Sullivan Taken to the Woodshed (?!!) <br>Update: Commenter Claiming to from the Atlantic Dishes

Sullivan Taken to the Woodshed (?!!)
Update: Commenter Claiming to from the Atlantic Dishes

Not fired, it seems. But the evidence suggests, rather strongly, Someone had a little chat with him.

Two nights at 11:59 PM or so he went radio-silent. Bizarrely, one of his last posts was a post proclaiming how overjoyed he was that Sarah Palin had chosen to "bring up" Trig. Suddenly he was president of the Trig Fan Club, all warm and fuzzy about the little boy he had previously been suggesting was the MacGuffin in a baroque Northern Gothic tale of faked pregnancies and Loves that Dare Not Speak Their Name.

He only posted one post -- a picture of flowers -- all day yesterday.

Today he is posting another picture (another "view from your window") and a cutesy video.

He also said everything's fine, he just took the day off yesterday to enjoy one of the last days of summer.

And that's it.

Except for this cryptic -- but not really cryptic -- post.

Quote For The Day

09 Sep 2008 05:58 pm

""Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen" - Ludwig Wittgenstein.

Steve translates for me:

""What we cannot speak of we must pass over in silence."

What we cannot speak of we must pass over in silence. Let me translate from English to Moronese: I have been told in no uncertain terms to chill out from my savaging of the Palin family, and posting every single unvetted leftwing conspiracy that I get fed, or possibly lose this gig altogether.

So, is it true Sullivan just took the day off yesterday to enjoy one of the last days of summer, as a post today claimed?

Um-- it appears that's unlikely.

Bear in mind, I obviously have no inside information, but come on, this seems awfully clear to me. That "Quote of the Day" seems like a Sullivanesque passive-aggressive poor-me.

Hmmm... that video is a bit cryptic too:

1, it's about a son apologizing and promising from now on "to be good neighbors."

2, it's from Desperate Housewives, which featured, coincidentally I'm sure, a plotline involving a mother faking a pregnancy to spare her pregnant daughter the shame of being an unwed young mother. In fact, the plotine involved "Bree" and her daughter -- and that is the red-headed woman most prominent in that video.

A plotline, I should say, I only know about because it was widely cited when the Sarah Palin fake-pregnancy-changeling-baby theory was pushed into the MSM by Andrew Sullivan.

The two are not just accidentally linked. Google Sarah Palin Desperate Housewives and you get an awful lot of hits linking the two "plotlines."

This seems like more passive-aggression to me.

When Sullivan and his publisher had their little talk, did the publisher imagine that Sullivan would begin baiting him with these cutesy references?

Correction: I said he'd said he was taking off one of the last "Summer Sundays." The error is mine, not his. I forgot what day it was.

Mystery Tipster: A tipster, or just a guesser like me?

I don't know. I have no idea.

I'm just "airing questions" here, guys.

Anon
Sullivan is not taking a few days off. He was asked to lay off the Palin stuff and he has responded by refusing to post to his site. Staff are meeting now to decided what to do.
I work at The Atlantic.

Once again, the big caveat: Anyone on the internet could be a dog. We have no evidence whatsoever this person knows what he claims to know or works where he claims to work.

Actually, I really probably shouldn't even bother noting it.

But by giving this caveat, I'm displaying buckloads more skepticism and fairness than Sullivan usually does.

Quote... UNQUOTE: I was wrong, the commenter didn't put quotes around The Atlantic at all. My tipster put quotes around the entire quote, and I just saw the last quote after the Atlantic and imagined the other one.

Posted by: Ace at 06:29 PM

Comments

1 Isn't "castrated" a better metaphor?

Posted by: someone at September 09, 2008 06:31 PM (2z2WN)

Oddly, I ran that through my translator, and it came up thusly:

"That which I cannot speak of openly because my mouth is filled with my own cock, coincidently whilst my beagle also licks my balls, I must therefore shut the fuck up about."

Though, your translation might be correct, too.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 09, 2008 06:33 PM (UioS4)

3 Whoah, FoxNews is reporting that Rev. Wright had an affair with a married woman whose husband then left her when he found out.

Posted by: mesablue at September 09, 2008 06:34 PM (5yNaE)

4 Here it is -- New York Post.

Posted by: mesablue at September 09, 2008 06:37 PM (5yNaE)

5 I'm glad.

I did my tiny part and left a calm reasonable voicemail with Sullivan's superior, expressing the reason for my disappointment, how I felt these attacks were unwarranted, against an innocent minor child, and likely to harm the Atlantic's reputation, and wished the fellow a nice day.

I'm only one of many who expressed their opinions strongly or mildly, but I'm glad we carried the day.

It was disgusting of Andrew Sullivan to go after Trig and Bristol Palin.

Posted by: Christoph at September 09, 2008 06:38 PM (hawOV)

Mesa:

Rev. Wright met his current wife when he was providing marriage "counseling" to her and her estranged husband, back in the 80's. I wonder if that was his MO this time as well?

Unlike Oprah, it's "hos before bros" for the rev.

Posted by: buzz at September 09, 2008 06:38 PM (kwhut)

7 The Wittgenstein quote is a typically Sullivanesque sneer. He's saying, "I've read the Tractatus Logicophilosophicus, and you peasants haven't, so yah boo." It's as classy as name-dropping at a tony Manhattan loft party, which is to say, not very.

Posted by: David Gillies at September 09, 2008 06:39 PM (2FZO3)

8 Hoo boy --

After discovering he had been cuckolded, Fred Payne, who had married Elizabeth in October 2006, headed straight for divorce court.

"I was downright mad about this bull- - - -," said Fred, who said he is "in the oil and gas business," belongs to a hunting club and makes his own bullets in his garage.

"People wouldn't be happy to know that my wife was sleeping with a black man."

Posted by: mesablue at September 09, 2008 06:39 PM (5yNaE)

Whoah, FoxNews is reporting that Rev. Wright had an affair with a married woman whose husband then left her when he found out.

That's just average preacher stuff. Besides, what's the point to being a pastor if you can't hit a sister in the congregation every once in awhile.

And I mean that to be taken in the best way possible for all you preachers out there.

Posted by: SlaveDog at September 09, 2008 06:40 PM (6Gy0q)

10 I guess technically he didn't go after Trig although he used Trig... but he sure as hell went after Bristol Palin, accusing her of lying and hiding a pregnancy as Trig's mother, when in fact she didn't hide her real pregnancy, and did the right thing by telling choosing her baby's life, telling her parents, and even choosing to marry the father.

I admire Bristol Palin to the degree I know about her. I was sickened and angered by Andrew Sullivan.

Posted by: Christoph at September 09, 2008 06:40 PM (hawOV)

11 Oh, fucking spare me, Andy. This is not the Soviet fucking Union. You can spout all the lies you want. It's a free country. But somewhat reputable publications don't have to fucking PAY YOU FOR IT! Go get a job on the Obama campaign if you want to get paid to shit on Palin's family.

Posted by: EnochF at September 09, 2008 06:40 PM (VXm6y)

12 Sorry, OT but this latest Obama invective is incredible. Please let the PUMAs sink their fangs into this:

Amie Parnes reports from Lebanon, VA:

Obama poked fun of McCain and Palin’s new “change” mantra.

“You can put lipstick on a pig,” he said as the crowd cheered. “It’s still a pig.”

“You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It’s still gonna stink.”

“We’ve had enough of the same old thing.”

The crowd apparently took the “lipstick” line as a reference to Palin, who described the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull in a single word: “lipstick.”

Posted by: George Orwell at September 09, 2008 06:45 PM (AZGON)

13 This seems like more passive-aggression to me.

Maybe someone forced him to go back on the Thorazine?

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 09, 2008 06:46 PM (6L459)

14 Holy crap, if you're right about the video, this needs to be spread even more.

Posted by: someone at September 09, 2008 06:47 PM (2z2WN)

So, is it true Sullivan just took the day off yesterday to enjoy one of the last Summer Sundays, as a post today claimed?

Um-- it appears that's unlikely.

Mostly because yesterday was Monday.

Posted by: marchand chronicles at September 09, 2008 06:48 PM (oPFyu)

16 (grumble) Ah, well. The Sullivan situation has at least given me the satisfaction that at least one smear artist will eventually be fired after all this is through. Well, that and it boosted Ace's profanity count. *sigh* Fuck and so forth.

Posted by: EnochF at September 09, 2008 06:48 PM (VXm6y)

17 This seems like more passive-aggression to me.

I'll say, and I guess Andrew is supposed to be the little boy forced to apologize and be nice.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at September 09, 2008 06:48 PM (VKmxM)

18 Geeesh, Sullivan is such a women. And a catty one at that.

Posted by: mare at September 09, 2008 06:49 PM (xMkst)

19 Old Fish? Obama sinking lower than his chances of election.

Posted by: SarahW at September 09, 2008 06:49 PM (7sl9X)

20 He can't help himself. He'll be back at it, and hopefully fired, with in a few days.

Posted by: Amused Observer at September 09, 2008 06:49 PM (Y2UKK)

21 Sullivan is such a whiner. Why don't they fire him already?

Posted by: SarahW at September 09, 2008 06:49 PM (7sl9X)

22 I like to imagine that Todd Palin paid him a visit.
But that probably isn't it ...

Posted by: MythHappens at September 09, 2008 06:50 PM (vLdNA)

23 The crowd apparently took the “lipstick” line as a reference to Palin

Obama must be trying to get the feminist vote.

Posted by: Christoph at September 09, 2008 06:52 PM (hawOV)

For a while now the defining characteristic of the left in the US has been its lack of shame. It is nice, though probably illusory, to think that things are starting to change given the recent happenings at NBC and the Atlantic. Maybe they took a lesson from the repeated TNR debacles?

Posted by: asl at September 09, 2008 06:52 PM (r11nM)

25 But suppose he *wanted* to be taken to the woodshed... what then?

Posted by: NHGuy at September 09, 2008 06:55 PM (ZGLJl)

26 "Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen"

equals

"Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"

Posted by: German to PWRGLTS Translator at September 09, 2008 06:55 PM (SPSOE)

ace,

The Top Five Signs that Sullivan Is Not Free to Speak His Mind

5. Sullivan announces that his previously anonymous "readers" are actually the starting offensive lineup of the New England Patrots

4. The View Outside Sullivan's Window is eeriely reminiscent of that outside Colonel Kurtz's hut with the enigmatic caption "The horror ... the horror"

3. A long post about how beagles sometimes fake pregnancy in order to engender sympathy from dumbass basset hounds

2. He appears on BloggingHeads and blinks "Torture .. Torture ... Will Pay Double ... TEXT ME RAWMUSLGLUTE" when he's not speaking. Attributes blinking irregularity to "dry air".

1. Matthew Yglesias and Ezra Klein Express Solidarity with Sullivan by Speaking Sullivan's Mind for Him.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 09, 2008 06:56 PM (NnAGL)

28 NHGuy...

We have a winnah!!!

Posted by: George Orwell at September 09, 2008 06:57 PM (AZGON)

29 Check out Drudge.

The honeymoon between him and Obama is over.

Posted by: grc at September 09, 2008 06:58 PM (PL/WT)

Acht du lieber. The pink submarine, U69, is finally being recalled homo home, boys men! It was an honour going down with you, each and every one of you.

Posted by: der Kapitan, U69 at September 09, 2008 06:58 PM (qKkaY)

""Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen" - Ludwig Wittgenstein"

"Andrew, uou're fired"

thus spake me.

Posted by: Zarathustra at September 09, 2008 06:59 PM (NnAGL)

Also, Ace, please tell me it was your seldom-mentioned girlfriend who put you some knowledge on the plotlines of "Desperate Housewives," or I'll be forced to see you as less of a man.

Not sure how exactly I'll be able to do that. But don't force me.

Posted by: marchand chronicles at September 09, 2008 07:00 PM (oPFyu)

33 Never mind, missed the edit.

Posted by: marchand chronicles at September 09, 2008 07:01 PM (oPFyu)

34 David Gillies --

You missed something. Real name-droppers call it "The Tractatus," like it's their Greek superhero buddy. And they all sound like William Buckley saying it, even if they're from Wisconsin.

It's hilarious.

Posted by: Snobservant at September 09, 2008 07:03 PM (eYJeU)

Clearly Andrew needed a timeout as the whole Palin thing had him spinning close to the edge. A few days off and some low key blogging for a week or two will save his gig at the Atlantic. But his inner crank-dom and obsessiveness will inevitably come out and doom him.

I predict he'll be gone by election day.

Posted by: Maetenloch at September 09, 2008 07:14 PM (hn7Rm)

Fuck you, Andrew.

Because it can never be said too many times, and it's always a good time to say it.

Posted by: Kensington at September 09, 2008 07:15 PM (kFwRi)

37 Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

Posted by: Entropy at September 09, 2008 07:16 PM (HgAV0)

38 Welcome to capitalism, Andy Pander. As long as The Atlantic is paying you, you're going to write what THEY'RE comfortable with, not what makes you get a tingle up your leg.

If you don't like it, you're more than welcome to go solo again and see if you can convince a second round of idiots to ante up tens of thosands of dollars worth of tips for your bullshit-peddling.

But you won't do that, of course. Having sold yourself to the highest bidder over and over (how many homes has your blog had at this point?), the gig you've got now is way too cushy. Fuck "Truth;" that Benz is way too much fun to drive, and the parties you get invited to are just so FAB.

Say Andy, will you and your Atlantic buddies be holding another year-end party this year? You know, the one where you and your co-bloggers mingle on stage while you charge us little people to sit in the audience and WATCH YOU? Don't think we haven't forgotten about that, you fucking elitist douchbag.

Posted by: RajivVindaloo at September 09, 2008 07:16 PM (Rn2+D)

You know who could make this whole Andrew Sullivan thing worthwhile with a single newspaper column? James Lileks.

Posted by: EnochF at September 09, 2008 07:18 PM (VXm6y)

40 Could be that it wasn't The Atlantic that told him to chill the fuck out on Teh Crazy, but the Obama campaign.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 09, 2008 07:20 PM (rf03a)

41 "Say Andy, will you and your Atlantic buddies be holding another year-end party this year? You know, the one where you and your co-bloggers mingle on stage while you charge us little people to sit in the audience and WATCH YOU?"

Are you joking? Whoa.

"Could be that it wasn't The Atlantic that told him to chill the fuck out on Teh Crazy, but the Obama campaign."

If this were the case, would he really be sending smoke signals through the video?

Posted by: someone at September 09, 2008 07:22 PM (2z2WN)

I've got a Latin quote too:

non vocabitur ultra is qui insipiens est princeps neque fraudulentus appellabitur maior

The fool shall no more be called prince: neither shall the deceitful be called great.

Or, in a different translation: "Memo to the Atlantic: this malicious, queeny nutcase brings exactly what to your brand?"

Posted by: Erwin Hussein O'Barry at September 09, 2008 07:26 PM (eepJm)

43 @#7

Yo! David Gillies! Long time, no see... Drop us a line and let us know what the hell is going on with you these days. Hope all is well wherever you are.

Yeah, and the Goebbels of Glutes is a sorry excuse for a public intellectual.

Posted by: Chef Mojo at September 09, 2008 07:30 PM (ZJCBT)

44 To be fair, I do think yesterday was also "BB a Bottom" day. He was probably pretty busy.

Posted by: docweasel at September 09, 2008 07:30 PM (XmjZg)

45 "Are you joking? Whoa."

Nope, I'm dead serious. It actually happened, and The Atlantic was properly excoriated for it, even by other liberal elites. I'd find a link, but I'm on an iPhone right now, so cutting and pasting is a rather foreign concept.

Posted by: RajivVindaloo at September 09, 2008 07:32 PM (Rn2+D)

46 This is an comment at another blog:

"5 Anon
Sullivan is not taking a few days off. He was asked to lay off the Palin stuff and he has responded by refusing to post to his site. Staff are meeting now to decided what to do.
I work at The Atlantic."
http://notverybright.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/where-is-andrew-sullivan/#comment-19613

Bear in mind, anyone might've posted it. What do ya think?

Posted by: FranticFlintstone at September 09, 2008 07:33 PM (VGbp5)

You know who could make this whole Andrew Sullivan thing worthwhile with a single newspaper column? James Lileks.

Just for old times sake, here's Lileks on Hugh Hewitt's show making fun of Andrew Sullivan who had just given a hissy fit of an interview.

And here's a link to the original interview where Andrew demonstrates his utter humorlessness.

Posted by: Maetenloch at September 09, 2008 07:34 PM (hn7Rm)

48 So if he actually DOES pout his way out of a job, we should start a betting pool as to what publication is next to take on One of the Finest Conservative Thinkers of Our Time.

I'm guessing Mother Jones.

Posted by: RajivVindaloo at September 09, 2008 07:47 PM (Rn2+D)

I'm a sad Sexual Harassment Date Rape HIV Pander.

8=^(

Posted by: The Sexual Harassment Date Rape HIV Pander at September 09, 2008 07:50 PM (qKkaY)

I'm guessing Mother Jones.

I say Rolling Stone then Harper's or the Nation.

Posted by: Maetenloch at September 09, 2008 07:52 PM (hn7Rm)

51 With that quote of the day is he calling the Atlantic editors Nazis? Let me be the first to start the rumor that he won't be working there tomorrow.

Posted by: pitythefool at September 09, 2008 08:08 PM (6rqgG)

52 The quotation marks observation is silly, but in any event, just to set that little record straight, you're wrong. The comment from The Atlantic person was on my blog and had no quotation marks.

Posted by: notverybright at September 09, 2008 08:14 PM (s9zN3)

53 HAH! I called it.

I knew he was just fuming and nursing his fury after someone dared to call him on his transgressions.

Posted by: Sarahcuda at September 09, 2008 08:25 PM (DbybK)

Clearly Andrew needed a timeout as the whole Palin thing had him spinning close to the edge. A few days off and some low key blogging cock-gobbling for a week or two will save his gig at the Atlantic. But his inner crank-dom and obsessiveness will inevitably come out and doom him.

I predict he'll be gone by election day.

There, fixed it for you.

Posted by: thebronze at September 09, 2008 08:26 PM (YlH3h)

55 Ace, gramatically and typographically there are two correct ways of noting the name of a publication nam" and its article" (or a book and its chapters).

Carnegie Melon advises using quotes around the "publication name" (equivalent to the "name" of a book) and "article" (equivalent of a book's "chapter").

This is a common modern convention and I'd expect someone at The Atlantic to use a modern convention.

However, I'm pretty pedantic and when I remember to, I use the traditional convention: publication name in italics and "articles" in quotes.

Posted by: Christoph at September 09, 2008 08:32 PM (hawOV)

56 I put the quotation marks in to indicate I was quoting from the other blog's comment section. Sorry for the confusion!

Posted by: FranticFlintstone at September 09, 2008 08:44 PM (VGbp5)

57 I don't know about the Carnegie Melon, only the god damn Bluebook citation manual and ALWD, but I will tell you this:

Andrew lynched someone. He's an asshole and the Atlantic not already having dismissed him long ago is amazing even for a biased publication. There's bias and argument, and then there's unbridled hatred and idiotic paranoia.

I work at The Dunkin Donuts"

Posted by: Shill at September 09, 2008 08:45 PM (q+Ia9)

58 There is a post at Sullivan's site denying that he was told anything about what to write about.

The timestamp says it precedes the two posts Ace cites.

Did it?

Posted by: Patterico at September 09, 2008 08:52 PM (F2Rge)

"I intend to spend more time on my charity work, especially my "Gloots for Yoots" programs."

- A. Sullivan

Posted by: fulldroolcup at September 09, 2008 08:53 PM (fH1BE)

60 I'm just curious to know if Sullivan backdated that post, to make the other weird ones seem less weird.

Posted by: Patterico at September 09, 2008 09:00 PM (F2Rge)

61 Poor Andy. The boss yelled at him. He's throwing a hissy fit. "I'll teach them. I just won't post on my blog". Oh wow! Hurt me, beat me whip me! I'm sooooo impressed at that snappy comeback at the boss. That will teach him.

Hey Andy! Take the next 100 years off for all most of us freakin' care. Who knows, maybe you can get us to PAY you so that you won't blog.

Posted by: GarandFan at September 09, 2008 09:00 PM (HLrE4)

62 What happens in the woodshed stays in the woodshed.

Posted by: The Woodshed at September 09, 2008 09:03 PM (6L459)

63 A plotline, I should say, I only know about because it was widely cited when the Sarah Palin fake-pregnancy-changeling-baby theory was pushed into the MSM by Andrew Sullivan.

Uh huh.

And the fact that it's programmed into your Tivo, that's just in case your sister visits.

Posted by: sandy burger at September 09, 2008 09:11 PM (VC56G)

64 >>>The quotation marks observation is silly, but in any event, just to set that little record straight, you're wrong. The comment from The Atlantic person was on my blog and had no quotation marks.

Yes, I just noticed that three seconds ago my damn self. Sorry about that.

To be honest, I was really just looking at reasons to say "I don't think this is real" because, well, doesn't seem fair to print that without verifying... I guess I was trying to find a way in between not printing and printing, printing but casting doubt.

Posted by: ace at September 09, 2008 09:22 PM (1WR4H)

65 "I'm just curious to know if Sullivan backdated that post, to make the other weird ones seem less weird."

I would go so far as to say we didn't know that, Patterico.

By the way, did you get my email about using the more efficient, better maintained WP Super Cache plugin to avoid your site's meltdowns? It's much more advanced than what you're using (WP Cache), plays better with plug-ins, and stores gzip compressed pages as cache, reducing the need to do gzip compression on the fly (you still do it on the fly for certain commenters who are actively commenting, but the majority just reading don't need this).

This lowers your server CPU and memory loads a lot.

Posted by: Christoph at September 09, 2008 09:24 PM (hawOV)

66 I notice that Andrew's latest post, the one with the Desperate Housewives video, is entitled "Mental Health Break." I think this is Andrew letting us know that his mental health has broken.

Oh! And was anyone else aware that his authoritative book "The Conservative Soul," after failing to sell as a hardcover, is also now available in a paperback edition that we can also decline to purchase?

I feel so sorry for his Beagles.

Posted by: Kensington at September 09, 2008 09:25 PM (xFNQx)

67 To be honest, I was really just looking at reasons to say "I don't think this is real"

Anyway, Ace, it wouldn't indicate that because putting the name of a publication in quotes is a standard taught in many locations, including Carnegie Melon. (The older, traditional standard is to underline it if handwriting/typing, or use italics if word processed -- in both cases, simplified style and traditional style, individual articles would be placed in quotes).

Posted by: Christoph at September 09, 2008 09:28 PM (hawOV)

68 Carnegie Melon's style guide:

Magazines/Newspapers
Capitalize the name but do not place it in quotations or italics.

Which goes to show you I was wrong. So forget what I said about it.

Posted by: Christoph at September 09, 2008 09:37 PM (hawOV)

69 Help us! For God's sake, someone get over here and rescue us! Our butts can't take any more!

Oh crap, here he comes again. Run!

Posted by: andi's beagles at September 09, 2008 09:43 PM (/GQkp)

70 Sullivan is not taking a few days off. He is out sick due to a post-op infection that set in after the gerbil removal procedure.

I work at The Atlantic.

Posted by: Anon also at September 09, 2008 10:05 PM (7wlKZ)

71 And I'm here to tell you that it hurt like hell having that jackass stuffed up my bum for 3 days. It took 5 hours to extract him.

Posted by: The Gerbil at September 09, 2008 10:21 PM (6L459)

72 Quote For The Day

09 Sep 2008 05:58 pm

""Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen" - Ludwig Wittgenstein.

Andi need a new and more appropriate Nazi quote like:

Stoßen Sie bitte Ihren Schwanz in meine Hintern; Ich wünsche Ihre milchigen Lasten!

--Things Herr Sullivan Said, part 5.

Posted by: cheshirecat at September 09, 2008 10:34 PM (65Qgo)

73 Oddly, I ran that through my translator, and it came up thusly:

"That which I cannot speak of openly because my mouth is filled with my own cock, coincidently whilst my beagle also licks my balls, I must therefore shut the fuck up about."

Though, your translation might be correct, too.

It's more punchier in the original Rudolf Hess version:

"Dass den ich offen davon nicht sprechen kann, weil mein Mund mit meinem eigenen Schwanz gefüllt ist, gleichzeitig während mein Spürhund auch meine Hoden leckt, muss ich daher die Mund halten."

Posted by: cheshirecat at September 09, 2008 10:43 PM (65Qgo)

74 "I've read the Tractatus Logicophilosophicus, and you peasants haven't, so yah boo."

Yeah, yeah, Sully, and I've read Nietzsche's "Mensch und Ubermensch" bit in "Also Sprach Zarathustra", so stick that up your "Hinten", Andi.

Posted by: cheshirecat at September 09, 2008 10:48 PM (65Qgo)

75 I notice that Andrew's latest post, the one with the Desperate Housewives video, is entitled "Mental Health Break." I think this is Andrew letting us know that his mental health has broken.

Like we needed some sort of clue up to now...

Posted by: cheshirecat at September 09, 2008 10:54 PM (65Qgo)

76 He says he's spending quality time "with my husband." I think this is a reference to the Hershey Highway.

Posted by: Banjo at September 09, 2008 10:57 PM (1DQ52)

77 Sullivan is not taking a few days off. He's the subject of a photo shoot. I work at Bound & Gagged.

Posted by: strappy at September 09, 2008 11:21 PM (HcgFD)

So, the latest "view from his window" is Beirut, Lebanon at sunset.

Nothing to see, move along.

Posted by: Karl at September 09, 2008 11:25 PM (acC/M)

79 I think this is a reference to the Hershey Highway.
Isn't that in New Pennsylvania?

Posted by: andycanuck at September 09, 2008 11:49 PM (qKkaY)

And, Cristoph, the underlining of book or magazine etc. names in written or typewritten text was an instruction to the typesetter to set the text in italics in the olden days before desktop publishing.

Posted by: andycanuck at September 09, 2008 11:52 PM (qKkaY)

or...

Fick mich, du miserabler hurensohn
Fick mich, du miserabler hurensohn
Streck ihn aus -- Streck aus deinen heifien gelockten.
Streck ihn aus -- Streck aus deinen heinen gelockten
Streck ihn aus -- Streck aus deinen heiften gelockten schwanz
Ah-ee-ahee-ahhhhh!
Mach es sehr schnell, rein und raus, Magisches Schwein
Mach es sehr schnell, rein und raus, Magisches Schwein
Bis es spritzt, spritzt, spritzt Feuer!
Bis es spritzt, spritzt, spritzt Feuer!
Aber beklecker nicht das Sofa, Sofa! (4x)

excerpt from "Stick It Out" - Frank Zappa

Posted by: John Bradley at September 10, 2008 12:00 AM (Y3Sui)

And all this time, I thought the Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus, as used by Andy, was simply another on-line translator, much like the Tractatus Logico-Piraticus; when one enter'd a thought in, say, "Backwoods Vermont Hillbilly" the result came out reading like a finished script for "Fraser".

I guess this means Andy can’t plead "Genetic Stoopid" as a defense to his boss.

Posted by: Arbalest at September 10, 2008 12:11 AM (1j+ex)

83 Insider tip or not, that's almost certainly what has happened and Sullivan has em by the short and curlies. Their hits will almost certainly plunge if he's canned but he'll just get a cushy gig somewhere else - for some reason the loony is considered bankable.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 10, 2008 12:17 AM (0+Ggj)

Andrew Sullivan: Literally, a pain in the ass.

Posted by: km at September 10, 2008 12:21 AM (HfOm0)

85 Thread winner

Posted by: Patton at September 10, 2008 12:25 AM (1cjaj)

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The Tractatus deals with the logical relation of language to thought. The quoted line is literally the last sentence in the book, and sums up (young) Wittgenstein's belief that thought and language are inseparable. It has absolutely nothing to do with censorship. (Or sponsorship, in Sullivan's case).

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The only thing that I found notable about Sullivan's quoting that line of the Tractatus was that it is, as you mentioned, the last line of the Tractatus.

A veiled threat to stop writing, perhaps?

After the Tractatus, Wittgenstein actually retired from philosophy/writing for a number of years. (One corollary of Wittgenstein's Tractatus was that philosophy was "nonsense." So, following his own dictates, Wittgenstein went "off the grid.")

Then, years later, Wittgenstein returned. He'd turned his back on the Tractatus and proffered new doctrines--as recorded in (inter alia) the Blue and Brown Books and the Philosophical Investigations.

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i normally respect sullivan's writing but he was way off base on that one, going so far as to suggest that bristol holding trig at some palin event was evidence that it was her baby and not palin's. utterly ridiculous.

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