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Posted by: Lemmiwinks at September 19, 2008 05:54 PM (CiVat) Posted by: thirteen28 at September 19, 2008 05:55 PM (s8N54) 3
Yes, but it's okay when Democrats invoke "God" because we all know that they don't really mean it. So when Democrats say it, it's more like "...God (wink wink)..."
Posted by: Bart at September 19, 2008 05:55 PM (w3NmV) 4
Nice vid. Gibson is truly a partisan hack.
Posted by: f00 at September 19, 2008 05:56 PM (blmuz) 5
Arr! The UTube be held up to me blind eye and the flags be obscured!
Posted by: One eyed Tobias, dread of the Southern Seas at September 19, 2008 05:57 PM (evdj2) 6
Gibson looks like such a sneering piece of shit.
I hope he has a Dan Rather moment this election season. Posted by: dan-O at September 19, 2008 05:57 PM (teb/C) 7
btw, Jesus wouldn't fight a holy war.
Posted by: Bart at September 19, 2008 05:59 PM (w3NmV) 8
A few years back I did a round-up of all the mentions of God by presidential candidates in their nomination acceptance speeches:
http://ravingatheist.com/archives/2004/09/the_conventional_god.php As you'll see, Nixon used the old Lincoln quip in 1968 and 1972 (as did Kerry in 2004). Posted by: The Raving Atheist at September 19, 2008 05:59 PM (VKn7o) 9
Gibson takes one for the MSM team . And man, it's a good solid shot to the balls too.
Posted by: aubrey at September 19, 2008 06:00 PM (q/Z0+) 10
But does the general public ever see this videos? Do the Undecided voters ever see these and make up their minds? I doubt it. Yeah - they reinforce the base. And I suppose they help demoralized the other side. I guess that will have to do - for now. Posted by: TakeFive at September 19, 2008 06:00 PM (/3pxq) 11
I don't like Chuck Gibson. It's understandable that some wonks in this country have ran out on God; however, it is unacceptable that anyone should be held up to double standards anywhere. I think that this is a real watershed in our brief history. The invention of television was amazing in and of itself but, the importance of talking heads who supposedly represent a standardized view of Americans probably was a mistake.
Posted by: Mr._Chumpo at September 19, 2008 06:01 PM (i73Rf) 12
Heh, I just got the title of the post.
Posted by: Bart at September 19, 2008 06:02 PM (w3NmV) 13
God, that was beautiful. And it made Gibson look like the sanctimonious bastard that we've all come to know and despise in the media.
"Are we fighting a Holy War?" "Yes, Charlie. We are." Posted by: GulfCoastBamaFan at September 19, 2008 06:02 PM (ykqBW) 14
Fucking awesome.
Posted by: Amused Observer at September 19, 2008 06:03 PM (h0aKI) 15
No Charley, "we" are not.
Posted by: AndrewsDad at September 19, 2008 06:03 PM (C2//T) 16
Jesus was a community organizer. That's what religious doctrine is to the media. A punchline. An argument to gain a democrat some power.
When Palin invokes religion in an argument to be humble, hopeful, and help others... to make a sacrifice for the greater good in the way Lincoln, FDR, and even Bill Clinton have asked, that's some kind of abomination? Gibson was lying about Palin's 'exact words', but he was also lying to himself. He knows that religion invoked in this way is a wonderful thing. Anyone who thinks realizes this, even athiests. He's just lying to himself. Posted by: Shill at September 19, 2008 06:03 PM (8jYMc) 17
It's seven years after 9/11, and Charles Gibson doesn't know the jihadists are fighting a holy war against us.
Posted by: Jack Bauer's Evil Brother at September 19, 2008 06:06 PM (0/H3U) 18
Brilliant.
Posted by: PowerPro at September 19, 2008 06:07 PM (JPEqm) 19
I saw that video earlier. I watched it three times. Overwhelmingly devastating for old Charlie. Apparently put together by Newt Gingrich. "Educating the Media Elites on American History" indeed. In spades, so to speak. Posted by: SlaveDog at September 19, 2008 06:08 PM (6Gy0q) Posted by: JAFKIAC at September 19, 2008 06:09 PM (LcpIn) 21
Is there any possible response to that question? Honestly, that's a when did you stop beating your children type of set up.
Posted by: alexthechick at September 19, 2008 06:09 PM (yUzb2) 22
Darn it Shill. I often like reading what you have to say, this post no exception. I click on the red "Shill" at the bottom thinking I'm going to a happy place and I am tele-ported to Rick Roll. (nice)
Posted by: Mr._Chumpo at September 19, 2008 06:10 PM (i73Rf) 23
Sorry Charlie!
Posted by: locus ceruleus at September 19, 2008 06:11 PM (e2mBS) 24
GREAT video, WHAT POMPOUS FUCKIN' ASSHOLE
Posted by: PaREP> at September 19, 2008 06:11 PM (dWdDN) 25
That was a pretty fair to middlin' ass whoopin'. I tried to make like connection to some local pin heads by showing them copies of Lincoln's second inaugural address. This piece was just wonderful. Not sure anyone is seeing this type of info. Too much crap saturating the airwaves -- like that gosh awful stuff from Sarah Bernhard. THAT vile crud seems to get all the MSM attention. Posted by: newguy40 at September 19, 2008 06:12 PM (kduZC) 26
Good, but a little disjointed. I guess invoking the #1 socialist is fine, not for me, he was a lying dick, who would say about anything, oh, sorry, FDR=asshole. I thought Kennedy was great, HE fought for his country. Where would he be today in his party? The Lincoln clip was a stretch. I understand the effort, but there is a lot more history to be told. Er, Washington's prayers to the troops, er , Jefferson. Oh, I forgot no one knows who these people are, but if Martin Luther King said something, I guess it would be important. Dumb down.
Posted by: kempermanx at September 19, 2008 06:18 PM (2+9Yx) 27
I wonder if Newt Gingrich had something to do with the making of that video. He was on H&C last week, making all of those same points about our nation's leaders invoking God.
Posted by: Nice Deb at September 19, 2008 06:19 PM (wQHd0) 28
Gibson did make Barry look like the idiot he is, and he's got my gratitude. He's still a douche, as they all are...douches. Posted by: Sen. Rev. Dr. E Buzz at September 19, 2008 06:21 PM (sf4Oe) 29
Can't get YouTube (blocked by the Army's servers) can someone please summarize the video. Posted by: CavMedic at September 19, 2008 06:21 PM (tc3dx) 30
I hope Ace sees this --- Charles Rangel today (Link under name)
------- The question was simple: Why are the Democrats so afraid of Palin and her popularity? The answer was astonishing. “You got to be kind to the disabled,” Rangel said. That’s right. The chairman of the powerful House Ways & Means Committee called Palin disabled — even when CBS 2 HD called him on it. Posted by: Topsecretk9 at September 19, 2008 06:22 PM (KoJZf) 31
There's a credit at the end of the vid pimping Newt's book, so I'd say yes, he was involved.
Posted by: mpur at September 19, 2008 06:24 PM (Awx7m) Posted by: Esteban at September 19, 2008 06:24 PM (X7Ey1) 33
Newt you magnificent bastard! I spent the whole video enthralled by the question "who made this" -- I was dying for it to end so I could find out. newt.org. pretty cool. Posted by: Prufrock at September 19, 2008 06:26 PM (vISQb) 34
It's a 4-minute video showing ABC's Charles Gibson distorting Gov Palin's quote about "praying that God is on our side" in the war on terror and examples of how past presidents including Clinton and Kennedy have mentioned "God" during a speech.
The video also shows how Gov Palin corrected Gibson on her quote and explained it was about praying that we on God's side, not the other way around. Posted by: Bart at September 19, 2008 06:26 PM (w3NmV) 35
CavMedic:
Charley Gibson asks Sarah Palin: Are we in a holy war? Then the video plays her entire quote from the church in context. Then plays video or audio "prayers for our troops" from various Democrat presidents over the last 75 years. Splicing CG's "are we fighting a holy war" between each one. Posted by: f00 at September 19, 2008 06:27 PM (B5RxW) 36
27 I wonder if Newt Gingrich had something to do with the making of that video. He was on H&C last week, making all of those same points about our nation's leaders invoking God.
Posted by: Nice Deb at September 19, 2008 06:19 PM (wQHd0) Nice Deb, If you will click on the video, you will see that it takes you to Newt's youtube page and was posted by an ngingrich himself. So good call. Posted by: JAFKIAC at September 19, 2008 06:28 PM (LcpIn) 37
heh... Thanks. It made my day to see Gov Palin PWN Charlie Gibson....
Posted by: mrclark at September 19, 2008 06:28 PM (zTm9F) 38
At one point Sarah shoul'd've been taken aback and said, "You didn't brush your teeth today, did you Charlie."
Posted by: Corona at September 19, 2008 06:29 PM (ax5Qa) 39
Wow. That was very good. Sarah Palin is great and Charlie Gibson is not.
Posted by: Jenn at September 19, 2008 06:30 PM (RsTN5) 40
I just saw that Rangel --- Palin disabled clip. And, I have to say, that since Palin was nominated a couple weeks back, there have been many WTF and STFU moments but this is toppers for me. I hope ACE puts the Rangel clip up. It's a keeper... Posted by: newguy40 at September 19, 2008 06:31 PM (kduZC) 41
Team Charlie Gibson: Willful distortioners of truth... aka liars.
Not merely asking questions as they so righteously proclaim. They make a disingenuous charge through the question. Expertly crafted really not to ask the question "Are we in a holy war?" but rather to impugn, condemn with spicy condescension, "You say we are in a holy war..." even though the "exact words" were inexact, clipped mid-sentence. You, Sir Gibson, are a fraud. But we've known that for years. It's just the wantonness of it all that sometimes makes us gasp. Keep it up. Your credibility is falling faster than your industry's bottom line. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 19, 2008 06:31 PM (sI5Ho) 42
Shill, thanks for the Rick Roll, asshole.
Posted by: Spicy McHaggis at September 19, 2008 06:32 PM (btpzp) 43
Gibson did make Barry look like the idiot he is, and he's got my gratitude.
I imagine he did it accidently. Then he has to set traps for Palin to stay in good graces with his chattering lunch crowd. Posted by: Cincinnatus at September 19, 2008 06:34 PM (ZAlQ3) 44
btw, Jesus wouldn't fight a holy war. There are a lot of thing that we do that Jesus wouldn't do and vice versa. If we could do what Jesus did, we wouldn't need him in the first place. Posted by: baldilocks at September 19, 2008 06:35 PM (i4iTl) 45
I'd imagine that the questions that Charlie asks would be better served if he reflected upon his own convictions, i.e. his 7+ years of tacit denial of genocide in Mesopotamia!!11!!eleventy!!
/smug /above it all /hypocrite /elite Posted by: Fritz at September 19, 2008 06:39 PM (zAvxs) 46
Oh yes, it's a holy war, alright... on many levels, not the least of which is the MSM versus anybody with a lick of sense and an ounce of morality. Posted by: Catherine at September 19, 2008 06:40 PM (MbeS4) 47
I want to kiss Newt Gingrich on the mouth, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Posted by: tomosexual at September 19, 2008 06:58 PM (aRRWd) 48
Someone finally got all holy medieval on Gibson's ass.
Posted by: Lincoln at September 19, 2008 07:05 PM (GYHOH) 49
Newt knows a little about MSM madness. He was trashed mercilessly so that he had negative ratings before he even spent one day in the Speaker's chair.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 19, 2008 07:07 PM (T0NGe) 50
It's a stretch to credit Gibson with any depth of thought, but if by "Holy War" he meant a war to advance a particular religion, then the answer is yes, we are fighting in a Holy War: al Qaeda's holy war against us. The difference between our sides is stark: We pray that we are on God's side by advancing the cause of freedom, which, as the Declaration of Independence states, is God's precious gift to all humankind. On the other hand, al Qaeda is certain that God is with them, and wants them to extend and deepen their tyranny. There is no escaping the fact that this is a theological conflict, in which two visions of human nature and man's relationship with God are in direct, inescapable conflict. So, yes, we are in a holy war. Not one of our making, but in it nevertheless. So, Charlie, which side are you on? Posted by: Brown Line at September 19, 2008 07:08 PM (OMiLl) 51
I listened to parts of her interview with Hannity this afternoon. Her optimism, love and faith in this country is clear and chaps the ass off of donks, moonbats, and republican east coast conservatives, including Allahpundit. I think she is great.
Posted by: Booben at September 19, 2008 07:09 PM (tyxqh) 52
It must have been a bad video for the Left. I know this because it is gone now. YouTube = communist fucks. Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at September 19, 2008 07:10 PM (0FHr8) Posted by: Jack Bauer's Evil Brother at September 19, 2008 07:12 PM (0/H3U) 54
Dear Charlie, I don't believe in you any longer. See you soon, God P.S. You might want to be buried in an asbestos suit. Just sayin... Posted by: God at September 19, 2008 07:13 PM (gHrZU) 55
That video needs maximum distribution
Posted by: Bag O' Stoats at September 19, 2008 07:16 PM (FOXSU) 56
Totally brilliant!!!!!
Posted by: 8starsnorth at September 19, 2008 07:19 PM (8GsdE) 57
Interesting and dramatic video. I listened to the Gibson interview, but Gov. Palin has such charisma that I tended to look only at her when I was watching the screen vs. just listening to it while doing something else. This is the first time that I really focused on Mr. Gibson's demeanor, gestures, and other nonverbals. It finally became clear what everyone else has been saying for a week - he really did come across as a nasty, sneering, condescending guy. He was so focused on getting a GOTCHA moment that he just blew off the seriousness of what she was saying.
Posted by: Jill at September 19, 2008 07:21 PM (OFFVz) 58
I'm all in for Palin, and really, I don't give a tinkers damn for J Mc.......all I want is to get Sarah in the vicinity of the levers and buttons.........the thought of that gives me ecstacy upon ecstacy
Posted by: Bag O' Stoats at September 19, 2008 07:25 PM (FOXSU) 59
6/ Dan-O "I hope he has a Dan Rather moment this election season."
Why can't THIS be his Dan Rather moment? Why can't the dowdified and undowdified clips get run back to back in a commercial? How long would the commercial have to be, 90 seconds? It's not un-doable, is it? 52/ A-bomb of L.K. "I know this because it is gone now. YouTube = communist fucks." Relax. It's just getting more hits than it can reply to. Happens all the time. I just now saw it with no problem. Come back in an hour and click it again. 16/ Shill "He knows that religion invoked in this way is a wonderful thing. Anyone who thinks realizes this, even athiests. " Shill, repeat after me: it's "atheists." And we don't remember appointing you as our spokesman. Not that you didn't accidentally get this one thing kind of right, but ... Posted by: Professor Persnickety P Pedantpants, PhD at September 19, 2008 07:33 PM (tFdGd) 60
Uh-oh. Charlie was videotaped using the special "gesture" power of his +3 Glasses of Condescension to boost himself to 25th level Intellectual Poseur..
Posted by: Nicholas Krons at September 19, 2008 07:34 PM (C+kJJ) 61
I'll take eight years of being Rickrolled... so long as I don't have to listen to Charlie Gibson ever again.
Posted by: George Orwell at September 19, 2008 07:34 PM (AZGON) Posted by: ~d at September 19, 2008 07:40 PM (wFY1t) 63
Charlie Gibson and the MSM disgust me. There was a time in America when Christian morality was not just accepted but was encouraged and demanded of in our leaders. Somewhere in the 60's and 70's America's the Democrat Party, academia and the MSM sold their souls to the State - their utopian, secularist god. Today, the Left is almost as rabid in their anti-Christian faith in the State as any Jihadist is in Allah. Gibson wanted to humiliate and destroy Palin because she rejects his god. Posted by: So Cal Jim at September 19, 2008 07:46 PM (LdHVF) 64
10- "But does the general public ever see this videos? Do the Undecided voters ever see these and make up their minds? I doubt it.
Yeah - they reinforce the base. And I suppose they help demoralized the other side. I guess that will have to do - for now." Takefive- liberals 'own the media' so it is important to make conservatives voices heard in anyway possible. Making videos and posting to youtube will hopefully reach some youngins and let them know they don't have to be liberals. Posted by: politicalmuse at September 19, 2008 07:49 PM (kLKnf) 65
Note G's theatrical pause, removal of glasses. What a self-important d***. Posted by: Erwin Hussein O'Barry at September 19, 2008 07:52 PM (eepJm) 66
No. 60 Krons said that so much better, though.
Posted by: Erwin Hussein O'Barry at September 19, 2008 07:56 PM (eepJm) 67
There are better JFK speech quotes in the JFK library...there may not be any video of those speeches though.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 19, 2008 08:00 PM (hzcgO) 68
If the video's up on You Tube (which it is) you can see the number of "hits" per minute. LOTS of people are watching it -which in turn causes a "word of mouth" effect, thus increasing the audience.
Posted by: alwyr at September 19, 2008 08:09 PM (UYxsF) 69
What are the odds, today, of any politician republican or democrat saying that our rights do not come from government, but from god.
Posted by: lorien1973 at September 19, 2008 08:11 PM (fE4SP) 70
Bart and Foo-thanks.
Posted by: CavMedic at September 19, 2008 08:13 PM (tc3dx) 71
Hollowpoint commented, McCains campaign strategists are starting to make Karl Rove look mediocre. Posted by: Looking Glass at September 19, 2008 08:15 PM (QWqkz) 72
Powerful stuff. Mr. Newt certainly put the beat down on Good Time Charlie.
Posted by: Reiver at September 19, 2008 08:18 PM (lcnlv) 73
You now what makes it even sweeter? Imagining that pompous shit sitting at home, in front of a mirror, practicing his "Holy War" while repeatedly taking off and putting on his glasses. Where's the dramatic gopher when you need him? Posted by: jmflynny at September 19, 2008 08:21 PM (nT2MY) Posted by: G at September 19, 2008 08:23 PM (FAYNo) 75
Nicholas Kron,
Sarah had her Fishbone Earring (effect: Enduring Breath) equipped which allowed her to survive through Gibson's Stench of Condescension spell (effect: Smothering Slime, Disgust and an excessive desire to shower) and cast her Ancient Strike of Beclownment spell on Gibson (effect: 10 second Stun and Permanent Beclownment). Ol' Charlie is lucky she did not have her Epic 12 inch Cast Iron Skillet of Doom (effect: Instant Death, works on heroic and epic mobs. 1 hour recast.) equipped. Instead she was wielding the always reliable Abendslejja-Clue Hammer of the Permafrost, it's fast DPS rate, stats and it's proc of Cancel Spell: Intellectual Poseur was a more appropriate weapon in this instance. Posted by: Nahanni at September 19, 2008 08:23 PM (LKUmX) 76
Since the MSM is fond of rhetorical questions that presume guilt, here's a few they can ask the next time they're genuflecting in Barry's presence: Would you salute a flag if the flag was a hammer and sickle, or a crescent and star?
Why did you fail to report campaign contributions from ACORN?
You have a long relationship with ACORN, a far-left group. Is that because of, or despite, their history of vote fraud?
How much of the $100 million dollar Chicago Annenberg Challenge money was spent directly on the schools? How much of it was spent on groups like ACORN?
In Dreams From My Father you wrote about your mentor, Frank Marshall Davis. Davis was a communist, a member of the Communist Party USA, how did his hard-earned knowledge and advice affect your own beliefs? Davis also urged coalition politics, is that why you became a community organizer?
Are you comfortable with communists because your parents were too?
Your Global Poverty Act would yearly transfer billions to the United Nations. Under your plan, at what point would this massive transfer of wealth end? Is it your intent to make the US subordinate to the UN?
You voted against reform that would have prevented the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac collapses. Was that because you were bought, or because crippling the U.S. economy is part of a plan to further Communist or Muslim interests?
Two of your economic advisers are Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson. Both of them served as CEOs of Fannie Mae. They made millions. How is it good judgment to have them on your team?
Was pushing for looser loan requirements your way of funneling more money to ACORN, or was that just a way to transfer wealth to irresponsible people who were also eager to gorge at the government trough and support you?
If elected President, and both houses of Congress have Democrat majorities, on what issues would you reach across the aisle? On what issues would you seek compromise?
Considering your involvement with communists, radicals, and racists, and your desire to prevent further drilling, coal use, or nuclear power, as President of the United States, would it be your intent to lead this country down the path of destruction?
You can recite the muslim call to prayer in perfect Arabic, what Christian Bible verses have you memorized?
Okay, that was too long. I need to get a life. Or maybe play some Sudoku.
Posted by: Publicserf at September 19, 2008 08:27 PM (eL9uA) Posted by: jmflynny at September 19, 2008 08:28 PM (nT2MY) 78
Here is what I wish Palin had done when Condescending Charlie said "exact words..."
"No, those are not my exact words. I know myself, and I know I would never say what you just quoted, as you are implying I said it. So you go get my exact words, you show me what it is you're quoting from, and when we can agree on what my 'exact words' were, then we'll talk about what I said, okay, Charlie? That seems fair to me." It's only a fantasy, but still. Also, I would like Gov. Palin to be grabbing Charlie at his crotch and squeezing very hard while she says all that. BUT I am reasonable and I can accept the forestated without said grabbing and squeezing. Posted by: Thea at September 19, 2008 08:46 PM (N0hv7) 79
"There are better JFK speech quotes in the JFK library...there may not be any video of those speeches though."
Banging Marilyn IS absolute proof of the existence of God. And bite me, Teddy. Posted by: Shit JFK Said, Volume IV, page 778 at September 19, 2008 08:47 PM (qsGH+) 80
I would also accept Gov. Palin just smiling at Charlie and saying: "A holy war? That's crazy talk!"
Crushing his balls while she smiles and says it would be fine. Posted by: Thea at September 19, 2008 09:03 PM (N0hv7) 81
To clarify here, most people have no problem with praying to god for protection over our troops. That isn't what we "left wing nutjobs" are concerned with. Frankly, our troops need all the protection they can get.
I take issue when someone starts referring to the "war" in iraq as a "task from god." Church and state folks. Clinton was praying for protection and guidance. Thats fine! JFK said that our rights aren't state mandates, they inalienable rights that are our birthright as humans. FDR was leading the nation in prayer, and Lincoln was saying it's foolish to think you could bend God's plan to your plan. Sarah Palin's religious views are only in question because the words "task from God" came out of her mouth. Chuck already knew the answer was going to be no, and was likely only saying that to try to fluster Sarah Palin, but whether or not she meant the war in Iraq is God's will (doubtful) or not is irrelavant. The reason I'm nervous about that kind of talk is because that is the EXACT philosophy that extremist muslims used to justify flying planes into the twin towers, and scuicide bombing job markets in THEIR OWN COUNTRY. It was their God's will, and they answer to a higher power. We can't afford that kind of shit. Here in the United States, you answer to the People, not God. It doesn't matter what God's plan is, here the People VOTE for our country's plan of action. It's not handed down by clerics. That's why its so great! I don't know why I bothered posting this comments, and it seems like I'm raising my hand to try to speak to an angry crowd. I came here thinking it would be a page about the history of Motorhead's Ace of Spades. I hope this explained a little bit of what the other half are thinking Posted by: DonaldMattah at September 19, 2008 09:05 PM (T0JLG) 82
Now that I think about it, Palin really blew it by answering Gibson seriously. She should have laughed at him.
Our pols need to start LAUGHING at these idiots. They're going to get bad coverage anyway. Laugh at them. Defeats them because they are all humorless and self-important idiots and toadies. Also, squeeze their balls until they cry. Posted by: Thea at September 19, 2008 09:07 PM (N0hv7) 83
Take that smug cocksmoker, strap him to a chair, pry his eyes open "Clockwork Orange" style, and make him watch this video until he vomits every time he tries to ask that fucking "holy war" question again. Exact quote my big brown ass, Uncle Charlie.
Posted by: bustoff at September 19, 2008 09:10 PM (1jnf/) 84
Donald...the whole point of the video is that Palin never said "they're on a task from God." She was telling people to pray that our troops do the will of God. It's a VERY different thing. Don't be angry...just learn to make the distinctions. I suspect part of the problem here is that you guys just DON'T UNDERSTAND Christians so you bejigger everything they say.
Palin made the same benign prayer all of us make, bless the troops, let them do the will of God. But none of that excuses Gibson, who is supposed to be smart and sophisticated from deliberately misquoting her, giving her words PRECISELY the spin you accepted and then doing the condescending thing. Which is why he needs to have his balls mashed a bit. Posted by: Thea at September 19, 2008 09:10 PM (N0hv7) 85
Fucking ass ay this is Holy War.
Posted by: Obama Sin Laden at September 19, 2008 09:11 PM (DMlm0) 86
81 / " The reason I'm nervous about that kind of talk is because that is the
EXACT philosophy that extremist muslims used to justify flying planes
into the twin towers, and scuicide bombing job markets in THEIR OWN
COUNTRY."
Fair enough, I guess, for me anyway. The reason it's pissing us off is that Charlie was insidiously trying to EQUATE Gov. Palin's religious thinking with that of our extremist muslim enemies. Plus being a condescending dickweed about it. Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at September 19, 2008 09:11 PM (1hI9f) Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at September 19, 2008 09:12 PM (1hI9f) 88
What the press is doing to Palin is what they learned to do to Bush: allow nothing unfiltered to reach the masses. She was 45 minutes of unfiltered at the convention and it damn near made Barry's head explode. They'll make sure that IF they even cover her at this point (they're trying to ignore her), it will only be negative and heavily spun and filtered. No more Bush unfiltered like after 9/11. No more Palin unfiltered. Unfiltered, she destroys Obama.
Posted by: Thea at September 19, 2008 09:14 PM (N0hv7) 89
I applaud this pushback against the sneering media Eloi. While the FDR section was the section which had me tearing up, the JFK section was the most thought-provoking. JFK was Catholic when it wasn't cool. When he referred to religion, he had to be worried that most people of this Protestant nation might think, at the back of their minds, that he was going to bust out with the Latin and rosary and Mary and various saints. But he didn't. He didn't even cite the baby Jesus. He went straight to One Who would represent all Americans: even Jews, Mormons, and Muslims. Posted by: David Ross at September 19, 2008 09:31 PM (F5TzC) 90
DonaldMattah gets FIVE gold stars in "Completely missing the point."
Your problem, Donald, is that you're just assuming what Gibson said was true without looking at the evidence. Because if you had looked at the evidence, you would already know that what Gibson said was NOT true. Your entire post makes no sense, not because we poor benighted conservatives are insensate, but because you're acting on your assumptions without checking the facts. The part where you compared Palin to a suicide bomber - that was just you being an ignorant asshole. Posted by: Merovign at September 19, 2008 09:40 PM (UXoQt) 91
DonaldMattah, if all lefties treated us righties with the respect you have just displayed, there would be a lot more productive discussion on both sides. Unfortunately most lefties who come in here aren't nearly as thoughtful. Thing to remember about Christians: they care more about Jesus and making Him happy than they care about politics. Or work. Or even their own personal happiness! But they figure that Jesus gives them the purpose to life which makes them happier, better workers, and (where I'll probably lose you) more considered voters. I do agree with the Left that the sort of people who are most vocal about "religion in the public square" / "Christians in public life" / what-have-you are more interested in the politics than they are in the Jesus. I too would like them to leave us alone. However consider all the moral crusades the Left would conscript us into: stop-racism this, global-warming that, the UN for everything else. I submit that all of this is just as based on faith as is a Christian's belief in the living God. Posted by: David Ross at September 19, 2008 09:43 PM (F5TzC) 92
I always think of Patton asking the chaplain to pray for good weather. so, of course, he could kill the G*d Damned Nazis.
Just sayin' Posted by: kat-missouri at September 19, 2008 09:52 PM (io+Si) 93
Merovign: He did compare Palin to a suicide bomber, didn't he? I should have read the paragraph more closely... DonaldMattah: You lose points for that. Oh do you ever lose points for that. The soldier who sacrifices his life for a cause greater than himself is NOT, NOT, NOT the same as the suicide bomber who sacrifices his life to kill off a few more innocent Jews. While there are commonalities (besides religion, the thought of earning an honourable name among his friends also figures) the soldier has comrades whom he loves more than he loves himself; the terrorist is motivated by the people he wants to kill, whom he hates more than he loves himself. Please apologise for that comment before commenting further. Posted by: David Ross at September 19, 2008 09:54 PM (F5TzC) 94
David Ross - I personally wouldn't dock you any points for erring on the side of politeness.
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It's funny how the left is angry with that Islamic fundamentalism because of its religion - but that "destroy America by killing Americans" part they are okay with and never seem to complain about. I'd be happy if Gibson simply admitted that we are at war - much less a holy one - 'cause if the Obummer gets elected we're back to treating those thousands lost in terrorist attacks as police actions. Did anybody dig old Atta's pulverized bones out of Ground Zero so we could prosecute him?
Posted by: HRPKathy at September 19, 2008 10:18 PM (WqFVw) 96
btw, Jesus wouldn't fight a holy war. No, He'd just start one. But seriously...Does any atheist really give a rip? If you're against the war you're against the war for reasons more significant than someone else's reason to be FOR it. And, if you're for it, you wouldn't permit a touch of zealotry to stop you. Gibson is just playing to his base. Beyond that I don't know what else he thinks he's accomplishing. Posted by: Barbelle at September 19, 2008 10:21 PM (qF8q3) 97
Is this a Holy War?
Charlie, you ignorant fuck. If you simply look at what motivates our enemy, it's perfectly clear. Yes, this is a holy war!
Posted by: TimB52 at September 19, 2008 10:23 PM (YwLmw) 98
This response is to Barbelle's post - I wouldn't know about atheism, but speaking as a secularist: yes, we give a rip. Our reasons for being for or against the war aside; what about tactics? What about logistics? We want people in charge who know how to win a war, which is a practical field - a science, in short. We don't want people in charge who we suspect are getting their ideas from God. We can't, after all, cross-examine God, or his understudy the Archangel Michael, as to how best to ford the Euphrates at this point or how best to deliver supplies to Kirkuk. If we suspect that the war effort is being led by a mad(wo)man, then we will go from "support the war aim" to "support the war aim but not under these idiots". That last can easily slide into "support the other guy just so these idiots won't get our soldiers needlessly killed". But that's just a temporary failure. We secularists are more interested in the long game of keeping America from sliding into a notionally-Christian version of Saudi Arabia. If an outspokenly Christian government should intervene in secular policy under explicitly Christian terms, and by chance should succeed, then that gives prestige to that government. We are thinking of Constantine, here. Only two generations after Constantine was the battle of Edirne in 378 AD, and a fatal anarchy in the West. Posted by: David Ross at September 19, 2008 10:41 PM (F5TzC) 99
96 / Barbelle "btw, Jesus wouldn't fight a holy war.No, He'd just start one."
You're maybe having a hard time distinguishing between Christianity and Islam, there, "Barbelle," or what? " But seriously...Does any atheist really give a rip? " Yeah, dipshit, we do. It's a war. I want the Jihadis to lose. Fuck you, next question. Posted by: Father Mocker at September 19, 2008 10:47 PM (4B3ry) 100
David Ross, Merovign was right, you DO err on the side of politeness. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Posted by: Father Mocker at September 19, 2008 10:49 PM (4B3ry) 101
#100 Father Mocker wrote, "David Ross, Merovign was right, you DO err on the side of politeness. Not that there's anything wrong with that." "Liberals hunt down heretics, while conservatives happily chase converts." The top link for that is at a liberal site, where they condemn a liberal as a heretic because he quoted that. Irony. Posted by: Looking Glass at September 19, 2008 10:57 PM (QWqkz) 102
You're maybe having a hard time distinguishing between Christianity and Islam, there, "Barbelle," or what? Having a hard time distinguishing what "BUT SERIOUSLY" means in the very next sentence? Geez, Ace JUST talked about people too stupid to get jokes so it helps to flag them, and even when I do, some drooler like you pops along looking for a fight. I'll be sure to include happy face icons in the future for you and the other mouth breathers. Yeah, dipshit, we do. It's a war. I want the Jihadis to lose. That would sound MUCH braver if you weren't cowering under the bed and letting others win it for you. Fuck you, next question. Go hump your nervous dog, Freak Show. I save the sex for humans. Posted by: Barbelle at September 19, 2008 11:21 PM (qF8q3) 103
"That would sound MUCH braver if you weren't cowering under the bed and letting others win it for you."
Yo, bitch, veteran here. Blow me. Posted by: Father Mocker at September 19, 2008 11:28 PM (4B3ry) Posted by: Father Mocker at September 19, 2008 11:30 PM (4B3ry) 105
Yo, bitch, veteran here. Blow me. Even if I believed you I wouldn't care, Dog Lover. The military has had it shares of cowards too. Now go polish your Section 8; you'll find it under your stack or Article 15s. Did I say "bitch"? My bad, I meant "bigot." You bet, and I'll continue to look down on all canine sodomists. Posted by: Barbelle at September 19, 2008 11:37 PM (qF8q3) 106
Did I say "bigot"? My bad, I meant "liar."
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Did I say ....
hmmm.... Damn! I just don't think I can top a riposte like "Lassie Licker." Guess it's your thread now, Barbelle. (biiiiitch!) Posted by: Father Mocker at September 20, 2008 12:04 AM (4B3ry) 109
Damn! I just don't think I can top a riposte like "Lassie Licker." All you can do is keep corecting yourself and you're just now figuring out you're outclassed? Man, there have been stumps on this board but they usually get it sooner. Guess it's your thread now, Barbelle. This is Ace's thread, O Presumptuous One. "When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled..." Posted by: Barbelle at September 20, 2008 12:26 AM (qF8q3) 110
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Ha! Yep, I knew you were lying. So, why waste a snappy retort, Cujo Cornholer? YOU LOSE! Posted by: Barbelle at September 20, 2008 01:14 AM (qF8q3) 113
Media is fighting a Secular Humanist War against Palin and the foundations of the United States. This is a very "holy war" to them.
Posted by: jp at September 20, 2008 03:02 AM (jlauK) 114
"Yep, I knew you were lying."
Did NOT! "So, why waste a snappy retort, Cujo Cornholer?" Was NOT! "YOU LOSE!" Nuh-UH! Posted by: Father Mocker at September 20, 2008 05:29 AM (4B3ry) 115
"The reason I'm nervous about that kind of talk is because that is the EXACT philosophy that extremist muslims used to justify flying planes into the twin towers, and scuicide bombing job markets in THEIR OWN COUNTRY. It was their God's will, and they answer to a higher power. " okay, and when was the last time a pack of evangelicals hijacked a plane and ran it into a mosque? Your illustration/equivalency is ample evidence you know nothing of Christianity. Nothing.
Posted by: MDH3 at September 20, 2008 07:09 AM (hHSMt) 116
To clarify here, most people have no problem with praying to god for protection over our troops. That isn't what we "left wing nutjobs" are concerned with. But that's exactly what she did so it's not a big deal. Someone, somewhere said we all say "God forbid" or "God willing" (well maybe not the extreme "in your face" atheists who would rather eat their own liver first). That's all she was effectively saying using more words. Gibson made it seem like she is going to be bringing a Burning Bush into the Oval Office (or Oral Office when Slick Willie was the Pres) to consult on matters of foreign policy. It was EXTREMELY dishonest and misleading. I figured the McCain capaign would be demanding an apology/retraction but it probably makes sense not to as they would look whiney. If ABC had any honor they would clarify what Palin really said. But they don't, so they won't. Posted by: hoss at September 20, 2008 07:48 AM (WH0a2) 117
Has anyone shoved this up Charlie Gibson's ass yet?
Posted by: drjohn at September 20, 2008 10:26 AM (ToVRf) 118
Ace -- Thank you for an interesting video. Commenters -- thank you for interesting comments. At least up to Barbelle & Mocker's, uh, conversation around comments 102 - 114 or so. I was waiting for someone to drop the N-word (Nazi).
Posted by: Dan. at September 20, 2008 11:11 AM (JDd6/) 119
I clicked the video because I thought the headline said "Holy shit." But then halfway through Kennedy's speech I figured out it was just "Holy shit." In which case, not interested. Posted by: km at September 20, 2008 01:12 PM (HfOm0) 120
"Are we fighting a holy war?" Difficult question to be sure and not to be taken lightly as the mere metion of a task from God sends the left into a headpounding frenzy of insecurity. I think of it this way. When a group , a church, town ,city , state or nation pray for the saftey of its people. They are asking God for deliverance of sorts. Its up to God to decide how to help them. In biblical times God would answer the prayer by sending a holy host of angels to smite the offender. Not so different here in this case in the war on terror. I have never personally wittnessed a holy host of angels sent to the rescue unless you consider the tools that God has readily available. When God answers the prayers of deliverance from the war on terror he chose this time to send the US freaking military and the faithful coalition that joined with us to say "Hell No! You won't be blowing up our people and thowing a party" Are we fighting a holy war? No. Is it a task from God? Yes it is.
Posted by: David at September 20, 2008 03:31 PM (CTSya) 121
Oh Yeah! I can hear some lefty head exploding with this question right now! lefty: WHY ON EARTH WOULD GOD SEND THE US FREAKING MILITARY? me: Because God knows that we can win this thing Posted by: David at September 20, 2008 03:40 PM (CTSya) 122
Charlie, you know nothing of my work
Posted by: Jesus at September 20, 2008 03:41 PM (8yq/t) 123
"At least up to Barbelle & Mocker's, uh, conversation around comments 102 - 114 or so. "
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I didn't compare Palin to a Suicide bomber, so I refuse to apologize. I compared the ideology of "we are doing gods will" to the ideology of throngs of virgins waiting for you on the other side of a suicide bombing. Sorry if that didn't come across.
I also agree with you that Charlie Gibson was being a raging asshole when he crossed his legs and took off his glasses to ask about a holy war, when it was CLEAR that she was praying for God's blessing, which is perfectly acceptable. Maybe I didn't get that across clear enough either. The public had heard of the sound byte of Palin saying "task from god" without the rest of the context, and any interviewer worth his salt would ask for a clarification. Gibson however used the question to put Palin on the defensive. Shameful. With all that being said, I think Sarah Palin is GROSSLY under qualified to be vice president, mostly having to do with her inexperience. To be fair, I don't think Obama has a lot of experience either, but I find his morals and ideals mesh with many (but not nearly all) of my own, and those ideals just might cause a tiny paradigm shift in Washington. Add to that Joe Biden as a VP, and the fact that I think that if McCain were elected president, America would continue on the path it is on now, which is turning the world against us. He also strikes me as a deceitful and dishonest person and politician, and I am disgusted with the campaign he is running. I'm not here to change your minds, I'm just trying to communicate to you what "the other half" think, and why. I'm also here to learn about you guys, to see why the left and right hate each other so badly, and how to reconcile the differences. "when was the last time a pack of evangelicals hijacked a plane and ran it into a mosque" The twin towers were not churches, and Evangelical's don't need to hijack planes. Also take a look at how many mosques have been firebombed here in America. Granted, many were directly after 9-11 when many of us were feeling angry, impotent and powerless, and some people predictably took it out that frustration on the nearest thing they associated with the attackers. What would you fly a plane into anyway? Mohamed's ancestral house? Maybe the Burj Dubai tower that's being built by the money we put in to our gas tanks? Just like the Saudi Cleric who just deemed it OK to kill people who draw cartoons about Mohamed, Evangelicals have people like Glen Beck, Bill O'Riley and Rush Limbaugh. They spend hours each day spewing out the most hateful, misinformed, ignorant, and damaging messages I have ever heard come out of a television or radio. I try so hard not to hate these people, but every time I hear one of them talk, my blood boils in anger at just absolutely hateful things the things they are saying, and asking their listeners to do. I haven't heard anybody on the left wing say anything nearly as shockingly offensive. It seems like all they want is Legalized Abortion, Gay Marraige, and want to address Global Warming before the planet's environment becomes hostile to human life. The Right seems to want to deport anyone living in america who isn't a white christian, and then forcefully convert every other country to a Christian run Democracy. Maybe I just haven't heard enough left wing talk shows, but I try to steer clear of hate speech no matter what the source. My biggest concern that has risen out of this election is the fear that this country is going to be so divided by being Democrat or Republican that we will have another civil war. I lean left, but am actually pretty moderate. It feels like the left and right wings are tearing this country in half. Maybe next election there will be a decent Libertarian movement. Posted by: DonaldMattah at September 20, 2008 08:41 PM (T0JLG) 125
Donald, that is the biggest pile of bootless assertions in one mishmash of bullshit that I think I have ever seen. You must live deep in a liberal hive to be so out of touch with the thoughts of conservative citizens.
Burning mosques? Christian run Democracy? Dying Earth? WTFF!
Posted by: toby928 at September 20, 2008 09:37 PM (8yq/t) 126
When I say "the right" I of course mean the far right wing extremists, and not "conservative citizens." If you're going to call bullshit on something, at least have the decency to articulate why. Throwing question marks after bullet points is not an argument.
Posted by: DonaldMattah at September 21, 2008 02:41 AM (T0JLG) 127
Donald, you no longah Mattah:
"Evangelicals have people like Glen Beck, Bill O'Riley and Rush Limbaugh. They spend hours each day spewing out the most hateful, misinformed, ignorant, and damaging messages" You've never ever listened to Glenn Beck one time in your shabby lying life, and are a douchebag. Good day to you, sirrah. Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at September 21, 2008 10:44 AM (4B3ry) 128
You are correct! The person I was thinking of is Neal Boortz, my mistake.
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