1 It's her opinion. The President and Vice President do not make laws. She seeks to persuade, not dictate.

2 If she raped me I'd carry her baby to term, so you  know, I'm quite sympathetic with her view.

3 She just needs to make clear the differences between her personal beliefs and the law.  Now if you'll excuse me, I gotta go throw some sticks under my still.

4 Great performance in that clip.

I was hoping she'd help play for independents by making a strong distinction between her personal views and her legislative agenda.

She did, and did it well.

5

Ouch, that might hurt. Disney Mom is gonna lose some of the Gloria Steinham vote right there.

BTW, not hearing much about Matt Damon lately. Kind of dissapinting, really.

6 Finally - she pwned the fuck out of this part.

7 I'm in love again.......(despite the fact that I'm  a fag)

8 Matt Damon?  MATT DAMON!

9 She just needs to make clear the differences between her personal beliefs and the law.

Spot-on.  Believing that something is wrong doesn't necessarily mean you're going to crusade to use the power of the government to prohibit people from doing it.  An executive administration could make it official policy to discourage abortion through a number of persuasive but not coercive means (e.g. encouraging funding for adoption counseling or whatever).  She needs to clarify how her beliefs will play out in actual policy.

Gotta say, I like her but she could stand to answer the questions better.  She's giving technically correct answers, but leaving a lot of openings to unfair spin that she shouldn't be leaving.  See her discussion of Georgia, NATO, and Russia.

10

...but a lot of people who are sort of in the middle on the issue are going to balk at the idea of forcing a raped woman to carry her rapist's child to term.

I just didn't come away thinking that's what she wants.  I think she made it pretty clear that she was offering her peronsal opinions and that she appreciates other views on abortion for rape victims.

Chill, dude.  It 's going to be O.K.

11 The reversal of Roe v. Wade will not result in abortion being completely outlawed. In fact, I don't think Roe v. Wade will ever be reversed. So, anyone who holds the opinion that abortion is wrong in all instances is entitled to their opinion.

What I can't stand and happens with the left, is that anyone who holds a different view on abortion or anything else had to be crucified, fired, scorned, etc. Same with the evolution issue with lefttards and libertarians (you know who you are).  I'm not saying you have to tolerate all views you disagree with, but this beating someone over the head with a baseball bat who doesn't share your view is sickening.

12 "BTW, not hearing much about Matt Damon lately. Kind of dissapinting, really."


I'm fucking Matt Damon.



No, seriously.

13 She said she'd leave it up to the states. That's all that matters to me.

States Rights for the win.

14 I always love how leftists string together as many scary sounding superfluous descriptors as they can when describing firearms.

15 The dead cannot be compensated.
Inconvenience can be compensated.  [Of course nobody would consider the compensation to be fair.  I am sure there is a principle of tort law that tells us how to compensate someone for complying with fait accompli or force majeure or whatever latin or norman phrase applies.]

16 I do, and others will want her to distinguish between her personal beliefs and the law. It's a woman's perfect right to say inducing abortion or even preventing conception is wrong. Where the state interferes in a woman protecting her own body from risks and rigors of pregnancy, ( and those risks are not little and light) is another matter.

Her actions as an elected official do not show her as someone who thwarts or bends the law on this matter, or even lets her beliefs serve as a litmus for appointments. She has not acted in an extreme way as governor, only served as an example of her beliefs, in her own life.

17 Disney Mom is gonna lose some of the Gloria Steinham vote right there.

You gotta have something before you can lose it, retard.

Speaking of retards, have you ever heard Steinem speak? What is it about the upper West/East side of Manhattan?. It's like a black hole of IQ suck.

18 Maaaaat Daaaamooonnn!

19 She needs to clarify how her beliefs will play out in actual policy.

How can she do that? It is McCain who will control policy. Not saying that she won't have some input, but she was picked two weeks ago,  nominated a week ago, and has been campaigning almost nonstop and just returned to Alaska to fullfill some of her governer duties. It's not like she or they have had enough time to hammer thinks out. And it's not like the democrats are expected to be more exact.

20 Screwed up the tag, so I'm doing that post over:

I do, and others will want her to distinguish between her personal beliefs and the law. It's a woman's perfect right to say inducing abortion or even preventing conception is wrong. Where the state interferes in a woman protecting her own body from risks and rigors of pregnancy, ( and those risks are not little and light) is another matter.

Her actions as an elected official do not show her as someone who thwarts or bends the law on this matter, or even lets her beliefs serve as a litmus for appointments. She has not acted in an extreme way as governor, only served as an example of her beliefs, in her own life.

21

semiautomatic assault weapon

The left rapes the English language on a daily basis. These are the same idiots that call a semi-automatic pistol a "machine gun".

22

Frankly such a hard stance on Rape and Incest (Expecially incest, thats like rape +) is going to turn a large portion of the women who are all reved up about here completly off, who in my opinon would have just voted for her becuase shes a woman. Oh well. Still wont be a large enough portion but it will see her aprovability numbers drop a few points. It was still a rock solid interview, much better than last night.

23 Palin mouthing?

/bunk

24

If she raped me I'd carry her baby to term, so you  know, I'm quite sympathetic with her view.

Hey asshole, the Rape line starts behind me.

25 Holy buckets, Batman, she was good.  Totally relaxed and unflappable.

26

I hated that question about the assault weapons too.

They use that term cuz people thing "semi-automatic," sounds a lot like "automatic," which makes people think of Machine Guns, and they think, HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!!  Everyone's gonna be able to buy SAW! (according to some douche on CNN, thats a "very heavy weapon.") and mow down the neares farmers Market!

Blatant rhetorical dishonesty.

27

Hey asshole, the Rape line starts behind me.

Really does not read well Maet.

28

Inconvenience can be compensated.

Inconvenience? Having to wait on a long line at the post office is an inconvenience. Spending 9 months growing your rapist's baby and then delivering it against your will is something else altogether.

I agree with the posters who say that she needs to be very very clear that this is her personal opinion and not a policy she's itching to implement because she will lose women on this one.

29 I'm torn between the issue myself, but I give her props for sticking to her convictions, this lady is the real deal. She's not telling people what they want to hear, she's telling em' just who she is. She's leather, not pleather.

The only time I would deem it as acceptable is giving birth puts the mothers life in jeapordy.

With that said, expect a collective ("gasp") from the nutroots and the left who will try to make this an issue, but hell, it aint' an issue because they believe there shouldn't be any impediment to abortion on demand without an issue whatsoever.

30 Holy crap! An honest politician that tells you her personal opinion, and tells you it may not be reflected in policy because politics requires reasonable compromise. This is a real leader looking for win-win solutions. I truly can not believe we have a national candidate of this caliber, it is outstanding.

If 80% of Alaska is like this, I might be moving there.

31 "I'm torn between the issue myself, but I give her props for sticking to her convictions, this lady is the real deal. She's not telling people what they want to hear, she's telling em' just who she is. She's leather, not pleather.

The only time I would deem it as acceptable is giving birth puts the mothers life in jeapordy.

With that said, expect a collective ("gasp") from the nutroots and the left who will try to make this an issue, but hell, it aint' an issue because they believe there shouldn't be any impediment to abortion on demand without an issue whatsoever."


O.K., I had to repost that in my true s.n., Andrew Sullivans name on it, somehow made me feel like I commited blasphemy.

32 TiredWench, she did.  She said that that is her personal conviction, and then she punted (which is actually the PROPER choice) to the states.  That also say's she thinks RVW is bullshit, which sounds like the cheerleader might know a thing or two about the constitution that her opponent, corronated presidential candidate Obama/Law Professor does.

33

Hey asshole, the Rape line starts behind me.

Really does not read well Maet.

Man when WP thinks you've gone too far, maybe it's time for a break

34 (according to some douche on CNN, thats a "very heavy weapon.")

If memory serves, that was Jamie McIntyre. The CNN Senior Pentagon correspondent.

35 I don't think it was too far, it just didn't read right, it had more the flavor of Palin on the pinball machine, rather than you guys taking turns being raped.

36

Hey asshole, the Rape line starts behind me.

I took that line in the best way possible.

But that's just me.

37 If a rape victim get the the hospital right away, it's highly unlikely she'll become pregnant.  That said, I would still leave the decision to her and her doctor.

Incest victims are the most tragic cases.  Again, the health of the mother takes precedence, and that's a call that she or her guardian (court appointed if necessary) and doctor need to make.

38 Yes, the baby is innocent. But so is the woman.

I think the other side has the "punishment with a baby voting bloc" locked up.  Besides, I thought the MSM convinced everyone a President should have the benefit of different opinions.

39 Blazer. pregnancy always puts a woman's life in danger, and always puts her at risk of significant physical injury, so you must mean some other kind of more specific situation.

(Even healthy women with adeqate access to medical care, can have completely unpredictable events occur that result in significant morbidity or mortality.)

40 "Incest victims are the most tragic cases."


Ah beg to diffah', look at me, ah turned out just fine. 

41

70%

Exact words.

Prove it.

42 Does that mean we can officially stop panicking now?  Shes the same strong woman we've grown to love.  She just needs to learn foreign policy.  Other than immigration she has a great mentor in that area.  This is the perfect role for her at this stage of her political career if she is the next Conservative icon.

43 Not to mention, pregnancy can temporarily disable, make a woman sick, unemployable, and cause a host complications with lasting effects. Even when pregnancy goes perfectly, there are lasting physical effects.

I have my own opinion about how I would act in such a case as rape. I reserve the right to change my mind. But the law should never force a woman to bring a rapists offspring into the world using her hijacked body.

44 TiredWench
While I personally agree with you and firmly believe that up until the heart starts beating you can do what you wish. At some point (that is arguable) it becomes a human being. Killing a human being is wrong unless that human being is trying to kill you.

45 Due to a train crash the local ABC station chose not to show the Network news tonight but this clip was much better than the war last night. Palin was clear, Gibson didn't seem like such an ass. I wonder if ABC re-edited this in light of the fuss over Thursday nights inquisition interview?

46 Not that I think getting all the Hillary voters is realistic, but there must be some deliciously-diabolical-seeming-to-the-Angry-Left way Sarah can not only pay Hillary a compliment, but also express how she can now really empathize with how the press treated Hillary so critically while leaving Barack's record unexamined.  Still, her "she took some big hits" approach is probably the wiser one and the one to which such voters, to the extent they are susceptible, would be more likely to respond.

47

TiredWench, she did. She said that that is her personal conviction, and then she punted (which is actually the PROPER choice) to the states. That also say's she thinks RVW is bullshit, which sounds like the cheerleader might know a thing or two about the constitution that her opponent, corronated presidential candidate Obama/Law Professor does.

That's fine, but she needs to say it often and all the time, bcse the dems will be hammering hard on this in an effort to get moderate women voters back on their side. As far as RVW goes, she (and we) may understand that it's constitutionally flawed, but most voters don't, and the dems know it all too well.

Oh, and for the record, I'm pro-choice.

48 you asswipes on the East Coast must be watching 20/20 by now... should I stay sober for another 3-hours?

Who am I fooling?  I'm not even sober now.

49 Wow, if you thought Gibson was bad the bio piece 20/20 is running takes the cake...

50 20/20  is on 8 minutes of miniscule smears.

51 "you asswipes on the East Coast must be watching 20/20 by now... should I stay sober for another 3-hours?"

Some of us are watching Charlie Rose, or as I like to call him, Ambien.

52 We here in the Los Angeles television market didn't get to see it -- got pre-empted by a head on train collision between a passenger train and a freight train.

53 Wow, if you thought Gibson was bad the bio piece 20/20 is running takes the cake...

Seriously - it's like I'm reading trolls on the internet from the past week.

54 Cheers!

55 New Newsweek poll.  Tie between McCain and Obama.  Sample is +8% Dems though.

56

Obviously, ABC  is trying to get points in NYC for being tough.  He comes off as a dick.

She comes off as a real person.

Slam dunk, another MSM train wreck.

What a condescending asshole.  Think every woman in this country identified with dickhead or Sarah?

40 states!

Kemp

57 At least they haven't called palin a carpet bagger for moving TO Alaska, and not being a native.

58 If you were dying, Vmaximus, for want of a kidney, the law doesn't force me to give you one of mine, even though I have a spare. Even if I am the one who caused you to lose your own kidneys.

In fact, the law doesn't force me to give you any of my blood, even though drawing it is a minor inconvenience to me, even if you will otherwise die, even if I were to blame for your needing blood.

59 Well, this is what I'm going to start calling the Super Bowl XXXX election.  Except the good guys come out winning.

Sure, the Steelers came out with the rings, but the WHOLE country knew the Seahawks actually won the game and was screwed by the refs.

The difference here is that that whole country gets to vote.

Take that NFL!!!!

60 From as near as I can tell, Gibson is now trying to talk her out of running for VP.

61 She's note "being talked about" for Vice President, "Charlie", she's the friggin' NOMINEE of the Republican Party!  Wow.

62 The principle is simple, all innocent human life regardless of how it was conceived is precious. She stands by her beliefs and principles. How rare.

63

Constitutionaly Flawed?

It doesn't take a lawyer to see that it was made up out of thin air, all it takes is someone who can take symbols, put them together to make words, and words together to make sentences, and sentences into paragraphs until eventualy you have an idea.

There wasn't even an idea in that fucking judgement.

64 Tap-dancing!?

:-)

65 Where the hell did Gibson get that 70% number? I try to keep fairly current on gun issues but that stat sounds like it came straight out of the Brady group. In other words , bullshit.

66 Allah needs to get out and meet some people that don't live on his street.  She did fine and has done fine all along.  If Kos sneezed would Allah wipe his nose?  I kid.  I kid.

67

 "Yes, the baby is innocent. But so is the woman. I don't think this is going to damage her much. But it is going to turn off some independentish women." Ace

I think most "independentish" women themselves think that this entire area is too complex to arbitrate for everyone, and that Palin is honest enough to say she respects that others have their own position; and maintaining respect is truly the tantamount feature. In rape it is truly up to the individual, and Palin isn't judging anyone's circumstance or subsequent choice when she clearly specifies their rights along with her own choice that includes allowing everyone to respectfully think through it all. She will do what is possible to enhance opportunities for those who wish to gestate to full term, completely respecting the birthmother's choice whether to keep her child or allow the child's adoption.

This is a social area that has been neglected since abortion was so much more convenient for all concerned and allowed for such easy profits from the enterprise. Most independent women know that this issue's improvement requires some more birthing empowerment because the American abortion industry is too vile.

68

Gibson is comparing per-person values, to transportation infrastructure spending.

What is the PER-MILE! values assmunch?

And he glossed over the totaly value of Obama's enforced charity, also called earmarks, which I think the number is something over 900 million bucks.

69 I had a "semi-automatic assault weapon" when I was about 13.  It was a Remington 22 cal nylon stock semi-automatic and I used it to "assault" 50 ft. NRA targets.

70

 Gloria Steinem is a divorced lonely bitter feminist who aborted her only child.

She hates Sarah because if Sarah is right then her entire life is a lie to women (which it is). 

71

Those fucking graphics - The Interview, Sarah Palin with Charlie Gibson - the soft, reverent voiceover segue and gentle music going into commercial like the fucking Masters on CBS.  What a bunch of cunts.

Then they've got the LOTR camera perspective thing going so Sarah looks like she should be a ventriloquist dummy on Gibson's lap.  Bloody cunts.

72

Abortion is the issue that haunts us and will continue to until we address as a nation.

To feminists Sarah HAS to wrong.

73

He started 3 straight questions with "Still. . . ." about abortion.

NO FUCKER NOT STILL!  I"M PRO-LIFE FUCKER GET IT?!

74 Okay - It's pointless, but this would nevertheless guarantee that I quit my job right now and spend every once of energy volunteering for the McCain campaign -

- Have Sarah Palin switch to a low voice and spend the rest of the interview just mimicking Charles Gibson with her answers.

75

70% ding, "people shooting people."

And points out the hypocracy of "illegal guns,"  This wasn't during NWT.

76

Gibson reminds me of the prof who administered my phd qualifying exam.  Granted, I think she handled herself fine...but it seemed a little excessive. 

Anchoress has a pretty good comparison of the questions Gibson asked Obama ("how does it feel to win?"  "how does your family feel about you breaking a glass ceiling") versus the questions he asked Palin ("Is it sexist for people to ask how can somebody manage a family of seven and the vice presidency?"  "Are you ready to be president?...well, doesn't that take hubris?")

I'd love to see a more complete side-by-side list of all questions.  I'd do it myself, but I don't think I can stomach watching the Obama interview in its entirety.

77

AD,

I disagree, she should say, "I'm sorry I couldn't hear that question, mind raising your voice nancy, or are you that frightened of a republican woman?"

78 "Talk Like a Man already!"

79 There are some questions and accusations that have arisen against Sarah Palin that many have called sexist and baseless . . .

by the way, here's a list of all of them . .

80 And while she was looking at the basketball court, he touched her,and thats why she put her hands in her pocket, probably to keep from punching him in the face.

81

I couldn't believe the lying shit in the 20/20 intro biography. I stopped watching right then and came to Ace's, where's it's nice and comfy. Well, after screaming at the TV set, "Where the fuck's the piece on Obama's expense accounts, suckers of cock? Where? Where?"

82

Charlie is REALLY pissing me off, by arbitrarily touching and grabbing her, like they used to fuck in highschool.

THAT is the only blatant sexism I have seen, and it's starting to piss me off.

83 Yeah, I caught that crap, too, AD.

84 Where the hell did Gibson get that 70% number?

aubrey, I believe he pulled that one straight out of his ass.

85

P.S. to AD

I even mocked that crap by saying, "At least they didn't mention 'and, BTW, some say her daughter's a slut who has harmed her mother's race for office'."

86 Now, he just insinuated that she whined.

87 Is there anyone at the table that didn't work for clinton?

88 She, WAS NOT! A beneficiary of Title IX, she spoke to that DIRECTLY!

89 OK then I'll vote Obama because of incest.

90 I get making the distinction between her personal opinion and legislation, but I'd like to see her actually say, "It's a state issue."

91

The abortion for rape and incest is not even a Red Herring.  It's more like a red guppy. 

Just how insignificant is that number of pregnancies?

You don't get pregnant from rape, and then go 3 months to be surprised, oh look, I'm preggers!

 

92 But as Allah notes, the no-exceptions-for-rape-and-incest thing will spook some people. Yes, it's a principled position, and she has the courage of her convictions, but a lot of people who are sort of in the middle on the issue are going to balk at the idea of forcing a raped woman to carry her rapist's child to term.

Yes, some people will find this off-putting, but as you say not sufficient to abandon supporting her.

Yes, the baby is innocent. But so is the woman.

Irrelevant. The baby being killed is an unjust and unreasonable response to the crime. We don't even kill the rapist, for crying out loud.

That said, I agree with Baxter: she should clearly state that she finds this a state issue.

93

Just how insignificant is that number of pregnancies?

Rape, incest, and health of mother combined make up less than 1% of abortions.

 

94

4 or my 5 guns are semi-automatic. The 5th one is a bolt action rifle that has actually been used as an assault rifle. Some Soviet soldier used it to kill Nazis back in WWII.

Palin has only reaffirmed why so many social cons are excited about her running. She might not always make people happy, but she seems to believe what she says. That alone is refreshing.

95

Sarah came out just fine indeed on this 20/20 segment, much better I think than the initial interview.

Her Hillary comment was much better than I had remembered earlier.  Not only was there the pricelessly genuine "I bet he wishes he'd picked her now" line, but she clearly referred admiringly to Hillary enduring the shots thrown "at her", with an emphasis on "her" that any Hillaryite would interpret to imply "and not thrown at Obama". 

Gibson's attempts to trip her up on matters Alaskan were foolish, and she took control.  Who does he think knows more about the Alaska budget and the Bridge to Nowhere than she does? 

Right to Bear Arms answer was a home run to the Base and nicely tied to her life story.

Troopergate and bookbanning were almost summarily dismissed, as they should have been.  But her answers I thought showed her confidence that she knew the precise issue involved in the troopergate case and that a thorough investigation would clear her.

Taken together with her non-fanatical-sounding abortion answers and contrasted with the opening bio hit-job and Gibson's obvious arrogance, she did great!  SARAH!

96

The 5th one is a bolt action rifle that has actually been used as an assault rifle

Infantry Rifle.  The first "Assault rifle," was the SturmGewer, it was an automatic rifle, that had a greater range and accuracy than the Machine Pistols aften used, oddly enough, for close assault, like the grease gun, and the thompson.

Anything that does not fire at auto, even the burst auto of the '16, is not an assault weapon at all.

It's IMPOSSIBLE for there to be a "semi-automatic assault weapon."

97 and I'm not a gun guy, I just watch a lot of history channel, and find "sayuncle" to be hilarious.

98

Gotcha questions ellicit canned responses. All condescending Charlie's questions were gotcha questions.

I guess she showed she can hang with the boys.

BTW there was much to like in her responses. The conservatism was refreshing.

99 Chucky K says Gibson is a self righteous retard.

100 Wicked: I know the definition, but if you shoot somebody in the head with a rifle you're definitely using it to assault them.

101 I was just making the point.

102 There has never been a gun called "semiautomatic assault weapon" until liberal Democrats focus-grouped what words they could make up to sound scary. It has no meaning, except in its strange definition in the actual Assault Weapons Bill.

So what the phuque was that S-A-W I humped for two years...

[apologies to WP, the SAW was heavy, if you humped it for twelve miles+, but was really light compared to other, heavier (?) toys]

... Oh, not related at all ...

103 The left never tires of ridiculous hyberbole. Don't people realize by now that whoever becomes President (let alone VP) cannot just waltz into office and declare abortion illegal? That McCain will have to fight to merely get a centrist Justice onto Scotus, given the Dem and RINO Senate majority that's likely to be opposing him? That the reality of Obama's position on infanticide is more repugnant to normal folks than the personal pro-life position of Palin?

104 I got stuck with a . . . macrest(never new the spelling, and I didn't have to do all the shit the grunts did, THANK GOD! I would have fucking died.)? hump cuz I was on the heavy weapons team for my unit.  MY heavy weapon?  the deuce.  Ain't a fucking thing about the deuce thats light, at least I wasn't on the MK19, those guys were FU-HUCKED!

105 But I can understand your shit with the SAW, my best friend, whenever I would ask him "hows tdings?" he would bitch about being the lowest ranked, and having to lug the fucking saw.

106

Assault weapons have gotten a lot of bad press lately, but they're manufactured for a reason: to take out today's modern super animals, such as the flying squirrel and the electric eel.

107 I love this woman.

108

 "But as Allah notes, the no-exceptions-for-rape-and-incest thing will spook some people."

www.hillaryis44.org is a site for Hillary supporters. The articles are excellent and the comments are better. If you ever wondered where the intelligent Democrats are, some of them are here.

  filbertsf commented, "If ever I need a reason to NOT vote for BO, I need look no further than the folks at mydd. Seriously, most BO supporters have graduate degrees from the University of Assholes."


  and this great comment from mostest who wrote, "I want to talk about Gov Palin’s stands on abortion. I am pro choice meaning a woman can choose to have a child or not. If she does that is great. IF she doesn’t that is between her and her GOD.

  Gov Palin’s stand that she still is against abortion in the case of incest and rape is an admirable position because it is consistent with her core belief against an abortion. I am presuming that most people are against abortion because it kills a living person, the baby. Well, in the case of incest and rape, if a baby is the product of that heinous crime, it is still baby, no? From the baby's point of view it does not know the way it is conceived it is just conceived. That is why I respect Gov Palin and all the anti abortionist who hold similar beliefs (I believe Mother Thersa was one of them).

  So is it the way in which a woman gets pregnant or is it the result of the act–a baby? You can’t have it both ways…Gov Palin is consistent no matter how gross and hideous the conception is.

  Democrats acting so disgusted with Gov Palin’s position (see the View “hens”) are being dishonest and hypocrites."

109

So, our hero champions Title IX AND rages against the "glass ceiling."

A lot of conservative brothers and sisters feel kind of slly right now.

110

SHE DIDN'T BENEFIT FROM TITLE NINE!!!

She ADDRESSED IT, somewhere, saying,

"The winters are long, and basketball was always a passion in alaska, and the girl teams were actually more popular than the boys."

Womens basketball would have been there anyways, and even if TitleIX WAS a thing that made it possible, the FUCKING SCHOOL and the FUCKING PLAYERS! didn't have a choice anyfucking way!!!

111 Relax the election won't turn on Title IX.  The left is getting very desperate right now.  By the time November rolls around they will have turned on Obama and Biden like snakes, I think.

112

SHE DIDN'T BENEFIT FROM TITLE NINE!!! She ADDRESSED IT, somewhere, saying,...

Relax the election won't turn on Title IX....

I don't give a (total) shit about this election. (.55 shit, perhaps)

I care about the all of the countless papers and thougtful, politically incorrect arguments put out there over YEARS by people who made VP nominee Palin possible. I care about the issues that will be here after Palin-McCain are gone.

I'm pumped by what's going on. But let's not all take stupid pills. We already have a standard bearer in the White House who jettisoned enough thoughtful conservative arguments in order to win two elections (education...Medicare, spending...immigration?)

Title IX? The "glass ceiling"? What else have we gotten wrong, Gov?

 

 

113

So, Obama is running ads touting, for the first time, his call for "equal pay" for women.

Gov. Palin touts Title IX and 'smashing the glass ceiling.' Naturally, comes equal pay.

What does the Gov. say about equal pay? I love her, but I'm afraind to ask.

114

Like all things begat in Washington, it's the application of Title IX and not the spirit of the law that has been highjacked.  It's gone from ensuring opportunity to a shell game of parity and quotas.  The whole legislating from the bench thing.  Too bad most voters don't care more about that.

115 "...but she believes what she's saying..."

That's the dumbest fucking thing I've read in several weeks, and it's been a busy week of reading.

116

106  Assault weapons have gotten a lot of bad press lately, but they're manufactured for a reason: to take out today's modern super animals, such as the flying squirrel and the electric eel.

They are manufactured because people want them. That is reason enough

117

So what the phuque was that S-A-W I humped for two years...

Squad Automatic Weapon

118
Pinto, it's a MCCRES (Marine Corps Combat Readiness Evaluation System.)

MCCRES humps sucked! but luckily I was a fifty gunner (in an HMG Plt. in 1/1 and 3/1).  We didn't hump fifty's back then (86-8, IIRC.

119
Javems, I'm pretty sure he knew what a SAW was, he was making reference to having to carry one.

120

119  Javems, I'm pretty sure he knew what a SAW was, he was making reference to having to carry one.

I though he was inferring that it is a Semiautomatic Assault Weapon. Perhaps I was wrong.

I toted the M-60 a bit, a couple pounds heavier.

121 I just watched the clip, I thought she did great. She seemed strong and sure in her opinions. It was so nice to see her answer truthfully without hesitation, what a breath of fresh air. I hope she stays this way and doesn't let Washington dirty her up. she's fine just the way she is.

122 Charlie Gibson: Hello, is Mr. Obama there? ... Well, I was just ... uh... wondering ... uh... can I have my balls back?

123 I like fondling monkey testicles.

124
Ace, get a fricking preview button!!

125

"Yes, the baby is innocent. But so is the woman."

Right. But the baby is not a punishment.

126 I never understood why someone would want to ban a semi-automatic assault rifle.  It's very similar to a .22 rifle (aka pop-gun) with a shorter barrel.  It would make much more sense for the gunophobic to want to ban pistols instead.

I think you're right Ace.  It's the name that scares them.

127 MSM, repeat after me:

"There is no such thing as a semiautomatic assault rifle!"
"There is no such thing as a semiautomatic assault rifle!"
"There is no such thing as a semiautomatic assault rifle!"

There are semiautomatic rifles, and there are assault rifles, but never the twain shall meet. Assault rifles are, by definition, selective fire (some combination of semi/burst/full). Even fucking Wikipedia manages to get this fundamental fact right.

128 "a lot of people who are sort of in the middle on the issue are going to balk at the idea of forcing a raped woman to carry her rapist's child to term."

It jerks my chain pretty hard, I must admit.  And I'm sure I'm annoying and offending most of y'all reading here by saying so, but it is what it is.  Whether this makes me morally bankrupt or whatever, I'll just lay it out:
For me the federalized uterus management issue is about the individual liberty of U.S. Citizens, a category which does not include "the unborn." 
And, for me, the F.U.M. issue just is vastly less critical than the vigorous defense of (a) Western Civilization in general and (b) Capitalism in particular.  Sarah comes through for me on those things, so ahmina have to let some other things slide.  Because this is politics; I might want what I want, but I'll take what I can get.  Which kind of explains why I was already set to vote for McAmnesty even before Sarah came along.

129 Booben "What I can't stand and happens with the left, is that anyone who holds a different view on abortion or anything else had to be crucified, fired, scorned, etc."

Not to self-aggrandizingly belabor the point, very much, but yeah, I'd never ever have dared to post what I just posted (or its leftist equivalent, with the issues reversed) on a leftist blog. 

130

I think she did better this interview but not outstanding except for the sexism question, which in and of itself was sexist.  She is only going to get better.  Even  more, she'll be ready by Oct. 2.  And the NYT and Andy Sullivan and crew can lick their chops all they want but she'll be ready.

I think the biggest loser in the entire interview process was ABC.  The Kate Snow hit piece before Charlie's interview was a complete joke and beyond one sided.  I don't think the Obama team could have scripted it any better.

131 SarahW,
I am not trying to start a argument. Please tell me the time it ceases to be a piece of meat, and becomes a Human Being?

After that point it is murder.

Javems,
I thought it was a Squad Automatic Weapon.

132 Vmaximus:

Thanks for not trying to start an argument. I rarely discuss this subject because of the anger and bad-faith imputed to and by person holding strong views on either side of the issue.

Without getting into my personal views in depth, I will say that dissussions tend to stop at hurled insults without ever addressing other legal and philosophical questionts that shape past and present law, and will affect any future changes to the law.

133 Hey...didn't anyone read Paglia this past week? She stated that Abortion is killing a child!! and she is as liberal as you get. She stated it really surprises her college audience when she states this because she is so liberal but she stated since she is an atheist (does not believe in GOD) that she sees abortion as a result of a rejection of what nature dictates (nature equals a pregnancy when a man and a woman get together).

It is still a life.

If the mother does not want that baby there are plenty of people who would love to adopt.

Our laws allow a woman to decide to kill her baby/abortion but that does not make it right morally. It is still killing an innocent.

Gov. Sarah Palin is being consistent in her statements. A life is a life regardless of who initiated the process.
Gov Palin also stated that she is not imposing her beliefs on anyone else.

134 If the mother does not want that baby there are plenty of people who would love to adopt.

You rely on a fallacy, there, even with complete stipulation that at any an every stage of existence, a human being is killed by any intervention that stops the process of implantion or otherwise divided a fetus from the life support and nutrition provided by a mothers' flesh.

That fallacy is the glossing over of the underpinnings of current law. You assert its all about whether a woman desires to be a natural parent.

Your fallacy is that rights to end pregnancy relate to anything but the physical dangers of pregnancy itself.

"Not wanting the child" may be a factor in how much risk is tolerated, but it is, in fact, rights relating to management of risk to ones self that gird current law.

Glossing over pregnancy as nothing is ignoring current basis of the law..

135 If Planned Parenthood were reporting the cases of rape and incest, I would be more prone to be alarmed, but this is the rule and not the exception:

ABORTION CLINIC INVESTIGATIONS SEEK EVIDENCE OF CHILD ABUSE
- KS Court Subpoenas Abortion Clinic Records in Rape Investigation
- Planned Parenthood Under Investigation by IN Attorney General

Ohio Planned Parenthood Abortion Center Sued Over Incest Case Coverup

136 SarahW,
I have found that people on the choice side are reluctant to discuss when the fetus becomes a child afforded the right to live. I honestly do not know why.
You appear to fall on the side of when it is capable of being self sufficient.
(From what you have said here, I am not trying to put words in your mouth, I freely admit I may be wrong about this assumption)
However if sufficiency is the criteria, then the argument could be made that post birth abortion is acceptable.
While that is logically consistent, it is also illegal.
Do you care to say what your thoughts are on when it becomes a child?

137 With out correcting you on my position, which varies from your guess, I am confused by your terminology of "post-birth abortion".

I'm assuming you are hanging your hat on the point that an infant born alive requires care to stay alive, so that killing an infant born alive anywhere up to say, college, might be ok if one uses "self sufficiency" as a measure, and that you are equating self-sufficiency with viability, when they are two very distinct things.

I think you must be aware of the distinction between an infant that needs care by other individuals in order to survive, and an infant that needs a specific, unsubtitutable person's body ( heart, liver, lungs, kidneys, ie. flesh) to survive.

138 SarahW
Good point, I will go with viable then. You did get my absurdity (20 huh? yes I have been tempted, just kidding!)
When is "it" viable?
Is that something that can be defined? If so, would you then say that once a baby is viable that is it wrong to abort it?
Do you agree with partial birth abortion? I admit being mostly ignorant on the procedure, so if I am wrong I will stand corrected. If a child is partially born, wouldn't it be viable?

Thank you for continuing the conversation.

139 The organization, CCAGW (council for citizens against Government waste) has issued a statement on it's website regarding the Bridge to Now Where providing the facts and defending the position Gov Palin has taken.
link:
http://councilfor.cagw.org/site/News2?abbr=CCAGW_&page=NewsArticle&id=11594

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