1 Weak red meat  attempt because Sarah killed it and it will DOUBLE Mac-Sarah the support...think Clinton's approval during impeachment...BRING IT ON! PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!

2 Yeah I saw that. What an asshole that guy is. George W. Bush is a great man, a good man, and he kept his country safe.

I despise Biden. Thankfully, he's the gaffe-master. Can't wait to hear about the Palin-Biden stompfest.

3 Bring it, O'Biden. If you want to see a real armed revolution in this nation.

4 Hey. Some crank at Slate or Salon (I forget which) was calling for this last month while covering Yearly Kos, or whatever it's called.

Coordination?

5 Please make this an issue. Please. I will donate to Obama/Biden if they do.

Best outcome: It will piss off every Republican and many, many independents.

Better outcome: Obama has to walk it back and piss off the left.

6 He ain't going to get the chance.  He ain't going to get elected.

7 Is Obama dumb enough to try something like this?  This is Kucinich Grade Loony.

8

I love Joe Biden.

 

Talk it up plugs.  Impeachment now, war crimes trials later!  You know you want it!!!

9 I don't think the GOP is going to lose the Presidential election by that much, actually!

What a great night.

10 What a strange tack to take at this stage in the campaign. Throwing more red meat to the extreme wing of your base when you should tacking to the center? Baffling, really.

He's got the base already, why throw this out there?

11 Very Democrat of them, didn't FDR go after Treasury Secretary Mellon of the Hoover administration?

12 why throw this out there?

Rookie tonedeafness.

13 Ah yes.  I love it when a plan comes together!  Keep talking, "Plugs".
Bwahahahahahaha! Bwahahahahahaha!

14 But they said Obama was the only man who could bring America together?

15 Sarah has them so scared they're running to the left when they're supposed to be running to the right. That's absolute death for the Obama ticket if it continues.

16 'Cause Biden's a moron, Bart?

17

Why stop there? All the people who voted with Bush are surely guilty of conspiracy. It's Constitutionally legal to disenfranchise felons. If McCain hasn't got the right to vote then surely he hasn't got the right to be a President.

All the Republicans who voted for McBush's illegal war in Iraq ought to be called out, fined, and banned from future office. Viva Obama!

/o-bot

18 Will he investigate the Clintons for their Going-Out-of-Business Pardon Sale, too? Or just Republicans?

You're running for President of the United states, man--not the tin horn junta leader some little Third-World shit-hole where every election means political prisoners in the docket. Maybe that's how they do things in the Banana Republic of Chicago, but that shit won't fly here, Mr. MugabeLite.

19 Bite Me Plugs you Delaware Douchebag/Nozzle/Fuck Head

20 I can't believe how nutty the traffic's been here the last few days.  100K+.  Insane.

21 "out of the need to preserve the notion that no one, no attorney general, no president -- no one is above the law."

So is he saying that they are going to randomly start investigating anyone and everyone to prove that no-one is above the law.

Has anyone stressed the fact that we have two lawyers on the Democrat ticket?

22 I can't believe how nutty the traffic's been here the last few days.  100K+.  Insane.

I'm trying to go to links from conservative sites and can't get through to most of them. Conservatives are crashing the net!

23 Joe Biden .... did he ever get into five digits vote-wise? Someday, they'll throw
"Joe Biden Appreciation Day" -- in Tehran. Even there, all of two people and a flea-bitten
camel will show up. Joe may give a speech if he can find one to steal.

24

If we lose, not, blanket pardon for all political appointees who worked for more that 2 days for the administration.

FUCK YOU PEOPLE!

25 The Kossacks actually think THIS PHOTO is damning.

26

Plus, this is the most time-tested and true way to get a dictatorship in office. Remember that Julius Caesar only crossed the Rubicon when the Senate and Pompey declared that they were preparing to arrest him for "war crimes".

Can we call Biden an "unhinged Caesarist" now?

27 Can we DEMAND that Biden be in charge of the hearings?

I just don't see the congressional sweep anymore.

28
Just one more reason why those people should never be allowed near the levers of power.

Personality cultists (just look at the Obama website and note that nothing there even mentions Biden) always want the show trials. It isn't enough for them to win, they must prove their opponents evil and criminal.

29

I believe Joey's forgotten something. He and Barack can get cracking today. Step into the well of the senate and call for impeachment! Justice shouldn't be delayed one minute more! What a numb nuts.

30 Quick! Arrest Bill Clinton! Perjury is a felony. An illeagal war without UN or Congressional approval is murder. He should be charged with war crimes! Murder! He has blood on his hands!

31 David Ross, I rarely disagree with you, but what the hell are you talking about?

After he crossed and was declared a war criminal, Caesar replaced an imperfect democracy with a military dictatorship.

Being declared a war criminal didn't, "get a dictatorship in office". Crossing the Rubicon with Roman legions prepared to do battle did.

32

Some chick on MSNBC just cited Politico.com as her source on a story that Palin's church had a speaker who blaimed the terrorist attacks on Israel to the jews not accepting christ.

Anyone find that?

33 mark c has a hell of a point.  What the fuck is Obama waiting for?  he talks about a lot of things he thinks we need to do with healthcare, tax policy, energy... but the president isn't really the right person to enact those changes... A SENATOR IS!  Obama is already in position to argue for what he wants.

Note that Mccain didn't wait to be president to fight for the surge.

34

Christoph you missed the point.  Once the Senate said they were going to arrest Caesar did he cross the Rubicon.  Had they held their fire, he probably would have, too. 

If you criminalize political differences people won't lose. 

 

 

35 Being declared a war criminal didn't, "get a dictatorship in office". Crossing the Rubicon with Roman legions prepared to do battle did.

Christoph, you're missing the point. Caesar knew that as soon as he resigned his commission and returned to private life, his enemies in the Roman Senate had plans all laid out to indict him. Naturally, Caesar wasn't too keen on that happening, so he did not step down. They really didn't give him much of an alternative.

36 curse you blaster, for beating me by 8 minutes

37 The Clinton impeachment proceedings were a bust with the American people, and he actually did something illegal! 

I agree with George Orwell; if they want a revolution, try this stunt.

38

Christoph, according to Rubicon by Tom Holland (p. 295) it seems that the Senate under Pompey declared Caesar a war criminal (over Gaul) first, and demanded he hand over his troops or be arrested. This was on 1 January 49 BC. On 7 January Pompey declared martial law in Rome, and Caesar's friends like Mark Antony had to disguise themselves and flee to Gaul. That Rubicon thing happened as a direct result of that.

Making military policy a retroactive felony would seem to be dangerous, is my point...

39

Can see Biden video here about this

 

http://williamamos.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/video-joe-biden-we-will-go-after-bush-administration/#comments

40 I defer to your greater knowledge on the subject, David Ross. Thanks for your explanation.

For what it's worth, I've been saying for days on these threads that when the political process breaks down, violence (war) is the result: in the United States or in any other country.

41 "Some chick on MSNBC just cited Politico.com as her source on a story that Palin's church had a speaker who blaimed the terrorist attacks on Israel to the jews not accepting christ".

Please!  I for one welcome further scrutiny of the candidates' churches and the kinds of people who speak there.

42

Hah, it wasn't superior knowledge, just a big library... thanks for calling me out on it, as I could just as easily have been wrong.

Roman Republic history is fun. Have you read Thomas Madden's "Empires of Trust"? It compares America with Rome but without all that "Chimperator" bullshit we've heard so much of from Kos.

43

Code Pinkos tried to storm the stage during Palin's speech. Stopped by SS at last second.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2074263/posts

 

44 Didn't Putin put all of his political opponents in jail right before he named himself Prime Minister of Russia for life?

45 America has fought off despots and tyrants and Dr. Pournelle's Iron Law of bureaucracy better than any other nation, so far.  I only hope we maintain the tradition.

I believe this is a ploy on Obama's part to motivate the base and boost his polling numbers.

Nevermind that the base is already in the can.  Obama returns to the base and the media every time he needs a boost and it is running out of steam.  People will become bored with Obama.  As long as McCain &co. can be fresh with their campaign, Obama will be falling behind like Miller cans on a wedding limo.

46 I haven't read the book, David Ross; when I was younger I used to skip school to read about Rome.

I was mostly interested in the military tactics, weapons, and battle history.

47 I guarantee that Joe Biden is telling the "<b>O!</b> --- um....wait a second...we're a little screwed here junior.

48 "I can't believe how nutty the traffic's been here the last few days.  100K+.  Insane."

Basically, Sarah Palin is keeping Ace stocked in Val-U-Rite.

Best.  VP.  Ever.

49 And Sarah Palin drove Bidens and Obamies nuts so far up from the sudden sack shrink that they have 3 Adams apples tonight.
Not elected yet but selected as the chupakabra of the left by McCain.

50

Obama = Andrew Sullivan's sphincter

Palin = Bardex catheter

Biden = barium enema solution

51 The Talking Point of both left and right pundits is that Mccain picked Palin because he knew he was losing (in spite of so many polls saying otherwise).

I think he picked Palin because she's a reforming badass and a smart leader.

Anyway, I think Biden is serving truther red meat to the far left in order to raise some money, and I think that campaign realizes it's in a lot of trouble.  I think they realize they are losing, which is why they have a 'fuck it' attitude towards extremely sleazy talking points about Palin.

52 I'd like to see the Republicans play up the "Obama will toss Bush in prison" meme.

53 Nothing says unity like threatening to throw democraticaly elected leaders in prison.

54 Hey, ent (this is an old hand, gone for a while, i'm using a new name/hash to remain anon)

You really think they're stupid enough to dredge up a speaker at her CHURCH?  With Wright out there?

55

Maybe it's the start of that "race and class war" they seem to be so fond of hinting at (the left that is)?

I'm in shock and awe at the effect Palin has had on O and Bi already -- "she used BOOSH'S speechwriter, did we tell you we plan on throwing the eeevvviil BOOSH and Co. in prison if we're elected, and you should vote for us because all Republicans are just clones of teh eeevvvilll BOOSH".

Dear God, this is Bush Derangement Syndrome taken to national policy level -- can Barry ever stop talking about Bush?  Just for one minute?  Can he really be so out of touch -- no, no, so batshit crazy as to never ever get off the topic of W Bush?  I am beginning to worry, because this man is starting to sound a bit nuts(one heartbeat away from the presidency my butt -- this guy, one vote away from the presidency is icey chill time).  I mean actually certifiable nuts (not nutty like mildly eccentric, but really a bit off kilter).  How is he going to handle it when Bush steps down (whether he wins or loses)?  He's got nothing really to say at all without Bush as a counterpoint.  It's the return of Mad King Georgie!

56 "Yo, George!"

(Frst song of American Doll Posse, by Tori Amos)

57 Caesar replaced an imperfect democracy with a military dictatorship.

Republican Rome an 'imperfect democracy?'  Oh, puhleeze.  Probably the most democratic, and demagogic, aspect of Roman politics was the Tribune of the Plebians, and Julius Caesar didn't eliminate them, hell that's where he went to make sure that his veteran soldiers were going to get paid.  Caesar's target was the Senate.

The Senate was the real power in Rome, and that was an oligarchy through and through.  Sure, cry all you want about the horrors of Julius Caesar's dictatorship, it wasn't Republican Rome's first, just it's last.

Then came the first Emperor, and what do you know, he's the one who eliminated the Tribune of the Plebians.

58

Hey, ent (this is an old hand, gone for a while, i'm using a new name/hash to remain anon)

You really think they're stupid enough to dredge up a speaker at her CHURCH?  With Wright out there?

Yes. Yes I do.

They did it with experience....

Anyway, the chick on MSNBC says, quite blunty "politico.com". Where'd you get that story from? they ask. "politico.com" she says.

And then they move on.

So if politico isn't reporting it after all, that's just one hell of a whopper of a lie and a smear on MSNBC. Which wouldn't be suprising but is noteworthy.

If politico is reporting it, well then it's probably a smear on their part (probably) but I'm just trying to figgure out who's who here.

59

So great to know that the Obama administration would be so hard at work on really important issues after taking over.....what a joke.  That is about as great as all the "non-binding" resolutions that our wonderful Democratic Congress has worked so hard on since obtaining the majority.....

McCain/Palin 2008

60

Once again I say, "Show me the criminal acts NOW!"

Of course there aren't any.

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