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America Is Suddenly Bursting With Concerned Christian Conservatives Expressing Conservatively Christian Concern over McCain/Palin

People may be confused why in every post I say I'm a concerned Christian.

Astroturfing.

David Axelrod is called the "Master of Astroturfing." Astroturfing is the dishonest PR technique of inserting PR messages straight from the PR shop out into the public, but in the guise of "concerns" of "real citizens" who are "independent" and have "no relationship" whatsoever to the PR campaign.

It tries to disguise itself as a "grassroots" phenomenon -- but it's artificial and inorganic. Hence, "Astroturf."

And David Axelrod is notorious for making extensive use of this controversial tactic -- and was notorious for it even before he begain running Barack Obama's campaign.

Axelrod is working his astroturf magic by seeding comments throughout the internet containing his talking points. His new technique is to have the pro-Obama, anti-McCain/Palin talking points coming, supposedly, from "Christians" or "lifelong Republicans."

It's not just the internet of course. Letters to the editor from concerned conservative Christians are being printed too. From Best of the Web:

The Lebanon (N.H.) Daily News carries a letter to the editor from Christopher Tarsa, who makes the case for crossing party lines to support Barack Obama:


As a Republican and strong McCain supporter in 2000, I was disappointed and saddened in 2004 when McCain permanently traded in his maverick credentials and sold out his principles to support George W. Bush. I now find it equally disturbing to see him gamble our security and future with a reckless choice for a running mate.

Gov. Sarah Palin clearly has a bright future in politics. She may even have the depth and diversity of experience to be a vice-presidential candidate four years from now.


The McCain ticket, with all of its newfound "freshness" and despite all of the claims, has quickly devolved into the politics-as-usual that we have come to expect in the last eight years. McCain and Palin quickly emerged from the rhetoric of their convention as the uniters of dividers.

I talk politics with a lot of people from all walks of life. I find it compelling that many of the ordinary Republicans I talk to understand that their families cannot afford another four years like the last eight. We all deserve better.

But the paper appends a tagline that rather undercuts Tarsa's claim to speak "as a Republican": Tarsa is chairman of the Lebanon County Democratic Committee." Apparently party lines run right through Christopher Tarsa.

I'm surprised the paper noted this big McCain supporter's actual party affiiation.

But note the letter follows the pattern of the classic Astroturf sockpuppet:

1) Claim to be either a Christian, a Republican, or a former McCain backer.

2) Claim to have a basic emotional affinity for McCain, Palin, or Republicanism ("Gov. Sarah Palin clearly has a bright future in politics") and say some weakly "supportive" things in order to convince people you "think like them" and are basically "on their side" before you...

3) Push all the Obama HQ-approved talking points against the ticket, often expressing smears against McCain or Palin that you're merely "concerned" will begin to weight down the ticket when the "story begins to break."

I like that last tactic -- see, they're not pushing these unsourced, unverified claims on you. They're not asserting they're true or anything. They're just worried that when the "story gets out" it will hurt the ticket. They're just "raising questions" that they, as Concerned Conservative Christians, are conservatively Christianishly concerned by.

Robert, down the page (in the Jesus Was a PR Flack post), is very concerned, for example, that McCain is not really pro-life and that he's lying about it. He's worried McCain will make his real pro-choice politics explicit. And he frets that this will then harm McCain's standing with Concerned Christian Conservatives such as himself.

It's transparent, it's absurd, it's blatantly dishonest, it's scandalous in its contempt for fair play, nevermind the contempt shown for the intelligence of the American voter, and, most important of all, it's a big juicy story about shabbily dishonest political skullduggery the MSM should be covering but of course will not.


And, as a concerned Christian conservative, I support the media's brave and honest digging into Sarah Palin's history while studiously avoiding Barack Obama's.


PS: The media is in a uniquely advantageous position to report this story. As many of these Concerned Christian Conservatives are posting on the media's comment boards, any MSM organization out there could begin looking at the IP's of Concerned Christian Conservatives to see if they originate from DC or Chicago. Or if they've been suspiciously anonymized.

And they could even just ask Axelrod if the campaign is doing this -- getting them on record before they begin checking.

But they won't.

They know damn well Axelrod is doing this -- but they approve of the technique.

And, as a Concerned Christian Conservative conservatively concerned by Christian commenters conservative Christian concerns, I applaud them!


PPS: Didn't McCain do this too?

Yes and no. "No" being the more important answer.

It is true that McCain's website encouraged readers to put out the McCain message out on blogs, and to refute smears against him, and etc.

He was rapped for this encouragement -- including by me. Not for its actual dishonesty. More for the Ron Paul-esque pure annoyance factor.

But his encouragement was not a dishonest one. He did not encourage his readers to pose as "liberal leaning former Hillary voters" who "think Obama is a nice guy and has a good sense of oratory" but who is "simply not prepared to lead."

He encouraged his real readers-- real people -- to just push the McCain message out there -- but, crucially, not to disguise the partisan leaning of the commenter pushing the message.

In Obama's case, it's not merely supporters of Obama pushing his message. Seattle Slough does this every week, but no one accuses him of hiding his liberal bent.

No, in Obama's case, he has PR professionals busy, busy, busy at their keyboards, falsely claiming to be Republicans or Christians, all working off the same basic three-part script. 1, Claim to be conservative or Christian, 2, say some weakly charitable things about McCain and/or Palin to "prove" you're not a partisan, 3, stick the dagger in and then break it off.

And once again, as a Christian conservative filled with concerns (as well as some chagrin -- did I mention my chagrin?), although I will concede that John McCain served his country well and Sarah Palin is an attractive candidate, I must express my Christian conservative concerns that they are Nazis who hunt, kill, butcher and eat human beings.

I don't know about your Bible, but mine says I can't even eat fucking shelfish*, never mind people.

* True, this is in the "Jew Section." As a Concerned Christian Conservative, this edict does not apply to me, as it is supplanted by Jesus' Sermon at the Red Lobster.

Posted by: Ace at 05:24 PM



Comments

1 In the spammer underground that is called SEO  "Search Engine Optimization".

Posted by: Larry Sheldon at September 15, 2008 05:29 PM (OmeRL)

2 As a concerned Christian conservative voter, I am concerned.

Posted by: Squatch at September 15, 2008 05:30 PM (COZb8)

3 Dave Linhardt is among the leading promoters of the technique.

"Googleing" for some of the various nyms I have used over the years will disclose things about me that I never knew.

Posted by: Larry Sheldon at September 15, 2008 05:30 PM (OmeRL)

4 Moby is a prick.

Posted by: MobyGOP at September 15, 2008 05:31 PM (AQj/2)

5 I'm also concerned about being a concerned Christian conservative voter. For what it's worth.

Posted by: Squatch at September 15, 2008 05:31 PM (COZb8)

6 Way to go Ace, I knew you'd put it together!

This is huge!  But as a christian I'm concerned it wont be covered by the media.

Posted by: jawbone at September 15, 2008 05:32 PM (JalPh)

7 And of course lefty blogs have a built in mechanism to prevent astroturfing from happening to them: they ban anyone who doesn't 100% toe the party line.

Posted by: Manco at September 15, 2008 05:32 PM (6FHnK)

8

"as a deeply concerned Christian conservative"

Fixed it.

Remember - NPR can't say concerned without deeply in front of it.

Posted by: maxxman at September 15, 2008 05:33 PM (OYeDg)

9 No, I am Spartacus!

Posted by: Concerned at September 15, 2008 05:33 PM (Am6n/)

10 You know I would have once covered this carefully and closely with multiple examples of carefully researched comments from different websites as examples of the work and discuss the idea behind it and so on, but... nobody seemed to give a crap but me. Sorry, just a little bitter.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 15, 2008 05:33 PM (0+Ggj)

11 As a concerned Christian conservative I think Mrs. Palin's speech (that made a frontal attack upon Mr. Obama's record and policy aims) to be morally superior to sniping, mincing, cowardly backstabbing via "lipstick" coded language, or astroturfing.


Posted by: steve poling at September 15, 2008 05:33 PM (UWHTf)

12

As a Christian conservative, I am conservatively Christian.

And therefore, of couse, I'm voting for Barack Obama, as a conservative Christian, because he votes for infanticide, and that brings the babies closer to Jesus as quickly as possible.  That is the conservative ideal, right after putting Sarah Palin under a board and pressing her to death for fornicating, which is a sin, even in marriage.  I probably learned that from anti-semetic and gay gossip site The Atlantic.

Or something.

Gobama! 

Fin.

Posted by: Konservative Kensington at September 15, 2008 05:34 PM (kFwRi)

13

I’ve been a Christianist and a right-winger since conception, but I’m very concerned about this election. My pastor told me that Sarah Palin, while mayor of the tiny town of Wasilla, banned hundreds if not thousands of books. The Bible is a book, and God’s eternal word. How long before Sarah Palin bans God’s word?

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at September 15, 2008 05:34 PM (UhO7h)

14 I agree.

Posted by: Concerned Conservative Jew at September 15, 2008 05:34 PM (vjqZl)

15 As a concerned life long Rethuglican Warmongerer, i can only say that despite your feeble attempts at tying the Obama campaign to certain concerned people, you can't prove anything. It's your word against ours their.

Posted by: NOT David Axelrod at September 15, 2008 05:35 PM (DEQ71)

16

Obama’s Two Feet In Mouth:

1. “Bush Doctrine” vs. McCain/Palin Platform

Whatever Charles Gibson reported and the MSM propagandize the “Bush Doctrine” to be, Palin did not discuss it as the McCain/Palin platform. Hence, the RNC’08 ticket is NOT another Bush term; McCain/Palin are not a Bush surrogate.

2. “McCain Is Computer Illiterate”

Beyond the lies, the “McCain Since 1982″ disco ball ad features music from the late 1960s. The musical selection dates from the period of The Mamas And The Papas (compare flute improv solos) in the same compositional genre as the theme music composed for the TV hit series “Hawaii Five-O” (different tempo speeds, but same era).

Obama’s people are SO out of touch with historical authenticity. They just don’t get context, nor do they have good timing. The big zero with NADA to his name Obama hasn’t the good sense to crawl under a rock and disappear. 

Posted by: maverick muse at September 15, 2008 05:35 PM (F1b/5)

17 As a concerned Christian in Ohio, I do hope that the media continues its full examination of Ms. Palin.  Her use of guns is especially disturbing to me and I'm sure she's a member of some white supremacist organization.

Posted by: Concerned Christian in Ohio at September 15, 2008 05:36 PM (vlmzk)

18 It's not too surprising that people are out mobying, or SEOing or whatever you want to call it.  Right and left leaners have been doing that for a very long time, many just to troll and be cute (I know I had a DU account for about an hour where I pretended to be a dem and posted some sane stuff that drove folks there crazy).

What's surprising is that Barack Obama himself has authorized this by hiring Axelrod, who perfected this extremely dishonest method.  It's just a tactic that is far beneath a presidential candidate.  Had Mccain hired Axelrod, it would be more than a story in every major paper; I imagine Mccain would be under ethics investigations.  Fraud is fraud. 

Posted by: Shill at September 15, 2008 05:37 PM (8jYMc)

19 Gabby Johnson is right!

Posted by: Jayne Cobb at September 15, 2008 05:37 PM (+MtXg)

20 One quick solution is just to pass the word along the conservative grapevine that the phrases "deeply concerned" and "saddened and disappointed" aren't to be used until 2009. Anyone using them after a week or two is a total Moby. Hell anyone using them now already sounds pretty wussy.

Posted by: Maetenloch at September 15, 2008 05:37 PM (hn7Rm)

21 As a concerned Christian I am just wondering how much money Obama can get funneled to my church. For the children of course. Then we can talk about my vote.

Posted by: John the Bupkiss. at September 15, 2008 05:37 PM (h/5U0)

22 Back in the '04 race I believe it was Hugh Hewitt that called them seminar callers or commenters and it was the same pattern then. Now when I hear or see "life long Republican/conservative/Christian but" warning bells go off. Terry McCauliffe used the same astroturfing technique back then and how well did that work for John Kerry.

Posted by: goat at September 15, 2008 05:37 PM (z+6oJ)

23 Of course, if anyone's claiming Axelrod is the pioneer of this -- or that the Dems are the only ones to do it, I've got a bridge to sell you. I know Republican strategists who've done this. Doesn't make it right, but there it is. Ultimately, outside of local elections, this sort of thing doesn't matter anyway.

Posted by: ken at September 15, 2008 05:38 PM (qx+Vq)

24 As a long-time writer for NRO, and super hetero baseball fan, I am deeply concerned about Sarah Palin's lack of understanding of The Bush Doctrine.

(Axelrod doesn't even pay me.  I'm just a TNR knob-shiner.)

Posted by: Rich Lowry at September 15, 2008 05:38 PM (8/0ME)

25 Wuzzadem had a picture that summed up the astroturfing sockpuppetry phenomenon perfectly: go here, then scroll about halfway down the page to the photo captioned "Where are all the real conservatives?"

Posted by: Alex at September 15, 2008 05:40 PM (fgyj8)

26 Doesn't this sudden concern over concerned christians concern you?

I think it should concern us all.

Posted by: horatio caine at September 15, 2008 05:41 PM (evdj2)

27 Could someone put the form for the concerned citizens' letter of concern in PDF form and put it on an accessible site (I'm thinking the DNC's site for no reason in particular) so that it would be easy for a web-savvy young voter to access?

Posted by: Mikey NTH at September 15, 2008 05:41 PM (TUWci)

28

You know I would have once covered this carefully and closely with multiple examples of carefully researched comments from different websites as examples of the work and discuss the idea behind it and so on, but... nobody seemed to give a crap but me. Sorry, just a little bitter.

Not true, we give a crap. Come on people, back me up on this before Christoper 'accidently' leaves his car running in the garage while taking a nap.

Posted by: Maetenloch at September 15, 2008 05:43 PM (hn7Rm)

29 I know Republican strategists who've done this.

Me too, I met them personally and shook their hand!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 15, 2008 05:43 PM (0+Ggj)

30 The big surprise for them will be how many atheists will actually pull the lever for McCain when behind the voting curtain.

Posted by: John the Bupkiss. at September 15, 2008 05:46 PM (h/5U0)

31 Is this an oxymoron? "Grass roots astroturfing"

Posted by: alycan at September 15, 2008 05:46 PM (Il2Ep)

32 As a lifelong heterosexual, I'm very concerned about the lies of Sarah Palin.

Although I attend a Christianist Church every Sunday, belong to the NRA, own a manly pit bull not some sissy dog, and would never like to be handcuffed to the bed and then probed by a handsome black man, I cannot remain silent while lying liar John McCain betrays everything conservatism stands for.

If you don't know, I suggest you buy a copy of the book "The Conservative Soul" by...the name escapes me now but he's a dreamy bald fellow.

Posted by: Drew Sullivan at September 15, 2008 05:48 PM (z5CCh)

33 Dear commited Christans

Barack Obama (peace be upon him) confesses today on GMA.

"If we're going to ask questions about, you know, who has been promulgating negative ads that are completely unrelated to the issues at hand, I think I win that contest pretty handily,"

HT to the Campaign Spot

Posted by: MoronThisLater at September 15, 2008 05:48 PM (PbkDy)

34 What? You mean Ace isn't a Concerned Christian Conservative? You fuckin' lied to me!!!!!1111!!!!!

Posted by: Concerned Christian Conservative at September 15, 2008 05:48 PM (vjqZl)

35

as a lesbian womyn

with a face like a bulldog licking piss off a briar

& a head large enough to generate

it's own gravvity well (google it!)

i am deeply concerned

that sarah palin

does not have enuff understnading

of MY bush doctrine.

Posted by: rosie o'donnel at September 15, 2008 05:49 PM (w+jXx)

36

Seek clarification from Tarsa at ctarsa@sturkey.com

 

Posted by: Molon Labe at September 15, 2008 05:53 PM (kYpqT)

37 As a longtime and loyal reader of the Ace of Spades, I am deeply concerned about all of this reported concern. Mr. AoS used to throw caution to the wind. With all the skullfucking and mind-thought bashing, it was a cornucopia of righteous indignation worthy of my time. Now, not so much.

The overweening concern should concern you all. I shall not return.

Good day, Sir!

Posted by: AnonymousConcernedDrivel at September 15, 2008 05:54 PM (sI5Ho)

38

Is this an oxymoron? "Grass roots astroturfing"

Yes.  It's meant to describe the fact that what is being pushed as a genuine, grass-roots movement or spontaneous expression of genuine opinion is actually manufactured, fake grass, or astroturf.  Rush, I think, coined the term "seminar caller," and has said that the give-away for all of these callers is when they preface their statement with "I have been a lifelong Republican...but..."

Posted by: angler at September 15, 2008 05:54 PM (kSuu1)

39 I just can't get over the example of a "concerned christian" who worries that McCain is not really pro-life.  Are they insinuating that they will instead vote for Obama who is extremely and openly pro-choice because of this? That doesn't even make sense! How stupid do they think we are?!

Posted by: Navi999 at September 15, 2008 05:54 PM (KOr7I)

40 I have never met any GOP strategists who would do this crap.

Ken, could you name a couple of them?  They should be fired.  Now, I'm sure that individual supporters of virtually everything have done this, but I don't think any recognized GOP strategist would do this.  Are you talking about a volunteer for a state senator or something?

I can tell you John Mccain would absolutely fire staff for this stupid shit.  A republican doing this is begging for disaster... the media won't cover his ass like they will for O.

Posted by: Shill at September 15, 2008 05:55 PM (8jYMc)

41

As a concerned Christian, I'm worried that Sarah Palin isn't doing enough to stop the coming machine apocalypse.

*Goes back to watching Fox, where Arnold Schwarzenegger is shooting at her in Terminator: The Sarah Palin Chronicles *

Posted by: George Turner at September 15, 2008 05:57 PM (AEU9F)

42 As a life long heterosexual man, I am concerned that Sarah Palin's 'icky' parts will get in the way of her being an effective leader.

Now, I have great appreciation for Mrs. Palin's obvious skills and perhaps once she stops menstruating, she will become the fabulous leader we all think she can be.

Mark me as a true conservative who sees great risks in Obama but unfortunately, must consider voting for him.

Posted by: A. Sullivan, Washington, D.C./Provincetown, MA at September 15, 2008 05:57 PM (hlYel)

43 As a concerned Saints fan, I'm worried that the first-string players may be the wrong choice in next week's game against the Denver Broncos. As playing their so-called "best" players only led to defeat this weekend, I fear that "staying the course" with the current line-up will only lead to defeat. This is a course of action I cannot, in good conscience, support. So although I am a Saints fan, I feel I must oppose them and don the blue and orange of our oppoonents next week and cheer for the Broncos. For the good of the Saints.

Posted by: FireHorse at September 15, 2008 06:00 PM (+dm+A)

44 I was surprised when someone from the Obama-blogsphere ran a few talking points as a comment on my blog.

http://usinkoreajournal.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/as-plain-as-day/#comment-586

It was right after the book Obama Nation came out.

Now, since I had switched my blog over not long before this, and did not transfer any of my old posts to the new site, I was only getting a tiny handful of hits per day.

But, fear of the book's impact got some Obama-sphere blogger to come over and attack - not really what I had to say - but the one specific claim in the book against Davis in Honolulu.

I had hoped the commenter would respond to some of the points I made -- like - since his online name suggested he was from Hawaii - how absolutely absurd it is for Obama to claim a connection to typical black anger in American society as a black man having grown up in the that society.  I lived in Hawaii for 3 years - on Oahu - and I doubt you could find a better place for a mixed race person to grow up --- since the ethnic make up is SO diverse....

But, the commenter stuck to the anti-Davis Connection theme.

Posted by: usinkorea at September 15, 2008 06:00 PM (3PWNg)

45

It is a sure sign that the Presidential election is upon us, when the MSM trots outs its "lifelong Republican" that is rejecting the Republican candidate to finally elect the "proper" candidate.  If as many people were abandoning the Republican party, as the MSM tries to project every election, it would have die three decades ago.

I guess starting with the small Lebanon paper is the new strategy, they usually show up on one of the morning shows with the Today Show or Good Morning America.

In 25 years of following Presidential elections, I have never seen an interview with a "lifelong Democrat" who is abandoning the communist party to join the Republicans.  It concerns this conservative Christian!

Posted by: LogicalUS at September 15, 2008 06:09 PM (1qLzq)

46

As a concerned Christian conservative, I am deeply troubled by the divisive nature  of this sort of low scumsucking, bottomfeeding suggestion that Baron Axelrod and Saint Obama would have anything to do with astroturfing.  It saddens me but that is not the Obama that I knew.

I would hope that you would change your view and come to Jesu--er the Obamessiah as it were. 

Whata bunch of jagoffs these Obama clowns are.

Posted by: Michael J. Myers at September 15, 2008 06:11 PM (LZ3cP)

47 I hear if u vote for her u get a kiss.Plus if u are under 25 a handjob.under 25 blowjob under 17 the holy grail.

Posted by: me at September 15, 2008 06:15 PM (w+qGb)

48 As a first time young voter who resides in the liberal city of New York, I will cast my vote for McCain and Palin.... The NYT, Daily News, MSM won't stop me from voting for this ticket in this blue state....

Posted by: Jay at September 15, 2008 06:19 PM (tVHgs)

49 While all this lifelong republicanism and concerned Christianity is really nice and shit and I'm really happy to be among my brothers and sisters testifying and everything. I've heard rumours that there is some kinda' scandal involving a large breasted Japanese woman. Any of y'all good christian , republican folks know anything about that ? Cause ,  there's nothing I hate more than women with large bosoms flaunting their charms on the Internet.
 
Yours respectfully,
another concerned christian , republican crusader who's not at all interested in attractive large breasted women.

Posted by: aubrey at September 15, 2008 06:20 PM (q/Z0+)

50 I was listening to Brian and the Judge this morning and a caller started spouting this garbage. What was weird is he was all over the place with his comments. I thought it sounded suspicious.

Posted by: Howcome at September 15, 2008 06:22 PM (Z++68)

51 As a deeply conservative who is deeply Christian, I have to say that my conservative concerns were deeply disturbed by the reckless way in which McCain has chosen a woman with more experience than Obama to be his underling.
My name is David Axelrod, and I approve this concern.

Posted by: Potosi Joel at September 15, 2008 06:23 PM (TPRbZ)

52 As a Pagan Lesbian Feminist, I'm concerned about Obama's ears and Joe Biden's hair plugs.  Nothing screeches patriarchy (besides lesbian pagan feminists) like hair plugs and ginormous ears.    

Posted by: Lefty McMoonbat at September 15, 2008 06:25 PM (Z7fcC)

53 ok enough with the damn astroturfing Ace... I can't understand who's writing what or when your serious or not... you made your point now back to reporting from your own point of view...

Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at September 15, 2008 06:25 PM (6+1FS)

54 Heh.  I read this post, and then hopped in the car to drive over to the post office.  As soon as I turned on the radio, a "deeply concerned Republican" was calling into Michael Medved to say how "concerned" he was (I counted him say that five times) that McCain was so OLD, and that he was SEVENTY TWO, and also that he was OLD!!!!!

They're as insultingly transparent as my kids making up some stupid excuse as to why my 23oz milled-face framing hammer is getting rusty on the backyard lawn instead of in the fucking garage where it belongs.

Posted by: a4g at September 15, 2008 06:26 PM (YGPTF)

55 a4g, framing hammers are kinda dangerous.  You must have cool kids.

Posted by: Shill at September 15, 2008 06:28 PM (8jYMc)

56 Ever notice how much dumber the dems are in repeating their talking points.  Used to be you could at least get a little different spin.  Now, hear three dems, you get the same exact line three times.  Geebus, they can't even figure out how to rephrase a sentence anymore. 

Posted by: Ann at September 15, 2008 06:28 PM (c3H+i)

57 Why did you "memory hole" the ball dipping post?

Posted by: jason at September 15, 2008 06:30 PM (MELd7)

58 Back in the '04 race I believe it was Hugh Hewitt that called them seminar callers or commenters and it was the same pattern then.

Nitpicky detail, but I think it was Rush Limbaugh who coined the term "seminar callers" back in the 90s to describe the obvious faux conservatives who would call in to his show to plug DNC talking points. Rush claimed that liberals, alarmed over talk radio's influence, were putting on seminars to teach Dem operatives how to call in to conservative shows and spread FUD.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 15, 2008 06:31 PM (FO+YO)

59

Axelrod

Grassroots

Astroturfing

Bush Doctrine

Deep Concern ( not concern, but deep concern)

Can't you morons see where this is going?

Posted by: SlaveDog at September 15, 2008 06:33 PM (6Gy0q)

60 >>>Why did you "memory hole" the ball dipping post?

Timing.  Too much at once.  Duplicative at the moment.

I'll post it later or tomorrow to "refresh" the issue.  I don't need to refresh it now as I'm currently obsessing on it.


Posted by: ace at September 15, 2008 06:33 PM (1WR4H)

61 But seriously, do they actually get paid for it? How many people they managed to sway? Don't they realize that posting "all over teh internets" with millions of idiots typing idiotic comments at all times is like peeing in the ocean?

Posted by: NOT David Axelrod at September 15, 2008 06:35 PM (DEQ71)

62

As a Concerned Christian Conservative  Citizen we should crucially consider and counsel immediate chainsaw castration for the communist candidate Carrack Cobama

 

Posted by: David at September 15, 2008 06:35 PM (CTSya)

63 >>>Timing.  Too much at once.  Duplicative at the moment.

>>>I'll post it later or tomorrow to "refresh" the issue.  I don't need to refresh it now as I'm currently obsessing on it.

Ah.  "Strategery!"

Posted by: jason at September 15, 2008 06:37 PM (MELd7)

64 Here I was ready to dip my balls into the ball-dipping post.


Posted by: JavaJoe at September 15, 2008 06:39 PM (Am6n/)

65 AstroTurfing doesn't work it is like Internet companies paying for clicks. I wonder how much Obama is paying for this? He is spending money like a drunken sailor and getting nothing in return. BTW keep up the good work guys.

Posted by: cv at September 15, 2008 06:39 PM (GmamD)

66 not that my opinion is super damn important, but I think Ace had a point about 'too much at the same time' on this issue.  It wasn't a bad idea to save a post for tomorrow. 

It's pretty damn important to find a way to get newspapers to comment on this story.  If instapundit picks this up, maybe the wapo will run a story on it.  At least get it in a few voter's heads that Obama's staff is pretending to be republican.

Posted by: Shill at September 15, 2008 06:39 PM (8jYMc)

67

>Timing.  Too much at once.  Duplicative at the moment.<

I've heard that a thousand times.  I don't take it personally anymore.  Anymore.

Posted by: SlaveDog at September 15, 2008 06:41 PM (6Gy0q)

68

Can you believe the dumb bastard actually said this today?:

“If we’re going to ask questions about, you know, who has been promulgating negative ads that are completely unrelated to the issues at hand, I think I win that contest pretty handily,” Obama said.

I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.

Posted by: fake glasses nose and mustache at September 15, 2008 06:48 PM (0XpI7)

69

As Andrew Sullivan's long time cabana boy, I'm appalled that your right wing whacko (ooh whacko) assaults on my friendly teddy have fianlly sent him over the edge.

Have you ever had to clean cups of drool off a keyboard? Have you?

I rest my case.

Posted by: Gleen at September 15, 2008 06:53 PM (JQwWt)

70 As a feminister, who buys bras by the gross just to burn them recreationally, I am terribly concerned that Uh-bama seems to have nothing better to offer than the vague yet unfounded idea that John McCain = Chimpy McBushitler [note the *Mc* -- see??/ see??!?one!!!]

Why is he running against a guy who isn't running?!?

Posted by: Faye Kinnitt at September 15, 2008 06:57 PM (l1oyw)

71

Hey, I got a reply from Tarsa. Here it is in total:

Q

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Not sure he knows how to work that thing.

Posted by: Molon Labe at September 15, 2008 07:12 PM (kYpqT)

72 As a negro by choice, I'd like to say . . .

Posted by: Dan Collins at September 15, 2008 07:12 PM (SohFK)

73 This astroturfing strategy is really pretty transparent once one sees the same things and talking points over and over again, and especially when the astroturfed comments usually bear no real relationship to the comments topic into which they are inserted.  Also, they often say what a lib astroturfer THINKS a self identified conservative or Christian might say in the context of their own faulty stereotypes. It has been especially noticeable in the past few days. I've even noticed considerable misspellings and enough wrong tenses and awkward sentence construction to wonder of this stuff is being "outsourced" overseas. My recommendation is not to reply, or react to, or engage with such comments on blogs or newspaper sites other than to inject the single word "astroturfing" after each obvious one.

Posted by: Elizabeth R at September 15, 2008 07:17 PM (lNQk2)

74

This is funny because I had heard so many of these comments in the last few weeks, both on line and on talk radio. The comments were exactly as displayed and after the third or fourth I said to myself, this sounds liked organized talking points, and guess what, I was right.

The best one was someone who said they were conservative and Romney was their first choice, but since Romney is not on the ticket he is going with his second choice "get this" Barrack Obama. The host quickly pounced on this and asked how can you have Romney as your number one and Obama as your number two, they are complete opposites, I believe the caller hung up.

 

Posted by: Craigm68 at September 15, 2008 07:22 PM (0nkpj)

75 I have been watching c-span and all the republican calling in say the same thing. They have alway been a republican but will vote for Nobama.
Another thing about C-span, they will have a dem caller, an indy caller, then the host will read from the washington post, then get another dem caller, indy caller, then a rino republican.

Posted by: shunha7878 at September 15, 2008 07:36 PM (/DeBx)

76

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Right now Im all about the Schadenfreude

FUCK YEAH!!!!!

Posted by: TMF at September 15, 2008 08:07 PM (/YM8H)

77 Not David Axelrod,

YES, they do get paid for it.  Absolutely they get paid for it.  It's like call-centers that telemarket.  This is why all these IP addresses are from Chicago or DC, where the Democrats have old call centers now stuffed with workers.

This is what Axelrod is known for.  His plan was to market products by paying people to astroturf all day.  That's what he's doing for Obama now.  It's not like some fruit loop volunteer is being a moby: this is a line on an expense report.

Posted by: Shill at September 15, 2008 08:11 PM (8jYMc)

78

Here is a link to the actual Letter to the Editor

http://www.ldnews.com/ci_10436829

Anonymous, registration-free comments allowed!

 

Posted by: Molon Labe at September 15, 2008 08:13 PM (kYpqT)

79 And Elizabeth R is probably right that some of this is now coming from overseas (when an IP that claims to be American resolves to a foreign country, I usually assume it's proxied, but it could be accurate).  Liz is right that a lot of these comments are barely English.  Either they are written fast and sloppy (or deliberately pretending to be a dumb hick), or it's just some shmuck in Delhi trying to feed his kids with a translator program.

Man, if it could be proven that Obama's campaign outsourced fake american commenters to China and India....

But how to prove it?  I imagine all that money Obama brings in from overseas could easily be pushed into a slush fund.  If the money never makes it to the USA, and is just spent on this kind of thing, how could anyone trace it?

Posted by: Shill at September 15, 2008 08:17 PM (8jYMc)

80 As a concerned atheist, I'm concerned that too much concern is causing so much concern! (Blazing Saddles is now stuck in my head. . . . but that's a grand thing. . . because now. . . I'm not so concerned)

Posted by: JP at September 15, 2008 08:20 PM (Tae/a)

81 Jesus' Sermon at the Red Lobster.

Funniest thing I've read all year.

-Brennan

Posted by: Brennan at September 15, 2008 08:21 PM (ykVZW)

82 As a concerned leftard blowhole, I fear the MSM will begin to concentrate on the living skeletons in Obama's closet, like Ayers and how much he took from Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac.

Not.

Posted by: Angus Dei at September 15, 2008 08:24 PM (reJIn)

83 Maybe this helps explain Obama's high burn rate of campaign cash?

Posted by: Mark at September 15, 2008 08:31 PM (B8Ib9)

84 I'm a dick, but here's the link to the Lebanon Democrats' Contact Info.  Your man is there.

Posted by: da kine at September 15, 2008 08:39 PM (2aGj6)

85 Ironically, all those deceitful so-called "concerned Christians" are going to go to hell for lying!

Posted by: Kevin at September 15, 2008 08:41 PM (+92sn)

86 As a red-meat hippie who hasn't been to church in over a year, I am shallowly concerned.

This meat just doesn't look red enough to me. Are you sure it's not chicken?

Posted by: McGehee at September 15, 2008 08:45 PM (K13Au)

87 To be fair, I'm not sure there aren't a lot of "former McCain supporters" who don't like him now that he's actually running for office opposite The One. He always did have a lot of support from moderately Liberal college students.

Posted by: The Band at September 15, 2008 09:20 PM (XsVqe)

88 You know the funny thing about "but he's too old" comments?  Obama is crashing in that demographic - turns out when you imply McCain is too old to be president the geezer brigade takes umbrage.  So he's trading a bunch of older voters for college kids.

If that ain't a successful strategy I don't know what is.  Everyone knows the kids are reliable as clockwork and the geezers stay home on election day.

Posted by: Ace's liver at September 15, 2008 09:50 PM (XIXhw)

89 They also insert troll comments at the top of  fresh posts.  To do this, they have to catch the post right as it goes up, which requires planning and information.  What they don't realize is this behavior pisses guys like me off so thoroughly it has transformed me from a passively disinterested blog reader to a rabid Obama hater.

Posted by: bc at September 15, 2008 10:43 PM (i++qn)

90 The thing that gets me about these "evangelicals" who claim to support Obama? He's one of the most rabidly pro-choice politicians there ever has been. Don't get me wrong, I get that there's more issues out there than abortion, and not all evangelicals are the single-issue voting cartoons the libs make us out to be. But if a woman has an abortion, is granted her full right to choice and relieved of her pregnancy, and the fetus happens to survive and is far enough along in its gestation that medical attention can save its life, Obama's position is that the child STILL must die. That's not the right to choice, that's the right to murder, and the Obama camp wants us to believe that there are evangelicals out there that support that?? Yeah, okay, I'm sure one or two exist. The others might want to research what evangelicals actually believe and think about becoming Unitarian or something.

C.S. Lewis said nothing can deceive unless it bears a plausible resemblance to the truth. Evangelicals supporting Obama in significant numbers? Not plausible. Not even a little. Try again, Team O.

Posted by: ClobberGirl at September 15, 2008 11:10 PM (7DkZQ)

91 I've been noticing rather strange comments for months; see my name's link. For instance, on one Ambinder thread there were several supposedly different white women in their 50s who'd switched from Hill to BHO.

See also the front page of Digg.

Posted by: The details at September 15, 2008 11:24 PM (OLX6B)

92 Of course, if anyone's claiming Axelrod is the pioneer of this -- or that the Dems are the only ones to do it, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Sell it to Business Week.

And has anybody done this crap during a presidential campaign? I'm guessing no, or they'd have realized how quickly people would start to catch on.

Posted by: Jim Treacher at September 16, 2008 12:14 AM (NV3P1)

93 if it could be proven that Obama's campaign outsourced fake american commenters to China and India.....

India seems very likely. IP watch?

Posted by: Serious Cat/SarahW at September 16, 2008 12:39 AM (7sl9X)

94

Yesterday I saw an article about hoe young evangelicals were concerned about the choice of Palin.  Sure they are.  Of course, since Obama is counting on all the new and young voters to put him over the top, an article like that was sure to come out.

I seem to recall that young voters were going to win it for Gore and Kerry too. 

Posted by: Brian G. at September 16, 2008 12:54 AM (tl+LQ)

95 Not only is America bursting with concerned christian....however Ace put it....but how damn timely is it that BO's campaign chooses this moment to debut it's new line of "Believers for Barack" merchandise? 

Posted by: Steve at September 16, 2008 01:54 AM (CzEV4)

96 Astroturfers must be what Rush calls Seminar Callers. They, too, always start out with "Rush, I've been listening to you 20 years, agree with everything you say, until now..." or "I'm a lifelong Republican, but I totally disagree..."  These people should get a cattleprod up the...


Posted by: Peg C. at September 16, 2008 02:18 AM (cEAy0)

97 I'm a committed Christian conservative, but I've got to say that Obama's got my vote, and this is because all the women associated with the McCain ticket give me an unholy feeling of uplift -- IYKWIMAITYDPTL -- and I'm concerned that a full four years of loinal turbulence every time I turn on the news will be too much for me.  So I'm voting for Obama.  That guy's wife reminds me of Jackie Robinson, so I should be OK. 

Posted by: apuresoul at September 16, 2008 03:05 AM (1hkXr)

98 FWIW, per the quoted WSJ article , The Daily News is a Lebanon, Pennsylvania, not Lebanon, New Hampshire paper.

Posted by: smk at September 16, 2008 06:09 AM (e37oT)

99

Tried to call 'Linseed' Graham's office today as well as RNC. RNC may act on Gang of 10 idiots....but Linseed's office was a joke.  "....compromise, compromise, etc... to get something done".....

Smarmy desk jockey shmuck on the phone as well.

Posted by: Joe Hughes at September 16, 2008 10:04 AM (NItSZ)

100

This is nothing new:  I remember the "astroturfing" back in 1992  in the old Prodigy and GEnie forums by "Perot voters" explaining how as "life long Republicans" they could not conscienciously vote for George Bush as Perot was such a better candidate.  It was obvious they were doing cut-and-pastes from a script, too.

The tactic probably predates the Internet.  Any forum where a stranger can stand up and declare himself a "Concerned Christian" or "disatisfied Republican voter" w/o being ridden out of town on a rail is ripe for astroturfing.  I saw a newspaper article awhile back about how they have to screen the "Letters to the Editor" section to weed out partisan letter-writing campaigns.

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Integrity SAT's: Entrance Exam for Paul Anka's Band
AllahPundit's Paul Anka 45's Collection
AnkaPundit: Paul Anka Takes Over the Site for a Weekend (Continues through to Monday's postings)
George Bush Slices Don Rumsfeld Like an F*ckin' Hammer
Top Top Tens

Democratic Forays into Erotica
New Shows On Gore's DNC/MTV Network
Nicknames for Potatoes, By People Who Really Hate Potatoes
Star Wars Euphemisms for Self-Abuse
Signs You're at an Iraqi "Wedding Party"
Signs Your Clown Has Gone Bad
Signs That You, Geroge Michael, Should Probably Just Give It Up

Signs of Hip-Hop Influence on John Kerry
NYT Headlines Spinning Bush's Jobs Boom
Things People Are More Likely to Say Than "Did You Hear What Al Franken Said Yesterday?"
Signs that Paul Krugman Has Lost His Frickin' Mind
All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd
Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
Signs That David Letterman Just Doesn't Care Anymore
Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery
Signs Andy Rooney Is Going Senile
Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
Changes Liberal Senator George Michell Will Make at Disney
Torments in Dog-Hell
Greatest Hitjobs

The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat

Ann Coulter
National Review Online
The Perfect World
Free Republic
Lucianne
The Note

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