1 When the top of the ticket is struggling to appear more qualified that the bottom of the other ticket, its losing.

2

Obama's campaign has made record expenditures with little to show for the money.

-

Obama - Four More Years

^{and then He'll Be Ready.}

3

What legislation did you pass, Obama? By pass, do you mean wrote it, or shepherded it through the Senate, or do you mean you just happened to be in D.C. the day it came up for a vote?

Could you discuss some of those recommendations you made, why you made them, and in what manner they seem to have been implemented?

Any recommendations made that were not implemented? 

FFS

 

4 He did not run his campaign that well. He lost every big state where there was a straight up election.

5 What legislation did you pass, Obama?

I thought we were clear that there will be no followup questions

6 Did you notice that Obama pronounces Wasilla as "Wasilly"?

7 I do love the insinuation that running for president somehow qualifies him to be president.

Wonder how long it will take the media to run with it.  Other than Mort Kondracke, who already did.

8 I do love the insinuation that running for president somehow qualifies him to be president.

If a Republican candidate had cited his running a presidential campaign as experience for the office itself, the MSM would be howling about it 24/7. But since it's the Chosen One, the MSM reaction is "meh".

9 Yep. Obama can't help himself. He knows better than to engage in this debate, but there is some aspect of his character that simply refuses to accept that a woman could be as accomplished or as experienced as The One.

The Clintonites whined way too much, but they did have a lucid point. The extent of the Obama's campaign misogyny stems from the top of the ticket. The masks occasionally slips (remember "you're likable enough, Hillary?") though. This is another example.

That's one of the reasons Palin was such an interesting choice. She'll be a constant annoyance to Obama, simply by her presence alone, regardless of whether she brings in votes or not. Every day that Obama gets involved in one of these discussions is a bad day for his campaign.

10

Did anyone see Carville holding up a photo of the Wasilla town hall last night on CNN? Of course ABC had to replay the clip this morning on GMA. Looks like the talking point has gone out. 

The GOP op had to feebly play the gender card and be "offended for women everywhere" instead of asking for a picture of the state capital.

11 I bet she can beat a 37 at the bowling alley too.

12 rockmom at hotair has a comment that sums up the Obama campaign perfectly.

13 WE still are wondering where alot of that money came from Barry.
That money that you spend like crazy.

14

He's stooping to conquer. Toby's got it right--the fact that he hasn't farmed out VP-level snark to Biden says a lot about The One's present confidence. Actually, his doing so is in line with my theory that Biden will be a bootlicker and nothing more.

As for his running qualifying him, that's in perfect accord with a favorite principle of leftist thinking: it's so meta it hurts.

 

15 The whole "just the Mayor of Wasilla" thing is really starting to irritate me. I mean, why don't we call Barak Obama a Community Organizer from Chicago whenever we talk about him? Do you really want someone who was just yesterday a Community Organizer as President? It sounds ridiculous. So does ignoring the fact that Palin's the Governor of a state.

16 Watching the vicious, personal, misogynistic attacks on Palin over the weekend makes me realize just how lucky we are to have her on the ticket and how great she would be for the country. Democratic hacks have covered themselves in slime attempting to smear her. Is it any wonder she is rare in politics? Most decent people look at the depravity of the political attack machine and want to stay away.

17 Well, Palin would probably not prefer talk about her handling of the Alaska state budget because it's filled with nothing but Federal subsidies and pork.  I mean, looking at the FY 2009 summary, Palin starts out with $8,577,900,000 in oil money and other Federal budget subsidies before she even spends a dime.  http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/09_omb/budget/bills/FY09_Fiscal_Summary_rev_6-16-08.pdf

In Alaska instead of paying taxes you RECEIVE $1,000 in the mail once you've lived there for over a year.  How hard is it to balance that state budget?

18

But Obama was a COMMUNITY ORGANIZER.  Which means he was somehow able to convince welfare recipients to protest this or that to demand more free shit.  After pulling that off, getting Putin to pull out of Georgia will be a piece of cake.

19

One liberal's take. Peter DeCoursey writes for Capitolwire.com, a subscription site for PA politics.

Palin’s been dismissed before.

...I do know a few things: first, there is nothing most women detest more than a bunch of male elitists making sure women have few opportunities, then talking about the vital importance of experience.

And I find it hard to believe that if Joe Biden’s granddaughter was pregnant at 18, people would regard it as a test of his character.

Sure, it is always SchadenfeudeFest time when a preacher of sexual abstinence, that chimera conservatives try to sell as a solution, turns out to have made no sales with her own daughter, and rightly so. But most parents aren’t going to rush to judge Palin on that.

And let’s remember folks, she is a reformer. By definition, they don’t have much experience. Anyone who doubts that can look up the biography of now-indicted former state House Minority Whip Mike Veon, D-Beaver. He began as a reformer, and ended up with 50 counts of felonies.

So McCain’s choice was someone who helped create the spending and regulatory system he abhors and voted against for decades, or someone to change it. And unfortunately the list of fiscal reformers who come approved by the Council on Foreign Relations was kinda blank this year.

And I also don’t get the rush to judgment on Palin. Assuming all the worst that is said and written about her is true, which I doubt, but assuming so, no vice presidential candidate in the 20th century caused his senior running mate to lose.

Don’t believe me. Ask Dan Quayle, who didn’t stop Papa Bush from winning in 1988, and didn’t cause his loss in 1992.

As for Palin? She’ll hold up fine. The last time people dismissed her this immediately and fully, she won the governorship of Alaska, to the astonishment of Stevens, Young and especially Murkowski.

20

Regarding Obama's "2,500 employees" in this campaign.

Wait one minute ....

is Obama now counting "unpaid advisers" - e.g. Powers, McPeak, et cetera - as employees?

How many people are drawing paychecks from the Obama campaign?

21

I haven't checked it out, but another poster at Ace's said Alaska's budget was $6-billion.

And funny how passing a law that says someone else has to achieve a goal is supposed to be greater executive experience than being the person, like even a small-town mayor, who is actually responsible for implementing the law to achieve the goal.

22 Palin starts out with $8,577,900,000 in oil money

Wait, so the state should not benefit from the fact that it's rich in natural resources?  Let's extend this.  Maine: give up the tourism and lobster money.  Florida: any money you make off your beaches is illegitimate...etc...etc.

23 In Alaska instead of paying taxes you RECEIVE $1,000 in the mail once you've lived there for over a year.

I'm not seeing your point, cam

24 Cam, sounds like good management to me.

25 Just how much executive experience did Jesus have before he became the Messiah?

26 I do love the insinuation that running for president somehow qualifies him to be president.

The other chestnut of self-referential goodness that the Donks are spinning is that he's qualified because he won the nomination of his party. 

At which point I face-palm in disgust at sharing the planet with these people, and then have a drink. 

27 The other chestnut of self-referential goodness

He is the one he's been waiting for

28 In Alaska instead of paying taxes you RECEIVE $1,000 in the mail once you've lived there for over a year.  How hard is it to balance that state budget?

Posted by: Cam at September 02, 2008 11:21 AM (6+j77)

So what you're saying, Cam, is we need to drill, drill, drill?!

29 And, certainly, in terms of the legislation that I passed just dealing with this issue post-Katrina of how we handle emergency management, the fact that many of my recommendations were adopted and are being put in place as we speak, I think, indicates the degree to which we can provide the kinds of support and good service that the American people expect.

I don't have the time to parse this (I happen to be playing whack-a-mole at work right now), but I am skeptical of absolutely anything uttered by The One.  His intial obfuscation here is egregious:  He didn't pass anything.  He may have voted to pass something, but His vote simply was not the authoritative yes or no on the matter.  I don't even know that He voted for whatever it is that he says He favors.  What particular recommendations did He propose? Which ones are being implemented as we speak?  Relying on Obama for truth is like discharging a fire extinguisher to clear the air.

30 Hey, lookee- we got us a stealth troll masquerading under the name of Cam.

Say hey to jugears and chia head, 'kay pal?

31

What’ve They Done….What’ve They Run

May I point out for the past 2 years Palin was “on-the-job” every workday (+weekends) administering her $6.7 billion annual budget, and overseeing her 15,000 employees - while the Obamamessiah was giving speeches on the campaign trail.

 

I don’t know about other parts of the country, but in Chicago the terms “activist”, “community organizer” means shakedown artist. As a matter of interest, and while playing the role of neighborhood activist,  Obama DID in fact control a $100 million budget - when he was Chairman of Wm. Ayers’ Annenberg project to “enhance” the Chicago Public Schools. After he and Ayers (”just a guy from the neighborhood” according to B.O.) had spent the $100 million in question, the University of Illinois (Chicago) reported there was no discernible improvement to the Chicago school system. Surprised? You shouldn’t be when it comes to light the vast majority of the $100 million was spent on ‘grants’ to ultras left-wing neighborhood activists”, “reform” groups, etc.

In any event, the experience with William Ayers led to the Cook County machine’s getting him a job as State senator – where he voted “present” 160+ times(!)  Yet another example of Executive decision making no doubt.  Governors on the other hand, don’t have the luxury of “voting present”,  all of which leads me to conclude if the call came in (to the White House) at 3 a.m., Obama would just  let the answering machine field the call.

32

Barry, barry, Barry...

He just slimed a woman as being not competent enough to run Alaska.

Lovely people, I am just SURE he had NOTHING at all to do with that sleazy pregnancy rumor, NOTHING AT ALL!

33

Cam, do some actual research yourself instead of sucking down whatever blog-trash you people are circulating. Find out how much oil money was coming in before Palin grabbed that bull by the horns and how much Alaska takes in now. Get back to us on that, won't you?

She fights for her people, like a mother lion for her cubs.

34

Oh, it's $8.6-billion and not just $6-billion. And I didn't know that "oil money" is somehow tainted as pork.

But the real point of this thread, tobies and trolls aside, Cam, is that it's about having executive experience in actually seeing how government revenues are spent directly, not about balancing a budget (something Obama couldn't do with that Chicago grant-giving foundation he was CEO of) and about just telling someone else through legislation that they're responsible for doing something with the money, if Obama had even been sitting in the Senate enough to acutally vote.

We can have a different thread about whether Palin is really a pork-buster or not when questions are raised about that. You know, like Ace and e.g. HotAir already have. (And I'm off for the afternoon, so save the "I'm not a troll" stuff for after 7:00 p.m., Cam. Bye.)

35 Barry is barely qualified to be a Chicago city alderman. 

36 "actually"

37

Barack,

You know at first I was a little skeptical that hiring 2500 people to run around spending $36 million a month trying to convince the world that you're Jesus really did much to prepare someone for running a country of 300+ million people.  Especially considering how poorly your campaign has squandered its inherant advantages and the fact that most of your biggest fans seem to be...let me be delicate here...deranged and hatefilled nutjobs who spend much of their time trying to protect you by crazily and hamhandedly lashing out at your percieved enemies.  Actually I'm still pretty skeptical. 

Mort Kondracke and the establishment liberal media buy into it though so there's that.

38

If McCain REALLY wished to bring all this bulls**t to a screeching halt, he should demand three (3) series of debates:

 

POTUS vs POTUS

VP vs VP

(D) POTUS vs (R) VP,  and  (R) POTUS vs (D) VP

 

That way, the public gets to see EVERYBODY “at play” and can make up their own minds about the talent on the competing tickets.

39 I don’t know about other parts of the country, but in Chicago the terms “activist”, “community organizer” means shakedown artist.
Isn't true that in Chicago "elected to office" means shakedown artist?
Also GOV Palin stod up to corrupt Alaskan REPULICANS, while THE ONE stood up and said he was in the room and played along.

40 And, certainly, in terms of the legislation that I passed just dealing with this issue post-Katrina...

he Passed? The man's ego knows no limits. Was he even in involved in this legislation? How on earth can one man out of 100 think he passed the legislation? What kind of colossal arrogance makes a man talk like this - or is he just so inexperienced and foolish he thinks that's how it works?

41 He just slimed a woman as being not competent enough to run Alaska.

I can't wait 'til that chain-smoking cocksucker calls her "sweetie" and she sends his tiny 'nads northward.

42 ...it's about having executive experience in actually seeing how government revenues are spent directly, [and] not ...... just telling someone else through legislation that they're responsible for doing something with the money... . andycanuck

Or as W might have said, it is about being a decider. There is an experience that you gain when make a decision that causes actions, as opposed to making your intentions (good ones, of course!) known. Actions have good and bad consequences and leadership experience comes from implementing them and watching the good and bad and then knowing you did that.
Legislative experience is about feeling good, and holding hearings about how executives or private citizens brazenly warped your intentions, perhaps causing unintended consequences, but somehow translating your noble intentions and brilliant compromise and negotiation into a thing that hurts some more than it helps others.
Obama and Biden haven't experience at all.

43

Being Mayor of Wasilla is a bigger accomplishment than anything "Metro" has done.  The best part of this whole "issue": that isn't even the top entry on her resume.

How can you tell when the other team is losing without looking at the scoreboard:

When a team switches tactics and uses their allstar forward to guard the other team's point guard, that team is losing.

When a team pulls their goalie to use him on offense, that team is losing.

When the candidate for president of one party's ticket spends all of his time attacking the VP candidate of the other party (and ending up with egg on his face every time he says something), that team is losing. 

44 On full on board with Palin and think she has what it takes to become a national  leader and will not mention this again as it will only assist her critics but a one time Buchanan supporter?

45

OBAMA: Well, you know, my understanding is, is that Governor Palin's town of Wasilla has, I think, 50 employees. We have got 2,500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe $12 million a year. You know, we have a budget of about three times that just for the month.

This sounds eerily familiar to his "Iran is a tiny country" comments

46 a one time Buchanan supporter?

I think that you are mistaken, poly

47

If McCain was smart he's use this:  compair the size of his campaign and budget against Obama's.  

Then ask people who they think will reduce the budget and be more fically responsible.

48 Nevermind, I read the link.

49 polynikes^{you are wrong}

50 Wanted.......Night time manager for busy 24/7 McDonalds restaurant in Chicago. EXPERIENCED APPLICANTS ONLY.


Guess that'd disqualify both Obama and Biden

51 I'm not so sure that Team Obama would have liked the headline exactly like ...  Obama defends natural disaster experience

52 I could be categorized as a one-time Buchanan supporter.  Until he went disturbingly storm-watch on us.  Kind of like Joe Sobran.  I loved Joe as a modern day moralist, and I resisted, for years, the evidence that he was an anti-semite.

53

City Journal looks at Obama's use of government funds to run organizations that advocate for more....government funds:

Barack Obama’s ascendance is a testament to community activists’ success in amassing political power since the mid-1960s, when the War on Poverty fueled their rise and changed the electoral calculus in many U.S. cities.

Community organizing’s roots stretch back to the 1930s and Chicago organizer Saul Alinsky, founder of the Industrial Areas Foundation and author of Rules for Radicals. But it wasn’t until President Lyndon Johnson’s ambitious plan to end poverty through massive federal spending that the Alinsky model—grassroots organizing, neighborhood by neighborhood—really took off. Starting in the mid-1960s, the federal government directed billions of dollars to neighborhood groups, convinced that they knew better than Washington what their communities needed. The federal funds, eventually supplemented by state and local tax dollars, helped create a universe of government-funded community groups running everything from job-training programs to voter-registration drives—far beyond anything Alinsky could have imagined. Some 3,000 local social-services groups were soon receiving government funding in New York City alone. Many were new, but the money also helped turn traditional charities that had operated on private donations into government contractors.

Those who led these social-services groups became advocates, unsurprisingly, for government-funded solutions to social problems. To defend and expand their turf, organizers began heading into the political arena, wielding the power they had accumulated in neighborhoods to build a base of supporters. In New York, operators of huge social-services groups like Pedro Espada in the Bronx and Albert Vann in Brooklyn won election to state and federal posts after heading up large, powerful nonprofits. By the late 1980s, nearly 20 percent of New York City Council members were products of the government-funded nonprofit sector, and they were among the most strident advocates for higher taxes and more government spending.

54 I'll take a Buchanan button over a friendship with a pentagon bomber any old day of the week.

55 Obama: Qualified for President because he slept in a Holiday Inn Express

Hey Obama... I guess I'm a commercial pilot now, because I flew in first class and my jet successfully went from Atlanta to Chicago.

Holy cow. Being the celebrity candidate with a whole staff of managers qualifies you to claim you're running the campaign too? Next we'll have actors claiming they're experienced in running studios, hotel bellhops qualified to run Hyatt International and freshmen college students demanding to teach the classes.

What an entertaining fantasy this man lives in. It's almost like a WE network made-for-television show.

56

Okay, let's do it. Let's get the Mr. Barack Obama monkey off our backs and off other people's backs as well. For starters, we have a choice. Either we let ourselves be led like lambs to the slaughter by Barack Obama and his secret police or we clear the cobwebs out of people's heads and help them understand that Mr. Obama's ideals have grown into the world's greatest enslavers of human minds. While I don't expect you to have much trouble making up your mind you should nevertheless consider that throughout history, there has been a clash between those who wish to challenge the soft bigotry of low expectations and those who wish to sully a profession that's already held in low esteem. Naturally, Mr. Obama belongs to the latter category.

Mr. Obama alleges that an open party with unlimited access to alcohol can't possibly outgrow the host's ability to manage the crowd. Naturally, this is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. An inner voice tells me that only through education can individuals gain the independent tools they need to begin a course of careful, planned, and coordinated action. But the first step is to acknowledge that I do not appreciate being labeled. No one does. Nevertheless, if I didn't think Mr. Obama would shatter other people's lives and dreams, I wouldn't say that I am hurt, furious, and embarrassed. Why am I hurt? Because every time he tells his lapdogs that a plausible excuse is a satisfactory substitute for performance, their eyes roll into the backs of their heads as they become mindless receptacles of unsubstantiated information, which they accept without question. Why am I furious? Because he uses big words like "hydrometallurgically" to make himself sound important. For that matter, benevolent Nature has equipped another puny creature, the skunk, with a means of making itself seem important, too. Although Mr. Obama's intimations may reek like a skunk, some people think that this is a very real and serious concern. Others feel that to call Mr. Obama a beast is to defame all quadrupeds. In the interest of clearing up the confusion I'll make the following observation: Mr. Obama's most steadfast claim is that coercion in the name of liberty is a valid use of state power. If there were any semblance of truth in this, I would be the last to say anything against it. As it stands, however, it's astounding that Mr. Obama has found a way to work the words "parthenogenetic" and "lithochromatographic" into his expostulations. However, you may find it even more astounding that if he continues to traffic in our blood, birthright, and security, crime will escalate as schools deteriorate, corruption increases, and quality of life plummets. And why am I embarrassed? Because Mr. Obama can't discuss anything without talking about revisionism. But the problems with Mr. Obama's orations don't end there.

It should be stressed that I once told Mr. Obama that by supporting dissolute, quasi-vengeful election-year also-rans with inferior moral standards, we devalue ourselves, the lives of our children, and the heroes who died for our freedoms. How did he respond to that? He proceeded to curse me off using a number of colorful expletives not befitting this letter, which serves only to show that Mr. Obama wonders why everyone hates him. Apparently, he never stopped to think that maybe it's because it is not news that whenever he gives a speech, he is always careful to sidestep the issue of how he is offended by the truth. What speaks volumes, though, is that there is a format Mr. Obama should follow for his next literary endeavor. It involves a topic sentence and supporting facts.

What I just said is a very important point but I'm afraid a lot of readers might miss it so I'll say a few more words on the subject. I acknowledge freely and make no apology for the fact that I once considered it reasonable for nefarious demoniacs to exploit other cultures for self-entertainment. But now I know that Mr. Obama likes challenging all I stand for. That's the most damnable thing about him. It's also why Mr. Obama says that the existence and perpetuation of cronyism is its own moral justification. What he means by this, of course, is that he wants free reign to lead us into an age of shoddiness -- shoddy goods, shoddy services, shoddy morals, and shoddy people. Why don't more people complain when they see him relabel millions of people as "malodorous"? It's because Mr. Obama has mastered the art of tricking people with images and myths. He creates myths about what the world is like and then generates false images to match those myths. This proves to me, at least, that the cure for corruption, conspiracy, and treason must start by exposing the problem to people who care and are not themselves corrupted. Sadly, lack of space prevents me from elaborating further.

While morally crippled enemies of the people (especially the insolent type) claim to defend traditional values, they actually achieve total world domination. I once managed to get Mr. Obama to agree that I shall make every effort, especially in this limited space, to enhance people's curiosity, critical acumen, and aesthetic sensitivity. Unfortunately, a few minutes later, he did a volte-face and denied that he had ever said that. Squalid larrikinism is the shadow cast on society by his self-fulfilling prophecies, and as long as this is so, the attenuation of the shadow will not change the substance.

The pen is a powerful tool. Why don't we use that tool to arraign Mr. Obama at the tribunal of public opinion? I've known some usurers who were impressively myopic. However, Mr. Obama is tendentious and that trumps myopic every time. Here's some food for thought: There is a proper place in life for hatred. Hatred of that which is wrong is a powerful and valuable tool. But when Mr. Obama perverts hatred in order to consign most of us to the role of his servants or slaves, it becomes clear that the costs of his wheelings and dealings outweigh their benefits. I submit that everyone should stop and mull that assertion. Then, you'll understand why in Mr. Obama's quest to put political correctness ahead of scientific rigor he has left no destructive scheme unutilized.

Mr. Obama just keeps on saying, "I don't give a [expletive deleted] about you. I just want to lead us, lemminglike, over the precipice of self-destruction." Behold what a nice, thick, fat lie it is when he denies ever having strived to reap a harvest of death. We mustn't let him make it virtually impossible to fire incompetent workers. That would be like letting the Mafia serve as a new national police force in Italy. Mr. Obama wants to work hand-in-glove with doctrinaire galoots. Who does he think he is? I mean, his slogans promote a redistribution of wealth. This is always an appealing proposition for Mr. Obama's hangers-on because much of the redistributed wealth will undoubtedly end up in the hands of the redistributors as a condign reward for their loyalty to Mr. Obama.

I am starting a grassroots campaign with the sole purpose of stopping Mr. Obama. End of story. Actually, I should add that if he is going to make an emotional appeal then he should also include a rational argument. When you get right down to it, he ignores a breathtaking number of facts, most notably:

Fact: It is not possible fully to understand the present except as a projection of the past.

Fact: He is unable to deal with a world populated by human beings.

Fact: He should get off his high horse.

In addition, I want to give people more information about Mr. Obama, help them digest and assimilate and understand that information, and help them draw responsible conclusions from it. Here's one conclusion I indisputably hope people draw: Mr. Obama's hypocrisy is transparent. Even the least discerning among us can see right through it.

Never mind that Mr. Obama's bald-faced lies and growing list of material falsehoods raise some new and very disturbing issues. What's really important is that it will not be easy to change the world for the better. Nevertheless, we must attempt to do exactly that for the overriding reason that on a television program last night, I heard one of this country's top scientists conclude that, "No matter how much Mr. Obama's tracts are rationalized, they still pit the haves against the have-nots." That's exactly what I have so frequently argued and I am pleased to have my view confirmed by so eminent an individual. I need your help if I'm ever to make plans and carry them out. "But I'm only one person," you might protest. "What difference can I make?" The answer is: a lot more than you think. You see, Mr. Obama's primary goal is to give lunatics control of the asylum. All of his other objectives are secondary to this one supreme purpose. That's why you must always remember that Mr. Obama's reasoning is circular and therefore invalid. In other words, he always begins an argument with his conclusion (e.g., that his morals are all sweetness and light) and therefore -- not surprisingly -- he always arrives at that very conclusion.

Someone once said to me, "Mr. Obama should pay for his mistakes." This phrase struck me so forcefully that I have often used it since. He is more dangerous than other drugged-out, brazen nobodies because the spoiled, pampered offspring of the cosseted upper class actually believe him when he says that society is supposed to be lenient towards unscrupulous insurrectionists. In his obiter dicta, absenteeism is witting and unremitting, brassbound and mingy. He revels in it, rolls in it, and uses it to tell everyone else what to do. With this letter, I hope I have made my views clear: Even gormless litterbugs are ashamed of being associated with Mr. Barack H. Obama's infantile reasoning and asinine positions.

57 Hasn't a single one of his advisers brought him up to date?  She hasn't been a Mayor for a while now -- I seem to recall hearing she found another job...

58 running for president somehow qualifies him to be president.

By this measure, Harold Stassen, the 4-year perennial "up and comer" who delivered the RNC keynote address in 1940, would have been the best qualified in the last half-century, but this would also make the late comedian Pat Paulsen more qualified that Obama.

59 Buchanan was a useful speechwriter, and sometimes he's an entertaining bomb-thrower, but as a conservative philosopher he's SpongeBob.

Frankly, the McCain campaign didn't handle the daughter's-bun-in-the-oven situation all that gracefully. 

If, as Time says, it's been an open secret around Wasilla, they should have grabbed Levi and chucked him on the plane to Dayton too. "Son, heard about the law of unintended consequences?  Well, you're now living it.  Contributing seed to the Governor's garden means that, if we have anything to say about it, the Secret Service is going to be following your ass around for the next decade and a half, so you may as well start getting used to it now."

Put him up on stage next to his fiancee and let the press go "WTF?"

60 this would also make the late comedian Pat Paulsen more qualified that Obama.

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE GET THIS LINE TO MCCAIN?  THANK YOU.

61 I loved Joe as a modern day moralist, and I resisted, for years, the evidence that he was an anti-semite.

Sobran is a sad case. In his National Review days, he was one of the most incisive, trenchant conservative columnists around. Then around 1989-90, he started hitting the goofy juice, WF Buckley cut him loose, and he's been on a downward spiral ever since.

62 I forget, who's managing Obama's campaign? Could it be... Campaign manager David Plouffe?

So Obama carefully avoids Palin's most recent, relevant experience and then says he has more experience, compared to her previous occupation, because he's part of a campaign that he isn't even managing himself.

Alrighty then. I think that's a veiled admission from Obama that he, in fact, is not as qualified as Palin to be president.

63 Woo, Christoph! That was long. I get the impression it's a quote. From whom?

64 Excuse me, but why is everyone comparing Obama to Palin? Obama is running for president. If he wins, he'll be president IMMEDIATELY. Palin is running for VP, and she might be president someday.

Isn't this comparing an apple to an orange?

65 By Barry's rules, Nader would be the most experienced motherfucker in the universe.

66 The whole "just the Mayor of Wasilla" thing is really starting to irritate me. I mean, why don't we call Barak Obama a Community Organizer from Chicago whenever we talk about him?

I am just astounded that they're using that line of attack. It's unbelievable. I didn't realize that when you're comparing experience, you can just pick any random damn time in your opponent's life to compare it to. I just assumed you should compare your current experience to their current experience.

Fuck it, if we're doing that, Obama's more experienced than McCain. McCain's only a Naval Academy graduate.

More experience than Bill Clinton, who merely worked on McGovern's campaign.

More experienced than Eisenhower, who was just a high school graduate (at one point).

Obama has more experience with his 2,500 employees in charge of millions of dollars per month than Ronald Reagan, who only had one person helping him with his lemonade stand when he was 6 (and only made a couple of pennies).

67 It's from right here, David Ross.

68 Obama has more experience with his 2,500 employees in charge of millions of dollars per month than Ronald Reagan, who only had one person helping him with his lemonade stand when he was 6 (and only made a couple of pennies).
Yea, but back then a penny was worth something. And he (RWR) didn't spend it on a Veep Choice Committee that came up with the Keil Kinnock speech "borrower."
Gov Palin will stick kick the shakedown artist's bike riding but down the street.
Can not wait to hear her speech tomorow night.

69

The latest I heard, the extent of her support was, she wore a "Buchanan" button when he visited the town she was then mayor of.

That's all they got?

70 bike riding BUTT not but

71 I love Gov. Palin, and I think it's great that McCain took her. The left sounds desperate, which has to be a good sign. And when they don't sound desperate, they sound like they're whistling past the graveyard.

But.

I'm afraid that this Bristol story will get too much traction. It shouldn't, but it might, and it was an unforced error not to announce it matter-of-factly on Friday.

Add to that the fact that Captain Bullshit has a six-point lead, and I'm nervous. We've got our convention, but I fear that Bristol will overshadow it. We're not going to get the spoogetastic coverage that the Dem convention got. We might not get a bounce at all.

It's very frustrating. We shouldn't be in this race, but we are, and yet the media is trying to snatch it all away from us with a full court press tougher than anything I've ever seen. I can't even look at MSM websites.

Ugh.

72

If a Republican candidate had cited his running a presidential campaign as experience for the office itself, the MSM would be howling about it 24/7. But since it's the Chosen One, the MSM reaction is "meh".

In this case, McCain is twice as qualified as Barry since he's run two times.

73

I didn't realize that when you're comparing experience, you can just pick any random damn time in your opponent's life to compare it to.

I cannot believe any journalist or politician really thinks we can take them seriously when they talk about "Governor Palin" being only a former mayor. Even when they mention the governor part, they skip the Oil Com. job.

OTOH, who would have thought a new show could convince people that pressing the brake petal would make a car accelerate occasionally, so I guess I shouldn't be suprised at what some people will attempt.

74 I'm afraid that this Bristol story will get too much traction.

Traction how? With whom? What family in America doesn't have at least one member (cousin, aunt, etc) who didn't become pregnant before being married? This isn't something unprecedented and wierd, this is pretty common (sadly) these days. And it is just making the Democrats look awful to women for attacking the topic.

75 Just checking my math here...how qualified would this line of reasoning have made George Wallace and Harold Stassen to be President?

76 Hugh Hewitt has put up a worthy comment about the belittling of public service as the mayor of Wasilla:

"The elitism embedded in all of the attacks on Governor Palin is becoming more and more obvious and is itself beginning to add to the fuel behind the Palin breakout.  The collision between elites and ordinary citizens is unfolding at a very rapid pace, and the spirit of reform and change isn't with the elites or their chosen candidate."

Ask Bristol Palin,
Liberals are MEAN

77 Mean isn't the problem, Reiver, a lot of liberals are in day-to-day life sweet and nice. The problem is liberals are EVIL

78

From the thread topic:

"I think their budget is maybe $12 million a year. You know, we have a budget of about three times that just for the month."

Does BHO really have $36million to spend each month, is this wishful thinking, or something else?

 

"So, I think that our ability to manage large systems and to execute, I think, has been made clear over the last couple of years."

Who, by name?  It looks like success can be attributed to Bobby Jindal (R-La), not to Barak Obama at all.

 

And now, a parsing attempt:

"And, certainly, in terms of the legislation that I passed supported / voted for / talked about/etc.  just dealing with this issue post-Katrina of how we handle emergency management, the fact that many of my recommendations (list please, and from any Senate Committee minutes) were adopted and are being put in place as we speak, (too late, the recommendations that are being executed now are of interest, not new ones being put into place) I think, indicates the degree to which we can provide the kinds of support and good service (we're talking about emergency preparedness / evacuation, not job counseling / tennants rights / health clinic operations) that the American people expect."

It;s starting to look like a detailed seach for the truth will reveal that BHO did nothing other than vote for legislation.

 

79 A common talking point for the donks is experience, and Sen. Obama has just made a big deal about how Palin's Wasilla tunure included managing a city budget that doesn't even equate to one month of Obama's campaign budget.  Therein lies the rub:  Obama has never chaired or administered a budget that wasn't initiated as an in-toto spend-down, i.e., the sole point, indeed, the PURPOSE of his budgets was to spend and reach ZERO.  See, e.g., Chicago Annenberg Challenger.  See also 2008 Obama campaign budget.  A governmental budget, like the one administered by Governor Palin, is ideally an excercise in frugality, in trying to preserve funds, spend no more than is necessary, and to have a surplus at the close of the fiscal year.  The two points of view are no more alike than chicken farming and scrambled eggs.  Yes, they both start with eggs.

80

Various:

1. So Obama is forcing the comparison to Palin's stint at the helm of Wasilla? Let's run with this a bit. Hmm. By that account, McCain's experience qual' makes him a former Annapolis graduate. Obama is a former community organizor, Biden is a ...well, Biden is unemployed, and Palin is a former mayor.

Advantage: Palin.

2. Obama supported ...hmm, himself it seems. Palin supported Forbes? That Steve Forbes? - Omigawd, I want to have her love child.

Advantage: Palin

3. Obama is an intimate of Bill Ayers, unrepentant US terrorist. Palin once wore a Buchanan button (amongst others) to greet the crusy old retro-grouch ...and ol' Pat isn't all that happy bein' called a Nazi symp' y'all. No indeedy: expect him to retaliate. Count on it.

Advantage: Palin

4. If it came to it Obama would drive one of his baby girls to the clinic to face the knife. Todd Palin fired up the snowmobile and rode over to the boy's house with a shotgun and a steely smile ...wedding to shortly follow.

Advantage: God

5. Obama says "...then we'll just bring a gun to a knife fight" (or something unsporting), albeit altogether unconvincingly. Palin nuzzles up to that mean-looking full-auto rifle beside the range instructor and lovingly caresses the trigger just so and doesn't even flinch when she lights it off.

Advantage: Heh.

...double heh.

81 In Alaska instead of paying taxes you RECEIVE $1,000 in the mail once you've lived there for over a year.

Damn, Cam doesn't even get this right. As of 2007, it's about $1600, and that comes from the Permanent Fund, which is a rather unique institution.

Even the corrupt Republican political regime in Alaska has enough restraint to keep from having to tax individual residents. Can you imagine the gluttony if you transplanted the Chicago Democratic machine into AK?

82 If you are trying to compare your candidate to the person running for vice president you are in trouble. Neither of us have experience!!!

83

 Palin was a Forbes supporter.

That's not insignificant, folks.  It's a very positive indicator of Palin's small government convictions, in my view.

 

84 Excellent point, jazz.

According to the AICPA's "Obama Standard," every human on the planet capable of spending can "executively" manage a budget. In summary (and I'll paraphrase) in states, "Starting with a whole pile of credits, spend freely until the balance equals zero. Keep receipts of all transactions. Record the expenditures as debits. Produce a balance sheet and place a zero at the bottom. Oh, and by the way, you need not actually keep the books yourself. Executively delegate the activity to any member of your management team and go get a massage. You've earned it."

85 Oops. "It states," not "in states." My paraphrasing is off. I should pull a Biden (no, it's not what you're thinking) and plagiarize next time.

86 If it came to it Obama would drive one of his baby girls to the clinic to face the knife. Todd Palin fired up the snowmobile and rode over to the boy's house with a shotgun and a steely smile ...wedding to shortly follow.

Hahahahaha I love the Religious Right.  You are the ones defending the "sanctity of marriage" right?  It's such a devout and holy institution that every time a teenager gets pregnant it means that they MUST get married.  I guess having unprotected sex means that you are soul mates?  How does a shotgun wedding equate with the "protection of this sacred institution"?

87 It's interesting that Obama, and his staff, deliberately ignore Gov. Palin's experience as Governor of Alaska and focus on her time as Mayor. 

The Alaska state budget runs about $6.5 Billion.  So by Obama's own logic, she is more qualified to be President than he is.

88 If Obama's this qualified after campaigning for two years, imagine how qualified he would be if he had to run again in 2012!

89

Dammit, davis, br: way to let the troll call you out. You must have been the #1 own-goal scorer in your soccer league.

Cam: davis does not speak for the "Religious Right" (whatever that is) any more than I do. None of us knows what Todd Palin did. He could well have brought up the adoption option. Here's the point - you don't know. And it's not your business.

90 "Hahahahaha I love the Religious Right"

And the troll outs himself!  Enjoy your stay -- and the beating you'll take.

91 Cam: "Hahahahaha I love the Religious Right. You..."

Well that's great and all, but who's this "You" that's so religious? My shadow? Surprise! It isn't religious either... at least in any manifestation you would assume.

92 This from a man who couldnt run a community program without losing all of the money and accomplishing absolutely nothing!!

93 Cam was better as fficial&client=firefox-a">brock, I don't know why he's being so contrarian on Palin.  Its not like she's going anywhere.  You run with the ticket you have, not the ticket you wish you had or would like to have, or something.

94

Cam? That whiffling sound you heard a few minutes ago? That was the sound of a point whizzing by your cluelessness.

...not that I make it a point to feed the trolls y'all.

95 Try again

Cam was better as fficial&client=firefox-a">brock

96 Somethings wrong with the linky thing

97 Nader/Kucinich '08  Hey, if running for president is your qualification.

98 Is this right, toby?

Brock

I don't know where the ___ tag came from.

99

David? Meet Humour. Humour, let me introduce you to David. He's a nice guy, but he's a wee bit serious: take some time getting  acquainted. I'm sure you'll like each other.

...

And dammit, I forgot to put this one in:

6. Obama makes you think of rainbows and unicorns. Palin sparks the Naughty Librarian vibe.

Advantage: Reality

100 Don't worry I'm not going to keep changing my names like some sort of asshat.  I haven't read what "brock" posted but it was probably rubbish.  Believe it or not, I am a registered Republican, and I supported GW in 2004 against Kerry.  The party left me, I did not leave the party.

Since when did the party of fiscal conservatism allow the President to rack up the largest increase to our national debt in history?

Since when did the party of small gov't allow the President to preside over the largest increase in the federal gov't in history?

Since when did the party of personal rights allow the President to begin destroying my personal freedoms?

Since when did every decision the GOP makes have to be vetted by a chorus of pastors from the bigoted religious right?

I believe that there are larger issues at stake in this country besides gun control, abortion and gay marriage.  And pandering to pro-life voters, and possibly women in general, is all the Palin pick accomplished.  You all know that Pawlenty, Romney, Lieberman or Ridge were all IMMENSELY more qualified to take over the Presidency. 

McCain couldn't pick Lieberman or Ridge because of abortion, and didn't pick Romney or Pawlenty because he needed more "buzz."  Abortion and "buzz" as two main criteria for selecting the potential President.  Now that's putting country first.

101 I haven't read what "brock" posted but it was probably rubbish.

No, it was orthodox.  If that's not you, its the first duplicate hash I've seen.

102 You all know that Pawlenty, Romney, Lieberman or Ridge were all IMMENSELY more qualified to take over the Presidency.

Maybe .. probably.. who knows?, if they could get elected in this cycle.  I have a good feeling, so far, about Palin.

103

In that case, Cam, you have moved yourself from the category of troll to Acolyte Token Liberal ...a step in the right direction (we get so few these days; though trolls have increased since the Palin announcement). With some continuity, you may be amenable to de-programming. Regardless, you will make an excellent foil.

...not that we hold out much hope for your eventual recovery. And you're off to a bad start, too.

 

104

Since when did the party of fiscal conservatism allow the President to rack up the largest increase to our national debt in history?

Since when did the party of small gov't allow the President to preside over the largest increase in the federal gov't in history?

I know!  Let's get someone on the ticket who has a habit of cutting away government excesses, like eliminating pork and selling wasteful pieces of equipment.  Fights corrupt politicians.  Willing to cut taxes.  And will even reduce their own salary.  If only we could find such a person

Since when did the party of personal rights allow the President to begin destroying my personal freedoms?

Which freedoms?  Be specific.  Provide links to demonstrate that these freedoms you once had are now gone.

105

If you voted GWB (who is more religious than McCain) over Kerry (who goes to a less rampant church than did Obama), why aren't you gung-ho about pushing McCain over Obama? The religiosity difference is far narrower this time around, giving the secular right an edge relative to 04.

I'm guessing the larger issues at stake this time around, for real Republicans, are health care, education, and the environment. And world peace!

You're right; I don't believe you.

106 Also, to the implication that Lieberman is on the same league as Pawlenty and Romney as a registered Republican pick - lulz

107 Buzzion, your choice for VP would be spot-on if Palin represented any of those things.  Her flip-flop on the bridge to nowhere really isn't the best example of coming out against pork-barrel spending.  Neither was Palin's hiring of a lobbyist to secure millions in pork-barrel spending for Wasilla.  I'm not saying they were bad choices, but don't try and pass off Palin as some sort of anti-pork crusader.

Rights that are being trampled?  Where to start.  Habeas Corpus mean much to you?  Guess not.  Right to a warrant before search and seizure?  Nah we don't need that.  The political independence of the judiciary and Attorney General's office?  Meh, fuck it! 

108 David Ross, you realize that Lieberman was McCain's first pick, right?  Too bad the religious right has the GOP by the nuts.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/31/america/31reconstruct.php

109 Believe it or not, I am a registered Republican, and I supported GW in 2004 against Kerry.

I'm going to go with "not."

110

 Her flip-flop on the bridge to nowhere really isn't the best example of coming out against pork-barrel spending.

Wasn't a flip-flop but nice of you to get your DNC talking points down.

Habeas Corpus mean much to you? 

Go cry to Lincoln.

Right to a warrant before search and seizure?

Sorry but prove that right exists.  The 4th amendment protects against unreasonable searches and siezures.  They can still do it without a warrant.  And since you're likely complaining about warrantless wiretaps, it should be pointed out that those have existed for a while, and were being done before.  They could be subjected to a warrant retroactively though.  Guess what, if a warrant comes afterwards it didn't come before.  Blowing your idiotic rant out of the water.

The political independence of the judiciary and Attorney General's office?

I think its funny you actually believe this really has ever existed.  And how is this your freedom being violated?

111 ...bad, bad start.

112

Another point: Cam says here that it has read Obama's policies and has approved them over McCain's. These would include a massive increase in internal "civilian corps" spending, and a tax cut which even someone who was a child in 1993 knows will be laughed out of Pelosi's Congress if he dares bring it up.

But yeah, Cam's a registered Republican. Who thinks the reason McCain didn't pick a Democrat as his veep was because of the "Religious Right", whom he didn't even know existed until 2005 or so.

Cam, please do not treat us like idiots.

113 Clearly, this is not the brock I've known.

114 Cam said: "The party left me, I did not leave the party."

Gee, where have I heard that before?

Look guys, it's another REAL conservative! OMG I'M BLINDED BY THE LIGHT OF TRUTH

115 As a lifetime Republican who once personally polished Goldwater's spectacles and voted Reagan in 1968, I attest that McCain and Palin go completely against the proud Republican traditions of mandatory public service, restrictions in nuclear power, surrender abroad and the Fairness Doctrine. Because of some stuff about gay marriage I can't quite explain, because my power glutes are extra itchy today, I have regrettably switched over to voting for that articulate sounding gentleman from the city of Chicago, famous for its zeal for reform and change.

116 And hope!

117 Can we label Keef and friends over at MSNBC Nazis for having Buchanan on the air?

118 apologies on my comment 117 - i meant to say Nazi sympathizers, not actual Nazis.  Or Illinois Nazis, for that matter.  I hate Illinois Nazis.

119 Some of your logic is puzzling, Cam.

Believe it or not, I am a registered Republican, and I supported GW in 2004 against Kerry.  The party left me, I did not leave the party.
So you've established your "bona fides," while at the same time invoking your victim status.  You have an axe to grind because you can't find a home.

Since when did the party of fiscal conservatism allow the President to rack up the largest increase to our national debt in history?
Assuming that your statement is true, you're advocating abandoning the Republican party that, irrespective of the platform, has a base that still advocates fiscal conservatism, and you do this to go where?  To the other party that does not even pretend to fiscal conservatism?  To a third party that, for all their idealogical expressions, cannot in the foreseeable future win a presidential election?  You give every impression of committing yourself to the greater of two evils because you feel marginalized.  Nice tantrum.

Since when did the party of small gov't allow the President to preside over the largest increase in the federal gov't in history?
The largest increase in what?  You need to be specific, Cam.  Government employees?  Spending?  I won't necessarily disagree with you factually (if you actually can define your "largest increase" with a modicum of specificity), but are you seriously saying that the party can forbid the president anything once he's elected?  That's a rather juvenile interpretation of how politics works.

Since when did the party of personal rights allow the President to begin destroying my personal freedoms?
Again, specifics.  Again, see the immediately preceding response.  As to your habeas assertion, yes, the President signed the Military Commissions Act of 2006.  The Act was, however, authored and passed by Congress.  It wasn't the unilateral action of which you complain, and it certainly can't be laid solely at the President's feet.  You obfuscate.

Since when did every decision the GOP makes have to be vetted by a chorus of pastors from the bigoted religious right?
You're being fatuous now.  This is just an absurd statement.  You know it.  We know it.  And it detracts from any sense of legitimacy that your complaints might otherwise carry.

Here's the point you've made so far:  You are a malcontent who wants to pee in everyone else's Cheerios because they don't make the same value judgments you do.

120

If running for President makes you qualified ot be President, doesn't that make John McCain (and Joe Biden for that matter) twice as qualified as Obama?

 

Just askin.

121 Same troll, different day.

*yawn*

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