are staunch Obama supporters. Evidence suggests that the firm engaged in a concerted effort to distribute the video in such a way that it would appear to have gone viral on its own. Yet this effort took place on company time. Evidence suggests that these distribution efforts included actions by at least one employee of the firm who is unconnected with the family running the company. The voice-over artist used in this supposedly amateur video is a professional. This same voice-over artist has worked extensively with David Axelrod's firm, which has a history of engaging in phony grassroots efforts, otherwise known as "astroturfing." David Axelrod is Barack Obama's chief media strategist. The same voice-over artist has worked directly for the Barack Obama campaign.

This suggests that false rumors and outright lies about Sarah Palin and John McCain being spread on the internet are being orchestrated by political partisans and are not an organic grassroots phenomenon by the left wing fringe. Our findings follow.

116 Wow, let's hear it for Rusty.

Where to now?

Grapevine with Hume?

It's own viral ad?

117

I wish jawa and his merry pranksters would jam DU and Kos like they do the jihadi sites

FOR FUN

FOR FUN y'unnerstan

118 wow, just read the whole thing.  Pretty amazing.  But why would a bigtime PR pro use such obvious sockpuppet names on YouTube?  Just askin'.........,aybe these clowns really thought they could throw so much shit at Palin so fast that she would crumble and drop out?

119 Anyways, I don't care so much that Rusty could not find a direct connection to Axelrod.  This bullshit should be enough to ruin the Winners and we should be swarming their other clients to get them fired.  At least they won't be doing this stuff anymore and Axelrod will have to find someone else to do his dirty work.

120 these clowns really thought they could throw so much shit at Palin so fast that she would crumble and drop out?

Legitimately and seriously, I do believe that was precisely their initial aim.  That was how things successfully worked for them in Chicago and they thought they could repeat it on the national stage.

121 You really ARE a bunch of morons!!!!

Obama ads -- click them EVERYWHERE you see them! Internet ads don't pay unless they are clicked, simply displaying them does nothing.

No blogger will tell you to click those ads on their site because their term-of-service agreements say they won't do that.

When you see an Obama add on a page, CLICK IT! Yes, it costs his campaign money and some of that goes to the site hosting the ad.

A few days ago on Fox they had a brief bit about the Obama campaign paying for certain search terms so that they'd go to the official site and people could see the official answer. They PAY FOR THAT!

So google "barack obama religion" then click on the sponsored link to find out the campaign's version of the story. Yes, it costs them money. DO it often.

Morons. Fuckin' morons.....

122

Read it.  Even managed to grasp most of it. 

I'll have to think about how to explain it in a sentence or two.

Be nice to chat with that voice actress.

youtube-gate? astrogate? 

Crap.  I think I will go read it again.

123 Legitimately and seriously, I do believe that was precisely their initial aim.  That was how things successfully worked for them in Chicago and they thought they could repeat it on the national stage.

See, that's what's been bugging me. It's abated some now, but that first 7-10 days, it was just a torrent of this nonsense. Way too much to be spontaneous, especially considering most people had never heard of her before. Suddenly there are self-described experts in the comments of every single blog I visit? Hell, Fark had so many submissions of that idiotic "Palin's not the real mother" post from the Daily Kos, even they started getting irritated.

But yeah, it worked in Chicago, so they figured it'd work nationally. Except they forgot they've got a lot more pairs of eyes looking at them now.

124 Jim, you should compare your incoming IPs with Ace and Patterico.  We all (general readers) consider you old school funny but don't comment because we're scared of you.  They're probably not, because they don't know who you are.

As a percentage, more of your cynical/suspect comments are probably astroturfed.

125 Well, the few times I've opened comments over the last few weeks, I haven't gotten any that seem astroturfy...

126 Looks like its back on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSsYwNWlt4M

127 re: Shill
So you are agreeing with the Whizbag's theory that _every single poll_, Gallup, Ras, Quinni, CBS, Zog, Dielo or w/e, they are all going up Obama by the same amount, 3-6pts, but they are all doing it just because the numbers are going in the OPPOSITE direction, but they are all changing their weighting to make it appear that Obama is in the lead? And I guess they will keep weighting Dems as much as it takes to keep Obama in the lead, at least on paper?

Sorry, I just dont' buy it. These guys _do_ have reputations to uphold and clients who expect accurate results. Sure, some of them are shilling for the Dems, but I refuse to believe that every single independent poll is purposely falsifying the results to keep Obama in the lead. So they can all look like idiots on election day? They do plan on staying in business after Nov 4 I would think. They do want to attract clients and a monster data point to brag about is who comes closest to the final result.

It just doesn't make sense. McCain may very well be ahead, who the heck really knows, but the Whiz-dude's logic saying he's actually gaining when he's going backwards in every single poll I've seen in the last week is bullshit, sorry. I think he's misreading the tabs.

128 doc, I see where you'd get the impression that was my view, but it's a bit off.

I do not think there is a great conspiracy among the pollsters to favor the democrat... i think there is a lot of pressure to make the polls newsworthy and changing, but not enough to betray accuracy.

Here's the simple fact: Mccain gained in these polls.

OK?

He has more voters supporting him than he did a week ago.  It's that simple.  If you read the poll, you see that each category other then the far left (which didn't move much) went more for Mccain than it was a week prior.  The pollsters have reweighted the groups.  That's how basic polling works and isn't a scandal.  It's just part of the art, and I think shows that we should look at the details and not worry as much about the general message.

There's no reason not to believe that the big pollsters are copying eachother in reweighing.  They do not get these balances right.  Regardless, if you believe these polls you believe that Mccain isn't losing votes.  The data is trying to tell you that Mccain was never ahead but is still gaining (I don't know if this is true or not).

129 Think McCain will use this story?

130 Gosh darnit. That wasn't supposed to happen. It was supposed to stay within the div.

131 Lurker, but admirer of Ace; I post at PP and elsewhere...

Fuck Axelrod, fuck this pinko mafia scumbag. You damn right I remember what these pricks did to Sen. Percy. It's no secret in Illinois. Goddamn Mafia, indeed.

Nice company you keep, Obama. Mafia, Muslims, Terrorists, and Financial Felons. What a fucken AmericanIndonesian.

132

ACE - "Actually... that 1984 ad was really the big start of Obama's viral marketing/astroturfing campaign, wasn't it? "

Nooowwww I get it! Obama said that his campaign for the Presidency made him more qualified than Sarah (as in executive epxperience)...so he's been referring to his mastery of slime ball politics...Now I get it!

133

"A lot of people associated with Obama and Axelrod just sort of... do things for them, unbidden."

Kinda like Edwards best friend evah who pays off his mistress without telling him.

134

just testing if BBCode works:

 

[b]bold[/b]

[i]italic[/i]

[u]underlined[/u]

 

135

ok

bold

 

CNN

136

so BBcode doesn't seem to work but raw html does

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