1 Great headline from the Politico on that one.  I think the video below is apt as well.  What a day.

2

HAhahahahahah!  

Delightful!

3 I hope that all Obama supporters emulate their leader and vote "present" on November 4th.  

4 Obama has a really thin skin, doesn't he?

It's stunning that McCain spent a whole week not rubbing salt those wounds he made in the previous week.

5 This is sounding a lot like, "I voted for it before I voted against it."

6 Tough to take a stand when you have no principles.

7 Bill Clinton could take double talk lessons from this guy.

8 Where do I see this behavior all the fucking time?

A college classroom coming out of the mouth of the professor.  You know, like Obama.

I will now instruct you on what should be done starting with the elimination of everything that shouldn't be done.  I hope you brought a sack lunch.

9

Obama has a really thin skin, doesn't he?  Posted by: lorien1973

Racist!

10 "Present"?  It's time to make this clown's career past tense.

11 Why Americans are becoming stupider than shit:

or Why We Will Have President Obama...

New Atheists...Gullible Fools

From WSJ: "The reality is that the New Atheist campaign, by discouraging religion, won't create a new group of intelligent, skeptical, enlightened beings. Far from it: It might actually encourage new levels of mass superstition. And that's not a conclusion to take on faith — it's what the empirical data tell us.

"What Americans Really Believe," a comprehensive new study released by Baylor University yesterday, shows that traditional Christian religion greatly decreases belief in everything from the efficacy of palm readers to the usefulness of astrology. It also shows that the irreligious and the members of more liberal Protestant denominations, far from being resistant to superstition, tend to be much more likely to believe in the paranormal and in pseudoscience than evangelical Christians."

12 I love how the DNC bots over on Martin's blog are spinning that Obama's just taking time to think and coming up with a real solution that takes everything into consideration.

More like: With five-plus days to think about it, Bambi's still standing there frozen in the headlights, with only Axelrod's death grip on his jaw keeping him from screaming, "I'M BLACK! I'M BLACK! YOU CAN'T QUESTION ANYTHING I DO!!!!!!!!!"

13 It's obvious that Mac had to take it easy on the 0 last week. He can't just walk the guy with 7 weeks to go. Gotta make it interesting. Barry is as week as rescue mission soup. Bring on the debates.

14 Just so you know how Chicago works, this is a picture of a black man.
http://www.law.northwestern.edu/alumni/graphics/Envision_davis.jpg

He is Allison Davis Jr., son of Professor Allison Davis Sr. of University of Chicago.  This is a picture of Allison Davis Sr.
http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/projects/centcat/centcats/fac/facch25_01.html

All this racial shit is total nonsense as who the fuck knows what makes you black because Allison Davis Jr. looks fucking Scandavian white to me, but is in fact half black.

PS: Allison Davis is a slumlord kingpin in Chicago and a Friend of Barack.

15 You're for it?

There is  no evidence whatsoever that that’s what I had said.

Then you're against it?

There is  no evidence whatsoever that that’s what I had said.

It's all  good then?

Now you're getting it.

But what if it turns out to be bad?

Racist!!!!!!!!

16 It only counts after you win...I think the big O is gambling that if things continue to worsen he will reap the benefits from a downtrodden electorate.

17 "I love how the DNC bots over on Martin's blog are spinning that Obama's just taking time to think and coming up with a real solution that takes everything into consideration."

Tell me this isn't a cult.  "Go to the website", "It's on the website", "you have to read the website".  Fuck.  They're going to vote for him, but even THEY have to look at the fucking website to figure out why?

I'm more likely to ditch meat forever when the poorly groomed vegan girl smears tofu in my face and steals all my animal products.

18

Gabe,

heck look at Reverend White Wright.

It is funny that is two white guys (Wright and that nutty Catholic) and an Octoroon who are championing the cause of Black racism.

19 Someone asked me what I thought about this today and my response was "I don't know because I do not understand this enough to have an informed opinion.  I'm happy when my checkbook balances within $5."

But I'm not running for President.  (Queen Of All Women, sure, but that's more of a coup type dealie) 

He HAS to have an opinion on this.  He HAS to.  This mealy mouthed, consider all sides bullshit won't cut it. 

Fucking hell, I've got a JD too and I understand the whole "well on one hand this but on the other hand that" crap that gets pounded into our skulls during law school.   But there's a time when you have to take a stance.  Sheesh. 

20

7 Bill Clinton could take double talk lessons from this guy.

Nah, Clinton should give him double talk lessons.

 

21 Present.

22 this guy is such a pathetic joke, this is what the Dem. party gives us???  scary

23 Just to reinforce that I'm a one trick pony.

Big business wants cheap labor.
The Chamber of Commerce wants cheap labor.
Wall Street wants unfettered markets of ever increasing scale.
Bush wants to project power during a war.
Democrats want a larger underclass identity group to mine for votes.
And transnational fucks want to kill the Nation-State, or at least, the Great Satan, us.

And y'all don't think NAFTA had a good deal to do with this current crisis?

24 You know who this helps? Mitt Romney

25 I guarantee you that him and Axelrod are waiting for the poll they ordered to come in before they take a stand.  Guarantee.

26

And y'all don't think NAFTA had a good deal to do with this current crisis?

No.

27 Here's the question.

Should McCain go back to Washington and vote for this?

Obama sure isn't. Should McCain?

28 This is sounding a lot like, "I didn't voted for it before I didn't voted against it."

Fixed.

29

And y'all don't think NAFTA had a good deal to do with this current crisis?

Not.  One.  Thing.

Economically illiterate is no way to go through life, son.

30 Even the New York Times admits today that this week has been a huge test drive for both candidates as to how they would manage a crisis.  Barry has flunked the test for sure.  As President you don't get 8 days to huddle with your 300 advisors and decide what you think.  You have to make a fucking decision, even if you have to make some changes later.  This is a financial 9/11 and Barry has just sat there the whole goddamn week reading "My Pet Goat."

31 Obama delayed his economic plan today. I wonder if his "plan" is similar to Kerry's mythical plan in 2004 to end the Iraq war.

And, if Obama has it, why isn't he wowing us with it right now and letting the people suffer?

32

Let me guess: It's racist to demand you take a position on your own disaster. Right?

In all fairness, there are people who are a lot more directly responsible than Obama, who simply didn't do anything or take any interest in anything substantial while he was the senate.

But Barney Frank, Charlie Rangle, Chris Dodd, the Congressional Black Caucus, and a roster of long-time Democrat politicians, and not a few Republicans, are really to blame, and that's where the blame should be laid.

Obama should just be called out for being a political hack.

33

Why Americans are becoming stupider than shit:

or Why We Will Have President Obama...

New Atheists...Gullible Fools

Pretty much, God is the basis of Knowledge...

 

“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.” (Proverbs 1:7, ESV).

which is one reason why this isn't going to look like 1988 with Dukasis, American's are different now.  We are roughly 30 years, philosophically, behind Europeans

34 How can anyone think this spineless twit could be a leader.  He did the same thing on the Russia/Georgia situation, going full circle in 3 or 4 days.  Vlad can hardly wait.

35 JackStraw , Circa ,
You guys are funny.

It's like you can see a cause and effect as long as its only one level deep.

Rest assured, I take your opinions as seriously as you take mine.

I gave a list. Every one of the issues on my list is empowered by NAFTA.


Do you agree with that?

36 Nations get the leaders they deserve. I know America's got a lot of dumb, self-absorbed crypto-Socialists in it these days, but we don't deserve this.

37

“The fear of the Lord is hatred of evil. Pride and arrogance and the way of evil and perverted speech I hate.” (Proverbs 8:13, ESV).

“Whoever walks in uprightness fears the Lord, but he who is devious in his ways despises him.” (Proverbs 14:2, ESV).

“In the fear of the Lord one has strong confidence, and his children will have a refuge. The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life, that one may turn away from the snares of death.” (Proverbs 14:26-27, ESV).

 

38

LiveFree-

I saw your list.  But none of the things you mentioned had anything to do with the current economic crisis.  That's not my opinion, that's a fact.

We are living through the utterly predictable result of the donks in Congress along with their partners in crime, ACORN, NACA, you know, community organizers, using our money to try and socially reorganize the table.

Sane economists have been predicting this for years, although they usually got shouted down with cries of RASICT!!!

NAFTA has some very good and some very not so good results but it had nothing to do with the meltdown in the financial markets.

39

Obama's new plan- dump more taxpayer money (capital) into a broken system, and continue the policies that broke it in the first place (continue offering high-risk mortgages).

Brilliant!

40 Yahoo front page headline, right now: "Obama backs bailout plan, says McCain 'in a panic'".

Someone needs to get their story straight.

That headline is right above another gem: "Poll-Parent prefer Obama over McCain as child's teacher"

41 Nations get the leaders they deserve. I know America's got a lot of dumb, self-absorbed crypto-Socialists in it these days, but we don't deserve this.

Our leadership says otherwise. I wonder, if in any other country, what would happen if there was a situation like this week and 2/3 of government said "Fuck it. I'm goin' home."

42 Obama has made "community organizing cred" a pathology. He listens. That is all he does. Listen. Never does.

Remember the accolades for his service to the community? He was a great listener. Didn't accomplish anything noteworthy, but he had a hell of an ear (no pun).

In Congress? He listened. Supposedly intently. Then voted "present."

He has now grown into a cottage industry running for the Presidency. He has a campaign staff of hundreds he's listening to, writing his speeches, creating his facade. Still nothing to show for it.

Nowadays? He still he has no position on anything. He'll tweak a talking point depending on the audience and the teleprompter, but refuses to get nailed down to any issue. Ask him to elucidate or explain? Why, you cad, are a racist... and probably worse than Hitler.

Barack Obama: Professional Sounding Board

43

Rockmom,

This is a financial 9/11 and Barry has just sat there the whole goddamn week reading "My Pet Goat." "Uncle Tom's Cabin".

Bob,

Yahoo is even more in the tank than Google.  Ever try Yahoo! Answers?  It's like a discussion group in a gulag, and every other question is posted by Diderot's Dog.

44 Your false assertion is a distraction, sir.

45

Read my lips, no new taxes.

I was for it before I was against it.

Barry obviously learned from the mistakes of his predecessors: If your aren't for anything, they can't accuse you of changing your mind.

46 The words used: "Dire."

That's the word a nurse used to describe the situation when they called and woke me at 2:00am on the night my mom died back in June.   She was dead  by the time I made it to the hospital 15 minutes later.   Dire is not a good place to be.

47

According to the NYT, the briefing Paulson and Bernanke gave Senate Democrats left them stunned into silence.  Words like "complete meltdown of the financial system within days" were used.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/20/washington/19cnd-cong.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Meanwhile, Si Se Puede! trims his sails, waiting to hear what McCain has to say first.  We can't afford to elect this clown.

48

thing is, if the media lets him get away with this stuff it will work great for him.  He's constantly calling McCain a liar and playing the victim, if not corrected and called on it then he comes out great with this.

 

makes me want to puke

49 OMG, Ace you so nailed this BS on the head.  THIS is why we have an Electoral College.  The Framers new better than to trust the future of this country to the mob (hence the fact we are NOT a democracy, much to the chagrin of the lefties).  I am so glad I came across your musings.  Not only do you share my passion for the fight, you also are not under the illusion that if we take the high road, we will be able to somehow come to a kumbaya moment with the left.  Just like the islamofascists, we need to take the fight to them!!

50 lorien:  Our leadership says otherwise. I wonder, if in any other country, what would happen if there was a situation like this week and 2/3 of government said "Fuck it. I'm goin' home."

Actually, Congress is only one-third, but you're right.  There is a positive side, though:  The drilling ban will expire.  Maybe Bush will push some ANWR/offshore drilling leases out before Congress returns.

51 Barry won't have 300 advisors fo long - well, not unless you count all the ones under the bus.  Seriously, it's like this guy doesn't know any of the people that made him the artificial, manufactured little socialist robot that he is today.

52

McCain=Leadership

Obama=Followership

53 I was not opposed to it before I was not in support of it.

Imagine;

Ahmadinnerjacket won't back down on nuclear weapons research and development --> WWBOD?

Putin invades the Ukraine for _________ (fill in the blank) --> WWBOD?

Kim Ding-jong Il threatens to bomb Japan or the US for with holding food/supplies, and sets off a couple of long range missiles in Japan's direction. --> WWBOD?


A.  Make a puddle in the Oval Office.
B.  Cry about how racist everyone is.
C.  Ask the French what to do.
D.  Give the mad men whatever they wanted.
E.  All of the above.

Of course, this is a rhetorical question.

54 I hereby dub the newest bailout package:

"No Wallstreet Banker Left Behind."

55

The less McCain and BHO say about the financial situation, the better.  Neither one of them has one frickin clue about finance and economics.  Six weeks away from an election is probably the _worst_ time to have politicians making decisions of this magnitude.  They're all going to craft their positions with the election in mind, NOT the best long-term solutions.

This bailout sucks bigtime.  It's hastily conceived and still half-baked.  For all practical purposes, Paulson is running the govt right now.  The solvency of the US Treasury is at stake.  I don't give a rat's ass about the stock market (Disclosure: I am 100% long VHGEX and bought more Wed night.  But it is money I can afford to lose.)  What I care about is long-term: Are we headed for hyperinflation?  When will people realize Treasuries are becoming worthless?  How high are fucking taxes going to rise to pay for this mess?  How are we going to be able to continue to afford the world's best military?

I look around the blogs today and almost everybody is talking about Raines, euthanasia, and God Help us _still_ the cocksucking Bridge To Nowhere, and all this horserace shit.  Thanks, Ace, for starting this thread.

56

The video is no longer available. 

 

What was on it?

57 I am pessimistic today. All this is true, but FDR did much the same with Obama, vs. Hoover, and got voted into power. Then pulled the same stuff, that didn't work, and got re-elected three more times.

Americans are deeply divided, with half unwilling to face facts: easy stuff in the Post-Cold War period is over, no more 1990s parties, nuclear proliferation + globalization = dead US cities unless America is ruthless and feared, down not to Presidential levels but non-commissioned officers and enlisted personnel, in places like Pakistan and Iran.

Wall Street's meltdown is just another part of this. Yes Obama built this bomb. But the media will never say it, the average Joe will never know it, and vote for the guy perceived to have no responsibility (even though his fingers were all over it).

Like I said before, McCain ain't cutting it. He's ahead on handling the economy, and still Obama leads by five now. This is going to continue till Obama gets a landslide.

Unless viral videos are unleashed to point out before it's too late the emperor's lack of clothes.

People already know Ace that Obama just votes present. They don't care. We need to give them a reason to care, and do it in a 30-second vid. Otherwise, President Chavez-lite for life.

58

OK, livefree, I'll play.

Big business wants cheap labor.  Wages have risen in all three NAFTA countries.  Next.
The Chamber of Commerce wants cheap labor.  The Chamber of Commerce wants what is best for American business--that does not necessarily include cheaper labor--it can also include open markets, freer competition, transparency, etc.  Get it?  Next.
Wall Street wants unfettered markets of ever increasing scale.  Wall Street wants to make a buck.  Next.  
Bush wants to project power during a war.  This is a complete non-seq.  Next. 
Democrats want a larger underclass identity group to mine for votes.  This would be different from the previous influxes of immigrants how?  Next. 
And transnational fucks want to kill the Nation-State, or at least, the Great Satan, us.  And the Ron Paul tent is that way.  Next.

The current situation is as Jack explained yesterday--bad policy, i.e. loose credit disguised as "affordable housing" whose mortgage instruments were then used as investment instruments that should have never been available in the first place.  It had absolutley nothing to do with any freed trade agreement.  Please get you facts straight and settle for an Occam's razor when one is available.

59 JackStraw, I appreciate the response.

I think I won't push my thoughts further on this thread.

Regards

60 Oh, I see Circa responded as well. Ok.

Thank you also, and I'll respond in after I eat dinner with my kids.

61



1) Circa: Wages have risen in all three NAFTA countries. Next

No dice.

A) Real wages adjusted for inflation have risen over 2000 levels only in the last year. Ramesh at NRO points out that this is usually the case with a business cycle, with wages rising toward the end of it.
B) taxpayers have made no progress on unfunded liabilities during this period - in fact, they have gotten worse.
C) We are about to double the operating number (ignoring social security and medicare) with the current Federal bailout.
D) Wages arguably wouldn't have gone up if the amnesty had occurred. And that still has a good chance of happening.

2) The Chamber of Commerce wants what is best for American business--that does not necessarily include cheaper labor--it can also include open markets, freer competition, transparency, etc.  Get it?  Next.

A) Chamber of The Chamber of Commerce stood behind and lobbied for McCain's comprehensive immigration reform package. If you will recall, estimates are that his package would effectively add 80 million americans in the 20 years.

B) I understand that the Chamber of Commerce espouses some good policy, and never argued otherwise.

3) Wall Street wants to make a buck.  Next.  

A) Of course, thats their job. I have no problem with that. I am not against markets or free trade. Is Wall Street a power center? Of course. A big one.

B) They flat out stated that we should just tear down the southern border.
Many of the players involved in this current crisis have been extensively engaged in extending credit to illegal border hoppers. Bank of America. Chase. Citigroup.
The investment banks were tied in with them.

C) Both Greenspan and Buffet have called for a special a visa increase to absorb the over-built housing market. Why did it get overbuilt? Rove flat out stated that the administration should have better massaged the public for the coming amnesty. When McCain said fanny and freddie were headed for problems in 2005, why didn't the administration do anything about it?

Because he was copying Roosevelt's industrial wedge. Ostensibly to drive the war machine. Wars have a significant economic component... as Armiginidan's (who cares about how to spell his fucking name) advisors have been telling him.
, if you happened to catch it.

4) This is a complete non-seq.  Next. 
a) See #3C above, and then go read some history.

5) This would be different from the previous influxes of immigrants how?  Next. 

A) I don't know, how about the presence of a massive welfare state and the lack of a physical frontier. Is this shit new to you? Even if you don't want to study history, you could read Mark Steyn.

6) And transnational fucks want to kill the Nation-State, or at least, the Great Satan, us.

A) You already admitted that this is the default position of Wall Streetplayers

7) Bad policy
A) WHY
B) WHY
C)WHY
D) Because
If you want to just be a partisan (which ain't very conservative, BTW) and blame the OTHER party, and ignore the actually constitutional structures that have formed and maintained this great nation...
If you actually think free markets exist, in the real world, without the maintenance of a high quality state apparatus...
If you think that Our State Apparatus - the constitutional structures, and their intended power roles - doesn't really do anything worth while, and wonder why oligarchy forms in Russia.

If you think those things, I don't think you know what the fuck you're talking about

Regards,

LiveFreeOrDie

62 Face it, we're at war and we need a wartime President. Too bad most of the electorate is too self-absorbed and MSM-dependent, well, if you can pry them away from reality shows, to realize it. I think I'm having "Cynical Friday" here.

63 Circa, you know this stuff :

" I don't think you know what the fuck you're talking about"

is just to keep it lively, right?

64 Goll darnit, I missed this video before it was pulled.  Seems the BO camp is pulling everything lately.  Pretty soon he won't have a birth certificate.  Can we just delete everything about him?

65 Trillion dollar bailout!   the ppl who argue for this bailout act like the U.S. Tres. and the Fed are coming to our rescue. the only way they can come up with this kind of cash is by creating it out of thin air! printing money with no real-world value decreases the value of the currency already in circulation.
If the dollar in my pocket suddenly only buys 50 cents worth of goods or services, how have I been rescued?    this is the first thought that came to my mind when I heard about this, well after the long string of expletives.

66

65 shoey - exactly right!  Here's an example how I got screwed today (maybe a lot of you too.) 

I have a cash position in my portfolio.  The position has to be safe and liquid, so I went with FDIC and FSLIC accts, and PAID by accepting a low yield.  Apparently a whole bunch of morons put their cash position in money market accts, which have no FDIC/FSLIC, and so they were SUPPOSED TO  BE accepting the higher risk to gain their HIGHER yields.

Today, all of a sudden, the fucking govt (which is now Bernanke and Paulson)  decides "Hey, all you money market depositors, who have profited by supposedly accepting higher risk, are now MAGICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE RISK THEY ASSUMED WHILE ACCUMULATING HIGHER YIELDS than poor old stupid cautious gp.  Congratulations!

This bailout is bad news, it is POORLY AND HASTILY conceived, it only _delayed_ the crash, and prudent savers/investors like me are going to pay the most.  The risk/reward ratio is being perverted.

67 "we're sorry, this video is no longer available"

68 11/
Well, "Jade," that's certainly one way of looking at it. 
On the other hand, suck my ass.
 

69 23 / one trick pony
"And y'all don't think NAFTA had a good deal to do with this current crisis?"

Well, there's two ways to answer that ...
On the one hand, Hell no.
On the other hand, Fuck no.

70

i hear ya gp,

no risk, no free market, welcome to the United Socialist States of America comrade!

but i guess we're just lunatics, 'cause no one else wants to talk about it

 

 

71 32 / Medicinal
"In all fairness, there are people who are a lot more directly responsible than Obama, "

In all fairness, 3/4ths of those people are now working for Obama's campaign, plus were paying him off the whole time they were "working" at Fraudie Mac and FNMC.

72 35 / one trick
"I gave a list. Every one of the issues on my list is empowered by NAFTA. "

What you left out was the connection from NAFTA to ACORN. 
So if you've got one, you should show it. 

37 / jp
You know what's more irritating than an off-topic troll?
A repetitive superstitious off-topic troll, with scriptural "answers" to non-questions that they posed under a different sockpuppet.
Feel free to take that personally.

73

printing boatloads of cash that has no real-world value is only going to make things way worse, if we keep going this way the crash that eventually will come is going to be even worse than the crash of 1929.

the bigger you make a house of cards, the smaller the gust of wind it takes to knock it down.

 

74 I'm not a sock puppet. I've been posting here for years, Father Mocker.

----------

gp's right, this bailout is just screwing us that play by the rules.

75 70, 74 - thanks.  Let's get really fucking stinko Lost Weekend drunk.  Me first!

76

Regarding #52

Close, but maybe this is a bit better -

McCain = responsible, leadership, Country first, which leads to success

Obama = irresponsible, abdication, Obama first, which leads to failure

 

BTW - For the Feds to step in like they have and to take such controversial and unusual actions, indicates that the financial situation is very serious, perhaps grim.

I am seriously pissed that those of us who have been responsible with our debt by living within our means and have invested prudently avoiding high risk investments are the very ones that have to suffer the pain of a devalued dollar and increased taxes to bail out those executives who took unreasonable risk and those greedy morons who bought property and got mortgages they couldn't afford. 

Why are we rewarding bad behavior and irresponsibility by bailing them out.

77

"BTW - For the Feds to step in like they have and to take such controversial and unusual actions, indicates that the financial situation is very serious, perhaps grim."

Yes, absolutely, unelected Bernanke/Paulson SAID it was so bad, and the SECOND-HAND reports of the REACTIONS of all the assholes who were PRIVELEGED enough to hear their scary story is supposed to convince all of us that we need to SAVE THE RISKIEST and SCREW THE SAFEST.

Yeah, that's good enough for me.  Our wealth has been confiscated by those folks who KNOW SO MUCH MORE THAN WE DO.  Okey Dokey.

SAVE THE RISKIEST and SCREW THE SAFEST.

That's the Valu-Rite Vodak talking.

78 This guy has one hell of an idea:
http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2008/09/kill-bankers.html

79 <quote>This is the man who would be president. He doesn't support the bailout; he also doesn't oppose it. And if you say he doesn't support it, he angrily fires back, "Not so, I merely said I didn't support it."

This is the guy who's going to lead us. This fucking guy.

Captain Bullshit.

Senator Present</quote>

No Ace, He isnt going to lead US, he is going to lead the enemy who will have taken over our nations capitol without having fired a shot. It will be upon us to find a leader who can lead us in the battle to return it to the people of this nation who still believe in the Constitution and the vision of its architects..

80

Make fun of his non-position all you want, but he and his strategists are getting the last laugh.

The fact is, only people on forums like this actually hear about idiocy like this.  Everybody else listens to the radio and watches the news.  And what THEY hear is that this mess happened while Bush was President and we can't afford four more years of it.  We need Change!

The message works because the newspapers, the radio DJ's, and network news plays along. 

The single most important issue facing us is the bias in the news.  It's like fighting a war when the other side has all the air-power.  Eventually we are going to lose everything, and for good.

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