1 NYT story on Uberdoosh and Tweety getting the boot!!

2 Later this week after being assailed nonstop by pro-choice advocates, he'll clarify his comment by stating that in his belief system life begins at conception, but conception begins when the water breaks.

3 i heard that clip earlier on the radio, and i have to admit it was the most sensible thing i've ever heard him say.  the quote actually continues with something to the effect of, "regardless, i don't feel we have the right to determine what everyone else believes on this matter." (paraphrased)

4 "Life begins at conception."

"I'm not going to take away your guns."

"The surge was a success."

Wow, this doesn't sound like the Barack Obama and Joe Biden that the moonbats fell in love.

5 It is becoming clear that Obama has realized (or his campaign manager) that they can't beat McCain in their present posture. The decision has been made to go to the center and love everyone. If they can play nice, then they can take away McCain/Palin's "only" advantage. Biden on conception, dKos off Palin...this will be the mantra until debates...Obama needs to regain his 'above the fray' appearance.

6 Meltdown... the nutroots is going to eat Biden alive.  This should be a McCain ad by the end of the week...if not before

7 Why would anyone vote for Obama?

Iraq - flipped
FISA - flipped
Surge - flipped
Bush tax cuts - flipped
Abortion - well, conceded the major point to the pro-life crowd

8 I accept it based on biological facts.

9 I forgot.

Rove, you magnificent bastard!

10

Sounds to me like Biden is trying to get kicked off the ticket.  Next, he's gonna come  out and say global warming is a bunch of baloney.  If that doesn't work,  he'll start driving around with McCain / Palin bumper stickers all over his limo.

Barry may still have to keep him though ... who else would possibly take the slot now?

11 Will Biden get the Eagleton treatment?

My what a difference 3 days makes.

12

  From the House of Jiggy

  Sarah Palin is Sarah Connor

  How do we know?

  The Machine is afraid of her.

  First, they went after her, then they went after her kids.

  Hat Tip to The Anchoress.

13 Reason to have Biden step down and replace him with Hillary? Doubt she would even accept now. No doubt she is cackling while watching Barry's slide.

14 Seriously if  Obama/Biden has decided to flip their positions on everything to mirror McCain, why vote for Obama/ Biden?  

15

Life begins at conception but abortion is still OKAY?

So, you acknowledge that it's a baby in that there womb for the entire 9-month period, but the baby can still be killed if you wanna.

Interesting to see that Biden believes the value of human life depends solely on geography.

PLEASE do us a favor, Lefties on the Pres Ticket, and STOP balancing your 'nads on the fencepost.  If you ever took a stand on anything, I'd bet all those "Ums" would finally disappear from Obama's rhetoric...but then, you'd also lose the election really badly.

16 Here's another picture of the hunteress

17 Biden: "they have differing views as to when life — I’m prepared as a matter of faith to accept that life begins" when I win.

18 Joe Biden is inside Obama's OODA loop, fucking it up.
Even Obama is inside Obama's OODA loop, fucking it up.

19 There is no scale which can measure the stupidity of this remark by Biden.  None.

20 Oh and lets not forget the Adam Gadahn story earlier!

More beer for my horses!

K

21 Didn't Waffles say something like this in 2004?  It was his personal belief that life begins at conception but just because he believed it didn't mean he could force it on other people?

22 MotherFUCKER!!!!

Looks like I picked a bad week to quit snorting coke.

23 Obama just had a commercial on here in Tampa where he accused McCain of:

supporting the iraq war - a war in which Barry now supports
supporting the surge - a surge that barry now supports
Supporting bush's tax cuts - tax cuts that barry says he won't resciend.

WTF? Implosion.

24 # 15...My thoughts exactly. Biden believes that life begins at conception. Abortion then kills that life. Isn't that then murder?

25 Barbelle said "Life begins at conception but abortion is still OKAY?"
You might as well add "and killing child raping murderers is NOT OKAY because lethal injection is not humane enough.

26 Obama is rattled. He is running on the Republican platform now.

Keep hammering him McCain, you magnificent bastard!

(I still can't believe the type words coming out of my keyboard!)

27 When does infanticide begin, Joe?

28 What are the odds that Biden is actually a mole for Hillary? I'm not remembering offhand what kind of relationship Biden had with the Clinton White House.

Maybe he's just a mole for the old-school East Coast Dem establishment, to stick a knife in the Chicago/hippie axis.

Or maybe he's just stupid. In any case, I think O! got played.

29

I turned out Sunday Night Football just in case the Uberdoosh decided to do an on-air suicide, but haven't heard his yap for a while.

Anyone know what's up?

30 Back to the kiddie table! Bwahahahahaha, ha!

So no one will clean up Matthews piss puddles any more?
Surprise, surprise, surprise!
Gomer Olbermann's sent on backyard poop duty.

It's two birds with one stone.

This day will the Lord deliver you into my hand. And I will strike you down, and cut off your head; and I will give the dead bodies of the host of the MSM Philistines this day to the birds of the air and to the wild beasts of the earth.

Pebble Palin!

31 oops shoulda been "turned on"

32 He plagiarized his speech from the Catechism.

33 I also accept it based on biological facts.

Dear God, pray that Biden holds to his faith on this one. He's right. Let him live accordingly and bless him in the effort.

Sincerely,

Christoph

34 Wonder if this means he's actually going to bring up abortion in the VP debate. That ought to be good for the highlight reel.

35

Barbelle : "Life begins at conception but abortion is still OKAY? So, you acknowledge that it's a baby in that there womb for the entire 9-month period, but the baby can still be killed if you wanna. Interesting to see that Biden believes the value of human life depends solely on geography."

Yeah, you pretty much nailed his stance, although I wouldn't have used quite as much sarcasm. If you believe in the death penalty then you, too, "believe the value of human life depends solely on geography" (as a legal matter).

36 Panic.

37 David Ross, @#35: If you believe in the death penalty then you, too, "believe the value of human life depends solely on geography" (as a legal matter).

Uh, no.

38 And I actually thought that Republicans were going to lose this election.

39 As for Biden, I'd like him to say something along the lines of "Roe is crap law and I want my fellow nominee to pledge that he'll flush this turd down to the state level where it belongs, alongside the death penalty and other state codes. And too often abortion is nothing but legalising infanticide for women who don't want to shop at CostCo. If I were running for governor of Delaware I would personally ban abortion. But, I'm not; for the position I'm running for, I might become president over Delaware and Massachusetts, too. I intend to respect the federal state of this union."

40 marchand, I'm amazed that with that level of forensic skill, you never made captain of your elementary school debate team.

41

Yeah, you pretty much nailed his stance, although I wouldn't have used quite as much sarcasm.

Then write your dang post about it, Ferret Face.  Who cares about how much sarcasm you would have used?

If you believe in the death penalty then you, too, "believe the value of human life depends solely on geography" (as a legal matter).

Boloney.  The geography of a murderer is not the sole distinction between his life and someone else's, neither legally, morally, nor logically.

42 Life begins at conception in Scranton.

fixed


Hellooooooooooo, Scranton!

43 How are the clinton WOMYN going to square that circle?

44 Extend and escape , Joe.  Don't get in a turning fight with Obama

45 There are moments when I think Biden has lost his mind.

There are other moments when I think Biden knows something really ugly and fatally damaging about the One, that he knows will come out soon, and is craftily seeking to distance himself from the impending explosion.

Then I start thinking that ol' Joe is just cray-zeee again.

46 half the blog just went pink

47 David Ross, @#40: marchand, I'm amazed that with that level of forensic skill, you never made captain of your elementary school debate team.

I was All-State.

As Barbelle has already insinuated, geography is meaningless in the capital punishment argument, unless you mean that the crime you commit in Hammond, Indiana can land you in the electric chair, but the same crime committed two miles west in Calumet City, Illinois, would only get you life in prison.

But since I'm in favor of the death penalty, I'm not beholden to such geographical inconsistencies.

48 What I find hilarious is the fact that no one on the pro-choice side ever seems to realize is that according to the Roe v. Wade decision, the whole "viability" determination (by the decision) will eventually and inexorably match with pro-life opinions because of technology. Once we have working artificial wombs, Roe v. Wade goes away since all implanted blastocytes would be "viable" and therefore human.

49 Plug trying to outdo Jug.

50

Rove, you magnificent bastard!

It's now "Schmidt, you magnificent bastard!"

Even Obama is inside Obama's OODA loop, fucking it up.

Heh.

51 Clinton/Biden '12!

I like the sound of that.

52 Not going to cut it, Senator Biden.

You know what I think is immoral, Senator? Homosexual sex. My Catholic faith teaches me that. But I don't think we should have laws against violating the willing cornhole of another man because no one else is having his rights to life, liberty, or property violated in the process.

I'm glad we agree that abortion is the taking of a human life. But unlike you, I can't stand by while a human person has his or her right to life violated.

53 Wonder if this means he's actually going to bring up abortion in the VP debate. That ought to be good for the highlight reel.

Too bad they no longer have actual debates and simply answer questions from the moderator.  Hmmmm, wonder if they'll bring this up?

54 "Kill, Baby, Kill" - Joe Biden, firing up the crowd for Obama

55 If you believe in the death penalty then you, too, "believe the value of human life depends solely on geography" (as a legal matter).

Right! If I believe that there is a difference between aborting a fetus and putting to death a double-murderer rapist tax evader, then I am a geographic bigot: I am applying a different standard to people living in prison and people living in Uterusbekistan.

56 Let's see... the left is calling our candidate "McSame" because they believe he's indistinguishable from Bush. Or at least they think there's a winning argument there.

But after all these right turns from Obama, can we start calling him O-dentical?

57 The one thing that NONE of the lefty media has mentioned is WHERE IS HILLARY AT? Especially after Sarah did mentione that she cracked the glass ceiling, NOBODY has gotten a comment from Hillary regarding the remark? Did I miss it, or is Hillary more secluded than al qaeda in Pakistan?

58

As Barbelle has already insinuated, geography is meaningless in the capital punishment argument, unless you mean that the crime you commit in Hammond, Indiana can land you in the electric chair, but the same crime committed two miles west in Calumet City, Illinois, would only get you life in prison.

That's not an indication of a difference placed on the value of human life, anyway, Marchand.  That's just the difference in punishment between the states.

Any anti-death penalty type who believes he values human life more than a pro-death penalty type is a fruitcake.

59 I like cake.

60 Man, Pelosi must be having fits-- first her bishop goes full Roman on her (pun intended) and now Biden is quoting church teaching.

61

marchand and Barbelle, if you believe in the absolute sanctity of human life, then you ought to be against the death penalty. If you believe that some kinds of criminal deserve death, then you ought to be for mandatory death penalty statutes in every state. Currently we go by a federalist position which leaves that decision up to geography.

Barbelle's post derided federalist approaches to legal codes as "the value of human life depends solely on geography". I'm saying, why stop there? The ways human life can be "valued" are effectively infinite (not to mention subjective). According to Barbelle, that means the scope of the central State is effectively infinite (and subject to her whim). The last thing we want in principle is more power to Washington, even if the particular piece of legislation happens to sit well with conservatives.

62 Hey Joe, some 'believe' life begins at forty. Hows about hacking up all them little whippersnappers?

63 At the rate Joe "I'm Ready for My Closeup, Mr. Olbermann" Biden is shooting off his mouth, he'll end up like Luca Brazzi in "The Godfather."  Only difference will be that it'll be Biden's hair plugs wrapped around three fishes instead of an armored vest.

I've got a sawbuck that says if Biden gets his arugula handed to him by Palin in the VP debate--and I'm guessing Vegas oddsmakers already think it's even money she will--His Obamanic Majesty's Request will "regretfully" drop "Mr. Capped & Bonded's" a** faster than third period French and beg, beg, BEG Hillary to join the ticket.

And y'know what? Hillary will tell him, "You had your chance, Mr. Hope and Change, and you blew it.  Now suffer, b**ch, and get the f*** out of my way."

64 In the case of the death penalty, we have all three branches of government as well as a group of peers signing off on it. The Legislative branch only writes the actual law. But. The police had to police, the judge had to decide it was applicable, the jury had to agree, and the executive branch gets one or two more whacks via pardons and commutations.

If you want to be perfectly even, I'm perfectly happy to have abortions every single time the baby is convicted. You might need to speed the judiciary up a teeny bit.

65

Barbelle throws out more insults: "Any anti-death penalty type who believes he values human life more than a pro-death penalty type is a fruitcake."

There are valid arguments for keeping criminals behind bars instead of killing them. For one thing, criminal prosecutions are not perfect and some of the convicts might not be the actual culprits. Others are mentally ill and could be redeemed through treatment.

Come down to Texas and chat with some of the more gung-ho pro-death-penalty guys around here. What drives a lot of them has more to do with controlling and culling the local black population than with actual justice. I suspect that anti-death-penalty types here do, in fact, value human life more than the majority here.

66 Ferret Face, @#61: marchand and Barbelle, if you believe in the absolute sanctity of human life, then you ought to be against the death penalty. If you believe that some kinds of criminal deserve death, then you ought to be for mandatory death penalty statutes in every state. Currently we go by a federalist position which leaves that decision up to geography.

I'm for the second one.  I wish Illinois wouldn't be such a bunch of weenies and re-adopt capital punishment.  My support of the death penalty has little or nothing to do with my stance on abortion, seeing as how unborn children have little in common with convicted murderers.

67 if you believe in the absolute sanctity of human life, then you ought to be against the death penalty
 
So what would you say is the proper maximum punishment for someone who  murders children?

68 Breaker, I'm pro-life for babies and pro-death for violent thugs. But I'm for federalism more than either of these. And I'm anti-insults when the person slinging them around hasn't proven his or her point.

69 God works in mysterious ways.


And some point he will stop this:

Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.

70

marchand and Barbelle, if you believe in the absolute sanctity of human life, then you ought to be against the death penalty.

You're an idiot.

Barbelle throws out more insults: "Any anti-death penalty type who believes he values human life more than a pro-death penalty type is a fruitcake."

And I'll continue to do so.  I'm not here to convince you or listen to you; the first is pointless because you're an idiot, and the second is pointless because you're an idiot.

If you can't GET the Grand Canyon-sized difference between an innocent person being killed out of convenience and a guilty person being killed out of punishment, then guess what?  You're an idiot.

And stop whining like Obama because you can't take the insults you deserve.

71 You guys need to get a room.......oh, wait...

72

Biden: Life Begins at Conception

Update: Delaware Senator Missing

73 Barbelle,
You should drop the last 'e' and just be 'barbell' if you're going to go around whacking people with a clue-by-four all the damned time.
*snicker*

killing murderers = justice
killing babies = taking an innocent life

74

I guess that means I'm done with Barbelle.

I'll try my luck with Daryl: "Right! If I believe that there is a difference between aborting a fetus and putting to death a double-murderer rapist tax evader, then I am a geographic bigot: I am applying a different standard to people living in prison and people living in Uterusbekistan."

If you believe that, then you believe that. But the people in Uterusbekistan believe otherwise. Do you think it should be the federal government's role to demand that Uterusbekistanis legislate according to your deeply held beliefs? Given that you will never set foot in Uterusbekistan? If so, maybe Uterusbekistan ought to petition the feds to ban all glue and paint sales to Daryl's home town, for fear that some nameless people there might be huffing too much of it.

75

I guess that means I'm done with Barbelle.

Makes sense, I was done with you after your first post. Figure it out sooner next time.

76 David Ross,

It's "uterus" -- bekistan.

"...the people in Uterusbekistan believe otherwise."
I'm guessing the "in-uterans" don't believe they should be killed.

77

You should drop the last 'e' and just be 'barbell' if you're going to go around whacking people with a clue-by-four all the damned time.
*snicker*

Well Peas and Rice, Nom, where has the IQ gone on this blog?  You and a few others hogging it all?

killing murderers = justice
killing babies = taking an innocent life

Math is hard.

78 I just wish I could bring teh funny, Barbelle.
I'm actually quite funny in real life but it just doesn't translate over the interwebs.
You always brought both insight and funny.
Not that I'm jealous.

<whisper>
bitch
</whisper>

It's good to have you back.

79 The Catechism of the Catholic Church 2266-2267 notes that "the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude...recourse to the death penalty," acknowledging its efficacy as punishment and expiation. But "given the means at the State's disposal to effectively repress crime by rendering inoffensive the one who has committed it, without depriving him definitively of the possibility of redeeming himself, cases of absolute necessity for suppression (i.e. execution) of the offender today ... are very rare, if not practically non-existent." Catholics take note: you have latitude here and are in communion with Rome regardless of your stand on the death penalty.

80

Shoot, Nom, teh charm is apparently coming through the 'webs quite well, but I'll say no more lest Reagan Smash mention something about getting a room again.

81 I'd pay for the room, if it's any consolation.
Reagan Smash be damned.

/flirting

I know you left in a bit of an unfortunate tiff; that's all.
But I always enjoyed your input and am glad you've given AoS a second (third?) chance.

82

I know you left in a bit of an unfortunate tiff; that's all.

What???  No I didn't.  Seriously, Hubby retired from the military and I got a job that kicks my tail with hours, so I can't post as much as I used to. 

Gosh, I hope other posters don't think that, it ain't true at ALL.  I am not the sort to get emotionally wrapped up in a website.

83 Oh, my apologies.
Perhaps I was confused about matters.

I hope the job is going well even if it's tough.
Cheers!

84

S'okay, Nom, that was just the first I'd heard about a tiff.  Ace is aces, always has been.  And thanks, the job is great.

85 ...if you believe in the absolute sanctity of human life, then you ought to be against the death penalty.

I believe in protecting the sanctity of innocent life.

86 oops

well, the point was to add innocent to blow a hole in FF's silly, immature argument.

87 If you believe in the death penalty then you, too, "believe the value of human life depends solely on geography" (as a legal matter).

Just as soon as fetuses start murdering people I think we can start taking this comparison seriously.

88

Really?  How then to explain his high scores from NARAL?

http://wsobchak.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/biden-as-vp-naral-stats/

2003: 36% (This is the stand-out) 2004: 100% 2005: 100% 2006: 100% 2007: 75%

PLINO?

89 If a fetus went on a three-state killing spree, I would consider the death penalty appropriate.

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